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In this thought-provoking episode, the hosts examine the intricate dance of political power with a focus on the transition between elections and inaugurations. They highlight the controversial decision of Hunter Biden’s pardon and discuss its broader implications on leadership and governance. Tackling issues of perceived presidential strength and the political strategies behind pardons, this episode provides an engaging analysis of current affairs, shedding light on the complexities of international policies and their intersection with domestic politics.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
Well, President Joe Biden promised there would be no pardon for his son, Hunter. That didn’t happen, and we’re going to talk about that along with a variety of other issues here on today’s edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live in Buffalo, New York. Joining me as well at the other end of Lake Erie, Bob Duco, host of the Bob Duco Show on WMUZ in Detroit, and John Rush, host of Rush to Reason in Denver, Colorado. Guys, good to be back with you. and have another week together as we cruise towards Christmas. Man, I can’t believe we’re at the end of the year already. This is crazy. And here we are between the election and the inauguration, this weird kind of downtime. But there’s a lot of stuff happening. You know, before we even get started, Bob, I just want to ask you real quick. You were saying some things before the podcast about Trump almost in a sense governing, though he’s not been inaugurated yet. Can you share some of what you were saying earlier? Because it’s really kind of interesting to observe.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’ve been noticing here a huge display of contrast between Donald Trump and Joe Biden as far as operating from a position of strength versus a position of weakness. There’s been one of the big criticisms of Joe Biden and justifiably. is that he’s been very weak on the world stage. And so consequently, the US has been disrespected and been treated like a pinata around the world. We know this. I don’t believe that Russia would have invaded Ukraine if Trump were in the White House. I don’t believe Hamas would have attacked Israel on October 7th of over a year ago if Trump were still in the White House. So this weakness has caused these kinds of problems that we see in tensions. Trump, he’s not even in office yet. And we still have 101 hostages, Israeli hostages being held in Gaza by Hamas. A few of them are US citizens. Well, just a few days ago, one of those US citizens died. And so what Hamas did was they tried to play tough with Donald Trump, and they actually posted a message to Trump with a photograph of a living U.S. hostage still being held over there. And basically, Hamas said to Trump, you know what, you see this? One person died, okay, and here’s a picture of a living person, American citizen. It’s important that you pressure Israel to meet our demands and concessions. So basically trying to use that living hostage as leverage to force Trump. How does Trump respond? He posts on Truth Social. He said, you know, if every hostage is not released by January 20th, 2025, there will be all hell to pay and more so than anything in the history of the United States. And he says, and for those in charge, which is a subtle way of saying, Iran, I’m talking to you too. So my best guess is what Trump is already doing right now is setting up to create sanctions against Iran. He did this before. When he was president before, he went after Iran by not just having U.S. sanctions on Iran increased. He went to other nations around the world and pressured them to join in in sanctions against Iran and said, don’t do business with Iran. And if you do… then you’re not doing business with the United States. Do you want us to give you sanctions? Okay, we want you to join. And he successfully got a whole bunch of nations to issue sanctions on Iran. And it was financially crippling Iran, which was hurting Vladimir Putin because Iran is a big customer for Putin’s arms. My guess is that Trump is doing that right now, but he publicly gave that threat to Hamas. And then even with our friends who are supposed to be nice to us, Canada has a $100 billion trade surplus over the United States. We have a deficit with them, not to mention the open borders on Mexico, but it’s also in Canada. So Trump says, hey, 25% tariff for both of you guys, unless you do what you can to close up the borders from your side. And Canada, you need to even out the $100 billion trade balance. Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada, hops on a plane, flies down to Florida, meets with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and talks about it. And according to witnesses in the room at the table, they said that Trudeau said to Trump when Trump reiterated, look, I’m serious about the 25% tariff. You can’t have a $100 billion trade deficit that we’re going to have with you and your open borders. And that Trudeau said, you can’t do that because that’ll wreck our economy. And apparently Trump’s response was, also, your economy can’t survive unless you rip us off of $100 billion. And then Trump made a joke, well, then just become the 51st state of the United States. And there was nervous laughter in the room is what they said. But this is Trump basically saying to our friends, look, we can be friends, but if you take advantage of us, I’m not going to let you get away with that. And to our enemies, there will be hell to pay. You got until Inauguration Day. You better have those hostages released. So this is a position of strength. And Trump is not a bluffer. We know that about him. So this is what I think the United States needs to be sending as a message on the world stage.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, well, and our Canadian listeners are telling us that Trudeau is virtually gone, that he’s on a really short leash. So I don’t know if that was an effort to save his own hide or not, or if he was just merely reacting to what Trump said. But either way, Canada and the U.S. need to continue to get along. We’ve been friendly partners for years, but definitely not at $100 billion trade deficit. Something’s got to get fixed there. Real quick, Bob, just curious, but the whole thing with Iran, I mean— On the one hand, you would think Iran wants nothing to do with the United States. You sort of understand that. But on the other hand, there’s always been the concern that maybe they’re trying to lure the U.S. into a wider Middle East conflict. Is there any chance Trump talking tough actually sort of plays into their hand on that?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think so. I really don’t. Because really what Trump is saying to Iran – is you better keep your dogs in Hamas and Hezbollah on a leash you better do that for the next four years you better not have any kind of Hamas attacks in Israel and by the way those hostages better be released and it’s up to you Iran to tell your dog Hamas to release those hostages otherwise you’re going to pay a very serious price economically I’ll make it worse than it was last time I don’t see that really playing into Iran’s hands. I see this – I mean I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Iran didn’t go ahead and tell Hamas, all right, make a deal. Let’s just go ahead and I want them released before the inauguration. Remember, Iran did that when Ronald Reagan came into office. The Iran hostage crisis – we’re old enough to remember this – He had 444 days where American citizens from the U.S. embassy were being held hostage in Iran. Jimmy Carter was very weak on the foreign stage, just like Joe Biden is. And Ronald Reagan is coming in. And if you remember, it was on Inauguration Day. that Ronald Reagan said, you know, well, I do, you know, that, what do you know, Iran released those hostages. So I think it’s very possible that they will cave in this, but they’ll try to do it in a way that saves them face. So I think it’ll be a good thing overall.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I love it.
SPEAKER 02 :
John, any response to what Bob’s saying? No, I agree a lot with what Bob’s saying, and Trump’s doing a really good job of actually governing things now, and he’s not even in office. I mean, we’re seeing things even happen, you know, economically speaking, and just, you know, just the thought of what’s going on and what he’s getting set up and some of his appointees and so on, you know, reality is, you know, he’s already governing. I guess you could say he’s governing from the back, even though he’s not the front man at this point, I mean, he is, you know, quasi, but he, you know, he’s not in the position. He hasn’t been, you know, sworn in yet. I mean, Joe Biden, you know, right now today on Wednesday, December the 4th is still, you know, sort of the president, I guess you could say, you kind of wonder, we’ll get into some of that in a moment, uh, with some of the things that he’s doing, because I don’t think he’s doing things very well, even for his own legacy, but regardless, he’s still the president. And yet, yet the country and the world is being more affected by Donald Trump today than it is by Joe Biden.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think you’re right. However, Biden did make news headlines when he did the exact thing he promised not to do, and that was to pardon his son, Hunter. We’re going to talk about that in a minute. But first, I want to welcome a brand new partner here to NCR, new sponsor of the National Crawford Roundtable, SunPower LED. Now, let me tell you, back in January of 2001, was having trouble breathing i could take a deep breath but i wasn’t getting anything anything out of it my blood oxygen content was like at life-threatening levels and i was going to need to go in the hospital go on a ventilator but because of sun power led which is essentially red light therapy it’s using the very light god himself created to reduce pain and swelling and promote healing in the human body that situation turned around in a matter of about seven to ten days all of a sudden i was back to 98 99 oxygen content and all of it simply using the very light God himself created. It’s incredible stuff, and you need to check it out. Our newest sponsor is SunPowerLED. You can find them on the website page, CrawfordMediaGroup.net. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on SunPowerLED. and get information about how to utilize that to reduce pain and swelling and promote healing in your body without drugs, without surgery, et cetera. And so they’re our newest partner. Welcome, Bob. Obviously, we couldn’t have done this all along without the help of our friends at Preborn.
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SPEAKER 02 :
I wasn’t surprised. In fact, kind of predicted on my show kind of from day one that this would actually happen. I know that he said he wouldn’t. Media said he wouldn’t. But the handwriting was on the wall. There was no way that Joe was going to leave office. And by the way, part of why Joe is still in office goes back to some of what we predicted in regards to the deal made. The backroom deals made in regards to Joe stepping out, Kamala stepping in, and so on. And there was a lot of talk about, well, they’ll make her president before the end of the term and this, that, and the other. No, no, not going to happen. Joe and Jill. Jill is in power right now when it comes to the Biden regime. and that whole empire that they have, and there was a lot of payola and things going on behind the scenes. And frankly, I think this was part of that deal as well. It might have been a side deal, but part of this whole deal was, I’m going to stay in office all the way through, no matter who becomes president, who wins the election, I’m going to stay in all the way until January 20th, and towards the end, I’m going to pardon my son Hunter. So this, to me, was already, you know, handwriting was on the wall.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, I don’t think he’s just going to stop at Hunter.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t either. It’ll be Joe too, or it’ll be Jim too.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’ll be his brother, Jim. And you want to hear something crazy? I wouldn’t put it past him.
SPEAKER 02 :
To do Jill?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, to do himself. Oh. Oh, I hadn’t thought about that one. To just say, I’m not only pardoning James. but I’m issuing a self-pardon, and he’ll word it in a way, for any of these kind of frivolous, baseless attacks or whatever, I’m going to eliminate the possibility of an attempt to weaponize the government against me by issuing a self-pardon for anything that I may have been accused of doing for the last 10 years also or whatever. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sorry, but it’s kind of funny when you think about it because if he issues a pardon for Hunter, of course he did, his brother Jim and himself but not Jill. What does that say? See you later, Jill.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry. No, there is one thing, though, legally, and I’m not a – a legal expert here but uh by him pardoning hunter if he doesn’t pardon james and doesn’t pardon himself he actually created a sense of vulnerability for himself and his brother james because now what happens is uh the senate and the house they can call hunter biden he can still be subpoenaed to testify and he can say whatever he wants to because there’s no repercussions for him Not only can he, he has to. He’s not allowed to claim the Fifth Amendment because self-incrimination is no longer a possibility. So therefore, Congress can say you’re not entitled to the Fifth because there’s nothing to self-incriminate. You have immunity. Since you have immunity, you’re required to testify. And he could be held in contempt of Congress if he doesn’t testify against his dad and his uncle.
SPEAKER 05 :
The tangled web we weave, I mean, it just gets deeper and deeper the further you look at it. That would be a fascinating scenario.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really quick, the more you said that a moment ago, Bob, I think now at this point, yeah, I think I could see him doing the rest of the family before he leaves office. His brother, himself, and his wife.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. All of them.
SPEAKER 05 :
What is that message in and of itself? What does that say to the American people, though, about his time of governance?
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s corrupt. It exposes the corruption machine that he really – yes. That’s right. He ran a criminal enterprise starting with his time as vice president. Who knows even before that? But certainly for the last 10 years, starting in 2013, 2014 – He started using the office of the vice president to line the pockets of him and his family, selling access to foreigners across the country and even selling U.S. policy for money. Let’s face it, he threatened to withhold the billion dollars in loan guarantees to Ukraine unless Poroshenko fired the prosecutor that was investigating Burisma that was paying a million dollars a year to Hunter Biden to sit on their board of directors. They ran a criminal enterprise. They really did use the government to do it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, really quick to throw another monkey wrench into all of this. What does Trump do in regards to his impeachment in the House, which, by the way, was over the very thing that Hunter just got pardoned for? How do you handle that, and can you undo an impeachment from years past?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think so. I have no idea.
SPEAKER 02 :
Because let’s face it. He was impeached over what he just got pardoned for. Let’s face it. That’s really what it was all about, correct? Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
More or less. I mean, you’re raising a really good point, and it’s something we should probably look at further on another podcast. But what I’m looking at in a bigger sense is really, again, the impact on the American people, because like everyone’s saying, well, Biden is trying to, you know, button up his legacy here. What’s he want to leave? What’s the impression he wants to leave? If it’s like, hey, the crime family gets off scoffery and, you know, we’re out and we’re not going to let the door hit us on the way out. We’re gone and you can’t do anything about it. Really? That’s the legacy? Like that they were a crime family and they were corrupt and that’s what they’re leaving the American people. But then on the other hand. Okay, you may have something to say about that. Let me also mention we had conversations here about the possibility that if Trump got in office, and he is now in office, that he might pardon himself with regard to the documents case on January 6th, whatever he would have jurisdiction over. I think the thing in Manhattan he doesn’t because that’s more of a state crime. But if Trump had done it, how would the American people have viewed Trump? As president of the United States.
SPEAKER 02 :
And what just happened, there would be no reason why Trump couldn’t because what would the other side even have to say at this point?
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And by the way, can I just say something about Biden’s pardon of his son Hunter? We got to remember, not only did he lie about this repeatedly, him and Karine Jean-Pierre, they knew they were going to. NBC News themselves reported that back in June they were talking about this. So, but he didn’t offer… a pardon for the two specific crimes that hunter biden was found guilty of the tax fraud crime and the the falsifying records on a gun purchase crime he didn’t say okay you’re found guilty of those and i’m pardoning you for those he gave a blanket pardon for anything and everything any crime any federal crime that he may have committed whether he’s been accused of it or not so theoretically He could, new evidence could come out that he actually was taking real bribes from other countries. Evidence could come out that he, whatever, committed any kind of federal crime. It’s irrelevant. It’s a blanket. It’s a blanket pardon for anything that hasn’t even been uncovered that he might have done over the last 11 years. That is insane.
SPEAKER 05 :
Kind of hard to wrap your brain around that.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s unbelievable. It really, I mean, this is an overarching, Bob, is what you just said a moment ago. This is an overarching pardon of past, current, and future sins.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yep, I know. And again, I’m just going to say it one last time. What does that say to the American people? Because like, hey, the people that are in office, we want to believe they’re okay. The media tells us they’re okay. Then they pardon themselves for crimes we think we know about that maybe they’ve not yet been convicted of. Or they have been and they get pardoned. But anything else they may have been doing because they probably were doing other things, you’re just pardoned for all of it. And that’s what we’re going to do because that’s what America is. I don’t think the American people are really actually comfortable with that. But that’s what’s happening.
SPEAKER 02 :
What’s interesting is what, as usual, what one side has been saying about Donald Trump for the past four years, they’re now doing. Right, and they’ve been doing it all along. Yep, they’ve been doing it. That’s right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, one of the things that I – I mean my listeners here in Michigan know that they’ve heard me say this countless times. What Democrats accuse Republicans of are what the Democrats are actually the most guilty of. That’s right. And it happens all – it doesn’t mean Republicans are perfect. They’re not. But I’m just saying that –
SPEAKER 02 :
Bob, it even happens with the liberal callers that call into the shows and say the things that they say. They are just as guilty of that as the politicians are.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, can I say also one of the things that have been exposed from the liberal left in this country is that the things that they claim that they value – Trump actually is outweighed by their hatred for Donald Trump and conservative policies. And a perfect example of this, this is kind of off the beaten path, but I just want to throw it out there. Melania Trump, if you think about it, Melania, and I’m not a huge Melania fan. She’s pro-abortion. I don’t like that. Okay. But Melania Trump represents everything that the liberal left shows. should celebrate. The gals on The View should love her. Vogue magazine should have her on the cover every other week, okay? Because she is, first of all, she’s a fashion model. She’s beautiful. She’s intelligent. She speaks five languages fluently. How many people can do that? And she’s a foreigner. She’s an immigrant. She brings multiculturalism to the White House. She’s everything the left should celebrate, yet all they do is at best ignore her, at worst demonize her and make fun of her. That’s right. And so that tells me that their hatred for Donald Trump is stronger than their love for multiculturalism, strong, intelligent women, things like that, who also have the number one New York Times bestseller in the country. So they just they’re full of hate more than anything else. And they accuse us of being about hate. And these are the ones who have coexist bumper stickers on their car next to the bumper sticker that says hate is not a family value.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, guys, we’ve got a minute or two here just before we go and end this half and start up the second half of the podcast. So I want to ask you a quick question, just in your estimation, based on maybe what you’re hearing from your own callers on your radio shows in Denver or in Detroit. John, what about you? On a scale of 1 to 10, how trusting are the American people right now of things like the media, the government, big pharma, et cetera? What are you sensing?
SPEAKER 02 :
They’re not. They’re zero out of 10. I mean, my listeners now, if I go to the left side of the aisle, of course, that number increases. But when it comes to my core listeners that really are a lot like the three of us, yeah, zero. I mean, these guys have absolute no trust in what government says, and it’s why they voted for Donald Trump and why we need a complete revamp of the system.
SPEAKER 05 :
yeah well the reason i’m asking is because donald trump’s appointees you know for his cabinet a lot of these people have nothing to do with the swamp they were never in the swamp so he doesn’t have to drain them from the swamp bob what are your thoughts about how trusting the american people are on media government big government and big pharma oh i’m with john on this my listeners don’t trust them at all and they shouldn’t absolutely uh but this is where as far as draining the swamp goes
SPEAKER 03 :
One of the ways that Trump can drain the swamp is by bringing in a bunch of MAGA loyalists to replace a bunch of the people in the head of the swamp. And then I think each one of these people are going to start doing some swamp draining individually themselves in each of these departments. And I think this is a good and necessary thing. There’s no doubt that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is going to. He’s going to inject a whole new way of looking at health care in this country to go outside of just the traditional establishment, which is in bed with big pharma anyway. So I think that whole relationship between the medical establishment community and big pharma needs a sledgehammer taken to it. I think he’s the guy to do it. I wish he was pro-life, but he’s the guy to do it. So I think… I think Trump is going to be more aggressive about restructuring the swamp of Washington, D.C. in his next four years than he was in his first four.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, we can pray that God would bring RFK Jr. to faith in Christ and he’d maybe perhaps radically be transformed on all of his views, including the life issue. But bottom line is these guys are going to blow up the establishment and it needs to be blown up in that sense. And we need new faces in Washington. I think the American people are going to be very happy. with the Trump appointments, even though some of these people are ones they’ve not really ever heard of before. But we’re going to talk about some of this as we continue the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. If you don’t get the second half on your terrestrial broadcast station where you’re listening right now, you can listen online to the complete podcast. We’ll be back with more of the National Crawford Roundtable in just a moment. Well, back again with today’s edition of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast Part 2. I’ve got Bob Duco with me. He’s the host of the Bob Duco Show on WMUZ in Detroit, Michigan. John Rush is the host of Rush to Reason in Denver, Colorado. He’s the most sensible man in the state of Colorado, and we happen to have him as part of our podcast. Well, thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Which, by the way, Neil, I will have a question for John in just a moment as we get into this, specifically about Denver.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. All right. My name’s Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live on WDCX Radio in Buffalo, New York. But anyway, we make up the National Crawford Roundtable podcast team. We’re going to be talking about a lot of things related to what’s happening in Washington, D.C. We already touched on the Hunter Biden pardon issue. But, Bob, what were you going to say about John and his work there?
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m just kind of curious, John, what is going on with your mayor there in Denver? Oh, what a clown. This guy, what a clown. Okay, first of all, and by the way, this is what I really like about Tom Homan, who is Trump’s pick to be the border czar, that the Denver mayor says, no, we’re going to go ahead and keep on housing illegal aliens and not cooperating and trying to hide them from deportation. And Tom Holman says, I’m willing to go to jail. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Your mayor says I’m willing to go to jail. Right. And then Tom Holman says, well, guess what? There’s one thing we agree on. I’m willing to put you in jail. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
I love, but it’s like, What in the world is going on with your… I mean, I know Denver’s liberal left wing, but are they that liberal left wing that he’s being a hero to them?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, in fact, there’s a lot of uproar, even from the left, on what Mike’s doing and what the mayor of Denver’s doing in regards to that. I mean, there’s figures that just came out here this past week. $358 million he has spent on these illegals, about $7,000 a person. There are people struggling to buy groceries that are looking at that saying, wait a minute, time out. This insanity… has got to stop. So even from his own party, he is not doing well. And he backtracked some of that, of course, because of that fact that even his own party doesn’t approve of some of what he’s doing. So he backtracked on some of that. But the problem is, as we all know, you can backtrack anything, but it doesn’t take away from what you said. how does a guy like that get re-elected and let me before you answer that question let me let me give you a little scenario well really quick neil let me answer it really fast because in denver he didn’t come in with that he kind of came in as going to be a guy that was going to cure homelessness and do this and do that all he did was actually create more of it with all of this immigration nonsense he’s gotten involved in
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the scenario that comes to mind, living in Buffalo, New York, we get blizzards all the time. In fact, it was pretty snowy at the last Buffalo Bills game.
SPEAKER 02 :
I was thinking of you.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, thank you. Areas south of the city, not so much where I live, but they got hit three, four feet of snow, whatever. When that happens, you go to the local grocery store, you can’t find toilet paper, you can’t find water. There’s certain things that are just gone. They just clean out the shelves. Why? Because people want to take care of their own. So then you look at these sanctuary cities, Democratic cities primarily, And you wonder how in the world are these voters tolerating a system that we should care for the homeless and the hurting. It’s a Christian value to have concerns about that. But to set aside everyone else’s concern in light of putting people up in hotels and giving them vast sums of money, even though they’re not legal American citizens, etc., I don’t understand that mentality and then how the elected officials that are supporting this can get reelected. I mean, we get a lot of stuff going on in New York State where they’re shipping people to other parts of the state and whatever, and people are starting to get frustrated. But why there hasn’t been more backlash? Like, wait a second, what are you going to take care of us? We’re the ones who pay the taxes. Is this guy up for reelection in Denver anytime soon?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, in fact, he was just elected not that long ago. So the reality is he’s got some more time. And I will say this, you know, hardcore lefties, They believe in all of this. They would give every immigrant double that amount of money, a true hardcore lefty. The problem is, though, even in Colorado and Denver, you’ve got a lot of folks that aren’t that hardcore on the left. And I think this is starting to wane on a lot of those individuals. Frankly, this is probably a podcast in and of itself. There’s a huge opportunity right now with what Trump just did to win the election. There’s a huge opportunity in a lot of local elections that will, in some cases, come up on an annual basis. The reality is I think the Republican Party conservatives have a grand opportunity to take advantage of some of these things that are going on. If they will. And one of the things Bob and I complain about a lot is just the whole marketing messaging strategy of the Republican Party. We have a grand gift sitting in front of us. Are we going to take advantage of it or not?
SPEAKER 03 :
I sure hope so, because you’re right. This is a golden opportunity. Momentum is actually in our favor. A lot of people in America are saying, you know something, maybe just maybe this wokeness and DEI and everything else, maybe this isn’t the way to go. Some big companies like John Deere, Walmart are scaling back their DEI initiatives as well. And so it does seem like, and by the way, and a lot of Americans are saying, hey, let’s tighten up the borders. Let’s, you know, and we do need to have mass deportations and such. So right now, momentum’s on the side of the Republicans. Somehow, some way, they have to make this generational and not just make this for the next four years. And the Democrat Party is going to figure out over the next couple of years how to rebrand themselves in time for the mid
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, the leaders, you know, the hardcore lefties that are in the party, they won’t. You can still continue to hear their, you know, the AOC’s mantra, nothing has changed since Trump won. But the leaders of and those that will be the strategists of, you know, the upcoming elections, Bob, to your point. Yeah. If you think that it’s going to be the same the next time around, Republicans, think again. They will come back hard and they will learn from the mistakes that were made this last election.
SPEAKER 05 :
100%. There was a major knee-jerk reaction in the midterms right after, two years after Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, and we’re likely to see the same kind of thing this time. But just last thing, and I’ll get off the subject, but on the day that it comes home to roost, in other words, on the day that metaphorically people are told, look, there’s only one package of ground beef left and two rolls of toilet paper, and we’re giving them to those guys over there, not you, even though you live here and you pay taxes and you’re a legal citizen of the United States, That’s when public opinion will shift dramatically in such a way that these people won’t be able to be reelected. I think we’re starting to see it in the polls right now, but I think it’s going to become a much bigger issue because it’s human nature to look out for your own. And I think that on that front, Republicans definitely clearly have the momentum.
SPEAKER 03 :
Although, you know what? AOC keeps getting reelected. Alvin Bragg gets elected. I mean, when you have hardcore lefty areas, they’re going to keep on – here in my own backyard, Rashida Tlaib, who is nuts, okay? She keeps getting reelected. So –
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there were some experts here in New York State saying that in two more election cycles, it’s possible New York could go red, which would be astounding. But I think it’s for the very reasons we’re describing. I think that there’s a loss of sanity and people want the sanity back, which is, I think, played into why Trump was elected. RFK, you mentioned he’s pro-abortion. I’m not sure it’s going to affect us much with him being the Secretary of Health and Human Services, should he be confirmed by the U.S. Senate. But we do have something we can do about the abortion issue, tangible things, every single day.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, there sure is. I mean, we can save babies’ lives by paying for ultrasound images for those moms to see pictures of their babies. Preborn shows these ultrasound images all over the country in pro-life centers. But it does take money to do this. And that’s why we’re asking you folks to provide the ultrasound images. Now, there’s two ways you can do this. You can buy an ultrasound machine. Or for a lesser cost, you can pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. If you buy an ultrasound machine, they’re $15,000 a piece. It’s a nice tax write-off for you. But your forever legacy is that you stopped literally thousands and thousands of abortions. Now, the lesser version is pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So how many babies lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. And that’s your forever legacy of the amount of abortions that you stopped. Either side, 100% goes to the ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. So go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there, or you can give over the phone, 833-850-BABY, and they answer 24-7, 833-850-BABY. Neil?
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Did you guys see that commercial?
SPEAKER 05 :
I did not, but I saw the photo of the commercial. Good Lord. What is that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Insane. Not a single car shown in there either. Nope. Total wokeness.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it’s going to be Dylan Mulvaney all over again. I think that’s a huge mistake on their part. We’ll see. Yes, it is. Okay, so… With this sentiment, with this idea that the world was kind of going crazy and like we need our sanity back. I want to ask about the mainstream media or what’s now referred to, I guess, is the legacy media. Is there going to be any reform whatsoever? Are the people… in Washington or in New York City that run ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, those groups, are they going to go, okay, you know what? I think shoving a narrative down the throats of people who can see through what we’re doing is not going to be a good strategy anymore. Bob, I’ll start with you. What do you think? I think that for their survival, they’re going to have to make some changes. Will they ever reform entirely? No, I don’t think so. But I think that we’re gonna see some different things because people are moving away from all of that and getting into podcasts and other alternative forms of media. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I do believe that certainly momentum is trending in the right direction right now. But I hate to sound like a wet blanket and sound like a defeatist, but I tend to think it’s temporary, that there’s a cyclical nature to this. And then before you know it, we’re going to have a thing where the Republicans are on the defensive and the Democrats and the liberals and the wokesters are suddenly gaining more momentum and they get back again. And I only say that because as a Christian, I recognize that things are going to get more and more ungodly in culture and society. We’re moving farther and farther away from God. So I do see the overall, the chart, I see the line going downhill, but it’s going downhill in a roller coaster kind of way. So there’s going to be temporary reversals. My best guess is, I hate to say it, I think we’re probably in a temporary reversal right now to temporarily slow the decline, but there’s no change in the fact that the decline is going to continue to happen. I’d say it. I think a few years from now, if not even a couple years from now, momentum has shifted back the other way. I could be wrong. I hope I am.
SPEAKER 02 :
And, Bob, I think that goes back to what we were talking about in the first half, and that is how well do conservatives, Christians, evangelicals, the party, how well do we do at responding to some of these things? And one of the podcasts I’d like to do in the not-too-distant future is just how does the church handle a lot of these things? They’ve got a grand opportunity to step in and do some things that, frankly, they haven’t done in decades. If we respond well, I think we can keep some of this reversal headed in that direction. But if we just go about our business as usual, Bob, you’re correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and unfortunately, I anticipate us for the most part going about our business as usual, because Trump, there’s no doubt he’s leading the Republican Party movement and direction right now. But you have we know this. You have a few House members and senators who will strongly get behind him. And then you have a bunch of others that support him, but they’re afraid to stick their necks out because of their constituents and the media. And then you have some that are just outright against him. So as he did his first time around, he may not have to fight alone quite as much this time around, but I don’t think he’s going to get the kind of wall of support, firewall of support that any Democrat will get from a unified Democrat party. I hate to say it.
SPEAKER 05 :
But like, how do you how do you what I’m looking for? What argument would you make then to say that that guys like Joe Rogan are just a flash in the pan? Because I don’t think the Joe Rogans or Ben Shapiro’s are going away. Even Elon Musk and the influence he’s had on X, you know, formerly known as Twitter. I think that there’s a hunger for like we don’t think we’re being told the truth and we’re going to look for other forms of media. That whole in fact, the younger generation that largely went for Trump or at least. unexplainably went for Trump. There’s a lot of people who were really shocked that young voters, in the numbers they did, went for Donald Trump. I think they do represent something for the future, which is why I think, I don’t believe, you’re right, Bob, things are cyclical, and who knows how long all of this is gonna last, but at least for now, I find real hope in that reality.
SPEAKER 03 :
I just think that- Yeah, I just think it’s temporary. Look, I agree with you. I just tend to think that it’s temporary.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. What about and Bob, we touched on this, I think, when you and I did the podcast last week. But I just wonder if you have any new thoughts or John, if you want to weigh in on this, if we’re going to see any kind of pushback from, you know, the liberals, from the people that may, you know, in the privacy of their own homes, be hugging teddy bears right now about the fact that Donald Trump was so resoundingly elected and that Kamala Harris was, you know, pushed aside, like, no, we don’t want her. We want Donald Trump. He wins the popular vote, the whole thing. Are we going to see any attempts to deny the election outright or to refuse to certify the election in any way? I don’t think so. Okay, because Joe Biden really seems like he’s making a big effort to emphasize peaceful transition of power as if they’re noble and look at how wonderful we are.
SPEAKER 02 :
I still think, and I said this a while back even to you guys, I still think there was a certain amount of Democrat elites that realized they had made a huge mistake with Joe initially made a huge, but he’s got all the power, by the way, in the Democrat Party, which has been shown over and over again, which again, we talked about on this program when nobody else was, give ourselves a little bit of credit there. On the same token, I think there’s some elites that realized that he was a mistake. Kamala was even a bigger mistake and then allowing her to actually run was probably the biggest mistake they’ve ever made and i’m not joking when i say that and i think some of these elites realize that you know what we need to lick our wounds go back to the drawing board figure out something better that we can handle for the midterms and again in 2028 and let’s come back stronger than ever because i think some of them have just resigned to the fact that yep trump’s going to be our guy for four years we’ll make it work it won’t be as bad as everybody thinks and we’ll regroup for 2028 that’s my thought
SPEAKER 05 :
I mentioned earlier Senator Ted Cruz predicts that every Trump appointee will be confirmed by the U.S. Senate. Of course, that would not include Matt Gaetz, who withdrew his own name from the hat.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank God.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, well, I mean, it was all baggage, man.
SPEAKER 02 :
I know, Bob, you and I will disagree on that one, but thank God. I’m with you, John.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s me and you against Bob. We win, two to one.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, well, you know, look, I’ve surrounded myself with wrong people before, and I’m happy to do it now.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a good one.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, I get what you’re saying about the baggage that comes with them. I get that, okay? And the votes weren’t going to be there, and so it just wasn’t going to happen. But will Pam Bondi take as big of a sledgehammer to the DOJ as Matt Gaetz would have? I don’t know. I hope so. I really hope so.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think Pam’s a lot more calculated than he is, and I think she will do just as well. Calculated but effective.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think she’ll do a great job.
SPEAKER 03 :
Pete Hegseth is on shaky ground.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s the name I wanted to bring up. All right, so what about Pete Hegseth? Everyone’s after him. Not just for the womanizing stuff, and there’s some pretty serious allegations there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Allegations.
SPEAKER 05 :
Allegations. Allegations about his – well, okay, but he’s got a baby from his mistress and that stuff. That’s not an allegation. That’s a baby. It’s a human being. The point is he has been accused of womanizing to a great deal, and some of it might just be speculation, but also alleged to have a drinking problem. And so now you’re right. He’s on shaky ground, or at least it looks like he is. So what about Pete Hegseth, Bob?
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. My guess is that behind the scenes, look, this is about vote counting. It really is. And so what’s happening behind the scenes is they’re talking to the weak links of the incoming senators who might be no votes. Right now, I guarantee you they’re counting the yes votes for Hegseth. And if they can get at least 50 for Hegseth, that would be enough with the new Congress, with the new Senate, because J.D. Vance would be the tie vote. So they can really afford to lose three Republican votes coming in. And they’re talking and they’re finding out right now.
SPEAKER 02 :
And if it turns out that the votes are going to be critical on that, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And if it turns out that that they’re not able to retain those votes, then they’re going to go to Hegseth and say, look, we don’t want to embarrass you by withdrawing your name. So you need to do basically the same thing that Gates did and just bow out yourself is DeSantis is next in line. I know. And you know what? That might not be a bad idea. DeSantis is Secretary of Defense. I mean, we’ll see.
SPEAKER 02 :
DeSantis in front of the camera. Not that Pete’s not good in front of the camera, because he’s been in front of the camera a ton. And Trump, by the way, has a fondness for those folks that are in front of the camera. I’m not sure quite why, but he loves TV personalities, because some of his picks, by the way, I wouldn’t have picked, but he did, I think, just because of that. But Yeah, all in all, can DeSantis do just as good a job as Pete can do? Yeah, I believe so. The question is, you know, what does that do for DeSantis’ future down the road? And I did not look to see how many years he’s got left in his term as governor of Florida.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, the other thing is what kind of military background does he have? I’m unfamiliar with that. Does he have anywhere near the kind of military experience that Pete Hegseth does? And people are arguing that he doesn’t have enough, but he certainly served.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t know. He was in the Navy, I believe, back in the day, was promoted to lieutenant. He was a legal advisor to the SEAL team. So he’s probably got on the admin end of things probably more experience than Pete has.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and he did serve in the Iraq War.
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct. So, yeah, so he’s got – He was in Guantanamo and some things along those lines as well. So he’s got probably more history that way than some of – well, than what Pete has as far as that goes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. He just – I’m looking up here. He won in 2018 the governorship. And so since he won in 2018, I think there are six-year terms –
SPEAKER 02 :
No, governors are four.
SPEAKER 03 :
Are they four?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, okay, if they’re four… So he’s getting close to the end then. If they’re four, then he would have had to run again then in 22.
SPEAKER 02 :
He did. And he won handily in 22, so he’s got two years left.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’d be up in 26, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
His victory speech after his victory in 22 caused me to think he might be the next Donald Trump or somebody that could step in and take the reins and… He’s for whatever reason, I mean, he’s got great policies. He’s just not super charismatic, not popular.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and we’ve talked about this, you know, again on this podcast as well. Had he handled some of his campaign better early on, he took some really bad advice, I believe, in his campaign. He’s liable to be the guy that Donald Trump is right now. And I say that really with a lot of enthusiasm because he was really, even polling-wise, trajectory was even better than Donald Trump at that time. And then his campaign just blew it.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Literally blew it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t have a lot to base this on, but my guess is Pete Hegseth will withdraw or that they’ll rescind the nomination or something. But I don’t see him making it. Do you guys think he’s going to make it through?
SPEAKER 03 :
I lean toward no.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Because he drops out or is voted down or what? Well, they know they’re not going to vote.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s not going to go to a vote if there’s a question about him being voted down. He would drop out because the vote counting would not be there. That’s what I think is probably going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really interesting to watch what happens with that whole thing because his hope was to get in there and blow up the way the military has been handled lately with all of the wokeism in the military and get back to having a strong military presence across the world. So we’ll see. Bob, pre-born, making it all possible for us to have these conversations but also saving thousands of babies’ lives every single year.
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SPEAKER 03 :
I actually do have something, okay? Next Sunday, the 25th, is when the Lions are playing the Bills. Here we go. And I’m just saying, Neal, this would be a horrible, horrible thing if you guys ruined it for the Lions because we seem to have the inside track. But you guys have a great chance of making it to the Super Bowl as well. So I’m kind of wondering if we’re maybe seeing a Super Bowl preview coming up next Sunday.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, let me just say this. John Rush plays into this because I think the Broncos play the Chiefs one more time. We do. We need somebody to beat the Kansas City— The Broncos, are they still a team?
SPEAKER 03 :
Are they still a team?
SPEAKER 02 :
We need someone. Actually doing very well, and if they play correctly, you know, the Chiefs are beatable. I mean, that’s been shown time and time again. Yeah, you’ve got to beat the 13th or, you know, the 12th man, I should say. 12th and 13th and 14th and 15th probably when it’s all said and done with the refs, but—
SPEAKER 05 :
reality is can denver beat them yes if they play right i think nobody beats the lions except the bills so what my point is i think we’re gonna win that game but that’s not gonna hurt you the lions are gonna be the nfc champ can the bills make it through the afc championship and they need home field advantage against the chiefs we always lose to them in the playoffs in kansas city so we just need denver to beat kansas city i think it’s the final game of the year And if we finish with even records, we’ve got the upper hand because we beat Kansas City during the regular season. So that could get the Bills into the Super Bowl. And then then you got a guaranteed first time winner because the Lions have never been there. Bills have been there four times, lost every time. And Bob, I would I would die for that kind of scenario. I would drive to Detroit to watch the game with you. I’m serious.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ll tell you what. Well, you know what? Here’s the only thing, okay? If the Lions – which, by the way, with conferences, I’m not sure how this works exactly. Could the Lions and the Bills be in the Super Bowl against each other? Or would they be in the – Yeah, absolutely. NFC, AFC. Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. You’re right. You’re right. Okay. Absolutely. Got to go, though. Got to go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Yeah. We’ll talk about it again. We will. We’ll talk about it. We’ll see. All right. Thanks for joining us, everybody. Next week, join us again, National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. Thanks for listening.
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