HR2 Richard Battle: Leaders vs Organizers, Regretful Trump Voters 5-14-25 by John Rush
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Hour number two, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. Richard Battle joining us now. Richard, welcome, sir.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good afternoon, John. Thanks for having us back with you.
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Always a joy. And when did leadership turn into organizing, and what does it mean?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, this is one of those pet peeves of mine that, Our country and our success over the years, we’ve had leadership in so many different places. It’s risen to the occasion. But the last few years especially, when you see an activity on TV, they never talk about who the leader is of that activity. They talk about who the organizer is. Mm-hmm. And so organizers slipped in much more than when it was used for unions and union organizing years ago. And there’s a big difference between leadership and organizing. And I think we need to recognize it and recognize the benefits of having leadership.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and correct me if I’m wrong here, but the way I’ve always looked at this, and I’ll use, I guess, a church example because that’s what I grew up in with lots of different events and things and so on. You can have a ladies’ luncheon, for example, to whereby there are different ladies in the group that are very good at getting things organized to have that luncheon held. They can make sure that everything is all set and organized. The tables are set correctly and everything is handled and done and so on. But it takes a real leader to come alongside those ladies and actually have that organization run smoothly all the way through. There’s a difference between organizing the event and leading the event. Am I correct in that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, absolutely, and I think if we remember back a couple of presidents ago who talked about leading from behind, and that’s what an organizer does. They don’t put themselves out front, so there’s no accountability or responsibility, but yet they have a disproportionate influence, almost a manipulation of what happens, whereas leaders, they accept a responsibility, and the spotlight is on them if something isn’t accomplished because of poor leadership. And that’s just a small scratch of the surface.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, John Maxwell always said, and one thing I’ve always taken to heart, and I utilize this particular phrase all the time, everything rises and falls on leadership. In other words, you can blame it on everything else you want to, but that guy at the top, that gal at the top, they’re responsible.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s it. And as we’ve said before, in good times, mediocre leaderships acceptable and tolerable and you don’t notice it. But when the fur flies, good leadership makes a big difference. And that’s when the big difference between an organizer who’s behind, leading from behind, which is following, and who does not take accountability, he sacrifices or she sacrifices those that they are working with, even though they’re the ones that kind of instigated everything.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay, so why do you feel, I’ve got my own thoughts on this, but why do you feel that we want to change that terminology around from, and not even the terminology, but just how that functions? Why do we want to change it from leader to organizer?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s a good question, and I’ve just got an opinion in that I think that that goes along with a movement toward a more centralized government, if you will, a more socialist-type government, because in that type scenario, you need fewer leaders in that, and you need everybody doing what they’re told to do and not thinking for themselves. And so people can be told what to do in an organizing fashion, but there’s always somebody behind the scenes that’s pulling the strings and making that happen. Whereas in a leadership environment, whether you’re leading a bank or a little league team or a Boy Scout or Girl Scout troop or anything else, when you have a leadership hierarchy, you have independent thought and responsibility, and you have goals and things that you want to do, and it’s much more geared toward our individual liberty.
SPEAKER 15 :
I look at it, and everything you said I agree with. I would add to that that leadership, true leadership, empowers others to go out and do things, think on their own, and make accomplishment, whereby organizers want you to just do what they tell you to do, period. In other words, don’t think for yourself, I’m going to tell you what to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s a good example, and I agree right there because empowering others is one of the things that helps ensure long-term success. Besides preparing your successors when you’re in a leadership position, I tell people the number two responsibility besides achieving your objectives is is preparing future leadership. And whereas in an organizing scenario, I don’t believe that’s as focused upon as it is in a leadership type environment.
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No, I think true leaders, Richard, first of all, and we all as business owners have had to do this, if you’re a good owner, I guess I should say, typically a good owner, Richard, may make, let’s use this example, they make a hire. You know, they bring somebody in and they realize, you know what, I like this person. I want to have him on my team. So they bring him in for position A. Well, they may learn after some time that, you know, position A is great, and while I thought I hired them to do position A, I’m learning that, you know what, they’re better suited for position C than they are for position A, and I just need to empower them a little more to go do C, and I’ll find somebody else to come in and do A. A good leader understands that and makes those adjustments and gets that person into the exact role that they need to be in, where, frankly, Richard, an organizer is going to say, listen, you’re going to do A no matter what, and if not, I’m firing you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, that’s correct, and I always use the analogy of just think of a baseball team, and you put somebody at shortstop and you find out that they can’t field ground balls. They may be better at pitcher or catcher or outfield, but they can still contribute to the team, and the best leaders put people in the positions where they can succeed for the team but also for themselves short-term and long-term.
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Talk about your experience in 1987 on a city bond election.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it was interesting because we were going through a real estate crash, and they had a bond issue for some affordable housing, and so I ended up leading the opposition to it. And I found myself faced with the Saul Alinsky organizer, who would have been the equivalent like Barack Obama was in Chicago. And so back at that time, I read Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals, several magazine articles about him because I wanted to learn more the tactics and strategies that they were going to use to try to win that election. And it was very, very, uh, important that I did. We ended up winning, uh, because we understood what they were trying to do. And it was interesting. And probably the number one thing that I learned out of that was that the tactics said, uh, you do what you want to do, but you tell them what they tell your opponents, what they want to hear. And so I was able to utilize that debating a former mayor on a television program and use that to, I think, sway the election our direction.
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You know, great story. I don’t think you’ve ever told me that story. So that’s a really great example. Good story, by the way. And bottom line, we’re really trying to get at here is there’s a difference between organizers and leaders. Yet we live in a society where we want to join them together.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, some people want to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, you and I don’t, but I think there’s others that would love to.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I think that they use that term, and most people don’t really pay attention to it, and they don’t really… know or think about the differences. You know what, I would agree with that. No, I would agree with that.
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In fact, I would go as far as to say, Richard, and partly why I enjoy talking to you each week, and we do a lot of things regarding the whole leadership aspect of things, because I personally believe it’s one of the things that when things start to go awry, whether it be in a church, whether it be in a business, whether it be in a country, it’s due to lack of leadership. That’s my opinion.
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that’s the bottom line in nearly every situation. Any organization that goes down, it’s usually from a lack of leadership at the time that hasn’t been prepared from the previous generation. So if you want long-term success, you’ve got to prepare for it. And so I put in seven principles, and this is an essay from Made in America by Mary Cairns, not Mary Cairns. And One, they accept responsibility. Leaders accept responsibility. Organizers, in my opinion, don’t. Second, they visualize where they want to take their organization. And then they realize long-term success for their organization beyond their tenure for the organization and team members. They’re not focused short-term. And when you’re in an organization and they’re focused short-term, if you want to be there long-term, it will not succeed long-term. Then they inspire others to follow them, which requires good communications. It requires telling people where you’re going to take them and why it’s important, why their individual job is important to the success of the team. These are things, to refer back to what you said a minute ago, organizers don’t do a lot. They just tell you to go do X.
SPEAKER 15 :
Got it, got it. And again, all of these, Richard, I should make sure that we let people know, once again, where can they actually read all of those in that particular book?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, this is an essay in the book Made in America by Americans, not Americants, that we wrote a couple years ago. And it was an essay with specific, as we tried to do in that book, specific ideas of how to instill that Americandu spirit and be more successful.
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Now, along those same lines, given I said this last week, but we’re rolling into the whole graduation end of things. In fact, people, if they haven’t bought gifts, really ought to be getting on that right now as we speak. Some colleges have already gone through that. High schools will be over the next couple of weeks. Given all of that, Richard, how do they find you and how can they buy a book and give that to a graduate? Which, by the way, great resources you have when it comes to graduates.
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Well, thank you. And let me say first, Oliver Wendell Holmes said, a mind stretched by a new idea never returns to its previous state. So we never know when one idea can change a person’s life. And so that’s what I try to do in the things that I write, is fill it with ideas, hoping that people will grasp some and be life-changing. And my website is richardbattle.com. If you order anything, everything’s signed. But if you’d like it inscribed, email me, richard at richardbattle.com. All 11 books with 12 coming next month are on Amazon, including Kindle and audio versions as well.
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Awesome. Richard, as always, I appreciate it very much. And again, for those of you that are looking for a really great special gift, something that frankly will benefit that particular graduate for the rest of their life, I highly suggest you go to Richard’s site and get a book. And as always, Richard, I appreciate you very much.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s always my pleasure, John. God bless America.
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All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. There is an article in… Apple News, and I get it, you know, different news sites. This was an actual – make sure I go back. This is a reprint – not a reprint. This is a link. The way Apple News works is they kind of collectively take a lot of different news sites and kind of combine it into one, and I get it through Apple News as an Apple user. Anyways, there was an article that they put out this morning from Vox. Not Fox, Vox with a V, V-O-X, which – is what the liberals did years ago to counter Fox News. They did Vox, V-O-X. I don’t know what the V in all of that came from, Charlie. Oh, Latin for voice. Thank you, Charlie. So that’s where that came from. So it’s their alternative to Fox News. And there was an article this morning titled The Rise of the Regretful Trump Voter. And as I read through it, I’m thinking, OK, yeah, there’s always going to be some folks that vote one way versus the other that are, you know, quote unquote, regretful of what they did. Now, I will say this. Some of the people that they actually picked and interviewed along these lines, because guaranteed they picked these people. They didn’t just have a rise of individuals that came to them and said, oh, I wish I’d never voted for Trump. No, I’m guessing they find these people one way or the other. And I will also guess that especially this particular young lady is a young black woman that that they interviewed in this particular article, a 37 year old black Philadelphian. And this particular individual is complaining that while she voted for Trump, thinking he would bring down prices, it hadn’t happened yet, and she was regretful that she had voted for him. Now, I don’t know when this interview with this particular person was done, because in the last hour, next hour, we’re going to talk to a couple of different individuals, including Scott Garlis, to talk about some of the CPI numbers that are out, and actually things are lower. In fact, there was data out this morning that inflation is now the lowest it’s been in four years, meaning that things are costing less now. There’s more eggs on the shelf at less price. Fuel is costing less. On and on we go. So the reality is it’s opposite of what this article is actually talking about. And it’d be interesting to know, when did they actually do this interview with this Philadelphia voter? Was it a week ago or two months ago? Because things take time. All these people that thought Trump would get into office, you know, January whatever it was, with 20-something, right, Charlie? I want to say I don’t have the exact date. Don’t care. January. I think everybody thought, oh, yeah, prices will be down next week. Folks, it doesn’t work that way. And all of us, of course, on this side understand that. But there’s a lot of folks out there, and I’m not calling them, you know, Rush used to call them the uneducated voter or whatever he had a term for. I’m not calling them that because everybody has different ways that they look at things and so on. And no, some people aren’t as politically astute as others. A lot of you listening, you’re more politically astute than most because you listen to the likes of me and others. And so you’re a little bit more in tune with things than most people are. Now, that doesn’t mean that other people are bad or dumb. They’re just not as in tune with some of these things as you are. So I always hesitate to call people an uneducated voter, although I think there’s a lot of uninformed voters that really don’t understand how things work. And with maybe a little bit of education, they may. Bottom line, what I’m going with this is things take time. especially when you talk about lowering prices when it comes to some of the commodities that we buy on a daily basis. Those things don’t turn around overnight. It can take five, six months to get those things turned around. We’re at the roughly five-month mark right now, just shy of five months. Actually, is it even five months, Charlie? February, March, April, May, we’re four months in. So, folks, we’re already seeing the results of some of what Trump has done only four months in. That’s actually pretty fast, considering all things. Frankly, considering how bad things were left under Joe Biden. So reality is we’re seeing huge improvements from where we were just four months later. Again, data today showing inflation numbers are at a level that we haven’t seen in four years. And yet Vox is going to publicize some of these things. You know, the rise, the rise. Keep in mind, that’s the key word here. The rise of the regretful Trump voter. Folks, I don’t see that many of these. There are some. And I think there were some that maybe voted for the wrong reasons. Trump still became president, but they might have voted for the wrong reason. And I’ve read to you guys different articles where they’ll go find that family that came here illegally, where now somebody’s deported, and they actually, which I always wonder, they say they voted for Trump. I think, okay, wait a minute, the family’s illegal. How did they vote for Trump in the first place? You see where I’m going with this? They didn’t. So they’re telling you they did. The article is saying that they did, but they couldn’t have, unless they did it illegally, of course. But they couldn’t have voted for Trump. They’re not here legal. Now, there’s other articles also of families where maybe somebody in the family, a relative that’s come in, wasn’t legal. They are. They voted for Trump, and now they’re a little bit upset that so-and-so, I’ve got an article I was going to read that to you on Monday. I didn’t get a chance to do it. But, you know, so-and-so is now risking deportation. And as I read through some of these articles, and I realized, oh, wait a minute, that family member’s been here 15 years. So time out. You voted for Trump, and you’re now mad because so-and-so in your family’s getting deported, and yet so-and-so’s been here in America 15 years. How is that our country’s fault that they’re being deported when they’ve had 15 years to become a citizen? Fifteen, not five, not 15 months, 15 years. And yet they decided for whatever reason not to become a U.S. citizen. To me, that’s personal responsibility or the lack thereof. And that’s on them, not us. I say us, us as the United States of America and what Trump’s doing in regards to immigration. So with every one of these articles and every one of these things you see where there’s a headline like this, the rise of the regretful Trump voter, folks, there’s not as many of them as you think. And I will venture to guess that knowing what came out today in statistics, knowing what’s happening with actual grocery prices, knowing what’s happening with fuel prices, I guarantee you that if you were to go back and interview some of these people, especially do it a month or two from now, it’s going to be a horse of a different color. Guaranteed. The problem with a lot of people is they’re very emotional based when they vote and look at things. They don’t look at things long term and or factually. It’s all done off of emotion, unfortunately. Now, this is where, by the way, the Democrats are big. They realize the emotional part of that and they grab a hold of that. They literally know that that’s what that voter’s into, and they’re going to work off of those emotions. They’re good at that. They’re much better at that than we are. We’re very factual. We’re very stoic at times. We’re going to vote for that person because of X or because there’s an R next to their name or because they know they’re going to do this for the economy or they’re going to be a champion for us in this. The other side doesn’t do that. They vote off of fear, rage, denial of the truth. I can go down the list. Literally, those are the things that they vote on. And they, last but not least, do it intellectually and factually. Most folks on the left don’t vote factually or intellectually, because if they did, they wouldn’t vote the way they do. And or they’re very misguided in what they think is something factual. One of the two. But that’s what we’re dealing with when we’re running even here in Colorado, our candidates, because that’s what we’re up against. It’s something that we as conservatives in Colorado have to start realizing and why it’s so important. I know I talk about this a lot, but it’s so important for us to run the right candidate in the right area. And no, just because they’re principled, quote unquote, doesn’t mean they’re qualified to run in that particular race. A lot of great principled people in this state doesn’t mean they should run for office. Doesn’t mean they should run for that particular office in some cases. And I mean that with all sincerity, and I’m trying to be as kind as I can be, but the reality is we don’t win enough because we don’t run the right candidate. And I will stand by that until we start running the right candidates. And the problem is the last administration we had here in the Colorado GOP has no idea what I just said, because going back to Richard Battle, who was just on with me, they don’t understand leadership. I would go as far as to say, Richard, today talking about leaders versus organizers. The last leadership we had here, and I use leadership loosely, the last individuals we had running the Colorado GOP, they were more of the organizing type and not leaders. Literally, they were the organizers and not leaders. That’s the problem we’ve got right now in the Colorado GOP is we had organizers at the helm, not leaders. I’ll leave it at that. We’ll talk to Sonny Kutcher here in a moment. Cub Creek Heat and Air Conditioning coming up next. If you’ve got any problems at all with your air conditioning system, give them a call today. Find them at klzradio.com.
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Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Sonny Kutcher joining us now. Young Americans Against Socialism. Sonny, welcome. How are you today?
SPEAKER 16 :
Doing well. My favorite part of the week.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, thank you. We appreciate that. And it’s our favorite part as well. All right. What do you want to cover today? Lots of things to talk about. There’s never, you know, it’s never a dull moment. Let’s just say that. Unfortunately, there’s never a dull moment.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely, and I think today a lot was moving and shaking, that’s for sure. I mean, of course, we have a lot of wins coming from the administration. President Trump is on a winning streak, absolutely. But I think the part that has been frustrating me the most is just seeing the lack of action from the House of Representatives, or from the Congress, I should say. But it just seems glaringly obvious that they are… But they have no incentive to codify Trump’s agenda, to implement these orders as laws so that they cannot be reversed. And we know that in two years, you know, things will get a little bit interesting.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I agree with you. I think, A, we’ve had lots of wins on the Trump front. We need to have more wins in the legislative front, I think, Sonny, is the way that I would couch that. Now, I understand that the wheels of motion move fairly slowly on that end of things. You’ve got to try to get everybody on the same page. I also know that we don’t have a lot of leverage in the Senate. You know, we are barely— a majority there, but the reality is there still is one. And I’m like you, I’m disappointed that we haven’t seen more bills being sent through that would, you know, codify some of these things that Trump is doing. And frankly, I don’t have a good answer as to why, other than I think there’s just some weak Republicans right now.
SPEAKER 16 :
I mean, there was even a list of, what was it, I think it was like 17 to 20, I’m not sure the exact number of house republicans that are unwilling to vote on the doge cut on qualifying the doge cut that it’s like that is it quite possibly could be the most important uh… aspect of you know what the trump administration is trying to root out of the current government it’s just it really is i guess it shouldn’t be quite shocking because so many people are you know bought and compromised there’s just really no other thing to say other than that
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and, yeah, I can’t disagree with you on any of that. And they’re, you know, bought and paid for in many different ways, and some of them have been there far too long, as we know. Again, you know, we can talk about term limits and things like that, but the reality is we don’t have them, so talking about it is irrelevant until we actually have them. And, frankly, Sonny, I don’t think we’re going to have those any time soon. I’m sorry to say that, and I was not trying to burst anybody’s bubble, but we’ve been – That comment, by the way, has been going around since I was much younger than you. So the reality is it’s been out there for a long time, hasn’t happened yet. I don’t anticipate it happening. I think the biggest thing we need to do is just make sure that we are, which you and I do on a regular basis, but hold these people accountable, hold their feet to the fire, and that takes all of us in doing so. And what I mean by that, Sonny, is as these people are out and about doing their town halls and they’re having conversations and or some bill is about to run, And, you know, you can call their office and leave a message or send an email. I mean, we have got to do those things and stay involved if we’re going to hold these folks accountable.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. I mean, that is really, truly the only recourse for us. I mean, these people, you know, are supposed to be our elected representatives. And, you know, especially with the lobbying that’s allowed. I mean, there is, you know, I heard this earlier, like it’s the institutions that need complete control. reform. I mean, the institutions have crumbled, truly. I mean, I guess that’s why it’s so important to call out the truth of, you know, when certain things happen. For example, the Democratic lawmakers who either stormed or obstructed ICE from bringing in those criminals into the detention center in Newark, New Jersey. And they’re discussing it today, you know, Speaker Johnson and whatnot. And They’re like, well, yeah, maybe we’ll censure them. It’s like, okay, great. That’s not what we’re looking for. These people are actually aiding and abetting violent criminals. I don’t understand how much more criminal can you get? It just makes absolutely no sense. People are extremely frustrated. I don’t see really a change in sight. I’m not A.G. Pambondi’s biggest fan, I would say, not only because of the lack of Action, which, as you mentioned earlier, things do take time, and you want to do it the right way, which I, of course, encourage and support.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really quick, and I have a ton of respect for you, as you know, I will give Pam a little more grace than probably some will, only because I know how that works. particular office and all the things work. And I know there’s a lot of frustration from folks out there regarding her thinking she’s not doing enough quickly enough, although the wheels of justice and making sure that the cases that she prosecutes, Sonny, so when they bring somebody in, it’s so important, especially And so in her defense, in today’s world, in what we’re living in with all of these corrupt judges, keep that in mind as well, that she’s now going to be up against as we bring some of these things through. I say we because we’re all in this together. But as she brings some of these cases forward, they have got to be 100 percent buttoned up, sealed, making sure that there’s a win there. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time and it’s a black eye for us if we don’t.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. I mean, I definitely agree. I just do think that she lacks a little bit of fortitude when it comes to speaking about certain topics.
SPEAKER 15 :
And just really quick. And again, this is kind of a learning lesson, I think, for a lot of us, myself included. Keep in mind, that’s not her job. I mean, she is not a communicator. She is not supposed to be in front of the microphone if there’s. Anybody and this is one of the things that I have a complaint with in regards to us as Republicans in general and even the current White House and Donald Trump himself. We don’t communicate well enough. But to give her a pass on that, Sonny, that’s not her job. That’s the White House’s job.
SPEAKER 16 :
But do you think that—I mean, I just get frustrated with her, you know, many appearances on Fox News, right? Like, she’s talking about all of these things that are happening, and I do think it’s important. There needs to be transparency and whatnot. But I’m just frustrated. Like, those Democratic lawmakers, I mean, I’d have to, you know, kind of see the process, but it’s—I mean— How can they’re not just being outright like they need? They should be expelled from Congress like they there should be a conversation about what it actually means.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and again, this is this is probably like that is probably a little bit above my pay grade. But when it comes to expelling lawmakers, I believe that’s above her pay grade as well. Now, she can do things justice speaking and, you know, legal speaking. But as far as how that works, as far as expelling an actual, you know, senator or congressperson, I think that’s above her pay grade. Again, I’m not sure, Sonny, that’s not something that I’m super up on.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s actually, right, I mean, it actually would take two-thirds of Congress. Like, they have to vote on it. They have to, it’s the two-thirds of Congress, I believe, in order to expel somebody. But my point is that I just think that there have been so many examples where, you know, People want to see some sort of repercussion, some sort of consequence. It’s just really frustrating. I’m willing to give And I’m like you.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m one where I was mentioning this a moment ago before I had you on where folks are thinking about the economy and it’s not getting turned around fast enough, and yet we have some of the lowest inflation numbers we’ve had in four years that came out today. Some of this stuff takes time. In the case of Pambon, keep in mind, some of those folks have only been at it for about 90 days because of what it took to get confirmed and so on. And I just know even as a business owner that there are some things that – It takes you more than 90 days to get wound up and get going. So here’s my thought on Pam, and this is where I’m willing to give a little bit of grace. I’ll give her 180 days. I give six months. If we don’t see some real action by then, then yes, I will definitely be on your side and be saying, listen, you’re not doing enough. But I’m also one to know how some of that works on the admin sides of things, and I’ll give that 180 days, but that’s it for me.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that’s fair. I also think that there’s a level of discrepancy here when it comes to the institutions that are not on our side, that are not on the side of holding people accountable. Absolutely. figure out how they’re going to readjust the bureaus and the agencies in order to actually be following the law. Of course, there are so many good people, as they say, but a lot of these people, they won’t even write the email, right? Saying five things that we did this week.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. And really quick, you bring up a great point. And I want to dovetail, because I think I saw some things, you know, Kash Patel, FBI, the things that are going on there, which, you know, they and DOJ, you know, worked very close together. And I think there’s even some folks that are a little frustrated that there’s not as many things coming out of Kash that there would be. Again, I’m going to give him the same grace that I’m going to give, you know, Pam Bondi, and those two are going to work together. But remember that… They have to have things ironclad before they decide to go out and, quote, unquote, arrest somebody and bring someone in, you know, an ATF agent that’s just gone rogue. I mean, before they bring some of those folks in and do anything disciplinarian speaking, they’ve got to make sure they’ve got their ducks in a row. Or again, Sonny, that person not only gets to go free or gets to go back to their job, that’s going to be all over the news because the left will run with that, you know, from here to eternity and back. And then it gives us a black eye.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And that’s a really difficult obstacle to be up against.
SPEAKER 15 :
It really is. And so, again, I’m like you. I want to see action. I want them to get things done. But I also know that they have got to orchestrate things. And I hate to say it this way, Sonny, but it has to be darn near perfect, probably more so than it’s ever been in the past because, to your point, who we’re up against.
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And I mean, they will they’ll take the narrative and spin it and people will believe it no matter what happens.
SPEAKER 15 :
So we know that, you know what, you are 100 percent correct on that one as well. Again, all the more reason why any agency, whether it be, you know, Kash Patel, whether it’s Bissette doing things on the financial end, you know, whether it’s Donald Trump himself, whether it’s Pam Bondi, you know, I can go down the list of all of these different department heads. It’s so important. that those guys get things right. And the fact of the matter is, they’re like you and I. They are fallible. They are not perfect. They’re going to make mistakes. And the problem is, we’re in a day and age, Sunny, to where, I hate to say this, they can’t.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. And this is just such an important time because, you know, if we, like, there’s just so much already that has slipped through the cracks when it comes to, you know, the progressive creating laws that actually substantiate what their agenda is. And I mean, that’s why it’s so hard to fight back. And that’s why it’s so frustrating. We don’t see the same sort of action coming from the other side, trying to conserve values, conserve our agenda. And so that is frustrating. But this is what we’re up against. It’s been going on for years and we have to just keep fighting, I guess. The one thing I can say is that we… We’ll always be speaking the truth, and the more people that know the truth, the more strength we have.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and you bring up a great point, which is something I have to be reminded of as well, and I try to remind my listeners of. Some of this stuff has been so ingrained for so long, and yes, while all of us, myself included, want to see these things turned around yesterday, reality is, as I said earlier, the wheels of time in this particular case, they do go a little slower. You’ve got to make sure you’ve got your ducks in a row. We are fighting a huge—the swamp, as you know, Sonny— It is a huge machine that has ingrained itself into America over probably my entire lifetime. The past 50, 60 years, that thing has been there doing what it does best. And it is just like the economy. You’re not going to turn it around on a dime. What’s that old saying? Sonny, the bigger the ship, the longer it takes to turn it around?
SPEAKER 16 :
Absolutely. And we’re about to run into some big icebergs, I think.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, we have got a huge ship, and it does take some time. Now, all that being said, I’m with you, Sonny, that, yes, we still have to have action. And I believe this is something that the administration is not doing well enough at, the Pam Bondys and so on as well. You’ve got to celebrate the little wins. You’ve got to let your supporters know that, yes, we are winning at some of the things that we’re doing. And if there’s any complaint I have— and I always have had, with this particular administration and us as Republicans in general, we don’t do what I just said well enough.
SPEAKER 16 :
Very much so. We do. And it is important to celebrate those things, and there is a lot happening, especially with trade, with the economy. I do believe that President Trump has a long-term strategy, of course, to turn the ship around and save our country from total disaster. as well as bringing peace among groups of people. You know, we’ve seen for so long the division that’s been stoked upon us simply for profiteering.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
the elite to profit off of just division and chaos that ensues.
SPEAKER 15 :
And really, could you jump in there really quick, Sonny? Look at what’s going to happen in the whole pharmaceutical end of things with what Trump just did with an executive order to stabilize drug prices and handle things to where we as a country are no longer going to handle the R&D for the entire world. That playing field needs to be leveled. And Sonny, you and I both know that there are there are politicians on both sides of the aisle that are in bed with big pharma that frankly are not going to, they’re not going to like what they guarantee. They don’t like what just went on because that could very easily affect their donations coming in from big pharma.
SPEAKER 16 :
Oh, absolutely. And China and so on and so forth.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 16 :
They’ve been damn it for so many years and just making, you know, countless amounts of money. It’s just endless. So again, Yeah, and that’s why, you know, when people talk about President Trump and, you know, nefarious motives, or I should say influences, it’s just, it’s preposterous. I mean, you know, of course, like you said, everyone is fallible. We’re not perfect people. We are flawed. But I think the proof is in the pudding, and we are seeing that the people are being put first. It does just take time because it’s been so… woven into the intricacies of how our institutions work and the welfare system. One thing I’m seeing is that I would really appreciate more help from the states to help their citizens wean off of these programs like Medicaid. There’s a big hullabaloo about those cuts and stuff like that. So that’s something that I’d really like to see more of.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. Actually, we talked about that on the National Crawford Roundtable. Bob and I, we recorded some things this morning along those exact same lines, Sonny, talking about that very thing that you just mentioned. And in some cases, Sonny, I’ll just say this. Yes, I think there’s some things that the states could do. I also think that in some cases we’ve allowed certain things to go on for so long that some people have got so used to it that now they are up in arms because they actually have to go to work and not be on Medicaid.
SPEAKER 16 :
Very true. And a lot of this is also multi-generational. They’re able to get their kids and so on to be kind of ingratiated into the plan, into the benefits.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it’s been taught from, to your point, generation to generation to generation. I’ve seen different videos, and I get it. Not everything on social media is exactly true. But, Sonny, I’ve seen enough to where there are young ladies, for example, to where they may have five, six, I saw one, eight baby daddies, and maybe even having another one on the way, and they’re mad because some benefits might actually be cut. And I’m thinking to myself, yeah, you are the problem in why we have to do some of these things because you have done nothing but suck off the system your whole life.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it’s very sad. And that, you know, leads to a greater conversation about our values and what we’ve, you know, what people have been, the types of mentality and values that people have been conceiving for so many years. That’s something that I’m just so passionate about because I think without that, I mean, like you can see the barbarity, just the depravity of things that go on, whether it’s, you know, illegal aliens being violent criminals, whether it’s kids fighting and killing each other. I mean, it’s like outrageous. Really, it’s awful. So that, I mean, you know, just taking advantage of a system that, of course, is meant to help people. But it was also, you know, a lot of these programs were created to just have people become dependent. It’s doing exactly what it was created to do.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, no, it goes back to you at Young Americans Against Socialism. The Marxist socialist aspect of things, Sonny, to your point, has exactly created that. And that’s why I believe there’s so many leaders, quote unquote, that do not want to see these things go away because it’s a part of the playbook.
SPEAKER 16 :
Definitely. And it also just creates more problems for them. They have more issues to deal with. Okay, now we have all these people who aren’t going to get any benefits. Are they going to have work? You know what I mean? What’s going to happen to all those kids that aren’t being cared for? That’s right. And that’s the problem when you have people dependent on the state. And that’s why it’s so frustrating because we look at our country and we’re grateful for the economic independence that we have, but then there are also so many… once again, programs ingratiated into the system that are just woven in so deep. And that was really the work that they did, I would say, probably starting around 50 years ago, or maybe even longer, 75 years ago, that really set us up for the situation that we’re in now.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s right. You’re exactly right. All right. How do folks find you, Sonny?
SPEAKER 16 :
You can find us at yaas.org, Y-A-A-S.org, to check out our resources, get involved. We are looking for contributors for content. If it’s something that you’re interested in joining our team to help us with social media, we’d love to chat with you and see what you’re passionate about. And you can also support us there, support the mission, support the message. and get it out to as many people as possible. Thank you for having us on.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I always enjoy it. It’s always a great time. Appreciate you very much. We’ll see you again next week. In the meantime, folks, visit the website, donate as you can. And, Sonny, I will let you go. Thank you again for all your time.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, as always.
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