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Join John Rush and his guests as they delve into the controversies surrounding the previous Colorado GOP administration. From calls for resignation to lawsuits, this episode unravels the intricate web of political maneuvers and financial discrepancies. As they discuss the actions and motivations of key political figures, listeners gain insight into the challenges and intrigues that define modern politics. Discover why Rush to Reason is committed to providing unfiltered discussions on the issues that matter.
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All right, we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course, our engineer, Todd Watkins, joining us now. Todd, welcome. How are you, sir?
SPEAKER 09 :
I am well, John. Thank you.
SPEAKER 17 :
Very, very nice having you on with us. I mentioned yesterday because I happened to listen to an interview that was done with some of the previous GOP executives. I guess I should say some of the folks that served in the previous administration, the vice chair and the treasurer. And they were on another show, a commercial. Not necessarily a competing show of ours, but another show, another station. I want to make sure I was clear on that yesterday. I said another show. It was on another station. But some people had been texting me, Todd, hey, listen in. I think you might find it interesting, so on and so forth. So I did. And what was interesting, Todd, and I’ll start with this, as I was getting text messages back in from my listeners here, I had people literally that said something to the effect of more than one. said something to the effect of, you know, we know John’s in radio, and we know you and Andy, you know, were very adamant about how clueless and dumb as a rock some of those folks in the previous administration had been. But, oh, boy, did this host yesterday prove your point in a big way because they were actually dumber than what you guys have actually been saying all along. And, Todd, I don’t have any other way to start this conversation than to start it off that way because literally they proved how literally dumb they really are.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I’m not going to argue with you. So I believe you’ll find that the former vice chair, uh, hope her defense of the, uh, it’s $140,000 discrepancy in the FEC filings. And we can just, I know a little of the background on that. If you want to go into that, that’s fine. But her defense for that was, uh, They weren’t able to hire an audit company because an audit, a very full-blown forensic deep dive audit would cost in the six-figure range. But they had to spend that six figures defending the party from the coup. Well, John, I’ll just go ahead and say it. I am the coup president.
SPEAKER 17 :
I guess you could say that we were very much a part of that as well because, as you know, Todd, I had started calling for Dave’s resignation and removal, not in a coup fashion, but I gave him a vote of no confidence about 30 days into his being chair of the Colorado GOP. So you could say that I was one of the first publicly to start asking for that. Really quick, though, before we move on, I thought this really – I don’t know if this is really a joke or not. I actually got a text message in that said, hey, I listened to you guys talk yesterday, talking about the forensic audit and so on. He says, you know, I’ve got a really cheap way of making that audit happen, by the way. And I think he said this because I can relate to this. All you really need… for somebody to do a forensic audit of those particular books, is the wife or the mother of a business owner, because those guys will go into a deep dive and find everything, including that $10 missing receipt. So reality, I mean, I know it’s kind of a joke, Todd, but really it’s not, because frankly, those particular individuals can find anything.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it needs to be found. And it sounds like, based on what I know from two years ago when the Dave Williams administration took over… is that there are probably issues with those, at least the federal filings, the FEC reporting, that goes back a decade-ish. But I mean, in defense of the spending money to actually do a deep dive audit, was to defend the party against, you know, Nancy and me. The coup. It’s funny.
SPEAKER 17 :
They always call it, Todd, and I don’t use this word because I think it’s the dumbest thing ever. They always call it a coup, and I want to make sure I set the record straight, folks. It’s not a coup. You know, a coup is a… overthrow from within using particular individuals that are planted and so on. We all know what a coup is, Todd, at the end of the day. We hear that term used. In this particular case, this wasn’t a coup. What we wanted, what I wanted, and I know what you and others wanted, was literally just a confidence vote of the existing administrators that were there, the chair, vice chair, and so on. We just wanted a vote of confidence to determine whether those people should continue on or not. That’s not a coup, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, we did what the bylaws prescribed for the removal of officers. And they turned that into lawfare and labeled it a coup. And they want to say that they can’t do their job properly because of a problem that they found 15 months before any of this started. They needed that money to sue Nancy and me. They sued Nancy and me twice, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and really quick here, for those who don’t know the timeline, let me restate what you just said. They’re saying that we couldn’t have the forensic audit at the beginning. This is when they first took over, like in March of 23, right? And they couldn’t afford that, and they’re blaming the cost of fending off the coup, as they call it. The coup was 15, 16 months later. Okay, so obviously they didn’t even know that was coming, so that excuse doesn’t stand at all. Well, they’re all knowing, Andy. Come on now.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah. And by the way… They got their crystal ball out. They knew that was coming, Andy. Right. How ludicrous, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, this is entirely ludicrous. Then, when they first came in, they accused Christy Burton Brown of all kinds of economic malfeasance.
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Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And my question was very simple, Todd, and you were there at the time. Really? Then take her to court. Prove it. Prove it in court and get your money back. Prove it in court. Put her in jail or sue her. Get the money back. They didn’t lift a legal finger because they never had a case. Am I right?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, I don’t think they did.
SPEAKER 17 :
I’m really quick, Todd. I’m going to jump in because here’s how I look at it. Knowing what they did with you and as far as their lawsuit back to you guys go, or the lawsuit initially that went to you guys, the reality is, trust me, if they would have thought something was wrong in the KBB administration, they would have definitely gone to court over it for sure. Guaranteed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, they went to court over anything. Go ahead, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, if their current… conduct is any indication of how they were then, yeah, I would tend to agree that if there was something there, they would have pursued it. And, I mean, Tom himself and Dave stood in front of the entire Central Committee and said that they were absolutely going to pursue all legal remedies to correct and claw back whatever they felt was missing that the previous administration had mishandled. And they never did. No, they absolutely never did. And I asked Dave a couple of times, if you’ve got something, you need to act on it, especially if it’s criminal. His defense was often – well, always, actually. We need the executive committee to vote on it before we go and hand this over to an investigator. And I said no. If there’s something criminal, if you suspect that there’s criminal conduct, you don’t wait for permission from your board to go do that. You have a duty to report, and law enforcement do its job. So, yeah, I’m inclined to think they didn’t have it.
SPEAKER 06 :
They didn’t have any case at all. You know, another thing that really bothered me in this interview yesterday, which just blew my mind, Todd… was that they were claiming that they had to save the party from you guys, you coosters. By the way, was your coup violent? I mean, was it like New Jersey? Did you, you know, shove police people and stuff like police members and stuff like that? Like a New Jersey mayor? I’m just kidding. But, you know, this is… They said that they had to protect the party. That was their words. Rescue the party. Yeah, that was Hope’s words. Protect the party. How were they protecting the party? Were you going after the party, or were you going after three people to simply have them voted on for leadership?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they had to defend their own worthless jobs. Thank you. We weren’t attacking the party. If you want to call this attacking, okay, fine. Fine, let’s go with that. We were attacking Dave Hope and Anna because they were doing a horrible job and they were bad for the party. We actually wanted to help the party to save the party, not attack it. So the party wasn’t going to go away. She even said that if they didn’t defend the party, there would be no Republican Party. And no, actually, the Republican Party would have gone on. And if this was failed, then I ask you, why are we in charge now?
SPEAKER 17 :
Great point.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, is there no party now? Wait a minute, I see there is a party. So I guess they were wrong. But they’re insisting, Todd, they’re insisting that they spent $100,000 to fend you guys off legally and to go out. By the way, they launched the lawsuits. You didn’t. They did. To launch these lawsuits against you, they spent $100,000 all to over $100,000. Thank you, John. I’m sorry. I was being too kind. Over $100,000 all to supposedly protect the party when all they were trying to do was save their own butts.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, they paid one law firm, David Piggott is one of the attorneys. I forget the other attorney’s name. They paid that particular firm as of the end of their reign. $109,000 and some change. And there were some other law firms in there, too, that they paid.
SPEAKER 17 :
They paid, and I won’t name them all off, but they did that. They paid corporate close to $40,000. I’d have to double-check that one as well, Todd. But all in all, it’s probably about $180,000 or so.
SPEAKER 06 :
That sounds about right.
SPEAKER 17 :
I’ve looked at the FEC reports. That’s pretty close.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a lot of money that did not go to our candidates.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
They had to attack Nancy and me.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, Todd Watkins with us as well. Todd, I do want you one more time, and I know you and Andy have done this before, but for folks listening, I’d like you to give, and I know I don’t need exact dates and so on, but a rough… Thank you, Todd.
SPEAKER 09 :
Correct. That would have been the we scheduled the meeting for July 27, I believe it was. They filed their first lawsuit against Nancy, Pelosi and me. was filed earlier in July, a couple weeks earlier, asking for injunctive relief. Then they went to the judge. I think it was the day before, two days before.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I talked about it on air. I believe it was, in fact, two days before. I’d have to go back and look at all of my show notes on that, Todd, because I was talking about those things on air at that time. But, yeah, to your point, it was either the day before or two days before. I believe you are correct in that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and they actually had to – I’ll be blunt about it. They lied to the judge to get that restraining order put on us, that emergency restraining order. It was done ex parte, so Nancy and I were not able to respond or address it.
SPEAKER 17 :
And really quick, what was the lie? What did they say that was the lie?
SPEAKER 09 :
So Colorado law says that the state central committee has the ultimate decision-making resolution for any controversy that occurs within the party. They called this a controversy, and they told the judge that the central committee had already told us that we could not have this meeting, which was absolutely untrue, a bald-faced lie from Dave’s point. Um, the, their executive committee has said that we didn’t, we weren’t following the proper procedure to, uh, to call this meeting, uh, which is totally false. Also, we, we did everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, for those who don’t know, at the time, the executive committee was largely overrun by a small group of Dave’s loyalists.
SPEAKER 09 :
That that’s absolutely correct. Um, so this was a meeting to remove, uh, Dave Hope and Anna from their positions. and then elect new officers. We didn’t have any picked out. We just assumed that people would nominate from the floor, and we would elect a new leadership team to serve out the rest of Dave’s term until March, when you would have your org meeting and elect a full complement.
SPEAKER 17 :
I just keep being devil’s advocate. Again, I was one of the first persons to call for a lot of this to happen early on because I could see – At a very early stage, just how corrupt Dave was, what he would actually end up doing to the party. It didn’t take me long to start figuring out things that were going to be happening. And frankly, Todd, not bragging, but I was not wrong in the least. Dave turned out to be every bit as corrupt as I said he was going to be from about 30 days in to his chairmanship. And the reality is the guy is as dirty as the day is long. I’m sorry, he is. He uses other people to do his speaking for him, i.e. Hope and Tom, as in the case of yesterday. And I keep asking people that, you know, why can’t Dave speak for himself? I’ve given numerous opportunity for Dave to come on this program and legitimize the thing that he was doing inside of the party, Todd. And all I get is crickets.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I don’t know what he’s got up his sleeve. I don’t trust the guy, Todd, at all.
SPEAKER 17 :
Not as far as I could throw him.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, I definitely learned some very powerful lessons. I would sooner trust a mafia boss.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dave is as corrupt as corrupt can be. I’ve said it numerous times. I’ll say it on air again. I have no problem saying this. Dave cares about Dave only, doesn’t care about the state of Colorado, doesn’t care about the party here in Colorado, doesn’t care about politics in Colorado. Dave cares about one thing and one thing only, climbing the ladder himself, and that’s all he cares about. And he will walk all over everybody else in his path.
SPEAKER 06 :
And he will spend well over $100,000 of party money that he will take it out of the pockets of our candidates just to try to keep his job.
SPEAKER 17 :
Dave is a political grifter looking to see where his next best deal is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. They literally sued us and blamed us for them suing us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Correct. And their followers believe that. Their followers actually believe that you forced them to spend all that money on lawyers when they initiated it.
SPEAKER 09 :
No. Here, for their followers, all Dave had to do was call the meeting that we asked for. Right. Apparently, he won that vote. Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, they had to go and have a meeting under the bridge to avoid the bigger meeting that was even going to happen prior to that 27th meeting, Todd. Let’s not forget that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I’ve made a lot of jokes about that.
SPEAKER 17 :
Five whole people. They had to have a meeting under the bridge to put off the meeting that was supposed to be being held at that exact same time, and they did that in a way that was to eliminate and or have that other meeting from happening in the first place. All of you that are listening that are on that Dave side of the aisle, let’s not forget that. There was supposed to be a meeting held, a confidence vote, if you would, at that time, Todd, because I was following all of this at that time. I was reporting on it, talking about it here on air on a very routine, if not daily basis. So all of that is still fresh in my mind. So anybody out there talking about you guys starting this, they’re loons. They’re crazy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And Todd, if I may really quick here, Todd, they they had two things that they wanted to do with all of these legal actions. Number one, of course, somehow try to stop the vote from happening. But number two, to delay it. Why? They wanted you guys had come well before election season. to get this resolved so that we could have new leadership in place for the election, right? What they did is they pushed it back into election season. That was their goal. They pushed it by them holding that idiotic meeting, which is only five people under a bridge, okay, with no quorum whatsoever, so they could delay it back to August 31st. And people say, well, Andy, you’re throwing these dates. I don’t understand. Here’s the bottom line. They push back. Your original vote would have happened about six weeks earlier, well before election season. They pushed it all the way back. to the end of August, beginning of September, so it would be in election season. Why? So that they could blame you guys for trying to change leadership in the middle of an election. And that became the number one talking point from Dave, Hope, and I forget her name, Anna. And it was all over the internet. They said that you guys were trying to change leadership in the middle of an election, and it was them. Who pushed it back into the election? Am I wrong on any of this?
SPEAKER 09 :
So, no, you’re not wrong. But there’s another really important point to bring up. Go ahead. They were absolutely working the elections. They were absolutely very involved in elections during the primary season. We didn’t touch them during the primary season. They got all involved in contested primaries and lost miserably. So tell me exactly what they were going to do after they lost everything during the primaries. Primaries that they never should have gotten involved with. Dave wasn’t going to lift a finger to help any of the people that beat him or his cronies that he put up to run against other Republicans. And they didn’t. I guess the coup air quotes provided… a good cover for them for why they failed in the generals.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, Andy’s bringing up a great point. The reality is, and going back to even some of you that are listening that are still on Dave’s side, again, I was asking for Dave’s removal early in. You could see the handwriting on the wall. You could see what was happening. You go through the whole primary end of things where he ends up running for office as chair, which, by the way, is just appalling in and of itself. I please don’t give me this excuse that Ken Buck did it, because no, Ken Buck didn’t do it. That has to be the lamest excuse I’ve ever heard from anybody throw out there, because they are not one in the same any way, shape, or form. And no, I’m not a Ken Buck fan at all. You guys have heard me talk about that in the past also.
SPEAKER 06 :
He never ran. Not while he was chair. He never ran in a contested primary against other Republicans. Correct. Dave did. Correct. That’s the difference.
SPEAKER 09 :
And John, that’s really what pushed me to do what I did was exactly that. Dave announced he was going to run for CD5 while still sitting as chair. And I asked him why he was doing that. And I strongly recommended, actually demanded that he step down from his position as chair if he was going to run in what was going to be a contested primary race. And he said, no, I don’t have to do that. Nothing in the rules says I need to do that. And I said, listen, no matter how you work this, it’s going to be terrible optics for the party and actually for your campaign. Because there’s no way that anybody is not going to see that you are using your position as the state party chair to benefit your campaign. That’s right. He said, no, it didn’t happen that way. And he proved me right within a week when he sent out the mailers attacking his prospective, not even announced campaign.
SPEAKER 06 :
primary contestant. They mobilized the entire state party team to campaign for him and against Jeff Crank in the primary.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right. You’re correct. Again, Todd, I mean, to me, it’s pretty simple. Reality, and again, I get it. We are where we are today. I also keep getting the question of, okay, where are we at as a party today? What’s happening? And those of you that say that, all you have to do is read the newsletters that are coming out of the Colorado GOP right now, the things that are happening in regards to getting things organized, fundraising, all the different things that are happening, all the things that are going on all around the state. And please stop this criticism of, you know, they should be done at the state capitol, quote unquote, lobbying certain things that are happening. That is not the role of the chair, the vice chair, the treasurer of the Colorado GOP. That is not their way. That is not how this works. As you know, Todd, they are there to help get candidates elected that can go down to the statehouse and represent all of us equally when it’s all said and done. That’s what’s supposed to happen, Todd. They are not elected officials that go down to the statehouse and lobby.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, the job of the party is to get our people in the policymaking positions.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s exactly right. To get down there and actually give us a seat at the table, which, again, the last administration did a poor job of doing that. There’s a lot of things, and I’m going to talk about some of this as I let you go and we get into our next segment, some of the things that happened during the last legislative session. The reality, Todd, Andy, both of you know this, we’ve got to get more seats at the table or we’re not going to win. That’s the bottom line. The last administration did nothing to help us along those lines. And the reality is we’ve got to change that and move forward. And, you know, is Brita and all of them going to be the entire answer? I’ll just tell everybody straight up, no, and it’s nothing against Brita. The damage that was done by Dave is going to take a long time to get some of that back and to bring some of the trust back in individuals, donors, and so on because of the damage that was done by the last administration. Am I correct, Todd?
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s going to take a couple of cycles. to get the COGOP on a truly winning trajectory. I think that’s absolutely correct. But we have to start somewhere. We do. And this is where we have to start.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. All right, Todd. Hey, thank you for your time. I appreciate it very much. You’re always gracious with us, and I appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, thanks, John. Thanks, Andy.
SPEAKER 17 :
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SPEAKER 17 :
Now, back to Rush to Reason. And, yes, you are welcome to call or text 307-282-22. And, Andy, just recapping what Todd said, and I just want everybody that’s out there listening that might have heard that interview yesterday that was on a competing show on another station. And that host, by the way, was far too kind because when those individuals – basically said that, well, we had to spend that money to protect the party, I would have come out and said, yeah, no, you were spending that money to protect yourself. You weren’t spending that to protect the party any way, shape, or form. The party will continue on and be just fine. You were afraid to hold a vote and do the things that others wanted done because you were fearful you might actually lose your position at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. John. That’s all it boils down to. Yeah. All that money they spent. All that money. You can say 100, 120, 180, whatever. All of it was to stop a vote. Yep. Okay. All of it was to stop the central committee from simply coming together and having a vote. A vote which, by the way, the courts ultimately ruled what? Legal. Right. So the courts ruled that that vote was legal. Okay, bottom line, game, set, match, done. The courts ruled it legal, and you just blew well over $100,000 just to try to stop a legal vote, and you’re saying that you had to do it to protect the party when the party wasn’t at risk.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to add something to what you just said, too, Andy. You’re correct on all of that. But let’s not forget, a very large portion of money was spent on top of what you just said was spent to actually defend that. On top of that, there was money spent to then, because they didn’t like some of the individuals that actually did some of that initially. Yep. They then spent more money to go into attack mode to then go after people. That’s where the whole… You know, the whole Matt Arnold thing started. That whole committee got started. So we then could go after and quote unquote prosecute those individuals that we feel came against us in the party leadership end of things because we’re just now going to go. We’re going to be a Democrat and we’re going to go now legally attack those we don’t agree with.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Let me make this really right. Oh, totally. You are one million percent right. Let me make this super simple because people might be thinking, you know, this is all inside baseball. I don’t understand. Let me make it.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s very important, folks, to listen to all of this.
SPEAKER 06 :
This, I’m going to totally simplify it. They spent well over $100,000 to try to stop a vote. Right. Because they had to spend that money, they then sued the people that they sued in the first place. They then sued them to try to get those legal fees back that they had squandered. They squandered the legal fees. All they had to do was hold the vote. OK, let people vote. That’s all they had to do. So why did they spend even more money in court going after the coup people, as they want to call them? That was to try to get their money back, get their hundred plus grand back that they chose to spend, that nobody made them spend. What did the courts say? The courts say, no, you’re not going to get it back. We’re not. We’re going to throw this right out of court. Why? Because you have no case. OK, nobody forced you to sue these people. And ultimately, you only sued them to try to stop a vote that the courts have already declared legal.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
You have no case.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 06 :
So you folks who are listening out there right now, you Davidians who want to support these people, who want to support Hope Scheppelman and these lunatics, and I will say they are lunatics, okay, you’re supporting people who blew through all this money, way over $100,000, to sue and then re-sue a group of people who are found to be in the right by the courts. Yep.
SPEAKER 17 :
I want to add something to what Andy’s saying as well, because some of you really, I guess, don’t understand the insides of how some of this stuff has been working. And remember, folks, I’ve been around for the last decade watching from the outside and interviewing a lot of different people over the years, really being involved intimately in that way, where I’ve had people that I’ve had in this studio that talk on air, off air, and so on. And here’s the reality. You’re all being snowed. The majority of you that are in that camp are being snowed. You’re being snowed by some real key, quote unquote, leaders, some of them attorneys themselves, by the way, that are literally leading you down a path of destruction all for their own financial, I believe, financial gain at the end of the day. I’ll throw the Imers into that. I’ll throw the Corporans into that. The reality is there are all sorts of individuals out there that are, quote, unquote, trying to lead the party from within that are literally there for nothing more than financial gain. And you guys are all too stupid to realize it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. These people were lining their pockets while our candidates got no help during the election.
SPEAKER 17 :
Absolutely. You guys have been sucked in. You have bought into a bunch of lies that are being perpetrated by the individuals that I just named. And I could name more, by the way, that are in that same camp. I just hit the highlights of it. The reality is you guys are all being led down a path of destruction and you need to jump off as quickly as possible. You do. You do. Literally. You’re not helping the party at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, for those who want to say, well, we got some seats back. We finally turned the corner because of their leadership. Folks, this was during the biggest red wave. Of a generation. Yep. Okay? And they underperformed the Trump red wave nationally. They underperformed it by about 60%. They lost 60% of the Trump wave. In a year when Kamala Harris failed to flip a single district in the entire country, we only gained three or four seats at the state level. We failed. They failed. They squandered all this money to protect their own butts. Instead of giving it to our candidates and helping our candidates, they failed you. They robbed you blind by lining the pockets of lawyers who were buddies.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yep. And guys, again, if you don’t believe some of what I’m saying in regards to some of the people that I even just mentioned, go look at the FEC report. Look at where some of the dollars go. Look at the Imers and their so-called PAC that they now want you to donate to instead of donating to the Colorado GOP. And folks, I’m not saying anything that frankly isn’t true. You can go look up and back up everything that I’m saying and prove it by just going and looking at the FEC report. I am not slandering anybody. I am not saying anything out of line. I can back it all up. Just go look at the FEC report and some of the newsletters that have gone out by the Eimer PAC and tell me I’m wrong. You’re not wrong. It’s that simple. Tell me I’m wrong. I’m not wrong. I’m not wrong in anything I’m saying. These are political grifters that are literally trying to suck money out of a lot of you that are listening right now that think you’re doing the right thing when it comes to turning Colorado back around. And I’ll tell you right now, if you continue down that path, you will do nothing but send Colorado down the path of destruction.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. And how are you going to turn Colorado around with the candidates that that group wanted? You won’t. Their candidates were horrible.
SPEAKER 17 :
They’re losers. They’re losers, Andy. And I’m not saying losers as in they’re personally losers. They’re losers in the fact that they can’t win a campaign because they’re not electable.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they’re not electable in this market. Their candidates were so bad that for the first time, Democrats in Colorado were literally spending money to help their candidates in our primaries. That’s absolutely right. That’s absolutely right. Dear Lord. I know. Ron Hanks, was there a hope? She was all over campaigning for Ron Hanks in our primary. Thank almighty God that he lost in our primary.
SPEAKER 17 :
And let me remind all of you, too, that are big Ron Hanks fans. Ron is a traitor to the Colorado GOP.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes!
SPEAKER 17 :
And I mean that in all sincerity, because the last time around when we had Joe O’Day running against Michael Bennett, which, by the way, we had a chance of probably meeting Michael Bennett. But the problem is not that Joe O’Day was perfect. He ran a great campaign. He has his own issues. I’m not saying the guy is an angel by any stretch of the imagination. But when you’ve got Ron Hanks running around and even switching out of the Republican Party to run against Joe O’Day, he’s a traitor. Yeah, plain and simple.
SPEAKER 06 :
He left the Republican Party after losing the primary to Joe O’Day in 2020. Or 2022, I’m sorry. 2022, I believe it was. He left the Republican Party and called on all his supporters to not vote for Joe O’Day. That’s right. So he drew voters away from Joe O’Day in the general.
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s right. So, folks, again, here’s the difference between me and a lot of you out there that are listening and or quote-unquote support some of these individuals that we’re talking about. You’re snowed. I see right through these people. Yeah. I have interviewed a lot of these people. I have the ability to be able to sit here and interview and talk to and have information come my way from a lot of different individuals. And I have a really good memory, by the way, i.e. Ron Hanks a moment ago. I don’t forget these things and what he did to us in that particular scenario, literally hurting us and giving the Democrats a landslide victory with, by the way, one of the worst Democrat candidates you could ever imagine in Michael Bennett. Yeah, and we made it easy for him. I’m not exaggerating. That guy can’t debate his way out of a wet paper bag.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, the Davidians behind Ron Hanks divided our party to help Bennett.
SPEAKER 17 :
All right. Up next, we’ve got Golden Eagle Financial. Al Smith did a great interview the other day. Stay tuned. That is next.
SPEAKER 04 :
Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial and the show you love, Retirement Unpacked, is here with me. How are you today, Al? I’m doing great. How are you, TJ? I’m doing great as well. I have a couple questions for you. As a financial advisor, do you also do taxes?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I don’t prepare my clients’ taxes. I do, however, spend a lot of time talking to them about taxes. To use a sports analogy, tax preparation is like doing a recap of the game. What I do is more like creating a game plan and then following up over time to see how it’s working.
SPEAKER 04 :
And how much are taxes a part of that game plan that you create?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, with so many different taxes we’re faced with, it becomes an important thing to take into consideration. It’s not how much income you have, but how much you get to keep. In addition to federal and state income taxes, there’s property taxes, state and local sales tax, and fees. And they all play a part in shrinking our income.
SPEAKER 04 :
What about people who already have really healthy balances in 401ks, IRAs? Won’t they be facing significant taxes as they draw income from those accounts?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it depends. Everybody’s situation’s a little bit different. There’s no one size that fits all when it comes to tax planning. But often when I work with people, we’ll create a strategy where we will convert traditional IRAs to Roth over time. And that not only reduces taxes in the future, but it will also lower the tax they’ll be paying on their Social Security.
SPEAKER 04 :
Is that kind of strategy really only for the wealthy?
SPEAKER 13 :
Not at all. Many of my clients who have modest IRAs have chosen to convert to Roth over time. They enjoy the freedom of having a tax-free nest egg that they can access on their own timeline rather than an RMD schedule.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that is excellent. And how can people reach you if they want to learn about their own taxation in retirement?
SPEAKER 13 :
You can reach me through KLZ or contact my office at 303-744-1128. And when you call, I’ll provide you with a summary of all the tax changes for 2025.
SPEAKER 04 :
You heard it here, folks. Good things from Golden Eagle Financial and Al Smith. Again, you can reach them at 303-744-1128 or just find them on the advertisers page at klzradio.com.
SPEAKER 18 :
Investment advisory services offered through Brookstone Capital Management, LLC. A registered investment advisor. Listen online. KLZradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. I want to make sure I’m very clear, too, when it comes to Ron Hanks and Joe O’Day.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I’ve said this a gazillion times.
SPEAKER 17 :
Did I support Joe O’Day running against Michael Bennett after he won the primary? Absolutely, I did. Does that mean that I supported everything Joe O’Day stood for, especially his position on abortion and even some of his economic positions? Of course not, folks. I am a… You know, life begins at conception period. You guys know that’s where I stand. Does that mean, though, at the end of the day that I would still vote for Joe O’Day over Michael Bennett, who, by the way, believes in late term abortions and even killing of a baby once it’s delivered? I absolutely would take Joe O’Day over Michael Bennett any day of the week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and Michael Bennett believes in all of that, fully funded with your tax dollars, which, by the way, Joe O’Day opposed.
SPEAKER 17 :
Correct. So, again, did I agree with Joe and his stance on early-term, you know, first-term abortions? I do not. I did not. But would I take Joe O’Day all day long over squishy Michael Bennett and the fact that he’s a pure communist Marxist? I would take Joe O’Day all day long over that, absolutely. Is Joe a Marxist communist? No, he is not. Right. So, folks, again, why do you all have such a hard time figuring that out? How is this so difficult for some of you? I’m confused.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. Well, the Davidians will come out and say he’s the same as Michael Bennett. They’re the same.
SPEAKER 17 :
No, he’s not.
SPEAKER 06 :
And then you walk through. I’m serious. And they will do this online. Right. And then I will walk through issue by issue. OK, here’s his view. Here’s his different, different, different, different. Go through several things. Right. You know what they do? They run. They run. They don’t have any answers. They just want to sit back and idiotically say, oh, they’re all the same. These you know, he’s a rhino. So he’s just like a Democrat. No, he isn’t.
SPEAKER 17 :
OK. Yeah. No, not not. I mean, no, not hardly. And again, folks, this is this is the thing that, again, Andy and I’ll start talking about this as we get further and further down the line. We get into 2026 and we start getting different candidates that are going to be running in the primary and so on, because some of you are asking me, you know, Who am I for right now? Folks, I can’t tell you that answer. I have no idea. I don’t know who’s going to end up coming up as cream of the crop when it comes to the governor’s race, when it comes to attorney general, when it comes to the Senate race. I mean, folks, I have no idea at this point in time. It is far too early for me to hitch my wagon behind anybody at this point in time. And I’m also somebody that no matter what, even in the primary side, I don’t endorse anybody, folks. You won’t find me endorsing any particular candidate heading into a primary because it’s not what Andy and I do. No, not going to happen. Won’t happen. We don’t endorse. Do I like certain individuals whose names have been tossed around and who are now throwing their name in the hat to run, like Greg Lopez, for example? I have a lot of respect for Greg. I like Greg. Is Greg electable? I can’t tell you that right now. We’re far too out, if you would, in relation to the next election for me to say that right now. I have no idea. I agree. So that’s my stake on, you know, who’s good in Colorado right now. Folks, I don’t know. And I am not the party chair. And I am not privy to some of the things that are being thrown around as far as certain people running for certain seats in relation to what’s going to happen the next go around. I’m not that person. So frankly, I don’t have to know. And frankly, and I don’t want to say that I don’t care because I care about winning, but I don’t know. So I can’t give you specific names because I don’t know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let me say one thing and ask a question. First, I want to say, people, we shouldn’t be thinking about which candidates right now. We should be thinking about getting the Colorado Republican Party right. Because right now, our name is mud in Colorado after the last couple years with Dave Williams. Correct. Okay, we are a laughingstock.
SPEAKER 17 :
We’ve got to build that up first.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Absolutely. He turned us into a complete laughingstock in Colorado.
SPEAKER 17 :
And nationwide, by the way, folks.
SPEAKER 06 :
He literally called on his supporters to burn other people’s property. Okay. Pride flags. Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Come on. And for some of you listening, you may not know this, but nationally even, that particular leadership got to the point to where even the national, you know, the RNC itself was looking at Colorado like, you know, we want arms length distance from those knuckleheads. We’re not getting anywhere as close to that. Totally. Now that is another thing that I believe will change moving forward and needs to, by the way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Here’s my quick question, and you’ll have just a minute. Go ahead. Okay. If Trump gets a bunch of trade deals, his popularity is going to soar, which means his party’s popularity is going to soar, and the Democrats are going to look extremely bad as the economy just starts roaring under his leadership. Is there an opportunity if the Republicans in Colorado get good candidates and rally behind their new leadership? Is there a possibility that we could churn some seeds?
SPEAKER 17 :
I think there’s always a possibility, Andy, it comes back down to strategy. Are we running the right person in the right seat, you know, in that right area. And this is where the chairmanship, the chair, vice chair, others, those that are on the executive committee, by the way, need to be really, really sharp in thinking, uh, literally Andy out loud on, okay, if we were to help, you know, cause they don’t go out and pick candidates. That’s not what that, that role is. But once a candidate gets going, They can decide who are we going to help fund, who are we going to help support, who has the best chance of winning and who doesn’t. I know that sounds really, really harsh, but it’s reality, folks. There will be some candidates that decide to run for a particular seat here in Colorado whereby they’re unelectable. It’s not going to happen. God love you. Appreciate you doing it. Appreciate the effort. But the reality is you’re not going to win this seat no matter what. Right. Not going to happen. The Democrat, the market is going to elect a Democrat no matter what period. Yes, we need representation from Republicans. Absolutely. But the chances of winning are slim.
SPEAKER 06 :
The big thing is, can we hold on for Gabe Evans in the eighth?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, that’s on the national level. I’m talking even more locally.
SPEAKER 06 :
But that’s going to happen also.
SPEAKER 17 :
It is. You’re exactly right. Now, fortunately, and this is a good thing for Republicans, Andy and I haven’t talked much about this, but the way she treats her staff, his counterpart that’s going to be running, is it Caraveo? Am I saying that right, Charlie Caraveo?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, she’s going to run, I think, against Boebert.
SPEAKER 17 :
She’s going to run Boebert. Either way, she’s got huge issues the way she’s treated staff. So that one probably will be fairly easy to beat. I thought she was going to run against Evans. She did last time. Am I right in that, Charlie? I believe she ran against Evans. Yeah, she ran against Evans.
SPEAKER 06 :
I thought she was calling out Boebert, though. Okay, well, if she’s going to run against Evans again. That helps us. It does help.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, absolutely. That helps us. But folks listening, please, these are the strategic things. They jump around. That as a party head, these are the kind of conversations that need to be had. And you sit down with Gabe and say, Gabe, what are we going to be able to do to help you hold on to this seat? Am I right, Andy? Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
And by the way, he’s a hell of a candidate.
SPEAKER 17 :
He’s good. And that’s what, frankly, the last administration here in Colorado, the last leadership, did not do. No. In fact, it was the opposite of that. So we’ll come back. Don’t go anywhere, folks. Cub Creek Heating and Air Conditioning up next. Any trouble at all with your air conditioning, give them a call today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 17 :
Back to Rush to Reason. All right, and again, folks, I am not chair. I don’t have that responsibility. That’s not my role. I know some of you would have liked to have had me run and do some things along those lines. That is something that, frankly, I have no desire to do whatsoever. Being GOP chair here in Colorado, I can’t think of any more miserable job, Andy, to have, and no, I would not want that. Not right now. Now, I will help. I will help guide. If somebody has any questions, I’m here to help answer some of those questions and so on. I will give input where it’s asked. I am not one of those individuals, folks, though. I’ll just tell you straight up. I don’t go to people and interject and say, you need to be doing this. Andy knows me. Charlie knows me. I don’t do things that way at all. If you have a question, I’ll answer it. But I am not going to interject any other way because that is not my position to do so.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, I agree.
SPEAKER 17 :
And I know, Andy, you don’t do that either, so neither one of us are those sorts of individuals. We do not do that. We will not play that game, period. All right, another full hour coming your way. We’ve got a lot more to cover in today’s program. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy
