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In this episode of Drive Radio, the team tackles listener questions on hard-to-find truck parts, electrical issues in homes and vehicles, and the challenges of modern auto technology. Should you keep your classic Tacoma or upgrade to Toyota’s new turbocharged model? Plus, expert tips on U-joint repairs, CV joints, and the evolution of brake systems. Callers share their best car wisdom, off-road stories, and the age-old question: Fix it or trade it? Tune in for another gearhead-packed episode!
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Good morning. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it very much. We’ve got, of course, Steve Horvath from Geno’s that stayed on with us from Fix It Radio. Good morning again. Thank you, Steve, as well. Patch Knight joining us as well, coming down from up north, I should say. That’s it. Thank you. All tech automotive up before calling. So thank you, by the way, guys. I appreciate it very much. It’s a very nice day out today. So if you’ve not been out and about, get out and about because it’s really, really nice. It’s going to be a super nice day tomorrow as well. Let’s go right to the phones. We’ve got lines open, by the way, 303-477-5600. Ken and Bertha, go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, so am I too late for the fix-it part?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, we’ll still take a call. Absolutely. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 17 :
Oh, good, good. So, you know, I live further up north, and so some of your people on your website wouldn’t cover my area.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 17 :
But anyway, I have, in remodeling my own home, I’m doing it now because we intend to sell it. We bought it in 2010, but I’m doing it now. I’ve uncovered an electrical issue that I’ve talked with a friend of mine that has done electrical most of his life, but he’s done air conditioning, not like wiring. And anyway, it’s over my head, and I’m just scared that if I just randomly pick somebody online, I could turn a $300 problem into a $3,000 problem. How do you choose a qualified person?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a great question. And typically those of us that are around, and Pat’s got a name of somebody you can call up in your area, usually in our world, Ken, we just know people. In the case of like Steve and Pat, they both probably have folks that they work on or work with, fleets and so on, so they get a pretty good idea of who’s solid and who’s not just based upon that relationship. If not, I will be straight up honest, for everybody listening, this gets really dicey. Because Google reviews, by the way, especially when it comes to folks around the house, aren’t always accurate. They can be loaded up. They can be very inaccurate. They can be sometimes third parties that are actually hiring out as subs all of the work that you may get done. The Google reviews might look fabulous, but the reality is you’re not even dealing with the person that’s coming out to actually do something. said work so best thing to do on that can is a ask around find out from others who they used who do they like and so on and i’ll be honest with you this is something where typically speaking and i’m not exaggerating you can usually call any of the folks that we’re associated with on the automotive side and if it’s plumbing electrical or whatever call one of the shops and say hey who do you use and who’s local that would work on my stuff and most likely they’ll give you a really good name because they work on their vehicles as well that’s exactly right we’ve got a guy there you go
SPEAKER 04 :
So really quick, Ken, we’ve got a guy. Go ahead, Pat. You can give it out. Sure. Okay, thanks. So, Ken, the guy that I’m going to tell you, his name is Patrick Hornig. It’s H-O-R-N-I-G from PH Electric. I’m in a business networking group with Patrick. We’ve worked on his vehicles, and he’s done electrical work at our shop. A great guy, very honest. He’s a young man, and he’d be happy to take a look at your situation. He’s in Fort Collins, Loveland area, so just a little bit north of you.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, that’d be perfect. It’s just I’m driving. How can I get this name after? I don’t have a way to write it down.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what? Do this, Ken. Just text me. I’m going to go ahead and write this down. Pat will give me the info. In fact, what I’m going to do to make it really easy is I’m just going to take a picture of what Pat’s got on his notebook. And if you text me, I’ll just give you the name. I’ll do it that way. Make it easy. Perfect.
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And, you know, I should pass on what this is because, you know, there may be other people that have the same issues. And I’ve done a lot of research on it. But anyway, I bought one of those instruments that you can plug into your outlet, then go to the circuit breaker box, and it tells you which circuit breaker to cut off. And it makes me cut off two. And according to Google, there’s two possibilities, and that is either somebody inadvertently hook two neutrals together that shouldn’t have been, or they put the ground screw in too far and some amperage is going back through the ground.
SPEAKER 03 :
Could be either one of those. Yes. No, you are correct on that. Yep.
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And Patrick is a good detective.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’ll be able to take a look at that. And also, Ken, part of that for what Pat just said, a real electrician, not saying you’re not, but they’ve got a higher – it’s like us in the automotive world. You can go buy a scan tool off of the Internet that will give you some basic information. and different things along those lines. But if you really want to get to the nitty gritty, you’ve got to get some of the higher end, you know, $10,000 plus scan tools to really figure out what’s going on on the vehicle. Electricians are the same way. While you’ve got what you have, they will have items that are much more sophisticated and can search that out better.
SPEAKER 17 :
And, you know, maybe just to help anyone that has this, the scary thing is, according to Google, it is not that it would just naturally cause a fire. We’ve been there 15 years, no problem. If you overload a circuit, it won’t shut off.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 17 :
Because there’s two that need to shut off.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’ll shut off one, and so then you end up with a fire.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re correct.
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So anyway, yeah.
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You are correct.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s why I want to fix it. I don’t want to sell a house with this problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t blame you. Good for you, by the way. And again, Ken shows the caliber of individual you are by saying that. A lot of people wouldn’t say that. They’d just say, yeah, let the next guy worry about it. Exactly. No. It’s nice to make things right. Yeah. Okay. All right, so text me a little bit, Ken, and I’ll give you that info.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. All right, man.
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Appreciate you very much. Thank you very much. John and Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hey, guys. 80 Chevy, three-quarter ton. I broke the U-joint and I think the yoke on the left front axle shaft that goes from the wheel to the diff.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
LMC truck, not even on their website. I was going to call them, but I don’t think they’re going to have something that old. I went to Car Dash Parts, and I find a lot of them, but it seems like when I call, because all of them say call, then they don’t have it. Any other recommendations?
SPEAKER 05 :
I was thinking there’s a couple of driveline places that could do something for you. Take what you have and maybe make something.
SPEAKER 11 :
Do you say pull the old one out, take it to a driveline place?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m not sure they’re even going to be able to do that on that axle shaft, John. This is going to be more of one where you may have to do some matching up. By the way, that’s going to be hard to find. I’ll just tell you that straight up because that’s a unique shaft for that particular truck. Is it three-quarters ton or one ton?
SPEAKER 11 :
Three-quarter.
SPEAKER 03 :
Three-quarter ton would be a little easier. Yeah. But I’ll be honest, again, because those haven’t been made in so long, you’re literally going to have to take the entire shaft, not just take the stub shaft with you is what I’m saying, so take both with you to make sure that you’re getting it correct because the splines have to be the same, the length has to be the same, all of that. Right, right. You might try a drive shaft shop just to see if they’ve got any recommendations of where one might be kicking around, but you’re most likely going to have to find one out of it. If somebody’s got one in a housing, by the way, they’re not going to sell you that because they want to keep the housing intact. They’re not going to sell you one out of the housing anyway, so you’ll have to find a loose one anyways.
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So, John, I know you’re in Cheyenne, so you’re a little bit north of us, but we could help you in our shop in Fort Collins. That’s Alltech Automotive. But I also have a great driveline shop, which is in Garden City, Colorado, called Northern Colorado Driveline Service. Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Where is Garden City in reference to Fort Collins?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, that’s a great question. I thought they had a place in Greeley. Oh. So it would be a little bit east of us.
SPEAKER 11 :
You know, that’s an hour drive. The one I did find that when I called the guy, he said he had just sold it on eBay, was in Brush. And I was going to take that, and that’s like a three-hour drive.
SPEAKER 03 :
And really quick, did you look at eBay? I see several on eBay right now as we speak.
SPEAKER 11 :
No, I didn’t. I just went to Cardash Parts.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m looking right now. There’s three or four listed on eBay. Some are fairly reasonably priced. Others are not. I think I’d go to eBay next. There’s new Spicer units on eBay right now. Just confirming that.
SPEAKER 11 :
How do I tell the difference if it’s the – when you go to Cardash Parts, there’s two different front ends, and I think this is just the stock one. But how would I tell the difference on a front axle?
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Take a picture of the cover and send it to me, and I’ll tell you what it is. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t have any other way to do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a good way to do it. That’s the fastest way to do it. Just send me a picture of the front cover, and I’ll tell you if it’s a corporate style or if it’s a Dana 44, because it could be either. I’ve been doing this a while, John.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sorry? John’s been doing this a while, so he’s got these images stamped in his brain. I did a lot of those back in the day, yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I go back with John to his Cahow days.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Oh, fantastic. Fantastic. So you guys are friends. Yeah, send me a picture. I’ll tell you what it is, John, based on that. That’s easy.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the driveline shop that I mentioned, John, they’re at the intersection of Highway 85 and Highway 34, which is right downtown Greeley.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I know right where that is. Sometimes when there’s an accident on the interstate and I’ve got to go to the airport, I’ll take 85.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because the other reason why I want you to pull this out too, John, is even if you find one of these and it’s the right front end and so on and they show it listed that way, I would even on eBay say I want the measurement center of yoke to end of shaft. I want to know what that length is to make sure we’re the same and count the splines.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Okay, sounds good. And then the last question, if I can find one on the Internet, it’s going to be old.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, these are, well, on eBay, these are brand new. What? Yep, these are brand new. This is probably old stock. This is probably old Spicer. Old new stock is what they call this, and I’m looking at a new one right now. Just never been sold. Yep, and never got sold originally.
SPEAKER 11 :
If I find one there, a new one, I’ll buy that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, frankly, John, if I could buy a new one, period, that’s what I would do also.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, okay. around Fort Collins. There’s not one in Cheyenne I know that a machine shop or something that would press a new U-joint into it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m sorry, I’m not aware of that either. Say that again? Looking for a machine shop that might press a U-joint into it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You don’t need anybody. A vice and a hammer is all you need. I can walk you through that as well. You don’t need a press. In fact, far too many mechanics think they need a press and all they do is screw it up when they use one. Yeah, it’s over. It’s worse, actually. Yeah, I know. I mean, again, doing those literally back in the day in my sleep, John, you don’t need a press. You’ll screw it up with one.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, because I’ve done that on old Army jeeps when I was fixing Army vehicles in the Army, and we pressed bearings, U-joints in and out of that with a vice, two sockets, and a hammer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, all I use typically is a vice and two ball-peen hammers.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, we use two sockets and just pushed one into the other and if you do it correctly You don’t need any socket if you do it my way Okay. All right. I’ll get that picture. I’ll get it off to you sometime.
SPEAKER 03 :
Send it off, and then when it comes to changing it, if we need to chat on that, I can walk you through this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Can we go to school right after the show here?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s pretty easy, really. I can’t tell you how many texts over the years I would watch struggling with something, and I’d say, hand me that thing for just a second, would you? And pay attention, because I’m only doing this once.
SPEAKER 05 :
How many times have you dropped that little… roller bearing in there and it gets on the wrong side and you break it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You have to do that a few times. And the key to that, and I would think most people would know this, but you’d be surprised how many technicians didn’t, the key to not dropping pins is pack it full of grease first before you start on it. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We learned that one. All right, John, thanks.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re a Batman. Appreciate you. And I did find a few of those also. I had a good friend of mine text in as well, and I know you’ll still get this, John, is Randy’s World also has some of those hard-to-find driveline parts also. So if you don’t find this on eBay, I think we’ve got other ways we could make this work. In fact, if you send me even some of the measurements of that and you can’t find these on eBay, I’ll do some work for you as well. But, yeah, changed many of those out. Back in the day, and especially guys that put chains on the front end. That’s typically where I would end up putting in axle shafts because chains on the front end make that. It’s a work truck. Yeah, but when you chain the front end up because the front end differential on those trucks is way lighter than the back end. Right. You put all that load on the front end, and that’s when it snaps axle shafts and so on. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, if you chain the front end, you’re saying you chain all four?
SPEAKER 03 :
You should chain all four. You should not just do the front end.
SPEAKER 05 :
Back in the day, guys would chain just the front end.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I remember that. Wrong way to do it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think if you’re putting chains on the front end, you’re in the wrong spot.
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You need to go home before it snows. All right, we will be back in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all joining us, by the way. You can call in 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. Text line 307-200. 8222-307-28222. We appreciate you guys calling in on anything you need. By the way, we just got done talking to John about, you know, axle shafts and things like that. And, yeah, that’s on an older vehicle. And a lot of the, well, even the newer trucks, they’ve got a similar design. But now we’ve got axle disconnects and things like that that change everything. a lot of that around. But yeah, in a lot of cases, there’s still the heavier trucks using an actual, you know, axle joint instead of a CV joint, which a lot of, you know, front-wheel drive type vehicles and others use. And so, again, at the end of the day, there are still U-joints getting, and driveshafts are still using them. So it’s just one of those things that, frankly, as a technician, you would think one of the first things a technician learns coming out of school or whatever they’re doing is how to put a U-joint in properly. But you would be Surprised.
SPEAKER 05 :
I wouldn’t teach them that yet. They’d only do it once in a great while in their life. Right. You know, it’s become almost a lost art.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Back in the day, you did them daily. Literally back in the day, we did them daily. I’m not exaggerating. More than one a day. I mean, in that day and age, it wasn’t much to do several a day. But you were in a four-wheel drive specialty shop. I was. So that was kind of your clientele. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Yeah, and like I just said a moment ago, there’s a lot of folks that will get scared to death of even a CV joint, and they’ll want to send that off. And frankly, as long as the pin – and it’s hard to explain this on air – but as long as the pin coming out of the main shaft that the CV and everything is attached to where the ball goes, because there’s a ball inside of the CV joint – As long as the pin is good, I can go buy the joints and the kit and everything and redo it, and it’s not that big. Even though it looks all convoluted and complicated, it’s just a – It’s greasy, yes. It’s kind of like a Rubik’s Cube. There’s a process, and if you do it the right way, it’s very easy to actually do. It’s really not that difficult.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and we used to replace joints all the time, boots and joints. Oh, yeah. But what’s happened to us, too, and it’s like anything else – You can buy a whole axle that comes completely rebuilt and comes with a better warranty and things like that. So in a way, you know, the market drove it that way. It’s a little bit of a horse apiece, right? But, you know, we used to turn a lot of rotors back in the day. Now we end up replacing. So things change so much.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, everybody had even an on-car lathe for the longest time because you wanted to keep everything even. Mine’s still shaking and shit. I was going to say, when’s the last time you drug it out? It’s at home. You probably keep it just for that one off in case you ever needed it, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
No. I just don’t know what to do with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because they don’t have the value they once had, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, they don’t have any. I mean, really no value. But you hate to throw it away. But what do you do?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll get you something older than that because I was going through even my own shop. And between my dad and uncle, they’ve collected things over the years, and we’re kind of winding some of that down because of my dad’s care and so on. So I actually have in my home shop – Two devices that most young technicians have never seen in their life and probably some older techs have never seen. I actually have an old Sun distributor calibration machine. Nice. Where you can calibrate the vacuum advance and the mechanical advance and so on. So I have one of those. And I also have a brake shoe re-arc machine. I’ve seen them. I have one. That’s pretty cool. I don’t know that I’ve even seen one. You actually, back in the day, you would actually, this is going to freak people out. But back in the day on some cars, you bought shoes, lining. You didn’t buy all of the metal and everything that went with the brake shoe. They were riveted on. You would take a drill and you’d drill out all the rivets. You’d take the old lining off. You’d make sure that the face was nice and clean. And you literally re-riveted. the lining back onto the shoe itself, onto the metal part of the brake shoe. And because you were doing that, they needed to be arced so that they had the right curvature so that they would actually brake correctly. So not just one point was hitting, but all of the shoe did. So I have a machine that re-arcs those to where it grinds part of the shoe off to make sure that they’re truly arced.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wonderful. I think the new techs coming out of vocational school aren’t really even aware of drum brakes. What’s a shoe? I’m wearing them.
SPEAKER 05 :
You give a new tech a rear brake job, you know, drums, they’re out there for hours.
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s a brake shoe?
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m wearing them. Poor kid. I mean, I feel bad for him. But you kind of let him kind of figure it out, you know, and then you show him some tips. But it’s hard on those poor kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
It is. It’s a great learning experience.
SPEAKER 03 :
And first, the tip is when you’re putting everything back together, put the little cup springs on the shoe first. Don’t worry about the big springs, but let’s get the thing on the backing plate first. And don’t take both sides off at the same time. Yeah, but in case you’ve got to go look, you can. Or take a picture, one of the two. With cell phones and cameras and things today, you make that a lot easier than back in the day. We didn’t have that. You only did one side to Steve’s point because it was really complicated. You could go look at the other side and say, what did I screw up? But yeah, these are things that you’re, I guess I can tell you how old I am. Because I did things that most of these young techs today wouldn’t even – and I’m not that old to where there’s even stuff running around that’s even from the 20s and 30s that I look at at times. I’m like, holy cow, what is that? Our parents’ generation. Right. Yes. I look at some of these things that even my dad and uncle drag out, and I’m like, okay, I’ve heard about that, but how does that actually function? And then once you kind of look at it a little bit, it’s like, okay, I get how the principle of that works. Yeah, sure. But, yeah, to your point, Steve, I mean – Well, let me ask you guys this. Is there a vehicle made now, because Tacomas for the longest time ran drum brakes and they went to discs in the rear. Is there now any vehicle with drum brakes?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, theoretically they do. The rear e-brake shoes are in a way.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s true. Good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
But actual shoes and drums, is there anything made with shoes and drums now? It would have to be on the less expensive end of things, but I’m not aware of one.
SPEAKER 03 :
I can’t really quick. I can’t think of one.
SPEAKER 05 :
And we go back to the day where they didn’t have front brake rotors and they were all drums.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, my old 68 Buick Grand Sport has drum brakes on the front. It’s all around. Yeah. Drums all the way around. And you haven’t wanted to put rotors on it. No, because it’s still an original car. And frankly, for all intensive purposes and how I drive it and so on. And a couple of summers ago, I went all the way to Brecken back all the way down the mountain and stuff. And, you know, honestly, didn’t have a problem. Those old Buick, you know, fin drum brakes on the front worked fabulous and really had no issues driving it that way. So, yeah, absolutely no problems whatsoever. And you understand what you’re driving, so you’re going to drive it responsibly. You drive that car. You don’t steer it. That’s right. New cars, I’ve always said that. A new car, you steer. An old car, you drive. Yeah, all of your limbs are working. Correct. So it’s way different. All right, let’s take a quick break. Jeff, hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think the advice I would give is plan for me, the me now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 09 :
Look down the road and say, okay… You know what my advice to myself would have been?
SPEAKER 03 :
Be more patient.
SPEAKER 09 :
What’s that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Stuff will work its way out. Just be a little more patient.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that is actually… That’s a good…
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s my advice now for myself. Yeah, because I can look back, Jeff, on things where it’s like, you know, if I would have just been a little bit slower with that and not pushed maybe so hard on X, things probably would have worked out a little bit better.
SPEAKER 04 :
So are you actually saying that you’ve acquired this skill and you’re practicing this now?
SPEAKER 03 :
I do a lot better now than I did when I was 20. Let’s just say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Fantastic.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I should have done a better job when I was 20. Wisdom. Love it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, regarding the oldest thing in the shop, I don’t put a mirror out there because I don’t want to see myself when I go out. So that’s one of the oldest things I have. But I also, when I was in the 70s, I took a correspondence course. I can’t remember the name of it. I’m not out there. I still have some of the old books. But it’s one of the automotive correspondence courses you could get. And the tools were pretty cheesy a lot of times, but they were adequate for a job with your shade tree mechanic back then.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I still, when you were talking about brake tools, I still have those brake tools for replacing drums. Yeah, I do too.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know why. I probably, I don’t know. Well, I still have some old cars where I could theoretically, you know, use those on, so I still keep them. In fact, I have, like every technician, I have more than one. Mm-hmm. And people would say, why? Well, because you never know when the one was going to get broken, so you always had two, right, Steve? With me, I ended up losing one. Then I would find it. So then you find it, and now you’ve got two. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. But the most useful thing I think I have out there are two model C-Jacks. My mom gave them to me, and they’re not usable for anything. I mean, you know, the way they work, you can only lift it up once. four or five inches was just put under the axle just enough to get the wheel off the road. But I just don’t want to get rid of them because it’s a tool. I don’t know who to give them to. I don’t know what to do with them. I thought about making lawn art out of them, but it’s one of those useless things that collects because you don’t know what to do with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, and I’m kind of running the same thing with some of the old stuff that we’ve got, you know, that my dad and uncle have collected for years. And my uncle and I, this last week, we’re kind of going through some stuff in the shop trying to decide, you know, what do you do with this? What do you do with that? And the problem, Jeff, is for all of these things, as you know, there’s even a window of opportunity to even sell and dispose of some of these items. Because I hate to say this, in some cases, the longer you wait. Yep. the market of who actually would want said item gets smaller and smaller to where then it’s really hard to get rid of said item. So for all of you listening, there is this window of time for a lot of things, cars included, to where if you’re going to move something, you need to make sure you do it in that window of time. Otherwise, it’s hard to get rid of stuff. And you end up throwing it away. I hate to say it that way, Jeff, but you end up throwing it away.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you’ve talked about that in the past in certain collector cars. I mean, some will be around forever, but certain collector cars are – a hot commodity now and not later. That’s correct. The timing on that is going to be important. And 100 years from now, will we even have hydrocarbons out there to fuel them and replace oil?
SPEAKER 03 :
Probably not. Probably not would be my answer.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s going to be kind of the equivalent of the old Stanley Steamer vehicles.
SPEAKER 03 :
Could be.
SPEAKER 09 :
Could very well be. You can run them on wood.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I’ve always been one, Jeff, that has said that all these greenies that run around, they’re worried about oil and this, that, and the other. I mean, reality is if you just… Going back to my advice to my teenage self, be patient. Things will typically work their way out, and the reality is so will that industry. Now, will we always need oil for something? I do believe, Jeff, that we will because of plastics and so on, and I don’t see really anything like that ever going away. But on the same token, something could come along that gets invented that supplants that where that’s not as big of a need as it is now. And I’m with you when it comes to vehicles themselves. Will something else come along in 100 years to where – The need to put in diesel or gasoline is no longer there. Yeah, I think you would be very – let me just say this. I think you’d be very unwise to say otherwise because, yes, technology will change like it always does.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, if you’re going to have a Mr. Fusion, like Back to the Future or something.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jeff, I mean, I don’t want to sound, you know, outlandish here, but literally in 100 years, we could have small reactors in every car that are generating electricity or something along those lines that’s driving. I mean, who knows, Jeff? I have no idea where things are going to go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And one of the interesting things is a whole host of people out there, I mean, you know, Lots of universities and individuals and companies and think tanks are looking at ways to get carbon dioxide out of the air. And folks view it as a pollutant. Greenies view it as a pollutant. I view it as a feedstock. I mean, there’s a whole bunch of things that you can make from carbon dioxide. And there’s a whole bunch of catalysts out there of various nanomaterials that they’re using to turn it into methane, which then is a feedstock. for making different hydrocarbons. There you go. There you go. In 100 years, I’m thinking that we’re going to say, why were we so short-sighted as to… limit the amount of carbon dioxide that we generate because look what we could do with it now if we had more.
SPEAKER 03 :
Can’t argue that. I think that’s a great insight. Yeah, I can’t argue that at all, Jeff. I think, yeah, your bottom line, again, for all of those that maybe are on that side, you know, just be patient. Things typically work their way out. And my other piece of advice is follow the money. What’s creating this hype? Because the reality is typically it’s not what you think it is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, typically… Well, and that goes back to the fall of the money.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER 1 :
100%.
SPEAKER 09 :
There you go. So let’s see how much climate activism exists in the next four years as the funding sources dry up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s a conversation in and of itself. Absolutely. Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
So anyway, thanks, guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good one. No, Jeff, appreciate it very much. All right, so good friend. I’ll say who this is. Dave Hart, he’s my roofer. He’s an advertiser here as well. If you need any roofing stuff done at all, by the way, give Dave a call. He’ll, Johnny on the spot, take care of you. And his advice to his young self, don’t sell a classic truck to pay for a wedding. By the way, good advice. Don’t ask him how he learned that one. And I think here’s the bottom line. Guess what? You can get married without having fancy weddings, and the reality is that classic car, unlike the wedding, continues to appreciate in value where that money spent on the wedding is just money gone.
SPEAKER 04 :
Are you saying the wedding fails to appreciate over time, John?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I’m saying that the cost of it does. Ah, okay, okay. Not the wedding itself. We’re on thin ice here, brother. And there’s a difference between wedding and marriage. Wedding is the involvement of the marriage. The marriage is the marriage. And you can do that no matter how. That’s right. You don’t need the ceremony for that. Yeah, you do not need all of the pomp and circumstance to have a good marriage when it’s all said and done. I think there’s many a person out there that would vouch for that one, by the way, unfortunately. Mark and Wiggins, you’re next. Hey, good morning.
SPEAKER 10 :
I can vouch for that. My wife and I got married on Horsetooth Reservoir for like five people and 30 bucks.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. Fantastic.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’re proving my point, Mark. Yeah, we’re still chugging along. We have our issues, but who doesn’t?
SPEAKER 03 :
Uh, everybody does. You know, it’s funny. I get, I get comments during the week where I’ll have a text message or something and somebody will text and say, John, you know, I have one little issue with you. I usually agree with you like 90% of the time. I’m like, so in other words, this is a lot like my wife and I, cause we don’t agree on everything either, Mark.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I was thinking about like, what, what kind of advice would I give? And the patient’s one is good. But the other thing that really popped in my mind from my own experience was, you know, I, I, uh, was, um, I had to make my own ends meet by working a job and pay my own insurance and gas and whatnot, but I had a 1987 Subaru wagon. that I’d like to off-road it because I was a knucklehead. And back then, we would go sledding in the middle of the night on Breckenridge Peak 8. And so one night I decided, you know, it’d be kind of cool to see, you know, they had these Subaru commercials back in the day where they’d drive up the ski hill. So I said to my buddy, hey, let’s go drive up the ski hill. And he’s like, yeah, right, that’s not going to work. You’re going to get stuck in the parking lot. Well, back then they had this ramp from the parking lot to the ski hill. So I just drove straight up the hill until the snow cats started aiming their lights at me. And I’m like, oh, we should probably head down the hill, you know. And then my buddy’s like, well, how are we going to stop? I’m like, oh, I hadn’t really thought of that one. That’s good. And, of course, the tires just kind of sank into the snow, so it was no big deal. But my advice would be don’t off-road your own vehicle, whether it’s your own truck, your own car, just don’t do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know, my advice on that would be if… As long as you don’t need that for your daily driver, knock your socks off. Believe me, Mark, back in the day, Pat was talking earlier, had two off-road shops and so on. Even then, I was like, what some of these guys do with their daily driver on the weekends, I would never do because you still need that daily driver.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’ve got to go work Monday.
SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you. Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, my vehicle, that vehicle got totaled. Somebody just totally smashed into me one day in a parking lot, unfortunately. And so my vehicle after that was, well, I guess I could almost call it a dream vehicle. I would have owned it until this day had I not wrecked it when I was visiting my sister in Leadville. It was a 1979 GMC short box with the four-speed granny gear.
SPEAKER 03 :
That thing’s worth a fortune today.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have up a wall with that thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it’s worth a fortune today, by the way. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I love that truck. It was baby blue. And I still have some pictures of myself in high school with that thing. And it was a sweet ride. But I do have two questions. Yeah, go ahead. One referring to that email I sent to you about the 1986 C30 truck that I have.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
That I cannot find on this planet a power steering reservoir bracket. And I’ve gone, you know, I’ve called the dealer. It doesn’t exist.
SPEAKER 03 :
I spent an hour looking yesterday as well, Mark, so I believe everything you’re saying because I could not find one either. And I know what they look like, and I could not find one.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yes. Yeah, I went to the car part website, and they stated that they had the reservoir, and it looked like pictures of brackets. And I called the recycle centers around the country, and every single one of them that texted me back pictures, the brackets were already gone.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so here’s what I’ll do for you. And I didn’t think about this yesterday. I still own one of those trucks. I will take a picture of the bracket and send it to you. Perfect.
SPEAKER 10 :
That would be so helpful because then I have a better idea.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I forgot yesterday I still have one of those. So sorry, I’ve got a lot of stuff going on in my world right now, and I forgot I still have one of those I have to sell off at some point.
SPEAKER 04 :
You said it’s an 86C30?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and mine’s not an 86, but the bracket will be the same. Mine’s an 80, Mark, but the bracket will be the same.
SPEAKER 05 :
So do you think that you could just manufacture one?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know how special it is.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think you could. Just build one with the specs.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because I don’t know if that makes a difference.
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s that, Mark?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s not a 454.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, so mine’s an 80 with a 454 four-speed, but that part of it didn’t change at all. It’ll be the same.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, okay, because I found some. It looked like it was going back to, like, 1969 through 72-ish. Yeah, that worked.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a different style, and the Hydro Boost even wasn’t the same. You’ll need, like, a 73-up bracket is what you’ll need. Correct.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, got it. Well, one other question, if I’ve got time. Sure, go ahead. My Yukon had what I thought was a parasitic drawl, And, you know, I watched all these YouTube videos on how to figure out, you know, doing a multimeter with milliamps and chase these things around. And in the process, I took it to Napa. I thought, you know what, let’s just have them run a simple test on it and see what they say. And he couldn’t get it to test with the leads on or the cables on. So he disconnected the cable to… Tested it. It tested, you know, low, probably 350, 400 cranking amps. So, you know, not the 800 that a new one would have. Right. Well, interestingly, when he reconnected the battery cable, it seemed like the draw stopped. And, you know, it didn’t have the starting issue after that. And so I took a poem, I’m like, what in the world could be going on here? There’s always a reason when it’s man-made that there’s a man-made sex. And so I thought, you know, maybe there’s a stuck relay. So I started watching relay videos and how do you troubleshoot that? was like a nightmare trying to you know some of these guys like south main auto trying to figure out how do you figure this stuff out um without that ten thousand dollar you know scandal that you’re talking about but what i did find was um this uh i think they call it a bus so the fuse box is I think detachable in this rig. It is. And so I was frustrated in the moment because I did not sleep until 6 a.m. this morning trying to figure this out. So I was up all night trying to scratch my brain, figuring out like, well, I’m not rushing these guys to figure it out in no time, but I can’t seem to figure it out for anything. So I put the cover back on, and it made a click. And I was like, well, hold on a minute. What was that? And so then I rechecked the battery, and it seemed like the draw was gone. I couldn’t see the voltage dropping. And so I started it. It started fine. uh pulled it out sat like 10 20 minutes while i was listening to klz at three in the morning and uh and let it go into sleep mode everything shut off and then you know half hour later well i didn’t fall asleep in the car um it fired right back up and i thought okay maybe just maybe that was the that was the fix and then i you know hours later found a youtube video of a guy that said he had done a swap of this particular engine into, like, a Camaro or something, and that was the problem, that it was not the relay. It was that that whole piece had not fully seated back into its little home. So my question is, you know, you’d mentioned in the past about using, like, a smart charger or, you know, a maintainer charger that can shut itself off so it doesn’t overcharge itself, but… My question is, can you undo damage if you disconnect the battery for long periods of time in a vehicle without many computers? No. I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 03 :
No.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I mean, you quote-unquote charge them back up, and you put a battery back in and get them lit back up again, you’re not going to hurt anything. I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 05 :
One trick on finding that relay that’s still running is if you get yourself like a thermal camera, and if you can look at that, you can see the hot relay, and that will help you at least eliminate that.
SPEAKER 10 :
I saw a guy do a video on that, and that’s pretty slick to be able to see. I mean, I’ve got the little IR thermometer, but that wouldn’t be able to identify through a thermal camera. That would be a different indication. So that may be on the Christmas list this year.
SPEAKER 05 :
Nice. It’s amazing the things you can use that for in diagnosing. And around the house even. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, for like cold drafts in your door.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 10 :
You name it. Awesome. Thanks for the answer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mark, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Jeff, up in Steamboat, hang tight. We’ll come right back and get your call. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, we are back again. Don’t forget, Steve from Geno’s Auto Service with us. Pat Schneid from Alltech Automotive with us up north as well in Fort Collins. Jeff in Steamboat Springs, you’re next.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, hi, guys. I know Steve knows me, but we haven’t been down very lately because everything’s okay. Good.
SPEAKER 05 :
We need those stretches in our lives. We need those stretches where we don’t have a lot of problems, especially car problems.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, God knows that’s enough of the other ones. Also, I haven’t met Pat yet, but our son takes the expedition there. He’s in Fort Collins now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, fantastic.
SPEAKER 08 :
So we’ve got all the guys there today, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s awesome. Well, thank you. Yeah, thanks for the reference.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, you got it. They always do. And I tell people that live down there in those areas to go to any one of the shops that are on your website, so. And a lot of them have, so that’s good. Hey, I just wanted to give a recommendation or a comment about the Napa store here in Steamboat and how nice and accommodating they are to an old fart like me and my wife. And just, you know, they closed the advanced auto parts store here, and so those guys have gotten a lot busier. Gotcha.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nice.
SPEAKER 08 :
Still good service, and I would like to tell this one shop up there, up here, that they should join your group, and I don’t know if they have or not.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ve not heard from anybody, but that’d be nice to have somebody up that way. I would love it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Anyway, I hope you guys have a good day. It’s nice up here. A little too crowded to ski today, so we’re going to wait until tomorrow.
SPEAKER 03 :
I hear you. Well, Jeff, as always, appreciate you, man, very much. Thank you. Yeah, you too. You bet.
SPEAKER 08 :
What a great Saturday I always have when I get to listen to you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thank you. We appreciate you, Jeff.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I haven’t called in a while, but that doesn’t mean I don’t live there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I appreciate it very much. Thank you. Enjoy your weekend. Yeah, thank you. No, I appreciate that. Jeff, you’re a great guy. I appreciate that very much. Okay, Paul, let’s at least get started here. I don’t know if we can get your whole question in before we go to top of the hour break, but let’s at least get started. Paul and Lafayette, go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I have a 2013 Tacoma pickup, midsize, you know, with a V6. And it’s been very reliable, and 55,000 miles is all on it. But I was looking at new ones, you know, with the new warranties and all that at Toyota. But they only carry, I think in 23, they went only to a four-cylinder with turbo.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I see some controversy on the web about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s correct.
SPEAKER 07 :
Nissan Frontier has one with a V6. I just wanted to get your opinions about the reliability of these new ones with the four-cylinder turbo versus the V6.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’ve been struggling, and I will tell you that straight up. And I get text messages from folks on this quite often to where even folks that are at dealers and so on, they are still struggling. It doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t. buy one because toyota’s a you know very strong company they will still stand behind you know that particular vehicle and so on the downside is nobody likes being without a truck i think on it yeah exactly even to get a 10 year extended warranty on it i believe i guess the question for you mainly paul would be with low miles on that 2013 why change
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m just concerned that something’s going to go and everything’s going to go.
SPEAKER 03 :
Drive that thing to 300,000 miles and not worry about it. I don’t normally say this, Paul, but that’s one where with that low of miles and sounds like the little bit that you drive, I wouldn’t waste the money. It’s 12 years old.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t even put 5,000 a year.
SPEAKER 07 :
But if something goes out, it’s like, what, thousands of dollars for a transmission or radio?
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re not going to have it in your lifetime. I’m not joking.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s not going to happen in your lifetime. The other thing to realize is that most independent repair shops kind of have a 20 or maybe even a 25-year line, and you’re well within that.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you’re going to have parts and repairability for quite a while.
SPEAKER 03 :
You are fine, Paul. Just making a popular car like that. That’s right. Keep driving it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but when you get a chance, if you discuss more about the V6.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, hang tight. Let’s do this. We’ll just keep going. Paul, let me put you on hold. We’ll take you as soon as we come right back from the break. And I appreciate the call very much. We’ll be right back. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 13 :
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