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In this captivating episode, host John Rush is joined by a panel of speakers to explore the internal workings of the Colorado political scene. Learn about past actions and strategies that have fueled rumors around Dave Williams’ potential candidacy for governor. Gain insights into the complexities of political influence, the backlash against current GOP strategies, and the driving forces behind political maneuvers. Discover why the stakes are higher than ever as leaders grapple with maintaining relevance in a rapidly shifting political landscape.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. OK, before we get back into Trump and what he’s gone on the last couple of days, let’s talk some local politics here and potentially some rumors that Andy has heard about what may be happening in regards to who’s going to run for governor. on our side of the aisle in Colorado. Now, along those lines, Scott Bottoms, who’s a pastor here in Colorado, from Colorado Springs, he has all, he’s a state representative as well, he’s already thrown his hat in the ring. He announced that to his congregation last Sunday. Great. Do you know Scott at all?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
Me neither. Never met him, so no idea who he is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
I will tell you by the article that I read, nothing against you, Scott, but I can tell by the article that I read in his, and again, this is the left writing about him, so you always have to give somebody the benefit of the doubt and actually have a conversation with them. But if everything in this article is true, he doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of winning in Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. I don’t know him, so I have no idea.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, in regards to that… Does he have some, like, you know, is he against abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, danger?
SPEAKER 14 :
Hardcore on all those things, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Again, given the climate… Against gay marriage. Yes, given the climate in Colorado, he doesn’t stand a chance.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s a blue state. And again, it’s unfortunate, but yes, we live in a blue state. He’s embraced the election conspiracy. He’s opposed efforts to protect and expand the rights of transgender people, which, by the way, I could care less about.
SPEAKER 04 :
Take a step back. You said he embraces the election conspiracy.
SPEAKER 14 :
That alone is enough.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, obviously, I do not agree with their terminology and how they put that. This is a leftist that’s writing this. However, anybody who gets into the 2020 steal we have said over and over and over again is going to be a disaster here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Especially in Colorado. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Other states may be divided, but not here. This is why Ron Hanks, when he ran in, what was it, CD3? Yes. Yeah, okay. When Ron Hanks ran in CD3, the Democrat was literally spending money on ads trying to help Ron Hanks in the primary. Right. Okay. Because of that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Absolutely. No. Okay. And again, I don’t know all of his stances. This article’s calling him one of the more controversial members of the legislature. I don’t know some of what he’s done in the past and so on. I would have to roll through and look at some of those things. I just know from the… If those two or three things that are in this article are correct about him, and if you want to call in and defend yourself, you’re more than welcome to, Scott. But at the end of the day, if those things are true, yeah, not a snowball’s chance.
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not in Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, and that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t like him. I’m sure I would. Oh, yeah. Probably a great guy. This is nothing personal.
SPEAKER 14 :
This is just politics. How are you going to get elected in Colorado as governor? That’s what this is about.
SPEAKER 04 :
But, John, you know, I’ve heard only a rumor, just a rumor. There’s a worse candidate.
SPEAKER 14 :
There can’t be.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, there is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know, as we were mentioning last week, who is running for state chair now? Darcy Schoening.
SPEAKER 14 :
Darcy, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And what did I say?
SPEAKER 14 :
There’s a reason why she is.
SPEAKER 04 :
There’s no way Darcy Schoening would run against Dave Williams. She is hopelessly devoted to him, okay, to Dave Williams. So why would she do this except that Dave is not running for state chair again, which I said, you know, maybe he will and she drops out and endorses him and they do some kind of a two-step there. But… It looks like Dave Williams is probably not running for chair. Well, a rumor, just a rumor. We don’t know. Facebook rumor.
SPEAKER 14 :
We can’t verify this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Nope, not verifying. Nope. But you may hear it here first. Yeah. Is that Dave might be running for governor.
SPEAKER 14 :
Lord help us. Lord help us.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, come on.
SPEAKER 14 :
When Andy told me that before we started the show, I did say that, okay, if in fact he does, and again, you may be hearing this here first. We will see. So Dave Williams, at this point, rumors are he may be running for governor of Colorado. Now, here’s the plus side if he does. Maybe he’s floating a trial balloon. Maybe he’s throwing it out there. I don’t know. But here’s the plus side if he does. He won’t win the primary. No. Period. And by the way, now here’s a question, though, Andy. Yes. If he gets done what he’d like to do, would there be a primary in 26?
SPEAKER 04 :
See, and this is where it goes. Let’s say that he gets Darcy Shaning through, because Darcy Shaning is much, and it might be Shoning. It’s S-C-H-O-E-N. I’ve heard Shaning, but it could be Shoning. I’ll say Shaning.
SPEAKER 14 :
Just call her Darcy. Whatever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Whatever. If Darcy wins the state chair position, she will push very hard to get us out of a primary. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Through the lawsuit and all that stuff, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
Use the lawsuit to get us out of the open primary. And by the way, they were close to getting the votes to get us out of the open primary, fairly close before, because you got a lot of people on the SEC who are so angry at the open primary. By the way, they’re insane. Sorry. And good people. I’m sure I agree with them on a lot of things, but they’re insane on this topic. Right. Opting out of the open primary is the dumbest. It’s a total death knell to the party. But setting all that aside, the strategy of this makes perfect sense. If she can get us out of a primary so he doesn’t have to run in a primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
Then he’s a shoo-in to be the nominee.
SPEAKER 04 :
Then he has, just going through assemblies, then he has a very good chance.
SPEAKER 14 :
He would be the candidate then.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, he has a very good chance.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, in that particular setting? Probably, Andy. It’s almost a shoe-in.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, because once again, as we’ve said before, less than 1% of Colorado Republicans go to caucus and assembly. If you only have to go through caucus and assembly and through those methods to get to win… And if it’s only in those settings where they hold the vote, however they’re going to structure it, and there’s been a few different plans, but however they’re going to structure it, if they only hold it in those settings to hold the vote for who is our candidate because we don’t have a primary, because once again, if you get out of the open primary, that doesn’t mean you have a closed one. It means you have no primary. You have to put through a different system as a party. Correct. If there is no primary, Dave could actually become the candidate for the Republicans. Now, in a general election, I can’t even calculate the percentage that Dave would lose by. In a general election running for governor in Colorado. 80-20. It could be 80-20. He could literally lose by 60%. Mm-hmm. Now, I don’t think it’d be that bad because there are so many Republicans in our state who would just say, I cannot vote. I’ve got to vote Republican. I’ve got to vote the R. No matter what. No matter what. And I’m one of them. I don’t know that I could vote for him, but I would because I always vote the R. I would be going out of my mind.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because I think that might be the only time in my life I’d write someone else’s name in.
SPEAKER 04 :
It would be tempting. I would be very tempted. I’m not kidding. I have always voted the R. Me too. I’ve never written in. I’ve never done the Ron Hanks thing. Me neither. And campaigned against my party.
SPEAKER 14 :
Me neither, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
But anyway, yeah, he could literally lose by 80-20. I think it would be more like 70-30, which is still unbelievable.
SPEAKER 14 :
Still bad.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. It is possible that their entire plan is for, because Darcy is much more electable than Dave is for the state party chair. Just because she actually works. She has been out in the field. She has been helping candidates. And these people don’t know that she buys into all the absolute kooky things that Dave does. And she does. She supported him. She supported Dave through every crazy… Dave having the state party campaign against its own candidates, which they did. Never been done before. She supports that. Okay. I mean, Dave running… Dave actually running in a primary against fellow Republicans while serving as their state chair. And using state money to do so. And using state money to do so. Darcy supported that. The state party actually putting out literature and putting it to tens of thousands of homes that campaigned for the state chair and against… The Republican who wound up winning, she supported that. Okay. And I’m only getting started. I won’t go any further. Okay. The list is, you know, 12 to 15 huge, horrible things that they did. She supported every single one of them. Dave is Darcy. Darcy is Dave. So if Darcy, but Darcy is more likable than Dave. She’s not as unlikable as Dave. So if she gets state chair, yeah, she will push it through for us to not have a primary. And then Dave could become the candidate for governor and lose by a massive landslide. You almost wonder if Democrats are bankrolling this. Almost. I wouldn’t know. I sit back and I just go.
SPEAKER 14 :
I’m a little bit dumbfounded because I’m trying to process all of this. Although, Andy, what the scenario you just gave.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Knowing Dave the way that I know him, I don’t know him personally other than interviewing him here a few times in the past, but knowing his ulterior motives, everything you just said makes a thousand percent sense.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, but here’s the question. Could Dave Williams literally think somehow he could have a chance to win the governorship?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, he’s delusional because he thinks he’s Trump 2-0. Dude, there’s delusional and then there is… I’m telling you, Andy. He thinks he’s Trump 2-0. He thinks he’s the Trump of Colorado. That’s what Dave thinks. Trust me when I say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Outside of his hardcore base, he is a statewide laughingstock.
SPEAKER 14 :
But he thinks… He is Trump 2-0 in Colorado. I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
This guy told Republicans to burn pride flags, to literally commit crimes by burning other people’s property. He told us to do that. And by the way, Darcy Shaining once again stood right by him and said, yep, and supported him in this because she supported everything he did. The idea that he could win…
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, gosh, even 40% is ludicrous. I know. I know, Andy. I know. But I’m here to tell you.
SPEAKER 04 :
You really think he’s that deluded?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes. I think in his mind, he thinks he’s Trump 2-0. And part of this, again, Andy, and we can come back after break and talk more about this, but part of this is because it’s like a pastor gone wild. When you’ve got… Few members of the congregation that continually pump that guy up to where he thinks he’s now like Christ, because some of those guys get to that point, by the way, because their parishioners push them in a way that direction. How is that any different than Dave and his followers?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, nobody’s ever spoken the truth to me like you do, sir.
SPEAKER 14 :
How is it any different than the followers of Dave here?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, it isn’t. They talk that way. Okay, so am I right? Look, these are the Rhino Watch people. Which, by the way, I’m going to have some fun with Rhino Watch later in this hour. But these are the Rhino Watch kooks. They do look at him as an almost messianic character. Correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Because he expresses… He is the savior of Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
He expresses their rage. Right. The way they want.
SPEAKER 14 :
So if he were to run for governor, yes, he and them think he’s got a really good shot at winning because he’s going to promote it as, I am the Trump for Colorado. Trust me, that’ll be his campaign slogan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but he’s nothing like Trump. But that’s what he’ll tell everybody. Trump builds a broad coalition. Dave builds the narrowest coalition he can.
SPEAKER 14 :
Dave tears it down, Andy. It’s the opposite.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, Dave narrows the coalition.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. He purges. Correct. Correct. Okay, we’ll come back and talk more about it, because I don’t think I’m too far off on… I don’t think you’re off on that, and I don’t think I’m off on the lie. No, I don’t think you’re off, actually. Flesh Law coming up next, 303-806-8886. Civil, criminal, you name it, Kevin’s there to help you. Again, 303-806-8886.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Myself, Andy, and Charlie. Somebody texted in and would like us to list off some of the things that not only do we feel, but we have proof of in regards to Darcy being, of course, one of Dave’s right hands, and then Dave himself. Now, to give some backstory, and this may be somebody new to listening to us. Maybe you haven’t heard me talk about this. I’ve been really calling out Dave, and I’m not exaggerating when I say this. It’s not quite… two years because he hasn’t quite been chairman for two years but within thirty days of Dave becoming chair I personally started calling him out for some other behavioral things I noticed in those just snowballed and I’m not exaggerating when I say that I mean folks really quick and he’s got a full list but Everything from the way he’s handled money inside of the GOP, the way that he pays himself and reimburses himself, the way that he has paid some of his cronies to come in and do some of the things that he has done. And before anybody shoots back at me and say that other administrations prior to Dave have done the same thing, I don’t care. That’s not the point. The point is, this is what Dave is doing. And by the way, I’ve called others out for other things in the past. So please don’t anybody ever tell me that I haven’t called out previous chairs because I have. But the reality is Dave has done a lot of very questionable things when it comes to the money that’s being spent inside of the GOP. Also including his own run for CD5 that he used Colorado GOP funds for. And there were some really shady things as far as how all of that worked and how it was repaid and so on. And it borderlines on fraud, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that. And if you don’t believe me, which I have done this, by the way, so if you don’t believe me, go look up the FEC reports online. on the Colorado GOP and run through all of the income and expenses all the way back to where Dave took over, and you’ll understand exactly what I’m talking about. And by the way, go look up some of the companies that Dave has paid, and you run the tracking on that. And tell me how these people ever got into the GOP in Colorado and got paid the sums of money that they got paid in the first place. So, number one, that’s my number one complaint among others. And everything I just said is factual and provable by going and looking at that report. Right. Okay. So, number one, that’s your first thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. First of all, let’s just look at the list. The list is endless.
SPEAKER 14 :
The list is many.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. Okay. First of all, let’s just look at some of the results. Okay. Okay. In this election, Donald Trump increased his national average over the Democrat by 6.2% in the popular vote nationally. Here in Colorado, he only increased by 2.5%. That means in Colorado, we lost about 60% of Trump’s national red wave. So just looking at performance here. Okay, number two. Dave and his team endorsed three candidates. Now, they endorsed three candidates in the House races. We had four of them.
SPEAKER 14 :
Actually endorsed more, but those three key.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, they endorsed four, if you include Boebert. I’m talking in contested races. Gotcha. Contested races. Prior to the primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, prior to the primary. For the primary, they endorsed them. And remember, everybody listening, your state chair and the office of is supposed to be neutral, helping all candidates win in that primary. They are not supposed to pick winners and losers when it comes to primary race.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. They endorsed three. Okay, him being one of them. Right, himself. In House races, those three lost by an average of 33% across these three House races. Had those three won, we would now not hold the House of Representatives. Nationally. Okay, and that is, I can prove that, I don’t have time, but in CD3 and CD8, we absolutely would have lost. Let me just give you a quick example. In CD8, their candidate that they endorsed lost by 56% in the primary, and we only won the general election by 0.8%. Almost one point, folks, barely. Less than one point. Okay, do you think that their candidate who lost the primary by 56% could possibly have gotten the support to win a race that our better candidate only won by 0.8%?
SPEAKER 14 :
Not a snowball’s chance. That’s a great example, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the other one, CD3 is an even worse example. Their candidate was so bad that the Democrat was running ads to help their candidate in the primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
And by the way, so was our… And really quick, going back to my complaints with… the chairmanship in the office of and so on, they were doing the very same thing against that candidate, just like the Democrats were. In fact, they were using the exact Democrat ad to go against our candidate on our side in that particular district.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, in fact, let’s jump ahead to that. OK, but we would have lost. So first of all, we lost 60 percent of the Trump red wave here in Colorado. Number two, we would have lost the House had we gone with their endorsements. Number three, they actually ran a Democrat ad. They promoted a Democrat ad.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yep, without saying, by the way, it was a Democrat ad, which is illegal.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, they cut off the end.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which is illegal, by the way, which I called them out for.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Hope Scheppelman promoted it. She’s the vice chair, and she did this with Dave’s knowledge. And then, after she got exposed for running, for promoting a Democrat ad against a Republican… She’s in leadership. After getting exposed, guess what? She did it again. She said, well, yeah, it’s still a good ad, and she promoted it again against the guy who eventually became our candidate. Okay, next. This is all part of the fact that for the first time ever, our state party literally campaigned against Republican candidates. Okay. We’re talking about that. We had mailers and newspapers sent out from the state party. It read right on them, paid for by the Colorado Republican Committee that were sent out to tens of thousands of homes. republican primary voters that campaigned for their candidates and against the republicans who eventually won right so this means that republican candidates had to spend their time and money and i mean a lot of time and a lot of money first campaigning against their own state party before they ever got to campaign against the democrats that’s right exactly okay so continue on what else okay um those are great examples already by the way Yeah, I mean, unbelievable. Next, by the way… Wait, it’s really quick.
SPEAKER 14 :
By the way, everything we just said should be enough to be against Dave Williams being the chair of the GOP. But wait, there’s more.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, wait, there’s way more. I’ve only gotten started. But wait, there’s more. Yeah. By the way, Dave campaigned for the whole idea that they could endorse in… The state party had never done this before.
SPEAKER 14 :
Changed the bylaws to even allow them to do so.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. He pushed that change to where they could endorse in primaries. Okay. This is ridiculous. That meant that the state party could campaign against our own candidates. Okay, next.
SPEAKER 14 :
Really quick. Let’s not forget that when it came to the presidential primary election, the state party, Dave, decided that they were going to charge each candidate. Oh, let me do that one. Each candidate a certain amount of money to even be allowed to be on the primary ticket in Colorado.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, okay. I wasn’t even going to bring that up, but I am now. We actually, for the first time, charged presidential candidates $40,000 just to participate in our primary. Then, after that, Dave… Dave campaigned for the state party, and they did it, to endorse Donald Trump against the other candidates.
SPEAKER 14 :
That paid money as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Who paid money. 40 grand each. And he refused to give back. He was even asked, will you give back their money? No. You took their money, and you’re endorsing against them. They paid to be in your primary, and now you’re endorsing against them. No. He would not give them back their money. Sorry. I just had to slip that in. Yeah. I mean, that’s unbelievable. That’s huge, too. Okay. Next, Dave, from the state party headquarters, he and his team launched or co-launched Rhino Watch, which is the militant online arm of the Colorado Republican Party leadership. Now… How do we know that he did this? Because, first of all, they speak solely for him. Secondly, Todd Watkins witnessed them coming up with this idea. He even has emails to that effect. Thirdly, Weston Imer, who was working at the state party at the time and working with them, admitted online that he was part of launching Rhino Watch. And fourthly, nobody, since we put this out there, has ever
SPEAKER 14 :
denied in fact really quick and whoever’s texted this said thank you very much by the way for all of the information we’re giving this is very very helpful thank you for listening and asking but really quick go ahead everything that andy just said about rhino watch i have personally given invitations to certain individuals and by the way dave williams all the way back to where he first became state chair i have asked dave publicly online other places many times to come on air and defend his position on all the things that andy and i are talking about Crickets. Crickets.
SPEAKER 04 :
They launched from state GOP headquarters a hit site solely designed to attack and divide Republicans.
SPEAKER 14 :
But Andy and I have never made it on there, and I don’t know why. We’ve tried so hard. I have. I’ve worked really hard to be on there.
SPEAKER 04 :
I guess maybe I’m just bitter because I’m not on their wall of shame. They put on their wall of shame people like Heidi Ganahl, who was our candidate for governor last time.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who, by the way, has a great organization right now that gives out a lot of great useful information on things that are happening inside of Colorado and ways that we can fight against the Democrats.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, sure. She’s working for the cause.
SPEAKER 14 :
She does it every single day, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, she’s working for the cause. And you can say, well, she’s established. Who cares? She’s part of the GOP working for the cause. She’s still working for us. They have put all kinds of people on the rhino wall of shame, and these are all people who are considered enemies of who? Dave Williams. The Rhino Watch operates as nothing but the hit site, the militant online arm of Dave Williams.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s all they do.
SPEAKER 14 :
That’s all it is, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
And in the next… Okay, really quick.
SPEAKER 14 :
Let’s not forget, because we’ve got time. Let’s not forget that one of the last things they did, by the way, was hire an attorney who, by the way, doesn’t have the cleanest of records himself to do nothing but go after and legally prosecute those individuals that have gone against Dave Williams and or that Dave Williams doesn’t like.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Dave Williams… Yeah, what they’re doing is a purge. Dave Williams is trying to execute a purge of the Republican Party of all dissent. And by the way, we haven’t even gotten into the bylaws changes. Long story short, the bylaws changes he’s putting through, and this is admitted by everybody who studied them, okay? This is not me alleging this. This is fact. He’s trying to dramatically lower the number of votes of people who vote against him, who don’t like him on the state central committee.
SPEAKER 14 :
For example, in Colorado. Because these would be people who, by the way, would oppose Darcy. State representatives, by the way, in Colorado. Some of the ones we were just mentioning that won their election in spite of Dave. Typically in the past, each one gets a vote. Dave wants to change the bylaws to where only one of them of their choosing gets a vote.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you total it all up, yes. In other words, you have like 20-some who have a vote. He would have only one represent all of them as a vote. When you total it all up, Dave wants to remove about pretty close to three dozen votes on the state central committee, which is pretty evenly split. He wants to remove that many votes.
SPEAKER 14 :
So about 36 votes, basically.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And that would be votes against Darcy. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
So you’re going to stack the table, in other words, stack the cards.
SPEAKER 04 :
You want to stack that vote so Darcy can win, and then she can get rid of the primary, and who can become our candidate for governor then?
SPEAKER 14 :
And that’s Dave. Dave Williams. By the way, that was a really quick synopsis. We could go on for the rest of the show and even continue this on into future programs. And we’ve done a lot of this in the past. So, number one, thank you for the question. There’s a lot of folks that start listening that maybe haven’t heard me ranting on this for almost the past two years, which, by the way, I have. I was the first, not bragging, but the first media person in all of Colorado, probably anywhere, to call Dave out once. on the bad behavior in his poor leadership as Colorado GOP chair.
SPEAKER 04 :
You were the very first one to say he must step down. And one last one, and then we’ll go to break. The very fact that he ran against fellow Republicans in a contested primary while serving as their chair. An unbelievable conflict of interest. Huge. And then he lied and said, oh, that’s what Ken Buck did. Buck never ran against Republicans. No, he didn’t. He never ran in a contested primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
is in it for Dave alone. Those that are close to him think they’re best friends of Dave. Literally, they are tools that are being used by Dave so Dave can get where he wants to go at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
Beautifully put.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And again, yeah, thank you, by the way, for asking that question. It’s probably good for us occasionally to do a little recap of things because, by the way, why does that matter? Some of you are probably thinking, why does this matter? Who cares, guys? Well, because it’s our state. Yeah, I’m a native of this. I hate losing. They don’t have a supermajority, but they’re only off by a couple of seats to not have a supermajority. And the reality is we only picked up maybe at most, Andy, one or two seats this last election round. I think three overall.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, three overall.
SPEAKER 14 :
To keep them from having a supermajority.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And by the way, Dave and Hope are actually claiming credit. Because we picked up like three seats. And it’s like, folks, reminder, okay? You do realize Kamala Harris did not swing, did not flip a single district in the entire nation.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct. We had a grand opportunity to come into the state of Colorado with the proper messaging and things with particular candidates in support of. And by the way, really quick for those of you, whoever asked this, you can even go ask some of the losing candidates across our state. how much support they got from the state party when it came to some of the things they were doing in their own election. And they will tell you straight up their feelings on our current chair and what they did to sabotage their own elections, by the way, or their own runs, if you would. So, by the way, I’m not the only one saying this. You can go ask some of these candidates, get it from the horse’s mouth, on what either our current leadership either didn’t do to help them or what they did against them.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re going to hear horror stories, but you know what? It’s important to bring this up because Dave and Hope and their team, this is their big talking point. They’ll say, for the first time, we finally turned the corner. We finally won some seats. We’re after losses under the previous several chairs. Okay. The previous several chairs were in 2022, 2020, and 2018, all blue waves. Okay. Yes, in three blue waves, we lost seats. Uh-huh. During that time, Colorado had a massive influx, as you know, of blue state voters moving into Colorado. So, number one, this was during the incredible influx that was pouring in of blue state voters. So each election cycle, we were bluer than the election cycle before. Couple that with national blue waves happening at the same time. Now, over the last two years, we’ve not had… the influx of blue state voters that we’ve had.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Slow down. The influx has slowed down.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And we just had a national red wave.
SPEAKER 14 :
And I’m not giving passes to some of our previous chairs because, by the way, I criticized at that time some of our strategy or lack thereof when it came to getting candidates elected and so on. So believe me, I didn’t start picking on Dave back when he became chair just to pick. In fact, I gave Dave… a solid 30 days to see what would he do moving forward. And right out of the chute, by the way, the first thing Dave came out with was how bad the last chair had done, sounding like a Democrat. Rather than talking about the future and what we can do moving forward and so on, and yeah, we’ve had a little bit of hiccups here and there, but the reality is we’re ready to move forward. No, no, no, no. Right out of the chute, The reason he couldn’t do XYZ was because of the last chair.
SPEAKER 04 :
Dave, this was, by the way, the first time I’d ever seen this. Am I right? Oh, yes. Dave came out of the chute and immediately, in speaking around the state, not only him, but his people, he sent his people to meetings around the state. I was in one, where his people would go into the meetings and bash Christy Burton-Brown.
SPEAKER 14 :
KBB, the last one.
SPEAKER 04 :
This had never been done before. Christy Burton-Brown was the state chair during a blue wave following two more years of heavy blue state immigration into our state. Correct. Okay. And they didn’t account for that at all. Anyway, bottom line. So what they try to say is… Number one, we finally turned the corner and won a few states, won a few seats back. And it’s just like, guys, you underperformed dramatically versus the national red wave. Secondly, they’ll say, and our registration’s up. Newsflash.
SPEAKER 14 :
It is nationwide.
SPEAKER 04 :
Republican registration skyrocketed over the last two years.
SPEAKER 14 :
And ours didn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Ours only went up a little. It skyrocketed over the last two years.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, guys, there’s episodes in the past of this show where I went into details, Andy and I did, of the actual numbers, literally the numbers of registered voters and so on. And I break it all down to prove what Andy just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s not impressive at all.
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
One last thing. They put themselves out as the Christians. You know, we’re very Christian. And if you don’t support us, you must not like Jesus politics and stuff like this. This is something that I put to all the Dave supporters. and none of them have an answer, I say, okay, Jesus told us, by the way, my degree’s in the ministry, for those who don’t know. Jesus told us, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Okay, would you have the state chair run against you in a primary?
SPEAKER 01 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
in a Republican primary and weaponize the state party apparatus to campaign against you with state party resources in the primary, would you have that done to you?
SPEAKER 14 :
No. And as I said all along as well, not only is it not Christian-like, it’s really, really crappy leadership telling you exactly how poor of a leader Dave is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Would you have the state party endorse against you in a primary? No. And so I would list off 10 or 12 things and say, would you have this? Would you have this? Would you have this? And you know what their answer is? crickets and they can’t answer any of it because nothing that dave williams and these people have done in leadership is christ-like at all it’d be like the new pastor comes over takes over the church and all he does is blame the old pastor for all the problems the church has right and then wields and then wields power in corrupt fashion against anybody who disagrees with him you tell me is that christian
SPEAKER 14 :
No, that’s corruption at its core.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s corruption, not Christian.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s corruption. And that’s what I’ve called Dave out on almost now for two straight years. And I won’t stop. I’ll keep going. Hopefully what Andy predicted doesn’t happen and he doesn’t end up running for governor. Although I’m afraid Andy’s right. It’s bizarre. I’m afraid Andy is correct.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s just a rumor right now.
SPEAKER 14 :
It makes total sense as to what’s going on because it’s either one of two things. Either Dave is going to do something statewide like running for governor, which, by the way, is the only thing he probably would be qualified for. He can’t do AG or anything else like that, so it would have to be something along those lines. Or he’s going to take a position inside of the Trump Organization, although I’ve seen nothing anywhere at all coming from the Trump Organization regarding anybody in Colorado having any kind of a seat at the table when it comes to his administration. So I highly doubt that’s the case.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, thus far, Dave and his team have been frozen out.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, I don’t see anything along those lines happening. There’s not an ounce of rumor along those lines whatsoever.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, to close this segment out, the only thing I can think of for a reason for Dave to run for governor is this money. Maybe he could milk the campaign for money. If he honestly thinks that he could somehow actually compete to be governor. I have never seen that level of delusion politically. I literally haven’t. He is – Dave is the most unpopular political figure in the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 14 :
But in his world – I go back to what I said earlier to Andy. In his world – With his quote-unquote cronies that surround him. He only hears from them, I understand. He hears from them how great he is. Oh, yeah, you could run for governor. Oh, yeah, we could get you elected, no problem. That’s what he’s hearing, Andy. So in his demented mind, he’s thinking he could actually win. You may be right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And when we see powerful people who have nothing but a little group chirping at them around them, they can go nuts. Maybe he’s just nuts. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
I got nothing. It happens a lot. It does. And unfortunately, it happens in all sorts of things. It happens in the music world. It happens in the acting world. It happens in political realms in the past, in history. It happens with church pastors and leaders and so on. Folks, it happens all the time because unfortunately, we men are fallible. We have a sin nature. Dave is no different, by the way. And every one of us, if not kept in check, which, by the way, is what I’ve tried to do on this program, is keep Dave in check. And what happens is when people won’t allow themselves to be kept in check, they go awry. And that’s Dave. Am I right in what I just said, by the way? Yeah, I’m agreeing with you. It happens in the ministry a lot, right?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m about to agree with you. There had to be an actual Custer for Custer’s last stand. There had to be an actual military leader that deluded and stupid to charge into that. Okay? People can be that deluded and insane. It can happen.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and by the way, I could give you examples currently worldwide of individuals that have gone that route, including the Prime Minister of Canada that just resigned, Trudeau, because he fits that description as well. Even though, for the most part, his entire country is against him, that guy, for some delusional reason, thought he’s their hero.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, what did you and I say when Liz Cheney announced she was going to run again?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, same, delusional. We were just like, she’s delusional! Delusional. Just like a lot of Democrats are, they get delusional and think certain things as well, i.e. Kamala Harris thinking she could win the presidency.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, at least, you know, she came within, you know.
SPEAKER 14 :
A small margin? Not really.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, she had a way better chance of winning the presidency than Dave Williams says of winning the governorship.
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SPEAKER 14 :
All right, closing things out for today. Quick show today. We appreciate you guys listening. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Okay, we got about a minute and a half or so left. Rhino Watch.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, really quick. Rhino Watch has put out how you can identify a rhino. Seriously, a Republican in name only. And here’s how. Do you ask any Colorado Republican, do you support the current lawsuit asking the court to let the Colorado Republican Party opt out of the open primary and return to a system where you have to be a Republican to vote in a Republican primary? If they say yes, then they are a patriot. If they say no, they’re a rhino. In other words, if you support opting out of the primary system, You are a patriot. If you don’t, you’re a rhino. Forget about all your views on all the issues. Gun rights, abortion, men and women’s sport, immigration, drill, baby drill, school choice, gun, free speech. None of that matters. All that matters is do you support opting out?
SPEAKER 14 :
Dumbest thing ever, by the way. Yeah. That is not a test to determine if somebody is a true blue conservative Republican or not, by the way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And by the way, I don’t support opting out. Real quick. Why? Number one, if it hadn’t been for the open primary, Trump would right now not have the U.S. House majority. Correct. Okay. Number two, in the large majority of unaffiliated voters voted for, that’s half the state’s voters voted for the open primary. That’s our market. That’s reality. You are telling us, Rhino Watch is telling us to tell them, get off my lawn. Yep. Yep. I mean, can you imagine this for a moment if we actually did this? Oh, and lastly, if we do that, if we opt out, our tax dollars are going to pay for ballots to be sent out to all the unaffiliated voters that only have Democrat names. We are literally going to pay our taxes to advertise Democrats to the state.
SPEAKER 14 :
Dumb. The whole thing is dumb. Unbelievable. And by the way, there’s better things to do with the money being spent on that lawsuit, i.e. getting candidates elected, which I have said over and over again. So guys, that’s it for today. Appreciate the questions. Appreciate you guys listening. Of course, a lot more to come tomorrow. First hour, health and wellness. We’ve got a great guest joining us. Have a great night. Be safe with the wind blowing. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
