Join Kim Munson and her guests as they discuss the interplay between local and federal governance. From the regulation changes in Denver to the broader consequences of home rule policies in various municipalities, this episode illuminates the unseen impacts of policy decisions on the taxpayer and the continuous tension between freedom and government-imposed constraints.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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It’s not altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods. with this whole radical transgender thing, or lives via force. And force can obviously be a weapon, but it can also be policy and unpredictable and excessive taxation and fear and coercion, government-induced inflation. The World Economic Forum’s agenda and the globalist elites, the United Nations, And you see this in policy. At the Colorado State Legislature, the Colorado governor, many municipalities, some of these counties, and they can use land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission lines easements, CO2 lines easements, and we’ve got to get this contracted. We need to get government back in place. and its proper role. The show comes to you because of our sponsors. It is Wednesday, and that means that it is Wings Day at Hooters Restaurant. 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And so your challenge, like mine, is to use that in a sentence today. Are… The quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. He was born in 1879, died in 1955. He was a German-born theoretical physicist who is best known for developing the theory of relativity. He also made important contributions to quantum mechanics, and he received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics for his services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect. And he said this, he said, we can’t solve today’s problems with the mentality that created them. And so we need to do some things differently. And that is Albert Einstein. Thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our personal climate. And this reliable energy is from natural gas and oil and coal. And that industry has been under attack. So what does that mean? What is under attack? It’s this abundant energy that we need every day so that we can go after our hopes and dreams. And so I really do thank Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. First headline, I thought this was super interesting. When I was on city council… We saw this movement of using tax dollars or grants to buy these bicycles and scooters that would be like community bicycles and community scooters. And I remember feeling uncomfortable with it. I was still learning what all of this meant. If somebody else is buying these scooters and bicycles, that means that somebody else has to pay for it. And who has to pay for it? Well, it’s the taxpayer. And I thought about it also. It’s like – and the mayor – no, it was one of the other city council members – always talked about community. They were pushing community, community, community. But community – While that is important to have your community, community from a public policy standpoint, it comes from the same word as communism. And I was thinking about it as so you have people that buy these scooters, others that buy these scooters and buy these scooters. bicycles, but who takes care of them? And so it’s a really good example of property rights, because if you don’t own it, people don’t take care of it. And I remember I would see bicycles just left on the sidewalk, scooters that were fallen over, just left different places. And I thought, this is not a great idea. But the purpose behind it was to get people out of their cars, to be able to be able to move around And not have to use your cars. Well, cars, we realize in talking with Lauren Fix with Car Coach Reports, is freedom of mobility. Now, certainly, if you want to ride around on a scooter, ride around on a bike, I loved a bike, but it doesn’t work for me forever. What I want to be productive. It’s more something for leisure. Then you should buy your scooter. You should buy your bike. You should take care of that. And so anyway, there was this big push for these scooters. Well, now, again, what we talked about it yesterday. What government giveth, government taketh away, with Jared Polis saying, hey, you municipalities and counties, if you don’t do what we say from a state level regarding housing, you’re not going to get any of this grant money. And so anyway, this is from, okay, let me get the source, KUSATV. It says, Denver City Council approves an ordinance to keep scooter riders off of sidewalks. And it was unanimous, and it says it would require new safety technology on e-scooters with the goal of keeping riders off sidewalks and ensuring scooters are parked in designated areas downtown. It says, our sidewalks were never designed for anything moving at 15 miles per hour, much less humans that were just on basically a skateboard with a stick, said council member Chris Hines, who championed the changes. Vendors like Lime and Bird will be required to equip scooters with technology that can detect where a person is riding. Huh. That’s interesting. Now, again, that seems like that’s a kind of a private thing. privacy issue but since you’re using something that is being provided by somebody else that opens up that whole problem says so basically we’re asking the vendors to put a bit more technology on each scooter so that they can know if someone is riding a scooter on the sidewalk or on the bike lane or in the street the ordinance lays out ways to deter sidewalk riding such as issuing audible warnings or even fines. In some areas like Union Station, the new rules will require scooters to be parked in designated zones. Riders won’t be able to end their trips until they return to designated zones. and Denver’s Transportation and Infrastructure Department, DOTI, D-O-T-I, is testing mandatory, there’s your another great force word, parking zones in three Denver neighborhoods, according to a spokesman. Riders who in trips in this area are instructed via the Lime and Bird apps that they can only do so at a parking corral and will be provided nearby corral locations. We’re going to require, there’s another one of those force words, the scooter vendor, to not allow people to end their ride until they go into basically a scooter corral. You guys, this is going to be really interesting to watch to see what happens on that. So just stay tuned. Next thing, we had a very spirited discussion yesterday regarding this home rule question that Douglas County voters will be having a special election. The ballots will go out early in June. The election is June 24th. We had Commissioner George Teal in studio who is for this. And we had David Iyer on the line yesterday. who is a citizen, very informed, very informed on water issues as well, who was against it. And I’m still trying to learn about this issue. I think one of my big concerns on this is the fast track. I think the decision was made in March to have this special election. And this is a pretty big deal. And it may be a good idea, but I’m always very uncomfortable with fast-tracking ideas, just kind of the pressure on this to make such a monumental decision. There’s only two other counties in the state that are home rule. And so we’re going to continue to kick the tires on this. But this is interesting. Many cities are home rule. And in fact, we’ll just mention on Lone Tree. Lone Tree was incorporated, oh gosh, 26, 27 years ago. And when I got on city council, there was already an ordinance that said that you could not carry your firearm into any of the public buildings. And that was not an issue I ever really brought up. However, I thought this is really an assault upon our Second Amendment. And so I think you have to be really careful on these home rule questions. But let’s see how this plays out. This is from Colorado Newsline. It says front range cities claiming home rule violations are suing Colorado over these housing policies. And this is that executive order that Polis signed on May 16th that pushes local governments to comply with certain state housing laws as a condition of receiving state grant funding. And that is another thing. Government is out of its lane. The people… Of Colorado, I think this was Prop 123, which was passed several years ago by the – I think this is – I need to research this – by the people of Colorado. And so it would give tax money to the state for – I have – But again, what the government giveth, the government taketh away. And so it says six cities in the Front Range filed this lawsuit. 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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And yesterday, we welcomed Jody Hinzey with… Mint Financial Strategies as a new sponsor of the show. And they just do an amazing job. They can help you have more confidence and freedom with your money. And they’re an independent firm with over 25 years of experience. And Jody is an accredited investment fiduciary. And she puts your best interests first always. So with a strategy first approach, Jody Henze, Mint Financial Strategies can help you build a plan that fits your life. You can call them at 303-285-3080. And Jody can help you at the very beginning as you’re working towards your financial freedom. Or if you’ve created a lot of assets, she can certainly help you with that as well. So that phone number is 303-285-3080. On the line with me is Wendy Warner, a fellow CUT Colorado Union of Taxpayers board member. In fact, she’s the secretary. Wendy Warner, welcome. Thank you very much. Good to have you. And we all had a little bit of a sigh of relief when the legislature was over this particular session because our team really gives up a good chunk of their weekend every weekend during the session to look at these bills. And you’ve been doing this for a while, Wendy Warner. Yes, I have. And it’s getting more and more frightening. Well, that it is. And let me just, I want to say thank you to our team. We’ve got a really amazing team, Wendy. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, you, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson. Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. And it’s really a group. We don’t always agree on everything, but we’re always striving to protect the taxpayer, school choice, property rights, and TABOR.
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Exactly. And what I’m hopeful that we will be doing now that the legislature is out for a little while is that we’ll be working a little bit more on local issues because I believe that while the news, the TV type news and most people focus on national state issues, they often don’t realize that the actions of local government or school boards have more impact on us, including financially. And so that’s certainly true here in Denver where I live.
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So let’s talk about Denver. Mike Johnston, Mayor Mike Johnston, first of all, the Trump administration has said that they’re not going to send some of the FEMA money to Denver because of the sanctuary city policies. And so Mayor Mike Johnston is using taxpayer money to sue the federal government.
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Exactly. Now, Mayor Johnson, through his open policy regarding illegal immigrants, has spent over $90 million on shelter services and other services for the 43,000 estimated illegal immigrants that have come through Denver under the Biden administration. And Biden had sort of indicated that FEMA was going to pay some of this money back, and in fact, he got $8 million, but he still wants another $24 million out of federal money. So he’s hired lawyers, and the city has agreed to pay up to $2 million for these D.C. lawyers out of our taxpayer money to sue the federal government to get taxpayer money so that people make sure why they’ll pay for his policies.
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Well, and Wendy, I think it’s important to understand that the federal government doesn’t, the only way it gets money is by taxing citizens or creating this unsustainable debt. And so Mayor Mike Johnston is looking to all of the neighbors, just like Gavin Newsom out in California, looking to all of the other states to help bail him out. And he needs to grow up and actually realize there are consequences to his bad decisions, Wendy.
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Absolutely. And either way, we, the taxpayers, get hit with it. We either get hit with it through our federal tax or for interest on the debt at the national level, or we get it by taxes here or reduced services, as we saw in Denver, where our services and things weren’t taken care of because he was spending money on this.
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so but he’s he doubles down so he last election cycle he had a sales tax increase proposal for again i have it for affordable housing it’s government housing government housing doesn’t work it’s antithetical to property rights and housing is unaffordable because of public policy in fact um the i think it was the national realtors association maybe it was the home builders association said that at least 25%, maybe even more, of the cost of a new build is because of rules and regulations. Just think, if you reduce those rules and regulations, you could reduce the cost of housing. We probably need some regulation, maybe. But say you reduce the cost by 20%. That’s how you make housing affordable, Wendy.
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Yes, exactly. And the other thing is on property tax. And they continue to look for ways to raise or to not reduce property taxes. And this new proposal for vibrant Denver bonds, which is nothing more than increasing the debt of the city, is another way that we’re going to pay as taxpayers. And I don’t think people understand the little game plan that’s going on here. Every time we have debt that is due to retire, in other words, we finally have paid it off and we should get a reduction in our property taxes. Instead, they put in new bonds, new debt, and then they say, oh, but your taxes aren’t going up because they’re using the old tax rate to pay for that. So instead of getting a tax decrease, which we should be getting… They’re they’re funding new things. And at this point, they’ve announced the new bonds, but they don’t know how much and they don’t know what they’re going to even spend it on. They just know they want more money.
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Wow. And this is another thing, Wendy, that we have learned at the Colorado Union of Taxpayers cut is when you see a question on the ballot that says without increasing taxes. it’s exactly what you’re talking about is taxes should go down and instead they want to extend it out and so if your taxes were going to go down but now they’re not that still is is kind of a tax increase yes it absolutely is and at a time where we’re still getting increased in appraisal value of property so we are getting tax increases um it’s
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you know we need that tax decrease and that would make housing more uh… affordable took us remember that property taxes figured into you know your cost of owning a house or renting out so we have a solution
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Reducing property taxes, reducing rules and regulations would help make housing more affordable where people could actually start to buy their own property if they wanted to instead of being stuck in government housing, right?
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Exactly, exactly. And I think that the mayor needs to be a lot more transparent on both these bond issues and how the money he has spent for illegal immigrants.
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I totally agree. Now, Wendy Cutt, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, in some ways you might think we’re all crazy because we pay our dues $25 a year, which is pretty cheap, or pretty, I wouldn’t say cheap. We’re not cheap. It’s inexpensive. It’s affordable. But it works out to about $2.08 a month. And for that, people can become very informed by receiving our emails that we send to the legislature, and we’re going to be ramping up what we do in this off-season as well. And so we would really appreciate people joining us. And again, I think CUT is a really good tool for people to have in their toolbox.
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In addition, we’ll be attempting to oppose and we’ll be spending money on opposing some of these local issues as well that are going to be costing taxpayers money.
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Oh, and that brings up one other thing, our cut engaged. We invested in this and a lot of people used it. We started it maybe halfway through the legislative session where we selected certain bills where people could very easily send an email we provided the email to the prime sponsors on the bill they could also add in their senator or their representative and Ben Williams with Ben’s plumbing heating and cooling used it we would normally post for in a week he said he was able to make his voice heard to the legislature in one minute and 51 seconds that’s pretty that’s pretty fast
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we provide that for anybody to use. So please support CUT by joining.
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Well, and Wendy, I thank you for all of your hard work as the secretary. I think being the secretary of any organization requires a lot and you do a really good job. And I really appreciate you.
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Well, thank you very much. And we appreciate you, Kim, and for giving us a shout-out on your show and the chance to tell people more about things like what Mayor Johnston’s doing.
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Well, we’re going to keep on it, Wendy Warner, so thank you so much. Yes, thank you, and have a good day. You too. And we get to inform you and help you get your brain around these issues because of our sponsors. And so for anything residential real estate, you want Karen Levine on your side of the table.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And on the line with me is someone that searches for truth. And he and I got to know each other during COVID. And that is Dr. James Lyons Weiler. He is the founder of IPAC. That’s the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. So IPAC-EDU and really an expert on what’s happening over in the health field. Dr. Jack, it’s so good to have you.
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Thank you, Kim. You’re an expert in freedom and individual rights. And, you know, you’re making sense out of this world. You’re doing a great job over there. I’m happy to be part of this.
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Well, thank you. It’s a full-time job, Dr. Jack, that’s for sure. So let’s talk about, first, before we get to our featured subject, IPAC-EDU. You founded IPAC-EDU during COVID, and it’s really a unique educational model that brings… really world-renowned instructors, two everyday people who are curious, that want to know about our world. So tell us what’s going on over at IPAC-EDU.
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Well, we have people signing up for courses every semester, January, June, and September. This summer, we have a slate of courses that people would love to sign up for. You know, listen, the idea is And this is a really kind of neat alignment. Our generation was trained to learn in a very structured way. And after we graduate from high school, maybe get some college, and we’re out in the world, and then we figure, okay, we’ve emerged from the poliwog state, now we’re frogs, we’re going to hop around with all the other frogs. But our minds still retain the ability to learn in a structured manner. And that’s something that’s rare in people’s lives. In 2020, I realized there were shut-ins due to COVID. There were shut-ins due to autism. There were shut-ins due to chronic illness. And, you know, many times it’s such a drag in life. And so we seek entertainment on television or Netflix. But that’s not enriching. And more importantly, it’s not empowering. What I decided to do was to pull together instructors and courses that could help people make sense out of their world. Give them vocabularies they don’t have. Give them understandings of the functions of society and how things work together. Give them an understanding of biology and science, why Fauci was saying the things that he was saying, and how they couldn’t possibly be true. And so they could no longer be, you know, frustrated by, I don’t know what to believe. Because knowing things about the world is not necessarily always about belief. It’s about, does it actually make logical sense? which is different than belief. If you understand it, then understanding helps you emerge from just relying on your gut instinct and that kind of thing. Now, that’s important, but you’re using our intellect. Well, there’s a huge amount of intellect in our general population that is under leveraged and we should have an educated electorate, right? So that they can make sense out of the baloney coming out of the mouths of politicians or policy makers. And so, yeah, this has been a very richly rewarding experience for myself and about 30 instructors came to answer the call and 4,000 something participants in courses and webinars. It’s been great.
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Well, and the other thing is it is interactive. So it’s not just sitting in front of your computer having people lecture you. It is also interactive with the instructor. So it’s a really unique opportunity, and people can get more information by going to IPAC. That’s ipak-edu.org. So, Dr. Jack, let’s get over here to your very good friends with RFK Jr., who is our Health and Human Services Secretary. And people are – the Trump administration has been moving very quickly on a lot of different issues. But this mRNA – authorization, which would be, for example, for COVID, right? People are wondering why that’s not been revoked yet. So what’s going on?
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Yeah, so in my Substack, popularrationalism.substack.com, I wrote this article in response to the public’s frustration. What has to happen before mRNA vaccines are pulled and why RFK Jr. hasn’t and why he might soon? And I really wanted to go into the legal and regulatory options and the requirement points for Pathway to what many see as freedom. You know, just because a product’s on the market doesn’t mean that it has to be there. There are past vaccines that were pulled. You know, there are vaccines that didn’t make it through the research gamut. And really, Bobby, I would say I’m a close personal and professional person. I’m a friend of Bobby, but I’m a close personal and professional advisor to the secretary as well. So when I say that I understand what he would have to go through and what has to be done, I’m speaking from my understanding as someone who’s expert in translational research. I understand regulatory compliance. I understand what the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research and what their role is. So literally, Bobby really couldn’t move until Peter Marks was dismissed. And so we now have Dr. Vinay Prasad in the position over a key center, the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. And what Dr. Prasad has done, along with Macri, the director of… FDA, what they’ve done is raised the bar. And that’s one of the things that has to happen. Since Mark’s had such a low bar for approval of COVID-19 vaccines, emergency use authorization, even though there’s no emergency, don’t pay attention to any of the safety signals, allow the pharmaceutical companies to cheat when they were trying to calculate efficacy and effectiveness. All of the factors that I railed against on podcasts and I railed against and brought forward really in articles on my sub stack and publishing elsewhere, all of the cheating that was done to fool the public, regulators and our elected representatives that the emergency youth authorization was warranted for the COVID-19 vaccines. That’s a big stinking onion that has to be unwrapped one layer at a time. First of all, Bobby doesn’t have the legal authority to just sign something and say, OK, the vaccine is gone. The vaccines are gone. He can refuse to do two things that could be impactful. One is to take away the emergency use authorization clause. protection of liability, he can’t undo the EUA unilaterally. But the liability protection from lawsuits he can do. And then he could also refuse to renew the contracts and just let the contracts expire. And this is an important fact. The fact is, if he were to use his powers to do those things unilaterally, not backed by science, not backed by studies, not backed by other regulators who could sit right next to him when he’s called up to the help committee or when he’s called to task by the Senate, why did you act this way? He has experts who actually now can testify alongside him and explain in detail in terms that the senators can understand that this entire stack of cards for Pfizer’s Comirnaty and Moderna Spike Vaxx, absolutely needs to be taken down. And it needs to be taken down because it’s actually a threat to public health. So just this morning, yesterday I published a massive article on why it’s important to have randomized clinical trials that use placebos. And while I was writing that article, an FDA announcement came out. It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. and so i actually included parts of that article and what how what they said was this is a mackery and prasad what the fda is now saying that you would never hear peter mark say you would never hear anyone in the fda certainly fauci you would never hear the president united states say from this point forward we’re going to expect anyone that comes to fda with a covet 19 vaccine to have placebo-controlled, inert placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trials with long-term outcomes. I can’t tell you how many times Robert Kennedy Jr., myself, and hundreds of others on a circuit all across the United States, on podcasts, on articles, said those words exactly. We’ve told them to regulators. We’ve told them to presidents. We’ve told them to senators. We have to see the data. you can’t have a position on vaccine safety until you see the data that allows you to stand on your position on vaccine safety. So the long-term outcomes are key. The inert placebo means saline, where, you know, Francis Collins and Fauci actually said in a news outlet, you know what, these vaccines are so helpful before we knew anything about their first in humans they said what we want to do is what we really should owe it to the people who are part of these clinical trials after the clinical trial is over immediately vaccinate them. And what they did by doing that is they destroyed the long-term data. Sure. Oh, of course. They destroyed the control group. So, yes, it’s complex. Yes, it begs patience. But it’s not as though Bobby is sliding into some regulatory capture. It’s not as though he’s influenced. It’s not as though they’ve got him over a barrel. He’s going through exactly… precisely the types of things that he’s putting the vaccines through their cases now here’s some another another take on this i had a doctor called very close friend doctor friend called me last night basically what the heck is the fda doing how can they do this is they say they’re going to prove it for um for infants and they’re going to prove it for this and improving for that and i said well wait a minute we don’t want to misconstrue these things They’re not just saying that if these companies show that the vaccines cause antibodies, that they’re going to be approved. They have to show that they produce antibodies, but also you have to show the safety data. And that’s revolutionary, that we kind of like are in this immediate reaction mode when it comes to anything announced by the FDA, right? no it’s not just immunogenicity that’s enough and we’ll assume safety because other vaccines are on the market and we have to let these other companies play ball too they have to show the safety so they’re they’re they’re saying that they anticipate that they’re going to be able to make a regulatory decision when they’re confronted with the data of immunogenicity that is the ability to produce antibodies and safety another thing is that they’re not going to allow all infants to be vaccinated. That’s a misread of their article that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. It was an opinion article. The infants have to be considered high risk, and infants are not high risk for COVID. So they really have to have severe immunodeficiency, congenital heart disease, complex chronic conditions. Probably the last, you know, the medically frail, probably the last population that we would want to see These are the people that were excluded from clinical trials.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Memorial Day is right around the corner. And I really encourage all of us to stop and reflect upon the sacrifice that so many Americans have given their lives for our liberty. And so even though there’s all kinds of things going on on Memorial Day weekend, We have, I think, a duty to stop and reflect. Two things to bring to your attention is the USMC Memorial Foundation will be having an event out at the memorial at 2 o’clock on Memorial Day. And more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And then the Center for American Values located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. We’ll be having an event, an On Values presentation on the 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And you’ll want to check that out as well. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. I’m talking with Dr. James Lyons-Weiler regarding being impatient, regarding revoking the authorization, emergency authorization for the mRNA vaccine. And… Dr. Jack, as we’re talking about these studies, for example, babies, I think there’s no business in giving the COVID vaccine to babies whatsoever. So if there’s doing data, that means that some babies would get it and some wouldn’t. And granted, from a 30,000-foot view, okay, we’re doing the data, but that baby is somebody’s baby. And I know of three… Oh, I agree, Kim.
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I know of…
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Well, and I know of three young men personally that were in their 30s that just fell over, just fell over from a heart attack or something from their heart. And so I don’t know for sure if it was the jab, but it’s very suspect. So I really don’t want any babies being in any kind of study on this. So go ahead.
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Yeah, so that’s an excellent point. And so check this out, right? So put yourself, and this is what’s very difficult for people to do in politically charged situations. First of all, this is no longer a politically charged situation. People don’t recognize that. But in a politically charged situation, if you put yourself in the position and see the worldview from your opponents, you can see what they can do, what they can’t do. What vaccine manufacturer, including Pfizer and Moderna, are actually going to test their product on medically frail infants? None of them. The trials won’t happen. What the FDA has said was, okay, we’re going to restrict the population that we’re likely to approve this future vaccines for, including any renewals. And here’s the restricted groups that we We will likely approve your products for, but now you have to show us that it’s effective and safe in those groups. It’s a restricted market, very restricted. They’re not expecting it to be approved for everybody. Two, take a look at the data. Well, what vaccine manufacturer can turn to their investors and say we’re going to publish really awful negative data on children and elderly that are medically frail that we’re killing and hurting with these vaccines? So they will abandon the project. And that is the purpose of regulation. Regulation is not to rubber stamp, and it’s also not to thwart. People don’t understand the subtle, nuanced nature of a federal regulatory process when it’s working right. I think Prasad has it right. I think Macri has it right. I know Kennedy has it right. And I’m not saying that, yes, there are going to be some infants that are injected and hurt, and that’s okay. That’s happening right now without sufficient regulation. Anybody can take their seven-month-old infant right now and get the injection. So the reality is if you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, oh, yeah, we want to put a stop in the dam is broken. We want to put a stop in the human pain and suffering, the morbidity and mortality that’s happening. How can we do it in a way that is, number one, ethical? Well, it’s more ethical to actually do it than to do nothing, right? We’ve complained for years that FDA did nothing. Two, it’s unlikely that anybody going forward is going to be hurt because the vaccine manufacturers are not likely to come to the dance party. They’re not going to want to have their dance card punched because their product is going to look really awful. So it doesn’t bypass the formal FDA regulatory process either. Some of someone in MedPage Today, a woman who’s a very, very pro-vax doctor, Kathleen Edwards, said, what are they doing making this announcement in the New England Journal of Medicine instead of relying, going through the Federal Register or going to the VRBAC meetings, these committees that approve and don’t make recommendations on vaccines? Really, what they’re saying is, maybe through 50 to 64 year old population that there’s a there’s an argument that could be made here based on the data but you have to show us randomized clinical trials with saline placebos and healthy individuals and that’s our position so now they know what they’re up against do you see what i’m saying they’re not making a recommendation for i’m making a recommendation against okay it’s really interesting to me that the same people that are criticizing them they did they really didn’t they really didn’t mind it when You know, the CDC acted unilaterally in the past against ACIP’s recommendations, against FDA arguing that there’s a myocarditis risk. These same people said, oh, no, that’s good because in the name of public health, we have to ignore that. So, you know, the CDC, how many times did Fauci make national news stating policy? on CBS News, ABC News, right? They didn’t complain when he did that. Right, right. So, you know, it’s really, it’s very difficult to at first blush understand why this nuanced approach is correct and ethical. But in the end, it really is.
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Okay. Now we’ve got three minutes left. And I’m going to ask you a huge question. And that is, there are those that say that really are very critical of Trump. They said that he continues to he pushed the vaccine through COVID. He had he very proud of warp speed or whatever that was called. and that he continues to really support the vaccine. And what would you say to that? And I’m sorry to throw this out and only now have two minutes, but your cliff notes on that.
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It’s quite all right. Listen, now you’ve asked me to go into a realm that I’m not a close personal friend or advisor to President Trump. I don’t like reading other people’s minds. But what I can tell you is, if you look at what people do, and not pay attention to what they say. We owe it to President Trump gratitude that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the director of HHS. He didn’t allow Peter Marks to sit there. He didn’t go into the office and deal with all the other political things and all the other national issues and just twiddle the sums on vaccines. This president has done more for vaccine safety than any other president in the past And he agrees, I presume, because of the way that Bobby has freedom to go and demand the data, that he wants to see the data too. He really wants to know. Before, he was relying on his experts, and his experts were lying to him. So whether you’re for President Trump or against President Trump, or you no longer trust him, or wherever you are, again, time will tell. They’re sousing out the liars, the cheats, the steals. I think that there’s going to be some prosecutions. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s, I think, referrals to the Attorney General’s offices are happening right now. The OIG, the Office of Inspector General, they want to know. Senator Ron Johnson is doing a workshop right now. They want to know who made the decisions, what connections did they have to the pharmaceutical companies, what rules did they make and what laws did they break. So turn the page to the next chapter and let’s see what happens next time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Dr. Jack, absolutely fascinating. And again, check out ipac-edu.org. If you have intellectual curiosity, that is the place for you. I so appreciate all the amazing work that you do, Dr. Jack, and we’ll talk again very soon.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thanks, Kim. I appreciate your work, too. Be well, everyone.
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Happy Wednesday, Kim. Great stuff with Dr. Jack, huh? Absolutely. He’s always got great information.
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Our word of the day, I did actually, I said to Joe, I look at these words and in my mind I think, oh, I know how to pronounce that. And then I get on the air and it’s like, wait a minute, I hadn’t really checked that out. And I know Richard, I had said to Richard, the limo guy, was concerned that he would drive off the side of the road sometimes with my pronunciations, but he assures me that that has not happened. So I did check out how to actually pronounce our word of the day, and it’s appurtenance. And that is spelled A-P-P-U-R-T-E-N-A-N-C-E. And it could be, number one, accessory objects, as the example is the appurtenances of wealth. It could be, number two, in law and incidental rights, such as a right-of-way attached to a principal property. property right and passing in possession with it or a subordinate part. And so your challenge is to use that in a sentence. It’s A-P-P-U-R-T-E-N-A-N-C-E. It’s a pertinence. Our quote of the day is from Albert Einstein. And he was born in 1879. He died in 1955. He was a German-born theoretical physicist, best known for developing the theory of relativity. He says, we can’t solve today’s problems with the mentality that created them. And he is absolutely correct. I did want to mention a couple of our sponsors. And that is, first of all, Laramie Energy. They’ve been a gold sponsor of the show for many years. And we continue to shed light on the need for reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy. from oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And then also really excited to have Jody Hinzey, who is the owner of Mint Financial Strategies as a new partner. And she was on yesterday. And we actually recorded our show for Memorial Day. And her father actually gave his life to when she was 14 years old for our country. So it’s a really, really important story, but really excited to have her. 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And it says it’s going to narrow its approval for updated COVID vaccines to older adults and people with at least one health condition that puts them at high risk for severe disease. And I think that that is a great headline. This is something that I find of real concern. And that is we have seen in South Africa that white South Africans have been targeted. And so Trump has been welcoming some of these white refugees to the United States. And So this is from the Western Journal. It says, And it says the Episcopal Church rejected the Trump administration’s request for assistance, saying it would not help the 59 South African refugees that arrived in the U.S. on Monday. This was last week. The church’s presiding bishop, Sean Rowe, took it a step further and said the Episcopal Migration Ministries would be terminating its 40-year partnership with the U.S. government, according to a statement from the church administration. that was published just recently. It says, in light of our church’s steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church of Southern Africa, we are not able to take this step, Roe’s statement read. Accordingly, we have determined that by the end of the federal fiscal year, we will conclude our refugee resettlement grant agreements with the US federal government. In January, President Donald Trump signed an executive order largely suspending the U.S. refugee admissions program, a program the church participated in, and Trump did this to control the immigration crisis created by the Biden administration. It says, then just over two weeks ago, the federal government informed Episcopal Migration Ministries that under the terms of the federal grant, they expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa, whom the U.S. government has classified as refugees. So in February, Trump signed another EO, executive order, granting some Afrikaners refugee status in the U.S. And so this is super interesting. And this means these grant programs have been going on for 40 years. And it used to be, and Action Anne had reached out to me regarding the conversation that I’d had with Helen Raleigh about her new book, about when the Chinese had come to America back in the 60s. And the whole immigration status was something different there. There was not grant programs to provide assistance for people that were coming to America. They typically had to have a sponsor, and that sponsor would be an individual. And they had to basically they were not going to come over here and be reliant upon the government. And you can see when government gets out of its lane, it was never the government’s proper role to use taxpayers money. for these refugee programs. And once the government got involved in this business, it became a business. And we saw many of the heads of these non-governmental organizations making huge salaries and bringing people to America and getting them onto government assistance and not tracking. And I know this for sure because I was on the board of Lutheran Family Services. And it was a journey. It was in the 90s. And I was starting to ask questions. And it really was a journey because initially I thought it was a charity, a charity that was helping people with unplanned pregnancies. our elderly in our neighborhoods, and then also refugees. I’m thinking people that were refugees, Christian refugees, to come to our country. But once the government got into the business of offering these grants, then I realized, I was connecting the dots. I was on the board for six years. And when I realized that a substantial portion of the budget was government money coming in for the refugee resettlement programs, that’s when I would say that’s when I was starting to connect the dots. And I went through a… kind of an angry period as I was figuring all of this out. And so we’ve fast forwarded to where we are today. We can see that those programs then ballooned to a point where the money was used to bring people into our country, I think ultimately to probably affect elections. And also it allowed people that want to hurt us into the country and then The massive amount of money that’s gone to support these people that have come here illegally, and that money has been taken via force from individuals. Now, charity. Let’s lower taxes, where everybody has more money in their pocket, and Americans are very… charitable and we want to help our fellow man but when you get government involved then that money is taken via force from individuals and it’s doled out and government picks winners and losers if we give to charities ourselves and we say we see a charity that is actually that is down at the border or down at the Darien Gap organizing people to come here illegally and then using government assistance to do so, will say, well, we don’t want to give any money to that charity. And so that charity will, in a free market, go out of business. So anyway, I find this really interesting that they will not help all people. They will only help people of a certain color. And I think that this, again, is the veil coming off of what has happened with a number of these mainline organizations churches as well. We have these important discussions because we have amazing sponsors. 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Salute the ones who died.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Wednesday, and that means we have Trent Luce on the line. He’s a sixth-generation pastor. farmer and rancher, shedding light on the issues that are facing the people that feed and fuel us. Trent Luce, welcome.
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Thanks, Kim.
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So what’d you do this last week?
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Gave thanks to God for rain.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, good.
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Good. We had, you know, in your old stomping grounds, there was some horrific accidents and tornadoes in Grinnell, Kansas.
SPEAKER 12 :
I know.
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Yeah.
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25 people that I know of that a last report lost their life this past weekend with storms. We had some storms, didn’t have a tornado, didn’t have any damage. We got 2.2 inches of rain and anytime you’re talking to somebody in farming or ranching, you have to talk about the weather first because if you don’t have adequate rainfall, everything else is a challenge. So we got that a little boost here in May.
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Oh, I’ve got a funny story for you, Vin. As you know, I come from a long line of farmers. And we used to play Family Feud. Do you remember that TV show? I do. Okay. And so we were playing Family Feud with my nephews. And the question was to my little nephew, he was just a little kid, what is something romantic that a couple does? And his answer was, watch the Weather Channel.
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Perfect.
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That was not one of the answers, but we certainly got a great laugh out of that. So with that, rain is certainly a blessing. But, yeah, I talked to my brother, and he said that Grinnell, Kansas, he said he thinks that it was a direct hit from a tornado.
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Yeah, that was terrible. The other thing that we did that was a celebration is our middle daughter graduated from college on Saturday. So we had a fantastic day celebrating her honors. She graduated with honors. What’s the word I’m looking for? Scholastic honors.
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Awesome. And well, congratulations. That’s a big deal. And so another one is, is that, that’s your middle daughter. So she is flying the coop, huh?
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She’s flying the coop. I think she flew the coop a while back.
SPEAKER 16 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m going to be in nursing, and I’ll stay close to home, so that’s good.
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Okay. Congratulations. So let’s do some updates. Last week, we talked about the Maud family, which is some farmers in South Dakota that after so many years, was it the Forest Service said that they were farming land that was Forest Service land. This was under the Biden administration and they were facing jail time and significant fines. And the Trump administration stepped in. And what was the exact action that happened on that?
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They dropped criminal charges. They dismissed all criminal charges. They’re still not told that there won’t be civil charges. The Department of Justice is not indicating whether they’re going to pursue criminal civil charges or not, but all criminal charges were dropped.
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Okay, so that’s a step in the right direction. Correct, absolutely. And what about your friend in Nevada? Has there been any movement on that? And bring us up to speed on that.
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He’s always got movement. As a result of the mod situation, Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins said that if you know, they created a portal, and if you know of any federal overreach, we want to know about it. And so Hank Vogler, who manages, she owns sheep and cattle in White Pine County, Nevada. He runs on federal land. He went and laid out how the Department of Labor has targeted him and came to him with a $42,000 fine because his bunk beds are five inches too close to the floor. Literally. I know everybody’s saying there’s got to be more. There’s no more. That was it.
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I know. That’s what I keep thinking. There’s got to be more.
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And so he went, I told him about the portal. He went on the portal and filled it all out and listed how the Department of Labor has really targeted him. He got a letter from Kristi Noem letting him know that from the Department of Homeland Security. letting him know that now, because he has foreign-born workers who are legal H-2A workers, Homeland Security will also be monitoring his activities, and he could be subject to an on-ranch visit at any time. So now he’s got five government agencies that have reached out to him. The week after he filled out the portal letting them know that he had been treated – with a horrible federal overreach. He got a letter from the USDA stating that he hauled sheep to California and may be in violation of permitting laws and getting animals into California and threatened him with a $300,000 fine. That was four days, three days after he filled out the portal for USDA. The next week he was notified that that a pasture that he has had allotment, it’s not just a pasture, it’s an allotment that’s part of his rights, that he has vested rights on grazing land, that he had to have his cattle off of that land by June 1st, which gave him 16 days to do that. 27 years he’s been running on that allotment, and all of a sudden last week they decide they’re going to kick him off. And then this week, the newest development is the Department of Labor came back to him and offered to put him on probation instead of removing his H-2A workers for three years, allow him to keep his H-2A workers, cut his fine in half, if he would verify that each one of these 20 H-2A workers he had a video chat with on a daily basis to make sure that they are in good condition. That may seem like something reasonable, except these H-2A workers are living in sheep camp. They’re living in the mountains with the sheep during the summer. There’s no internet where these people are. And he says, what do you want them to do, to go spend a half a day finding a place where there’s internet and I can do a video chat with them? Meanwhile, the reason they’re out there is to protect the sheep from the predators? I mean, there’s nothing about this that’s functional.
SPEAKER 16 :
So I’ve been thinking a lot about this this week because I’ve thought a lot about our conversation last week as well. I’m the same way. It’s like it seems like there must be something more. And it just seems how did they all get so crossways with the administration? I just don’t understand it, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, this is not an uncommon occurrence. I mean, we talked about the mods, and we can walk through people. And what normal people do is they just cave. They just cave and say, oh, I’m not going to fight it. Well, they found the wrong guy to come after because he will never cave. He will die before he caves. And he has a daughter. that’s there side by side with him and she has the same fortitude that Hank does. And Hank has long told me that he is a canary in the coal mine because they go to the federal lands rancher first and whatever they think they can get away with, they perfect it so that they then can come to the deeded rancher, the people who we think we own our property and yet we pay a lease every month in the name of property tax to continue to tell people we own it.
SPEAKER 16 :
So that’s another thing that you and I both really want to work on is that these property taxes, we want to get to a point where we’re not paying property taxes. So several things. We need to cut spending at the local, county, state, and federal level. And I love this. Jenny had texted me. She said, all these politicians need to break their OPM addiction. other people’s money. So we need to reduce spending. You know, I’m going to leave this as a cliffhanger, Trent Luce. I think most people feel that government has some proper role, and that does take money. So I’m going to leave this as a cliffhanger. How do you think that government should raise get revenue so somehow taxes it’s always going to be taxes or they rename it fees so I’m going to ask you what you think about how should government work I think and so we’ll we’ll unpack that when we come back And a very, very important one of our rights is the Second Amendment. And the Second Amendment is there to protect the First Amendment, our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, all of those things. And I’m so pleased to have the Second Syndicate as a sponsor of the show.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Memorial Day is right around the corner. And the Center for American Values in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk will have an On Values presentation on Wednesday the 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And Memorial Day is a time to stop and reflect about those that have given the ultimate sacrifice for our liberty. And what is liberty? It’s the responsible exercise of freedom. We have online with us Trent Luce, sixth-generation farmer and rancher. He’s for… well over 20 years. He’s been shedding light on these issues that the people that feed and fuel us face, and that’s basically rural Colorado, rural America. We were talking about a friend of his in Nevada, and Yvonne wanted to comment on something. Yvonne, and she is the co-founder of Perspectives 101, which she’s going to have an event tomorrow night. Yvonne, welcome. What was your comment? Thank you, thank you.
SPEAKER 17 :
And yes, you are going to be there tomorrow. But anyway, aside from that, I wanted to ask, so if you can hold off on that one question you asked him. I had a question. You mentioned earlier in your show today this thing with the South African refugees. And that really bothers me when people are against that. And I wanted to see what Trent had to say about this. Because As you know, my background is in, um, animal science, et cetera. And while I didn’t work a whole full career in that because I got derailed by a commission, but anyway, um, commission meaning my military commission. And, um, But I have returned to that through helping through interpretation. And besides the fact that I personally know people who have come here from South Africa fleeing from that situation, I would run into people who were from South Africa, you know, farming, who had been brought to some of the American ranches, probably through a special visa. And I talked to one guy, and I said… It’s really pretty bad over there, isn’t it? And he goes, oh, you don’t know the half of it. And he rolled up his sleeves and he showed me the burn marks where they’d come in the night and poured boiling water on them and all that other kind of stuff. So, you know, I’m so sick of hearing this kind of stuff where, you know, where they’re playing skin color games. If we hauled some black person out in the middle of the night and did bad things to him and stuff like that, like stuff happened, many, many, many, many. decades ago. That’s just as bad as what’s being done now. So I want to see what Trent has seen, because he moves a lot in that farming and ranching situation. And I know some people from South Africa come from that and go to that here in the States.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, good question. And Trent, I had talked about a news article that the Episcopal Church that has had a The contract with the federal government for 40 years for refugee resettlement is the Trump administration had asked them to help with the resettlement of some of the Afrikaners, white Afrikaners that recently came to America as refugees. And they said no. So that’s that’s the context of all this, Trent.
SPEAKER 09 :
So I find this to be fascinating, actually. And Yvonne is absolutely right. This directly ties into what we were talking about with Hank Vogler, because those workers that are coming from South Africa are H2A workers. And I have many friends. I’ve got a friend at North Platte that has 12 from South Africa that come and work on his feed yard. But what’s perplexing to me is that this has been taking place since Nelson Mandela. got out of prison and became a leader in Africa, South Africa. And if you go look, it’s very well documented. Starting in 1987, they started killing and stealing land from not only whites, but anybody who had land, mostly white individuals in South Africa. I personally, guys, know 12 people who left South Africa because the wives, the husband and wives and One family was dairying in South Africa. They moved to Kentucky, and they started a dairy. And I was sitting with Jeff and his wife, and she looked me in the eye, and she said, we had to get out of there. I was tired of sleeping with a shotgun every night. This was in 1987. You can find the data. Nearly 5,000 men and women have been killed on their own property since 1987. They’ve been fleeing that country since 1987. I got another friend, Ramona Morrison in Reno. who called me after they went on an African safari tour. And she said, Trent, I noticed something. Every one of these safari stops that we went to, they’re talking about the elephants and the animals are just out here in the African safari. She said there was a foundation of an old house and a farmstead that I could see there. Well, the safari is the land that they have taken back from individuals who owned it and rewilded South Africa. Does this sound familiar? This is exactly what we’re trying to do here, remove land from individual ownership. And to Yvonne’s other point, if you really talk to these people, and I’ve got friends that I can call today, their parents are still there, and they just live in fear every day, and they’re afraid of what they’re going to hear back from home. But the ones that got killed were the lucky ones. It is some of the most heinous, and I don’t doubt those scars at all, because what I’m hearing is that they come in and they don’t just kill you. They literally torture you and torture your family in front of you. And what has taken place is inhumane and the worst scenario of man treating man that I’m aware of. And it’s been happening since 1987.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, wow. And so the fact that the Episcopal Church will not help because of skin color. And I, you know what, I read, didn’t James Mishner do a book? That’s back when I used to read long books. I thought on South Africa, but now I’m not sure. But so it’s a long history of really a colonization. And But what we’re seeing here is really, I think, racism and mob mentality. It’s not about really building something. And I’d read an article that with the farmers leaving, having their land taken away, and leaving that, in essence, it’s going to create food shortages. They’ve employed people on these farms. Those people are not going to have jobs. These mobs that are trying to take the land, they don’t know how to farm, and that’s not really why they want to take the land, right, Trent?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, 100%. They want to control the land and get rid of the white people. But, you know, the key phrase that they’ve used through this whole time is kill the boar. And I have a picture that was taken in Bismarck, North Dakota, when the BLM, not the Bureau of Land Management, the BLM was storming and protesting in Bismarck, North Dakota in 2021. And there was a sign, I have a picture of it, that says, kill the boar. And the boar are the white people of South Africa.
SPEAKER 16 :
Wow. Any other comments, Yvonne? No, that is it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Thank you so much for addressing it. Thanks, bye.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. And so to look at people because of the color of their skin and make your decisions about that is racist. But it’s based on putting people into groups, Trent, it’s communistic. Because if you start to put people into groups… and then so group hatred, then people will do terrible things to people within that group because of that definition. That’s where we are in America by putting people into – different groups, instead of recognizing, as in the Declaration of Independence, that each individual is created by God with these rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And granted, Trent, we don’t always live up to these high ideals in our lives because we are humans. But that doesn’t mean that we throw that ideal out. That is the ideal that we continue to work towards on a My friends, you see people putting people into groups. That’s the time to step in in this battle of ideas, this ideological battle, and engage in conversation about the danger of putting people in groups, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know how it’s directly related, but it’s fascinating, and so I’m going to share it. I’m looking out my window right now, and I see mostly black cows. We have some Scimital influence. We have a lot of Limousine influence, some black Angus influence. We have purebred Hereford cows. We have purebred Piedmontese cows. We do have some purebred Limousine cows. And if you see these cows laying, just enjoying the day, sunning, or getting ready for a storm when they’re laying, invariably the breeds lay together. the Herefords are in one area, the limousine are in one area. And there was a point in time when we had five different breeds of pigs, spotted pigs, Poland pigs, spot pigs, Yorkshire pigs, Berkshire pigs, Hampshire pigs, Hereford pigs. And those breeds lie together. They always do that. And I maybe thought it was just my environment or whatever caused that. And I had somebody here this week We were looking at cows and talking about things, and they said, have you noticed the breeds lie together? It’s like maybe this is not just a people thing. Even the animals put themselves into groups, and I don’t know how that portrays over to what we’re talking about. It’s certainly not a justification, but it’s just inherently nature, I guess.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that is interesting. But the great thing, though, about America is America is the great melting pot. So certainly we see. So Chinese Chinatown in New York or in San Francisco. Certainly we see people from different cultures. They’re used, you know, different Germantown, variety of different things. But yet the other thing about it, though, is is. That we would come together, though, and we would unite around these this vision of America to become American. And so certainly we would have groups, cultural, you know, neighborhoods or whatever united. But what was unique is the fact that we became united around this idea that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So if you have that ideal, you can’t have slavery. If you have that ideal, you cannot go out and torture people. And property rights are inherent within the American idea as well that where people could own property and they could work and keep most of the fruits of their labor. If people can’t own property and if most of the fruits of their labor are taken by someone else for some other purpose, that is a form of slavery. Trent Luce, your comment on that. We’ll go to break and then we’ll be back.
SPEAKER 09 :
I really got nothing to add to that because it’s spot on. And I know we referenced him quite a bit. I’m very mixed on what my view of Theodore Roosevelt, but he gave a speech on assimilating into the United States culture if you come here. And we’ve been drifting for that, to be honest, for the past 100 years. Just the mere formation of Chinatown and Germantown and all these other little segments within a community, we’ve been drifting from assimilating to be Americans.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 16 :
It is a great day to be alive and to be engaged in this battle of ideas that’s raging in our country right now. My friends, we were really made for this moment. Memorial Day is right around the corner, and it is a time to stop and reflect about those that have given their lives Last full measure of devotion, giving their lives for our liberty. And I would really encourage you to attend the event out at the Marine Memorial at 2 o’clock on Memorial Day. It is a great way to honor those and reflect upon the sacrifices that have been given for us. Trent Luce is on the line, and he is a sixth-generation farmer and rancher. And Jim May with Lavaca Meat Company is on the line as well. Jim, welcome to the show. And before we get to your question, I’ve got an off-topic question for you. And I was going to call you, but I’m just going to go ahead and ask you. I’m going to be getting some Lavaca meat, and I’m going to be traveling. And if it’s frozen, do… Would it be okay if I didn’t put it in a cooler or dry ice and leave it out as I’m traveling for a few hours? Or do I need to have dry ice to make that happen?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, you know, good question. I’m glad you asked. Actually, that’s perfectly fine to let it thaw out slowly, just like you would in a refrigerator or whatever. And when you get to your point of where you’re going to cook it, usually 48 hours is fine. uh for it to thaw and then you know however so i would i would put it definitely put it in the cooler but i would not uh worry about uh the temperature keep the temperature cool but it doesn’t have as long as i can get real hot you’re everything’s cool everything should be fine okay great so you had a question uh for trent lewis jim may question a couple of comments trent uh very interesting show this morning and it really comes home to me because We have four large ranches out in northern Nevada around Winnemucca. And also at Stratton, we’ve got, I don’t know, 8 or 10 or 12 HUA South African employees. So both subjects are pertinent to me. But even more importantly than that, in 2008, we bought a company in South Africa. My son and I, the nutritionists, discovered a product at K-State that we wanted to own. And we have developed that product. Now we’re just stockholders in the company. But at one time, it was a startup for us. And we bought a product that lets cattle go convert on feed quicker to corn called LactoPro. And anyway, I had the sheer pleasure of spending 10 days in South Africa. And I was in Pretoria, which is like the Beverly Hills of of their largest city. And I would tell you that it had the most beautiful nightlife of any place I’d ever been. But it also, you could- Darn it, did we lose him?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think he hit one of those spots in eastern Colorado, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, I think he probably did. So, Jim, we’re going to… Oh. We got you back. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, just stop, Imogen. Just stop. So, I think I’ve got to get a signal for a minute here, and I’ll just stop. Okay. Anyway, my comments are the CEO of this company was a guy that lived in South Africa named Leander, and he had a beautiful farm with thatched huts, and we spent one night out there under the Southern Cross, and and looking at all the animals and did i mean it was but he had to make a decision uh he could this was 2008 he could get out and basically sell his his place at a a tiny loss or he could you know try to retrieve the value of what he paid for it and i said if you really want to go to the united states let’s do it right let’s let’s sell out and go well about a year later they just confiscated that place Or in other words, he would have lost it all. And it was quite a place. So that’s what’s going on over there. And I just think it’s really interesting when folks talk about, you know, racism, the left. And then we look at what they do with anti-Semitism, which to me is racism in its purest form. But because people have a different color of skin, then that is a racist. So it’s a funny double standard that we have.
SPEAKER 16 :
It really is. Thank you, Jim May. And Trent, Jenny had texted in a couple of things. But when I mentioned the Episcopal Church that said they’re not going to help any of these refugee Afrikaners, she said, is that the same Episcopal Church where the bishop in New York chastised Trump about mercy to the LGBTQ plus community? So, again, another double standard. Your comments on Jim’s question. statement, Trent. And so I wonder if that means that Jim’s colleagues sold, and so whoever bought that then paid money out, and then it was confiscated. It kind of sounded like that’s what happened, Trent.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s been happening on a regular basis, as I indicated, since 1987. I want to just Take it a step further with your stake and transportation. If you have aluminum foil and just put that right up on the dash and it’s hot enough, the sun could have that thing cooked for you so you could eat it once you arrive.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Good to know. I didn’t think I would. I thought I would wait and cook it when I got there, so good.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I’m just trying to be, you know, frugal with your time. I just didn’t know.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, you know time is very valuable. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I just want to echo Jim’s sentiments. I agree 100%. There’s no food safety concern whatsoever in that 48-hour window.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. Okay. So thank you on that. I had this question out there, and it’s going to have to be next week, and that was how should we fund the government?
SPEAKER 09 :
So I’ll let you have that for homework for this next week because I don’t know why we need a government at the federal level other than military. All we really need to fund is the military. The rest is an intrusion. All other government can be state and county.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, the things that are in the Constitution, though, regarding our borders, you know, there’s a few things that they should do. So, like, what about the interstate highway system? How should that be funded?
SPEAKER 09 :
It can be funded through the state. Each state is responsible for it, just like a state highway. Why does it need to be federally funded? And your military can take care of your borders and be the security. It’s the only funding we need for a federal government.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So how would we pay for the military?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, that’s the question. I don’t know what the answer is, but I know that we can take our spending from $80 trillion to a bare minimum compared to what we’re paying now.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, absolutely. And I think that people are getting a lot of heart regarding what Doge is attempting to do at the federal level. Let’s talk just a little bit more about roads. And you know what? I also you know what? I’m going to change gears. I know that this is a. Big question to throw out with just three minutes left. But there’s petitions out there here in Colorado that people are carrying regarding no new importation of wolves into Colorado. Give us your quick cliff notes on your thoughts about that petition.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, that’ll be quick. We need to not import any more wolves. In fact, there’s about 35 that need to disappear. And this wolf thing continues to be a problem all throughout the country and around the world. Even Italy now is talking about a wolf problem and depredation and livestock. California has suddenly realized they’ve got an inundation problem from north to south. New Mexico, Arizona, we had this under control. And it’s no different than the conversation about rewilding America. It is about eliminating people from owning land and generating the essentials of life for mankind.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, in a way, it’s a subtle way here in the United States of what is happening to the Afrikaners in South Africa.
SPEAKER 09 :
Absolutely. 100% agree.
SPEAKER 16 :
And the other thing is that I’m concerned that there may be some human that may be attacked by wolves, and that will be as brutal as what Yvonne was mentioning about some of the people in South Africa. So we’ve got just about a minute left or so. Trent Luce, what’s your final thought for our listeners today?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, that’s something off the wall. Denver is home to the American sheep industry organization representing the sheep producers of this country. We do not have a wool textile mill other than one in South Carolina at the moment, and that’s owned by a foreign interest company. We need a whole new level of infrastructure built for taking the cotton and the wool that has grown in the United States and turning it into something that people need. We just need to get those things started now. We’ve allowed this infrastructure to erode. It’s time to fix the erosion.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, that is absolutely true, and I have personal experience with that because I used to be in the ladies’ clothing industry, and we had manufacturing in North Carolina that did end up being moved offshore. They tried to keep it in North Carolina as long as possible. And then many of the people that have worked in that particular manufacturing facility, they lost their jobs. And it was really, it was detrimental to that little community. Trent Luce, it’s always interesting. I’m never sure where it’s going to go exactly, but it’s always pretty darn interesting. So thank you so much. Have a great week. We will talk again next week.
SPEAKER 09 :
Can’t wait. Thank you, Kim.
SPEAKER 16 :
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