In this episode of Rush to Reason, guest host Andy Pate and his guest Eli Bremmer delve into the often-misunderstood concept of political unity. They challenge the prevailing narratives pushed by different factions and unravel the complexities behind calls for unity within the Republican Party. The conversation exposes how these demands can often be a front for power struggles rather than genuine efforts towards cohesive action. As Eli Bremmer brings insights from his political experiences, listeners are urged to rethink what unity truly means and how it impacts political dynamics.
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And welcome to hour number three here on Rush to Reason. I’m Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. On the line right now, we have my favorite most evil man in Colorado. That is Eli Bremmer. Eli, how you doing, sir? Eli, are you there?
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, sorry, I had a little malfunction. Great to be on with you today, and thanks for having me on, and I love the intro that way. It just makes me feel really special.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I want to make you feel special, and I always love when people just freak out the second they hear your name. I mean, it’s amazing. People just freak out. I believe in certain Rhino Watch circles, your name is actually used as profanity.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, I’d be stunned if it’s not. So with, of course, the irony being that in the rest of the country, it’s the Democrats who take a great issue with me. But that should say a lot right there.
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It says a lot right there. Okay, well, let’s get back into our state. Eli, right now, everybody’s bashing everybody over the head here in Colorado and the GOP over unity. They’re all saying, make unity happen. Make unity happen. When the RINO watchers demand unity, what are they really wanting?
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Well, their way for unity is sort of like what Palestine has for unity with Israel. It’s like, we’ll unify by killing all of them. So it’s a very similar mantra. And, you know, I’ve been, you know, attacked for using that scenario. But I’m saying, yeah, they’re not calling for the literal death, but that’s the negotiation tactic. You have no right to exist. If you don’t believe what I do exactly right now, then I can destroy you, malign you, sue you. But this is who the establishment actually is in this state. And why I’m glad that we continue to uncover it on your show so that people truly understand, you know, what goes on behind the scenes.
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Yeah, you know, I’m really getting concerned over this unity talk. And here’s why. Unity in and of itself is not a beautiful thing. Okay, you can unify behind bad things. Okay, it’s like saying diversity.
SPEAKER 13 :
It was very unified. What? Germany in the 1930s was very unified. Russia, Soviet Union was very unified.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, extremely. You see, unity on its own is not a great thing. And, you know, it’s like saying diversity is, right? Diversity is our strength. No, diversity isn’t strength. Strength is strength. Character is strength. Teamwork is strength. Working together is strength. And diversity can be great. Or it could be bad. If you have a very diverse group of people who are lousy at their jobs, it’s not going to be really great, Eli.
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Well, I’d like to see a diverse basketball team with some five foot tall people, some five foot three tall people. You know, like that would be a really interesting game to watch. I’m sure it’d be very effective. They’d win every game.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah. They’d do well because of their diversity. By the way, my wife sent me a text. I don’t know if you watch. Do you watch Harry Potter at all?
SPEAKER 13 :
I have an 11 year old son who he identifies as Harry Potter. We’re not transitioning him yet because we don’t believe in that. But, you know, if you could transition into Harry Potter, it would be him.
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OK, my wife says Rhino Watch refers to Eli as he who shall not be named.
SPEAKER 13 :
I thought that was a great compliment. Thank you, Corey.
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Okay. Well, here’s what I mean. Here’s what I think they’re doing. And these people who say we need to unify, well, that’s not unifying. That’s not unifying. That’s not unifying. Every time, Eli, they say it because they don’t want to be criticized. And what they’re saying is any criticism of me is anti-unity. And I just kind of wanted to ask you, is criticism an attack on unity?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I think it can be, but back to your point, the way these folks want to unify is that they get total control. Let’s be really clear here. There’s a few thousand people who attend the caucus system because it is such a horrifically miserable experience. So the vast majority of your listeners don’t attend the caucus system. These folks have endeavored to make it an even more miserable experience than it needs to be, and they want to do that so that they control everything. That’s unity. You have unity in a communist system. And so, you know, yeah, maybe it’s disunifying, but, you know, Donald Trump was disunifying before people actually unified, you know, predominantly behind his success. And notably, most of these people, by the way, Andy, I’d like to take a walk back in time. These are literally the same people who walked out on President Trump in the 2016 convention. Right. Not sort of the same. They are the same people.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they were Cruz supporters back then, which is fine. But when they turned and walked out, they weren’t team players. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, they weren’t, and it was destructive. And that’s because, let’s be really clear, the way you actually get authentic, productive unity is by having the same commonality of purpose. Now, I went to the Air Force Academy. I served in the military. I competed in sports at the international level. I’ve been on a lot of teams. Teams that work well have the same purpose, the same selfless purpose. I had friends of mine in the military that didn’t come back from combat. And we all knew we were signing up for you served in the military as well. Like we knew what that is. The reason the military is strong is not a diversity. It’s it’s it’s unity of purpose. Right. Not just sort of unity that we all sit around and say, hey, we happen to wear the same uniform. So we’re kind of unified. What makes the the sort of, you know, the folks that call themselves the grassroots that are the corrupt establishment in Colorado different. you know, so difficult is that they they want unity behind their purpose, which is their power, their money. And it has nothing to do with conservative governance or winning or anything like that. It’s purely their power.
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Yeah. And here’s a real problem I have right now, Eli. A lot of right now they’re all calling for the removal of Britta Horn as chair, which you knew was coming. They hated her the moment she took this took the office because they wanted it. Okay. And by the way, I can understand that. I can understand when your person doesn’t get in, you’re very upset and you don’t want to work with them. Okay. But here’s the big difference. Remember now we wanted Dave Williams out of his position. Okay. So we wanted what they currently want, but here’s the difference. Dave Williams did things that were against the team. All right. Dave, Britta Horn, you can say, well, gee, I don’t like the way she’s running things. It’s not my style or I just don’t like her. You can say whatever you want. But did Britta Horn campaign against her own team? OK, Dave, Dave Williams literally campaigned against Republicans. He attacked Republicans. He ran against fellow Republicans in a primary while serving as their chair. He took loans from the state party for his campaign to attack other Republicans. He put paid for by the Colorado Republican Committee on literature attacking fellow Republicans. He campaigned to have our leadership endorse against Republicans in primaries. Do you see my problem? So when the leadership literally is against the team, I mean, it’s taking when the leadership is literally acting to divide the team. At that point, I think it’s okay to say we need new leadership. What do you think?
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And Andy, let’s be really clear here. They were unified with the Democrats. Yes. Dave Williams and Hope Shepelman actively campaigned with the Democrats. They aligned with them. They supported the same candidates. Let’s not forget, Hope Shepelman was reposting the Democrat ads against Jeff Hurst.
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And for those who don’t remember, she was our state vice chair at the time. So our state vice chair was… was reposting Democrat ads against our candidate. Go ahead.
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And when she was called out on it, she said, ha ha, yeah, you’re darn right I am. So, you know, you can have unity. The way Colorado Republicans could have unity is we could just take the way they wanted and say, let’s just unify with the Democrats. Let’s put up the candidates that they want us to put up because that will be the easiest candidates for them to defeat. And we’ll have unity. We’ll have unity with the Democrats. We’ll have unity with each other. But that’s not really the kind of unity we want. What we want is winning and results. And these folks, the Colorado Republican establishment that has been controlling the system for about 10 to 15 years behind the scenes through the caucus system, they have no results to show for it. And the funny thing is, Andy, you know, they’re all pseudoscientists and some of them are more dishonest than others. I mean, I’ve read for years that Neil Mathai come out and say things that are just factually not true about statistics. And I assume he had taken those statistics seriously. And then I realized he actually had like advanced degrees with applicability. And he’s just a liar. But that’s who this group is, is they’ve been lying about this because behind the scenes, it’s about their power. They’re OK with the Democrats winning as long as they get to control the mechanisms and as long as they get the campaign funds. That’s all they’re interested in.
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OK, on the other side of the break, I’m going to prep you with this one, OK? There are a lot of Republicans who are of that ilk. All right. And I don’t know how to put it. You know, it’s kind of a libertarian brand of republicanism, which is weird because I hold a lot of libertarian views. But there’s a libertarian brand of republicanism right now that has no loyalty to the party, to the Republican Party. And so what they say is I will vote for any Republican candidate who I believe in, but I’m not going to vote party line. And so on the other side of the break, I want to ask you, why do we vote party line? Why is it important for us to unite around our team? Sound good? Sounds great. Let’s take it to the next section. Let’s do it. Okay. Up next is Flesh Law. That’s Kevin Flesh. He’s F-L-E-S-H. He’s my lawyer. He can be yours, too. No one’s better than Kevin. So call Flesh Law at 303-806-8886, or you can go to FleshLawFirm.com.
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This is TJ with KLZ Radio here with Golden Eagle Financial and Al Smith once again. Al, how are you today? I’m great, TJ. How are you? I am doing well. I was just thinking today, Al, how do people find happiness in their retirement? You must have some pretty neat stories about the way that people have gone into retirement. What are some of those?
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What are some ways that people can prepare for that, Al? How do people get ready for that retirement when they’re earlier on before they approach that?
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Excellent. As always, you can find Al Smith of Golden Eagle Financial on klzradio.com slash money. Al, thanks for joining us today.
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You’re welcome, TJ. Thanks for having me.
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This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush online right now. We’ve got Eli, he who shall not be named, but I just named him, Eli Bremer. And Eli… There are a lot of these people, especially the libertarian wing, who bristle at the idea of voting party line. They feel that it’s compromising their principles. Why are they wrong?
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You know, let’s go back to the 2000 election and you had Ralph Nader in there. I supported Ralph Nader for one reason. He took votes away from the Democrats. The Libertarian Party is today what the Green Party used to be for Democrats. So if you’re in that environment, don’t take my word at it. Look at what happened. when the Green Party couldn’t get along with the Democrats, and the Republicans won several elections that we wouldn’t have otherwise run. So, you know, if that’s what your goal is to do, is to hurt Republicans, and you want to see more socialism, more mandamis out there, then you’re accomplishing that. But a vote is a strategic decision. It is not a philosophical decision. So it is not a question of purity or anything like that. It’s a question of practicality. And that’s how people should be doing their vote. It’s not you’re not marrying this person. You’re not endorsing them. You’re simply saying that is the best person that is electable who happens to be on the ballot.
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Yeah. As I always say, Eli, protest voting is wrong. OK, votes were not meant for protests. That’s why we have a secret ballot. OK, voting is supposed to actually be done in secret. If you are trying to protest with your vote, what are you accomplishing? Zero. Zero. You’ve got to vote for the best, you know, the most numerical, the best numerically viable opportunity to advance liberty. All right. I mean, that’s what you got to vote for. And if you don’t do that, why are you voting? Voting, like you were basically saying, it’s not a protest. It is a strategic mathematical decision.
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That’s right. And you’re not, you know, it’s not Valentine’s Day. You’re not sending them a I love you card. You’re not asking them to marry you or anything like that. You’re making a practical decision. If you go to, you know, imagine if you go to the restaurant and you look at the menu and the top thing that you had is not on the menu. And you say, you know what, just to spite this, I’m not going to eat tonight. I’m going to go hungry. Well, you’re the only person that’s been diminished by that. That’s a good point. It doesn’t do you any good. So, you know, order the best thing that’s on the menu. Don’t, you know, say, well, it’s not on the menu, so I’m not ordering it, and I’ll teach the restaurant a lesson. Or you can tell the waiter, I’d like it sometime, but that’s about it.
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Or put another way, what if you say, no, no, no, this is what I really like, and you order what you really want, and they say, that’s not on menu. But this is what I really want, so I’m going to order that anyway. It’s not on the menu, but I’m going to order it anyway. And here’s the thing, folks. If somebody is not numerically viable, you could say, well, they’re only going to get 3% of the vote. That means they have a 3% chance of winning. No, it doesn’t. It means they have a 0% chance of winning. Okay, statistically.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that’s right. Look at what happened in New York City where you had Sliwa, who had a 0% chance of winning. Right.
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Zero.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so… You know, that was just kind of a silly election. And it probably wouldn’t have made a difference anyway. Our communist friend Mondani got over 50 percent. Sure. But and very clear, like President Trump, I think, did the smart thing by endorsing Cuomo. But Cuomo is a dumpster fire, but he’s not a communist.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yeah, but really quick here, really quick here, because you make such a good point. I don’t want you to run on from it. Why isn’t Sliwa out there now apologizing for everything he said leading into the election? Because he kept saying, we can win this, we can win this. And the smart people said, you absolutely have zero chance of winning. Your votes can only come from Cuomo. You can only damage Cuomo. And we can say, well, Cuomo would have lost anyway. Okay, but let’s say Sliwa had left early on. And it had become a pure two-man race. That’s momentum. Cuomo would have had a better chance of winning. And the fact is, these guys who do like Sliwa did, or these libertarians, what always gets me, Eli, is the day after election. Because they tell us, vote your principle, your principle, your principle, your principle. And, gee, somehow we’re going to rise up. We’re going to shock the world. They lose every time. And the day after election, they never apologize.
SPEAKER 13 :
Andy, let’s be clear of why they’re doing it. Sliwa raised however much money. It probably raised hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. That money probably went to professional consultants who kept him in the race. That’s how that whole mechanism works. So when you are out there supporting a candidate who’s completely unviable, you’re not just supporting a bad candidate. You’re supporting a system of liars. Because those consultants and those people around that candidate, they know he doesn’t have a chance of winning, but they are there to collect a paycheck, not to advance a conservative cause. And so, again, I would turn back to President Trump, look at his examples. He had a dumpster fire with Cuomo, and he had a communist with Bundani. So he chose the dumpster fire over the communists. I think it was a pretty smart move.
SPEAKER 06 :
It was because let’s say you have 20 different issues that are important to you. Mamdani is going to agree with you on zero. Cuomo will agree with you on two out of 20. OK, that way you can advance two issues for liberty. Versus zero issues for liberty. Yeah, but if I vote my principles, I’m advancing 18. No, you’re not advancing them. That’s the whole point. If they have zero chance of being elected, your vote is a protest vote. Votes are not made for protest.
SPEAKER 13 :
Go ahead. There’s another factor of this. Let’s look at that New York race because everybody’s familiar with it. If Sliwa had dropped out and Cuomo had gotten a little bit of momentum and gotten elected, Cuomo would need to view Republicans as part of his core constituency, which means he’s probably going to change his governance to be actually more conservative. So by being more pragmatic and practical and thoughtful about how you vote, you can actually change because If your vote goes away, if it’s my way or the highway, then the reality of it is politicians don’t need to take your vote into account because you’re not negotiating with them. And so Cuomo would have been less of a dumpster fire had he gotten elected than he was last time for the sole reason that he would have had to take into account what Republicans wanted.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, and you know what? It’s even worse than just voting for somebody who can’t win. Most of those people who say, I’m voting my principles, and they vote for somebody with literally zero chance. By the way, any of your principles that don’t get elected won’t advance, just so you know. So you’re not voting for your principles. Well, yeah, I am, I guess. No. No. OK, that’s like putting money. It’s like, you know, Eli, if I were to say I’m going to bet $100 on the Cleveland Browns to win last year’s Super Bowl. OK, they weren’t in last year’s Super Bowl. And by the way, they didn’t win it. That’s throwing $100 away. You are taking your vote and throwing it away. OK, that’s called protest vote. They are not achieving anything. They are literally achieving nothing. But the worst thing is most of those people convince others to follow them.
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Well, it is. And it’s it’s politics. It’s performative politics. It’s entertainment politics. And it doesn’t, you know, it never advances the conservative cause. I remember when I was the El Paso County Party chairman, a former state senator who was probably one of the most arrogant people I’d ever run into in politics. I took him out to breakfast because he had been actively working against me. And he prided himself on being the most pro-life person because he had the highest pro-life voting record. And I said, well, you have a colleague that’s running legislation. that’s going to get bipartisan support, that’s actually going to advance the pro-life agenda. And he said, well, he’s not a real pro-lifer because he doesn’t try to ban all abortions right now. And I said, yeah, but you’re not going to do that. But if this legislation passes, babies in the womb will have legal protection in Colorado for the first time And that’s a big legal step forward. So I think he’s more pro-life than you are because he’s accomplishing more for the pro-life agenda. And this poor gentleman had zero ability to understand that getting something done was better than getting nothing done.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I mean, if you look at somebody, let’s say in the scale of pro-life, you go from zero to 10, right? And this guy could say he’s a 10. Okay. Let’s do multiplication though. All right. And let’s say the other guy was a seven on the pro-life scale, right? But let’s say the other guy had a, I’ll say, 45% chance of winning. Okay? And this guy had a 0% chance of winning. What is 0 times 10? I stole 0. Right. So you are advancing 0.
SPEAKER 13 :
pro-life legislation i’ll take it a step further go ahead the scoreboard the scoreboard is not these rating systems okay you’ve got principles of liberty you got all these special interest groups that are out there and you know what they are they’re just money-making scams okay let’s let’s let’s be really clear some are awful what these are yeah yeah and and so so what you know i’m in the real world i run a business i’m the ceo of a company i came out of olympic sports okay and In my world, we get measured based on what you accomplished. I’m not part of this, like, liberal woke world where, like, anyone cares how you feel about things or that you gave it a try. You know, I have to actually run a business and make money. That’s my real world. And it’s amazing to see in politics these sort of politicians who come out here and say, I’m the most conservative because a ratings group gave me this number. And I’m like, you know what? No. You know, maybe that’s good you found your way in politics because in the private sector, we expect real results. We don’t expect fake results. I expect you to actually get stuff done. And what’s interesting is the people with the highest rating scores are usually the ones who are getting the least done to advance the conservative agenda.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s true. Okay. I mean, how many things has Rand Paul put through?
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s pretty close to zero.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s pretty close to zero. And by the way, I agree with Rand Paul on a lot of stuff. Thomas Massey, how many things has he put through?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think the number is exactly zero.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Okay. So they achieve absolutely nothing. We have a thing here in Colorado called the Liberty score. Or is that what, is that what it’s called? The Liberty score?
SPEAKER 13 :
Liberty scorecard.
SPEAKER 06 :
Liberty scorecard. Yeah. Dumbest thing ever. Okay. And people hear that and think, Oh, you’re a liberal. You’re a rhino. No, I, I agree. If you looked at my beliefs, I would score very highly on the Liberty scorecard. I would. Okay. But number one, it’s coming from one perspective and different people can define liberty differently on some issues. You know that. But number two. This it doesn’t take into account that. OK, what if somebody is in a deep red district where they can safely vote for all these things you like and then somebody else barely want a purple district? And if they vote the way you want, they’re going to lose by 20 points next time. Are you taking that into account? Well, no, we don’t know. We don’t take. OK, what about this other guy? What is he advanced? Nothing. See, it just blows my mind, Eli. These people, we call them purists, but they’re really not because I don’t think it’s pure at all to take a strategic position that advances nothing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, you know, it reminds me, Andy, I grew up next to the Air Force Academy and eventually attended school there. And I adore the Air Force football team, although the last couple of years have been brutal for us. I got so frustrated when I would hear the coaches talk about, you know, well, we controlled the time of possession. And I think, oh my gosh, can we please control the score for a change? Because if you control the score, you win. That’s a good idea. And I hate that. Hillary Clinton, we won the popular vote. Okay, that’s wonderful. That’s actually not how the system works. In football, they don’t say who had the ball for the most amount of time. They say who put the points on the board. In politics, it’s, you know, did you win enough electoral votes? And then once you’re in office, the question isn’t how pure are your votes. The question is, what did you accomplish? And you want to see a great example of this. It was actually the Liberty Caucus that the House Freedom Caucus members that were the main reason why we did not kill Obamacare. The Senate is what the Senate is, right? It’s a very set group. It’s designed to be much more insulated. They get elected every six years. You knew you had John McCain there. But it was the Freedom Caucus that was actually out there making an unpalatable bill because these doggone rating systems were saying, well, if you accepted a, quote, imperfect disillusionment of Obamacare. then we’re going to give you a bad rating. So we have a lot of folks that were in Congress in 2017 that didn’t work with President Trump to actually get Obamacare destroyed. And it’s biting us in the butt in the fall of 2025 because Obamacare was bad legislation. We controlled the House and the Senate in 2017, and we didn’t get it done because the perfect was the enemy of the good. Now, President Trump, who’s just doing a magnificent job, you’re a movie critic. How often are the sequels better than the original? I mean, this sequel is brilliant.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, he reminds me of, it’s kind of funny you say that, he reminds me of Aliens and Terminator 2, T2, where the second one’s better than the first. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, and yet he’s being cobbled by the Freedom Caucus. that basically wouldn’t let him dismantle obamacare in his first term so if you want to see an example of how this works in real life look at the fight we’re having right now and the democrats have the you know the media in their pocket and the media saying republicans are trying to drive up the cost of health care come on this was the democrats who did it but republicans screwed up in 2017 by not getting rid of 80 or 90 percent of it which they 100 could have done
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Yeah, I totally agree. Hey, let’s take a break. When we come back, I want to talk single-issue voting because a lot of people will say, this is my single issue. That is my single issue. That is what matters, and I’m going to vote on that every single time. I want to talk about that when we come back. First, though, we got Geno’s Auto, great mechanics and loaner cars. They got everything you need to get back on the road. For the best in auto care, call Geno’s at 303-794-6700.
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason. Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush online. We got Eli Bremer. Eli, back in 2022. For the state Senate, Michael Bennett, he won against Joe O’Day. Joe O’Day had beaten Ron Hanks in our primary. Ron Hanks, as you know, dropped out of the—when he lost the primary, he said, because of abortion, because Joe O’Day is too pro-choice on abortion— that he was going to endorse the Libertarian candidate, but not only that, he called on all his followers to not vote for Joe O’Day because of one single issue. Why is single-issue voting so damaging?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, let me back up and correct the record. Ron Hanks said that because Ron Hanks is an incredibly dishonest person who cares only about himself. So I was in that Senate campaign. I sat on the stage with him many times and heard him say things that he knew were not true. So I had a visceral dislike of him by the end of the campaign and became friends with many of the other candidates because he would say things that he knew were true. So let’s just start with that. But going to single-issue voters, I think that’s really important. Again, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. A protest vote isn’t actually a thing. And single-issue voters just typically tend to hurt who their allies are. And oftentimes they get inflamed by these special interest groups that really just get in front of them and lie to them or tell them a half-truth. Mostly to make money. We had a woman down here in Colorado Springs named Marcy Little who decided that she was going to launch a pro-life political action committee. And, you know, I’m pro-life. My family’s always been pro-life. We’ve been very open about that. But she decided that what she wanted to do was raise money to attack Republicans who in her sole opinion, were not pro-life enough. And these are people like Doug Lamborn, who has been pro-life and was pro-life through his entire political career. You really couldn’t find anybody more pro-life on that issue than he was. But this is a young lady who figured she could make a dollar by sending out inflammatory emails and conning people into giving her money. Fortunately, I think that enterprise has has since effectively gone under. But, you know, I think that that single issue voting, again, it feeds this sort of very corrupt political system. And it’s better to be a smart, holistic voter and pick the best overall candidate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Let me give you, I have to agree with everything you just said. It was beautiful. Let me give you my reason that single issue voting is a terrible strategy. It only works if nobody else does it. OK, single issue voting, because you’ve got everybody in your team, right? We are the Republican team. Let’s say you’re pro-life and that’s your big one, right? And by the way, I’m very pro-life, as you know. And you say, this is my single issue. Or maybe you say my single issue is gun rights or school choice or oil and gas. That’s a biggie for me. Flat tax, whatever. Here’s the problem. You can line up. Let’s say you line up the top 10 issues. And for Republicans in general, if you have people support who are single issue voters for all those issues, that means that for every candidate you put up, unless they align on all 10 and unless all Republicans align on all 10 together. then people, if anybody else votes single issue, they’re going to drop off from your candidate. So let’s say you get the candidate you want. You want a pro-life candidate. And this candidate’s pro-life. But they don’t have quite the gun rights views that this 20% over here want. And they say that’s their single issue. And they’re not quite there with school choice. But they are with oil and gas, flat tax, and so forth. The problem is this. You, as your single issue that you’re trying to advance to win with your Republican candidate, you can only do that if nobody else puts their single issue above everything. Because if everybody does it, there’s no way you are going to come together as a coalition to win. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Andy, what I love about this is we don’t have to guess. This is not just political philosophy. There was a group of four people that got together. Their party had been in disarray. And they were single-issue voters, and they had been strongly thinking about being single-issue voters. And they got together and said, you know what? If we just support our party regardless of whether or not the people in our party support our single issue, I think we can start making progress. And in 20 years, that group of – actually it took them about 10 years to flip an entire state. And for those people who don’t know, I’m talking about our state. That was Jared Paulus and Tim Gill and Pat Stryker, and their issue was gay rights. It was the gay agenda. And in 2004, 2005, they said the way to advance the homosexual agenda is to get Democrats in power, Democrats who do or do not support our agenda. And if you don’t think that’s been effective, walk out the door, walk around Aurora, walk around anywhere, you’ll see exactly how effective that has been. So a smart person, whether it’s in business or sports or military, will look at their opponents and say, what tactics are they using effectively? And Colorado has shown absolutely completely that. that single-issue voting doesn’t work, but supporting the party that generally supports you can move mountains.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, there was one issue that has also crept up and become very important amongst young Republicans lately, and it’s Israel. There are an awful lot of young Republicans who literally despise Israel. They’ll say they don’t. They always use every bit of rhetoric in the book that they’ve been fed by various podcasters, but they don’t like Israel. Okay, well, that’s fine. Look, we’re a diverse party. Right. And we have many views. But what they’ll say is anyone who supports Israel is a neocon. And I don’t care if they agree with me on everything else. I’m not going to support them. There are single issue voters and they are very rabid about this. And I see so many online right now, Eli, who say they’re dumping Trump. They’re dumping the GOP. They are so furious over what’s going on because the GOP is not cutting ties with Israel.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, if I can rabbit trail on that for one second, that is actually coming out of some sort of more progressive evangelical churches. And let me be abundantly clear. If you read the Bible, as I know you do and I do, if you believe the Bible, the theory behind this is that the Israel of today is not the Israel of the Bible. If you believe that the New Testament is the inspired word of God, as I do and you do, That is a heretical reading of the Bible. So I just want to get that out there. The nation of Israel, whether or not they’re behaving themselves, okay, you go back to the Old Testament, and, you know, there were times when the nation of Israel got, you know, in the wrong way, and God disciplined them as a loving father would. That is the nation of Israel.
SPEAKER 06 :
They were still Israel, even with bad government, even with bad leadership, even when they went astray.
SPEAKER 13 :
And if you believe that the New Testament is part of Scripture, there’s no reading of that that says that the nation of Israel is not an actual nation-state, okay? So this is coming out of, frankly, what I believe is heretical teaching out of some oftentimes more woke liberal churches, and that’s where that’s coming from. But then the fruit of that lie is that they are taking up positions that with very anti-biblical positions, anti-conservative positions. So once again, that sort of single-issue outlook has completely clouded their vision, and it’s causing them to campaign and work against good conservative values.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean, we just saw this, of course, with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who’s stepping aside and leaving in January. And, you know, look… She claims that Trump turned on her over Epstein and maybe some of Israel. OK, because she is definitely no friend of Israel. I don’t think so. I think Trump didn’t. I think he turned on her because she’s not a good team player and turned on the party in numerous ways. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
I completely I completely, totally and utterly agree with you. OK. Marjorie Taylor Greene was in this for herself. She would say and do whatever she thought would get clicks. so that she could raise money. And, and this was all about her and nothing but her. And, you know, you can love everything about president Trump or not, but he is the president of the United States. He’s the leader of the Republican party. And, you know, what happened with her is that her ego and her need for, you know, being the biggest player out there and the biggest bomb thrower simply got in the way of her being a good team player.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. And, and the big problem here is this Marjorie, you know, um, Just because Trump bombed a nuke site, you don’t have to turn on him and say, oh, he is suddenly a tool of Israel. Suddenly Mossad is controlling Trump. It gets ludicrous. And I don’t want to get too much into the Israel thing. I think I’m into it too much already. Let’s back out for a second. The bottom line is single issue voting is illegal. deadly to a party. It’s deadly. OK, it kills it. Once again, it only works if nobody else does it. So you’d better hope not only that everybody else agrees with you on your issue, but that all of them have the same issue as the number one issue as you. OK, because otherwise, what if they vote on their number one issue only and you don’t agree with them? Single-issue voting cannot build a coalition. It cannot. But what you’re saying is, if we come together and advance the general cause of liberty, and now and then I won’t get my way on abortion or Israel or gun rights or whatever 100% the way I want it, overall, just by electing more Republicans, I’m going to move the ball and improve my situation on those things as well.
SPEAKER 13 :
And Andy, I think it’s important to… to make a difference between, you know, a straight line gun or a straight line abortion type of issue. Um, and also recognize that there can be some tectonic changes that happen. I think MAGA is a tectonic change and that’s not a single issue. Are you, you know, do you stand for America as a, as a beacon of light or do you want to apologize for it and sort of say, we’re, you know, we should subordinate our interest to the rest of the world. Um, I have worked on a single issue, which is women’s rights in sports and recognizing women as a different sex and gender, which is sort of like saying that we recognize that the earth is, in fact, round. Exactly. That has become less of a single issue and more of a tectonic change where liberal women are waking up and saying, wait a second, liberals don’t believe that my gender exists, that my sex exists. And that is not as much of a single issue as a fundamental waking up and realizing that if you’re a women’s rights person, you probably shouldn’t be in the Democratic Party because they don’t think you exist. They think men make better women than women do. So I think it’s important just for clarity to say there are issues that are – there are themes that are that big. Like if a party doesn’t recognize your gender – I don’t recognize about 37 genders that the woke liberals recognize. I’m fine with them not supporting my party. That’s okay. They can do that. For women, the fact that the Democrat Party doesn’t support their gender, that should probably be a wake-up call. I think that’s well beyond single issue. And right now, Republicans, within the Republican coalition, we’ve got strong national defense. We have pro-life. We have pro-guns. We’ve got strong borders. Those single issues are all going to be positive themes in the Republican Party, and they’re antithetical in the Democratic Party.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yeah, and even the log cabin Republicans, the gay Republicans, totally agree with us on keeping men out of women’s sports, biological men out of women’s sports. Hey, let’s take one more break. When we come back, I want to talk about Massey and Paul. And how they’re voting is really causing problems at the national level. Up next is Mile High Coin. Hey, coins, stamps, jewelry, if it’s small and you collect it, Dave Gonzalez can probably appraise it. Call Dave at Mile High Coin, 720-370-3400.
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. And online right now, we’ve got Eli Bremmer. Eli… One last time, I am not really in favor of the whole push for unity right now. I’m not for disunity. That’s not the point. I’m for teamwork. And I think we have to work as a team. Look, folks, unless we work together as a coalition, the simple fact is our opposition, the Democrats, are too numerous and united for us to defeat them. So when we take a look at Thomas Massey, who on every budget bill votes no. Why? Because it doesn’t match his purest beliefs. Well, here’s the problem, Eli. His purest beliefs could never get a majority to win. How do we work with this?
SPEAKER 13 :
Andy, I’d even ask the question, you know, to what end is he doing this? This is this is like I said earlier, performative politics. It’s what Rush Limbaugh, who I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh every day. I was homeschooled. We were allowed to listen to an hour of Rush Limbaugh every day, and that definitely shaped my political views. And Rush had a saying. He said liberals like to use symbolism over substance. Yeah, I remember. And I think, unfortunately, we have Democrats now or we have Republicans who use symbolism over substance. There’s no substance to this. It’s not changing anything. He’s just a no vote. There’s no negotiation with that. There’s no moving the needle. So anytime that someone comes to you with a very self-righteous, I call it the party Pharisee type of environment, because they’re like the Pharisees in Jesus’ day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, the absolutists.
SPEAKER 13 :
They say, yeah, I am the most holy person, and you’re not nearly as holy as me. And Jesus came out and said, no, that’s actually not how it works. You guys are just whitewashed tombs. So I kind of view these absolutists in the same way. It’s performative politics. And frankly, I think they’re liars. I think that they say that they’re for a smaller government, but they’re not working for a smaller government. Their actions are the exact opposite of their words.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s totally true. They’re not working for a smaller government at all. In fact, they produce more liberal bills. I was saying in the first hour, Eli, that when Thomas Massey comes out, we’ve got a razor-thin majority in the House, right? When he comes out and says, I’m going to vote against this, it’s not nearly where my principles are. Well, yeah, but your principles can’t possibly get. If we went by your principles, we would get slaughtered in the next election. Well, I’m going to say no anyway. Well, then to get passage, we have to get a more liberal person to sign on. Which means we’ve got to make the bill more liberal.
SPEAKER 13 :
Go ahead. His principle is not getting a better bill signed or a more conservative bill. His principle is that he gets to have a holier-than-thou attitude and that he gets to look down his nose at everybody else and say, I am ultra pure and I am the most conservative person. That’s his principle. He doesn’t care about conservative governance.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. You see, I don’t believe these people are America first. OK, because I think he is his supporters first and he only cares about his supporters. And he wants his supporters to keep the donations coming and to keep applauding him when he goes and does his speeches. But he accomplishes nothing. OK. America first is to look at what is the greater good of America, where it is right now that we can get past to where we’ll get enough. You know, 51 percent of the people actually vote for it. and actually advance America’s interests and then restart in two years and try again.
SPEAKER 13 :
He’s against that. I think people should think about this when you’re sending someone to Congress or you’re sending them to the State House or the State Senate. Is that person going to go fight for me and cut the best deal? Or are they going to go there and do performative politics and sell out my interests, sell out my taxes? I mean, I look at what we have to pay for health care now. We’re out on taxes. And a lot of this is because Republicans were purist about it, and they said, we won’t do anything to reduce your tax bill. We won’t try to fix the medical situation, the health care situation. So when you’re casting a vote for someone who’s going to go to Washington or Denver, think, who, when I’m not looking, is going to cut me the best deal? Not who’s out there on social media saying they’re the most conservative, but who’s going to go behind the closed doors saying, and find the best deal for me. That’s the guy or gal you want representing you, not the one who grandstands and sends you email solicitations, because they’re all solicitations. Oh, I got a perfect Liberty scorecard deal. Give me $10 now. That’s how that works, folks. It’s all a money game. It’s performance politics, and they’re selling this out.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m going to close with this. We elected Donald Trump not because he wrote the Art of the Purity deal, the Art of the Purity demand. He wrote the Art of the Deal. Everything you just said, Eli, is exactly what Donald Trump brought, and that’s why he’s making America great again.
SPEAKER 13 :
Amen to that, Andy. Amen to that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Amen to that. Hey, Eli, thanks again for joining us. That was fantastic. Folks, that is it for today. Hour 1 replays next. Tomorrow is going to be a best-of show. Now, I’m going to be back on Wednesday with movie reviews. And the Hour 2 topic, I’m going to be with two ladies here. It’s going to be chick flicks. I’m already outnumbered. I’m already afraid. Until then, drive safe, God bless, and thanks for joining us at Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
