A heated road-rage shooting in Parker sets the stage for a gripping conversation between John Rush and Bill Anderson on https://ready-radio.com —an argument, a gun, and a deadly choice that could happen anywhere. Is any town truly safe anymore? What would you do if a routine drive suddenly spiraled out of control? They dive into the chaos of eyewitness confusion and then turn to the everyday habits that might save your life. Why avoid the center lane? How can a simple wave—or a smart “zipper merge”—keep tempers from exploding? From spotting aggressive drivers before trouble starts to leaving escape
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Now, here’s your survival guide for Ready Radio, John Rush. And we are ready. Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us on this fine Friday, September the 26th. It’s beautiful outside. Bill Anderson with me. Bill, how are you today? I’m doing well, John. Doing good. Survive all the weather we had earlier? Yeah, and then it’s, what, 80 today? Very nice day, actually. Beautiful day today. It’s going to be a beautiful weekend, so those of you that most everybody should have been out and about by now, but if not, get outside because it’s really nice out, Bill.
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Yep, got our last day of bear season tomorrow, so we’re going to. Go spend some time up in the mountains ourselves tomorrow.
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Very nice. Very nice. All right. What I want to start with today is some of you may have seen the news, may have not, but there was a incident that happened kind of down on your neck of the woods, Bill. Partly why I want to talk about it is this is really kind of in your area, and police are still investigating. There was a shooting that involved a couple of cars. I guess there was some sort of an accident or road rage or something along those lines, and A man told the officers that his only option was to shoot the other driver, which he did and killed him in the process. The problem, Bill, is he left the scene, went to his friend’s house, deposited the shell casings there. The police, of course, end up catching up to him, find where he’s at, find the shell casings, they arrest him. And it didn’t go very well for him, let’s just say that. And this particular individual has a little bit of history with… the law, so I’m not taking sides one way or the other, but what I thought we could do is walk through that whole scenario and what the proper things would be in light of what happened there, because that didn’t end up very well when it was all said and done.
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Yeah, it doesn’t sound like you made very good decisions all the way through, but before we start on that, you know, like you said, here in Parker, you know, and Parker’s considered a pretty safe area, and the point is I don’t think there’s any such thing as a safe area anymore, John. I think, you know, stuff can happen no matter where you are. I remember when Columbine, we were affected by Columbine. My brother-in-law was a senior in Columbine that year, and my in-laws live on a block where one of the One of the students that was shot and killed was across the street, and a couple of teachers lived on that block. And so it impacted, you know, our family quite a bit. And everyone kept saying, that stuff doesn’t happen here. I can’t believe it happened here. And, you know, we’re way beyond that, John. So before we kick that off, you know, people need to realize, you know, I don’t think there’s a safe, quote, safe area anymore. You know, stuff is just popping up all over the place.
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Right. And you know what? I can’t disagree with you on that. And we tend to think, and I don’t say this is a bad thing, Bill, but we tend to think that, yeah, the areas that we live in, the areas that we traverse, we tend to think that, oh, you know, things like that won’t happen around here. Well, it doesn’t really matter what part of town you’re in. And by the way, you could even be in small town USA, Bill, as you know. I mean, the reality is we live in an area whereby things can happen, period.
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Right, and there’s so much, you know, division in the world, and people are on edge with everything. I mean, look at, you know, leading up to this, and John, I don’t think it’s going to get any better, to be honest with you. I think people are going to get more tense, more trigger-happy, if you will, and I’m not taking that statement trigger-happy, you know, in context of a gun. I get you, I get you. They’re going to react, you know, and there is no more… conversations anymore you know um there’s there’s just sudden knee-jerk reaction to violence and and plus no matter where you are whether you’re in a small town or a safe town or whatever people are coming and going so you don’t know who’s coming and going into your neighborhood you know so
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Well, and some of this will dovetail into some of our conversation we might get to in the latter half of our program today, which is, you know, if something major happens. We saw a situation happen earlier in the week where Secret Service thwarted some individuals in New York City where that could have been a real disaster had that particular operation that these nefarious individuals were trying to accomplish, had that actually happened, that could have ended up very badly. We might get into that a little bit later because some of what we’re going to talk about right now could lean into that. But let’s talk. Okay. You know, people, a lot of people, not, you know, I’m guessing the majority of people that are listening to you and I, Bill, drive. And when you drive, things can happen. People can have altercations. You know, as you were stating a moment ago, we live in a day and age where people are on edge. Road rage, we read. consistently you know happening on a regular basis and you know you try your best to avoid those things but sometimes things just happen in this particular case i don’t know what led up to this i’m sure we’ll learn more as time goes by supposedly there were some you know eyewitnesses that saw some of this and actually in this case saw the man that had stopped actually go through the the window that was rolled down, the guy rolled his window down, and supposedly that guy did go into the car and attack this particular individual, and that’s where some of that provocation happened. But again, I don’t know all of the steps that happened, nor was I there. And frankly, Bill, eyewitness accounts, as you know even from being a pastor, eyewitness accounts, that’s why police get different ones from a lot of different people, because they’re not always super accurate.
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Yeah, and they could be coming in at different snapshots of time. You know, we play this game in our self-defense class called Quantum Leap. You remember the show back in the 80s? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would pop into somebody’s life, and he’d have to figure out, okay, where am I and who am I? You know, and so sometimes eyewitnesses, you know, they’re busy, they’re distracted, they’re whatever, and they take a look. Well, we don’t know where we are in the timeline of what was played out. This is why, you know, especially in defense, this is why the good guy who maybe defends himself takes the gun. could be interpreted as the bad guy, depending on when that person comes into the event or into the scenario, if you will. So, you know, that’s another thing. Well, I saw this guy just shoot him. Well, did you see leading up to that? So there’s lots of different perspectives and perspectives. And view timelines, if you will, as to these witnesses and what they account for. But, you know, right out of the gate, I don’t know, again, what happened. We can speculate. But, you know, there’s a couple things you said to me already. It’s like, nope, nope, nope, wouldn’t have done, wouldn’t have done. You know, first thing is, you know, we’re – and I really have a hard time with this one because I like my window down. I like the fresh air. I love it. I like my window down. I’m the guy that has the heater on in the middle of winter and the window down, you know, and the AC on and the window down just because I like the fresh air. I just like it. So one of the first things you can do is your vehicle is a barrier. And if you have that window open, unless they’re busting that window out trying to come into your car, you’re still not justified. You have a barrier. So I’m not sure. I wouldn’t be rolling my window down.
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Okay, so let’s back up. Let’s walk through this. Let’s say, for example, number one. Let’s do our very best to avoid altercations. So I think all of you listening from the driving standpoint, and I get it, Bill, all of us can be on edge at times. You’re late to someplace. You’re driving home from work. You want to get home. You’re tired. There’s all sorts of other things happening. And all you need is one jerk getting in your way and starting to frustrate that. And some of the other things that have happened of late are these motorcycles that are splitting lanes that aren’t supposed to be. And they can cause some havoc. And I’ve seen… you know, even altercations with those guys. I haven’t had that, but I’ve watched others in that regard. And so I think where I’m coming from, Bill, is, you know, first things first, try to avoid that at all possible. And I mean, if that means, you know, you drive away from the scene, you ignore, you don’t look over, you don’t acknowledge that that person is, you know, flipping you off and getting all mad, I mean, whatever the case may be, as much as sometimes we want to counter that, I think, for me at least, Bill, in most cases, just avoid eye contact even if you can.
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Yeah, yeah, get out of there and ignore it, you know, and somebody’s yelling at you, honking at you, giving you gestures, whatever, putting their phone up like they’re recording you. Somebody did that to me, and I was like, I don’t even know what I did. I was just driving down the road. Maybe I was going too slow. Maybe you cut him off without realizing it. And I was just like, okay, sure. Because at the end of the day, John, ego’s… you know, they don’t matter when it comes to somebody losing their life and you potentially go into jail. I mean, was it really worth it? Was it worth it? So, you know, you diffuse those situations. You, like you said, somebody is, you know, tailgating you, honking you, cutting you off in front of you, break checking you, whatever. Maybe, maybe that’s what I pull off or, or that’s where I call the cops at that point. Say, Hey, I got this going on. Just want you to know what’s happening. You know, get, you know, be proactive in that scenario, but don’t engage with them. Don’t engage with them. Just let them go. You know, and then if you get, you know, coming up on a red light or whatever, you know, you don’t box yourself in. You know, I’ve always had a rule that, hey, if I can’t see the tires of the car in front of me, then I’m too close. Right. You know, and that might even be too close, John. And then when driving, too, you know, we’re not tailgating people. We’re giving ourselves, you know. Yep. places to go, you know. I try to stay out of the center lane.
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Yeah, me too. Yeah, for me, Bill, it’s either, I’m either going to be, depending on how fast I need to get where I’m going, I’m either in the right lane or the left lane. I rarely am in the middle lane, and the reason for that is you have less options on what you can actually do with the shoulders and so on. I think that’s where you’re going with that, I’m sure. You know, You eliminate an option right or left, depending upon which other lane you’re in. I get it. Sometimes you’re on a two-lane road, and in those particular situations, yeah, I get it. That’s a whole different scenario. But I agree with you. I think when it comes to driving, be more proactive. Not even defensive so much, Bill. I mean, that comes into play. Got to have defensive driving as well, which so many people have never been taught. But you got to drive defensively. But I think… even to your point, drive proactively. In other words, how far are you from the car in front of you? What kind of a gap have you left? And by the way, I’m also a big one on this, Bill. Don’t agitate those people around you by leaving 15 cars between you and the car in front of you when it’s rush hour traffic. That’s irritating the person behind you. And by the way, rightfully so. That’s how the traffic jams even get worse and worse. Now, that doesn’t mean you need to be three inches from the bumper in front of you, but within reason, stopping distance and so on, Give yourself some room, but also don’t be that guy that’s adding to the pressure of traffic because you’re that guy that’s got that huge… By the way, if you’re going to do that, get in the far right lane if that’s what you want to do. If you’re that nervous, well, frankly, Bill, if you’re that nervous to drive in rush hour traffic, wait until it’s over and then go drive. If that’s you, I mean, I see that so often where these people are leaving 15 spaces between them and the car in front of them, and they really won’t close the gap, and all they do is… is literally irritate every other driver around them. Don’t be that guy, because now you’re just starting something you don’t need to.
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Yeah, yeah. I like that, being proactive. You know, on one tone, it is defensive driving because we say everything is self-defense, right? When I teach my classes, you know, you take in a water bottle, having water, that’s self-defense because you’re defending against something, right? Defending against the potential of something. But I like that proactive. And, you know, a lot of times, John, you know, we just got to get our heads focused into the drive, paying attention, staying alert, staying aware. And that’ll solve so much right there, you know, paying attention and You know, looking at cars and noticing people and, you know, it’s kind of like you can turn it into a game. You know, let’s see what kind of crazy stuff people are doing. And you’ll start noticing all kinds of stuff. People, you know, changing their clothes, eating food, eating their breakfast.
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Well, and I just sent something from a listener. This is up in Cheyenne, by the way. There was a shooting involved up there with a 19-year-old girl. And there was a road rage, altercation, all the stuff, Bill, that we’re talking about. So, again, it doesn’t have to be in Denver, Parker, Colorado. This is in Cheyenne, which, you know, no offense, is not a large city per se, Bill. So our point of where this stuff can happen, it can literally happen. happen anywhere you don’t have to be in a big city for this to happen so i think you know to our point a moment ago drive you know not just defensively and you’re right it is always defensively but also proactively defensively i guess would be the way you know for example i wanted to throw something in here so you’re in rush hour traffic you can see that there’s maybe some folks around you that are you know maybe there’s even another couple of cars that you can just tell are Not happy with one another. And I’ve seen some of this, by the way. You can just see that these two are getting into it. They are not getting along. For me, Bill, I’m looking for an exit path out of even that entire area of the lane, even if that means getting off the road, getting up on an off-ramp, on-ramp, whatever. Even if it means I’m delayed five or so minutes by getting away from those two knuckleheads, that’s what I’m doing. I don’t want to be around that.
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Yep. Yep. If you see that or you see somebody weaving in and out of traffic, you just get out of the way. Correct. I mean, who cares? Correct. Who cares? And I mean, there was a time in my life, John, where somebody was driving like an idiot and I’m like, oh, I’m going to show them. You know, I mean, I’m not proud to say that.
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Those days are long gone for me.
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Yeah. But it’s like, you know, you, you sit back and you think about it. It’s like, it’s not worth it. It’s just, it’s really not worth it. The other thing I like to do is I will never be side by side with somebody. I’ll always be slightly behind or slightly ahead. I do not want to agree with you on that.
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And I get it. Sometimes in rush hour traffic, that’s really difficult to do. But that’s where you change your your gappage, I guess, would be the way to say that, Bill. If you’re in rush hour traffic and you’re trying to again, if you’re on outside lane, this is a little easier because you can adjust where you’re at in that outside lane to make sure you don’t have somebody directly next to you. meaning you can spread that gap a little bit tighter in front of you or widen it a little bit more. I’m with you. I do my very best, even at stoplights. I don’t want to be directly next to another car. Again, if it means I tuck up a little more or I stand back a little more, I’m doing whatever I can to not be directly next to that person that’s to the right or left.
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Well, and even from a safety standpoint, like let’s say you’re an elderly person or you’re a female, right? You don’t want somebody watching, looking over at you going, oh, hey, you know, especially if it is a bad guy going, hey, there’s a potential target there.
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Right. There’s a victim.
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There’s a victim, right? So you don’t want to be seen. So I will be slightly ahead or slightly behind, you know, the driver next to me if I can. And I’ll ride there, too. I won’t go right next to somebody. I’ll ride back there so that they can’t see me and I can’t see them. It’s fine. It’s taken the dominant position, really, in my opinion. I agree with you. Those things right there will solve a whole bunch. Plus, let’s say you did do something and you didn’t even realize it. Well, that happens all the time, by the way.
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I think people do things at times inadvertently. They don’t, you know, you and I, I mean, let’s face it, you’re doing so many different things. There could be times where you’re, I mean, I try my best to not talk on the phone, period, and be in the car, but sometimes it’s unavoidable, Bill, and you just are. And I mean, not talking with the, you know, with the, you know, phone up to your ear, but through the hands-free end of things. And even then, Bill, as you know, you’re just not quite as focused on as you would be otherwise. And sometimes, you know, you may inadvertently do something or there’s somebody in your blind spot, you don’t really notice them, you didn’t turn your head like you should have. I mean, you know, Bill, stuff happens to all of us. And by the way, that includes the people that are around you. Give a little grace here and there. But sometimes, Bill, people are very graceless.
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Yeah, right. You know, you weave over a little bit because something dropped or something fell in the seat and you’re looking over. I mean, it happens all the time, right? And I’ll even be, if I do something to that person, I’ll just throw them a quick wave, like, hey, I’m sorry. You know, like, hey, sorry about that.
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I’m sorry. Yep, yep, yep. And by the way, sometimes that little gesture, even from the other person that does that, it’s like, oh, okay, I get it. You know, it’s when none of that happens where you’re like, geez, what a jerk.
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Yeah, yeah. And, you know, when people let me in, I throw them a wave. I mean, you used to see that a lot in Colorado. It’s going, you know, it’s not happening anymore. But, you know, it used to be where people would let you in and they’d throw you a little wave. Right. You know, now it’s just like, hey, I expect you to let me in. You know, I expect you to let me in and you’re the bad guy. You know, they don’t understand. You know, I’m supposed to safely merge into traffic.
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Well, and just somebody asked me a minute ago, you know, do I ever have anybody, you know, after me, you know, in these scenarios? And I’ll tell you when it happens to me the most because no one knows how to zipper merge, Bill, and I do, and I will, and I don’t feel one bit bad about it because that’s actually the law. That’s what CDOT even recommends. Instead of everybody waiting in one line, you zipper merge up every other car, every other car. Mm-hmm. And I can’t tell you how many times you get that dirty look, the honk, the flip off, the whatever it is, because you went up and went ahead and zippered in like you’re supposed to. And another person gets extremely angry. I’ll be honest. They can be angry all day long. I’ll do my best to make sure there’s no huge altercations. But I’m still going to zipper merge. That’s just the way it’s supposed to work.
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Yeah, what I don’t like is when they use the median or the shoulder to try to do that.
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Oh, yeah, you’re not supposed to. That’s against the law.
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Or the turn lane, and the turn lane, and they use the turn lane, and all of a sudden, oh, they want to get over it.
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Yeah, no, that’s against the law.
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And they have to do a complete stop. Yeah. So they’re, you know, waiting for somebody who’s like, hey, you know, this is the off-ramp or whatever it may be.
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Yeah, and by the way, the zipper merge, just for everybody listening, just as a side note, because maybe people don’t realize this, Bill, zipper merge is different than you merging with an on-ramp. With an on-ramp, you are supposed to yield and merge to the traffic that’s oncoming. It’s not expected for the other traffic. If they’re gracious and they move over or they slow down or they allow you in, that’s them being gracious, but they don’t have to. That’s different than an actual true zipper merge where there’s three lanes merging into two or there’s construction and it’s going from two to one and they’re zippering you in. The zipper merge is way different from an on-ramp.
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Yeah, yeah. And I think that’s the point I was making earlier. The law says I… I on-ramp or I merge into traffic when it’s safe to as the merging car, not the traffic. I don’t have to stop to let you in. I’ll tell you, actually, now that I think about this, something happened to me yesterday, and this was way out east in the sticks, right? So I’m driving, and I saw this big truck with a horse trailer. and he’s coming down, and I know he’s going to turn on the road. Like, he’s turning right, and I’m turning left, and I know he’s turning on, so I stopped, you know, I don’t know, 30, 40, 50 feet from the intersection, you know, and I didn’t do anything, right? I must have done something with my gesture, because he pulled up to me and rolled down the window, and he says, are you trying to say something to me? And I was like, no, I’m just giving you room. And he’s like, oh, I really appreciate that. Thank you. But you see where that could have… Are you trying to say something to me? Could have… I was just giving you room to turn. He’s like, oh, I really appreciate that. Thank you. Because he had a trailer, I had a trailer. And it was just like, hey, you can come on. I’m going to show you courtesy. We need to show courtesy, too, I think, a little bit more on the road. Agreed. But how we position the car. Where we stop on a stoplight, you know, remembering the rules of a four-way stop. And you know what? Let the other person go. If they want to go, they want to break the rules, go ahead. That’s right. And here’s another thing that really irritates me, John, is as soon as that light hurts hits green, people are laying on that horn. You know what? I’m going to pause a minute because there’s too many.
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Oh, yeah. I want to make sure nobody else comes to the intersection. If I’m the first one in line, I’m waiting a second or two because I want to make sure nobody else is coming through.
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Yeah. Yeah. And people are on the horn. Go, come on, come on, let’s go. Let’s go. Turn, turn green. And I’m like, you know, they’re just, it’s just, it’s, it’s ignorance and it’s stupidity on, you know, really. And that’s what gets people hurt and gets everybody all worked up.
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Okay, let’s do this. I want to take a break, come back, and what I want to get to next is sometimes things may just be unavoidable. You do have to, you know, at some point stop, stop at a stoplight, whatever, and all of a sudden somebody’s out of the car coming at you. I want to talk about that scenario and what people should do here, Bill. We’ll do that next as soon as we come back. For all of you listening, don’t forget, you can go find Bill on his own website. It’s prep2protect.com. Prep2ProtectCO.com, and that 2 is a number 2, so Prep2ProtectCO.com. Ours is Ready-Radio.com. You can find everything you need there, including previous episodes. We’ll be right back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560. Myself, Bill Anderson, joining me as well. All right, Bill, let’s talk about how, you know, you may not have even known you did something. We’ve just got done talking about some of that. But all of a sudden, you find yourself, you pull up to an intersection. You didn’t have any choice. Lights red, cars in front of you. You don’t have any place to go. There’s no exit. You didn’t even know, by the way, you had done anything. So in this particular scenario… You really didn’t even prep yourself properly for this because all of a sudden somebody is getting out of the car, they’re angry, and they’re at your side window. What’s next?
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Well, at that point, if you don’t have any escape, meaning that you can’t pull out for whatever reason, you’re boxed in or you’re at a red light, there’s too much traffic going on, Whatever you lock you first of all when they’re coming out you lock your doors your doors should be locked all the time You’re in your car, right? They should just be locked because especially if you pull up at a red light and someone tries to carjack you and we do Carjacking scenarios we teach that kind of stuff and that’s one thing we say is you know Soon you get your door lock them lock them right because that’s a level or a layer of deterrent Keep those windows up, keep the door locked. If somebody’s coming up to you, just say, hey, sorry, sorry, yeah, sorry, whatever. I’m not going to escalate it. I’m not going to escalate it. I’m not going to roll my window down. I’m not going to start getting into a verbal thing with him. I’m going to have my hand on the phone. Maybe I’m going to, depending on where it goes, maybe I’m going to start calling the police. Maybe I’m going to start recording his actions. that’s where we’re going to go from there. That’s what I would do. You’ve got a barrier, stay in the barrier.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, what if, because I’ve seen this, you have too, you’ve seen videos, things along these lines to where that person now, because of that, you’re not responding, and all of a sudden they’ve now got something that they’re beating on the side of the window with. What do you do then?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, now they have escalated it. So they’ve brought it up to the next level and they’re showing intent. And so now, you know, if they penetrate that window or look like they’re coming in, you now are justified to defend yourself. And so at that point, you know, maybe you think layers. Maybe you’re thinking, do I have some… hornet spray that i could spray out or some bear spray or something i mean uh you know i’m not necessarily a fan of the pepper spray in your car because guess who also is going to get that pepper spray maybe use that gel type pepper spray or something something okay so you know what really quick
SPEAKER 06 :
Let’s talk about that for a moment because this is one thing that I don’t know that I’ve ever even covered on all the programs I’ve got, including Drive Radio. So in this particular scenario, which I’m like you, I think you should do everything you possibly can minus shooting the guy. I mean, we’ll get to that. We’re not there yet. So in this particular case, what should, because I can put a link up on our website, give us a product, something that you could have in the car that would be a good deterrent for that individual that could, keeps us from having to pull a gun out?
SPEAKER 09 :
Honestly, I keep wasp spray. Okay. Multifunction, because, you know, we do an electrical business, too, and there’s times where I open up a panel and there’s a wasp nest in there, so I’ve always got wasp spray there. I’ve got a hammer. I’ve got a hammer sitting by my seat. That hammer may be a drywaller hammer, which may have an axe head on the other side. Right, right. Not sure. I will neither confirm nor deny that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And again, for a lot of us where you’ve got tools, things like that in the car, it makes sense. Some of us even carry pretty sizable flashlights that have the tangs on the end that can double up as almost a hammer, if you would, Bill. So some folks travel with those. But I’m talking even for some of the ladies that are listening out there where it’s probably not going to be – something they’re going to carry around with them. They’re probably not going to have a hammer in the console. And so I’m looking at, okay, what other types of things, pepper spray, et cetera, and I’m with you. You’re now going to have that back on you. But if that deters the other person and you’re still able to diffuse the situation, that’s better than just letting them go, correct?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it’s absolutely better if you, you know, get them to stop, you know, the forward momentum and stop.
SPEAKER 06 :
So this gel, this is new for me. I’ve never heard of the gel pepper spray. What is that?
SPEAKER 09 :
So it’s more of a gel that will go onto your face instead of an aerosol type, which you could get blowback with the aerosol. So pepper gel.
SPEAKER 06 :
I see a listing here on Amazon now for it. I didn’t know they made a gel. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I like that better.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And it’s a lot better, you know, it takes a little bit more aiming with it. Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
But if they’re right there next to your window and they’re doing what we’re talking about and they somehow break it and they’re literally right in front of you, you’re pretty much going to get to them at that point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, yeah. And like I said, I carry the law spray, you know, you have bear spray. And that stuff too, John, is, you know, it’s a little bit more gray man, like you already talked about. Hey, I’m a worker. I’ve got my hammer here. I actually have a hammer with a axe head on the side of it. I can’t think of the brand of it. I can’t think of what it’s called, but a drywaller’s hammer, the old drywaller’s hammer. I know what you’re talking about. Oh, yeah. I carried that not for self-defense, but I carried that actually because I use it. I use it all the time in what I do. Yeah. You know, it’s not practical, and it’s not in the console. It’s right there next to my seat, you know. You could have some kind of a stick in there or something. It’s a little hard to wield a stick in a car. Excuse me, wield a stick in a car. But I’m doing something like that. But here’s the other thing, too, right? If I am concealed carrying, here’s the thing. You need to learn, and this is something we teach in our class, how to get the seatbelt out of the way in order to access that weapon. Because, you know, your seatbelt, like if you carry it at 3 o’clock and you’re right-handed, well, if you’re the driver’s seat, guess where your seatbelt is. You have to unbuckle it and go to it. So we teach a way with our left hand to go down the chest strap, if you will, hit the button, clear the weapon, and clear the belt. so that we can access it with our right hand and draw. And there’s another thing you have to keep in consideration is how you draw in a car. Because it’s no different than drawing from a seated position whether you’re at a restaurant or whatever, you need to, as best as you can, roll to your side and extend that leg because you don’t want to bring that gun up and potentially shoot yourself in the leg. And I know someone could say, well, you’re going to shoot your – no. If you see how I’m drawing, I’m clearing my leg with that draw stroke. And you need to learn that. But maybe I’m accessing it and maybe I’m not – you know, fully displaying it. But I have on the ready because here’s the thing. This goes quick. You know, they start beating on the window. They start doing that stuff. Maybe it’s all timing. You have to learn to judge and to read the intent of somebody. Is there multiple people? Do you have somebody banging on your passenger window and the driver window? You know, the whole thing, the answer is, John, it’s the favorite answer we have in self-defense. It depends. But these are some things you have in there that you can layer it. You start honking your horn. You start getting attention. Start calling people. Do all those deterrents. Do all those things. But stay in your car. Don’t roll down your window. Don’t get out to engage. Stay in the car. Even if you’re in an accident… And this is hard. If it’s questionable, stay in your car and wait for the cops to get there.
SPEAKER 06 :
I agree. Yeah, and you know what? I’m glad you brought that up. One thing else that I don’t know that I’ve ever covered here is there’s all these scams going on to where people will intentionally run into you so they can thereby scam you. Maybe, for example, their car was already damaged, but now by running into you and blaming you, by the way, for the accident, which is exactly what they’ll do, sometimes they’ll even back into you whereby it looks like you ran into them. And unless you’re videoing that, it ends up being their word against your word. These are all things you have to be really careful of when you’re out there. And I’m sorry, folks, this is just the world we live in because there’s, as you know, Bill, just so many people out there trying to scam things and hurt you.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And especially if you’re driving a company truck.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah, because you’re now a bigger target.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. And they’re thinking, oh, insurance, you know. There’s a lot of that, you know, they’ll park in front of you and then park behind you if they’re working in teams or, you know, maybe they have, you know, like a lady and the child sitting on a corner and you roll down and then, you know, and you’re good in your heart, you’re doing something and you get ambushed. I mean, this, The problem is, is this stuff is going on. And again, stop thinking, oh, that’ll never happen here. That only happens in sketchy areas. No, it’s happening everywhere.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, it happens everywhere. I’m getting text messages in as we speak about various things, Bill, that we’re talking about that are happening in all sorts of, I can tell by area codes, all sorts of areas around the country, not just Denver.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. And St. Parker, you know, it was a few months back, a guy went through Walmart stabbing people in Parker, you know. And I’ve known two people in Castle Rock that were approached filling up their cars at the Safeway gas station. And they tried to take them, you know, and this is right there in Castle Rock. So, you know, there’s no safe area anymore, I don’t think.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, and I’m getting, again, I’m getting people that are talking about how irate people get when it comes to some of the correct zipper merging, and they’re doing things correctly in traffic, and yet it makes a lot of other people around them irritated. And, again, you may be doing what you know you need to do correctly, but it irritates somebody else to the point that, yeah, now at that next stoplight or stop sign or whatever it is, they’re out of the car. And, again, folks, you’ve just got to be so careful now. As we said earlier, I would at all times, this is where even at intersections, guys, I don’t like being in the middle lane. And for the reasons, Bill, that we’re talking about right now, if there’s, you know, I’m in the left lane and there’s maybe even a turn lane and I’ve got the ability to zip into that to get away from somebody. or I’m in the right lane and there’s another turn lane or there’s a shoulder that I can go to. You know, I’m looking for all of the exits. Where it’s worse and where you typically see a lot of these videos from, Bill, is those people that get stuck in that middle lane because you’ve got nowhere to go. You are now a quote-unquote captive audience and you have no ability to get out of that. So, folks, I am suggesting that if at all possible, you’re always on one of the outside lanes, even at an intersection. Even if, you know, well, I’m in the middle lane because I know I’m going to have to get over one more lane to turn left. And that’s coming up rather quickly. Here’s the other thing that I’ve always learned. I tell my wife this all the time and she’s always laughing at me. Bill, there’s always somebody asleep at the wheel, so never fear about merging in even if it’s 100 yards down the road because you’re always going to have room because there’s always somebody asleep at the wheel that you can merge into. So stay out of that middle lane. If you’re thinking, listen, well, I’ve got to get over and I’ve got to get in the middle lane right now because I’ve got to get right over right after the intersection. You know what? You’ve got plenty of time to get all the way over to the left lane without much issue at all because, again, most people are asleep at the wheel and And you know what? Worst case scenario, you go down, you make a U-turn, you come back, you do whatever. It’s not the end of the world. But stay out of that middle lane is my point.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s exactly right. Even if you miss the turn, go down, turn around. Again, is it worth it?
SPEAKER 06 :
No. Is it worth it, John?
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s not. You’re a few more minutes late. I mean… I get it, you know.
SPEAKER 06 :
And again, and this, I think, too, Bill, it really doesn’t. I’m sorry to say this. You know, some would say, well, you know what? Yeah, that late at night, that’s what I’m doing. But during the day, I’m just going to do what I do. Well, no, Bill, these things can happen in rush hour traffic. They can happen in the middle of the afternoon. They can happen in evening traffic. They can happen at dark when you’re coming home after going to the restaurant, you know, whatever the case may be. Reality, Bill, is they can happen at any time. It doesn’t make any difference what time of the day it is at all.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, no, it can happen. You know, I’ll give you another example. And I know somebody who did this. And I’m like, why did you do that? They were picking up a child from school and they were going through the carpool lane or whatever, the child pickup lane, I don’t know what they’re called these days. And somebody came in and somebody like jammed their way in the front of the line, didn’t wait their turn. And then, you know, they’re all mad at them. And then they sped out, you know, they were going fast in the school zone. So they followed them to their house and started yelling at them. Now, the person that I know, is the person that followed them and started yelling at them. And I’m like, why in the world would you do that? And they’re like, I don’t know. I was just so mad. I can’t, you know, but see the point, see the point how that could have gone. Yep. That can go really bad. It could have gone anywhere. Oh yeah. Right. And the person that followed them is not an aggressive person, but what are you doing? You know, what are you doing?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, don’t be that person. You don’t know what that might actually, you know, get you into when it’s all said and done. And, you know, I mean, ultimately what we’re really trying to get to is after reading these types of stories, and I don’t know where this one ends, Bill. I’m guessing that, you know, one person’s dead. The other person’s still in jail. I don’t know exactly what’s going to happen next. Not a good situation. Now, one other thing I wanted to add is in this particular scenario where this altercation happened— The person does get their gun out. They do shoot and kill the person that was, quote-unquote, attacking them, and then drove off. Now, I will say this, Bill. This I do know for positive. I don’t know what led up to this. I don’t know what happened up to this point. But I do know this. Don’t drive away.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, you don’t leave the scene.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, that is the worst thing you could do.
SPEAKER 09 :
You never leave the scene. I had a friend when we were very young, you know, 21 or whatever. You know, I wasn’t with him at the time, but he was driving home late at night. I think he was leaving the Grizzly Rose. He ran into the median, left, left, and came back. And the cops were there, and they gave him a DUI.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, no.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I’m like, well, why did you leave? Why? why did you leave? And, um, you know, and his whole argument was, well, I drank after I hit that. We all, everybody knew that was, you know, baloney, you know, he just, he made it worse by leaving because now, Hey, you’ve changed everything when you’ve left. Now you’re showing, what are you trying to hide? Why did you ditch the gun? Why didn’t you just stand there and wait? According to the new Colorado state law for CCW, by the way, we have to teach engaging with law enforcement even after a shooting. And how do you handle that? And even with traffic stops with concealed carry-in, yeah, you could second amendment and say, I don’t have to tell you anything. You could do that, but usually if you… State to the officer or state to the 911 call, hey, I fired shots. The person is down. Please send an ambulance. I am here. I’m dressed in here. How would you like me to proceed? And wait for instruction. You’re way better off, John.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. Yep. And somebody’s asking me, can we talk about the issue that happened down at the Safeway in Castle Rock? And I just asked him, if they would send me that story, yes, we can talk about it. I’m not as familiar with that one. Maybe you are, Bill. I don’t know what happened at the Safeway in Castle Rock. And I read a lot of stuff throughout the weeks and months and years, guys, so I apologize if I somehow missed that one. I kind of remember something about that story, Bill, but I do not have that one at my fingertips.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it didn’t make news or anything. I just knew two people on two different occurrences that were at the Safeway parking, the one down on Founders there, Point Creek, excuse me. They were filling up their car and they had a woman and a child approach them asking them for gas money while a van tried to box them in. And both of the people that this happened to at two different occasions were told me the story, you know, are trained, we train in self-defense. And so they recognized what was going on and they avoided the situation, but they were being approached by a woman and a child saying, hey, we need some gas. And meanwhile, a van was trying to box that other car in And probably trying to nab one of them is probably what was going to go down.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gotcha. Gotcha. So, you know, you bring up another great point, which thank you for bringing that up because I didn’t even get to that part yet. And we’ll dovetail into this is, you know, there are more altercations. This is a known fact. There’s more accidents and altercations in parking lots than there is anywhere. So you’re more likely to have a problem in a parking lot. than you are anywhere else because people aren’t paying attention. In some cases, they’ve gone to the restaurant. Maybe they have a little too much to drink. I mean, on down the line we go, Bill. People just don’t pay as close of attention in parking lots as they typically should, and that’s typically where accidents happen. That’s why, by the way, and sorry to get off on a tangent here, but that’s why I’m such a big proponent of backing in to your parking places because it’s much easier to see everything going on around you pulling out than backing out. And I know that’s hard for a lot of people because that initial backing in might take a little bit more time. But Bill, I’m a big one on that because your chances of having issues backing into the space is far less than backing out of the space. They lose you, Bill. Oh, yeah, I lost Bill. Well, we’ll get Bill back. You know, let’s do this. Charlie, let’s take a break. I’m sure Bill will call back here in just one moment. We’ll take our last break of the show anyways. Again, ready-radio.com. We’ll be right back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 06 :
All right, we are back. Ready Radio, KLZ 560 website, ready-radio.com. Bill, I was talking about how a lot of altercations happen in parking lots. I have several messages, text messages that have come in along those lines as well. And that’s another, we can almost do a complete hour on just how to handle yourself in a parking lot, walking out from the store. Where do you park in the first place? And maybe next week we ought to just dovetail into that because that leads into a whole other conversation, especially as we get into more of the You know, darker evenings and we’ll have folks that will be out shopping for all the holidays that honestly aren’t that far away. I think Christmas is, what, 90 or so days away. If that, I think it’s a little less than that. So it’s not as far away, Bill, as we think.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, well, I better get you my Christmas list, huh?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, man, yeah, because it’s coming fast. So, yeah, get it to me. So, yeah, we get things dialed in. And, you know, seriously, though, there’s a lot of things that happen in and around parking lots and from everything you were talking about where there can be, you know, close encounters with abductions and things along those lines. And, by the way, there’s also a lot of – conspiracy theories around sorts of things that are happening where you know don’t touch this don’t touch that now i’ll get into some of that next week on things that i do think you need to be aware of that are real threats but there’s also a lot of things out there bill where people get all worked up over stuff that’s frankly it’s a it’s a wife’s tale that gets passed down that’s not real yeah like they they put something on your car and you touch it and then you correct you
SPEAKER 09 :
Put you to sleep and things like that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, those things really aren’t happening. But there’s other things that I do believe, Bill, are, and that’s where you’ve got to be extremely careful, cautious. We can get into some of that next week. Let’s finish up, though. And I’ve had several people talking about what would happen with them at a stoplight if something like what we’ve talked about happens. And again, the biggest mistake that I see this particular individual making, Bill, was leaving. I mean, you now look, and maybe I’m wrong in saying this, Bill, but you look more guilty when you leave than had you just stayed there.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It’s like, well, why did you feel the need to leave? What are you hiding? Right. You know, and you change the whole scenario. Did you change, you know, did you change your clothes? Did you hide the gun? Did you, I mean, there’s just so many.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, in this case, he’s throwing the casings away. Why are you doing that?
SPEAKER 09 :
Why are you doing that? If it was justified, you don’t need to do that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hide anything.
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s nothing to hide. Nothing to hide, right? Now, again, we don’t know the backstory here, John. I mean, he could have been a felon that wasn’t allowed to have them, and maybe… I don’t know. We don’t know the backstory. Could be. There’s so much. Again, it depends. But, you know, we already started back all the way from the beginning of this scenario in how many options this person had where… it didn’t have to lead to this, you know, with the whole, Hey, just whatever. We had a little disagreement on the road, go your way. I’ll go my way. Um, to the point where the guy’s out of the car, my windows down. I mean, there’s a buildup to all of this and what we try to do, you know, there’s five stages of violent crime. You know, you got the intent, you got the interview, you’ve got, you know, kind of the, the, the, you know, I’m targeting, I’m positioning, and we can go through all five of those, but the point is, is you can interrupt those at any time. It doesn’t need to get escalated continually. It’s like, you know, the intent, I see that this person shows intent with their face or their body language or whatever, and I could be like, okay, I’m going to cross the road. You know, he gets out of his car, he shows intent. Okay, I have a decision to make right now. You know, hey, stay back, stay back, I’m picking up the phone, I’m calling the phone, stay back, and you can do that, roll your window up, lock your doors, you know, get out your pepper spray, your wasp spray, whatever, and then he gets closer, he starts banging on it. Well, you got to take each level, each layer at a time and deal with it. But remember, you know, you can escalate it and you can turn from victim to assailant in a snap, in a heartbeat. Right, right. You know, I will tell you another story of somebody I know. that was in a road rage. They were going down the highway, and these people were just, you know, cutting them off, brake-checking them, getting them behind them, you know, doing that whole game. Right. And this particular person pulled their gun out and put it on the dashboard. And so the car sped off. They’re like, he’s like, all right, yeah, I guess they got the point. Well, guess what? Before he knows it, he was being pulled over. They called the cops on him. Yeah, because he flashed a gun.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
And he…
SPEAKER 06 :
went went to jail and and he’s like well i was the good guy here i was just trying to get these guys no you took it to the next level you are now the bad guy wow that’s a new story now that doesn’t shock me doesn’t surprise me in today’s day and age but you know that goes back to the whole course that you teach bill don’t get it out unless you plan on using it right i lost you for a minute bill
SPEAKER 10 :
Sorry about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, you’re back. What I said was, in your case, and you teach this, that goes back to that old training that you guys teach when it comes to concealed carry. If you’re not going to use it, don’t get it out.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, right. And it goes back to my Army days.
SPEAKER 06 :
You shoot to kill.
SPEAKER 09 :
And so if you don’t intend on killing somebody, you better not deploy that weapon. Because even if you deploy it with the intent of, I’m going to shoot you in the leg. Yep. You know, with a 10 feet, John, that gun comes out and we’re within that range, which most aggravated assaults happen within that range. There’s two things that’s going through that person’s mind. One, I’m going to take it from you because you’re going to use it against me, or I’m going to take it and use it against you. It’s probably more I’m going to take it so you don’t use it against me. But here’s the point. The fight for the gun is on.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. That’s exactly right. No, you’ve got to be so careful. Put it off. And I’m going to let you go, Bill. You’re still breaking up really bad. I’m going to let you go, though. We’re about end of the show anyway, so not a big deal. Appreciate you, Bill. All you do for us. You can find Bill, by the way, go to prep2protectco.com. Prep2protectco.com. Dave, I’ve got exactly one minute. Go for it, sir.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, just want to reiterate what you guys are talking about. You know, that’s just what that’s called, a felony menacing. And obviously, if you’re caring for your own protection… and as your instructor friend is talking about, when you go through that training and you pull it out, it’s because substance has hit the fan and there’s no other way out, and you’re defending your life. You don’t threaten anybody. You don’t use it like you would if you were shaking your fist.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Yeah, you do not want to do that. That’s like Bill just talked about in the story that he gave, Dave. You’re going to end up in more trouble than the other person. Don’t do that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Even if it’s a justifiable shooting.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Don’t do it.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that you’re going to go through hell.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. You’re going to be in trouble. That’s exactly right. Dave, thanks. I appreciate that. We’re going to end up things here. Ready Radio, again, go to our website, ready-radio.com. That’s ready-radio.com. You can look at all of our past episodes that are there. And, again, I think next week we’ll continue on with what do you do to keep yourself safe when it comes to the parking lot scenario and so on as we get into that time of the year where more and more people will be doing that. We’ll be back again next week. This is Ready Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 03 :
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