On this compelling episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush is joined by Dr. Kelly Victory and political strategist Steve House for a deep dive into a stunning DOJ reversal: dropping all charges against Dr. Kirk Moore, a physician who administered fake COVID vaccines to preserve patient choice. What begins as a case study in government overreach turns into a sweeping indictment of federal intrusion in healthcare, education, and daily life.
Dr. Victory explains how Dr. Moore was targeted for upholding informed consent, violating mandates but honoring the patient-doctor relationship. The panel tackles the legal implications, the Nuremberg Code, and
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And it’s that time Thursday, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory joining us today as well as Steve House. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you today?
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Hey, I’m great. Happy Thursday. Glad to be with you.
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Happy Thursday to you, Steve House as well. Happy Thursday to you also. Okay. Hey, Professor Rush, how are you today? Hey, now, don’t get too formal with me here because that’s about the farthest thing. Yeah, that’s the farthest I’ll ever be, you know, professor, doctor. Yeah, that’s not me, but thank you anyways. I would have called you the doctor of carburetors a long time ago. Oh, there we go. Now that fits. Yeah, I can do that. That one works. Anyways, welcome, guys. I appreciate it. Those of you listening, maybe for the first time, Dr. Kelly and Steve House, we’ve been doing this segment in this hour for over five years now, ever since COVID and all the way through and all the changes since. And even though COVID for the well, it is over. We talk about that on a regular basis as well. We still have plenty of things that we talk about and cover regularly. during these segments every single week. So no, it is not as much COVID related anymore as it is just how to stay healthy and what’s going on in the medical community, what’s happening politically speaking. We’ll get into several things today, including the DOJ dropping charges against a physician who gave fake vaccines and other things along those lines. So Dr. Kelly, let’s start with that. What I just said a moment ago, the DOJ, Bondi, dropping charges against a doctor who gave fake vaccines, mainly because he was mandated to give the real vaccine, but wanted to make sure people had a choice is what my understanding is.
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That’s correct. Dr. Kirkmore, who is a family physician, gave his patients the choice at a time when the government was mandating that children have these vaccines to attend school and other things. He actually gave the parents true informed consent and followed their choice. So he gave vaccines to people who wanted those vaccines. And he gave either fake vaccines or fundamentally wasted the vaccine, shot it down the drain and but marked it in the chart that they had been vaccinated when they hadn’t. The Department of Justice was bringing charges against this physician, and he was facing 35 years in prison. This was a big deal. 35 years in prison for giving patients choice. He was doing the right thing, giving patients informed consent and allowing them to make a choice regarding bodily autonomy for what was right for themselves or their children. Fortunately, just this last week under the direction of Pam Bondi, I certainly haven’t agreed with everything she’s done, but this was a win for sure. The DOJ has dropped the charges entirely and is honoring Dr. Kirk Moore’s ability to make a decision along with his patients in their confidence.
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Steve, as, by the way, should have been done from the get-go, and of course there’s always going to be folk out there that talk about, well, you know, what if there really was a real, you know, public emergency, and what if this had been really bad, and what if he had done this, and that would have, you know, that would have you know, possibly infected others. Well, the reality, Steve, is as we knew and we’re talking about all the way through COVID, that just simply wasn’t the case, meaning we weren’t in that position. So the reality is he didn’t do anything wrong at the end of the day. In fact, he did what was right, as Dr. Kelly said a moment ago.
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I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say he didn’t do anything wrong. I mean, I completely agree with Pam Bondi’s decision and what she did with this case. But, you know, if you’re in medicine and you document that you did something and you do it fraudulently or if you get paid to do it, I don’t know whether you got paid to deliver these vaccines or not. I think the guy was courageous without question, you know, but, you know, technically.
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But keep in mind, Steve, and I’m going to push back because keep in mind, it was a time where if you followed everything by the rules, you would have given people no choice whatsoever when it came to what you were injecting into their body or their kids’ body. In his case, and to your point, yes, he was very courageous. I mean, I guess I understand what you’re saying where, you know, did he do no wrong? Well, in the eyes of government, he did wrong. In my eyes, he did right.
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Well, my point was going to be that while I can tell you that, you know, there were there were there were physicians out there who just who would have done what he did and then said, no, I didn’t give him the vaccine because it’s a bad vaccine and I’m not going to do it. Didn’t document it right. But he was pushed into a situation, I think, that’s coercive, really, from the government’s point of view and and from the patients. I mean, the patients are saying to him, look, Doc, if I don’t show a vaccine card that has a vaccine on it, I can’t go back to work. There was a lot of corruption and pressure, and it was really forced at play. So I’m good with the guy doing what he was doing, but I don’t want to encourage people to break the law or do fraudulent things. I want the government to stop. They should never have put him in that position. I agree.
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Well, and this gets into questions. And, Dr. Kelly, you’re a doctor. You know way more about these things and how this works, governmentally speaking, than for sure I do. And I guess I’m trying to think of other situations in my world that might be similar to this. But, you know, we want to abide by the law because we do believe in law and order. And our side especially believes in the rule of law until it starts to violate people’s rights. Am I saying that correctly?
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Well, yeah, I think, frankly, it’s beyond even just people’s rights, John. I think that the government cannot force you to break another law. What happened with the vaccines and these mandates was a frank breach of the Nuremberg Code. This was codified after World War II. It is very clear in the law that you cannot mandate coerce or otherwise by fear of reprisal. commit somebody or force somebody to participate in a medical experiment. That is the Nuremberg Code. Our government put physicians in a position where they were forced to break that code, to breach that, to force people to do something against it. So in my mind, you know, had this gone to court and been fought out, although it would have been horrible for dr moore it would have been fascinating in terms of setting legal precedent i would hope that the supreme court would have ultimately found that the government was in the wrong because it was putting a physician in a position where it needed to number one disallow informed consent and autonomy and number two was a breach of the nuremberg code so i i agree i understand where steve’s going with it and obviously i am not you know suborning the people committing fraud or otherwise doing things that are illegal just to satisfy their consciences. But in this particular case, I think Dr. Moore was right. And I think the DOJ is on the right side of history in this.
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Steve, and again, yeah, I think he was right, obviously, as well. My point is, let’s not forget what the government tried to force him to do. Right. And or what the government tried and tried to force him to do. And he refused force exercises, freedom and freedom of choice and helps patients. I think it’s a. gets to that point, it’s really bad, and they are to that point. There’s no question about it.
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Well, and let’s not forget, Steve, that during that time, there were those of us that, I mean, I don’t know whether they were necessarily laws. I think in some cases… They were they were they were health orders. Let’s put it that way regarding the wearing of masks and things like that. And I know the three of us combined. I mean, every chance I got to basically break that law, break that rule, if you would. I did. You know, was I right, wrong or otherwise? I felt I was right because I was going against something that was absolutely nonsensical. And I wanted to prove a point now. I’m not a medical professional. I’m not signing off on somebody’s getting a vaccine or not and so on. And I guess it’s probably not exactly the same comparison, although we were technically going against the law or the rules in not wearing masks the majority of the time. Well, yeah, you technically were.
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And first of all, you don’t look that good in a mask, so I’m glad you didn’t do it. Thank you. But secondly, there’s this thing about freedom, right? Especially in the cases of your own health care and your own health. I mean, the public health departments and what they did during COVID and Gavin Newsom’s explanation of his whole rule set and everything else that he did. I mean, I think this is all just You know, they’re justifying what they did, which was incredibly anti-freedom. And I think you’re right. I mean, I didn’t wear a mask a lot of times either. I got in trouble a few times for that, but it was my choice.
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Yeah. And Dr. Kelly, like I said, I’m probably not using, you know, the exact comparison. I was trying to think of something just off the top of my head that would have applied during that same time that a lot of us were doing. And granted, we’re not medical professionals, although we were still breaking the law.
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Well, a lot of this, there actually wasn’t law, to be clear, and this is where it’s a very slippery slope. The CDC does not make laws. They’re a guidance agency that gives guidance. There was never a law that you had to wear a mask. There wasn’t a law that you had to stand six feet apart. There’s no law on the books that said that. But what happens is the power… of the social construct, the power of the fact that the TSA agent or the gate agent at the ticket counter or the grocery store clerk was able to deny you service on the basis of that, despite the fact that there was no law, that’s where things really went sideways. People were following things that were guidelines that all of a sudden became sort of, it’s our rule and you’re breaking the law. Furthermore, let’s be clear. The government has slowly been overstepping its bounds on lots of things. How is it that the government is allowed to tell me that I must use someone’s preferred pronouns?
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Right. By law.
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I must allow my child to do, you know, gender transition if that’s what my child wants. Where is the government? The government doesn’t have this authority unless we give it to them. And unfortunately, more and more, we have been allowing them to take hold of things that are way beyond their purview.
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I fully agree. By the way, it’s a great topic. So I want to continue this, you know, keep going on this because it’s a great topic. And it’s a discussion that I think more people need to have and even have this around the dinner table, Steve, because these are conversations, frankly, I don’t think people have enough of.
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Well, no. I mean, people forget that there was a revolution once because a government taxed our tea. And there wasn’t a lot else. I mean, they didn’t let us choose our leaders. But I’m not so sure that the revolution itself and what was the genesis of it wasn’t very mild compared to what we’re dealing with today. I mean, I think it’s very, very mild. I don’t understand at all why we’ve allowed the government to continue to be the way it is.
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Because we’ve become a lot more, and Dr. Kelly, tell me if I’m right in this, but I think because we’ve become a lot more comfortable in our lifestyles, not wanting things to be, you know, to have the boat rocked, if you would, which, by the way, there were some of those individuals even back in revolutionary times that felt the exact same way. Now, let’s just go along with England. I like my life here. Let’s not rock the boat. I know King George can be kind of a jerk sometimes, but let’s just roll along with things and let’s just not rock the boat. There were people that said that back then. Difference today is there’s far too many of those saying that.
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I agree. And Steve is 100 percent correct. I said all during COVID, this is the stuff that revolutions are made of. Our government does not have the right to do this. And let’s be clear, even the issue of the vaccines, the government, you know, going back to, you know, 1905, the case, you know, with regard to the smallpox epidemic. vaccine in the state of Massachusetts. They were able to find someone who refused the smallpox vaccine only because the smallpox vaccine was proven to actually stop transmission of the disease, and therefore they said it’s in the public health. The COVID vaccines did not stop the transmission of vaccines, and therefore it should only have been up to the individual whether he or she wanted to roll the dice and get COVID. That’s my choice. You know, the government In the same way that the government can’t tell me I can’t smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol or do anything else that I can choose to do. It’s my choice. I can eat McDonald’s every day. The government can’t say, Kelly, you can’t eat McDonald’s french fries because it’s bad for you and you’re going to get sick. So you can’t do it. They can’t tell you that. And you would never listen if they did. So why in the world would you listen to them when they say you must take this vaccine, Steve, or you’ll get sick? That’s your choice.
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Great point. Great point. And I guess, Steve, my only concern with all of this, which I think is where you’re coming from, is. I get this doctor, where he came from, what he did, all the things that we talked about all through COVID and so on. On the same token, I guess you don’t want to set a precedence whereby you can just have rogue doctors signing official documents and things that say something was done when, in fact, it never was, although that’s not the case here. And I think we need to be very distinct in making sure that there is a line there that, yeah, this guy didn’t cross anything along. He wasn’t. You know, saying he was performing surgeries and not doing anything, that’s not the case. This was simply, you know, to do with what we were talking about during COVID. And I think we need to make sure people really understand that defining line, if you would, because, yeah, we’re not advocating, you, I, or Dr. Kelly, that doctors can just be rogue and go do whatever they want to.
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You know, it’s like Mary Talley, that doctor down in Texas, with ivermectin i mean i think i think it took courage he was standing up for his patients and what he believed in and if him you know the government licenses him he has to pass tests and if they believe in him and he believes in a protocol and he uses that protocol and he gets good outcomes i i don’t think there’s any reason why a guy like this should face penalty But that was another part of this that was so difficult. Ivermectin, you can’t get it from a pharmacy. You can’t. Now, all of a sudden, you have to have prescriptions. You have to have all these things happen that limited a doctor’s ability to care for their patients with government manipulation. Frankly, I don’t think anyone’s ever going to pay a price for what was obvious overreach, unlawful, unconstitutional.
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Fully agree. All right. Good segue, which, by the way. Go ahead, Dr. Kelly. Go ahead.
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I was going to say, the bottom line is the government was never invited into the exam room. The relationship between the patient and the physician is exactly that, between the patient and the physician. The government was never invited in. The government doesn’t get a vote. This isn’t a team sport. The government doesn’t get a vote in whether you treat your blood pressure or don’t, whether you take a statin, whether you take chemotherapy, whether you have surgery for this or that. The government doesn’t get a vote.
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Great point.
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And we can’t let them.
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And we are back. And Steve’s only got up another 10 minutes with us, Dr. Kelly, today. So if we’ve got things that we want to involve him in, let’s go ahead and do that now. And by the way, great conversation that we had there in that opening segment, because I think it’s a great reminder that what you said, Dr. Kelly, especially is. We tend to forget this at times. Government has no business not only in what you just talked about, but in a lot of other things in our personal lives. We, unfortunately, we, society, citizenry, has allowed them far too much freedom to be involved in things that, frankly, they shouldn’t be in a lot of cases. And, Steve, that’s a great reminder that we need to, like back 250 years ago, stand up for our own rights and kick them out as needed.
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Yeah, if you could amend one little sentence in the Constitution or the Declaration, it would be the separation of church and state should be the separation of state, church, and your own health care. Because, you know, it’s the same concept. I don’t want the federal government involved. Medicare and Medicaid are far too involved as it is, and the government shouldn’t be both the payer and a provider of health care. It’s just the wrong regulator.
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It shouldn’t be done that way for sure, and Kelly’s right. Dr. Kelly, I was talking to one of my boys about this just yesterday. You know, it’s that old golden rule, the guy with the gold rules. And when you turn all of your health care over and the money for all of that to government, Medicare, Medicaid, for example, the guy with the gold is ruling. Am I right?
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A hundred percent. And the bottom line is when the government controls health care, military or defense, education, housing, They own you.
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Yep.
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When they control of it, they own you. And that’s exactly what we fought a revolutionary war to avoid. We have more and more at times, more and more examples where our government is exceeding their authority. We have a First Amendment, for example, that protects your freedom of speech. The First Amendment was not there to protect speech that you like. It was put there to protect speech that you don’t like. That’s offensive.
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That’s right.
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That’s the way it goes. That’s the price you pay to live in America, is that people can say offensive things. They can choose not to use your pronouns. If I go out and announce that my pronouns are Her Highness, I can’t force everybody to call me that, although I’m thinking about it. That’s right. But, you know, it’s simply absurd. Our government needs to get back in its lane. Its job is to protect us from threats, foreign and domestic. That’s about it. And they have taken more and more authority, and we have got to beat them back into their lane. And I’m hopeful, frankly, that some of what’s going to happen during this administration, it remains to be seen, is that we’re going to get some of that back. And perhaps it took the debacle of the COVID pandemic to wake people up to just how far government has exceeded its authority.
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Yep. Steve, when it comes to this sort of go back to the political side before we let you go. And this is something that I don’t think we do a good enough job of vetting certain candidates out. What I mean by that is somebody is running for office. I don’t think sometimes we ask the right questions, i.e. some of the things that we’re talking about right now. We should be asking candidates, you know what, how involved do you think government should be when it comes to, you know, your health, your health care and your free speech and some of the things that Dr. Kelly just rattled off? We don’t ask those questions like we should.
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Well, you could even couch it in a very simple structure, which says there are 18 enumerated powers in the Constitution that the federal government is responsible for, including delivering the mail. Please tell us what your interpretation of those 18 things are. You know, what are those 18 things? If you don’t know them, you damn well better learn them. And if you don’t know what they mean, figure it out because, you know, defense and some of the different things. I mean, those 18 enumerated powers, if the federal government did that, it would be one third the size and probably not even that big. And it would be a lot less intrusive into our lives.
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Yeah. And again, and maybe what we ought to do before the next go around, Steve, for the next election, because we’ll have one here in 2026, we should probably come up with and maybe they’re out there already. But I think it’s something the three of us could come up with a list of those questions whereby when a candidate starts to run, I’m doing interviews, for example. People are out and they’re door knocking and so on. And this candidate shows up at your front door. We ought to have a list of really quick questions as to, you know, what do you believe in? What do you think about this? What do you think about that? And give those tools, I guess, to what I’m asking. We should we should come up with a list of those questions as tools for our people listing where they can ask these candidates those questions.
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Yeah, you know, two of them would come to mind right off the bat that you hear from AOC and Bernie Sanders, which is, so do you actually believe that health care is a human right, and what part of the 18 enumerated powers allows that in the Constitution? And secondly, there’s a conversation in the socialist world about a universal basic income here again, and or even social welfare programs. Which of the 18 powers enables that, and why? And if you can’t explain that, you shouldn’t be running for office.
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No, you know what? You just, and again, that is really your expertise, Steve, on that end of things. And I’m serious. We before now and probably, I don’t know, this time next year as things really start ramping up, you know, candidate-wise, because it’ll really start getting heavy about this time next year, even probably a month or two sooner. So we’ve got a few months to work those things up. We really should do that. I can get those up on the website. People can ask a candidate, any candidate, those questions. And frankly, if they don’t get the right answer, they shouldn’t be voting for them. Yeah, you can have him in on the show. I’ll help you answer the question. That would be awesome.
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Well, yeah, and the issue here is that people need to learn to differentiate between what is the law, what is in the Constitution, what is the actual rights and role of the government versus what you feel is morally and ethically correct in a civil society. You may believe that people should have access to health care. that that’s what a civil society does. But that doesn’t make it the law. That doesn’t make it the role of government. It simply doesn’t. As Steve said, that is nowhere in the Constitution. Neither, by the way, is education. You don’t have a constitutional right to an education. That simply does not exist. If you want to make that amendment to the Constitution, then propose it and get it legislated. But it is not part of our Constitution. So people need to be educated. And part of this is our education. The fact that we have so far deviated from anything that resembles civics in school. They’re spending too much time teaching gender studies and social justice. And people don’t know civics. People do not know the Constitution. People should know the enumerated powers. God knows people who are running for government should.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Steve, I know you’ve got to run for a family event. Go ahead. I’ll give you the last word, then I’ll let you go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the interesting thing is you’ll hear people on the left say, well, Donald Trump firing a bunch of federal employees is unconstitutional. Well, it’s not at all in the Constitution. It may be codified in law at some level, but it’s not in the Constitution. On the other hand, Kelly’s right. There’s no federal Department of Education in the Constitution. Almost all constitutional structures around education are state-based and state-only based. Right. I don’t even know why Linda McMahon is still there. I like Linda, but there shouldn’t be a federal Department of Education. It has nothing to do with the Constitution. Absolutely.
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I’ll let you go with that. Steve, as always, appreciate you, man. Have a good one, sir. You too. Enjoy your family time. Dr. Kelly, again, yeah, I mean… The reality is, and I got a question that just came in for you along these lines as well, but, you know, Steve is right. I mean, the reality is we have so much overreach of government, and the problem is, as you know, that, and I always say it this way, government is like a church committee. Once it gets established and going, you never can cut it back. That thing exists because it’s this old saying of, well, we’ve always done it this way, so we’ll just keep doing it. We’ve got to change that mentality.
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A hundred percent. And people, as I said, it starts with people being educated and really understanding so they can get their emotion out of it. And they can say, well, it’s not in the Constitution, but I think it’s the right way to be. Great. Then you can advocate for that in your state. Most of these things, as Steve said, should be at the state level. Certainly education should. You know, health care should probably be adjudicated at the state level as well. But it’s People need to be educated about it. And in general, I think, you know, rules to live by is smaller government is better government. The bigger the government gets, the less efficient it becomes, the more overbearing it becomes. And the more of your civil liberties you will give up. That is the reality. And, you know, and that’s how you end up at the far end of the spectrum. The totalitarian government is where the government is all controlling. And we are getting dangerously close to tipping the scale to where, you know, you obviously don’t want anarchy, which is one end of the spectrum where you have zero government. The other end being totalitarianism. But there’s that balance in between. And unfortunately, republics and democracies tend to last a couple hundred years. We are coming up to our 250th anniversary of this republic. And the question is whether or not we can keep it going. And it isn’t going to keep going if we slide any further to the left.
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A question just came in asking, given the fact that we know all of what we now know about COVID and the shots, the quote-unquote mRNA shots and so on, given the fact that really right now there’s no reason, we talked about this even last week, no reason to even be giving them out right now, period, given where COVID is at right now. But with all that being said, why is it the FDA continues to push and authorize you know, these shots. And the question is, is that something that RFK Jr. is working on? Does he have any sway in that? Do you think he’ll do anything along those lines? What are your thoughts there?
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Yeah, unfortunately, and clearly, there’s no question that personally, that Bobby Kennedy Jr. would love to get those shots off the market. Do I think he has the authority or the ability to do it? No, I don’t. The pharmaceutical lobby is simply too powerful. The FDA is continuing to make inexplicable decisions. Marty Macri made the decision to authorize the mRNA COVID shot for, quote, at-risk infants, which is insane. We know that children are at fundamentally zero risk from COVID, particularly now that it is mutated to such a mild variant. The idea that we would give these shots to anyone, let alone an infant, is unconscionable. Unfortunately, I have gotten to the point where I think it is unlikely they will ever be pulled from the market. There’s too much money to be made. I think the best we can do, and what Bobby Kennedy, I hope, will continue to work on as long as he’s at HHS, and it remains to be seen how long he stays, is that to push against ever having a mandate again and to continue to expose the myriad harms that have been caused. We just had a new study I know that we bandied about between the three of us, John. Now another study on COVID side effects showing that COVID mRNA shots have a profoundly negative impact on the eyes. They destroy more than 8% of the endothelial cells in the cornea of the eye. Those are non-reproducible, non-renewable cells of the eye. Those are the outer coating of the cornea that’s responsible for keeping it clear and keeping your vision. This study looked at subjects before they got the shot and then looked at their eyes again 75 days after they got their second Pfizer shot and showed, as I said, 8.4% of those non-renewable eye cells were destroyed.
SPEAKER 05 :
And really quick, I want to make sure that we’re clear on this because I’m reading that right now. That’s in just 75 days. So keep in mind, and we don’t know, Dr. Kelly, that could continue on. That’s just 8.4% in 75 days, so just a little over two months.
SPEAKER 04 :
That is correct. And what people need to understand here, there are certain organs in the body that have renewable cells. For example, you can get a horrible skin burn, skin damage, and your skin can renew itself. Same thing with lung cells, colon cells. Other tissues are not renewable. The brain, for example, if you destroy part of your brain through drugs, alcohol, stroke, or trauma, That isn’t coming back. Your heart, if you have a heart attack and part of the heart muscle dies, that is not renewable. It doesn’t grow back. Same thing with these eye cells. They are not renewable. Once they are gone, they are gone. You cannot regrow them or get them back. They’ve been damaged completely. So this is a huge problem. And it just adds to the myriad, you know, the growing list of harms that people have suffered. Everything from blood clots, heart attacks, stroke, myocarditis, autoimmune issues, cancers, and now eye issues. It is time, long past time, that these are pulled off the market. Do I think it will happen? Unfortunately, I am not seeing indication that it will. And so the best I think we’re going to get, as I said, is an elimination of any mandates and continuing to expose the harms so that people at a minimum are informed.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Dr. Kelly Victory. Dr. Kelly, I was going to add one thing, too. You know, you were saying a moment ago that, you know, we just need to make sure we keep pushing back. We keep talking about and exposing all the different things that are going on, especially with the mRNA vaccine. We do it here on our program. But for those of you that don’t have a large… you know social media presence or you don’t have a radio show or anything along those lines dr kelly they can still look up a lot of the factual data that we give out on a routine basis this study for example will be in my show notes later tonight you guys that are listening you can go click on that link have that ready these are the things dr kelly that you can talk about with your friends your family your neighbors and do it in such a way that you’re not trying to be this weird, wild conspiracy theorist, but really give factual data as to, hey, did you know, and then lay out what they may or may not know. And if they come back with, well, how do you know that’s true? Well, guess what? Here’s a copy of the study.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And I think that that’s if you can just have a few, you don’t need to be a zealot about this. You can say, look, I just listened to a show and I understand there’s a new study now showing that there’s eye damage related to the mRNA vaccines. We already know that there’s heart damage and blood clots, autoimmune issues and an association with cancer. And on top of that, when’s the last time you heard of anybody getting Sick, so sick that they needed to go to the hospital with COVID. Seriously.
SPEAKER 05 :
When was the last time? Three years? Yeah, I can’t remember, Dr. Kelly. It’s been that long.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, correct. It’s been that long. COVID is here to stay, just like rhinovirus. You know, common colds are here to stay. We are never going to get rid of them. They mutate too quickly. The great news is that COVID has done exactly what I said it would do. It has become more contagious and less severe, okay? It’s out there like all I mean, the thousands of viruses that are out there. Can somebody who’s immune compromised with cancer, you know, elderly or on immunosuppressive drugs because they had an organ transplant? Can that person get covid and get very sick? Sure they can, just like they can get, you know, influenza and get very sick or RSV and get very sick. There are people whose immune systems are debilitated and they can get sick. But the vast, vast majority of us, the other 95% of us, are just fine, and you cannot vaccinate your way to good health. So the best thing you can do is not get another ever. If you got one, don’t get two. If you got two, don’t get three. There’s no reason for anyone to get another mRNA shot. at this juncture. You can make decisions on other vaccines on a case-by-case basis. I get asked all the time about the shingles vaccine, whether or not you should take that. Those are case-by-case. I’ve got strong feelings about some of them. But with regard to COVID shots and mRNA shots in general, the reality is, like it or not, So that technology, mRNA, is not for prime time.
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Well, by now, we would think that most people would know what that mRNA stands for and what the difference is between that and a regular shot. But Dr. Kelly, I’m not sure. It’s almost become like Kleenex. It’s just a common name now. And I’m not sure that a lot of people, if they weren’t listening to us during those early years of COVID, probably don’t know what mRNA really is and the delivery system. Do you want to cover that for a second?
SPEAKER 04 :
Sure. In the most simple terms, previous what you would call traditional vaccines are you would give somebody an injection of a little piece. an inconsequential little harmless piece of the thing that you wanted them to develop antibodies to. So whatever it was, you’d take a virus or a bacterium and you’d take a little piece of it, so a piece that isn’t capable of producing disease, and you’d inject it into them so that when the body sees that in the future, that little piece, they will mount an antibody response. mRNA, this was very different. Rather than injecting a piece of COVID, then you want people to create an antibody too, we injected the genetic blueprint, the genetic roadmap or instruction manual that told your body, you start making this piece of the virus in your cells. Make the virus in your cells and spit it out, and then you’ll develop antibodies to it. So they created this mRNA. They gave your cells the roadmap to make the spike protein, to make the very part of the virus, COVID virus, that was the dangerous part. And they gave every cell of your body the instruction manual that says, start creating this toxic thing. Now, your body will see that toxic thing and create antibodies to it. That’s a good thing. The bad thing is there was no off switch. There’s no way to tell your cells, okay, that’s good. You can stop making it now. You can stop. We got the antibodies. You can stop now. So instead, every cell in your body, when you get this shot, is creating in perpetuity this toxic spike protein. They’re spitting them out over and over and over again. And that’s why people are getting blood clots or having all of these problems because the spike protein is toxic. You don’t want every cell in your body. And when I say every cell, I mean your heart, your lungs, your brain, your colon, spleen, liver, everything. is making spike proteins. And this is a real problem. And they have no idea what’s going to stop. We know now that upwards, you know, two plus years later, people are still creating spike proteins if they got these shots. This is a disaster.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I’m assuming, and again, these are things that we have talked about over the years, but like anything else that is DNA related, I’m assuming that because not everybody is equal, in some cases, these have a lot more adverse effect than others all based upon your own dna and by the way that dna could be different from you and your wife or you and your kids or you and your brother in other words as you know we’re not all equal thank god we’re not all equal but given that we all respond to these things differently am i thinking correctly
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, and there’s many, many other variables. We know that there was tremendous variability in the vials themselves. There was huge batch variability, John. We know that about 80% of the really bad side effects, including death, were associated with about 20% of the total lots of vaccine. That is horrible quality control. They have no idea. I believe, personally, that part of the problem was that the vaccines were put in 10-dose vials. In other words, when you went to the doctor, a vial of the COVID vaccine had 10 doses in it. So you draw up one dose and give it to you, one dose and give it to the next guy. Think about that days when people were going to the parking lot. That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, we watched them here. There was a bus just parked in the parking lot down here below the station. Charlie and I could look out the window and watch them go in and out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Do you really think that the people who were given those shots in those in those centers had been well trained in getting vaccines to make sure that that the first nine that that bottle was well mixed and that the first nine people didn’t get fundamentally what was on the very top and the last guy got everything that it settled to the bottom?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I don’t believe that, Dr. Kelly. No, no. And again, not to be too critical of the medical community, but we watch some of these things. And I’m not trying to be a jerk here, Dr. Kelly, but I watched some of these individuals that were even giving some of these, administering some of the doses and so on. And I just thought to myself, yeah, no, that’s not for me. I’m not letting that happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Great. John, think about this. OK, we are supposedly we’re supposedly in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. Everybody’s going to die. This is so so bad that everybody’s got to get this this vaccine because we’re all going to die. And they’re handing out paper slips with handwritten dates and what your lot number was on it. That’s the system?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that was the system.
SPEAKER 04 :
That they used?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that was it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Really? I mean, just let that sink in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Which, you know, really quick, going back to our initial discussion of the doctor and now, you know, basically being led off by, you know, the DOJ right now. There were a lot of folk out there, Dr. Kelly, that because of one reason or another, because they had to have it to go do this, to fly, to go here, to go there, there were a lot of those slips you just mentioned that were not authentic, that were being copied from somebody else. There was a whole underground system of delivery of those things, and a lot of people, and what I’m getting at is there was a lot of people that did things no different than that doctor did.
SPEAKER 04 :
Of course. And why wouldn’t there be? You know, it was it was frankly laughable what they were doing. And the idea that anybody bought into it as serious, you know, truly. I mean, it was laughable when you think about what they were doing. No serious individual would have approached it this way. Right. OK. This was so. Yeah. There are so many unknowns and so many variables in this. We will never really know, John, just what portion of the population has been vaccinated for COVID. It’s believed to be about 80 percent of the American population took at least one shot. Right. But that could be off by by. Many, many because early on, as you said, many people had a reason to lie about having been vaccinated because they wanted to go to school.
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That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or attend an event. So many people had a reason to say I was vaccinated when they weren’t. Now, fast forward. A lot of people have a motivation to say they are. weren’t vaccinated when they were because they don’t want to feel stupid or they don’t want people to think that they fell for it or they want to get a date. And there are people concerned about being in the presence of somebody who’s vaccinated or being intimate with somebody who’s vaccinated. So there’s now motivation to lie the other way. And God only knows the record keeping was horrific. Certainly the government doesn’t have any record of what happened or what didn’t. People are walking around with a crumpled up piece of cardboard in their back pocket or their wallet. Half of them are fraudulent or have smeared handwriting or somebody made a human error and wrote the wrong lot number. Who the heck knows? This truly will go down in history as one of the worst public health responses for so many reasons. But the vaccine portion of the program was perhaps the worst of it.
SPEAKER 05 :
So in closing, got a couple of minutes left here in closing. A, let’s hope this never happens again. But B, what do you feel on the nefarious side? Because I do believe there’s a lot of things going on that were very nefariously done. driven in other words this was ultimately good versus evil i believe that wholeheartedly this was not about saving people’s lives and health care anything along those lines there was an agenda i and this is not conspiracy on my part i firmly believe there was an agenda here what do you think those folks learned and what would they do different the next time given the fact that you and i both know they’ll do this again
SPEAKER 04 :
And they certainly learned that fear was very, very powerful and a brilliant way to control people. It was stunning just how quickly people were willing to give up their civil liberties, how quickly people were willing to… absolutely allow the government to control where they traveled, you know, whether they went to a wedding, a funeral, whether they worked, whether they had dinner with their family, whether I mean, it was amazing. People were wearing masks, standing six feet apart, doing whatever they were told to do within a matter. I mean, it was so they learned very quickly that families and they’ve tried since then, you know, they’ve run up the flagpole, you know, monkeypox, bird flu, you know, it’s a, every 15 minutes or something else that we need, you know, now it’s screw worm. We’ve got, you know, the next thing, if there’s always something. So they learned that. And I think they learned very quickly that you could pit people against one another because they did, they pit, pitted families against one another. They used the whole virtue signaling as, you know, as a, powerful cudgel to control people and it will happen again if you let it happen again uh and all i can do is suggest that people listen to the people who got it right the last time okay be very very cautious follow your common sense if it doesn’t seem right if we’ve never done this before uh you know i used to say to people do you remember us ever doing these things before yep You know, we’ve had other pandemics.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
But we’ve never done this before. We’ve never shut schools and demanded masks. And, you know, this made up idea of social distancing. Why are we doing it now? Why are we disallowing people from speaking? Why are we shutting down deep platform doctors, scientists? This is when something, you know, seems awry. It probably is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep. The time flies by so quickly. We never have enough time to get everything in. Dr. Kelly, I am very thankful, A, for all of you, for you and Steve Boat, but what you’ve done over the past five years. Again, I always say it, but I mean it. We are indebted to you. You have helped so many different people, myself included, and I get comments from listeners all the time, and I appreciate all you’ve done. I do truly believe that we have… kept that whatever that number of unvaccinated is. I think we contributed to that number staying as high as it is, by the way. And it had not been for folks like us doing what we did. It probably would have been a lot lower.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree, and I appreciate the platform, as always. I think we should have a town hall, a live town hall. Oh, I’d love it. You and Steve and me, we should get together and have a live event, because I think it would be great if we could celebrate those people who have been courageous through this whole time. Absolutely.
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I will work on that. I will do that. Dr. Kelly, thank you very much. Have a great rest of your day. And, yeah, we can work on that. I would actually enjoy that. That would be a lot of fun for all of us, you guys listening as well. Vector Windows and Doors is next. Don’t forget, they’re looking to help you with Windows and Doors, given the fact there might be an energy code change, an Energy Star rating change coming the first of the year. Find out how that would work for you. Talk to Dave today. Vector Windows and Doors, KLZRadio.com.
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