Join Mike Gallagher as he navigates a dynamic conversation about the American political panorama in this engaging episode. Through insightful discussions with economist Stephen Moore, the dialogue unfolds around the dramatic improvements in the stock market and the ongoing economic strategies under the current political leadership. Discover the latest in trade negotiations and political tensions, together with personal anecdotes that offer a candid look into the personal and professional impacts of these pivotal issues.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior. Mike Gallagher. Broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network. Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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I’m having a rough day. We’re not going to have citrus red number two and orange B. There are actually eight… Harmful dies that will soon be phased out of the U.S. food supply. I wonder if they’re going to protest about that. I think there’s going to be a march on Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’ ‘s office. Maybe the left will get aggravated about that as well. Welcome aboard. Man, oh man. Just so much to cover today. Again, a breaking. There was a time when I used to have to do show prep. Those days are gone. Just open up X. Go to social media. Turn on anything for five minutes and you’re ready to roll. Bill Mellugian is reporting a bombshell story over at Fox News, how the state of California freed an illegal alien, an illegal immigrant, who had been convicted in not one but two DUI deaths. It’s why the Democrats are losing big time by doubling down on this embrace of of illegal immigrants. There’s also news about the conclave, which is about to begin in Rome. Of course, the Pope will be buried, I guess, in the cathedral there, right? He’s going to be, I’m sure, joining a lot of the other pontiffs. A rather morbid picture was released yesterday of Pope Francis in his casket, and it’s really a tough picture because the whole left side of his face is purple. Looks like he was badly bruised, and look, I don’t want to get too morbid, but I know a lot of people were deeply offended by the release of that picture, and I get it. I mean, you don’t want to really see a man, an important world leader like that, in that condition, in that state. And I just, I have to admit, I’m intrigued by things like this. I’m sure we have undertakers and funeral home personnel who listen and watch the show. Surely there’s a way to cover that up, isn’t there? But maybe they don’t put, like, makeup on… the body of a pope. Maybe there’s some Catholic church prohibition. I don’t really want to play it, Christian. I don’t think we ought to post it on Salem News Channel because it’s just very morbid, you know? And I don’t understand that. And on social media they were saying, well, online the explanation was It’s a form of like, not rigor mortis, but I think, is it liver mortis? Where it’s a physiological condition when you die and your blood kind of pools in one side of your body or your face. And the Pope has the whole left side of his face just completely, it looks like he was in an accident or he fell. And I just kept thinking, and this is a… I mean, I might as well throw it out there to you. I don’t want to offend anybody here with this question. Can’t they cover that up? Can’t they put makeup over that? Isn’t there a way to… Because he looks… Let me be honest here. Really, really bad. I mean, he was just alive a couple of days ago meeting with J.D. Vance. He didn’t have all that bruising on his face. It had to be… a condition of his passing, and maybe some physical process that happens to the body. Were you offended by that picture? Have you seen it? And again, we’re going to make an editorial decision not to post it on Salem News Channel. So Christian, let’s not post that picture, because let’s face it, whatever you think of his reign as pontiff, You know, presiding over well over a billion Catholics worldwide. Plenty of people loved him. He was beloved in many quarters, many circles. President Trump, of course, extended a lot of kind wishes. In fact, I think President Trump and Melania, the First Lady, are going to go to Rome for the funeral, if I’m not mistaken. But the term, Tracy says, is liver mortis, L-I-V-O-R. And it’s the pooling of blood. I don’t know if when he died he was on his side. I don’t know. But at the end of the day, that’s not something that I think. I mean, I wouldn’t want my family member. I wouldn’t want to look like that. I mean, I don’t know that I even want an open casket. I don’t even like thinking about things like this. My Denise always wanted to be cremated, so there was no – she didn’t like the idea of a casket and a viewing. It’s always – we’re so strange about the way we go through the ritual of death. You know, I mean, it’s like a normal thing to have somebody laying in a casket and you file by and you look at the body. And I always – my whole life I’ve always said to myself – I don’t want to remember that person that way. I never really go – I don’t know what the point is to go and look at the body. I never understand looking at the corpse and saying, oh, okay, well, she looks like she’s sleeping. Oh, doesn’t he look – no, he’s dead. And I want to remember that person full of life. I want to remember him smiling and laughing and talking and interacting. And it’s just a strange ritual we all do, I guess. Our whole culture celebrates death this way. But let me just ask you, were you offended by seeing that picture of the Pope laying in the casket with the whole side of his face all purple and blue and black and all looked like bruising? Not a good look, I don’t know. No. Maybe there’s no embalming with the Pope. Somebody just texted me from Virginia. John Paul II was not embalmed. But I don’t know that embalming has anything to do with it. Because, look, I work in a profession where I’ve had to have powder on my face for years. Makeup can work wonders, even for men, even for ugly guys like me. You get a little powder and you get some pancake or whatever you call it, some CoverGirl or Max Factor, and it cures a lot of ailments. You know, it fixes a lot of… a lot of problems I remember when I was at Fox and one morning I guest hosted Fox and Friends and one of the co-hosts I’ll never mention her by name but it was a beautiful woman and she was absolutely unrecognizable without makeup and it was four in the morning we all got to the studios and you know it was before hair and makeup you know and there she was and I thought who is that and then when she got made up I’m like oh yeah she’s pretty It’s really, really odd how makeup can change anybody’s appearance. And it just seems to me, and I hope you’re not taking this disrespectfully. I don’t mean disrespect. But it seems to me that a little makeup would have gone a long way in the case of Pope Francis. Hey, let’s talk a little bit about it. 1-800-655-MIKE. Here in the upstate of South Carolina for the next few days. We’re in the Relief Factor studios, as always. We’ve got a lot of breaking news on a busy Wednesday. And, of course, the Pope’s passing is a huge, huge story. Talking to Stephen Moore today about Trump’s tariffs and the economic uncertainty in our country. But let’s start with the issue of Pope Francis today. with the picture of him laying in the casket and the whole side of his face looking very discolored and bruised and damaged. I don’t know what that’s about. And I can’t imagine not putting some makeup on him to try to make him look a little bit like he did when he was alive. Is that wrong of me to wonder about that? 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453, call or text. However you get here, get here. We want to put your voice front and center on The Mike Gallagher Show. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I’ve got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You’ve seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don’t want to do this. 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What bothers me more than that is a U.S. senator traveled all over on a taxpayer dime to meet with an MS-13 gang member, public safety threat terrorist. In the meantime, the day before he traveled, an illegal alien was arrested for murder, released to the streets rather than honoring an ICE detainer in his very own state.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here’s Mike.
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Don’t look now, but more good news from the stock market. U.S. stocks extended their gains today so far after President Trump. said he has no intention of firing the Fed chair, Jerome Powell. He also indicated he sees a deal coming with China. Let’s listen to what the president said about doing a deal with China.
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You said you’re ultimately going to make a deal with China. But where do things stand right now? Have you talked to him? I think my relationship is going to be a flaw.
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My relationship with President Xi is great. It’s been great for a long time. We’ve had a very good relationship. And I think we’ll make a deal with China. If we don’t make a deal, we’ll set it. We’ll just set the number. I think they’ll want to be a part of the United States. We’re doing great. This is the golden age, as Paul said. We’re talking about the golden age. There will never be a time like this, in my opinion. And China wants to be a part of that, too.
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average gained 757 points after surging 1,016 points the day before, breaking a losing streak. There is one guy I’ve got to talk to about any of this, and I’ve been jealous because I’ve seen him popping up all over TV and radio everywhere. frequent lecturer to audiences around the world on U.S. economic and financial and political issues. He advised President Trump in the 2016 campaign. Economist, author, Stephen Moore, who joins us here on the Mike Gallagher Show. You know, I’m going to be with you in Savannah, Stephen, for the Big Job Creators Network Summit. Tracy’s been trying to track you down for two weeks. She said, I can’t get him. I can’t get him. He’s busy over here. He’s doing TV. He’s doing this show. So you’re the man of the hour, Stephen.
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Well, Mike, great to be with you. I always want to do your show. You’re one of my heroes as well. Look, I’m feeling better about things, no question about it. This has been a turbulent month for the stock market, no question about it. This is a strategy that Trump has had in mind for a long time. By the way, you and I have known each other a long time. I’m more of a free trade guy than Donald Trump is, but I’ve been really honored to work with him over the years. And If this strategy works, and I think it will, I think at the end of the day we’re going to have freer and fairer trade. I think a lot of these countries are going to stop ripping us off and taking advantage of us, especially China. And then we get the tax cut done, Mike. Those two things, I think you’re going to see the biggest bull market expansion you ever saw.
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I want to ask you about, there’s so much I want to drill down with you about in terms of the interest rates and the Fed and Jerome Powell. But you mentioned something that got me thinking about the way establishment folks, and I don’t say that as a pejorative. I mean, I’ve got friends who are establishment. Hugh Hewitt is a good friend of mine. He’s an establishment guy. He’s an inside the beltway guy. You know, there are establishment Republicans who don’t, have the stomach, it seems, for they’re a little queasy about going in this direction. As you said, you’ve been a free trade guy. Do you see people in your circle sort of coming around as you have to the Trump way of doing things? Or is there still a kind of a staunch resistance to the path that Trump is trying to take?
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Well, I can really only speak for myself. And, you know, I’ve been a doubting Thomas to some of these policies. But and, you know, I have a very good personal relationship with Donald Trump. I’ve advised him over. He always gets out of here. He says there’s more. He’s a great economist, but he doesn’t agree with me on tariffs. And I say, no, Mr. President, I don’t. But, you know. Who am I to doubt this guy? He’s the best negotiator I’ve ever met in my life, Mike. And he understands the heart of the deal. And I think what we want to see, I’m trying to figure out kind of the overall strategy. Trump holds his cards close to his vest. But I think that the idea here is to really isolate the bad actor in the economy, what I call the new evil empire, which is China. And what Trump is trying to do strategically, and you can tell me if you agree or not, I’m not 100% sure of this, but I think he wants to unite the rest of the world against China the way we probably should have done in the 1930s against Japan and Germany. and force them to behave themselves. I mean, Trump is right. They lie, they cheat, they steal, they’re building up their military in a very aggressive, dangerous way. And if we can do that, it’s both an economic and foreign policy and national security triumph.
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Well, of course I agree with you because I truly believe that I think that what Trump wants to do is make China more like Japan. As you said, there’s a strategy here because, you know, you hear his constant refrain. These guys are taking advantage of us. They’re ripping America off. These are all one-sided deals. And, Stephen, to be clear, this tariff strategy is nothing new for Donald Trump. He’s been preaching this for years and years. But it feels like in 2025, now it’s Trump’s tariffs on steroids.
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Yeah. So here’s the thing that annoys me about the media coverage of all this, that even if you’re somebody who has doubts about Trump’s terror strategy, I’m still a little queasy about it, as you can tell. Have you noticed, like, Jerome Powell and the media, they never talk about all the other amazing things Trump is doing, all of which are extremely good for the U.S. economy, producing more American energy, unleashing our energy power. How about the fact that he’s got Doge that’s identifying hundreds of billions of dollars of waste in our government? How about the fact that he wants to do this big, beautiful tax bill, which, you know, Larry Kudlow and I wrote the very first version of that back I don’t know, eight years ago. It’s been a huge success. How about the fact that in 90 days he’s gotten the border entirely secure? Nobody talks about those things that are so good for the economy, and I find that to be unfair and unbalanced.
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You know, I get sickened at the way the media refuses to ever lift up America, all under the guise of opposing Donald Trump. You’re right. I mean, he lists all the trillions of dollars that are being injected into the United States economy. He went through the list the other day of Apple, and you look at Tesla with its brand-new Starlink stuff in Texas and all these exciting things that are happening. They never give him credit for that, ever, ever, ever.
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You know what? You know what else they don’t give him credit for is, you know, whether you’re a free trade guy like me or more of a tariff guy like Trump, what he is saying is absolutely true, Mike. These other countries have tariffs much higher than we do. And all he’s saying is let’s have a level playing field. And think about this. If he’s able to get all these other countries to reduce their tariffs, then Milton Friedman is probably rolling over his grave in joy that we’ve got lower tariffs all over the world. And that will lead to actually freer and fairer trade. It will save American jobs. We’re the most competitive country in the world. We have the greatest entrepreneurs. We have the greatest workers. We have the, you know, the greatest environment for growth. So we can we will prosper under that kind of environment that Trump is trying to build.
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Visiting with Stephen Moore, of course, economist, author, senior visiting fellow in economics at the Heritage Foundation. author of many books, including his latest, The Trump Economic Miracle and the Plan to Unleash Prosperity Again. You mentioned Jerome Powell, Stephen. Let’s talk about President Trump’s assertion that he has no intention of firing Jerome Powell. But Powell is definitely standing up to Trump because President Trump keeps asking, begging, pleading, demanding that they lower interest rates. They don’t seem to be budging.
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So, you know, it’s interesting because, first of all, when Jerome Powell made his comments, what was that, about a week ago? I think it was exactly a week ago on the economy. I thought it was the most outrageous speech I’ve heard from a Fed chairman in the 40 years I’ve been covering this. I’ve been in this game a long time, Mike, as you know. And the Federal Reserve chairman went out and attacked the newly elected president and attacked his policies in an extremely aggressive and partisan way. By the way, Mike, do you recall Jerome Powell ever giving a talk like that? never never never it’s like he never did that yeah so my my point is that at that time i wrote in our hotline i said it’s time to fire this guy but i have to say i i changed my mind on that not because i have a high opinion of powell i think he’s been a disaster personally he’s the one who allowed the inflation rate to go up to nearly 10 percent annually when Biden was president. The reason I did is, given the turmoil in the market, I just think it would have been the wrong time to do this. And I think Trump has made the right decision. What’s going to happen, I’m going to tell you exactly what’s going to happen, Mike. One year from now, when Jerome Powell’s term is up, he’s gone. He’s out of there. Trump does not like Powell at all. And I think he’s going to replace him with somebody like an Arthur Laffer or a Steve Forbes or or maybe of Kevin Wurst, somebody who believes in growth, believes in Trumponomics, and that was the right decision to make.
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I’ve got to ask you a personal question, if you don’t mind. And you’re right. I’ve interviewed you for years, known you for a long time, and I have enormous respect for you. I’m intrigued by your journey in terms of how, like you said, you’re a free trade guy. You have not been a real big cheerleader on this aggressive tariffs plan of President Trump. Stephen, what won you over? What changed your viewpoint? Or what was it that made you, you know… be more open to the Trump approach.
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Well, I am still queasy about this. You know, I’m still nervous about it. So I want to be clear about that. And I think, you know, we’re going to still have some rough days ahead on the stock market as this thing goes through its gyrations. But I think what changed my opinion was Trump himself, that the guy is such a master negotiator. He’s always, you know, the one thing I found out about him is, you know, the left always underestimates how smart this guy is. You know, he is an extremely intelligent, brilliant negotiator. I watched him up front, and he’s going to win. That’s why I think he’s going to win. I think it’s going to come out okay.
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What about you? It’s just not smart to bet against him. I think you’re right, and I’ve gone through that same journey. I think a lot of people in our audience have, too, where we say, wait a minute, where is he coming from on this? I don’t agree. I don’t agree. I’m going to push back. I’m going to push back. And then he winds up winning, and you say, wait a minute, he was right. He was right all along. I mean, I love that. And I love seeing sides of him. Look, the Democrat governor of Pennsylvania revealed yesterday that President Trump called him to ask how he and his family were doing after that horrible arson attack on the governor’s mansion. And Shapiro told reporters, hey, I appreciate it that he called me. He said I spoke to him. He said he he said of Donald Trump, he was very gracious. He asked how my wife and kids were doing. We talked for a while about what transpired. He said, I’m not going to get into our private conversation, but here he is giving credit to a guy that the left wants to paint as Adolf Hitler. I mean, Larry David, the well-known comedian, wrote an op-ed in the New York Times, Dinner with Adolf. which was intended to mock Bill Maher for acknowledging that Trump’s in person a good guy and they can’t believe it.
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So, yeah, can I tell you a quick personal story that amplifies what you just said, Mike? Sure. OK, so you may recall that back in 2018. Donald Trump called, asked me to be on the Federal Reserve Board as a member of the Federal Reserve Board. And, you know, frankly, I wasn’t that wasn’t my dream job. But if the president calls you just if he called you, your patriotic duty is to serve serve the country and serve the president. So I said, sure, I’d be happy to serve on that. Anyway, so what happened is, is you may or may not recall, you know, all of a sudden all the attack dogs were against me. And look, I am I am you know, if you open up my closet, I’ve got a lot of skeletons. And, you know, they had five full time reporters. going, I mean, if you believed everything in the New York Times, you’d think I hate, you know, blacks and women and kittens. Right. Anyway, so it was a very tough thing. And I called President Trump and I said, look, this is getting bad and I don’t want to embarrass you. I said, you know, maybe I should drop out. And almost any other president at that point would have said, yes, Steve, you know, you should probably withdraw. But you know what Trump said? No, I want you to stay in the fight. And he said, I’m buying you 100 percent. And so then two weeks later, it got even worse. And and I call him up. I say, maybe you should drop out. He said, no, I don’t want you to, Steve. I want you to continue to fight. And then finally, when I had to withdraw because it just was clear I didn’t have the Senate votes, I was feeling kind of bad about things. And I called him and I said, I just, you know, the writing’s on the wall. And and, you know, for about 24 hours, I just felt kind of miserable about things. And, you know, who called me that night? Donald Trump. Yeah, he calls me up. Steve, I’m so proud of you. He said, you enhanced your reputation. And it just meant the world to me. And that’s the kind of guy he is. If you are loyal to him, he will be loyal to you. And I don’t think that would have happened under any other brand. I love Ronald Reagan. I was able to serve. for him as to, well, but in most instances, they would have thrown me over the side of the boat. I would have probably done that if I had been president, but not Donald Trump. And you know why, Mike? I’ve been thinking a lot about why he did that, because nobody has suffered from more unfair attacks than Donald J. Trump.
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You know, Steve, there’s been so much written about how cancel culture has sort of gone away, that the pendulum has shifted, the tide has turned, and a lot of it, I believe, is set by Trump, because let’s face it, Look at Pete Hegseth. It’s the same thing with Pete Hegseth. He’s standing by Pete Hegseth. I don’t think Pete Hegseth is going anywhere. Other presidents would say, oh, there’s some heat here. Let me throw you to the curb. Not Donald Trump. He’s a different sort. It’s a new day. Dare I say it, it’s a golden era. I can’t wait to see you in Savannah, one of my favorite cities, May 1st and 2nd.
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Me too.
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It’s the Job Creators Network, the Freedom Fighters Summit, and everybody who’s invited to join us, you can go to jcn2025summit.com to get your tickets. Steve, we’ll see you there. Safe travels. Great to have you on the program. Keep fighting the good fight, and I’ll see you in a couple weeks.
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Okay. Take care, Mike. Thanks for having me.
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You bet. The great Stephen Moore joining us, an economist, our go-to, and I’m glad we were able to track him down and get him on the show. And again, that Job Creators Network Freedom Fighters Summit is coming up May 1st and May 2nd in Savannah, Georgia. If you’re an entrepreneur, you’re not going to want to miss this event. Go to jcn2025summit.com for tickets. jcn2025summit.com. Portions of our show brought to you by MyPillow and Big Deal. Two sales in one. First, they’re having a closeout sale on the percale bedsheets. Any size, any color, $25. You can get Queens, Kings, Split Kings, California Kings, any size, any color, $25. It’s a crazy sale from MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher Special Square. The second sale, Mike Lindell has introduced a brand new energy drink called Rev7. It’s a premium energy drink that’s good for you. It tastes great, gives you energy all day. I sampled it yesterday for the first time. It is delicious. No sugar, no caffeine. Rev7 is so special because it’s powered with a premium nootropic that helps fuel your mind. MyPillow is so confident you’re going to love Rev7 that for a limited time you can try their introductory three-pack absolutely free. Now, these offers aren’t going to last long. So go to MyPillow.com. Use the promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Sing along with me. For the best night’s sleep in the whole wide world, visit MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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A couple of headlines that ought to catch every American’s attention today. Illegal immigrant convicted of killing teenagers in high-speed DUI crash to be released early. Years early, to be exact. Here’s another one. An illegal immigrant in Maryland arrested after a woman’s body was found in the woods. 24-year-old Kesey Robinson Alexei Baraha Rosa was charged with murder and the killing of 23-year-old lesbian Mileth Ramirez Guerra. I saw a headline on the studio walking in just a moment ago. I think it was on Fox News. Democrats divided over support for the MS-13 gang member. I mean, this is like real world. This is supposed to be real life. Democrats are divided over whether or not to back an MS-13 gang member from El Salvador. There’s a debate about that, don’t you know? Anybody debating the status of the MS-13 gang member within the Republican Party? Do we have any Republicans pushing back against deporting illegals who are gang members? Is this really a heavy lift? Is it hard to say it’s a good idea to kick illegal immigrants who are violent, dangerous gang members out of the country? Due process. Due process. Due process. Laura Ingraham battled Congresswoman Yasmin Ansari, who’s a Democrat from Arizona, last night on Fox News Channel. This was fairly amusing to watch. Every American should be concerned about this.
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Congresswoman, I know you can’t mean that, and I’m not trying to play gotcha here. I know you don’t mean that American citizens are distractions.
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No, victims aren’t changing the subject. Today, we are here to talk about the lack of due process for an individual who is illegally deported from this country. That is the subject of any other act of violence.
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Congresswoman, I’ve given you just so everyone understands. Yeah, well, the violence committed by illegal immigrants against innocent Americans and legal immigrants has been appalling. It is devastating.
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Any violence, any violence against anyone in this country is appalling.
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And I wish there was one moment where Democrats acted like they cared about that. Well, apparently it’s all collateral damage to Democrats who sat by the open border. Right now we are worried about the constitutional crisis. Oh, the Constitution.
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We are worried about the constitutional crisis and the lack of this president following the Supreme Court. I’m sure you believe in the Supreme Court.
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Congresswoman, were you worried when… I know this is the progressive way of dealing with interviews. I’m not trying to talk over you. I’m actually trying to get a question answered. I asked you a simple question. What process is due… Mr. Abrego Garcia in the United States that you believe he has not received or could receive if he’s undeported, which is the Democrats’ priority, undeport him, bring him back here. What process do you want him to receive that would make you happy and feel good? Could he ever be deported?
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It’s very clear. The Supreme Court says return him. And in court, we can have a discussion about what action should be taken. Laura, this administration admitted they made a mistake. He doesn’t matter to you. This administration admitted that they made a mistake in deporting Mr. Garcia.
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I don’t think he matters to you.
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This is a political story. Unfortunately, you’re not sticking to the facts of the case, which is that Donald Trump admitted that he made a mistake.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ve been very clear on the facts. Well, Congresswoman, if you want to come on the show, we’d love to have you back. So there’s no due process there. I believe in the Supreme Court. But you don’t. All right. But but if he’s I will just say this on the show and you can come back. Just wait. Take a breath. If he comes back, let’s say he is undeported and the Democrats happy about that. If he’s undeported, he will be deported from the United States. That will make you miserable. Correct. That will that’ll set off a whole new firestorm. All because what you care about is an illegal immigrants rights to be here ad infinitum.
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This is a union member, a person with a U.S. citizen wife. This is a person who the Supreme Court has said needs to be facilitated back to the United States. That’s a fact.
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We got it. We got it. You will never support the deportation of this individual. That is the truth.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, she does ask, Laura asks a really intriguing question. If they bring Kilmar back, who’s become this Mother Teresa for the Democrats, he’s this heroic, saintly figure. And look, you know his story by now with the wife beating and the car full of migrants in the trunk and everything else. The MS-13 gang tattoos all over his hands. If they bring him back and then we kick him out again, what are the Democrats going to do then? I stood in New York City Saturday morning on Madison Avenue. I’ve got the video to prove it. You don’t believe me? Christian, play the video of the protest that I saw on behalf of illegal immigrants. Thousands and thousands of New Yorkers. I mean, it was mostly older white people. Not a lot of black people. Very few people of color, interestingly enough. But if you’re watching the Salem News Channel right now, you’re seeing the sign. We are all Kilmar. Great job, Christian, freeze-framing that. You see the sign right now at Salem News Channel? SNC.TV. We are all Kilmar. And I wanted to stop the lady. If I was half the man I used to be, I would have gone up to her and said, Lady? You may be an MS-13 gang member who beats his wife. I’m not. We are all Kilmar. Now, that was a sign, one of many like that, incidentally, at this protest march in New York City, where thousands and thousands of men, women, children, they had upside-down flags, they had Kilmar signs, they had signs for every pet peeve they’ve got against the Trump administration. And look, I’m going to tell you flat out, it was as far as the eye could see. There’s a lot of people right now who have swallowed every drop of the Kool-Aid. So, simple question for you. What are they going to do if they bring Kilmar back and they deport him again? Are they going to start it up all over again? Laura Ingraham is absolutely correct. They don’t care about Kilmar Obrego Garcia. They don’t care about due process. Because if they cared about due process, that would have come up. post-January 6th, all they care about is keeping as many illegals as possible in the United States for as long as possible. That’s all it is for the Democrats. 800-655-MIKE. Welcome in. We’re in the upstate of South Carolina in the beautiful state-of-the-art studios at 98.9 WORD, the voice of the Carolinas. Joey Hudson and I are hanging out with our Ph.D. weight loss friends later today. Going to be shooting a TV commercial, as a matter of fact. That’ll be fun. And then from here, we’re up to Minnesota for our big MyPillow celebration on Monday. Then off to Savannah, Georgia for the Job Creators Network Freedom Fighters Summit. We’ve got a lot going on. It’s a busy time. And great to be with you each and every day here on the Mike Gallagher Show. How do you reach us? 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453.
SPEAKER 06 :
Mike Gallagher.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know we’ve got a lot of callers I want to bring into this conversation about the mass deportation and the love affair that Democrats have with Kilmar, the MS-13 gang member. But I’ve got to play a Gavin Newsom clip. I’m telling you, keep an eye on this guy because this guy is a slippery, slippery eel. He wants so badly to be the next president of the United States. And even he can read the tea leaves. Now, this guy is a far-left, awful, awful governor, one of the worst in America. But check out what he said last night on CNN about the case of the MS-13 gang member, Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is the distraction of the day, the art of distraction. It’s a tough case because people are really, are they defending MSR 13? Are they defending, you know, someone who’s out of sight, out of mind in El Salvador? It’s exactly the debate they want because they don’t want this debate on the tariffs. They don’t want to be accountable to the markets today. They want to have this conversation. Don’t get distracted by distractions.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, wait a minute. I’m looking at the stock market and it’s soaring today. Don’t be distracted. What, by the stock market? Governor hair gel? Really? Stock market? Doing pretty well today. Trump says he’s not going to fire the Fed chair. Trump’s pointing out the trillions and trillions of dollars of money that’s pouring into the United States with manufacturing jobs. Auto industry is ecstatic. Oh, yeah, yeah. It’s a distraction. No, it’s not a distraction. It’s something that ought to be on the hearts and minds and lips of every single American. How can one of our major political parties embrace a dangerous, violent gang member? Mark is in Connecticut. 800-655-MIKE, our toll-free number. Hey, Mark, thanks for joining us. Welcome back. How are you?
SPEAKER 15 :
Hi, Mike. How are you? Good, good. What’s up? To me, like, you know, everybody was going crazy. They wanted to get Trump in office. Things were going to change. It doesn’t feel like anything has changed. It feels like we have the House, we have the Senate, we have the White House. What’s different? It seems like we’re fighting harder now to get things done. And honestly, it doesn’t seem like anything’s getting done.
SPEAKER 08 :
If nothing’s getting done, why are thousands of people taking to the streets of America to protest the things that are getting done? What in the world are you talking about? How can you sit there and say nothing is being changed? What do you mean? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER 15 :
Give me an example.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, give me an example.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, everything. I mean, with all we hear about, yeah, there’s protesting going on. I get that. But that’s because of one guy. Mark, I’m not understanding.
SPEAKER 08 :
You don’t think that Donald Trump is delivering a complete 180-degree sea change from what we had in the prior administration? You don’t see – have you heard about the border crossings? Let me just – and I know you’re a regular caller and you like to hear your voice on the radio, and I appreciate that. But have you heard about – Have you heard about the border crossings and what what what can you tell me about what the border crossings are today compared to the border crossings of three or four years or two years ago?
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right. You’re 100 percent right with that. It’s just I’m only calling because it just I’m so frustrated with. Well, don’t be.
SPEAKER 08 :
Don’t be. Don’t be frustrated. Don’t be negative. You know, I mean, look at let’s listen. Cheer up. Let’s listen to the president a little bit. Maybe you just need a little burst of optimism. I know you’ve called before and you’re frustrated and you’re you get we all we all are apprehensive. I get it. Just check out what the president said. Let’s start with tariffs.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think that everyone’s going to do well in this country because of tariffs. We have seven trillion dollars of investment already. You can go back many years and for a whole year they haven’t had anywhere near that. Mostly they would be well under a trillion dollars of investment. And we’ve got seven trillion. We really started. Five weeks ago. And in just a few weeks, literally, we have $7 trillion, which is a record for a year. There’s never been a year with that much. And that’s coming in, I think, for two reasons. It’s coming because of an election that people liked, and it’s coming in because of tariffs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let’s move on. How about China? Let’s listen to what the president said about making a deal with our trade adversary, China.
SPEAKER 03 :
You said you’re ultimately going to make a deal with China, but where do things stand right now?
SPEAKER 10 :
I think my relationship with President Xi is great. It’s been great for a long time. We’ve had a very good relationship, and I think we’ll make a deal with China. If we don’t make a deal, we’ll set it. We’ll just set the number. I think they’ll want to be a part of the United States. We’re doing great. This is the golden age, as Paul said. We’re talking about the golden age. There will never be a time like this, in my opinion. And China wants to be a part of that, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, instead of getting frustrated over the media hysteria, and incidentally, it’s not even that bad. I would add, P.S., things aren’t even as… frantic as they were the first term. Remember the first term, the White House press briefings and all the screaming and the screeching and the hysteria? And of course, we had COVID. We had the pandemic. It’s not even that bad now. The only thing that’s bad is the media and the Trump haters who are trying to stop his agenda. And it’s coming at a breathless pace. That’s why, frankly, the last caller didn’t make any sense. There’s a lot to be optimistic about, a lot to be excited about, and a lot of change underway. How can you get negative with people like Charlie Kirk around? Where do you hear about the 70-year-old who challenged Charlie to a fist fight? I’ve got that coming up for you.
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SPEAKER 13 :
Mike Gallagher. Every day, Mike visits with Mark Davis. Morning host on 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas. Here’s today’s M&M experience.
SPEAKER 07 :
So Judy Garland born 1922. She’s like 17. How old was Dorothy? What would you say when you’re watching Wizard of Oz, how old is Dorothy? Do you think?
SPEAKER 1 :
14, 15?
SPEAKER 01 :
I would think so.
SPEAKER 07 :
Everybody always plays older sort of than they are. And so I think Shirley Temple at 11, or probably actually 10 when they were filming that thing, would have still been too young, too cute, too dimply. It certainly worked out for her. It all worked out for her. I think it worked out well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Things didn’t end too well for Judy Garland, tragically.
SPEAKER 07 :
She did not live to the ripe old age that Shirley Temple did, to be sure. Hey, can I start with something tiny and let’s build? Because I just want your take on this. I’m so sorry. It’s so weird. This is like the Tom Brady watch. where you had a $175,000 watch, right? Right. And it’s like, your money, God bless you, I’ll never say, you’ll never hear me say somebody has too much money. You’ll never hear me comment on what people do with their own money. But on that occasion, it’s like, dude, there’s some great $25,000 watches out there. I mean, is it just a bit? Here’s where I’m going. Heard about Kristi Noem getting robbed at the restaurant?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yeah. And she interviewed the guy, and then she talked to the guy that robbed her, right? What? What? Yeah, she sat down with the guy, because they arrested him, and then she put him on, I think, a TV set somewhere and interviewed him. Oh, my. Well, that’s more interesting than the point I was going to make. Haven’t you heard? But that was scarcely noticed. But I saw that on social media. What? And it said, Christine Noem talks to the guy who robbed her. And I thought, well, that’s a pretty, pardon my French, badass thing to do.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it was caught on… For getting robbed. I haven’t…
SPEAKER 08 :
Maybe, maybe, am I hallucinating?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I think you’re high for the second straight day. Could be. No, I was right yesterday. Actually, you kind of were. But no, my whole thing, and again, what are you doing with $3,000 in your purse? That’s just, it’s just not smart. I mean, that’s all. What? What are you doing with $3,000 in your purse? Why not? I think she found out why not, didn’t she?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I guess. So we’re all supposed to not carry money now because we’re afraid we’re going to get robbed?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, this is from a guy who’s had the same $40 in his front wallet since, you know, November.
SPEAKER 08 :
I had a boss, a mentor, many, many years ago. There was a little book that I used to give to people for Christmas gifts called Life’s Little Instruction Book.
SPEAKER 07 :
Do you remember that book? I’ve heard of it.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was years ago, and it used to be really popular. It was called Life’s Little Instruction Book, and it had, like, tips— Like things, little weird things like when you rent a car, when you’re traveling, get a luxury car, treat yourself, you know, because there are little things like that that you wouldn’t think of normally. But and one of those life little life’s lessons I learned from Greg Anderson, who was one of my first bosses. and mentors. He was the best man at my wedding. I still stay in touch with him. He was one of my early advocates. And he gave me a lot of life lessons. And one of his lessons, you ready? Carry heavy. Carry heavy. Carry lots of cash in your pocket. Have money with you at all times. Now, admittedly, that was 30 years ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
And there’s a point in which there is wisdom. I think when traveling, especially maybe some remoter locations, good idea to have some cash on you because you never can be so sure of the credit card being accepted. So sure, I can absolutely see the wisdom of that.
SPEAKER 08 :
By the way, do you have a stash at home, like in a safe? Oh, good Lord. Because I don’t, and I had a friend call me out on this a couple weeks ago.
SPEAKER 07 :
In this era where every other person is getting swatted or worse, no, I do not. No money in Marshall. No, absolutely not. Don’t look at the safe on the third floor behind the Monet picture. In my hovel, you will not find cash. You know what else you won’t find? Any credible evidence that Kristi Noem interviewed the person who stole her purse. What are you reading? I swear I saw that on X the other night. Okay, here’s the deal. Post. Text me if you see it. You know what I’m talking about. 800-655-MIKE. I’m going to tell you what I just did. And doggone it, I know we’re going to be kneeling before our robot overlords within months. But I just did the quickest AI search. You use the grok? The grok thing on Twitter. You know what all it does is? It reads 5,000 websites and then writes you a little executive summary. Oh, it’s wonderful. In about a half a second. In two seconds, you get it. So here it is. So here you go. Posts on X from April 22nd, 2025. mentioned Noam interviewing a homeless vagrant suspected of the theft, but these claims are unverified and appear to originate from unconfirmed social media sources.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, okay, so it was a social media plot.
SPEAKER 07 :
So he didn’t totally make it up.
SPEAKER 08 :
Hey, you talked about our overlords. One of the things I want to cover on the show today, and we’ve got good things planned. Stephen Moore is going to finally come join us. I love the guy, appreciate him, and he’s been making the rounds, and we’re going to talk to him about tariffs, about the economy, about the uncertainty. You know, I’ve got a property on the market, In Florida, and I don’t want to get too much into the details of me selling this condo, but I am, and for good reason. There are a lot of good things happening in my life, and I’m just kind of preparing for the next chapter. And of all times, to put a condo on the market in Florida, this is not the time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Values are not popping? No. Well, there’s just no buyers. There’s more inventory than buyers. Is it momentary? Is it a big dip that was going on, or is it just tariff paralysis?
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s uncertainty paralysis, I think. The realtors theorize it’s just people are not sure what’s going to happen next. They don’t want to part with their money, unless there’s a cash buyer, and there might be that comes along. But look, I’ve got the St. Joseph statue buried upside down in a potted plant by the front door.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because you don’t have a yard. They’re on the 30th floor.
SPEAKER 08 :
So far, he’s not working, but I’m going to tap him on the head. But anyway.
SPEAKER 07 :
Can the statue get you an offer over market value? I’ll take that market.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ll take that list. That listing price, I’ll be happy. But here’s what I wanted to ask you about. I saw a story in Axios today in Texas, and you probably know this story already. Are you ready for driverless trucks on the highways?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. Well, I’m not ready for driverless anything. I’m still terrified by the fact that you got into a driverless cab. Greatest thing I’ve ever done in my life. I know, and I would probably do it just for the thrill. That would scare me more than going into space on the Blue Origin cab.
SPEAKER 08 :
And everybody who does those Waymo cars, and they’re expanding, they’ll come to Dallas-Fort Worth eventually, but they’re in Phoenix, they’re in Vegas, they’re in Los Angeles of all places. No. I did one in L.A. You did a driverless thing in L.A.? In Los Angeles.
SPEAKER 07 :
To get from where to where? From the airport to the hotel and back. And that thing got you off airport property without death. Flawless. Flawless. I know. For everybody new to the show, my fear of this is about 50% a bit. I’m just having some fun here. But the other 50% is the sincere knowledge that I will either die or the car that I’m in will kill someone.
SPEAKER 08 :
Because it opens up. I mean, it goes. It’ll keep up with the flow of traffic. It’ll go 50, 60. Yeah, but that’s a little scary. You’re right. That’s when you start thinking you kind of see your life flash before your eyes because he’s going to drive off the bridge. But it’s the coolest. Well, now they’re rolling out driverless semi-tractor trailers. But think about what this is going to look like in 30, 40, 50 years. Mark, we are phasing out people. Truck drivers, the prince of the road. You think about the backbone of the economy. I know. Men and women that are driving trucks, they’re going to get phased out. And it’s like taxi yellow cabs in New York versus Uber. There are very few yellow cabs anymore. Uber has decimated the yellow cab industry.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m sure it’s been a big bite. And you’ve been in New York. You’re there every third weekend. It’s been a few months for me. Streets were still filled with cabs. Not as many. It’s not like it was. I’m sure it’s not, which leads me to my thought about the trucks. We extrapolate out and go, well, there’ll be no more human drivers. I don’t know. I mean, it’s going to take a while. It’ll take a while. Will it be like elevator operators where there’s simply just no more need for humans to do that? Someday. Someday.
SPEAKER 08 :
We probably won’t be here to see it, but someday I’ll bet our kids or our grandkids are going to live in that kind of a world.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what the futurists say, especially the people who are neck deep in AI stuff and the Google… Deep Mind or whatever that thing is called. They featured that guy on last week’s 60 Minutes. Pretty fascinating. And they all have a certain optimism. Elon Musk has the most optimistic view of all, and that is that the marketplace that sort of used my elevator operator thing, that job went away. No more buggy whip manufacturing. But we came up with other stuff for people to do. And I know truck drivers, hello, how many millions of those are there? But will there just be other things that humans will need to do in creating this tech world that we’ll be involved with? And that is their wish. That is their hope. And it certainly is mine, too.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let’s hope they leave talk show hosts alone.
SPEAKER 07 :
I hope they don’t come up with AI talk show. No AI ever born can have the ridiculous sandboxed on. Caller number three, I disagree with you. I’m sorry. I do. Hello. How would yesterday have been if it were like, hey, I would have been, Mike, I think you are mistaken in your thought that the five punted on the Pope.
SPEAKER 08 :
Speaking of the Pope, do you see the picture of him in the casket?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, stop it. I know. Do they not have any pancake makeup at the Vatican? How do you not put makeup on the poor guy? Hey, let’s do open casket and, you know, okay. What the heck? I mean, he’s the pope.
SPEAKER 08 :
I know, I know. Maybe there’s a papal rule against makeup. Kind of let it go? I don’t know. That’s the strangest thing. And, of course, the laws of speculation was that he fell because the whole left side of his face is purple. And it’s, you know, a little morbid. I mean, look, I get excited enough about when I went to the Vatican, there’s somewhere, I forget which, maybe it’s, I can’t think of what cathedral, where the Pope from like 200 years ago is still on display under glass. What? Like the full linen? Really? Whoa. The body is still there, and he’s been preserved. And I’ve got this kind of morbid fascination with stuff like that. So there’s the picture. And a lot of people on social media are like, this is disrespectful. We don’t need to see his corpse.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t think that it is. I mean, listen, is it disrespectful if you go to a viewing and there’s Uncle Fred laying out there?
SPEAKER 08 :
I always think it’s awkward.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, you do. I know.
SPEAKER 08 :
I just think you stand there and, oh, she looks like she’s sleeping. No, she doesn’t.
SPEAKER 07 :
Doesn’t he look like himself?
SPEAKER 08 :
Who is he supposed to look like?
SPEAKER 07 :
Did you have one other… I interrupted you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I want to do a follow-up about… Because we were fascinated by the issue of why the Five didn’t cover the Pope’s passing at all on Monday’s show. And I got some input and everything. But I also did it as a topic yesterday. And a lot of people… I think this is probably true. It’s kind of a no-win topic on many levels. If you criticize him… because of his progressivism, then you risk alienating or offending a whole lot of Catholics who are mourning, who are understandably, you know, saddened about the passing of the pontiff. But if you don’t acknowledge, as you called it, the complicated legacy of the pope, then you’re not doing your job either. It’s a tough issue.
SPEAKER 07 :
It is tricky. So there is nothing special about me. Maybe a couple of things. But there’s truly nothing special about me. I have somehow effortlessly, and I do mean close to effortlessly. straddled that perfectly oh yeah i throw glory and honor to his service and the things that people loved about him you bet and and the annoyance of some of the south american leftist politics boom i just did it wow shocker and the notion that these quaffed millionaires at the five apparently lived in cowering fear of being criticized for bagging on the pope uh it’s like dude you know just and i love them love them love that show that that’s part of what was so weird is i think judge janine the only actual you know practicing catholic So maybe some reverence from her, some snark from Gutfeld and who knows what from Jesse would have been kind of interesting. And I think they somehow would have survived the day.
SPEAKER 08 :
There ought to be a book about the behind the scenes action at a show like The Five. Only after they’re all gone. Well, yeah, they’re not going to do it now. But you think about it because, remember, you mentioned Juan Williams yesterday. And as I read about it, Greg Gutfeld was like, either he goes or I go. So Juan was out the door. Now you’ve got Jessica Tarloff. I was talking to Peg Hudson yesterday in South Carolina. I’m in the upstate for the next few days in the studios here, 98.9 WORD. And Peg said the same thing unprompted. She said, I see Jessica. And I’m like, ugh, do I want to sit through the hour?
SPEAKER 07 :
suffering through jessica tarloff i don’t because because she has something she she doesn’t have harold ford jr who’s both likable and fairly reasonable a lot of the times the way democrats used to be jessica is wrong on virtually everything but she’s just a darling she’s just she has a likability i i can’t not like the woman and they clearly love her They do love her, but I wish I shared that. There’s goodwill and humor. But there’s a goodwill and humor in their interaction.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, you know.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s the strangest thing because I keep wanting to like her. Look, it’s how people feel about me.
SPEAKER 06 :
They want to like Gallagher, but they never can. There you go. They just never do.
SPEAKER 08 :
I love you every day. I love you, too. Happy Wednesday. Tuesday. Wednesday. If it’s Tuesday, if it’s Wednesday, it must be Greenville. Oh, boy. There you go.
SPEAKER 07 :
We’ll be coming up by that time.
SPEAKER 08 :
Did you hear about Monday? We’re going to be at MyPillow’s headquarters. Did I tell you about that yet?
SPEAKER 07 :
No. All right. Coming up this coming Monday?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. But wait until you hear why we’re going to Minnesota.
SPEAKER 07 :
Minnesota, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Shaska. We’re going to be in the warehouse. Right. In the world headquarters. We are celebrating MyPillow Day on the Mike Gallagher Show. More to come on that. That is so cool. Happy Wednesday. I love it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Happy. Well, it is now. Look at that. Just more reasons to look forward to Mike’s travels. And Michael, join you. And he’s from South Carolina today. And that will be today as soon as we’re done at 10 on 660 AM. The answer.
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