In this episode of Sportsman of Colorado, host Scott Whatley tackles one of the most overlooked dangers in outdoor sports: hearing loss. Dr. Melissa Fling of Custom Ear Solutions returns to the show to explain how shooting sports can permanently damage hearing and how to prevent it. They discuss myths about suppressors, the importance of double protection, and hearing safety for kids. Later, Scott visits the new world headquarters of LT Arms in Littleton, Colorado, to talk long-range shooting, gunsmithing, reloading classes, and estate firearms with Kyle and the team. Then, Billy Paddock from Outdoorsman’s Attic shares how consignment
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado, Colorado’s premier outdoor radio show heard every Saturday afternoon on KLZ 560 with insights on hunting, fishing, archery, guns, and ammo from Colorado’s top outfitters featuring the industry’s leading experts on how to enhance your experience in the great outdoors. Now, here’s your host, Scott Watley.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to Sportsman Colorado. Thank you so much for being with us today. Hey, we’ve got a great show in store for you. Once again, congrats to all those that were successful in the draw. And a second draw coming soon, and we’ll see how that goes as well. But hey, today we’re going to talk about something that is super important. And unfortunately, if you’re in my age range, after 60, you grew up hunting and shooting. you probably were not aware of how damaging our sport we love in hunting and shooting can be to our ears. And we welcome Dr. Melissa Fling, our exclusive audiologist here for Sportsman of Colorado and Haystack Health Radio. She owns Custom Ear Solutions. Her number is 720-839-7705. Dr. Fling, thanks for being with us. Hi, Scott. I’m still going to get you to a range, all right? So in the next couple weeks, I know I say that every time, but I want to get you to a range where you can kind of really get an idea of what all. Then that’s going to give you a big insight and say, boy.
SPEAKER 02 :
Can we do an outdoor range? I’m scared of the indoor ones.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, because I’ve got a feeling your ears are very sensitive.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, they are. That’s why I’m afraid.
SPEAKER 05 :
There are some guns that go up, and there are some times that I jump, because you’re just not expecting it. But it is pretty loud. But let’s give one tip real quick here. If you’re in a range, and we’re going to talk about your products, But there’s nothing wrong with double protection. You’ve said that before, using some of your products possibly and then using your muffs, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Double is so important with indoor because probably as everybody can tell when they’re doing indoor shooting, it’s louder than it is outdoor because the sound reverberates and bounces off the walls. So it makes it louder, which means it’s more dangerous and you need more protection. So ear molds or ear plugs and muffs over it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. What have you seen? You’ve been to a couple of our expos and different things. You’ve talked to people in the outdoors a little bit here. I think there’s so many myths out there because a lot of people think, hey, if I’m behind the person shooting or five or six yards away, the sound’s not – I mean, it is still a loud thing for our ears, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, definitely. I always think that anybody that’s standing by, no matter how far – I mean, at a certain point, obviously, you won’t need it. But if you’re standing nearby – it could be loud enough for you to, I mean, at, so the person that’s shooting at their ear, it depends what the firearm is, but it could be up to 160, 170 DB sound pressure level. Um, And so it could potentially be still up to like 120 if you’re standing just a few feet away. And that can still do instant damage. So bystanders also need to wear hearing protection.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And we talked about a few weeks ago, we did a great show on suppressors and silencers and all. And there are some things even now where those may get to a point where we don’t have to go through such a special process and we can just get them over the counter. But I fear sometimes people think, Well, good night. Man, if I got a suppressor, I don’t even need to wear hearing protection.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that would be a bad myth because that’s not true.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, that’s a myth. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I think it’s always needed. I mean, really, when it comes down to it, firearm use is not safe for your hearing, no matter if you have a suppressor and hearing protection. So you’ll still have dangerous exposure. But… If you don’t use either of those things, it’s far more dangerous and will do damage much faster. So even with a suppressor, it’s always important to still wear hearing protection. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
So let’s break down your products here, and especially we’ll talk now. You’ll hear Melissa on our Haystack Help Show. She’s on Wednesdays at 1230 with us. And, of course, you’ll hear her on Sportsman of Colorado, too. Let’s kind of break down what you feel are your best products for those in the outdoors.
SPEAKER 02 :
So solid ear molds for maximum hearing protection. And that could be for indoor shooting, like we talked about. Or if you’re like in an industrial setting where you do not need to be aware of your surroundings or communicate, solid ear molds would be the best option for that. If you do need to communicate or you want to be able to hear between shots, then we could look at some type of filtered custom ear mold.
SPEAKER 05 :
And that’s what I have.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s what you have. And I love those. Yep. You’ve got impulse filters in yours, which will allow you to hear fairly. It still takes a little bit away from your hearing. I mean, what’s your experience with that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no. I mean… I can understand guys when they’re talking and things. We were actually pheasant hunting in Kansas. So I don’t know, 30 yards or so, 40 yards, another hunter may be away. But I could understand them, okay, at that distance. But it was nice when the shot rang that it wasn’t as before.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, yes. So filtered could be a good option for hunting where you need to hear between shots, work situations where you need protection but still need to be able to communicate somewhat effectively with people. Filtered is also good for water activities, swimming, surfing, whitewater rafting. If you’re with a group of people and you want to have some awareness and be able to communicate, then we could do a filtered water ear mold filter. And what was the – tell me again the question. I lost my train of thought.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, what we were talking about, what do you feel in your products would be great for shooters and hunters?
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yes, yes. Yeah, so it would be either the solid ear molds, filtered ear molds. Electronic is also an option if you need some amplification, if you’re trying to listen to the game, or if you have some hearing loss, amplified electronic products. hearing protection would be a good option. So it’ll offer the same thing that a filtered ear mold would. It will compress on a shot, but it will amplify between shots and make it so you can hear soft sounds more easily.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Yeah. And your solid ones, approximately costing?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, those are 160 for the pair. Filtered will be a little more. Those will be more like 260 for the pair. And then there is the cost of doing impressions on your ears as well, which is 25 per ear. So if we’re doing both ears, it would be 50. And that would be in addition to the cost of the ear molds. Now, one thing that I can offer is… Once I do the impressions, I’ll scan them and convert them into digital files and I’ll have that file indefinitely. So we don’t have to repeat the impressions every time you want a new pair of ear molds. I’ll already have those scans and those are good for about up to five years after which your ears might start to change a little bit.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And I honestly think everybody needs at least two of what you mentioned. The solid.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER 05 :
We are in ranges here. I don’t need to talk to the guy next door. I don’t even know him. You know what I mean? So you just want that maximum protection and then getting the filter type. you know as a win-win to you yeah as well and then so if you got 125 dollars um for your your awesome hearing exam i mean to spend you know three five hundred bucks let’s say yep be totally protected yep and know where you’re at with your hearing that’s a pretty good investment in your health to me
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and it’ll make the difference for you in the long term.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because you know what? Hearing aids ain’t no $500 hearing aids. You know what I mean? Seriously, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, those are a little more expensive.
SPEAKER 05 :
So, man, to spend, you know, I’ll just say it, spend $500 to protect what you’ve got. I’m telling you, you don’t want to wait. And unfortunately, as I said at the beginning of the segment, growing up, I never even thought about this as a teenager and stuff. Shot a ton. And even, you know, early adult years a lot in shooting guns and letting my kid put a gun on his shoulder so it would be steady and then letting him pull the trigger, you know. And I stick my finger in my ear, which probably didn’t do a lot, you know. And now the tinnitus rings. yes 24 7 never shuts off so hey if you’re not there yet don’t get there i promise you uh you don’t want that for sure um and your hearing test we can break that down a little bit um that that is not only just a traditional beeps if you’ve had a testing for i remember with mine um also some audio some voices and different things and just how you understand some verbiage right
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, yeah. It’s testing the softest volume that you can understand speech. Then we test how you understand speech at conversational level in quiet, and then how you understand speech when there’s background noise.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do you find that from shooters, is it across the board, whether it’s their high-pitched hearing they lose or the low end of the spectrum they lose from shooting? Is it hard to tell that?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, it’s almost always the high pitch end.
SPEAKER 05 :
The female end where we can hear our wives, right? We can hear an elk from like four miles away bugling, but honey, come in the garage. I couldn’t hear you.
SPEAKER 02 :
You’re going to get me in trouble with the wives, Scott. Yeah, that is. Well, you know what? Actually, when we look at where speech sounds fall in terms of their pitch and how loud they’re spoken, you know, vowels and consonants, the ones that are in the higher pitch range, somewhere between two and eight thousand hertz are K, S, T, F. TH, those sounds are beginnings and endings of words. And that’s exactly why when you start to lose some hearing sensitivity in that area, you start to perceive that people aren’t talking clearly or they’re mumbling because you’re not quite picking up on those really subtle consonant sounds. So I’m going to comment on the wives’ voices. Yeah. No, but that does happen. It’s very common for people with hearing loss to feel like they don’t understand women as well. We just don’t have as much power and volume to our voices. And it’s not so much the pitch of women’s voices that’s a problem. It’s more the power and the volume. We don’t have the same power behind our voices. So that’s a problem for a lot of people with hearing loss, women included. Right.
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All right. Once again, it is Custom Ear Solutions, 720-839-7705. When you call, let her know you heard her here on Sportsman of Colorado. We would appreciate that as well. And as I mentioned, hey, $125 for a great hearing exam. She doesn’t take insurance, but again, if you have an HSA account, something like that, she can work with you there. But then the whole idea with custom is it’s a perfect fit. And if you’ve messed around with these foam plugs, anything you do is better than nothing. But most of us, and I’ve seen people at Rangers, and I’ve told you this before, Do not know how to insert the foam here. You know, and I look over and there are three, four sticking out of their ear. You know, they just think, oh, I’m protecting my hearing. You’re not. So, you know, when you’ve got something that’s custom, it’s a true fit. It’s going to do its job for you there. I never thought about this just while we were talking. It’s a little off the topic. But as far as children go. At what age should people bring kids in to get hearing tested just to see where they are, even as smaller children?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s a good question. Well, for the most part, it’s already built into the system. So unless they get caught – so, well, let me back up. So when they’re born, they have a newborn hearing screening. Okay. Most of them pass that. If they don’t pass it, they’ll have a retest. If they fail that test, then they’ll go on to see an audiologist for a diagnostic hearing evaluation. And then we’ll go from there. So if hearing loss is identified, then they’ll see an audiologist potentially for a hearing aid fitting, right? And they’ll be monitored closely throughout their childhood until they’re an adult. So if they pass their newborn hearing screening, There are milestones, you know, that children will have as they develop. And it’s partly the parent’s job and the pediatrician’s job to pay attention to those milestones and make sure that they’re meeting those milestones. If they’re not, then sometimes hearing is the issue. And then the pediatrician will refer to an audiologist for testing. Once they get into school, then they’re screened pretty regularly. I want to say every three years, roughly, through high school. I mean, I even remember having hearing screening probably my sophomore or junior year of high school. You know, they just come in and put you in a quiet room, put the earphones on and have you raise your hand for the beeps, and then you’re done, you know. And so kids are screened pretty much all throughout their public schooling. I don’t know if that differs in private schooling. I wouldn’t think it does. But anyway, so kids are pretty well monitored. But I would say between birth… And school, it is more the parent’s job and the pediatrician’s job to kind of keep an eye on milestones and get them in to get a hearing test if something’s not quite right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And last minute here, but I would think if you’re a family that shoots together, and I know tons of families that do that. Don’t just think the ear muffs are enough for you or your child, as we kind of talked about the double protection. So I would think, if nothing else, getting children made these little small molds, the solid ones for them, then the ear protection with the muffs would be really good for them, too.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and we can do that. Now, their ears obviously are growing very quickly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sure, sure.
SPEAKER 02 :
So they’ll have to be replaced more often. So if you didn’t want to do custom, then you could get foam earplugs and just trim them down much smaller and put those in and then muffs over. And that’s a good point. Yeah, if you’re going to have infants as bystanders, they’ve got to have double hearing protection. Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Dr. Flynn, thank you. Always a pleasure to have you in. 720-839-7705 is the number. And when you call, like I say, hey, get an appointment. And I don’t want to say don’t go for just a hearing protection because that’s the whole purpose of the show. But I’m telling you, it’s better for you to get the hearing exam, especially if you hadn’t had one in a while. When’s the last time you had one? Think about it right now. If you can’t remember, it’s probably time for one, all right? And she’ll get you fixed up. Again, mention you heard her on the show, and we will thank you for that. This is Sportsman of Colorado. We’ve got to take a quick break, and we’ll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 12 :
KLZ 560, your home station.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to Sportsman of Colorado. Thank you so much for being with us today. Hey, we’ve got a jam-packed show for you. And just a quick reminder, if we miss our show here on Saturdays, 1 to 2, you can catch us twice on Sundays. That’s from 8 to 9 a.m., 8 to 9 p.m. Then the following Thursday is also 9 to 10 a.m. And hopefully one of those times will work out for you. And, of course, our podcast is on our website, sportsmanofcolorado.com. And, of course, wherever you get your podcast, you can find us there as well. Well, we are actually once again at the new world headquarters for LT Arms over here in Littleton. That’s right. New world headquarters across the street from the old one. 8130 Schaefer Parkway, Unit C. When you come by. Pretty sure it will be the only building with an elk on the window, all right? If you come by and you see three elk on a window, call us, because that means there’s elk over here. But, hey, seriously, great new store, and we are proud to say they are open for business. So, Kyle, we’ll start with you, the owner. How are you?
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m doing good. Thanks for coming out, you know, seeing the new shop. I really like it. I mean, it’s great. Great to have the space, and we can offer so much more to our clientele.
SPEAKER 05 :
You guys, and I said this before we came on air, but I’ve never seen – I came over here just a couple weeks ago, man. You were putting the flooring in here. I mean, there was really nothing in here. The next time I come over, the whole gunsmith – Folks are already in here with some huge equipment. You know, I mean, that took a lot to move. How come we’re today and it’s a complete store like you’ve been here for six months already? Yep.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s a lot of work. Yeah. Well, you know, a lot of us are pretty tired, but we get the work done and get it turned around so that our customers can come and not miss a beat. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
So what your mission and your customer experience here when people walk in the door? What do you have? I mean, it’s come to fruition. I can tell you that. But I mean, what did you really want when people walk in the door at LT Army?
SPEAKER 14 :
So I wanted a nice, warm, inviting place for people to come to spend time and just, you know, get away from the craziness of life. Nothing beats coming to a gun shop and just, you know, talking about your hunting trips or, you know, guns and stuff like that. Just being able to relax and talk to nice, knowledgeable people. Yeah. Have you found some nice ones?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m still working on that. Yeah. And I’m going to try to keep these two guys awake that are with us here, yeah, because they have been busting it. For sure. And kind of give us a virtual tour. You walk in the door. Kind of explain your layout.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so when you walk in the door, it opens into kind of our main showroom area where you can find accessories, ammo, apparel, all that kind of stuff. And then off to the left, we have our nice gun library and then our reloading room where we teach classes and have – the option for people to rent our reloading benches and then you go over to the right and one of the things that I really like is we have a vault door and you walk into our vault room and you can look at all the guns that are in there it’s a great experience for people it’s kind of something unique that I haven’t seen in any other shop so I kind of wanted to have that option for people yeah and I mean there’s some nice guns in there man yeah I just look through there wow Yep. That’s a cool look. Yeah, we try to keep a nice, good inventory in stock. And a lot of the old antique firearms that are in there, we do estate purchases and all that. So it’s a great option to offer to people. And we get some really cool guns in by doing that.
SPEAKER 05 :
And also in that room, you kind of give an inside look to your gunsmith area. Big glass wall there, which is cool to let people see what’s going on.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, exactly. And that’s one of the things is people don’t realize that we are a full service gunsmith shop. Everything from, you know, repairs to complete custom builds, we can do it. And so having that option to see the work being done just lets people know that the only limitation is your imagination.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow, that’s so cool. Once again, it’s LT Arms, 8130 Schaefer Parkway, Unit C. And in all seriousness, there is a really nice bull elk painted on the window, so you’ll know you’re in the right spot. All right, Evan, let’s talk to you here, sir, a little bit. How are you? Great, Scott. How you been? Good, man. Every time I come in, man, you’re always busy working on rifles and cartridges and all this stuff. Something’s going on here all the time. Is that your real passion is the whole cartridge thing?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, the reloading aspect and getting things tuned in for performance and accuracy. That’s kind of my pet project.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good deal. And you’re helping me get something set up. I got a new rifle, and so I’m interested to watch your process and see your process. And just to see how that works, because I’ve never done that before. So this is a cool experience for me, too. It’ll be fun. We’ll have a good time with it. Yeah, we’re looking forward to it. So let’s talk about that. And you do some classes, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, we do reloading classes. A lot of folks are wanting to get reloaded. And factory ammo is as good as it’s ever been. We’ve talked about this before. But a lot of people want to just kind of get something really tuned in using a particular bullet that the manufacturers of ammo might not be using. So, you know, custom bullets that aren’t offered by the major manufacturers, they want to use that bullet. Their only option is to hand load. So we teach them how to do that. We also just basically use 101 level. If you want to learn what it’s like to hand load ammunition, that’s what we do. We sit down at the bench and we hand load ammunition and you can get a hands-on experience.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Do you help people as well, like if they don’t have any equipment? Do you help them find kind of that equipment and tell them what to buy and stuff like that?
SPEAKER 08 :
We’ve got kits available, but also people like they already kind of know what they want. So we’ll assemble that for them and then they can purchase kind of the kit that they custom built for themselves.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or all the components. I know over the last few years, it’s been crazy with ammo, you know, but all the components of powder and primers and has all that stuff pretty much readily available.
SPEAKER 08 :
Things are loosening up really nice. Yeah, production’s back up. We’re starting to see large rifle primers for the first time in four years. We’ve got a good primer selection. We’ve got a good powder selection. Yeah, brass has become pretty plentiful again, so things are going really well. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now, can they get all that just shipped to their house, you know, as far as components like that, or do they have to get stuff shipped?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, no. Components are just metal. It’s just bullets and brass are just metal. You can order them from any of the manufacturers. They’ll ship them right to your home.
SPEAKER 05 :
Cool. All right. Good deal. All right, Mr. Brandon, how are you? Good. How are you doing? Good, man. All right. You were telling me a little bit before we came on air here, precision shooting is one big thing. That’s another area you guys focus on here. Are you seeing a lot of guys? I mean, Evan can comment on this as well, but that’s a pretty big sector growing all the time, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, the guys doing the long-range stuff like ELR competitions and things like that, it kind of goes hand-in-hand with what he’s doing with the classes, and we’re going to kind of ramp that up and try and get people in here that are doing long-range shooting out past 1,000 yards, and we have a couple guys that work for us that have gotten into that recently, and so we’re going to be ramping that up and… getting more of those long-distance guys in here and teaching classes based around that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Does that start in a classroom kind of deal just to educate a little bit, or does that start out on a range somewhere? I mean, when you talk about classes, what does that look like?
SPEAKER 15 :
Kind of both. The basis for the ammo loading is in the classroom, but then after you kind of figure out bouncing between the range and the classroom, figuring out what loads work best for your rifle, we’re doing a custom build in shop that is going to be a long distance rifle so yeah you kind of have to go in between the range and the and the reloading bench and figure out what load works best for the gun you’re using and dial everything in and you can take one of our one of our gunsmiths just did a four day class up in Wyoming that
SPEAKER 05 :
was from the ground up like shooting out you know starting out short distance and working his way out to about 1500 yards so wow yeah yeah because there’s a lot that goes into that long range shooting right i mean yeah you got the gun aspect ammo aspect um
SPEAKER 08 :
you know thermals wind i mean just learning how to dope wind learning how to elevate learning how to dial in your scope and ballistics and calculators and all those there’s lots of technology now you used to just have to kind of wing it kentucky windage they called it yeah yeah but now you got a lot of really nice tools that help you do it and uh there’s some there’s some extremely long shots being made accurately it’s a really exciting time to be in the game yeah absolutely yeah
SPEAKER 14 :
And one of the biggest things is the ballistics behind it. I mean, everyone says, oh, I want to shoot long distance and all that. But what really keeps people interested in it is the ballistics because there’s – I mean, if you’re a numbers guy and like to geek out about all this stuff, it is amazing what you have to look into and all that, the – What’s your bullet doing at certain yardages and how is it changing? You have to try and fine-tune the ballistics of the cartridge so that you can get out past that mile-long shot and everything.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s crazy when you stop a mile. Yeah. I mean, what are ranges around here if people enter a long range? What are some good ranges to go to that can stretch out, you know, that 6, 7, 8, or 1,000 or other places like that?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think Colorado Rifle Club has gone out past 1,000 yards now, but that’s where a lot of the competitions are held on this side of the hill on the western slope, the Cameo Shooting Center there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that’s awesome.
SPEAKER 08 :
That place, you want to do it, you can do it there. It’s fantastic. You can go out just thousands and thousands of yards out there in the desert.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow. sometime we ought to try to put together some sportsman of colorado day you know seriously where we could say hey if you want to come here’s the cost whatever you know we can meet and caravan up or something and just have a day or so up there that’d be really cool man once again we’re at lt arms hey the doors are open and again if you’ve already been here um throughout the last few years just directly across the street so not far 81 30 schaefer parkway unit c And Kyle, what are your hours?
SPEAKER 14 :
So Monday through Friday is 10 to 7. And then Saturday is 10 to 4. 10 to 4.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Now, we mentioned full service store. So let’s kind of run through what all that means. Typical words we hear, buy a sale trade, top deals, consignment, but then also transfers, guns. I mean.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if it has to do with the we even go past the firearms industry. So I like to tell people we are a one stop shop for everything hunting related. So we also touch on other stuff, too. But as far as the firearms, everything to get you outfitted for your hunt. we can easily help you with that. And then when you’re done with your hunt, we have a taxidermist here in shop that will take care of all of your, you know, trophy needs. And so that’s, that’s one of the nice things that I like to tell people is we are the place to go to for your hunting needs. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we’re working on a freezer and processing. Okay. No, I’m kidding. I’m kidding. It really is cool. And Keith, uh, Of course, he’s done stuff for me through the years, too, formerly of Hunter T’s Taxidermy. And Keith’s done a great job, been known around here in the area for a long time. And it is cool that you can come in here and really get some infield experience, you know, and you can talk to Keith even before the hunt. And that’s what I tell people all the time, man. Get all those questions answered before you go, you know. Come in and visit with Keith, visit with Evan Brand and these guys. Figure out, you know, like I say, get your rifle set first, of course, with ammo and things like that. But then if you’ve got questions about taxidermy, even field dressing some things, proper care in the field, you know, Keith’s a taxidermist, not a magician, all right? So, I mean, you’ve got to take care of your animals in the field, too, and he can help you with any tips maybe there. Now, you just brought up something, too, where you’re geared toward hunting. This is something that I see different from most stores in the Denver area. A lot of times you walk in and you kind of feel like you’re in an army surplus store or something. You know what I mean? You know, guys wearing, you know, eight, ten magazines around their hip and, you know, like they’re about to get robbed or something. I don’t know. But here’s super relaxed atmosphere. But yet, man, you do have that hunting flavor.
SPEAKER 14 :
you know really good at that but then you’ve got the other things too yeah we touch on everything firearm related i mean we’ll build you your custom ar that you want uh we have a ton of guys that’s their bread and butter they love doing that stuff and then as far as you know old vintage firearms we can restore all of them for you put them back to you know how they were in their pristine condition and you know as far as handguns we have a huge selection of handguns for people to select from so we touch on everything it’s just the hunting market was hurting in the Colorado area so we want to focus on that but we do touch on everything else there isn’t anything we can’t get our hands on right right this suppressor movement yeah is looking pretty exciting I mean what do you what are you guys hearing on on that Yeah, I mean, the nice part about that bill is it’s tied into all the other bills that if it doesn’t pass, there’s going to be a lot of people mad. And so that’s one of the nice things there. And since it’s already, you know, passed, you know, a few of the, you know, criterias makes it super nice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Man, I mean, I can’t imagine what it would be like to just walk in and buy a suppressor and be done. And it’s so funny. My friends from Africa were here, you know, for Mile High Hunting Fish Expo we did back in April. And they can just walk in and do that, you know.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I’m just like, man, that’s the way it should be. Yeah, I mean, it’s just an accessory beyond, you know, it goes on a gun, but it’s not a gun, and they get treated like they’re more dangerous than guns. Yeah, you go to other countries where, you know, it’s extremely hard to get a gun. I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they can only own, like, so many guns, but, oh, you can get suppressors.
SPEAKER 15 :
But you’re almost required to use them, yeah. It’s really weird. We have it kind of backwards here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, right. And that’s one of the crazy things is… In other countries, you are legally required to use a suppressor to hunt. In the States, you’re not, and it’s kind of hard to use it to hunt. But once you use one, you’re never going to want to go back. Oh, yeah. Because that’s, I mean, it is such a game changer in the hunting world.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, to be honest with you, most people, if you ask them, hey, can you use a suppressor hunting in Colorado? No, no, that’s against the law.
SPEAKER 14 :
Most people think that. Yep. Yep. And that’s one of the crazy things is we partnered with a research department testing muzzle brakes and suppressors and all that. And one of the things that we found out in this research is that your muzzle brakes cause brain damage. Dude, that’s what’s wrong with me, man.
SPEAKER 05 :
Son.
SPEAKER 14 :
And so as far as hunting with a muzzle brake, it’s not good. It cuts back on recoil, but it just destroys your hearing and everything else. It’s just not safe. And so having a suppressor makes it so much better because you get the recoil mitigation. But you also get these safe hearing. And you still need to wear hearing protection with suppressors, but it just makes it that much better. So you get the best of both worlds without having to destroy your ears.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I think we’ve all been in those situations, whether you’re a bird hunter or whatever. But just standing next to a buddy and when he shoots and, you know, you’re not really thinking about it. And I’ll say, wham. And, man, I mean, there’s some big rock. You can feel the ground shake. It feels like you can feel like you’re at a rock concert and your chest is, you know, going in and out. I mean, just that reverberation. And then once it hits, man, I do a show, Dr. Melissa Fling, Custom Air Solutions. And, man, once that hits and all of a sudden you get that high pitch ring in your ear. Man, you could be, you know, done for. You got it for life sometimes. It’s damage, yeah. LT Arms, 8130 Schaefer Parkway, Unit C. Hey, come by. Let them know you heard them here on Sportsman of Colorado, and we’d appreciate that as well. Now, we mentioned the full-service door consignments, and we mentioned kind of some estate buys. And, I mean, you just picked up a nice one the guys were telling me and showing me some of the guns there. But kind of explain how consignments work and then what we call estate buys, and I’ll let you explain that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so I mean, as far as all that, we are happy to look at anyone’s estate. Some people keep better records than others, and so that makes it hard for the widow or the family that is left behind. to truly know what their, you know, ancestor had or their father or their husband had. And so we like to go in and kind of evaluate stuff for people, give them, you know, top dollar or what they could get and stuff like that. And then we’ll kind of, you know, help them through the process, explain to them, hey, you know, you could try and sell them all yourself here. You could sell them to your friends and family. This is what the value of this firearm is. But a lot of the times people just want to, you know, unload the headache. And so we’ll take it in on consignment or we’ll buy it outright depending on what the people are wanting. But as far as consignment, 20% is what we offer for consignment. We’ll do all the legwork at getting them sold and all that. And once it sells, we write you a check. That’s the best way to do it, man.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t want to be running something on Facebook Marketplace if you’re going to get by with that now. And then what, are you going to have people come to your house to look at your guns that you don’t know? Exactly. And getting all the paperwork done. So absolutely the safest way to do it. Any other type classes we want to mention that you guys either are offering or are soon to be or anything like that?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so some of the classes – I mean, we offer our concealed carry classes and all that and everything, reloading classes. But some of the fun classes that we’re going to start offering is kind of more – Less lethal stuff, scenario situation classes of how to react, and also first aid classes is some of the stuff we’re going to start offering here in-house. We’re trying to, right now, build out a nice classroom. We’re holding a few classes a month, and so it would be a nice place to have people come and just… learn more about the industry and better things the you know the biggest problem we have in the gun industry is the lack of knowledge yeah so the more knowledge-based we can have our classes to help people in the industry understand more the better off the industry will be and you know what i mean i hate to say this and i’m not knocking big box stores but i have found through the years here all these last few years especially since covid you walk into these big box stores
SPEAKER 05 :
Dude, they know nothing about the counter behind their work. I mean, the counter behind their work.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s alarming, for sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I’m like, dude, how could you not know? I mean, I’m there to ask you a question because I don’t know. But, dude, you work here. I mean, they just don’t know. Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
Again, to further elaborate on Kyle’s statement, really, education is everything. The more you know, the safer you are and the better you are with your firearm. Sure. One of the ones that we really enjoy doing right here in the gunsmiths is an hour with a gunsmith. We offer an hour with a gunsmith. You’ve just taken possession of your first firearm. You’ve taken a class on how to use it, but you really don’t, you know. The manual of arms is great, but you don’t know how to maintain it. You don’t know how to break it down, how to field strip it, things like that. So you can come in here and take an hour with one of our gunsmiths, and they will take you all the way through field stripping your new 1911, for example, showing you the proper way to clean it, showing you how everything goes together and how things work. Again, you’re understanding functionality. You’re also going to understand how that thing works in your hand better. It just makes you a better shot, a better marksman, a better gun owner ultimately.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely. Well, gentlemen, this has been fun. Hey, hope you guys get some sleep over the weekend. All right. This slave driver that you guys got for a boss here. No, I’m kidding. No, you guys done well, man. I’m telling you, it is super impressive. And so I can’t wait to start getting a lot of our listeners over here to see you guys. And folks are going to be with us. Hey, the first of every month is our goal. Now, could something happen where we might be the second Saturday of the month? But Hey, you can look for them on the first Saturday of every month here to be on Sportsman of Colorado. But more importantly, get over here and see them and let them know that we sent you. And once again, we’d appreciate that. So, Kyle, thanks for having us out. And, Heaven, thank you, sir. Thank you, Scott. Brandon, thank you as well. You’re listening to Sportsman of Colorado. We’ve got to hit a quick break, and we’ll be back with more right after this.
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SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome back to the show. Hey, always good to have our good friend Billy Paddock with us. It is the Outdoorsman’s Attic 2650 West Hamden. Now, Billy’s been with us for years since we started, really, our shows. But if you haven’t heard him, this… is a great concept he came up with it is a consignment store for the outdoors now let me define outdoors that’s hunting fishing camping all right none of the the golf or anything like that it is strictly hunting fishing and camping gear billy always good to have you on how are you sir
SPEAKER 16 :
Good. I appreciate that disclaimer. It’s not like I don’t like golf and all that kind of stuff. But if I don’t do it, I can’t sell it because I don’t feel comfortable telling people about it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no, no doubt.
SPEAKER 16 :
No key gear, no golf. There’s plenty of shops out there. But yeah, hiking, fishing, that kind of thing. We’re all about that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Man, no doubt. You know, it is something. Buddy and I, we were talking that day, just all the gear that you accumulate as a sportsman. And you kind of look back at things and you’re like, why did I buy this? And then the big thing I run into a lot of times, I can’t find something. So then I go buy it knowing I had one. And then I find myself with two. So a lot of things can go on there. But let’s approach the consignment side first of things in just gear and whether that’s hunting, camping, fishing, and just kind of tell people how all that works.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, so, I mean, we’re not high pressure here. You know, we’re a family business. Most of your listeners probably know that by now. But I don’t try to make things harder than they really are. So you bring your stuff in. We set you up with a consignment account. um, you know, to kind of go through your stuff. We want stuff that’s usable guys. If it, if you’re not going to use it out there, chances are somebody else isn’t either. So no funky smelling, you know, tents and no, no ripped pair of pants. Um, you know, we want usable stuff. That being said, everybody’s got that kind of stuff, you know, like to what you mentioned earlier, guys go in and out of stuff all the time. You know, I, I thought that I was going to be a fly fisherman. I found out it wasn’t for me. I get frustrated. So I had all that junk and everything. And so you bring it into a shop like mine. We sell it for you. We get some money back. More importantly, you get to go and use that money or find something else that you really like to do. It’s a good outlet for that kind of thing. Because every year, everybody looks through the magazines and goes, I’ve got to have that part. A lot of times that stuff doesn’t work out for people. Our shop’s a great way to get introduced into those kind of sports too. A typical guy, I just talked to a guy earlier this week, he just dropped $1,000 on a bunch of fly fishing stuff. And he’s like, oh man, I wish I would have known. I just picked this up and He walks into my shop. I probably could have outfitted four guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I started to say, yeah, $1,000 goes a long way at your store.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it does. It does. And so, you know, even on the fence, guys, you know, if you’re just thinking about getting into elk hunting, you know, come into my shop. You know, the clothing gets expensive so quickly. You know, another great outlet is kid stuff. You know, kids’ camo, you know, kids’ fishing stuff, kids’ waders, you know. Those kids aren’t going to stay that size. There’s no sense in spending $200 on a set of waders for a kid that’s going to wear them for maybe three trips. That being said, if you’ve got kid gear, bring it in because we’re always starving for that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’d be a huge sector, man, that really needs help. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you know, and I mean, you know, going forward, I mean, even like muzzleloading, that’s getting hot again because you guys are getting kind of frustrated with some of the draws. And if you got muzzleloading stuff and you tried it, you decided it’s not for you, bring it in. We can turn it into cash for you. and get it in front of somebody else that’s going to use it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And, you know, a lot of times, too, man, fabric shrinks. In other words, our sizes change. And I’ve got some things that, you know, used to fit different. I’ll just put it that way. And a lot of times this stuff, you know, is gently used, you can say. Oh, yeah. You know?
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. You know, I’m guilty of it. I always say that my arms get longer. And so… long sleeve shirts and me never work out. And so my wife’s like, gosh, what are you going to do with all this stuff? So I just bring it over to the shop and resell it. But I mean, that’s true. You know, this clothing stuff, a lot of the stuff that I get in is real lightly used. Guys, we’re all gear junkies. We all like the greatest, best thing that, you know, blah, blah, blah, that the neighbor has. But at the same time, the fish, the birds, the You know, the elk, nobody’s looking at the labels, guys. They’re not trying to see if you got the 2025 camo pattern. Yeah. You know, don’t let that fool you. And so you come into a shop like mine, you save a buck, and you still get, you know, you still get good results.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely. And once again, it’s located at 2650 West Hamden. And what are your hours, Billy?
SPEAKER 16 :
And so Tuesday through Friday, we’re here from, well, I’m usually here by 8. We’re here until a little after 5, depending on if it’s a little slow out there. We might go and play hooky, and I might go try to drop a line somewhere. And then on Saturdays, we’re from 9 to 4. We’re closed on Sundays and Mondays. I’ve got to get out and play, too. I’m sick of hearing all the stories about everybody else going out.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
SPEAKER 16 :
And fishing and hunting. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And, you know, just kind of thinking the last time I was in, I mean, man, if people are in the market for packs, man, you’ve got a big selection. You’ve got sleeping bags down. I mean, folks, this is something. There’s an upstairs and a downstairs now when you go. So how do you describe the best way for people to get to you there off that service road?
SPEAKER 16 :
So we’re just, you know, a lot of old-timers know the building as the old camera trader building. That was around since dirt was invented. We’re in that building. We’re basically between Santa Fe and Federal on 285. Okay. Everybody thinks it’s a frontage road that’s just north of Hampton there. It’s actually Hampton Avenue.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’ll see the back of the building up against 285. It’s got a giant purple mountain on it. You know, that’s us there.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And once again, folks, fishing, hunting, camping gear, and if you’ve got some things that, you know, hey, you’re just not using anymore, I’m telling you, it’s a lot better than trying to do Facebook Marketplace and some of these other things. um apps that may be out there you can take it into billy hey he’ll help you price it reasonably where it’ll sell and um like i say it’s a great way to uh make some extra bucks or hey what i do is just end up buying something else there that ends up being a really really good deal because bill i mean i’ve seen things through the years i mean and quite often that’s brand new in a package dude oh yeah i mean i mean we we’ve got a ton of ammo the reloading stuff is always hot if you
SPEAKER 16 :
If you’ve decided to back off of reloading, bring it in because I’ve got guys daily coming in and just buying everything that I have for reloading. So I’m starving for reloading supplies. And so you’re going to get a premium for that. You know, the ammo, you know, it’s all new stuff. You know, the fishing stuff, guys go in and out of fishing all the time. Right. Tents, wall tents. You know, the draw is going to be coming up here pretty quick.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Amen. Going through your stuff and thinking, okay, do I want to? Still be in this tent or do I want another one? Bring it into the shop, guys. You know, this is a good time of year for me to – I say that the store always kind of swells up after the wives start going through our closets and going, you know what, you’re not going to fit that. I want to park my car in the garage kind of thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Now’s the time to do it, guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
And like you said, man, for families to come in, you know, and you got kids and you need to buy them some fishing gear, you need to get them some things. As Billy said, hey, their sizes are definitely not going to stay long. And, hey, there’s a great selection in there of different things, and it can change day to day. I mean, this is actually a store, honestly, you can go in two, three times a week, and you will see different things every time you come in. And, Billy, it’s got to be a fun deal. You know, I used to watch some of those pawn shop deals on TV when people bring stuff in. I mean, every time that the bell goes off and the front door opens, you never know what’s going to walk in there that somebody wants to sell, right?
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, yeah. It’s crazy, the stuff. And, you know, I’ve learned a lot over the years, too. I thought that I knew everything. Oh, sure. Um, I mean, some, some of the best knowledge that I get are from my customers. You know, they bring in something that I’ve never seen before and they have to explain it to me. And then not five minutes later, one guy comes in and says, I’ve been looking for that for years and buys it and out the door happier than anything, you know? same thing with scotty our gunsmith downstairs you know he’s a wealth of knowledge for me sure um and i mean he’s just turning and burning right now um guys are bringing in a ton of stuff so right right and you got live bait too right we do yep yep uh ice fishing guys i i don’t know what happened but we had good ice and then it quickly disappeared here in town but um the yep the mount lakes are still looking good so we still got plenty ice up there but Yeah, we go through a ton of bait and a ton of fishing stuff here.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Once again, Billy Paddock is our guest. It’s the Outdoorsman’s Attic, 2650 West Hampton. Hey, when you go in, let them know you heard them here on the show. And you’ll hear them on our Haystack show. You’ll hear them on Sportsman of Colorado. But Billy has been one of our great supporters since we first started. And I just walked in one day and said, hey, I’m going to start a radio show. And they were kind enough to help me. um have been just just terrific um personal friends great partners for us here on the show helped a lot of our listeners and um i love the stories billy i think last year a couple times you had people listen and they were passing through town going to hunt and and swung in and bought something so that’s good yeah you know and it works both ways scott it really does i mean you’ve truly been a help to the shop you know i love you guys you’ve
SPEAKER 16 :
You know, all your listeners have been great. And make sure you drop his name because you never know. I might be in a good mood.
SPEAKER 05 :
You won’t charge him more, right, if they say Scott sent me?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, you’re one of the few that if you drop Scott’s name or the show and everything, you’re going to get a discount. I promise I won’t upcharge you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, man, we appreciate it. And, again, it’s the Outdoorsman’s Attic, 2650 West Hampton. So get by and see Billy again. Tell him I sent you, and they’ll take great care of you. And if you’ve got some things, hey, taking up your garage space, closet space, go through it, get it over to Billy, and turn it into cash. So, Billy, I know you’re busy, man. We appreciate it, and I’ll get over and see you soon.
SPEAKER 16 :
Guys, thank you very much.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Thank you. Thanks for being with us today. Hope you have a great rest of your day. Leave it right here on KLZ 560.
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