Join Kim Munson for an insightful discussion on the complexities of modern legislation and its impact on everyday citizens. In today’s episode, Kim is joined by Alan Thomas to unravel the challenges of navigating government policies and resolutions, emphasizing the balance between freedom and force. Hear compelling stories of inspiration, including a focus on the heroic deeds of Medal of Honor recipients, a true testament to courage and leadership.
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I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
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And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation. And welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You are each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Friday, Producer Joe. Happy Friday, Kim. And we have prerecorded for next week for Christmas week. And amazing guests, amazing interviews. You will not want to miss it. But we have worked very hard. And Joe, I really appreciate your hard work. Thank you.
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It’s my pleasure. It is actually just a lot of fun to do. It kind of feels like a hobby.
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That’s the best thing is to have a hobby that you get paid for, right?
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Exactly. Isn’t that the goal?
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That’s the goal. I think so. I think that’s true. Check out the website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You’ll get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. The text line is 720-605-0647. That’s 720-605-0647. 605-0647. I thank all of you who support us. We are an independent voice, which what that means is I purchase my airtime, and that means we have freedom in choosing our guests and our subject selection. And so I really appreciate all of you. And the show broadcasts 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. The second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that’s on all KLZ 560 platforms. KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app so you can listen anywhere in the world. And we do post the shows on my website the next day. Just go to the date and click on the image and that’ll bring up a written summary as well as the podcast is embedded there. And then once that happens, those podcasts are on the streaming services such as iTunes and Spotify. On the show, our goal is to search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it’s not compassionate to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, property, freedom, livelihood, opportunities, or lives. Force can be a weapon, but it can be policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the World Economic Forum. agenda, the globalist elites agenda. This is all connected to the United Nations, Colorado State Legislature, Colorado Governor, World Health Organization, land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements. The list goes on and on. So we’ve got to get government back in its proper role. And I am so thrilled to have in studio with me my friend, author here at the Kim Munson Show, and that’s Alan Thomas.
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It’s great to be here, Kim. Man, if that list truly was as long as it needs to be, we wouldn’t even get to the show this morning, would we?
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I know. Government is way out of its lane right now. And, Alan, what I think is going to happen is, well, we’ll talk about the continuing resolution here in a little bit, but I think that… Everyone, in a way, had a sigh of relief that Trump was elected versus the, oh, Biden, Harris, you know, headed towards socialism and communism. But this whole, well, let’s talk about it. The continuing resolution, which was the spending bill, and apparently we’re right up against the wire again. And if it wasn’t passed, they’d shut the government down. And it looked like it was going to pass. You’re a little more informed on that.
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A little bit. But, you know, it’s unsurprising, I suppose, that, again, we’re up to the wire, right? That seems to be how all these continuing resolutions seem to be. We can’t pass a budget in I don’t know how many years. Can you remember when the last time we actually passed a budget actually was? I don’t. So, you know, it’s unsurprising that, again, it’s going to be used for political purposes. The surprising part was that Trump kind of crushed the deal at the 11th hour even though him and Johnson had been in communication and had worked out that deal and so we’ll see what happens it’s always one of those what’s the political benefit of it you know and like we said as we were walking in if Trump is wanting to get rid of the debt ceiling as a part of this continuing resolution well I can’t see Democrats giving him a blank check and as a pretty principled conservative I don’t want that either so I know
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I know. So I’m very concerned about this. And the government’s been shut down before. And as somebody said on one of the shows last night, they shut down on the weekends and they shut down on all the holidays. So we should be able to function, I think.
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We will function. It’s just it’s an aspect of is this is this the political fight he wants to be fighting right when he gets into office? Because as soon as he’s sworn in, he’s going to have this sitting front and center. And was this the best use of his political capital to to have a continuing resolution, a government shutdown while he’s being sworn in? Or would have been more politically expedient for him to focus on some of the other things that we that many Americans elected him to do?
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Yeah, good point. And you’re so astute on all that. So we’ll continue the discussion on all this. I wanted to get to, first of all, the word of the day. And it is redemption. That’s spelled R-E-D-E-M-P-T-I-O-N. And it could be the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. And they gave an example of God’s plans for the redemption of this world. It could be some synonyms are vindication, absolution. And then the last one is the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment or clearing a debt. And so the birth of Christ, Christ came to redeem the world, to give each of us redemption. And so I thought that was a great word of the day.
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It’s an excellent word of the day. And, you know, it’s the reason for the season, right? And that’s why later we’ll be telling some fun Christmas stories about that. And one of them is, oh, holy night and just the beautiful birth of Jesus and why he was sent to the world for all of us.
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And so we’ll feature that in segments three and four. Since it is Friday, this is when we take a quote from the Medal of Honor quote book that has been created by the Center for American Values. And be sure and check out the Center for American Values. They are located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. And they honor our Medal of Honor recipients and then these great educational programs to really put forth these foundational values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. But our quote for today is from David H. McNerney and the United States Army Medal of Honor. He was born in 1931. He died in 2010. These were actions taken on 22 March 1967. It says, First Sergeant McNerney distinguished himself with his unit when his unit was attacked by a North Vietnamese battalion near Polai Doc. Running through the hail of enemy fire to the area of heaviest contact, he was assisting in the development of a defensive perimeter when he encountered several enemy at close range. He killed the enemy but was painfully injured when blown from his feet by a grenade. In spite of this injury, he assaulted and destroyed an enemy machine gun position that had pinned down five of his comrades beyond the defensive line. Upon learning his commander and artillery forward observer had been killed, he assumed command of the company. He adjusted artillery fire to within 20 meters of the position in a daring measure to repulse enemy assaults. When the smoke grenades used to mark the position were gone, he moved into a nearby clearing to designate the location to friendly aircraft. In spite of enemy fire, he remained exposed until he was certain the position was spotted and then climbed into a tree and tied the identification panel to its highest branches. now and he’s injured remember that oh my gosh okay then he moved among his men readjusting their position encouraging the defenders and checking the wounded as the hostile assaults slackened he began clearing a helicopter landing site to evacuate the wounded When explosives were needed to remove large trees, he crawled outside the relative safety of his perimeter to collect demolition material from abandoned rucksacks. Moving through a fusillade of fire, he returned with the explosives that were vital to clearing the landing zone. Disregarding the pain of his injury and refusing medical evacuation, First Sergeant McNerney remained with his unit until the next day when the new commander arrived. First Sergeant McNerney’s outstanding heroism and leadership were inspirational to his comrades. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army and reflect great credit upon himself and the armed forces of this country.
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I don’t know what else.
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It borders on the unbelievable if people didn’t see it. Truly what all of these Medal of Honor recipients have is just you could truly make a Hollywood movie out of it, every single one of them.
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And you would say that’s impossible. And it’s amazing. So, again, oh, I didn’t even give his quote. Hey, Joe, you’re supposed to help me remember to do that, you know, because I get into these stories and I forget.
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My bad. Yeah.
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So this is what he said. The most important possession you have is your name. Never dishonor it. And that’s David H. McNerney. And let’s see. Let’s go ahead and let’s go to break because when we come back, I’ve got some interesting this day in history because it was during this time the Battle of the Bulge is being fought. and during in world war ii and we have these discussions because of our sponsors and the roger mangan state farm insurance team is a great sponsor of the show and give them a call and make a an appointment it’s complimentary and go through your insurance coverage so that you’re sure that you know what you have and that you have exactly what you want so give them a call at 303-795-8855 like a good neighbor the roger mangan team is there
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It’s right.
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Indeed, it is Friday and welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for a weekly email newsletter and you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I had mentioned the Center for American Values because we had shared this quote from Medal of Honor recipient David McNerney. But make sure that you check out their website. That is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And also wanted to mention Hooters Restaurants. We’re getting into the bowl games. It’s a great place to get together. They’ll have all the games there and they’ve got great specials for lunch and happy hour, Monday through Friday. And so be sure and check that out. And Alan Thomas, you’re in studio here and you’re probably getting pretty excited about all these bowl games, yes?
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Well, my team isn’t in it, but it’ll be pretty exciting. It’s a new playoff format. So we’ll see how that all works out.
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Oh, it is? Oh, is that where they have the national?
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There’s 12 teams in it now. So it’s a whole bracket now for college football. So we got a lot of games now through January 20th, I believe, is the national championship game.
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Oh, really? Okay.
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Yeah.
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And then what? The Super Bowl then is in February. Is that right?
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I think so. Yeah. OK, so there’ll be a lot of football between now and now in the beginning of the year for sure.
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Well, you want to watch that all at Hooters restaurants. So be sure and check that out again. Five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster and Colorado Springs. Let’s get over here to this day in history. I found this kind of interesting. 1192, Richard the Lionhearted captured near Vienna by Leopold of Austria on his way home from the Third Crusade. He was released two years later. I don’t know all that history. Do you know that?
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No, I haven’t really studied that part. No, that’s interesting. I mean, that’s Robin Hood, right?
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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Oh, and you did that great piece about that great essay regarding.
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Oh, the sheriff in Nottingham.
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Yeah, which was who Michael Johnston wanted to be. So great. So check that out at my website as well. This now I was in the clothing business for many, many years, the ladies clothing business. And there were things and innovations that changed things. Textile manufacturing is so fascinating, what they’ve been able to do with different textiles. But this is something that really changed things for women in 1790. The first successful U.S. cotton mill began spinning yarn in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, built by Samuel Slater based on Richard Arkwright’s design. All these innovations started to change things. Because in those days, everyday people didn’t have very many clothes. I actually do have a lot of clothes because I was in that business. But regular people didn’t. And so these were the things that started to change all that. So creativity and innovation, 1803. The French flag is lowered in New Orleans to mark the formal transfer of the Louisiana purchase from France to the USA. Purchase for, do you know how much?
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Pennies on the dollar, that’s for sure.
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$15 million. Huh. This is interesting. 1820, Missouri imposes a $1 bachelor tax on unmarried men aged between 21 and 50. Huh. Huh. Is that the proper role of government?
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Probably not, but it’s definitely true that women make single men better. That’s true.
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That’s true. Although some of these millennial women that we see on television.
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It’s tough out there, and I know several single men in that age range, and I hear the stories and the entitlement and just everything. It shocks me. It makes me very, very happy to have the most wonderful wife in the world.
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And yes, she is. Okay, 1879, Thomas Edison privately demonstrated the, again, creativity, innovation. 1919, U.S. House of Representatives restricts immigration laws. You think that maybe we might, the Biden-Harris administration might have learned something from that. 1924, this is the, you know, the left, they never sleep. They never give up. Adolf Hitler was, in 1924, was freed from jail early, having served only nine months of his five-year sentence for his beer hall putsch, P-U-T-S-C-H.
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1924. 1924.
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So then we fast forward into World War II. 1941, Japanese troops land on Mindano, Philippines. Now just think about the time frame. December 7th, 1941, Hawaii is bombed, and here they are now invading the Philippines. So they were planning on this. 1941, World War II, the first battle of the American Volunteer Group, better known as the Flying Tigers in Kunming, China. And then this story, 1944, this is so famous, the Battle of Bastogne. The Nazis have surrounded the 101st Airborne. And the Battle of the Bulge began on December 16th. And although outnumbered, the regiments of the 28th Infantry Division delayed the German advance towards Bastogne. allowing American units, including the 101st Airborne Division, to reach Bastogne before the German forces surrounded the town and isolated it on 20 December. Until 23 December, the weather prevented Allied aircraft from attempting to resupply Bastogne or from performing ground attack missions against German forces. The siege was lifted on 26 December when a spearhead of the 4th Armored Division and other elements of General George Patton’s 3rd Army opened a corridor to Bastogne. And the Americans prayed for clear skies, and they finally got it. But this is the famous story. It says General Anthony Clement McAuliffe was born in 1898, died in 1975, was a senior United States Army officer who earned fame as the acting commander— of the 101st Airborne defending Bastogne, Belgium, during the Battle of the Bulge. So they’re surrounded. And apparently the Germans send two Germans in with a white flag because they are going to ask for the Americans’ surrender. And when… He was given the request. He said, nuts. And then they’re talking. He says, well, how should we respond? And one of his guys under his command said, I think you said it. And so they wrote down nuts, sent it back, and they did not surrender. And the rest is history.
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That’s amazing and truly American when you think about it in every way.
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It is. It is. So just there were three other things I found interesting. 1946, the Christmas classic It’s a Wonderful Life premieres in New York. 1956, Montgomery, Alabama removes race based seat assignments on its buses. 1990, the world’s first website and server go live at CERN, C-E-R-N. And in 2019, the United States Space Force was founded, an armed forces branch dedicated to space warfare. I think that’s super interesting stuff.
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Yeah, this is a super interesting day in history for sure.
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I know. And I do this, Alan, because I think it’s important that we understand, just think about all these different things that have come before us so that we can then maybe get hard from that as we look into the future. Sure.
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You know, they always say, if you don’t learn from history, you’re doomed to repeat it, right? Because history definitely echoes throughout the generations. And we aren’t here just randomly, right? There was lots of people that made decisions well before us that have shaped our lives and what we do.
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Well, and when I say that we were made for this moment, we’re in such an interesting time in history. And I did an interview with Marley Hornig, one of the co-founders of United Sovereign Americans that we broadcast next week. And they’ve really been in this fight regarding making sure that our elections are free, fair, honest, and transparent. And I said, I really think that we are in the third founding of our country. And that’s why it is so historical here. We’re in this battle of ideas on what will America, as she was founded with these rights from God of life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, that we’re all created equal, is that going to continue? or not. And it’s up to us. And so that’s why the great work that you’re doing with all these essays and us kicking the tires on these ideas and helping all of our listeners get their brains around it so that they can engage in this battle of ideas is so important, Alan.
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It really is. And, you know, it’s kind of interesting looking at our founding about the different, you know, you say the third founding. You know, the first one was what type of government are we even going to have and what should that look like? There was a lot of debate between should the states be sovereign or should we have separate confederacies that just kind of get along similar to like the European model, right? And so we solve that question. But they really punted the slavery question to later. Right. I mean, it was a it was a huge contentious deal. And and they really punted it at the time because they saw the need to be one country before Britain wanted to come back, which they didn’t. did in 1812 and and luckily we we fended them off again so we had that second founding that abraham lincoln was really a part of and it’s it’s kind of interesting you know dr tom cranwitter really argues that uh progressivism started with that civil war it was people looking around saying hey this isn’t right this is so much death destruction um maybe this founding um Maybe this idea of the American Constitution and Declaration isn’t a good idea. And so that progressivism has been creeping into our society since that really second founding of Abraham Lincoln. And we are now full-blown in this war of ideas against this progressive model and this idea of is there even truth? What is it? And what is the proper role of government? And it’s really critical because for… For a while, we’ve kind of allowed this brilliant idea of the Declaration to just sit there and say, well, obviously people can see it. Obviously, it’s a good idea. And we haven’t really fought for it the proper way. And I think people are really beginning to see the effects that progressivism in our culture really has. And it’s very detrimental.
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It is very detrimental, and I’m very encouraged, but it is a real battle of ideas. And with the election of Donald Trump, I think people breathed a sigh of relief that perhaps this progressive march towards socialism and communism has at least been stopped. You and I are both, I think, a little frustrated to hear that this debt is not sustainable. We talk about sustainability all the time. This is not sustainable. And no debt ceiling. I certainly am concerned about it. But what I think is going to happen is Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, J.D. Vance, Donald Trump, there’s a lot of focus on the federal government. The progressive communism socialism model, they are going to double down at the local, at the county, and the state level. And so I want to give you an example. We didn’t get to talk about this, and Lakewood was first, and now Denver City Council. It says Denver City Council, this is from the Denver Post, could join Lakewood in clamping down on gas stations in 2025 despite industry pushback. One of the great things about everyday people is their freedom of mobility, to be able to go where they want to, when they want to. With freedom of mobility, you have more employment options, but the progressives want us to live in apartments and ride around on trains and buses and walk, and they don’t want us to have freedom of mobility. And the internal combustion engine offers that. And so here you have Lakewood, they said that we’re not going to have any new gas stations in Lakewood. Now Denver is saying the same thing. So you see this, this is going to happen at the local level. So we’ve got a lot of work to do, Alan.
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And they really tipped their hat a while ago, didn’t they? I mean, when we talked about the Soros-funded DAs all throughout the country, I mean, they have seen that this local politics really has a lot of control. And that’s by design, right? Our country was designed for the federal government to be very inefficient. And fortunately for us, it for the most part still even is, as we’ve seen with this continuing resolution. It’s very inefficient. It’s very difficult to get enough votes to push legislation through, even when you’re in a majority. So they’ve been going after this local level for a while. And it’s time that we wise up as well and really start pushing back because the founders wanted to give that control locally. They wanted to say, hey, you know, you’re in charge of your neighborhood. You’re in charge of your street. You’re in charge of your state. So don’t mess it up.
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So quick question for you, Alan. So when I was on city council, we talk about local control. And in the Constitution, it says that whatever is not given to the federal government, it goes to the states but to the people. But there was – well, it’s the whole Hooters story. And that is where PBIs were deciding which businesses – They wanted in which they didn’t. That’s not the proper role of government. But I had pushback with people saying, if we don’t want X business in our city, then we shouldn’t have to have that. And I said, wait a minute. Every business, legitimate business, must be treated impartially and equally. You can’t, if we look at the vision of the declaration, government can’t be picking winners and losers. So you can’t do it at the federal level, but Alan, I think that even at the local level, if you have control, but you still have to adhere to this vision of the declaration, there are people that push back on that with me.
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Well, and that’s the brilliance of what they did, right, is you could have that virtue locally if you wanted. The fact that you could have you could say, hey, we don’t want a strip club in our neighborhood is a perfectly valid local concern as long as. Locally, you all agree with it, right? But nationally, that’s not what you want to do. But you do, as you said, you do run the risk of, hey, if you push X business out of here, then there’s economic consequences and other municipalities, other states, other counties will be able to look and say, hey, was that good? Did that actually work out for them? Is that what they want to do? And we’re seeing it with marijuana, aren’t we? Like we’re seeing that locally, there are a lot of states and municipalities that are saying, hey, we want this here. We want to do this. So we’re going to allow that freedom. And now we’re seeing a lot of the consequences of that action. And we’re able to look and see. And, you know, a lot like Texas, Missouri, Mississippi, they’re able to say, hey, is what Colorado and Washington did, is that good for their state? You know, has that been a net positive for them? Is that freedom actually a good thing? And they’re able to adjust their thinking about these sorts of controls based on what they see from others. So it’s it’s a good thing to have that experimentation. And it’s a good thing for people to be able to control their neighborhood now. Of course, your point is, where does it get out of control? And that’s always going to be the question locally is, at what point are we giving our local governments too much control over our lives? And that’s always something we need to be willing and able to push back on. which has become difficult in the progressive state because they’ve got so much power that they can pick winners and losers, even if it’s a Hooters or even if it’s a Christian-based organization. Now they’re starting to really use that power and go a little wild with it.
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So, and that’s why I took the stand. And regarding Hooters restaurants, the whole thing was whether or not they, and again, I don’t think this is necessarily the proper role of government, but to issue a liquor license. The location had been a restaurant. It had liquor license, you know, a zone for a restaurant. So there was no reason to not issue that particular liquor license because I was concerned. This was pre-COVID. What happens if you start to have government determine which businesses are essential and which aren’t? And so realizing you’ve got to stand for freedom. You just have to stand for freedom. Then you fast forward into COVID and you had government choosing which businesses were essential and which aren’t. And so we’ve got to stand for freedom. And so that’s the stand I took.
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Well, and if I could maybe help clarify that just a little bit, you are wanting everyone to play by the same rules, right? If a legitimate business applied for a liquor license, why should we get to pick and choose which ordinance applies where? And that’s a very fair rule of law stance to take to say, hey, why do you get to say this business is good and this business is legitimate, but not that one? Like if we’re going to have economic parity, we should be able to apply the rules to everybody and we should all be playing by the same game. And that’s not fair to take one rule and say, hey, this one, yeah, technically you’re playing by the game the right way, but we just don’t like you. So we’re going to penalize you for it. And that’s the problem that you saw with this Hooters restaurant. And that’s why it was important for you to take that stand was saying, hey, there’s nothing illegitimate about this business. We got to let them play by the same rules.
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Exactly. Well said. Well said. And these are such important discussions, and I want to talk about these Christmas stories, but I do want to address one other thing that you mentioned. So we’re going to go to break. I’m talking with Alan Thomas, and we will be rolling out your essay this weekend in beautiful Christmas stories, right? That’s going to be that. And all this happens because of our sponsors. For everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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It is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for a weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And check out the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation’s website, U.S. MC Memorial Foundation dot org. and make a contribution before the end of the year. And it’s so important to honor those that have given their lives, been willing to give their lives, and a great way to do that is to contribute to the USMC Memorial Foundation. Alan Thomas is in studio, and we’re gonna get to these beautiful Christmas stories, but I have these other things that I just have to run by you. You mentioned strip clubs in a community. And it has gone all the way to the Supreme Court that municipalities cannot outlaw strip clubs. It’s a freedom of speech issue was the decision. But so what happens is each municipality has to have a zoning where they can have adult-orientated businesses. I think that’s what it’s called. Oh, gosh. Anyways, it’s adult kind of businesses. And so every particular city has to have some place zoned for that. And so that way they are not going against the Supreme Court. so every city has that uh lone tree has that and um so there’s this sexual it’s called sexually orientated businesses is what it’s called and so now and and i’ve actually reached out to the county commissioners on this is when we have had these drag queen shows at libraries or the county fairgrounds or at the rec centers, there’s been this threat of lawsuit and so many of these elected representatives cave because they’re afraid of a lawsuit and they go ahead and let these sexually orientated drag queen performances go on. And I said, listen, I don’t think that the Douglas County Fairgrounds is zoned as a sexually orientated business. And I think that you could say no to these drag queen shows under that. And I have not had one elected representative bite on that.
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Hmm. I mean, the threat of lawsuit and the threat of all of this is part of the problem, right? They’re very scared of that. And there’s also, to be honest, Colorado’s difficult right now. I mean, there’s the very real problem of them being worried they’re not going to get reelected and that there might not be community support behind it. So that’s why it’s important to talk to your elected representative and voice those very same concerns. That way they know that there’s support for these sorts of issues. Yeah. It reminds me of this story, too, by this—and I forget the particulars of where or when, but there was a church that was really trying to make a difference in their community. And this is the role that we as Christians can play using the free market. And they had this whole section of this city that was very known for— sexually oriented crimes, strip clubs, things like that. And what the elders decided to do was to buy the building. Now the problem was the building owner had a pre-existing lease with these strip clubs for several years. So they, by law, were required to own the building where these strip clubs were. And the church elders got a lot of flack for this, but they said, trust us, we have a plan. And as soon as the lease was up, they non-renewed their lease and turned that whole neighborhood around because they were willing to have the bravery to own a strip club in their building for several years, knowing that, Once their lease was up, they were going to change the purpose of that property. So it was kind of an interesting story about how we can use freedom still as Christians to change neighborhoods as long as we know that we have a longer term goal. And so it’s just kind of a beautiful story about how to change a neighborhood and change a neighborhood’s virtue legally and using the freedom principles.
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And the other thing is, is they honored the contract. And contract is a very important thing on the American idea as well. So that’s super interesting. Two other things that I wanted to mention to you regarding local government, where I said that I’m concerned. This is where the fight’s going to be, my friends. And it’s actually more difficult because there’s the study sessions and there’s the meetings and they have all these different commissions. But this is from the Washington Post. A California campaign manager said, is arrested and charged as a Chinese agent. And this was a campaign manager for a local office. So, you know, hold on there. And then this also. The Denver School Board – this is from the Denver Post. The Denver School Board is set to decide Thursday whether to further restrict the public’s ability – to comment in front of the board by reducing the time that individuals, speakers can address the elected directors who govern Colorado’s largest school district and in which the taxpayer just gave them a whole bunch more money.
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I mean, we’ve seen our own issues in Douglas County with our commissioners to restricting public access to speak to them, too. And it’s it’s a serious problem. And it’s it’s one we need to highlight because the voters of those districts need to vote them out and say, if you do this, sayonara.
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Yeah. And so, yeah, local. So we’re going to I want to start something called Doge Colorado, Doge Douglas County, Doge Lone Tree. I want to work on all that. So there’s so many things to do in this next year. Let’s go to break just a little early so that we can come back and talk about your great Christmas or your beautiful Christmas stories. All this happens because of our sponsors and a great source of protein. And also for that steakhouse experience at home. Check out Lavaca Meat Company.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Alan Thomas is in studio, author at The Kim Munson Show. And I can’t believe that it’s December 20th, tomorrow’s the shortest day of the year. Christmas is right around the corner. You’ve got some beautiful Christmas stories that we’ll highlight in your essay, but where do you want to start?
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Well, you know, I just want to start. It’s pretty awesome having a four-year-old right now in Christmas, getting to see the excitement and just the joy and the magic of it all. And, you know, sometimes it’s easy when you get a little bit older to lose some of that joy, that passion, that beautiful aspect of Christmas. And We were in our church and our church is doing a series on Christmas songs. And the singers got up and they were telling this story about O Holy Night. And it’s one of my wife’s favorites. Every time we sing it, she always starts crying. It’s a beautiful song. And they kind of in a passing comment said it actually has an anti-abolish effect. abolitionist, uh, verse in it. And it, it just sparked me. And I was like, wow, you know, Christianity is so beautiful. Freedom is so brilliant. And I wanted to kind of pass that along. That really inspired me to, to find some of these beautiful Christmas stories and maybe pass them along and, and reignite some of that joy and beauty of the season. So, um, O Holy Night, it’s kind of got a very interesting past. It was actually a French song originally, and it was written by a part-time poet in France. I’m going to mess up his name, but it’s Placide Capot. And he actually had connections to a pretty famous composer named Adolph Adams, who came up with the song and made the poem more into lyrics. Now, when you read the direct French translation, there’s a lot of theological issues. Like, France and the Catholic Church did not like that version of the song. But in 1855, a Unitarian minister named John Dwight heard the song, thought it was beautiful, and took very liberal use of translating it into American, which is how we actually ended up with a pretty beautiful song. Luckily, a little bit more theologically consistent. But where him and this part-time French poet both agreed was in the third verse when, you know, 1855, we’re talking about abolition around that time, especially here in our country. And this is how the third verse goes. Truly he taught us to love one another. His law is love and his gospel is peace. Chains shall he break for the slave is our brother and in his name all oppression shall cease. Sweet hymns of joy and grateful chorus raise we. Let all within us praise his holy name. And I just thought that was beautiful. You know, the fact that we as Christians know that everyone is created in God’s image. And certainly while there were those that were not portraying Christ truly and used the Bible to justify slavery, really there was a strong Christian element to say, hey, this isn’t right. You know, this isn’t right to hold people in chains. We are all made in God’s image. We all deserve to be free. And I just thought that was a beautiful verse. And a lot of times when we hear the song, very rarely do you get to hear that for the later verses. And that’s just I don’t know. I just I thought it was beautiful.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. And again, going back to get this history on the song, bring will bring even more meaning as we hear that this this Christmas season. What’s the next song?
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So the next one is actually a story that probably everybody knows about, but a true underdog story in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. So it has also a very interesting story, but more important than this story about this reindeer that has a defect and a red nose that lights up, is actually the story behind it. And actually in this corporate America, it’s quite beautiful actually. So there was this company called the Montgomery Ward Company. It was very successful. And one of the things they did every year was give out coloring books to the tune of well over a million coloring books to all their guests. Well, that got quite expensive because they were actually buying them and then giving them out for free. So what they decided to do is, hey, why can’t we do something ourselves? It’ll be a little bit cheaper. We’ll do it in-house, save a little bit of money, but still continue this tradition of giving our guests something. Well, there’s this gentleman called Robert L. May. He was a copywriter. but he had aspirations of being a writer. And so kind of down on his luck, not exactly what he saw doing his whole life, but he came up with limericks and he was good at writing little children’s stuff. And so they said, Hey, you’re pretty good at what you do. Do you want to take a stab at creating a Christmas story or something for us to do this Christmas? And so he jumped into it full time. And ironically, he also had a four-year-old at the time and he, uh, He used his life story and really the story of the ugly duckling to create this underdog triumphing through Rudolph. And he, you know, it’s a limerick, so it kind of rhymes. And so he worked with it very closely with his four-year-old daughter until he really liked it. And he brought it to his boss, and his boss said, I’m not too sure. I’m not sure this is quite the vision that we had. Well… Robert May was pretty convinced that he had something. He created something beautiful. So he has a story. He has this story. He’s created this Rudolph story for the Montgomery Ward Company for their Christmas promotion. And his boss initially says, he reads the story and he goes, I’m not so sure.
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So were they going to create a storybook or something that they were going to give out?
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Right. That was the idea because they were giving out coloring books. So they wanted something similar to do. So he went to his art department and found somebody there and said, hey, come with me to the zoo. I need sketches for this story. And I just believe in it so much. Let’s figure this out. So he gets his art department to go get some sketches together, brings it to his boss. His boss says. Okay, I think I see what you’re going with here. The sketches kind of completed the story for him. And that year they printed 2.4 million copies of the Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. And it was wildly successful. So this is around… By 1946, they had printed six million copies of the book, which is really important because there were actually paper shortages because of the war at that time. So six million copies is incredible, right? Well, Montgomery Ward owned the rights to the story completely. It was an in-house produced story. And since the time he wrote the story to 1946, May tragically was widowed and strapped with a lot of medical debt because his wife had a terminal illness. So he was really, really down on his luck. And that’s when he approached the CEO, Sewell Avery, and he said, listen, can Can I just get something? You know, I created this story. It’s wildly popular. I know I don’t deserve it. Like, obviously you own the rights, but can I just get a small fraction of the profits? And something we don’t see often in corporate America, the CEO, again, Sewell Avery, can’t say his name enough because this is so beautiful. He signed the rights to the story over free of charge and completely to Robert L. May. But the story gets even better. So Robert May takes the rights to this story. He then markets it. It’s now the second most popular song that’s behind White Christmas. His brother-in-law actually was the first one to sing it and make it popular. So for the next seven years, he kind of took the business, quote unquote, if you will, of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and made it very profitable. turned his life around, absolutely took that gift that the Montgomery Ward CEO gave him and changed his life. But in a true act of loyalty, after seven years, once he figured out that this story was going to kind of run all by itself, he actually returned to work for Montgomery Ward as a copywriter for 13 more years. Just because he saw that loyalty they gave him and he wanted to return it in kind. And so just just kind of a beautiful story there about some Christmas cheer, if you will.
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I never knew that. That’s that’s amazing. And of course, then the movie that we watch every year as well. That’s amazing. OK, just a teaser for the last one then.
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A teaser for the last one. So this one was actually in World War I, so probably a little bit more known than the other two. Again, shows the just brilliance and the humanity that music can have with us. And this story is so unbelievable that actually many questioned its authenticity even today, but there’s pictures of it. Around Christmas, that first year, 1914, everybody kind of believed this war was going to go quickly, right? They believed they’d be over. They believed, actually, many believed they’d be back by Christmas. But at the front lines, there was trenches, and there’s this area called No Man’s Land, right, where you don’t want to stand up in the trenches. You’re going to get hit by a bullet. These two warring sides, the British and the French, across the line is the Germans, and it’s Christmas Eve. And the Germans had a couple of Christmas trees up along the front lines just because they’re in the Christmas spirit. They’re away from their family. They’re feeling the longing. And both sides are pretty bummed that they have to be there when across the lines, the German side start singing Silent Night. And the British side hears this, and they start to join in. And both sides start caroling. And eventually, they start shouting at each other. And one side says, hey, tomorrow, if you don’t shoot, I won’t shoot. And what became, it was a very informal truce. The very next day, the German side and the British side met in No Man’s Land for Christmas. Now, this wasn’t across the whole front line. There were obviously parts that still were warring. But for a small moment, I don’t think we’ve ever seen it since, in the middle of a war, an informal truce happened on Christmas of 1914 just because both sides got to singing and got inspired by the spirit of Christmas. So… A pretty beautiful story there as well. Just, you know, when you see the humanity in the other side, when you can see them as people, it can change your whole world. And, you know, obviously they fought the day before. The day after Christmas, all the high command came in and said, no more of this. We need to get back to what we’re doing. No more peace. No more truces. There’ll be no fraternizing with the enemy. But for one day they came together and played soccer. or football, if you will, at that part of the world and came together for Christmas and had a truce during Christmas of 1914.
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Well, be sure and check out our website and be sure you’re signed up for our weekly newsletter because we’ll publish that piece this Sunday. Ellen Thomas, thank you so much. And I know you’re going to stay for the next hour, but Merry Christmas to you and yours. Merry Christmas to you as well. And our quote for the end of the show is the quote from General Anthony Clement McAuliffe when he was presented with the request by the Germans in World War II to surrender. Nuts. So, my friends, today be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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It’s the Kim Munson Show. Analyzing the most important stories.
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An early childhood taxing district? What on earth is that?
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The latest in politics and world affairs.
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I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
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Today’s current opinions and ideas.
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And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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indeed let’s have a conversation welcome to our number two of the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment in history thank you to the team that’s producer joe luke rachel zach echo charlie mike theresa and all the people here at crawford broadcasting happy friday producer joe happy friday kim we have been working like maniacs uh pre-recording for christmas week amazing interviews amazing guests so be sure and check that out next week and um we search for truth and clarity uh as looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force force versus freedom if something’s a good idea you should not have to use force to implement it and on the show we focus on the issues not the personalities now we will talk about the people that are pushing forward issues. But we’re trying to stay out of the eighth grade girl fighting, which I didn’t like eighth grade that much back then, and I don’t like it that much now. And so I try to stay out of that. In studio with me is Alan Thomas, and we’ll be rolling out your piece, Beautiful Christmas Stories, this weekend. So it’s great to have you here for the second hour.
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It’s always great being here.
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And Kurt Gerwitz is in studio as well. Professor Gerwitz, great to have you. We’ll be talking about Doge and different agencies. So this is going to be interesting.
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I’m looking forward to it, Kim.
SPEAKER 20 :
Absolutely. So great to have you guys here. And Alan, I think you and I both agree. We really don’t like the eighth grade girl fighting. But man, politics is the epitome. And we have guys that act like eighth grade girls.
SPEAKER 02 :
We have politics is pretty much just, you know, eighth grade and not just girls. I mean, eighth grade was not a fun time for me either. There was a lot of restrictions on the playground and bullies, really, you know, and the easiest way to do that is drag somebody’s name through the mud.
SPEAKER 20 :
yeah yeah yeah i know that’s what they do in politics what is it a politics or the word politics comes from uh the two uh well two different parts the first is poly meaning many and the other is ticks which is a blood-sucking insect so okay gentlemen um let’s get into it here first of all i want to say thank you to laramie energy For their goal sponsorship of the show, it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources from oil, gas, natural gas, coal that powers our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. Our word of the day is redemption. And I chose that because Christmas is here and Christ came to redeem the world. And so the word is redemption, R-E-D-E-M-P-T-I-O-N. It is a noun. It could be the action or saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil, as in God’s plans for the redemption of his world. And the other is the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment or clearing a debt. And so your challenge is to use the word of the day in a sentence today. And again, that word is redemption, R-E-D-E-M-P-T-I-O-N. Our quote of the day since it’s Friday, I go to the Medal of Honor quote book that’s been published by the Center for American Values, and the center is located in Pueblo. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there were four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. And do check out the center, and I’d really recommend you take the children down there sometime over Christmas break to Pueblo. Go to the center, and then there’s great restaurants around there as well. but this is the quote from david h mcnerney he was born in 1931 died in 2010 these are actions that he took on 22 march 1967 and he said the most important possession you have is your name never dishonor it my father said that all the time to me as well and again the most important possession you have is your name never dishonor it and uh Let’s see here. We went through this day in history in the first hour. We talked about the Denver City Council is… considering preventing new gas stations joining Lakewood. And so this is part of this whole Green New Deal, if you will, and that is to take away our options to be able to drive gas-powered vehicles. They want to make it more and more inconvenient. And, Alan, I mentioned it, and we talked about it in the first hour, is – There seems to be a relief that Donald Trump has been elected, hopefully to thwart this movement on the federal level towards progressivism, socialism, communism, that was the focus of the O’Biden-Harris administration. But we’re going to see then things doubling down at the local, the county, and the state level. So with Denver and with Lakewood saying they’re not going to have new gas stations, you can see that they’re pushing that agenda, Alan.
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They are, and we’ll have to be very strict. It was great that Trump got elected, but this isn’t going to turn around in four years. We have to take a much more long-term approach towards renewing the proper role of government. So this was a great election, but also there’s only so much you can do in four years, and political time moves rather slowly as well.
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We’ve got a lot, a lot, a lot of work to do.
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We do.
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Hey, good morning, everybody. And, Ellen, good morning to you, and happy holidays to everyone. I don’t know your other guests, but I’ve written a holiday poem, and I’d just like to say a quick couple of things about Lavaca Meat. If there’s still time, if you’ve got that somebody you can’t figure out or whatever, you can come by the store. There is $5 parking back, a lot of parking back behind the store, which I think it’s Rinky Brothers. But, yeah, come on in. Jerry will take care of you, and maybe you can make somebody’s Christmas Day better with a good piece of Lavaca meat.
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Well, and it really would be a great gift and a real treat for employees or friends or family. And so I would highly recommend it. So definitely. So Jim May, you’ve got a poem for us.
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I’ve got a holiday poem here. And I just wanted to say the experience of doing this has caused me to write more. Obviously, I used to just write for my family and little events and stuff like that. And this has been a lot of fun for me. And I’ve grown a lot. And as I wrote this, I started thinking, you know, Jim, you’re not just talking to You know, Christians at Christmastime, there’s Hanukkah and everything out there, Kwanzaa. And so I wrote this to be for all people today and maybe extend through the new year. The name of this poem is just Happy Holidays. It’s finally Friday, and it’s really hard to believe that in just a few short days it will be Christmas Eve. The Colorado Rockies are white with winter snow. It looks a lot like Christmas from the KLZ studio. I really like the front range view from the Kim Munson show. A big picture window, an American flag. And there’s producer Joe. I’ve been lucky to be a part of it and say what I want to say. Free speech is what it’s all about. It’s the American way. I hope that you have enjoyed the cowboy poetry this year. It’s a chance to share my thoughts and spread a little cheer. Most importantly, the work Ben here just means a lot to me. Thanks for supporting Lavaca Mead, and many thanks to KLV. This season sometimes makes you feel like you are a kid again, remembering Christmas past and let them come alive again. There are times you would like to hope the season never ends, sharing joy, love, and quality time with family and friends. And so I want to thank you all for your kind words this year. The phone calls, texts, the little things are just so nice to hear. I’m just a Colorado cowboy who would really like to say blessings of peace, joy, and love to you. And have a happy holiday.
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Jim May, that’s beautiful.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you. I really mean that from the bottom of my heart. I hope everybody out there, no matter right, left, Woman, man, whatever race, it doesn’t matter to me. And I just hope you all have a great holiday and a wonderful new year. I think we’ve got a new sheriff in town, and I think things are going to start to improve. And I really enjoy listening to Ellen’s stories. They’re about Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and all that stuff. That was cool. And just keep that spirit going and come by and see us at Lavaca Meat.
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And Lavaca Meat is located at the corner of Nevada and Maine. And of course, Old Littleton is so beautiful this time of year, Jim May. I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, prosperous 2025. And I thank you for sharing these fabulous poems with us. It’s a great, it just really adds something to Friday, I think.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, right back at you, Kim. And I hope you all have a wonderful, not only Christmas, but the upcoming. That’s a nice thing. We’ve still got one more holiday after that. So let’s keep having fun.
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SPEAKER 20 :
Indeed, it is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And thank you to Laramie Energy for their goal sponsorship of the show. because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources from coal, natural gas, and oil that helps power our lives and fuels our hopes and dreams. So pleased to have in the studio with me Professor Kurt Gerwitz. It’s great to have you. It’s good to be here. And Alan Thomas has stayed for the second hour as well. And so DOJ, that’s the Department of Government Efficiency. And Donald Trump has put Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy in charge of that. And first of all, apparently Elon Musk was very influential in making sure that the 1,500-page document uh, continuing resolution, uh, which, uh, did not pass. And so one of our listeners, thank you. Uh, Connie said that Mike Johnson dumped a 1500 page, uh, CR omnibus full of pork. It did not pass. I think that’s good. Then president Trump’s team came up with a continuing resolution that would help hurricane victims, farmers, and keep the government open. It did not pass. I think that’s unfortunate. I think it’s crazyville, uh, kurt gerwitz that here we are a few days before they needed to have something done they’ve been messing around in washington dc they don’t have a budget and now they say hey if you don’t do this that we’re going to shut down the government what do you think about that
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s human nature to wait for a deadline. One of the teaching gigs I had was teaching negotiations, and it was an amazing experience. We would split people into twos, buyers and sellers, and we’d pair them up, and then we’d say at the end, you had your sheet, each side had their sheet, and we’re prepared, and then you’d go and see if you could come to a deal or not. And we bring everybody back into the room and say, is there anyone who could have used more time? And more than half the room raises their hand, right? And you could also ask, like, when did the deal get done? It’s like last minute, right? It’s human nature. And so the teachable moment was so classic. It was… why didn’t you ask for it this is a negotiation class you could have asked me the facilitator hey can we have five more minutes and we would have given it to you maybe maybe not but you you’ll never get it without asking for one right and so yeah it’s it’s uh it’s human nature to wait to deadlines deadlines are important a piece of the accountability piece
SPEAKER 20 :
What do you think, though? I’ve been making some changes in my life. I had talked with someone about Joe Rogan, who’s wildly successful. A little bit.
SPEAKER 17 :
$500 million. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s like more than any baseball player ever. And he just he’s just a guy having conversation. You’re we’re doing it. We’re announcing my podcast. You’re coming on my show.
SPEAKER 20 :
OK, definitely. But so I listen to one of his podcasts and he was talking about being a success. And he said and, you know, he was a what a fighter.
SPEAKER 17 :
UFC UFC UFC fighter martial arts.
SPEAKER 20 :
And he said he became successful because he did the most difficult things first. And so I’ve started to try to do that as well. And I’m seeing a change in getting things done. And it’s really affected my life, Kurt.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, there’s a concept called eat a frog. You know, if the first thing you do in your day is to eat a frog, the rest of your day is going to be pretty easy. So you make that disgusting face. And that’s the face, that’s that feeling that a lot of us get about the hardest thing to do during the day or the most disgusting. If you just did something that has to be done, it’s on the critical path to achieve your goal. Get it done first and it’ll get done more often and it’ll make the rest of the day easier. And yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER 20 :
What do you think about that, Alan Thomas?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I’ve heard the eat the frog, and as a chronic procrastinator, thank you for justifying why I procrastinate so much. I’m explaining it, not justifying it. That’ll make my wife very happy. Maybe she’ll start setting earlier deadlines for me. Yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, the other thing, life does get full. And so we understand that as well. And there are things that you know you’ve got this deadline over here, but there’s other things that needs to get done before that. And that’s valid as well. But doing the most difficult things first in the day is actually it’s pretty liberating to make that happen. So the fact that Congress has waited again until just a few days and said, hey, if you don’t do this, then we’re going to shut down the government. You know they’ve been negotiating on this whole thing. And Alan, to your point, the political maneuvering on this is a little wild. As Connie said, there’s the reality, but there’s that whole political maneuvering, which is somewhat curious.
SPEAKER 02 :
It is, and you know, it’s… Again, we kind of play into the Democrats hands so, so often, don’t we? I mean, as opposed to submitting continuous resolutions a month ago and saying, hey, it’s actually the Democrats that are being the bad faith actors. Now we look like now Republicans look like the bad faith actors. And now the Democrats are going to say, oh, you don’t want to pay federal workers on Christmas and New Year’s and whatever. What a terrible way to start out the new year because these awful Republicans just want to help millionaires, right? So, again, there’s principle and there’s pragmatism, right? And too often the pragmatic gets dragged down by people that want to be too principled. And there is a point to principle, but there also is – a a filthy pragmatism that accompanies politics i mean case in point our constitution when you talk about pragmatism it had the opportunity to say slavery is wrong and we could have wrestled with that reality from day one of our country uh but there there was this pragmatic approach that said we’re not going to get this constitution unless we make some concessions and so that’s That’s been politics for over a millennia. It’ll be politics until humans are wiped off this planet.
SPEAKER 20 :
But from a principle standpoint, the story of the Constitution, many of the states didn’t want to ratify without a Bill of Rights. And Madison said, ratify this and we’ll get you the Bill of Rights. And they trusted him because he was a man of principle. He was a man of his word. And Kurt Gerwitz, that’s pretty unique in human nature.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, you know, going back to the horse trading that’s happening right now, you know, they passed a law. They took out pork out of Congress, and they went a decade, and nothing got done, and they were all frustrated. So we had to bring it back. We had to let people put in—what do they call it? They’re not dog ears. Yeah, ear marks. Ear marks, yeah. They had to put in—I like dog ears. I don’t want to call them dog ears. They had to put earmarks back in because people were like, I have to – I’m accountable to my local constituents, my voters, and they need me to fight for them to have jobs. That’s what they hired. I’m their hired lawyer, their representative in the system, and I’ve got – we’ve got to have – I have to have something to trade. You have to have something to offer me for me to give you my vote. You mentioned Joe Reagan – Joe Rogan – Joe Reagan. How about that? Yeah. There’s an interesting portmanteau. He had Blagojevich on the show recently. I haven’t seen it yet. But that – do you remember? I do. He got in trouble for trading – Barack Obama’s Senate seat. Senate seat, yeah. And he – And they have him on tape saying it’s something of value. You don’t just give that away. And who’s clasping their pearls at such a statement? It’s always been my understanding. That’s just how this stuff works. It’s politics. How is he the fall guy when there’s so many… There’s something there in that story I don’t understand. But yeah, it’s ugly, it’s messy. I’ve always applauded you, Kim, for being willing to. You dress so nice and you’re such a pretty young lady here. And you go and you get in the mud and you get in the dirt with those, what is it, teaching a pig to sing or wrestling a pig, right? It’s just you’re wasting your time and the pig enjoys it and you get all dirty. But I honor you for that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I tell you what, Kurt Gerwitz, I think part of it is probably America’s Veterans Story Show and then getting to know Drew Dix, the Center for American Values. These… And I say men because primarily it was World War II. It was guys that were in combat. And hearing these stories of people willing to put their lives on the line, guys that have given their lives so that we could have liberty and And I think about our next generation and the generation after that. And this country was founded on people that stepped forward and were willing to give their lives for liberty. And I feel like I have to do my part. So that’s why I do that. And I love people, but what I get very frustrated with is when people are trying to manipulate or lie. And that’s where then I get into the fight. You’re a crusader. I guess so. And my four years on city council was so eye-opening. And then I’ve served on different boards for nonprofits. And all of that has been very eye-opening. And so I’ve learned, Alan, kind of how the sausage is made. And ultimately, everyday people, we look out the window here at KLZ. We see cars going by. Everyday people that they just want to pursue their happiness. And it is PBIs that are doing the stuff that you’re talking about, buying and selling, Senate seats, horse trading, all that. And that’s wrong. And so my job is to shed light on that. That’s what I think, Alan.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. And, you know, some of that masks a societal issue. Right. I mean, the fact that the fact that he knows he can hold on to that Senate seat or the fact that if we take pork out of out of bills, that nothing gets done shows how much people’s vote can be bought. And that was a big fear of the founding fathers. They said, hey, if government ever figures out that they can buy people’s vote with their own money, right. we’re going to be in trouble as a republic. And we’re really seeing the symptoms of that. And a lot of the solutions are more government, more pork, more this, that, or the other. And it’s masking an underlying societal problem that’s more difficult to address and to fix, especially as principled conservatives.
SPEAKER 01 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, it’s tough to go out there and make people see that asking for federal money in their district is actually a net negative in their life, that the tax dollars have to come from somewhere. So, you know, we just have to be strategic and we have to just constantly be on the offensive to try and show people that, no, we want government as small as possible, that it’s actually better for their lives if that’s the case.
SPEAKER 20 :
And so it’s a communication thing. And certainly Ronald Reagan was not perfect. And over the Thanksgiving holiday, I rented the movie Reagan. Many of you had said, Kim, you need to watch it. Well, I watched it, and then I rented it the next day, and the next day I should have just purchased it because there were so many different nuances in there as well. But I think that the thing is, is instead of saying I’m going to bring home the pork, I think that as from a communication standpoint, you say, I’m taking the stand because if government is smaller and you have more liberty in your life, you’re ultimately going to thrive and flourish. And so we’ll talk about a little bit of pork. And I want to talk with about if there’s any agencies that should not be on the chopping block for,
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SPEAKER 20 :
Indeed. It is Friday. Welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. I do want to recognize our Colorado Union of Taxpayers, my fellow board members. That’s Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Carl Honiger, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Joseph O’Loughlin, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Ramey Johnson and Mary Jansen. we’re gonna get through Christmas New Year’s then the Colorado State Legislature will convene and we will be going to work to watch different legislation and if you would like to get our weekly email that we send to all of the legislators and the governor regarding our positions on different bills join us it’s only $25 a year and you will be very very informed so if You can do that by going to coloradotaxpayer.org. That’s coloradotaxpayer.org. We were talking about pork that is in these continuing resolution bills and earmarks, and I totally disagree with all of that. I would say let’s let everyday people keep their money. Let’s not borrow money. money from our children and grandchildren, more and more debt. So I got a little story for you when I was on city council. I know that I’ve told this before, but it was something that I was really grappling with. And Kurt, I’ll go to you first on this. So I’m on city council and i thought that in the spirit of the constitution that at city council we would debate these issues that are in front of us and the public could come in and make public comment and that then then we would make a decision and the majority would you’re laughing you’re right because that’s not that’s exactly uh actually what i learned was study session is where you’re going to see a lot of things and mary jansen i think she agrees with us because she was on city council in lakewood so A study session is where you really see what’s kind of coming down the pike. But then there’s things that have been talked about even before it gets to study session. So the mayor had approached each of the city council members and his thing, he was focused on light rail. He likes mass transit. And he wanted mass transit to come to Lone Tree. And then that would be good for development or good for the developer as they’re developing Ridgegate. And so I was on 2012 to 2016 during the Obama years. And, of course, Obama was pushing the World Economic Forum, getting people out of their cars, onto buses. trains and buses and so they were offering what was called these new start grants to several municipal well several regional areas to put in light rail which was pushing forward this whole agenda by the world economic forum i didn’t know it at the time i just kind of felt like you two look like i’m boring you i’m sorry so anyway um It was kind of like, we need to apply for this New Starts grant, and it would be good for the community. I was like, okay. We didn’t really take a vote on it, but we went ahead and applied. I was new, seemed like, okay, you think it’s good, okay. But then as I was learning more and more, it was highly expensive. It was like $207 million for 2.3 miles, and we were taking $96 million of federal money, which I thought that’s wrong to be borrowing that from our neighbors and our children. And so I voted no on it. I kid you not, a very influential Republican that lives in my neighborhood was so frustrated with me. And I said, this isn’t right to take this government money. And she said, Kim, if we don’t take it, someone else will. And that’s akin to if we don’t rob you, somebody else will. So you might as well let us get to it. That’s my opinion. What do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
You’ve got a point. And I wasn’t bored. I was frustrated by the topic. Yeah, I hold my nose when I vote most of the time, right? Like, it’s a fascinating question you brought up. But the clean piece of this, the cleanest piece of this is, like, how wasteful is it? How much does it cost per mile? Why does it cost so much per mile?
SPEAKER 06 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 17 :
Like, can America build? See, here’s the thing, Kim. I’m such a strong believer in public transportation. And that’s where you and I would probably disagree.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, we probably would.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know I’m a single-issue voter.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, and the reason is is because it’s so totally subsidized.
SPEAKER 17 :
It requires community action, yeah. See, there’s a balance in the world between the individual and the community. And we need, you know, liberals and liberals and conservatives. We need the left and the right. We need the yin and the yang. We need the Democrats and the Republicans. And I don’t think we just need the two. I think we need a lot of outside voices, too. But, yeah, like there’s there are things that require and the smaller, the better. Like like you in your first hour, you’re talking about bringing down. That, you know, if we if we if we’re winning against the socialists at the highest level, which we have in this last election, then now the fight goes to the states and the local. Well, that’s a better place for it. And, you know, your family, no family is a democracy, right? Your children don’t get to vote on whether they get to have Twizzlers for dinner.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, but that’s the family. That’s different than government.
SPEAKER 17 :
And then it goes, you know, the next step up is the church or the community, and then the next step up is the local. And so, yeah, local rule should. But sometimes it requires, you know, collective action.
SPEAKER 20 :
You mean legalized theft from one person to give to another?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I guess that’s what I mean.
SPEAKER 20 :
What do you think, Alan?
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you, Kurt Gerwitz. No, absolutely. And it is an intriguing question. And the problem with subsidies is it’s very easy to subsidize something and say, here’s what was produced, right? I mean, this is economics in one lesson. This is the broken window fallacy. It’s easy to say, hey, you know, the money is going to the glazier, you know, the person who’s replacing the window. So actually it was a net positive for… The whole community.
SPEAKER 20 :
Let’s set it up just so. What happened was is the store owner, somebody threw a rock through his window, and so the window’s broken, and there are those that say that that’s an economic driver.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s actually economically good because then the glazier gets business, and then the glazier’s able to pay his employees, and he’s able to do things. And what’s ignored is you’re able to say, okay, well, a new window pane of glass was built. A new light rail was built. A new… windmill of clean energy was built, it was subsidized. Here’s what we did with your money. The problem is, is it’s very in the air of what would have happened with that money had it not been taken from the business owner, had that taxes not been taken. And the point that is the store owner was forced to buy a window. What could he have invested in in himself, in his employees, in his business, or what could he have bought from other places? We’ll never know. We’ll never know where that money could have actually gone. And it’s difficult to talk about an intangible thing. And when we talk about subsidies, that’s the difficulty is it’s easy to say, hey, we spent 95 million on this. It’s very difficult to say, hey, what would a small business owner have done with an extra $400 or $500 in taxes. And if you spread that out across all the business owners, that $95 million, what net positive could have happened to society if we hadn’t taken that $95 million from other people? And that’s the difficulty about these conversations is there’s an intangible thing. And then there’s the, hey, here’s what we did with it.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. So the store owner, now let’s take out, let’s say that he didn’t have insurance, but even if he had insurance, there is that cost. But let’s say The brick comes through his window, he has to pay money to have the glazer put in the new window, and of course all the downstream from the glass has to be produced and manufactured, all that. All these people have jobs. That’s the argument. But if you look at it, the store owner had a window before. He has a window after. But he had to pay money that he could have used for something else. Instead, he’s just at even. And so that’s, I think, the fallacy of the broken window. Yes?
SPEAKER 02 :
Correct. And that’s the difficulty of talking about subsidies, too, right? It’s like, where could that money have actually been used? Because now we have a new window. Now we have a new fill in the blank. I mean, this isn’t just public transportation. This is subsidies in general, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
So what do you think about that, Kurt?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I’m squirming in my seat here. If only we had an economics professor who could chime in on this. No, you guys, you’ve nailed it correctly. So the language I would add to it is, so it’s an unseen opportunity cost. It’s like, you know, I do more finance than economics. And in finance, we don’t talk about what else you could have done with that money sometimes. So that’s exactly the point, is the $95 million from the government to build, you know, in Colorado… It’s not just that this is magic money from the government. This is taxpayers’ dollars. And for the window, it’s like what else would that owner have done with that money? Rather than repair something, he would have built something. And it’s always better to build than to just repair. Exactly.
SPEAKER 20 :
Good point. We’ve got some great stuff coming in on the text line. I love this from Eric. He says, how about choice in transportation? So that’s what they’re trying to do is take away our choices.
SPEAKER 17 :
For me, the choice is like I don’t have the choice to not have a car. That is not a choice in America. This is embarrassing for America. There’s programs where like the government will help you buy a car because we know it’s – if we’re going to be in the streets and say that healthcare is a right and that’s going to force doctors to work. then we’re gonna how sooner is it before we say that having you know an automobile having that that mobility of that that version of mobility is a human right because it’s required look i i you know i’ve been on the air with you almost two years now and one of my early subjects was social mobility and having a car is really really essential for people getting out of poverty and having a job and getting around, so cars are that important in the United States, and I encourage you, I was running, I tried to start a nonprofit, it failed quickly, to send politicians to Amsterdam, where you can see that people have made a choice to live better in community, And I think that I have a lot to say about cars and how evil they are in general. But the essentially like we could choose. We have such great weather and we’ve got a we’ve got a good nature loving population here. We should be on bicycles. It’s more efficient. It’s yes, there are there is a place for cars. But boy, like the roads.
SPEAKER 20 :
I couldn’t do I couldn’t do what I do on a bicycle, Kurt. You could. I couldn’t. No, you couldn’t. I have no interest in getting on a bicycle and riding over here at five o’clock in the morning. It’s dangerous. It might be snowing. It might be snowing. It’s rain. It would take me so much time. Then I can’t go back.
SPEAKER 17 :
meet my clients i can’t do that you’re and you’re lacking the i would i would have a non-profit that would send you to amsterdam to show you how life could be lived so much better than art like if you look at when they built the game um sim city they had to take out parking lots because parking lots they absolutely destroy community like making you tell me whether a community is like whether a street is more enjoyable if it’s walkable or not
SPEAKER 20 :
We’re talking about, that’s a luxury. People, if they have, well, but those that are pushing public transportation, first of all, it’s not economically viable. Because the cost, you’re fair, and this was when I was on city council. The fare that you pay only covers 20% of the operating cost. It doesn’t even cover anything for building it. And nobody wants to ride these trains because they’re dirty, they’re dangerous, they’re inefficient. And so by subsidizing it, you’re taking away other people’s choices, Kurt.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s a lack of vision to imagine the world that I’ve seen where public transportation is clean and fun and you make a friend while you sit next to your neighbor. I think windshield time is one of the worst things on planet Earth, and it’s the worst in America. I think a gift from COVID was work from home, and people realize that the commute is the strongest correlation to happiness is the inverse correlation to how long your commute is. So time in cars, we’re individuals and we’re sitting in SUVs, or most of us are sitting in sedans, but we’re one and one in the car. And if you look at the amount of space that’s being used, I’ve got more on this topic. I want to talk about how the SBA and how veteran services are flowing through the federal government to help our local veterans.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, let’s just, I think we’ll have part two on this next time you’re in. Alan, would you like to say anything on this? Then we’ll go to break.
SPEAKER 02 :
There’s parts of things that you’re touching on that I agree with, but I probably disagree with the With the conclusion, like, yes, commuting is terrible. I don’t think anybody has talked about how wonderful they find the commute, but taking people’s choices away. You know, we do this a lot where we compare ourselves to Europe and we forget how condensed Europe is and how how long it has existed before. And the time it takes to get from European countries is the United States is massive. It’s absolutely massive. And you’re talking about a homogeny or it’s so heterogeneous in Europe, in certain places, that’s difficult to take directly from them and put it into here. I mean, I’ve been to Paris and it is wonderful to be able to take. public transportation all around as a tourist. I’m not saying I’m not against public transportation. I’m saying that there is a difference between Europe and the U.S. And even with subsidizing it, we have not been able to copy that model. And there’s something there that we need to figure out. But again, it doesn’t justify subsidies either.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I love the freedom of the open road. And I used to call my car, my commuting taking kids to school or whatever, the tube of truth. It was amazing what you would find out when you were in the car with your children. So, gosh, we’re going to go to break and lots coming in on the text line. But we want to talk about Doge and the Small Business Administration. We have these discussions because of our sponsors. And if you’ve been injured, reach out as soon as possible to John Boson and Boson Law.
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SPEAKER 20 :
It is Friday. Welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity as we look at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Alan Thomas is in studio. We’ll be rolling out your essay, Beautiful Christmas Stories. And Professor Kurt Gerwitz. I have to apologize. We’re not going to get to the Small Business Administration. We’ll do it next month. So first question coming in on the text line. How does a family of six get groceries home? Or if you’re an electrician and you need your tools, how do you make all that happen on a bicycle?
SPEAKER 17 :
It does happen. It happens in a cargo bike, and kids should be walking to school. But I get it. We lack vision for this in the United States. If you haven’t seen it, it’s hard to imagine. It’s impossible to imagine under the current state.
SPEAKER 20 :
So Amsterdam, this listener says Amsterdam has a huge drug problem and a lot of human trafficking.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it’s a large cosmopolitan city. It’s one of the most diverse and capitalist places on planet Earth. It’s a lot like New York City. It’s the New York City of, you know, Northern Europe, perhaps. And New York City is a place where, you know, most of the citizens there prefer to not have a car.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. Okay, let’s get to Yvonne. She’s on the line, and I want to get to some of these other text messages. Yvonne, what’s on your radar?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, hi. First of all, I just wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah and all the other holidays at the end of the year for you and Kirk and also Alan. And I was just really touched by all the Christmas stories that Alan was talking about. Sorry to interrupt your economics, but since it’s Christmas, back to Christmas, I just wanted to thank Alan for that. As a veteran, and I had actually heard that one story from World War I, and it was just great to hear it again because sometimes you forget. And I think sometimes people also forget that military folks despise war more than anybody else. because it is us who have to fight, bleed, and die in them. And I think sometimes we’re looked at as warm hungers or something when it’s really quite the opposite. And that was beautifully illustrated by those people who left their trenches to go to the no man’s land in between and celebrate together, if only for one evening. So I thought that was really, really beautiful. And I wanted to share what happened last evening. I was having dinner with a friend here at home. And we had a ring at the door, and we’re like, oh, I wonder if it’s, you know, a neighbor or something. And we went out, and there must have been over 20, I’m going to say 27, but it could have been more, teens with their Santa hats on, and they were singing Christmas carols. And I’m telling you, this has not happened in my neighborhood for probably over 20 years. I think in the almost 30 years or 20-something years that I’ve lived here, It might have happened once so long ago, I can’t remember, but it did happen last night, and it just touched my heart. And having, you know, been a police officer and everything, there’s a million things that young people can be out doing at night that is not good for them or for other people. And to see so many gathered, to just ring a stranger’s doorbell and bring a little Christmas cheer, it just filled my heart, you know? And we joined in in song, and gosh dang it, between here and the next four days until Christmas, I might just grab hats with some other adults and go do it too.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, that’s awesome, Yvonne. Thank you so much. Let’s get back to some of these text messages. One says, try riding a bike in the snow. So riding… You have your Santa hat on now, Kurt. Yeah. Five o’clock in the morning. I’d have to leave at four o’clock in the morning. No, no. I like freedom of transportation. I don’t like all these subsidies. Another one said, and this after the whole Daniel Penny thing, how safe are the subways in the big cities? I used to go to New York regularly. I wouldn’t want to get on the subways right now. I never did like, you know, walking down those stairs or going down the escalator. And I never liked getting on the subway, Kurt.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, it’s terrible. The only thing worse is a car.
SPEAKER 20 :
Oh, my gosh. I love my freedom of mobility. And you know what? Fine, but don’t take my money to subsidize what you want to have happen.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, I mean, you don’t think that the way that America’s set up has been subsidized? You don’t think that this has been the influence of… It’s one of my favorite conspiracies is the the streetcar conspiracy was Firestone and GM. And they went around city to city and took out streetcars. And I mean, it was a big deal in New Orleans. My dad was out there protesting in 1960. And and then it was in 2000. I think it was before he died. It was in the 2000s that they put the streetcar lines back in. They’re romantic and they go where you expect them to go. They had taken them out and replaced them with buses because you can sell a bus and you can replace tires. But the streetcar was too good to be true.
SPEAKER 20 :
I think the bottom line, I get your whole subsidy thing, but I like my freedom of mobility. I like to go where I want to when I want to.
SPEAKER 17 :
It comes at the cost of other people being able to have the freedom to walk to places. It’s about urban design. It’s the freedom to not have a car in the United States, to move from poverty into the middle class. Good luck. You’ve got to have a car.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. We’re just about out of time. Anything you want to say on this, Alan?
SPEAKER 02 :
Again, I think you can touch on two things and they can be true. Absolutely, I’m completely against cronyism where big businesses get in the pocket of government and take away things to pad their bottom line. Do I fully believe that GM Buick Firestone got so big that they used the government to get their way? Absolutely. And that continues today. And I would be 100% in favor of government… reducing regulations, getting rid of compliance to allow the free market to come to a solution, whether that is the vision of Kurt here or whether that’s the vision somewhere in between. But let free market figure out what people really want and take away the ability of government to get into bed with big businesses, let them compete the same way everybody else does, and let the consumer decide what’s best. And really, that’s going to be the… That’s really the difference between the European model and our model is we are very unrelenting on our freedom to choose. And we are very distrusting of a government ever having our best interest in mind. And as long as we have that difference of opinion, it’s going to be difficult to enact a lot of these different ideas.
SPEAKER 20 :
But it’s important to have these discussions. So, Kurt, thank you for being here. We’re just about out of time.
SPEAKER 17 :
Can I get one sentence in or no? You tell me. You hate it that we’re subsidizing electric, but you’ve forgotten that we have subsidized the internal combustion engine from the past. I’ll say this. Yvonne was right. The only thing more interesting than economics is indeed love. So let’s get out there and sing Christmas carols.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay. Kurt Gerwitz, thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Alan Thomas, thank you so much for being here. Our quote for the end of the show is what General McAuliffe said when he was presented with the request to surrender from the Germans at Bastogne in World War II, Battle of the Bulge. He said, nuts. Nuts. And so today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America, and Merry, Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 05 :
Tell them if I don’t survive, I was born.
SPEAKER 12 :
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