In this episode, John Rush and Andy Peth delve into the complex world of politics, exploring the implications of daylight changes to the deeper issues surrounding political dynamics in Minnesota. They discuss the impact of candidates dropping out of races and the resulting political landscape shifts. The conversation highlights frustrations with the lack of marketable candidates in the GOP and the broader implications for the political arena both at a state and national level.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And one thing before we get going in this hour, which is actually very exciting. There’s still a little daylight left at 5.06 p.m.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s wonderful.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’re going the other way finally.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. Get back. I don’t want to feel like I live in Alaska.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s so much nicer. I mean, I know it’s just a little bit of extra daylight, but every day it’ll get a little longer, a little longer, a little longer. I love going this other direction.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I hate the other way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 15 :
So, so much better. Anyways, okay. So tell me your thoughts on Tim Walsh dropping out.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was very upset.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because he would have been an easy prey. Easy win? Oh, yeah. Look, I want to win. I don’t just want to win, John. I want to win big. This is why I was upset when Biden dropped out. And don’t get me wrong. We clobbered Kamala. It would have been worse with Biden. It would have been much worse.
SPEAKER 04 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
The coattails would have been even bigger. We would have picked up more seats if Biden had been their frontrunner instead of Kamala. As bad as Kamala is, Biden was much worse.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, yeah, I didn’t want walls dropping out.
SPEAKER 15 :
I kind of looked at it the same way, although I don’t think— It was roadkill. Yeah, all of the corruption that’s gone on there. Gosh, Andy, how do you survive politically from that? You don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
No. He was roadkill.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s done, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, he was done. He was going to lose. And he knew it. That’s why he jumped. You’ve got to keep in mind, this is an incredibly corrupt individual.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
He doesn’t get out unless he knows he has to. Okay? Yeah. And I think the really interesting thing going forward that we’ve got to figure out is how will the voters punish his party in Minnesota? Because are they going to look at this and say, oh, well, Amy Klobuchar, she wasn’t involved in all this. Why? We’re just going to vote her right into the governorship. You know what? If you do that in Minnesota, you are the biggest idiots ever. This side of Europe. Can’t argue that. I mean, how stupid could you be? Obviously, she knew about it. Obviously, the whole Democrat machine was pretty well aware that a lot of their funding mechanism was coming from robbing Minnesotans and Americans, by the way, blind, and then channeling that money into their supporters.
SPEAKER 15 :
Billions of dollars.
SPEAKER 03 :
Billions of dollars. Look, they had to know that. I… I really want to see what happens in 2026 in Minnesota. If they don’t vote out Democrats on this.
SPEAKER 15 :
They’re stupid.
SPEAKER 03 :
Then they’re lost. I mean, what else can you have? You’ve got a political party. Forget about the Somalians. OK, forget about the Somalian community for a moment. This is Democrats. OK, because as I was saying while you were gone, I was saying on the air, what are the odds, John, that a bunch of people who don’t even speak English are totally uneducated from a third world country can waltz in here and suddenly overnight master the system and rob us blind?
SPEAKER 15 :
They can’t.
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Without help.
SPEAKER 15 :
They were coached.
SPEAKER 03 :
They were totally coached. And who are they coached by, John?
SPEAKER 15 :
Democrats.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. How can you not? I mean, that’s not even putting two and two together.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s plain as the nose on your face.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s plain as the nose on your face. How can you not blame Democrats if you are a Minnesota independent voter?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re either so loyal to Marxism that you just don’t care and you’re a part of that, or you don’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but at that point, you’re a Democrat. I’m talking about the independents.
SPEAKER 15 :
If you’re an independent buying into that, you’re just a fool.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re a fool. You’re a fool. And I would advise the Minnesota Republicans to make sure that they run… Middle-of-the-road candidates. Do not say, oh, all right, we’re going to run.
SPEAKER 14 :
Here’s our opportunity.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s our opportunity. We’re going to run Ted Cruz’s in every single district. I love Ted Cruz. He would not win in Minnesota anywhere, so don’t do that. Run highly marketable, intelligent candidates who appeal to the middle. Take advantage of this because I’m telling you what, folks, if you do, you’re going to romp in November.
SPEAKER 15 :
Why do we struggle so much with that, Andy? Yeah. As a party in general. I mean, state to state. I mean, it happens here. It happens in other states. Why is that such a struggle?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because we’re not thinking about the market. We’re thinking about ourselves. And I’ve said this before.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, we’re selfish.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you were to ask, look, if you and I, let’s say we tomorrow, we wouldn’t have time to do this, but let’s say tomorrow we went out and asked all the Republican voters in Colorado, what do you look for in a candidate? Almost the vast majority are going to say, one who agrees with me. They’re going to say some variation of, I want somebody who agrees with me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, we want somebody liberty-minded, principled, blah, blah, blah, all the catchphrases. That’s what they’re going to say.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And by the way, I would agree with all that. I want all that, too.
SPEAKER 15 :
But how marketable is that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Your number one thing should be someone who could win this market that we are in. Whatever market we’re in.
SPEAKER 15 :
If somebody were to ask me that personally, here’s my answer. I want someone that can win.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, that’s what I’m saying. And to win, you’ve got to win the market. Yeah, yeah. You know, I want somebody who can win the market that we are in. That comes first and foremost, even before having somebody who I like. It could be somebody who even lets me down. But we’ve got to get our foot in the door. We’ve got to get a W, baby.
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Andy, I keep going back to, and I’m sorry, I just have to keep going back to this because it’s the truth. The reason we don’t do that more often is the same complaint I have with most politics and politicians in general. Very few business people get involved in politics because, A, it’s time-consuming, it’s cumbersome, it cuts into what they need to do in their entrepreneurial spirit and so on. And the reality is politics is kind of anti-entrepreneurship. It really is. It cuts into that to the point where if you do too much of it, you lose your business in some cases. That’s why there’s not a lot of business owners and the likes of that get into politics. Unfortunately… Because we’ve got this political system so screwed up, the reality is the wrong people are running. The smart minds never make it there. The folks that really do understand the market and how to market to people aren’t there. And we end up with the machine we have right now, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry. That’s the only answer that I have for this.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I totally agree. Let me give you an example. Mike Lindell is campaigning to run to be the Republican candidate for governor there.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Minnesota.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bad move.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, he’s not electable. And I like Mike, but he’s not electable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, I don’t just like him. I love Mike Lindell. I really do.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I don’t love him, and here’s why.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he made some mistakes.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, and here’s why. I don’t love Mike for the same reason I don’t love Megyn Kelly. He’s too easily influenced by those people that are around him, and he doesn’t stay the course on what he knows he should be doing, meaning he should not be governor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
That simple?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I totally agree.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I like the guy, but I don’t like him because of that. I don’t love him because of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the moment you say words like marketability, which he is not to the mainstream. No, he is not.
SPEAKER 15 :
He ruined that for himself.
SPEAKER 03 :
Of course. He is seen as an election denier.
SPEAKER 15 :
I hate to say this, but he’s seen as a wackadoodle to most people.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and you know me. I believe there was a lot of fraud going on in 2020. I do.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’ve talked about it over and over again, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
But, John, nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear about it. Nobody wants that dredged up again, and it is his number one issue.
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Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, that and abortion, okay, which also does not sell well in a blue state like Minnesota. Look, folks, he’s not marketable. The fact that people would even consider him.
SPEAKER 15 :
Bad move.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Bad move. Sorry. Bad move, folks.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. What you’re doing right now, the other team is giving you the ball at their one-yard line.
SPEAKER 15 :
Take that and do something with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Take the seven.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. You know, for crying out loud, all you’ve got to do is run a moderate Republican.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, no, but that’s compromise. Instead of what we’re going to do, Andy?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s the market.
SPEAKER 15 :
We’re going to take the ball and fumble it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
And give it to the other side, and they’re going to run 99 yards for a touchdown.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Exactly.
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Because that’s what we do best at.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and here’s the big thing that really gets me, John, is not just that this is bad for the Democrats, what’s been happening with all the theft. It is that this is a window. Folks, people aren’t going to be thinking about this four years from now. This is your chance, okay? They’re not going to be thinking about this two years from now.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s called momentum, Andy. Jump on the momentum, which is there right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Boom. Jump on the momentum. Put out the best, most marketable candidates you can possibly get right now.
SPEAKER 15 :
We won’t do it, unfortunately.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think they’ll blow it?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they will.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’ll lose Minnesota.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they will. Absolutely. They will fumble. The other team will run 99 yards for a touchdown. Yes, that’s exactly what will happen.
SPEAKER 03 :
Although there is a lady who is running as a Republican for governor who has been exposing an awful lot of this. I believe if she, I forget her name, sorry, but I believe if she’s the candidate.
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Maybe.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
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Okay. If that’s the case, and again, I don’t follow, I should because of Dan and Anne both being out there, but I don’t follow Minnesota politics like I should, but maybe we’ll see if we can get them on and get some input from them. Flesh Law coming up next. Kevin Flesh, civil, criminal, you name it. Kevin is there to represent you. 303-806-8886.
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate. And I want to dovetail back into what I was saying a moment ago on just the whole GOP in general, not just in our own state, but other states as well. And my theory on why we aren’t as successful in some of those areas as we should be is because we don’t have real business people that understand how to market, how to reach out, how to sell, how to communicate properly, and so on. And the reality is it’s not just a Colorado problem. I think it’s a nationwide problem. And it’s because we’ve made politics its own business, which turns off a lot of business owners. That’s fair. Because business owners that are entrepreneurs look at politics and just go, yeah, I don’t want to do that. Why would I ever want to do that? Why would I want to be beholden to all of these people that have now gotten me elected when I can go out and do my own thing, make a whole lot more money and answer to myself?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, John, there’s a beautiful thing that happens between a business owner and a customer. I provide the product or service in a way that you like and you pay me for it. It is a very direct thing. It is a very good thing. It is a very mutual thing, right? But the second you get into politics, I have to win 51% of the market. And to do that, I have to appease a number of people who don’t entirely agree with me.
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Who I may not even like.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Now, when I’m running a business, obviously, I can’t just offer everything I want. I have to appeal to the market. But I like doing that. I like looking at the market and saying, you know what, this is what I think they want, and here’s what I want to sell. Let’s match it. Okay? In politics, it’s so much more complex.
SPEAKER 15 :
It doesn’t work that way. And I think, Andy, personally speaking, I think it’s why a lot of business owners in general just don’t want to jump into politics is because at the end of the day, and now they’ll give, they’ll help, they’ll fund, you know, they’ll do a lot of things along those lines. But generally speaking, most business owners won’t jump into politics.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, and conversely, I think it’s why a lot of politicians are simply political animals.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I’ve known so many politicians that just seem to be running forever. Or once they’re in, governing forever. They don’t do anything else.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, because it becomes, to them, that becomes their career, their business, their whatever you want to call it. Right. Their life.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and don’t get me wrong. There are some who are really good at it. I mean, obviously Rubio. Is a politician’s politician.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is magnificent in the way he speaks. And I know people think, oh, man, you’re just a Rubio groupie. Well, you know, folks, I’m into political messaging. So, yeah, somebody who is that good at instantly spinning. A difficult story? Yeah. To me, I marvel at that. It is incredible. And he’s a political animal, right? He is. He’s also a good guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is. And by the way, I’m not saying that some of them aren’t good people. What I’m saying, though, is the whole idea as to why businessmen don’t get into politics is probably what I should write a book on that, I guess. Why businesspeople don’t get into politics.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, because they want to worry most about their product and the customer, not about their message about their product to the customer. In politics, you must, must, must be on the message all the time. One of the biggest disappointments I have with Donald Trump It’s not that I don’t enjoy his speeches. You know I do. You know I love how fresh he is and how different and provocative because I get so bored with most politicians. But here’s the thing, John. He is so good at governing. He is so incredibly good at world events and running our economy and running so many things, running our military, everything he does, that if he was better at the messaging end, he would romp. We would win. We win barely with him. We should be winning unbelievable landslides with what this guy does.
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Problem is from day one, his messaging is brash, is harsh. It’s honest. I mean, I’ll give him credit. It’s honest. Unfortunately, we live in a day and age. whereby honesty is not always the best policy. Sorry, I hate to say it that way, Andy, but being honest with people, in a lot of cases, that’s not what they want to hear.
SPEAKER 03 :
Am I right? Yeah, your wife doesn’t want to hear that dress is a size too small for you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Or her butt’s too big, in other words.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or her butt’s too big. They don’t want to hear that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are times you can’t. Look. Donald Trump wants to demand that people like him as he is. And what’s worse is he is followed by a cult of followers who want to demand the exact same thing. So he’s got a bunch of followers. It’s not just enough that you like Trump. They demand that you like him on his terms and his way and so forth. And I got news for you. That’s not politics. Politics is about the market, not you. Politics is about 51% of the market. Not you carving out your one little niche.
SPEAKER 15 :
The problem is on our side, I think.
SPEAKER 03 :
There is no niche.
SPEAKER 15 :
By the way, I think the other side understands that. That’s why they constantly win.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Our side doesn’t understand that. Our side, it’s more about us. It’s about me versus.
SPEAKER 03 :
And principles. That’s right. My principles.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Don’t mess with my principles.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Which we all have, by the way. I love my principles. I’m not saying you should get rid of the principles. I’m not saying that in any way, shape, or form. What I am saying, though, is there are times, i.e., this is what business owners understand. There are times where, for example, I’ll give you what I did back in the day for years and years and years. I owned performance off-road stores. We did all sorts of stuff from performance things on cars to trucks to Jeeps and off-road rigs and so on. You name it, I did all that.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you didn’t own daycares?
SPEAKER 15 :
No, I did not own daycares.
SPEAKER 03 :
I thought you made millions through daycare centers.
SPEAKER 15 :
I wish I had. No, I did not.
SPEAKER 03 :
Just checking. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
And I’ll be the first to admit there were times where somebody would come in and say, you know, I would like to do this to my vehicle. And in the back of my mind, I’m thinking… Well, I wouldn’t do that. That’s probably the dumbest thing I’d ever do. Right, right. Because that is not the direction I think you should head, and it wouldn’t be my recommendation. But as the customer, you would say, okay, I think we can accommodate that. We can do this. We can do that. And so you compromise. to make sure that the customer, at the end of the day, Andy, is happy and is paying me to do what we do best. So was it always what I wanted to do? Of course not, Andy. It’s what the customer wanted to do. I didn’t give up any of my principles or values in doing so because I still run an honest business. I still did things morally correct and all of that. But did I do what the customer wanted? Yes, Andy. Yes, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
I was at the casinos. You don’t think that I saw customers who wanted to draw to an inside straight. So here you have a customer, and forget about the cards at the table for a moment. Just think about a poker machine. It deals you five cards. You get one more deal. And they got right on there. They got an eight, a nine, I mean two eights, a nine, and a jack, and a queen. Okay. And they’re thinking, I’m going to drop one of those eights and try to draw that straight. 10. Okay. You’re trying to draw. There are only four 10s. And the odds that you get, I mean, the odds that you get drawing to that inside straight are awful.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’ve already got a pair of eights.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you get another eight, you’re going to get a much higher payout. Okay.
SPEAKER 15 :
But they want to drop one anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
You hold the eights. Or worse yet, let’s say they got a queen. And people are getting bored right now. But really quick here.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you got a pair of queens, you’ve already got your bet back.
SPEAKER 1 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. But instead, they want to draw to that inside straight. That’s more exciting. If they get a straight, that’s worth more.
SPEAKER 14 :
Gotcha.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s like, folks, you’ve already got.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
You don’t think there were times when I wanted to look at these people and say, please don’t do that. You’re crazy. Please don’t do that. That’s not good for you. Right. Stop. Right. Right. But I’m a businessman, so what do I got to do? I got to let the customer be right. That’s right. Now, as a politician, oi.
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Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Rick and Cheyenne, you are next. Go ahead, Rick.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, John, Andy, thanks for taking my call. Love your show. Thank you. Thank you. Not thrilled about the movie stuff, but anyway, if I could maybe go back to the Venezuela thing. Sure.
SPEAKER 15 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, I think we do things and we don’t really know if it’s a very good idea until a long time later. Let me point out an example back in 1953. At the behest of the British and Winston Churchill, we helped to overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran. Mohammad Mosaddegh was his name. And, you know, we could go through the whole history of the Shah and all that. But look where we are today with Iran. And so my point about Vietnam, Iraq, but, you know, a really good example, because it has to do with oil. and a country that was nationalizing its oil. The British didn’t like that. So we helped with the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt and MI6. We overthrew a democratically elected government. So I guess we won’t, despite the fact that it was a flawless military operation, everything went well. Nobody got killed on the U.S. side, some wounded. That doesn’t mean it was a good decision.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, but really quick, not – I mean – Surely you see the difference here. But let me throw this at you, Rick. The biggest problem with Iran was in 1979 when they became the Islamic Republic. That’s really what turned them into what they are today. Yes, I mean, you’re not wrong in what you’re saying, but their total downfall came in 1979.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I would differ, because we installed a guy named Shah, I don’t know, I forget his name, Robsi or whatever his name was. And after, you know, this despot, 25 years, you know, at our behest, his little puppet government there in Iran, they weren’t very happy. And yes, you’re right, religious whack jobs came in and took over. But would they have been able to do that?
SPEAKER 15 :
And again, that’s a question that I don’t know that anybody can answer. And to your point, had somebody different been in charge, would those Islamic wackadoodles – I hate to call them anything else than that, that’s what they are – would they have been able to take over and have the power that they had? That’s an answer that none of us will know because they ended up gaining power.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, we have to keep in mind, Islamic religious fundamentalism surged throughout the entire Middle East, not just Iran.
SPEAKER 12 :
True.
SPEAKER 03 :
And so they were more or less caught up in a wave. Go ahead, Rick.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, again, I don’t see it that way. I see it that there was a really germ of a good government there. And it’s easy to just throw it out the window and say, look what happened in 1979. In 1953, they had a really good start on a democracy, and we ignored it with the British, and we overthrew that government, threw the guy in jail, essentially, house arrest, and installed the Shah, who proceeds to have his… U.S. military boot on the neck of the Iranians for 25 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, but that’s basically the opposite of what just happened in Venezuela. In Venezuela, we removed somebody who did not get elected. He literally was put in place against what the electorate wanted, first of all. Secondly, we’re talking about a place that is already being used and is in the hands of our enemies, China and Russia. So it’s not going to get worse. Thirdly, there is no case there of a religious fundamentalist movement that’s going to take it over and turn it into a terrorist hangout. So in every way, it would seem to me that the Venezuelan situation is totally different from Iran.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s different, but my point is simply this. My point is this. It’s not different in the sense that we’re overturning a government. And my point is very simple. We don’t know how this is going to turn out. We can look back in time. Not entirely, no. If we were running, if we could go back in time, would we get into Vietnam? I don’t think so. Would we go into Iraq again? I don’t think so. Would we overturn the Iranian government in 1953? I don’t think so. I’m just pointing out we don’t know how this is going to turn out at all.
SPEAKER 03 :
I wouldn’t say at all. I wouldn’t go that far. I think Trump has set up a dramatic amount of U.S. leverage over the situation that did not exist in Iran.
SPEAKER 12 :
Like I said, time will tell.
SPEAKER 15 :
Time will tell. No, you’re right on that one, Rick. Time will tell. No, appreciate it, Rick. By the way, thought-provoking, always enjoy that. Yeah, I mean, we don’t know what the outcome will fully be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
I do believe, and keep this in mind, too, and I’ll throw this in. Under Trump and the current administration, we’ve got a better chance of Venezuela turning out well. Now, if something changes in 2028— Well, all bets are off. In other words, if we don’t have a Republican president at that point in time, I think you could look at Venezuela completely differently because the Democrats want to be back on the take when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Look, a Democrat taking over the White House in America would completely change Venezuela’s future. It would be devastating.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. And by the way, one thing I do agree with Rick on is do you and I, John… know entirely what’s going to happen with Venezuela going forward? No, and we wouldn’t say we do.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
But do I have a much greater outlook for Venezuela than I would have had with Iran in the past?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I think the citizenry will tell you that, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, if you look at the folks that are actually in Venezuela and even Venezuelans that are here, not the protesters, which, by the way, are paid Democrats, so paid Marxists. They don’t matter.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, they don’t matter.
SPEAKER 15 :
The true Venezuelans that are actually there saying, hey – and I’ve seen some of these folks on social media and other places. They’re like, hey, guys, thank you. We appreciate all that you’re doing. We now have a bright future that last weekend we did not have. Right. Literally, within a matter of a weekend, we have a bright future now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly. We have to keep in mind they didn’t have a future.
SPEAKER 15 :
They had no future.
SPEAKER 03 :
With what was happening before. And so do I look at this as it’s all going to be beautiful heaven in Valhalla? Of course not. And – You know, children dancing through meadows.
SPEAKER 15 :
And there’s no such thing as, there’s no country period like that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Do I believe that there are going to be setbacks in Venezuela? Yes. Do I believe some good people are going to be killed by revolutionaries in Venezuela? Yes. Okay. But do I believe Venezuela just became a much better situation than it was a week ago? Absolutely. On that, I’m very confident. I really am.
SPEAKER 08 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do I believe that the future is perfect? No, for two reasons. First of all, we never know the future. And secondly, like you were saying, what happens in 28 here?
SPEAKER 15 :
That, to me, plays a bigger role in all of this than anything else does, Andy.
SPEAKER 04 :
Agreed.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s my thought. So, Rick, to your point, no, I don’t know what the outcome is. I do feel like if conservatives continue to remain in control of the White House and even the House, and I’m not sure about the Senate moving forward, but if they can at least do two things, of those chambers if you would yeah i think venezuela has a pretty good chance of succeeding and moving forward and things will work out well if in fact something happens in 2028 and the democrats regain power which quite frankly if everything goes the way i think it’s going to go in 2026 economically speaking and so on i have a hard time believing they’ll do so although stranger things have happened so i can’t say what’s going to happen in 2028
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, I think because of the power of a Vance Rubio ticket, which is almost certainly going to be the ticket, to highly eloquent Republicans, also they’re going to be enjoying what by that point is going to be an absolutely incredible American economy. Right now, I would put the Democrats’ chances in 28 at 20%. Okay. Pretty low. Yeah. I think they’re very low because, look, Donald Trump, wonderful guy, but he is a terrible debater. He does not sell well to the middle in a lot of ways. He opened up new markets, but he doesn’t sell well in that way. They’re going to kill him.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, let’s take a break. When I come back, I do want to talk to some of you that are Victor Marks followers because I’ve got some advice for you guys. as well, since we’ve been beating up on everybody else. You know what? I’m going to take my shot at you guys also. Ridgeline Auto Brokers coming up next. They want to help you with your next new used car purchase. Call them today. Find them at RidgelineAutoBrokers.com.
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SPEAKER 13 :
It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. All right, we are back.
SPEAKER 15 :
Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Victor Marks supporters, followers, whatever you want to call yourselves. And by the way, I don’t have my hat in the ring for anybody. I mean, I think Victor’s got probably as good a chance as anybody. I’ve never met him. Don’t know him. He’s never reached out. Never done an interview. Doesn’t matter. I don’t hold any of that against anybody. If they want to come on air, great. If they don’t, great. Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. We’re not even close to the point where we’re picking anybody primary wise. So frankly, I have no dog in the fight at this point in time. So I really don’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, and let me say one really good thing about Victor and one concerning thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
The really good thing is this. If we want to win in this blue state, we almost have to have a movement candidate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is the only candidate right now who has a movement.
SPEAKER 15 :
I can’t argue that. I agree with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And he’s also a very good gifted speaker, so he’s got that going for him. He can communicate. Look, Victor Marks has a lot of things going for him, but we are early in the vetting process. I don’t know anything about Victor Marks.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t either.
SPEAKER 03 :
My only concern with him for the market is he could definitely be seen as too much of an evangelical preacher for blue Colorado.
SPEAKER 15 :
For the middle. Yeah, that is a concern I have as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, but now let’s get back to his followers.
SPEAKER 15 :
The biggest concern I have are you guys that are his followers. Yes. You’re coming off. I agree. And you’re starting to come off this way. You didn’t early on, but you’re starting to come off as wackadoodles. And if you continue down that path— It’s not going to bode well for Victor Marx. You need to ratchet down your enthusiasm for the guy. Otherwise, you’re going to come off as a bunch of wackadoodles. Sorry, I know no other way to say it, Andy.
SPEAKER 03 :
And can I give my recent example?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, go right ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is real simple, folks. I just put out a post about an hour ago. Eagle County Republican women have reversed their decision and disinvited Greg Lopez.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Which we talked about in the first hour.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well done, ECRW. That’s all I said. And once again, folks, it’s not against Greg Lopez. It’s just a fact. I just want to honor our Republican candidates and not bring in unaffiliated candidates to recruit their voters at our events. I get it. Now, that’s a pretty bland little post, right?
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
What does that post have to do with Marks?
SPEAKER 14 :
Nothing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nothing. So somebody comes on and basically just says, go Victor Marks or Victor Marks for governor.
SPEAKER 15 :
Okay. What’s that have to do with the post?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely nothing. And here’s what I’m getting to, folks. It annoys the Republican movement. It annoys Republicans everywhere. When you go on totally unrelated posts and post, go Victor Marx. Victor Marx for governor.
SPEAKER 15 :
I mean, I get it. You’re a rabid fan.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Cool your jets.
SPEAKER 03 :
Cool your jets.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re not helping.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, here’s what you could be doing. You could go on that exact same post and say, you know, I like the fact that Richard – sorry, Richard – that Victor Marx is running as a Republican.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, actually, I would even do it differently than that. Say something that relates to the post. No, I would even say it this way.
SPEAKER 03 :
So you know what, Andy?
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right. Because anybody with an R next to their name, they have invested themselves into this, and that includes all candidates. Mine happens to be Victor.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 15 :
But all candidates have vested in with that R next to their name.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s the better response. Yeah. In other words, say something about the post itself. And it’s not just my post. It’s all posts all over the place, hundreds of them, that they’re going on and just spamming. Go Victor Marx.
SPEAKER 15 :
In a lot of ways, it is spam, Andy. It really is.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right. Yeah, but when you spam and you don’t engage at all with the post, any post, Then you come off as cults. Okay. You come off as a cult member.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
People don’t want a cult candidate.
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do they want a movement candidate? Sure. They like that. And they’re excited by the fact that you guys are a movement, but you are repelling people when you do stuff like that. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
I fully agree. And Andy, I watched some of this stuff myself and I’ve had exactly the same feelings. And I haven’t said it until now publicly where it’s like, OK, I understand you guys. I understand the fervor. I understand your excitement. I understand the fact that he probably on our side of the aisle has one of the better chances of winning. We’ll talk a little bit more about some of the other candidates as well. Yes, I do. It’s early. There’s still a lot of things that have to happen between now and June, which is when our primary actually is, and a lot of things will happen over the next five to six months. Now, all that being said, do I like him? Yes. Do I know him? No. Do I know a lot of the followers? Yes. And some of you are cray-cray.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry, but you are.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re crazy. And some of you, by the way, are not. Right. Some of you are great. And I wonder what the people who are not think of posts like that that I just said, you know, because when you do that, when you go on unrelated posts and you go, you know, Victor Marx, whatever. OK. And you don’t engage at all with the post. You are insulting the post. Right. And you’ve got to keep in mind, forget about the person who wrote the post. There are a lot of people who are also commenting on the post, right? And they’re saying they’re engaging. They’re saying, well, I think this way. No, I think this way and whatever. You’re insulting all of them. And all of them are looking at you and just saying, you don’t give a whatever about what we’re saying. You don’t care about any of us. You’re only here to spam your guy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
We don’t like that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. And I can’t say as I blame those people that are saying that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, it comes off badly.
SPEAKER 15 :
I don’t like seeing it either.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, don’t do that. All you got to do is write a sentence or two that actually engages with the post. And then you can say, and I like Victor Marx, and here’s why. And it’s easy. It’s easy to apply that to the post.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and again, I understand that there’s a lot of Victor Marx supporters that aren’t politically savvy. Some are, and some of you know what I’m talking about. Some of you are, and some of you are not the people we’re talking about, by the way. But there are some Victor Marx supporters that are completely politically clueless, and I get that, Andy. And so I’ll give a little bit of grace at times. But again, what needs to be happening inside of the Victor Marx camp—this is my advice to them— is you guys need to be a little bit more strategic even with your followers, even with their postings, and helping them along these lines so that those that are not as politically astute, Andy, understand what we’re talking about. You need to do some training inside of your own camp.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they really do.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m sorry to say it that way, Andy, but they need to. Yeah, because, you know— Because otherwise you’re going to come off as a bunch of kooks.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re going to come off as a bunch of kooks, and you’re undermining—
SPEAKER 15 :
Your own campaign.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, you’re undermining a very persuasive and eloquent candidate.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Your candidate, I don’t know much about him yet. I don’t know how he’s going to—look, my big concern is this. Is he going to be another Dan Mays? Is he going to be somebody where a bunch of stuff is going to be dug up on organizations or churches or Christian organizations that he’s been part of?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hopefully that’s been vetted already.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, no, it’s in the process of being vetted. Okay. And have I heard some concerning things? Yes. Okay. But maybe those are kooks who are just attacking them because they are for Scott Bottoms or whatever. Right. I don’t know yet. We need to hear more. But folks, you are turning people off. You’re turning people off.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right. If you’re going to go on Facebook at all, then go on there in a way that is going to make people like your candidate more. And they’re not going to like your candidate more if you simply spam advertisements for him on unrelated posts.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, don’t repel. Be thought-provoking in your posts.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m not saying you’ve got to be a political jogger or not to be able to post and do things for your particular candidate, but you do need to – Here’s my advice always, and I said this yesterday along some of the conspiracies with Venezuela and so on, voting machines and the like when it comes to Venezuela. Be careful what you post. Think twice before you hit post, before you hit the OK button or whatever it is. Read through it thoroughly, by the way. Make sure you don’t have any typos. Make sure your spelling is correct. Make sure your grammar is correct. Do the things necessary to make sure you’re putting an intelligent post up when it’s all said and done. And by the way, if you need somebody else to read that for you before you actually post it, well, then copy, paste, send it to somebody. Make sure it sounds correctly before you hit that post button because the last thing we want to look like, Andy, is a bunch of morons.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. You know, here would be my advice. Very simple. To Victor Marks and Scott Bottoms, please start holding social media trainings for your followers.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, please.
SPEAKER 03 :
Show them how to actually engage and persuade.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, and Scott, you especially, because you’ve got somebody else now that’s entered into the ring, Whack-A-Doodle Joel, who’s going to start drawing some of your followers over to him because you guys are closely related in that regard. And I like Scott way better than I do Joel. Joel’s – I’m sorry, he’s a Whack-A-Doodle. The guy is just out there. He’s on cloud nine. I mean, I don’t know what else to say. Sorry. He’s the type of guy that will probably sue me for saying so.
SPEAKER 03 :
And for those who don’t know, what’s Joel’s last name? Oltman. Oltman.
SPEAKER 15 :
And he’s a Whack-A-Doodle.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look – When Altman entered the race, Scott Bottoms… Is done. I’m telling you what.
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Scott Bottoms’ candidacy was put on notice. Right. You may be finished.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. And so… Because his followers are very closely related to yours, and he’ll draw from you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Which doesn’t make sense. Scott Bottoms is a very… grounded, high-character individual, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is, but he thinks a lot like… Goldman is not. He thinks like you and I do, Andy. Yes, he does. And we’re very hard right in the beliefs and things that we have, meaning you and I are unelectable, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, bottom line, you’re saying… Bottoms is not electable in Colorado. No, he’s not. At least not if he doesn’t come out and really change his selling.
SPEAKER 15 :
Scott, and this is advice to you, you are electable in other areas. There’s some representative races. There’s probably even, and you’ve won some of those races here. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be in politics in Colorado. So you have that ability. I think even on a national level, you’ve got the ability in certain areas to do certain things, but not as governor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Here’s what I think you’re saying with their markets for the two candidates. Is that Scott Bottoms, the people who believe he can sell to the middle statewide in a blue state, are a little wacky.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s why they’ll support Joel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Wacky people gravitate toward Altman. And because of that, Altman is going to cut into Scott Bottoms’ group. Even though Altman, in my opinion… is not a great guy at all, and Scott is. Does that make sense? There’s a lot of overlap there in the wackiness.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Not that Scott is wacky.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oldman is the Alex Jones of Colorado.
SPEAKER 03 :
He is.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sorry, I don’t know how else to say it, but he is.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Scott Bottoms is not.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is not. He’s the opposite of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Literally the opposite of that. Unfortunately, the supporters of Joel will pull from, you know, some of those supporters, actually probably Scott Bottom supporters right now, that’ll change over to him when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so because of this, do you think… With Bottoms getting crushed by Oatman. And Oatman is not a viable candidate, in my opinion. I don’t think he has any chance on winning the primary.
SPEAKER 14 :
No, he doesn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
But he does have a chance of blowing away Bottoms. Because of that, does that leave Victor Marks all alone? And then, if that’s true, and Marks has anything come out about him that wrecks him, does that open a new lane for a different candidate?
SPEAKER 15 :
It could. You may end up having, you know, the… Like Mike Sell, the sheriff. Mike Sell and Kirkmeyer.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Kirkmeyer and Mike Sell, to me… They’re the outliers right now. Yeah, they’re the outliers. Kirkmeyer because she doesn’t appeal to the hardline base.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Mike Sell is an outlier just because of… But will be well-funded. Yeah. And Mike Sell because he doesn’t have name rec yet. Right. Okay. Could they enter in to the discussion because of what’s going on with these other guys? Altman just blew it all up.
SPEAKER 15 :
They couldn’t. In fact, you could end up having basically on the primary a three-way race between Kirk Meyer, Mike, and Victor, depending upon what happens there. Yeah, you could have it that way. Could be down to those three.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I don’t think Oltman can win.
SPEAKER 15 :
No, he can’t. No, not a snowball’s chance.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because he’s so repulsive and so crazy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, no. But the problem is he’s going to pull from Scott.
SPEAKER 03 :
Could Kirk Meyer wind up being the candidate?
SPEAKER 15 :
Could, yeah. And we’ll lose if she is, but sorry, I’m just being blunt. We’ll lose if she is. And the reason I say that is because she doesn’t pull enough of the hard ride in to allow her to win. They will actually, you know, because Greg will stay in this. They’ll all go over to the Greg side. Greg will pull from Kirkmeyer, and we don’t have a snowball’s chance of winning.
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree. Let me just say this. Looking forward right now, I only see two candidates on our side who in the general election would have a chance.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Marks and who’s the sheriff?
SPEAKER 15 :
Micell. Micell.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mike Sell.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. Mike Sell. Sorry. Mike Sell.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Right now. Right now. And maybe stuff will come out on Marks that he’s not viable. But right now, the only two candidates I see on our side who are even viable in the general election are those two. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
I can’t disagree with that. And, folks, we’re throwing a lot of things out early on because a lot of things will happen between now and June.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is so early.
SPEAKER 15 :
Although, here’s the thing about Andy and I, outside of Victor, because I don’t know Victor that well. All of the other candidates I know pretty well. I’ve interviewed them. I’ve talked to them. I’ve met them in person. I know these, not on an intimate basis, but I know these individuals pretty well, meaning I pretty well know who they attract and don’t attract. And the only one I really don’t know that well is Victor.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I mean, if Greg Lopez had remained in or Mark Baisley, if those two had remained.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’d be different.
SPEAKER 03 :
They would have been real contenders as other guys fell apart.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Come April and May.
SPEAKER 15 :
But Mark made the right choice. He’s on the right track.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, totally.
SPEAKER 15 :
Greg made the awful choice. He’s done, as we said earlier in the first hour.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, that was a bad choice.
SPEAKER 15 :
Bad choice on his part. His political career is now over, unfortunately, because I like Greg and he’s a nice guy. And whoever was advising him, I don’t know who that is, but whoever advised him is a moron.
SPEAKER 03 :
Last thing before we go to break. Greg, don’t you think he would have been well advised to look at the path Mark took?
SPEAKER 15 :
Greg could have run for the Senate. Well, and I said that at one time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
So I said that after he decided not to be GOP chair. I threw that out as well. Right. Because I really felt like that would be a good fit for him, and I thought he had a pretty good chance, especially with the Hispanic vote and all of that end of things. I think he stood a really good chance of going down that path. But he chose – I mean, again, I don’t know who’s advising him. Totally the wrong advice.
SPEAKER 03 :
John, I think that Greg and Mark were in the same situation. Mark also would have been a good choice for chair. Yeah.
SPEAKER 15 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Absolutely. Either one of them. Absolutely. And both of them, once again, not ripping on Britta here, but neither of them was involved in the war.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Against Dave.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. You’re right. And so they each had the choice. One of them chose to go for the Senate. The other, I think, chose to go the wrong way.
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We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Appreciate you all listening. And I mean that sincerely. Been a very active day. Lots of talk about, of course, between Venezuela, what’s going on here in Colorado politics. And I know you guys hear us talk a lot about the governor’s race. But, hey, in Colorado, that’s a big deal. 2026, we’ve got an opportunity to do some things that we typically don’t have. Governor Polis, who’s, by the way, in my opinion, been a… Just an awful governor. You look at the control that he had, what he did during COVID, what he’s done since. He’s a chameleon. He knows exactly what to say when. He does his best to camouflage his Marxism. He does a very good job at that, by the way. But at the end of the day, he is a total through and through Marxist. It’s very apparent. The whole wolf thing, which I was going to get into today, I didn’t, came because of his husband, if you would. at the end of the day. That’s the reason why we have wolves in Colorado, which has been absolutely disastrous. Donald Trump, by the way, might be stepping in to handle some of that in a different way because of how bad that policy or that law, you know, that reintroduction, I should say, has been here in Colorado. And you can thank his husband for all of that.
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I totally agree. But I think Colorado is going to be just a very uphill climb. Look, I don’t think any of our people are going to win Colorado. But the I look at Baisley in the Senate. He could. It’s going to be really hard, but he could. I look at Marks and Mikesell in the governor’s race. They could. At least they have a chance. But let me, before we go. Let me take one more look at Minnesota. Okay. I’m telling you, John, this is an incredible window. And it’s not just an incredible window because of the scandal that’s blown up. Democrats robbed Minnesotans blind. But also, you couple that with the incredible economic boom that Trump is going to produce nationwide in 26. What an opportunity if they don’t do something stupid. Do you think they’re going to do something dumb like choose Lindell?
SPEAKER 15 :
I sure hope not, but they probably will.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m worried they’re going to do dumb things.
SPEAKER 15 :
The guy’s got name recognition, so he does have that going for him, unfortunately. And he’s a great guy. And he is. He’s a good guy. I think Mike’s great. Again, the biggest problem that Mike has is, like I said earlier, too much influence. He listens to the wrong people. It’s what got him into trouble with some of the lawsuits that were out there and so on, and he never should have gone that direction.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. I agree. I mean, really, outside of talking about the 2020 steal, does he even have a central issue? I don’t think he does. And if anyone thinks that that issue is going to sell in Minnesota, I mean, no way.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. All right, folks, that’s it for today. We appreciate you listening very much. And, again, have a great night out there. Be safe. It’s dark now. We’re getting a little more daylight each day, as Andy and I talked about earlier. But Andy and I both signing off. You guys have a fantastic night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
Thank you.
