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What makes a good leader—and what destroys great organizations from the inside? John Rush is joined by Richard Battle to explore the stark differences between empowering leadership and ego-driven command-and-control tactics. They name names from history (Herbert Hoover, George Washington) and share personal experiences with bosses who changed once they got power. Plus: why John believes we need more accountability in politics, business, and even volunteer organizations.
In the second hour, Young Americans Against Socialism’s Sonny Kutcher joins the show to talk crime in D.C., the breakdown of law and order, and the chaos encouraged by Marxist ideology. They discuss
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And we are back. Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Richard Battle joining us now. Richard, how are you today? Good afternoon, John. We’re doing great. Thanks for having us again. How hot is it in Texas today? It’s pizza oven hot. Pizza oven hot. So, yeah, we’re about 96, so, you know, we’re a dry heat, supposedly.
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Yes, you are a dry heat. Yes.
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All right. You can tell real leaders by how they use their power, and that is a very true statement, by the way.
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Yes, and I’m going to throw a curveball because I want to change the sequence. That’s fine. Go right ahead. Instead of talking about the successful people, I want to talk about the people who are poor leaders and their characteristics. And this applies whether you’re learning leadership or whether you’re looking to go to work for someone, and you need to interview them as well to see what kind of leaders they are so you can make sure you work with good leaders.
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You know what? I can’t argue that at all, and I like doing the negative first and the positive second, so that’s fine. Let’s do it.
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Well, first thing is, poor leaders believe they wield unlimited power. True. They feel like they’re entitled and indispensable. and that their constituents are obligated to serve their desires so they have a power trip that they go to, and treat people differently who are below them in station versus people that are equal or above them.
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You are 100% correct, and we see examples of that on a pretty regular basis. Unfortunately, Richard, see it even in the – gosh, everywhere. You see it in the church world. You see it politically speaking. You see it in the business world. You see it in the volunteer end of things. Reality is, Richard, that – And I don’t know, maybe we can talk about this for a minute, I don’t know why they end up that way, but it’s almost like certain people desire to be the leader, and then once they’re there, they’re not even the same person they were before.
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No, that’s exactly correct, and I think that’s part of our human nature, that some people naturally project that, whereas others are able to hide, not hide it, but subdue it to where it doesn’t come out. And I think that’s the thing that good leaders will do. They have to restrain themselves. from the selfishness and self-centered nature.
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Do you think, Richard, that that – and this is something I’ve always toyed with in the back of my mind – do you think that – because what you’re saying I’ve thought on a lot, because really good leaders are not that way. We’ll get into that in a moment. They’re completely the opposite of that. But bad leaders, they get this God complex, I guess you could call it, even, Richard, where they feel like whatever I say goes, no matter what, I’m entitled to this, blah, blah, blah. And do you think that – that that is intrinsic to them? Is it part of their DNA? Can you be taught not to do that? I mean, are these things that are, you know, that old, you know, nature versus nurture? What are your thoughts there?
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Well, I think it’s a natural part of our fallen human nature to have those thoughts, So we can learn, again, to restrain them and be a good leader. But the people that don’t learn that and just exercise that natural power feeling, that’s what we get when they have this entitlement and feel indispensable and see a power trip over other people.
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Okay, and I can’t say as I disagree with you on that one. I do think that, at least my opinion is, I think some of it is intrinsic to certain people. Some people are just naturally more humble than others. Some are power hungry. They want to be the guy at the top no matter what, and they’re going to make sure everybody knows they’re the guy at the top once they get there. I do think, though, for a lot of folks, Richard, that it can be taught, and maybe for some it never has been.
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Well, I think that’s exactly true, and I think it’s funny. The first job I had out of college, there was a guy in management, and I wasn’t in management, and he treated me like a dog, and then when I got promoted into management, all of a sudden he treated me totally differently, and that was my first experience with that situation, and it was a real eye-opener, and thankfully it only happened a few other times, but it just illustrated what we’re talking about.
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Yeah, and there are those individuals, again, where they’re power hungry. They can’t wait. I call them chair jockeys. I hate to say it that way, Richard, but they’re chair jockeys. They can’t wait to get to the top. They jockey their way up, whatever they need to do. Some cases they will undermine others to actually make it there, or they will deceive others, some of the folks at the top that actually can put them in that position. They kind of lie, cheat, steal their way to the top, and then when they’re at the top, they’re just overlords. I mean, I don’t know how else to say it.
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Well, yes, and to me, a short-sightedness is another part of this. because they’re only looking for that short-term goal to get to the top. And so then they hoard their power. So it’s much of a command-and-control situation. And we’ll talk on the good side in a minute about good leaders and what they do to their subordinates to make them feel empowered. And then they take credit for everything that’s happened good, which is totally the opposite of being a good leader. And they hold… hold power until they die, which to me is the exact wrong thing to do.
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Give us some examples from history of these folks that we’re talking about.
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Well, one was Herbert Hoover, who had been very successful before he’d been president. He’d been involved with the World Bank and a lot of projects to feed people around the world. And he’d been very successful, but he exercised And hoarded the power command and control. And so in that type situation, you just use people as pawns. You never build them up and teach them and grow them so that they can contribute more than just being people to execute tasks. And you can’t build a long-term strong organization if you don’t build your people and grow them to expand your organization.
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You cannot. One of the things I talk to all the clients that I have, Richard, where I’m really trying to get them to think the way you’re talking about. And the reality is, you know, as an owner, you can’t do everything. You don’t want to do everything. You want to empower those that are with you to actually do more and more and more. Give them the quote-unquote keys to the kingdom so that they can do more for you. So at the end of the day, Richard, you can go on and do something else if you want to. If you can get that thing to run itself with those people doing it, then you’re free to go do something else when it’s all said and done as a business owner. Bottom line, as an owner, you should be working yourself out of a job every day.
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Yes, and a subset of that is delegations. And so many people do not learn delegation because it’s painful. I say it’s a painfully learned art. Also, they’re afraid to give up the power, and they think, well, I can do it faster than I can train someone else. But the very best leaders are the ones that go through that pain, and they delegate to people and then hold them accountable because it is a force multiplier in our efforts.
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You are so correct. I’ve seen examples of this. I know you have as well. Personally, you mentioned one on the work front. I’ve got numerous ones I could give examples for, not necessarily national-type figures or world leaders, but just people that you learn, that you meet along the way. And I think for me, Richard, personally, and I’m thankful for this, I think I learned as much from some of those poor leaders as I did from some of the good ones.
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Well, absolutely, because once you’ve had a poor leader that manages you, we learn to say, I’m not going to do that if I get in that position because I want the exact opposite response. So I’m going to treat people the opposite way.
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Yep. No, you are spot on. I learned so much from those types of individuals on what not to do. And then fortunately for me, Richard, I was also around enough, really, we’re going to talk now, good leaders. I was around enough really good leaders and, you know, I tried to absorb as much of that as I possibly could. This was back before even, you know, leadership type seminars and programs and books and things like that were even out. And once they came out, I even tried to read as many of those and still do read as many of those as I possibly can. And you and I talk about this. on a routine basis, because it’s such a dear subject to me personally, because I think it’s one of the things that as a country we lack desperately.
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Absolutely. And there are a certain number of leadership principles. And one of the things I believe is you’ll hear the same principles from different people, but you’ll hear different examples and stories. And it’s important to listen to all of them because one may hit you differently than another and may impact you better than another one. So don’t think that, hey, I’ve already learned that principle. Learn it again. Learn another example. Learn another alternative response to it.
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Good leaders, by the way, for those of you listening, I don’t think I’ve said this for quite some time. I’ve mentioned this before with Richard, but some of you may be just listening today for the first time even, and we talk to Richard on every—try to every Wednesday as much as we possibly can. But Richard, one of the things that John Maxwell, I learned from him, and I believe he’s right in this. If you think you’re a good leader, then go get a job as a leader at a volunteer organization whereby everybody there is volunteering their time as well. In other words, they’re not paid to be there. They’re there volunteering their time as well. And guess what? If you can get them to learn your ways, be on the same team, in other words, if you can lead them and they will follow you, you’re a pretty good leader. On the same token, if nobody follows you in a volunteer organization, you suck at it.
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Well, and that’s another secret, and that is there’s two motivational tools usually used in business, and that’s money and job security. In a volunteer situation, you do not have those two tools. And so you have to learn other ways to inspire and motivate people to act. And the best leaders I know have been good leaders in volunteer organizations, and I can usually pick them out very quickly because I’ll see them use a variety of motivational techniques.
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That’s right. Absolutely. Okay, so give us a couple of tips on how to be a good leader.
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Well, I think exercising delegated limited power. Good leaders are humble because they realize they’ve been given a privilege to exercise a power from whoever their benefactor or company is. And so that is a privilege. They have a limited amount of time. And to me, the number one objective of the leader is to accomplish the goals of The number two objective is to grow and build a people and build a succession plan to ensure long-term success.
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That’s right. No, you are spot on. Okay, examples of some good leaders.
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Well, George Washington, to me, is the GOAT for many, many reasons. But he carried the Revolutionary War on his back, especially in the early days, in his perseverance. when the morale was so low. He exuded that confidence and perseverance where the people that were ready to quit followed him. And we see that afterwards, after the war, when they say Washington slept here. The more I study Washington, the more I realize that’s why those people did it. They realized how special he was and how he made the difference in success and failure.
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And we could keep going, Richard. There’s been a lot of poor leaders throughout the years. There’s been a lot of great leaders throughout the years. And by the way, some of them, I think, may have been bad at one time. Typically what happens is they’re not too good, and then they learn from their mistakes, they get a little bit better. Rarely, and I guess it happens, Richard, but rarely do you see a good leader, a truly good leader, go bad.
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That’s absolutely true, unless there’s some type of corruption they fall for. And thankfully, we don’t see that very often. If they’re principled, and focused on their customers and employees and shareholders and deliver for them and put themselves last, they will be consistently successful.
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You’re right. Richard, how do folks get your books? You can get some of those signed as well for those of you who are listening. How do they do that, Richard?
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Our website is richardbattle.com. All books are signed there. If you’d like one inscribed for a gift, email me richard at richardbattle.com after the order, and we’re happy to do that. We have everything on Amazon, all 12 books, 11 in Kindle, seven currently, but soon to be eight in audio versions as well.
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Awesome. Richard, as always, it’s a joy having you, sir. I learn something every time you’re with us. It’s always my pleasure. God bless America. God bless you, Richard. Richard Battle again. RichardBattle.com. Golden Eagle Financial. We had Al on at 3 o’clock, by the way. Love Al dearly. Such a great guy. Genuine heart. If there’s something you need when it comes to retirement planning, please give Al a call. He did an interview here of late. Listen in. We’ll be back right after that. And find Al at KLZRadio.com.
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TJ with KLZ. And again, I am with Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. Al, we talk a lot about how relational you are with your clients. Why don’t you take us through what an initial visit might look like, whether that’s in the office or over a Zoom call or whatever that is. What does that look and feel like for one of your clients?
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Well, first we kind of get to know one another a little bit, have a little bit of small talk. And once we move slightly beyond that, I often ask a question, what is your and your spouse’s greatest concerns as you move into toward retirement?
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What do you think people’s main fear is when they come to see you and how do you help to quell that with them?
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Many of the people who come in have been listening to me on the radio for years. And often there is some event that the reason they want to talk to me. Maybe they have concerns about taxes. It may be they’re concerned about the volatility of the stock market. And so by asking them about their concerns, we can zero in specifically. Because usually people have something on the back of their minds as the reason that they came in rather than having a cookie cutter form that I complete for everybody. I try and dive in more specifically to what is an individual or a couple’s primary concern that brought them in the office.
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We love that relational aspect and we love Al Smith from Golden Eagle Financial. Al, why don’t you tell folks how to get in touch with you for that meeting?
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Easy way, 303-744-1128. If you’re driving, you can reach me through KLZ. KLZ has all my contact information. And once you reach out to them, they will reach out to me and I will contact you by phone or email so that we can have that conversation, whether it’s on a Zoom or a long phone conversation or here at the office.
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Excellent, Al. Thanks for joining us. Of course, you can find Al on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thank you so much.
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Well, thank you, TJ. Look forward to our next conversation.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive. This is John Rush.
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And as always, I appreciate Richard joining us. I learn something from him every single week. And speaking of leaders, let’s kind of tie it in. I didn’t do this on purpose. I just happened to be reading this article, and I thought I could stick this in right after we were done with Richard, put this into our notes, which I did. And this is that the Colorado U.S. House members—this is out of the Colorado Sun— Spar over a big, beautiful bill at a business luncheon in Denver. So when I say leaders, yes, these are our political leaders. And there was a luncheon, and I believe there was six of them. Don’t quote me on this. I read this article yesterday, but I believe there was six of them from, you know, Lauren Boebert, Jason Crow, Jeff Hurd, Brittany was her last name. I’ll think of it in a minute. Is it Pedersen or Patterson? I can’t remember. Diana DeGette and others. So there’s about six of them total that I want to say were there. Jeff Crank, I should say, was there. Not Jeff Hurd, Jeff Crank. And they were doing this luncheon and basically going back and forth and talking about, you know, the big, beautiful bill. And one of Lauren Boebert’s statements was we have the mandate to drill, baby, drill. We want to do that effectively, safely, and, of course, keep it clean. And, of course, Democrats come back and argue that that bill does the opposite of that. It takes the balance, quote, unquote, out of energy, out of the energy equation. Instead, focus on fossil fuel production at the expense of renewables, which, OK, that statement alone. At the expense of renewables. Okay. Yeah, they’re expensive. That’s true. Now, I know what they’re meaning, that they’re basically saying that the more we focus on fossil fuel, the less we will focus on renewables. And my statement to that is, okay, so, yeah, and? And what’s the problem? That’s my point in coming back with this. In fact, if I had been there as a politician, that would have been my statement back would have been, and the problem is? It’s already been proven that your quote-unquote renewables, number one, are not. That’s a misstatement. That’s a lie. There is no such thing. They’re not renewable. So on top of the lie, the fact that we can use natural gas, oil, and coal in a way that we have now for roughly 100 years, and we can continue to do that for 100 more plus—that’s how much we have— And it’s already been determined that there’s no negative effect in doing so. In fact, without those, you don’t get the quote-unquote renewables. I hope everybody, and I would have said this in the room, I hope everybody in this room knows that if you eliminate oil, coal, and natural gas, you don’t even build these other things you want to do called renewables. They don’t exist. In fact, the clothes you’re wearing, the shoes you’re wearing, the chair you’re sitting on, the glasses that you’re wearing, the microphone you’re using, the reality is none of those exist without, quote, unquote, fossil fuels. I would have said some of this stuff point blank because I don’t know that that gets said enough. I mean, believe me, these folks on the left understand what I’m saying. But it’s not said enough. Now, I wasn’t in the meeting. I don’t know what exactly was said at the luncheon. I’m getting reports back, in this case from the Colorado Sun, on what exactly was saying. Representative Joe Neguse, he said that he’s concerned the bill will create regulatory uncertainty that discourages clean energy development. And again, my answer back to him would have been, so? And? Who cares? At the end of the day, it’s not a big deal. You know, reality is life will go on without them. In fact, it would be better without them than it is with them. But my point with this whole leadership thing is these are our quote-unquote leaders, political leaders, and there are distinct sides. to both parties when you listen to these individuals. I mean, you can definitely see there’s two sides here. And for those of you that are out there that listen to me that would say that some of these folks that were on this panel, like Gabe Evans, for example, that he’s somehow a rhino and he’s not on our side and blah, blah, blah, you’re foolish at best. You’re a fool. Because all of these folks that were on our side were saying the same thing about the Big Beautiful Bill or the Act now. It’s not even a bill. It’s an act. It’s been enacted. It’s law. You will hear all of them supporting that. So if they’re a bunch of rhinos, why are they supporting that act? Every time I read, and I shouldn’t read social media, I know, but I read it just to kind of keep up on things and sometimes get some topics for the show and so on. Really quick, one of the things I want to promo, too, because I’ve been seeing this of the last few days, and some of you have asked me, am I going to do this this year like I do every year, and that’s talking about back-to-school pictures. Yes, I will talk about that tomorrow. I will do an entire segment, might even do two segments on what to post, what not to post, how to keep not only yourself safe, but your kids safe and so on. And again, this is one of those where, and I love people to death, but I don’t understand the ignorance. I don’t understand the ignorance. And I think some people just think, well, you know, it’s only friends and family that are seeing these pictures. Are you sure? Are you sure? Really? Have you tested that? Do you know that to be true? Do you know every friend and family member that you have on social media and what kind of an individual they actually are? Do you know that for sure? And chances are you can’t say, yes, I do. In fact, most cases, the answer is going to be, no, I don’t. And I’ll get into that tomorrow on how to stay safe because I already saw, I saw one post and I didn’t comment, I didn’t say anything, I just sort of gritted my teeth and I said, I’m going to talk about it on Thursday. But I actually saw one preschooler going to school with everything on the little board that the little girl was holding. Teacher’s name, age, classroom, school, the whole nine yards. Meaning, if somebody wanted to go pick up this little three-year-old girl that’s now going to be in preschool… It’s right there. And folks, I’m sorry. I hate to be that rude on things, and again, I’ll cover some of this tomorrow, but folks, please, and I’ll mention it now, but I’ll get into it more tomorrow, like I just said, but please, for the love of God, don’t do that. Please don’t put your kids out there that way. I mean, I just can’t, I couldn’t live with the fact that some of these kids could eventually be taken because of this being put out there. I had one example along these lines, which I’ll give kudos. I don’t think I’ve ever talked about this on air. There was a particular situation where it was towards graduation time. And it was a realtor and somebody that I happen to be acquaintances with on Facebook. And this particular realtor was doing the congratulatory thing. congratulations on graduating blah blah blah blah blah and of course it gave the school and where the kid went to school and where they’re graduating from and so on and i actually sent a personal message that said you know i don’t think you probably realize this and i know this is a because on the sign was also her real estate company and her name and so on as i know this is for you to gain customers out of and i get that you’re you’re trying to say congratulations but at the same time use it for marketing and so on but do you really understand what you’re really doing, that you’re really putting out there where all of these kids now go to school, and if somebody really wanted to abduct them, because that happens even with teenagers, do you understand that you’re putting all of these kids at risk by doing what you’re doing? Believe it or not, I got a very nice message back from this particular realtor that said, oh, gosh, I never thought of it that way. I never looked at it that way. I won’t do that again. I will take some of those back and explain to people why. And thank you for pointing that out, because I never would have thought of that on my own. That’s why I talk about these things, and I will talk about it more tomorrow. But back to the whole leadership thing here in Colorado when it comes to our representatives. In this case, they were all reps. Man alive. There is a huge chasm between one side and the other when it comes to – and by the way, Jeff Hurd was at this actual meeting as well. But there’s a huge chasm between one side and the other on how they look at just regular general topics that can affect us here in Colorado, showing you that there are two different sides, two totally different approaches to how things work politically speaking today. in our state. 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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
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And we’re back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now. Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, how are you?
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Great week, a little gloomy in L.A., so we want the sunshine back.
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You know, it’s a little different here. We have some wildfires, there’s some little smoke in the air, but not bad. I mean, all in all, it’s a little cloudy this afternoon because it might get a little bit of rain. But all in all, we’ve had pretty decent weather, nothing really to complain about. So to complain about things means we have to talk about Marxists.
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That’s right. That’s right. And this week, they’re trying to convince the public that D.C. is not as violent and unsafe as everybody knows it is.
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Yeah, I ran through some statistics on the podcast this morning that folks will be able to listen to tonight at 6 o’clock our time. And reality, Sonny, is they can paint it up to make it sound like there’s no crime there, but their crime is four to six times higher than the national average, depending upon what crime we’re even talking about.
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Absolutely. And, you know, I haven’t looked through all the statistics, so I’ll be curious to listen to what you guys bring. But, you know, just on a quick search, you can see here I’m reading from Robert Malone, obviously Dr. Malone. He said, you know, D.C. ranks fifth for murder rates. He showed a statistic here. And I even saw someone on CNN. It was a clip. And he was saying, OK, so we have violent crime is down depending on which numbers, which polls you’re using. And, of course, we know that they, you know, skew and manipulate these polls to show what they want. bought and paid for. So I never fully trust anything that I read. But but I mean, then on the one hand, you have one poll showing violent crime is down. On the other hand, you have a poll that shows or I’m sorry, a statistic that shows the murder rate is up in D.C. So which is
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, reality is, and I think Trump is very, you know, some people would say that, you know, Trump is not necessarily motivated to get D.C. cleaned up because of cleaning up D.C. He’s more motivated because of the political aspect of things and so on. You know, Sonny, I think it’s. I think it’s multifaceted as far as what Trump wants to do in D.C. And hear me out here. I think, number one, I believe what he said, that when people come in to D.C., you know, they come in to basically the front door of our country. You’ve got dignitaries and other folks that come in. And I have one. I, for one, feel like it needs to be stellar. That city needs to be the shining city on the hill that is a representative of democracy. What we have going on in the rest of the country from our national parks to some of our great cities we have out there and so on. I really feel like it does need to be that representative, if you would. And it’s not right now. It’s a dump and it shouldn’t be that way. Number two, I think he’s correct in basically saying that, you know, in turn. Crime is abhorrent. It shouldn’t be the way it is. He needs to clean up the city. The homeless problem is ridiculous. So I think with Trump, it’s multifaceted. I don’t think it’s one or the other. I mean, I don’t think it’s just political either. I think he is looking at it saying this is what Democrats do when they’re able to run a city and look at how decrepit this place is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. And I look across the country and I think that’s why so many people say, are upset with the amount of money that we send out of this country because our cities are falling apart. And I think it really shows a lot that President Trump is starting with D.C. because, as you said, I absolutely agree. It should be the shining sun on the hill. you know, it is a beautiful city with, you know, the historical aspect and all of the history that’s there and the beautiful architecture and, uh, you know, the statues and all of these things, the buildings that were created. I mean, some of them are absolutely stunning. And then you walk outside and there’s a man shooting up and another man urinating. It’s, it’s absolutely despicable. And people are allowed, it’s, it’s actually, it’s just, it’s, it’s, it’s just allowed to happen there. You know, just like it is in LA. I mean, it’s, Really, you know, you look around and you just you’re so desensitized to it at this point. And not only is it awful for the people who are just trying to live their regular life and they have to encounter this on a daily basis. What does it say about our morality that we’re just allowing these people to live in their own filth and we’re allowing people to be addicted to drugs? And I listened to the press conference of Caroline Leavitt, and she read out the law. She read out what the results and the consequences would be of these people, what options the homeless people have when the law enforcement comes to clean up the area. And they have the option to get help, to get services for addiction, for rehabilitation, whatever it may be. And and if they don’t want to do that, then, of course, there are other consequences that they’d have to face because, you know, this is a public sidewalk. You can’t just have someone build their home on a public sidewalk.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s right. No, I thank you, Sonny, for saying all that. And those that are listening, thinking, well, what’s wrong with homeless people living on. a public sidewalk you know we’re all paying for it that’s the point we’re all paying for it i’m not allowed to live there for free sunny you’re not allowed to live there for free i can’t go build a house there so why should these people be able to camp out there that’s how i see this i mean reality is even a lot of our national parks that we have most of them not all but most of them even require reservations and a payment of sorts if you would for a permit to even camp in said national park. So at the end of the day, Sonny, we require that, yet homeless can go camp out wherever they want to. It shouldn’t be that way.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely, and I’ll do you one better. When there are actual crimes that take place, for example, I was involved in a situation that happened when I was the only time that I’ve been in D.C., a homeless man came into the hotel that I was staying in, and it was a nice hotel. It was in a nice, fine area. There was a diplomat that, you know, that came there to check in the following day. And a homeless man came in and he was threatening to shoot us with a gun, which he didn’t, you know, he pulled up his shirt as if he was going to go grab it. We didn’t see anything. So I don’t know if he was just saying that or what, but it doesn’t really matter because the employees stood there and did absolutely nothing. They just watched the entire thing happen. The next day and the front desk, they did nothing. They were like, oh, you know, we’re so sorry. The security guard comes at 11 and then this is at 1045. You know, so we were just out of luck, I suppose. And we did call the police. We did file a report. And they, you know, they’re, oh, there are no cameras. We can’t do anything. This happens all the time. You know, if you had called us right away, maybe we would have. And excuse after excuse after excuse. And. That is the problem. And so when I talked to the employees the following day that had seen the entire thing take place, she was like, oh, yeah, well, I mean, that happens all the time, you know. Oh, geez.
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, I appreciate you also bringing that in. I think a lot of folks think that when we talk homelessness, you know, we’re being all – You know, hard and we don’t have any hard. And what about these people that truly don’t have a home and so on and so forth? Well, I’ve seen enough and been around enough and talked to enough police officers along these lines, Sonny, as well to know that, number one, this is by choice. In most cases, these are individuals that want to live this way. It’s not because they have to. They’ve chosen to. Those individuals that really are. You know, down on their luck, you know, that single mom that’s struggling and can’t make ends meet and has kids to feed and so on. There are so many programs, so many shelters, so many places, Sonny, that folks can go that the majority of people living on the streets are there because they have chosen to. It’s a way of life for them. They can get out of all of the responsibilities of life that folks like you and I and others have, all the listeners have, by the way. They get out of that by living on the street. Some cases it’s mental. I get that. In some cases it’s because of drug abuse. But in other cases, Sonny, it’s simply because they want to live that way because of – of the fact that they can get out of living life like you and I do. The reality is there’s no responsibilities in doing so. To them, it’s freedom. And the reality is, you know, we shouldn’t allow that. If you want to go live and you want to be free and so on, then great. Work hard, build up a nest egg, retire, go do whatever it is you want to go do, but otherwise be a productive part of society.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and listen, I mean, I think that there are, you know, there are some people who choose to live in an RV and they travel around the country and they do all sorts of things. I mean, there are all kinds of people in this world. And I mean, I think that is, you know, that’s one of the things that we have to protect in this country is that freedom, right? But you’re absolutely correct that there are so many factors of life that affect people that, you know, lead to them becoming vagrants on the street and in many cases, It is addiction. And, you know, I have a friend who works in homeless services out here in Los Angeles. And she’s not a conservative. You know, she wouldn’t call herself a conservative. And she’s just like a humanist. Like she really, you know, tries to see the best in people. And that’s how she got into that. And she’s like, Sonia, I, you know, it’s really crazy because we have so many of these services, right? We talk, oh, the left wants social welfare. all these programs that they have that we’re sending billions and billions of dollars on, millions, whatever it is.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, I think if you add it all up across the country, Sonny, it’ll be billions, no doubt. You take every single city, everything that we’re doing on that level, add all of that together, yeah, it’s billions, guaranteed.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And so she’s like, we have all these programs, but, you know, we’ll give them a place to stay. We’ll give them a house. We’ll help them set it up. I mean, she gets to the point where she is filling out paperwork with these people really like really in the thick of it, doing it with them, helping them. Sometimes they don’t even show up. They show up on meth. They show up on drugs and nowhere in the process of these of getting them from point A to point C. is there really truly an emphasis on helping them get help with drug addiction or rehabilitation or whatever it may be? And if there’s anything that I would say, okay, we’re spending money on that, it would be addiction. It would be addiction, help with that. Because that is, I mean, when you’re an addict, you will go through, you’ll put yourself through whatever it is because that’s how strong it truly is. And it is really sad. And I just think it’s so ironic and hypocritical that, again, we said, you know, the left, oh, all about these social welfare programs that, you know, putting billions of dollars into these programs to help, quote unquote, help people. And but oh, but the people who are on the street, they walk right by him just like the rest of us. So where’s the help for them? What are we really talking about here? Giving someone a house, they’re still going to be a meth addict. Giving someone a SNAP and EBT to spend money on soda and junk food doesn’t help them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. No, you’re exactly right. And again, this is a huge problem, huge topic. Trump is starting to address it. I mean, I think he’s taking the bull by the horns, if you would, Sonny, and setting an example as to how this can work. What’ll be interesting is, you know, what happens next? We get, you You know, he gets in there, gets D.C. going in the right direction, changes some things around. The question is going to be, A, he’s going to take a lot of flack. Of course, I already know that. Democrats are going to come after him no matter what he is. The guy could cure cancer and the left is going to still come after him at the end of the day. So the reality is they’re going to come after him. But the question is going to be. What does the rest of the country, when they start seeing what’s going on, and I get it, the numbers will be skewed by the press. They’re not going to say exactly what’s going on, but the word will get out. Social media, Sonny, will talk about the things that are happening in D.C. That’s one thing people forget. While mass media may not report on it, social media definitely will report on it. It’s going to be interesting to see what the rest of the country does when they see how well D.C. operates when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely, and I hope that people will see it. the law enforcement actually holding people accountable for crimes. And they’ve already seen a couple of videos of people getting arrested, like, you know, FAFO, like because they’re getting involved in obstruction of justice and then they end up getting arrested. And Tom Holman also just announced that the sanctuary city status has been revoked under this federalization. They think it’s the federalizations for 30 days. And so, you know, they are, they’re working with the police. And I think that, I think that we’re going to see we’re going to really see some results. I’m really hoping that hoping for that. And I’m also hoping that, you know, because people see, OK, they’re getting held accountable. I’m seeing a bunch of people getting arrested that, you know, people in other places will maybe think twice if they’re going to go out and just, you know, cause a ruckus for no reason because they think they’re not going to get arrested. Because if that’s not a problem, you know, and that’s a major problem that we’ve talked about on your show at length is why criminals are emboldened because of this rhetoric, because you have the left just completely flat out lying on purpose by design to continue to sow chaos. and to continue to push this unaccountability for violent crime, which is how, you know, criminals get away with this. And we have seen the degradation of our society. And that’s really what this is all about. I mean, you have, I think it was like Representative Ramirez, I’m not sure which state, but she was on live television talking about this, you know, the illegal immigration, all of the things that are going on when it comes to that. And she’s like, you know, my family’s undocumented. Are we even a nation of laws anymore? This is a representative in our society. In our government, I personally do not believe that that should be allowed. I don’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I agree with you 100% now. And I think what you just said is really key as well, and I always have to remind people of this. It is the goal of the Marxist movement to spread that chaos, have these cities act the way they do, have homelessness run rampant. Trust me, this is by design. They may not say that openly, but it is, Sonny, as you know, this is all by design.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. Absolutely. And they do a very good job of lying and selling this propaganda. I mean, I, you know, sometimes I’ll do searches on Instagram or TikTok to kind of find some good content and about socialism and communism. And I just get so infuriated because there are people, you know, all girls, all glammed up, you know, makeup and nice clothes and they have their coffee, they’re doing whatever. And they’re talking about, you know, how great communism would be. And, oh, wow, it must be. Wow. It would be so like as in a sarcastic manner saying, oh, yeah, it would be awful to have Mom Donnie’s or Mom Donnie as mayor, who is someone who really believes in human rights and wants people to have, you know, wants things to be fair. I’m like, do not like life isn’t fair, honey.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, it is not.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is not fair. It’s not meant to be this way. You really need to see God.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s right. Sunny, as always, I appreciate it. How do folks find you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you can find our Young Americans Against Socialism pages on social media, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter. We’re on all of it. Yas.org is our website. I actually just published the article I had mentioned last week. of one of our survivors, Daniela Ionescu, who talks about fleeing Romania after it, well, she actually left after the communist dictatorship was, you know, was ended. But she discusses what life was like under Romanian communism. So much so that, you know, Nadia Comaneci, who was, a famous gymnast, they all fled because of how horrible the quality of life was after Chase Eskew took power. And so we just released that article, if you’re interested, some incredible photos that she shared. And otherwise, you can find me, Sunny Rose Kay, on Instagram. If you search me, you can probably find me. So thank you so much for always having us. And yes.org is where you can go to support the organization as well so we can teach more people about socialism and save our country.
SPEAKER 08 :
Always a joy. Appreciate you very much, Sunny. Thanks for all that you do. Have a fabulous week.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you. Likewise.
SPEAKER 08 :
You’re very welcome. We’ll talk to you soon. And again, Sunny Kutcher, Young Americans Against Socialism, Mile High Coin coming up next. If you’ve got a collection of things, stuff, valuables, by the way, could be high-end watches, could be jewelry, could be rings, could just be loose gold that you’ve got kicking around, chains, things like that. David Gonzalez is going to praise all of that for you. If you want to turn into cash, he’ll help you with that as well. 720-370-3400.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560 closing out this hour. Charlie just sent me an article because I had not read this yet today. D.C. Mayor changes her tone on Trump as crackdowns ramp up. This is in CNN, by the way. So after Donald Trump won the presidential election, Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser flew to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate to see him. When Republicans pressured her over the giant Black Lives Matter lettering she installed in the front of the White House during Trump’s first term, she agreed to remove it. Her reasoning, the city has bigger fish to fry. Now, as Trump federalizes the police in the Capitol and deploys the National Guard, she faces perhaps the biggest test to date of her leadership and her ability to navigate the White House. Her comments in response to the announcement illustrate how she’s often trying to communicate multiple messages at one time. Basically, what she is saying is that it’s unsettling. It’s unprecedented, but she also says she welcomes the help and she kind of has softened her tone along these lines. In fact, she has said the fact that we have more law enforcement and presence in neighborhoods, that may be positive. It’s interesting because this is not what she was saying, I think, Charlie, just a couple of days ago. She was pretty much against Trump saying, you know, crime is down. We don’t need any help. We can handle things. There’s no problem here, basically, is what she’s been saying. She’s changed her tune on this. Now, as I read through all of this, I have to ask myself, why? She’s still a Democrat. Her stripes haven’t changed. So what’s the end goal here with her in all of this? Is it just simply the fact that she knows there’s no sense in fighting him? Is it that she doesn’t want to look like the GOAT when it’s all said and done? By the way, GOAT as in not greatest of all time, but she doesn’t want to be the butt of all jokes because she didn’t agree to pitch in and actually help. It’s interesting. And somebody even asked her about her relationship with Trump. She said, I’m the mayor. He’s the president. I mean, there’s always been our relationship. The mayor and the president of the United States will always have probably more interaction in the other city than the rest of the country, so we’re going to keep doing our job. Again, that’s not what she was saying a couple of days ago. She has really changed her tune in regards to all of what’s going on right now with what Donald Trump is going to do. Now, the other thing I would have to ask— is why didn’t you just clean this up on your own? Well, I already know, and I talked about this with Sonny. The reason why, and I know we ask it a lot on our side of the aisle, why do these mayors, why do these leaders continue to allow all of this nonsense to go on? Well, because they’re Marxists at their core. And the goal of the Marxist movement is create chaos, have government come in and be the fix of said chaos, so that government is who they’re dependent upon instead of God, or even themselves for that matter. Government wants to replace that. Marxists wants government to replace that, is what I should say. And don’t kid yourself. They’re a part of this. Now, you may talk to some of them, and they may not directly tell you they’re a part of it, and they may not even believe they’re a part of it in and of themselves, but they are. They believe in the same ideals. They believe in what that movement is all about. They may not truly believe they’re a Marxist, but trust me, they are. It’s sort of like, let me explain it this way. There are people out there that may not go to church every Sunday. In fact, they may not go to church very often. But they do believe in salvation, they believe in the gospel, they believe in what it means, they believe in what Christ did for them, and so on. So, you know, they are a Christian at that point. They may not practice the way a lot of other Christians do, but trust me, through and through, they’re a Christian. Now, they may not tell you in the same way that somebody that’s a – especially somebody that’s a hardcore fundamentalist, they may not tell you in that same way. But believe me, they are. I look at some of this in exactly the same way. A Mike Johnston, for example, if you were to get the mayor of Denver off to the side and say, are you really a Marxist? He would say, no, of course I’m not a Marxist. Well, he is. He believes in the same things. He stands for the same things. He’s a part of the movement. He won’t tell you that he’s a Marxist, but believe me. He’s a Marxist through and through. Same example I just gave you on the other side of the aisle. The difference is he’s on the left, and yes, in fact, he is a Marxist. He is promoting all of the Marxist things in what he’s doing in the city of Denver. All right, we’ll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you. I’m a rich guy.
