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Whether you’re considering selling your cherished classic or are on the lookout for your dream car, this episode guides you through the complexities of buying and selling with confidence. We cover how Worldwide Vintage Auto provides a seamless transaction experience, ensuring prospective buyers are verified and cars are meticulously evaluated. Learn about the benefits of signing up for their exclusive VIP list, which offers early access to newly listed vehicles and insider tips on securing competitive financing options.
SPEAKER 21 :
Being an expert on general automotive knowledge, what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four barrel carburetor?
SPEAKER 18 :
It is a trick question.
SPEAKER 21 :
Watch this.
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A Chevy didn’t make a 327 in 55. The 327 didn’t come out till 62. And it wasn’t offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till 64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top dead center.
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Get ready for another hour of Drive Radio, brought to you by Colorado Select Auto Care Centers. Got a question for the experts? Then give them a call, 303-477-5600. Now it’s time to pop the hood and get our hands dirty. Drive Radio on KLZ 560, The Source.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Hour 2, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us, by the way. We appreciate it. Pat Schneidt joining us. Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service as well. Jim joining us from Worldwide Vintage Auto. Jim, welcome. How are you, sir? Hey, good. How about you? Doing very well. Appreciate you joining us. And I was over at you guys’ place a couple of times here in the last week or so. And as always, you guys have a great lineup of cars and there’s things in the showroom and so on. But do you have anything you’d like to highlight?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, you know, highlighting. I mean, we’re just, I called in and talked about the consignment program a little. It’s been a really busy week in the classic car business with Anik and Kissamy going on and Barrett Jackson kicks off next week. A lot of people don’t think about January as being probably one of the busiest classic car months in the country. We had a great sales week and just kind of going along. We’ve got some nice cars down there. But, yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
So talk to us about how, and I know because I’ve got some cars with you guys right now that we’re working on, cars from my dad and so on. But talk to us about how all of that works. And I don’t want to explain it. I want it to come from you guys, from the horse’s mouth. But if somebody out there is listening to where, let’s talk about the sell side to begin with. So let’s say they’ve got a car they’d like to sell. How does that work, Jim?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, you can just give us a call or email in at worldwidevintage.com. But how that works, we will check out your car, and we’ll talk to you about it and kind of figure out your goals and your plan with it. And then we do a full market research on the car and kind of try to set some pricing that’s sensible and that’s going to get that car sold for you. And then from there, you would just bring it in to us. We’d take a look at it. If you’re out of state or far away, we can do this online. So we would just ask for a lot of pictures and details. And then we’d get your car in there. It goes through a full service inspection, really just a safety check. We want to make sure it’s fully operational for the next person in line. And then we list it, and our goal is to sell your car within 60 days. Gotcha. As far as cost goes, there’s no upfront fees on it. It’s all settled out once the car is sold. Yep.
SPEAKER 12 :
And, again, I can attest to that, and you guys make it very, you know, streamlined. I know it wasn’t just because of me it’s streamlined, whether it’s me or somebody else listening. And what I mean by that, everybody listening, even if you’ve got a situation where maybe you’ve got a car that you’ve had for a while or you just inherited the car and, Maybe it’s not licensed and all of that. Jim, you guys have ways of even picking that car up on a rollback and getting it down to your place, making it really seamless for the owner of, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. Yeah, we have a full transportation service, full staff that takes care of that. We ship cars literally all over the world. Yep, yep.
SPEAKER 12 :
You make it very seamless, so I can attest to that. And for everybody listening, too, I’ll just say it’s a – It’s an easy process. Works very well. Everything’s up front. You really know where you’re going with things on the front side of it. You get to have a choice in all these things as well, Jim, as you know. And you guys just make it really, really seamless. Now, let’s switch over to the buy side. Let’s say somebody’s on… The website, which, by the way, give everybody a little tidbit. If you go on there and sign up for the VIP access, you get a day ahead of everybody else on what’s coming out on the weekend. So, Jim, I would advise everybody to get on the mailing list and get that on the front side because there’s a particular car that you’re looking for that gives you a little bit of a heads up on everybody else that’s out there. But on top of that, Jim, I also know that if people are looking for a particular car, they should call and tell you guys because you may be looking at that car next week.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely. We’re constantly looking at cars. We’re constantly looking for cars. Yeah, and we have 320 cars available right now. Awesome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, so buying it. Let’s say somebody’s looking at a car, and maybe they found a car, but maybe it’s just a tad out of their budget, maybe what they’ve got saved. Do you have the ability to help them with the funding of if they’re maybe a little short on having the total amount ready to go?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, yes. Yeah, we have lenders in-house that we can work with and direct you to. And so, yeah, we can handle that, definitely. So, yes, there is financing available for classic cars, competitive rates through Lightstream and JJ Best and numerous sources. So, easy to do. And then if you work with your own credit union, a lot of times you can also get loans. For classic cars, and we can provide services for that. We can help walk through that deal. We can get appraisals done for you for the credit unions and the lenders. So, yeah, we have it all in-house. So buying a classic car is very convenient through us. And if you’re out of state, if you’re out of country, like I said, we provide full shipping service. And we have a lot of happy customers. We sell over 1,000 cars a year consistently.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. You guys do a great job. Again, we’ve had a good partnership with you guys now for several years. And we’re looking at doing, for all of you listening, we’re looking at doing some cars and coffee events maybe this spring and summer. So we’ll be up there with you guys doing that. No, I appreciate it. You guys are great. You’ve done a great job for me personally, for all of you out there listening, whether you’ve got a classic car that you’re looking to sell or there’s something that maybe you’ve always wanted to own but didn’t know where to look, I will tell you, go to Worldwide Vintage Autos. Find them on our website. There’s a direct link. Just go to drive-radio.com. You can find them there. Jim, I also would add into this, too, that it’s not just the classic car end of things. If somebody has just a… Unique vehicle. It might be even something more modern, but it’s unique in that it’s not your average everyday daily driver. So maybe it’s a Hellcat Challenger, for example, or a Hellcat Charger. You’ll take those types of cars and sell them as well, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely, yeah. If you look at our website now, we have a newer Trailhawk Jeep that has the supercharged 6.2 liter in it. You know, various cars like that. Yeah, I always say if it’s cool, bring it. Okay. Because we want to look at just about everything that’s, you know, there’s new cars that are collectible too, future collectibles. There you go. There you go. So we definitely work with that. And I’ve been with the company a number of years and moved into consignment recently just to kind of help because we want to push that program. We’ve got a goal. We’d like to consign 50 cars by the end of February. Wow. So that’s a push for us. So if you come see us now, we’re going to get you the highest value for your car. Basically, the hope of it is the service is almost free to you. So we’re pretty sure we can get you what you want. You don’t have to have people come into your house. Thank you. You don’t have to deal with people.
SPEAKER 12 :
Steve and I were talking about that prior to the show today, Jim. I mean, the ease of this to where you’re not having to deal with all of the tire kickers, looky-loos, do they have enough money? How do you know they have enough money? When they bring the money, is it good? I mean, all of those things go away when they use you.
SPEAKER 08 :
exactly and we proof everybody before you know we i mean test drives happen but you know the test drives that happen are verified buyers right and so it’s just really safe another thing to think about is title transfer the problems you can run into you know the problems you can run into to today with that we’re experts at it we’re licensed bonded dealer here in colorado and that’s not an easy task to become a licensed bonded dealer here in colorado So, you know, there is a reason to use us, that’s for sure. And we’ll make it very convenient for you. You know, come on down to the showroom, check us out. I mean, the showroom’s open five days a week. It’s a non-pressure situation. So you can just walk in, you sign in, you get to walk around the showroom. You know, it’s like having a car show right here in Denver. It is. No, literally.
SPEAKER 12 :
Again, I’ve been down there several times in the past couple of weeks, and I end up spending more time than I probably should because I’m always dinking around looking at stuff. But it’s a great facility, and you guys do a great job, Jim. Yeah, dangerous place to come.
SPEAKER 08 :
It is. It is. We’ll still get home with a car. Some of the cars I would highlight. There’s a really pretty blue 44 Coupe down there right now. Yes, there is.
SPEAKER 12 :
And a nice Corvette on the showroom, by the way. Vintage Corvette on the showroom right now. Red and white. Very beautiful car. That thing is beautiful.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, that’s kind of funny. And then next week I’ve got a special. There’s a 70 Chevrolet Camaro that’s been LS swapped with a six-speed transmission and, you know, so more of a resto mod. And that’s going to go on sale next week. So check that one out on the website, a 70 yellow Camaro. And then if you get down there, make sure and check out the Coyote converted Bronco that’s sitting on the showroom floor. That’s something incredible to look at.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, even on the website, I see you have an 84 Toyota van, which I think is the other end of the spectrum. It is. Do you remember those? Yes, I do.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, I do.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dare to be different. Yeah, I think that’s pretty cool.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, and that went back to my point a moment ago, Jim, about how if it’s a unique vehicle, you’ll take it, look at it, and most likely sell it.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that VIP list, we sell a lot of cars off of that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Very cool.
SPEAKER 08 :
I tell you, we started that, I want to say, seven years ago. There’s 50,000 people now in this city that get an email every Thursday. That’s all you get is the email. Yep. And you watch it, and if you’re watching for a certain vehicle, it might pop up. And you’ve got the opportunity ahead of time to buy it before the general public if you simply put your email address in. You know, it gives you that ability. And, of course, they’re discounted on the VIP, too, because our marketing costs, of course, are just high, and we market everywhere. There’s not a place that your car won’t be if you bring it here as far as marketing goes. That’s awesome. Yeah, so anyway. That’s awesome. It’s a good program. It’s a fun place. Come check it out. And we’re professional. I mean, we don’t have problems. We do our best.
SPEAKER 12 :
You do. You do a great job. Again, Jim, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. We’ll send more folks your way. And thank you for all you guys are doing, Jim. I appreciate it very much.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, for sure, for sure. Yeah, you guys be safe. We will. You too, Jim.
SPEAKER 12 :
We appreciate it. All right, we’ve got a caller waiting on hold. We’ll come right back to that. A question on a diesel motorhome, which we’ll take up in Casper. Hang tight. We’ll come right back to you. A couple lines open, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today on this snowy… Actually, it’s still starting to come out, though, but it’s still snowy out here in the Front Range area. All right, call coming in from Casper on a motorhome. Go ahead. We’ll see what we can do to help you.
SPEAKER 11 :
Hi. This is Miss Houston up in Casper, Wyoming.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nice, nice.
SPEAKER 11 :
Last time I talked to you, I had my Ford Aspire was having trouble. We did resolve it. It was not the… converter it was the um battery okay all right um my question today is on a allison uh cummins diesel boy georgie boy pursuit motorhome okay the transmission and the engine have been replaced and repaired okay But I have maintenances such as the brakes would be not doing good. The windshield is completely shattered on that model. Do you have any resources on how I can determine cost effect and whether that’s a good buy?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let me start with this. What are they asking for it? $7,000. Well, here’s what I will tell you. Probably not a bad buy given that you could remove engine and transmission and probably, well, not probably, you could get your money back out of just those two things alone, not counting anything else that you might be able to remove from said motorhome and sell it. Now, I will say this. I think the seven’s a little high. I would try to buy that for around five.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay? And at five, you can’t get hurt.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because even if you put the windshield in it and do a few things to it, you can get that back out of it all day long.
SPEAKER 11 :
What I was worried about is that model you can’t find any windshield for after you’ve gone through all that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Have you talked to Troy up there in Cheyenne on the windshield? He does a lot of big truck motorhome type stuff at Novus, and maybe he can do a windshield in that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
And he’s got a brand-new shop. In fact, I think they’re going to do an open house up there next week, I want to say. He’s opening a brand-new truck glass facility right off of 80 and 25, kind of right there in the corner there. So call Troy at Novus and see if he can’t help you out on that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Fair enough. I know motorhomes weren’t yours for today, but…
SPEAKER 12 :
No, we can handle that. We talk about these all the time. And again, I think on the windshield, here’s the thing. If Troy can’t do it, he can at least tell you who might be able to. But I can tell you this much. If anybody can, he can, because that’s what he does. He does a lot of that kind of work.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. And I think he also, quite frankly, wouldn’t be a bad person to just say, here’s what this thing is, because he does some of that type of work and is around enough of those vehicles and so on. Ask him on the price as well.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Troy would know. Tell him you heard us here. We were talking to you. He knows. He can handle that.
SPEAKER 11 :
Novus, Autoglass, and Cheyenne.
SPEAKER 12 :
And Cheyenne. Ask for Troy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
Thank you very much. You’re very welcome.
SPEAKER 12 :
Appreciate it very much. John and Cheyenne, you are next. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, I’ll throw a vote out. Troy is a great guy. He’s done the last three or four windshields we needed on our vehicles.
SPEAKER 12 :
And he’s got a brand. You may not have known that, John, but he’s got a brand new facility they’re opening up next weekend.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s over in what they call the Swan Ranch development. There you go. So if you’re going into Cheyenne and you hit the three truck stops, it’s south of there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, right before you would hit 80, you hit three truck stops.
SPEAKER 12 :
If you’re over there at the Loves, I don’t think you can miss it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you get off there, and you go back to the south on the west side of the highway, and that’s right where he is.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
So, just road heads up, I just dropped my wife off at DIA. Okay. So, the road, I-80 was a mess, as always. But they had the speed limit down to 50, and, of course, half the truckers out there, without the experience, think they can go 75. I’m just hoping it stays open until I get home. Get home, you know what I mean? Before somebody wrecks and they have to close it. But the question of the day, yeah, and the other thing, my wife and I counted between the time we got on 25 from 80 and the time we got on the toll road There were eight vehicles wrecked in either the right shoulder or in the center medians on I-25. Wow. One was on its side, and just looking at it and being an old fart like I am, it was all, I would say every one of those was going too fast for conditions last night.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep. That would be my guess. Agreed.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, I always say this to people when they’re saying, well, why do you drive slowly on the ice and snow? And I say it. Because my life is not worth the 10 minutes I’m going to save.
SPEAKER 12 :
Can’t argue that one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I heard your… I can’t remember his first name from the Fort Collins shop. The road was good until I got to on the other side of Buc-ee’s and then it got a little worse. North of Harmony wasn’t bad until you got north of Wellington and then of course There’s not enough traffic on that stretch of road today to keep it warm. But, John, what you were saying, best snow story?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I guess I was in my house three or four years. We had a big snowstorm, and I couldn’t drive up to the house, so I was going to walk. And this was the story. I had to walk up. It’s about a mile. I’ve done it probably 200 times. But this was before I got a set of snowshoes and I had a post hole. up the hill, and that right now is why I have a pair of snowshoes and a pair of trekking poles in the back of my truck.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s a great story. Good for you. Much less effort.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, gosh. One time I had to go down, and we had just gotten new fresh snow, and I cross-country skied down, didn’t realize that it was going to be a straight uphill climb going back up, and that wasn’t fun. So that’s when I went back to the snowshoes. It’s a little more effort, but yeah, going uphill on cross-country skis, it’s done, but it’s hard work. It’s a workout.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I can only imagine.
SPEAKER 06 :
Unbelievable. John, all these years you’ve never cross-country skied?
SPEAKER 12 :
Nope, something I’ve never wanted to do. Not on my bucket list at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, because it’s so much fun. I’ll give you an example. We were up in Steamboat at the beginning of the week. And the lift tickets were $279 for a one-day ticket. The best Nordic Center and Steamboat was $30 for the day.
SPEAKER 12 :
Quite a difference. That’s crazy.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s one of the reasons. And then we went up to Steamboat Lake, which is $10 for the car for the day. And they groom it like twice a week on the trails they have in your state park. It was really nice. And then just to throw out, I don’t know who this guy is, but he’s on the road from Steamboat to Clark. He’s an old rancher, and he grooms his pasture for cross-country skiing, and all he asks is you don’t do any damage. And he lets you do it for free.
SPEAKER 07 :
Fair enough.
SPEAKER 06 :
What kind of great person is that just to do that? Fair enough.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s good for him. Yeah, sharing the resource.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and he grooms it himself, and there’s a sign there. He says, no walking on my trails, skis only. That’s pretty fair. Yeah, that’s very fair. Fair enough. And it was awesome. So, John, you guys have a great day.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, you too, John. Thanks for the update.
SPEAKER 06 :
Appreciate you. No, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yep, E470 is in really good shape. Okay, good. Good to know. John, thanks, man. Appreciate you. And I’ll talk to you next week. All right, man. Thank you very much. Good update. For those of you that are out and about, be safe. Questions, we’ve got answers. 303-477-5600. Got a lot of text questions that came in as well. One of them really quick being, Toyota dealer is telling you that there’s lifetime fluid in the vehicle. We hear that all the time. No, it’s not. Well, I mean… I guess they quote-unquote call it lifetime fluid, but no, it’s not. Yes, they still need serviced. I’ll explain when we come back why they do some of the things they do. I had this conversation with one of the shops I coached this last week on informing customers of theirs, how this works and why those dealers say that. I’ll come back and talk about that here in just a minute. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. This is part of the week where we stick our drive radio portion in this as well or wear that hat. And, Richard, you’ve driven a couple cars here lately. One of these that we’ll most likely replay again on Saturday is the 2025 Honda Pilot Black Edition.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. So 2025 Honda Pilot Black Edition, Dad, which is a Honda Pilot with a $1,500 appearance package on it. So it changes the appearance. And here’s the deal. That’s not to knock it, because I think that some people will like the Black Edition for what it brings, right? And the different accents and the blacked-out trim packages and trim pieces that it does give you. So that is not a knock. I’m just telling you what it is. So if you know what a Honda Pilot is, I encourage you to check this vehicle out, Dad. And it is… It is the same pilot that was introduced back in 2023 and is a fantastic vehicle, especially if you’re looking for kind of that mid-sized SUV with a… two full-size rows, right, with that third row as a kid hauler, right? And some people are going to say, oh, those don’t fit adults. Dad, I don’t think that this car should, right? And this size of car and vehicle in the market and other competitors, they don’t fit full-size adults, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I was able to drive the kids around it, put them in the third row. They fit fine. There’s still a little bit of storage. Behind the third row, which is great, the model that, again, the model that we had, you can actually take out the center console in the second row, store it kind of in the storage that’s behind the third row, you know, obviously in the trunk space there. Right. If you don’t want that, and that gives you a little bit more real pass-through, but if you don’t want to do that, you can have a really great storage space in the third row that gives you even more room for groceries and some other things, and so if you’re okay with people Kind of sneaking in, you know, as you slide the second seat forward and you don’t need them to sort of pass through the middle of the second row. This is the, you know, it gives you the ability to do that. Price-wise, Dad, on the Pilot, starts anywhere from about $41,595 for the Sport Edition to this Black Edition that we drove, which is about $56,130. Fuel economy is $19,025. We were able to average about $21,022. The acceleration and stuff, Dad, this is, you know, it’s got a 3.5-liter V6 engine. I believe it’s got a 10-speed automatic transmission, which runs really well. Is this going to blast anyone off the line? Nope, but it’s not meant to be, and I’m not knocking it for that. Relatively quiet on the inside. Got a lot of the creature comfort that you want on the inside. I’m not going to give everything to everyone on that. You can go kind of look for yourself of what you’re looking for. But, Dad, you’ve driven pilots in the past, and you’ve driven the newer one, and it is a great option for that midsize SUV market.
SPEAKER 12 :
Solid vehicle. I get people all the time that ask, you know, I’m looking at this versus that. And this is a particular vehicle that always comes up in the lead, if you would, Richard, just because of its known reliability. By the way, its resale side is always high. I mean, at the end of the day, Richard, it’s a Honda SUV. You can’t go wrong.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, exactly. And Honda, again, lots of reliability, right, Dad? And it’s got great visibility. Yes, at our altitude, what I love a little bit more, there are some different competitors out there that have got some different engine options, yes. But for the value, Dad, where you’re in the mid-50s, so you’re sub-$60,000. For an all-wheel drive, mind you, this is an all-wheel drive vehicle, it’s really hard to beat. So I would encourage folks, head to your local Honda dealer, test drive it, and if you’ve got kids, and Dad, I know this part, next part, you don’t care about, but if you’ve got car seats, folks, I can tell you that car seats will fit in this car, and they fit in relatively well and easily, and I encourage you to go out, put your car seats in these cars, because the last thing you want to do is buy a car,
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you listening. Okay, why do, in this case, I’ll pick on Toyota for a minute, but it’s not just Toyota. A lot of the manufacturers will also do this. Why do they tell you no need to handle, you know, no need to change transmission fluid? It has, quote, unquote, lifetime fluid. They’re doing that because, number one, the factory is really teaching and training the dealership to not push some of these service sales on purpose. Because if they can lower their overall total cost of ownership, TCO, it gives them a leg up on the competition. When somebody’s out trying to compare a Camry to a Malibu to a Ultima to a whatever… They will then go out online and they’ll look at total cost of ownership reports and they’ll compare a Camry to a Malibu to a whatever. Do people really use that? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. They’ll use it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
You’d be surprised.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re saying less maintenance equals lower cost of ownership. Correct. Okay. And that’s what they’re trying to push on these people is a total lower overall cost of ownership. But it’s misleading. Actually, it’s lying, I think, to the customer because the reality is by the time you’re at that mark, let’s use that 100,000-mile interval where they say it’s lifetime fluid, you don’t need to do anything. Well, we all in the service world know if you let that particular item – run that long, and I know some manufacturers are a little better than others, but in general, you let that lifetime fluid run for that total 100,000 miles plus, reality is you’re going to have other problems coming out of it because you should have changed that probably already once if not twice by then. But that’s why these dealers and manufacturers do that. They’re trying to get their overall total cost of ownership down is what they’re doing. And that’s how they do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
So it’s not specifically what’s best for that vehicle, what’s best for the maintenance of that vehicle, but it’s more of a financial projection that they’re working with.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s correct. Absolutely. So what they’re really doing is… I don’t want to say it’s deceptive practices because they’ll come back and claim that, well, our full synthetic lifetime fluid will last X amount of time and we’ve designed it in such a way that it will do this, that, and the other, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you probably have a hard time ever fighting them in court over something along those lines. But we all know the real world and what those things look like when it goes that long.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and under normal conditions, which we don’t ever drive in normal conditions. Their definition of normal conditions is not realistic.
SPEAKER 12 :
Great point. So, again, bottom line is they – deceptively, in my opinion, tell you things that aren’t necessarily true. And what ends up happening then is there’s this battle between us, which we’re in the aftermarket, versus them on the OEM side. There’s this battle then of who’s right versus who’s wrong. But I can tell any of you out there listening, all you have to do is take a little bit of time out on the Internet. Go to any YouTube, other places, and start looking up what do some of these items look like. When people have let them run that long under, like Steve said, not normal operating conditions, because very few people do, and if you go out there and start following anybody at all that actually does, for example, transmission repair work and things along those lines, you’re going to find out that, no, you cannot push that transmission fluid that long. You cannot do an oil change interval on an engine at 10,000 miles, like the dealer and the manufacturer may have said. On and on we go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, like earlier this week, we’re almost in the 70s. Yeah. Now we’re looking at 10 degrees. Right. And, you know, that’s hard on fluids, and it’s hard on moisture gets in the oil, moisture gets in the brakes, brake fluid and all those things. Yes. And that’s not normal conditions.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, thank you, Steve. The temperature swings alone this week would tell you that we are in severe conditions. And again, folks, you’re going to see some of this battling, if you would, of what happens in the aftermarket versus the OEM. Now, one of the other battles that we’re still fighting, because, again, I coach other shops and talk about some of these things on a weekly basis, had a phone conversation with a service advisor this last week on, for example, oil changes and the pricing of. And the reality is, in today’s world… And I’m not exaggerating. To get a proper oil change done, high-quality filter, full synthetic, which in my opinion is all anybody should use. You should not use standard and or blended oil. And if you are, shame on you. By the time you do all of that, do a full inspection on the car like it’s supposed to be done because there’s liability on the part of the shop doing so. So all of you out there listening, by the way, that may want to just know who’s the cheapest place to change oil, number one, if that’s what you’re asking – You’re not a good customer. I’ll just say it straight up. Because you’re not looking out for the best interest of your car if you just want the cheapest price. Because in a correct oil change, it’s been this way for years. I was trained this way when I was 12, 13 years of age. If you’re doing a correct oil change, you are looking at the rest of the car. You are checking belts and hoses and fluids. Correct. In fact, when I was a kid growing up, you even lubricated door locks and things along those lines because that’s how I was trained back in the day to do an oil change properly. It wasn’t just dropping the oil, putting a filter on it, putting new in and shipping it out the door. There was more to it than that. So point being, there’s a big difference between going to a quick lube and paying one price for an oil change versus going to a high-quality shop and getting an oil change done. Which, by the way, at a high-quality shop, if you can find an oil change for less than $150… I would encourage you to take that deal, other than it’s probably not being done right, because any of the high-quality shops that are out there, you’re going to be a minimum of $100.25 to $150 on an oil change. Am I wrong, guys? We’re right there. We’re like $110 to $120. Okay. Again, now… You might find some specials. Maybe somebody’s running a special on oil on a particular month or week, or maybe they’ve got a freebie deal where they’re going to throw the labor in because they’re trying to run a special that particular month, or maybe there’s an oil filter special or something along those lines. And keep in mind, too, for some vehicles that require even a higher capacity oil, some of the trucks where you’re getting up to six, seven quarts of oil, that price I just gave a moment ago is even low because synthetic oil is not cheap, is it, guys? What are you on a quart of synthetic now? Ten, twelve bucks a quart? I would say close to $10. $8 to $10, yep. I mean, even if you go and buy it off the shelf on your own at your own oil change, you’re $8 or so, and we have to make money. So, yes, you guys are going to mark up oil because that’s how this works, and you’re taking the responsibility of the oil change and liability and everything else that goes with it. So, of course, you’re going to make some money on that. You need to.
SPEAKER 07 :
So can you address just a minute, so I know you’ve got a lot of training in this, John, but the difference between conventional oil, synthetic blend, and then synthetic, and why you are advocating only synthetic?
SPEAKER 12 :
I am one that will tell you I don’t even think regular oil should be made any longer. That should have been gone a long time ago. And by the way, if you get rid of regular oil, you can’t even have blended oil because essentially blended oil is four to one, roughly. regular oil versus synthetics. All a blended is, is you literally could take four standard quarts of oil, pour those into your car, take the fifth, if it’s a five quart capacity, take the fifth as your synthetic, throw it in, you’ve got blended oil. That’s all they’re doing in a blended oil situation is what I just said. All they’re doing is mixing it together. It is not full synthetic, and it doesn’t have that much synthetic oil in it in the first place.
SPEAKER 07 :
So at the time when vehicles that were recommended to use conventional oil, at the time they were built, that was the best thing going. So what you’re saying is we have progressed as an industry. We’ve made progress with the oil composition. And everybody now should be using what’s better than what we had 40 years ago.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think. And if you think about the fleet age of the cars that are on the road today, and this is what I try to teach my shops, when you think about the fleet age being right now 13 years roughly, it’s like 12, 8 or so. So if you go back in time and think, okay, if we go back – 13 years, that means those are 2012, roughly, and newer vehicles, right? Yep. I can tell you that the majority of vehicles, if not all of the vehicles produced in 2012, factory fill, full synthetic. Very few cars in 2012 came without factory fill, full synthetic. So if they came factory fill with full synthetic… Why would you vary that? Why would you change? And we won’t. No, and I wouldn’t either. I don’t even have my own fleet. And if you look at, for a lot of you listening, the internal components now of an engine, variable valve timing and all sorts of other things that are happening, you know, General Motors deactivates cylinders through the lifter. There’s all sorts of things that are happening inside of an engine that, by the way, you didn’t have in a 1978 Nova with a small block engine. you know chevy in it there’s so many things going on now inside of an engine that it’s so important to keep that oil clean fresh proper viscosity that’s the other thing the old timers they want to always go to a heavier oil you cannot do that in today’s world if it says you need 020 you need 020 no that doesn’t that doesn’t mean 030 that doesn’t mean 1030 it means 020 that’s what it’s required to have in it that’s what you’ve got to put back in it
SPEAKER 05 :
Agreed. And even lower now. They’re getting, what, 0.16? There’s even some 0.6 or something now, I want to say.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, it’s getting that far down. Really thin. So, yeah, super thin. They’re doing that because of a lot of the components inside of the engine that have to be lubricated quickly because things are moving. Now, we could talk about some of that in the warm-up time. I talked about that a little bit last week, but with it being really cold this weekend, I may touch on that here in a moment. Don’t go anywhere. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right. Thank you guys for listening. Appreciate it very much. Patch Knight joining us from Alltech Automotive up in Fort Collins. Steve Horvath from Geno’s Auto Service with us as well over in Littleton. And somebody said they really appreciate these cold days because we are coming in loud and clear in Lincoln, Nebraska. So thank you for listening to us all the way in Lincoln. And there’s a great question that came with this, by the way. On new vehicles, brand new, when should you change the oil? Should it be $1,500, $2,500, $3,000, $5,000? I mean, what do you do with some of that break-in oil that’s in that particular engine? In this case, it’s a Duramax or a Cummins or something along those lines. Now, that’s a different scenario. So this applies to new vehicles only. I am a fan of – and I do this with my own vehicles – I leave that factory fill-in on a regular gas engine for at least the full 4,000 miles. Because there’s break-in oil and things they’ve done with that particular product that I want to leave in and get the engine broken. On a diesel, I’ll run it out to the full 7,000 miles because your capacity is so much higher on the diesel than it is on the gas engine that, no, I don’t change it at the 4,000-mile mark, even on the diesel at that point. Now, there’s a few exceptions to this. If you’re somebody like me where you maybe buy a car and don’t drive it a lot, that car may never even get enough miles on it to do the full break-in because of condensation and things along those lines. Should you still change oil at some point? Yes. And I actually have a car that I bought that to this day it’s two years old and has 200 miles on it. I just don’t drive it. I bought it more to… see what the investment side would be versus actually driving it. And yes, at some point I will change oil on that car because it only has that amount of miles. And that’s a, that’s a little bit of an exception to some of what we’re talking about, but that’s not the norm. Most people buy a car, drive it, not a problem off you go. Now, given that though, if you’re going to be on a, you know, say 4,000 mile, 3,500 mile, you know, oil change, just make sure you’re running that factory fill out long enough to where you’re getting all that break in done and, And so on. And that’s an exception to the rule with the rest of this. But again, that’s the first oil change that you’re doing. And again, on a new engine like that, you don’t need to do EPR or anything along those lines on probably those first two to three oil changes. You’re not going to have much carbon buildup and things. uh that and that early on on a new engine you could wait till that vehicle i think even bg says you know get 12 15 000 miles on it something along those lines and then start doing your epr services and so on so for most people it’s a year down the road with your brand new car when you would start doing some of those things so bill and cheyenne you’re next go ahead hi thank you for taking my call thanks bill uh yes i have a friend that has a 2001 so you have the coma and uh
SPEAKER 10 :
She has not taken care of the truck too good. It still runs fabulously. But on the transmission, she’s never changed the fluid. I’ve tried to get her to change it before, and she’s, nah, later, later, crap. Excuse me, though. But when the oil goes out to the cooler in the front, is that before it comes back to the filter?
SPEAKER 12 :
Say that again, Bill. I’m sorry. I’m answering texts at the same time. Say that one again so I can make sure I picture this in my mind.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. It’s a 2001 Toyota Tacoma. It’s a V8. And when the fluid goes to the radiator in the front, you know… The secondary, you know, radiator, when it comes back, is it that when it goes through the filter?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it’s sucking it. So the way transmission works is it sucks out of the pan, runs through the transmission, goes out the cooler line, runs all the way back up and through, comes back to the transmission, cooler, of course, and then off you go. So, yeah, it’s sucking it up first, and then it goes through the cooler.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
So whatever screen is in the bottom of the transmission, which literally anymore, they’re screens. They’re not even like the old filters we used to see back in the day on, you know, like a Turbo 350, Turbo 400, whatever, C6, Ford, whatever. We don’t even have that type of a filter anymore. It’s literally a screen now, Bill.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right, but it’s a very, very fine screen.
SPEAKER 12 :
Not as fine as you think, but yes, it’s a fine screen. But really, it’s not doing a whole lot of anything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so when it comes back, it goes through the filter at that point.
SPEAKER 12 :
It drops into the pan. It’s going to sit down in the pan. A lot of them even have a magnet at the bottom of the pan to even take some of the metal that’s going to accumulate inside of the transmission. It’ll stick to that magnet. Then it gets picked up and goes back through the transmission.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I see. Okay, well, the thing is, I was wondering… If I could change the fluid and then put an external filter on the return line to try to catch any goop that gets picked up.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can, and some transmission replacements will actually have you do that. The downside to doing that is you’re typically cutting a cooler line, and then making all of that function properly with no leaks or anything becomes a difficult part.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I won’t have any problem doing that. Yeah, I understand that. I understand that.
SPEAKER 12 :
And as you know, and I say that because, you know, a lot of technicians even today don’t even know how to flare a line and such. And as you know, you’d need to flare the line and do some things along those lines to make all that work properly. As long as all that can be done, sure, you could do exactly what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, okay, okay. Because, I mean… The truck runs great, but, you know, if it loosens up crap, I don’t want to, you know, have to plug the filter.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I agree. I see exactly where you’re going. Yeah, that would be a good way of doing it. Sure, definitely.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I’ve put an external filter on transmissions before, and it seems to work okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no, and back in the day, it was actually really common back in the day before we had all of these electronic solenoids and things that were running on today’s transmissions, which I don’t know that I would do that in today’s world, but back on that one, you could do that all day and have no problem.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, okay, very good then. Well, proceed. Okay, thank you so very much.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re very welcome, Bill. No, I appreciate that. And so what Bill’s talking about is for years, and they still make them, and on some older transmissions, they would work fine. It’s just an inline, you know, 516th type filter. It’s probably, I don’t know, 3-inch round, 4-inch long, you know, inline filter that was made specifically for, you know, high-temp transmission fluid, and it will pick up some of that debris and things that may be coming later. Back in the day, some of the transmission remanufacturers used to require you to keep that transmission in warranty to actually put a filter on it to make sure that if there was any leftover debris and such from the cooler and so on, you were picking all of that up. I don’t think they’re doing that anymore because of the modern transmissions, although… Some of the transmission manufacturers today will require you to change out the cooler to keep their warranty in effect because there can be debris and things left behind in the cooler. So what they’re doing now is instead of putting a filter on it, they’re making you change out all componentry so there’s nothing left debris-wise.
SPEAKER 05 :
At the very least, they’re making you flush it. Exactly.
SPEAKER 12 :
So there’s not much left in there at all. So, again, things change in the industry. in every industry by the way and i think what bothers me the most in this industry is people get stuck in their ways and they’re not open-minded enough to be able to take those changes that come and then run with them because they’ve always done it a certain way that’s how they’re going to keep doing it well anytime you do that in any industry you’re going to fail because things change and it does in this industry as well all right another full hour coming your way myself pat from fort collins all tech automotive and steve from geno’s we’ll be right back don’t go anywhere drive radio klz 560.
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