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In this episode of Drive Radio, we venture into the realm of automotive care and insurance wisdom fit for winter warriors. Our experts share innovative cold weather hacks—from windshield treatments to reliable starting tips—equipping your car to withstand the harsh winter breeze. A deep dive into insurance strategies also awaits, with insights on how meticulous policy management can safeguard your assets without breaking the bank. Learn from real stories, tips, and tactics that have stood the test of time, as our speakers narrate their experiences with snow, safes, and savvy budgeting—crafting a narrative that’s both informative and engaging for
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thank you all for joining us. We had a great hour during Fix-It Radio. Phone lines are open, of course, 303-477-5600. We’ve got a full crew today. Oh, text line 2, by the way, 307-200-8222. But going around the table here today, we’ve got Josh from Legacy Automotive and Ridgeline Auto Brokers. Good morning. Good morning.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a nice day to be here.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, as cold as it is, yeah. But a nice, bright, sunny day. Can’t beat that. And might have a little snow later this afternoon. We’ll see. Justin here as well, same place. How are you, sir? Good. Good to be back. Haven’t seen you for a little bit. It’s been a little while. Appreciate you. Dietze from ProTech AutoShield here as well. Hi, everyone. Good morning, Dietze. And Roy, of course. Roy, welcome. How are you? Good morning, everyone. Roy Perez. Thanks for having us here today. Always a joy. Thank you guys as well. We’ll get into a lot of things today, by the way. Most of all, though, we’re here to answer your questions. So whatever your questions are, please let us know. 303-477-5600. Okay, knowing all the cold weather we’ve been through, we’ve got more cold weather coming potentially this next week. Might even have a substantial snowstorm this week. We’ll see how that all develops. But what are your favorite things? Cold weather tips. So it could be on any level. In other words, what do you do to help your car start in the mornings easier? Maybe you park outside and you’ve got a little tip on how that works and so on. So whatever your tip is, let us know. 303-477-5600. Eric, what’s going on? Hey, good morning, John. Good morning, Eric.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I want to kind of give a comment regarding what you’re talking about last hour with the insurance. Sure. So one of the things that I have found on, and I’ve been doing this for the last several years, is my auto renews in April, my home renews in May. The minute I get the renewal documents, I have two different brokers that I call. One is Paul, one is… Oh, my God, drawing a blank on the other one. And then I also call my regular agent, you know, to see, okay, do I need to make changes to, you know, to my coverages? I’ve been with Allstate for like 11 years, and just because the way our policies are set up, everybody’s like, eh, just stay where you’re at. If they can beat it, it’s not by enough to, you know, to make it worthwhile. But the one broker told me, he says, you know, he looked at my coverages one day, and he goes, I would raise your coverages. He says, just as a precaution, and especially after the Boulder fire a couple years ago, he said, I think you’re underinsured about $50,000. And for some stuff, it’s amazing how little it changes the price of your policy. And then there’s other stuff that it’s like, oh, my God.
SPEAKER 08 :
To your point, Eric, it goes back to, you know, last hour and, you know, pick and choose. And one of the ways you can even save money on some some not always, but on some policies would be raise the deductible, get more coverage, but raise your deductible. There’s creative ways to make things happen. And not every as you know, not every insurance company is equal.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And that’s what, years ago, when I had a motorcycle, and that’s actually how we switched to Allstate, was we had e-surance at the time, and e-surance had my policies separate between the motorcycle and the car. And the lady from Allstate kind of, it was a deal, we were at the home show, and she saw my wife’s purse, and, oh my God, that’s a beautiful purse, and they started talking, and she suckered my wife out of our personal information. Good salesman. Yeah. god damn right good salesman and um she called me about a month later and i was kind of annoyed but she wrote us they wrote us a policy that made your head spin when you looked at it but um it worked and it saved us a significant amount of money and i was with that agent up until he retired at the start of 2020 and then the new agent i’m not as happy but he he does good he does good um And, yeah, they got creative with rewriting policies and bundling things together. It saved us a ton of money and gave us better coverage. There you go. And, you know, like I still do ride share on the weekends, and I’ve thought about reducing some of my coverage. And everybody has said, absolutely not. As long as you can afford it, keep the super high coverage like you’ve got, keep your umbrella policy, it’s just worth it. You know, yeah, it’s expensive, but trust us on it. It’s worth it. The other thing regarding the videoing, so when my grandmother died in 2012, my dad and I started going through stuff in the house while she was still alive. And she said, well, the safes, you know, we’ve got three safes. And it’s like, okay, well, they had this iron chest safe that literally, when it was later removed from the house, required three men and a dolly. I mean, it just wasn’t that big. But, you know, it just sat on a desktop or it sat on a shelf or on the floor, rather, but it weighed like 400 pounds.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, raced out. They don’t hardly make them like that anymore, as you know.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can’t even buy it. I mean, I wouldn’t even trust a gun safe as much as I would trust that thing. But when we opened it up, there were three Super 8, three VHS, and then three of the little mini VHS. uh videos videotapes in there that they had recorded the house and these were updated over every few years they had another safe down in the basement that they had done the same thing and then we found out later on through the will that her attorney had had copies of these also and they would just every few years they had been updating we didn’t even know they were doing it We just, you know, but they were doing it. And you can, you know, and to the idea of using your phone, you can still buy a regular mini DV cam fairly cheaply and, you know, and record everything that way, too. Sure. And then, you know, you would have the diff. The one thing is you said about, I know you said half-jokingly about burying the mini drive out in the backyard. Yeah, I wouldn’t. Yeah, I wouldn’t do that. You’ll never find it. Well, that and it will degrade very quickly being buried underground like that without proper precautions.
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Right, yeah. And point, yeah, tongue-in-cheek because you’ll never find it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. But anyhow, now on to my regular question. Yeah, go ahead. So on my frontier, I get these, for the last couple of years, I have been getting these oddball transtem readings. where my output side will show 230 degrees, the return side will show like 160 degrees, and then all of a sudden the bypass, which is supposed to open at 150, but now we have no idea when the bypass opens, and it will just randomly open, and all of a sudden my temperatures will drop significantly. The bypass is supposed to open between 150 and 160, according to like four different transmission people I’ve talked to. My thought is, I already know eventually I’m going to have to have this trans rebuilt. My thought, though, is with getting these oddball temps, should I maybe start with this notion of just replacing the trans cooler since the bypass is built into it up front, since it’s going to get replaced anyhow when the trans gets replaced?
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Are you doing fluid services on it?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes. Every 30K, the trans gets serviced.
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And it’s synthetic?
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s whatever. I think it’s Nissan Matic S or Matic P, whatever it is.
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Yeah, so it meets the spec. I mean, you could start with the trans cooler, but you’re not getting a code. You’re just seeing temperature fluctuations, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, yeah. So what happened was a couple years ago, we were off-roading four low way up in the Zemdar Hills, and all of a sudden, my outputs hit 300 degrees. No code, no limp mode, nothing. But the return showed like 220. And within a little bit, it dropped back down to normal range. Ever since then, it’s wanted to run high. The week after it did that, I had the fluid changed, and the Nissan dealer did it. The guy’s like, the fluid looks fine. He said it is not burnt. It does not smell burnt. He says, I don’t see any evidence of an issue. He says, so I’m not sure what happened. And we scanned it, and there was no codes, no pending, nothing.
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And it has an external cooler on it, or is it just the one? Yeah, it has the factory.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it has the one in the radiator, then it has the factory auxiliary trans cooler because it’s got the tow package.
SPEAKER 04 :
And the fins look good on it. It’s not like, you know, there’s a bunch of mud on it because sometimes when you’re four-wheeling, you get mud and everything caked on the radiator and, you know, any coolers you have. So you’ll have a spike then, and then usually with me, I drive through a stream, and next thing you know, it’s back to being cool again.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, no. No, no. I’ve checked it, and I’ve pulled the grill and looked at all of it, and I don’t see any of that. And I’ve rinsed it, you know, back rinsed it. you know, a couple of times, you know, sprayed water back through.
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I personally, Eric, and I’m Josh’s opinion, I wouldn’t do anything cooler-wise, replacement-wise until you do the transmission because you’re going to do it then anyways. I wouldn’t mess with it until then, personally. And you’re probably not that. I don’t think it’s worthwhile.
SPEAKER 12 :
Cause I’m not going to do the trans until it actually needs done. I mean, every quote I’ve got, I’ve talked to like five different shops and everybody’s and the dealer and everybody’s the same price between 55 and 6,000 parts and labor. Um, you know, everybody’s pretty much in the same range here in about 2000 miles. That’s going to get serviced again. The fluid is going to get done. And that’s kind of what, what I was debating. Cause Nissan told me this, well, when we do the train and another shop, I told you, well, when we do the trans, we can replace the cooler. It’s like an extra 150 bucks. If you supply a factory cooler. you know, we’ll swap it out for you. That’s what I would do. Yeah. So just keep up with the regular maintenance like I do. That’s what I do. When it goes, it goes. That’s right. And that could be a year from now.
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Who knows?
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I mean, I do plan on keeping this thing for a while.
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All right. There you go. Eric, I’ve got to run to break. Thanks, man. Appreciate you very much. Stephen, John, or Stephan, I should say. John, guys, hang tight. We’ll come right back. Take your call. One line open, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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All right, we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Roy and Dietze both from ProTech Auto Shield with us. And for those of you, especially business guys, where you may have bought something towards the end of last year, you need to get your logo, get it wrapped, whatever the case may be, you guys can take care of that all day long. And I want to put a plug in for you guys because the other thing that you guys will do is, and Dietze, I know this, because you can put a wrap on, but you can put a wrap on incorrectly. And what I mean by that, and I didn’t know this before meeting you guys, you will take into account where are the mirrors and the door handles and where’s the door openings and so on. And if something’s open, is it cutting into the way the wrap actually looks or is it cutting a phone number into and on and on we go. You look at all of those things and adjust accordingly so that when that person is out and about, everything works properly, right?
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That’s correct. You want to take into account all the curves of the truck, everything.
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Because, again, we want to get the most value out of the wrap in the first place. That’s why you’re doing it. Exactly. Correct? Okay. So for those of you that are listing business people that might need something, they are going to do it differently than your typical non-car person that will still wrap a car. They will do it differently than what that particular person will. So John and Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead. Hey, John. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.
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So quick tip on the question of the day. I have found before I had my garage that if you do a rain repellent treatment on your windshield in the winter, you almost never have ice bonding to it because it keeps the ice from getting in those little pits and everything. So that’s a great trick because if you’ve got to brush your windshield off before you go to work, at least you’re not scraping it, which could do more damage, you know. So I always do my windshield, my side windows, because then it blows the snow and the moisture off if you’re driving on a, you know, snowy, rainy day. And my back window on the 4Runner, of course, the side mirrors at the same time. Great idea. Just because those are the things you have to have to clear. The other thing, somebody bought me years ago as a gift, It was one of those windshield covers because they knew I parked outside. Oh, yeah. That thing works great.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve never used one. I’ve never known anybody that did, so thanks for the tip. I’ve never used one.
SPEAKER 18 :
I mean, this one’s nice. I had a neighbor in the apartment that I used to live in. She would use a blanket, just a regular blanket.
SPEAKER 08 :
Just a regular blanket, and it worked.
SPEAKER 18 :
And it worked.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
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Yeah, the windshield cover’s got vinyl on the outside. It’s got two little boots that cover the two side view mirrors. It fits on my ramp. and it’s got a little piece that you put it, you open the driver’s door, and then you put this little piece of vinyl in and close it, and that will hold it down better. Good to know.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve never used anything like that.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, and you could probably search it on Amazon, and I got a feeling they’re less than $100. Okay. But they might have gone up. The question I have, is on my 4Runner when it’s snowy like this. I can’t see out of the back window after about three or four miles on that grimy, wet road because of the vacuum. Do they make, like, something that would redirect the wind to keep the back clear?
SPEAKER 08 :
Like a rear spoiler? Old wagons had, back in the day when we, you know, old wagons and even the 4Runners and stuff back in the day, you could put a little wing on the back that did it. Do they make those for the newer ones or no, Josh?
SPEAKER 04 :
I haven’t seen them on the newer ones, no. okay yeah because that’s that’s what they used to use and it worked great right it seemed like once they sort of put a wiper blades on the back then they got rid of those because they figured the wiper blades would would handle that yeah
SPEAKER 09 :
It doesn’t work as good. You get that little window, but you’re almost constantly using the washer fluid on the back with the wiper blade to clear it.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I’m one of those that won’t use that because the first wipe, I know there’s not enough on it, and it’s going to scratch the glass, so I won’t use them because I’m that particular. Just look at your side mirrors. Yeah, because I just know that first wipe is scratching.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it’s… It’s tough. I was just wondering if any of your guys had heard of anything like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
No. I mean, again, back when – I mean, Josh and John, both, I’m talking 25, 30 years ago. I used to put a ton of those spoilers on a lot of the different SUVs and stuff because it was a pretty common aftermarket thing to put on. And then – I don’t know, kind of a trendy thing, I think. After a while, some of the manufacturers started kind of including those on some of the vehicles, and then over time, to Josh’s point, once we started getting the rear wipers and such, they kind of just went away altogether, and I don’t know, stopped selling them. You know, back when we used to put that Lund stuff on everything. Correct, correct.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER 08 :
A little wing in the back. That’s what it was. That’s what it was, yeah. Just deflected the air down onto the back window to keep the dust off of it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, that’s what I was hoping to find, but I guess…
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, about the only thing I could say, John, on that is, you know, do some measuring, get online, see if there’s even another type, you know, another vehicle that’s similar where you think you could make that fit. The biggest thing is, and I just hate, is I don’t like drilling holes and doing things that you’re going to have issues afterwards with.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, it’d have to go off the rack. Correct. I think why they’re not doing it, too, is with aerodynamics, people don’t put up with the noise, and it’s always been… Oh, good. There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
And the 4Runner is not the quietest vehicle out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, they’re not. Right, but now, you know, when you put bike racks and stuff on there, you get the howl of as the wind comes through it. So I think that that market’s kind of changed a little bit with that, too, is people don’t like to hear the wind noise.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, like when I have my… Like when I have my ski rack and skis on top like I did today.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I just got a text message where somebody’s been searching for one of these for older Subarus and Jeeps and so on. And even the ones you find on eBay are getting pricey because evidently they’re just not in the marketplace anymore, John. So you’re not the only one looking.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, and J.C. Whitney went out of business, didn’t he?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, years ago, actually. Well, when the Internet came along, J.C. Whitney couldn’t keep up at that point. They were fine pre-Internet days, but once the Internet came out, they were done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, so I guess it’s just the Internet.
SPEAKER 08 :
I hated them, by the way. Did you really? Well, yeah, it was my number one competition when I had my stores. I hated them. Every customer, not every, but a lot of customers would walk in, they’d have this page open in the Whitney catalog, and can you get this for this price? I’m like, no, I can’t. Why are you asking?
SPEAKER 09 :
How many people brought in the part from J.C. Whitney and asked what you were charged to put it on?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, you got that occasionally as well, and I was dumb enough in the early days to agree to do it, and then I got smart. Again, I’m kind of not the smartest guy in the room in a lot of cases, John, and so I was really dumb for a while and went ahead and agreed to do it, and then after a while I’m like, why am I doing this? This is the worst thing ever, and then I stopped. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because most of it didn’t fit. No.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
You guys have a good day.
SPEAKER 08 :
You too, John. Appreciate you very much. We had a caller, I think, that was on the horn asking about pre-purchase inspection. If you want to call back in, we’ll answer that. But we can also answer it in a more general way right now. And this is coming from guys even that sell cars on a regular basis. Yeah. Do not do a post- purchase inspection, because at that point, all you’re going to learn is what your car needs, and you’re going to fix it anyways. Pre-purchases prior to agreeing to buy the car, you have the car inspected. And folks, I mean not like a trip inspection. I mean thorough inspection. You need somebody that will look at, has it had water damage? Has this thing been in an accident? What’s the Carfax look like? Can I see where there’s been any paint repair that’s been done? Is the bumper a different color than the fender? Or is this door a different color than the rest of the doors? And on and on we go. By the way, what a lot of technicians will do, because they’re sharp guys that do pre-purchases a lot, know this. You can typically feel the inside of the door with your finger. And is there some overspray and such there? And, okay, why is that? And what happened there? Exactly, and on and on we go. So it’s not only the mechanical sides of things that we want to do a pre-purchase on. We want to know the overall condition of the car because some things can try to be hidden, and we want to try to avoid as much of that as possible. Somebody really checking the vehicle over, full bore, bumper to bumper, and you’re going to pay for this. I want to make sure I added that in as well. If you’re getting a pre-purchase done for free… It’s not a full inspection because it’ll take, Josh, Justin, three hours, two hours to do a full bore inspection, correct? Yeah, if it’s under an hour, then you need a good one. Yeah, go somewhere else because you’re not getting a full bore inspection. I mean, you want somebody that’ll even do, you know, relative compression. What’s the starting charging system like? What’s the brake condition like on all fours? Is there any leaks? What’s the drivetrain look like? What are the U-joints and axle joints? And on and on and on we go. I mean, what do the fluid conditions look like in the car? Are they going to need serviced in the near future? I mean, all of those things need to be checked, and yet you don’t do that in 15, 20 minutes. So if you’re not paying for one, is my point, then go somewhere where they’re charging you. And it needs a test drive.
SPEAKER 04 :
So a lot of inspections, sometimes, especially the cheaper ones or the quick ones, there’s no test drive on it. So a good test drive is 10, 15 minutes worth of driving at least. Yeah, because you want to get up to speed.
SPEAKER 08 :
You want to make sure there’s no vibrations. Is there any pulsations in the brake? Does the vehicle pull one way or the other? Exactly. How does the suspension feel? Are there wind noises? Some of what we were just talking about with John a moment ago, all those things come into play.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, we run into this problem in Boulder. In Boulder, it’s hard to get up to 45, 50 miles an hour. We have to get all the way out to 287 to get a vehicle up to 65, 70, because that’s where you catch other things.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. It’s a higher speed. You don’t catch at 35 miles an hour. Correct. Yeah. So I know that call was coming in, and hopefully that answered some questions, but I cannot tell you from not only this program, but then people that I’ve met in person at times, how many people in Colorado… Especially, because for some reason they think there’s a three-day rider recension, and there’s not when it comes to buying cars in Colorado. They think I can get a post-inspection done a day or two later, and if I find a lot of things wrong with it, I’ll just take the vehicle back. That doesn’t work in Colorado, folks. That’s not our law.
SPEAKER 19 :
No. There’s only one instance where that is, and that’s if they bring a contract to your house and sell you the vehicle there, then you have three days. But most dealers aren’t going to do that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, not going to happen. And where the confusion comes in is if somebody sells door-to-door… They sell you carpet cleaning or whatever the case may be in a store-to-door. Yeah, you have a three-day rider recension on a situation like that. But buying cars, it’s as is. There’s a document even that you’re signing that says as is. Now, there’s probably some loopholes in that where if they knowingly sell you, for example, say a car is a salvage title car. And somehow this particular dealer knew that and it’s got a clean title and it’s not salvaged, but they knowingly sell you that and they knew it was salvaged title. That’s a whole different world. And now we’re talking fraud and so on. And by the way, you’re not going to find that very often in the state of Colorado with the way things are run here.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, the pre-purchase inspection is really important. Colorado’s an as-is state, even from a dealer. All a dealer needs to do to sell you a car is 230 seconds on the tires. Bald. Yeah, it is at that point. Yeah, can’t have a cracked windshield. Okay. All the seatbelts need to work.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s it. That’s it. And pass emissions. And pass emissions. In the front range.
SPEAKER 19 :
So it is very important to have someone look at it. But have someone look at it per the age of the vehicle, too. I see a mechanic shop that, you know, you take a $5,000 car to them. They write it up for $20,000 worth of stuff. You’ve got to be realistic towards the price range of the car that you’re looking as well. Mechanics, sometimes they get a little overboard.
SPEAKER 03 :
True.
SPEAKER 19 :
I’d rather have the full picture, but also know, hey, do this now. This might be in the future.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, what’s my staging of all these things?
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. And that’s part of a good inspection, too, is that should be on there. This needs to be done yesterday, and this can be done within a year.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yep. And this is something that personally I’ve got a lot of experience with. When I had my shops, I was one of the few shops at the time that I had, not joking, over a 300-point full-bore spreadsheet inspection that our technicians did on pre-purchases. We prided ourselves in trying to help people buy the right car for them, and sometimes we’d go through three or four pre-purchases before the customer finally bought the right vehicle for them. And the way they justified it is we typically had enough information for them on the number one, the first three didn’t work anyway, so saved them some money by just not buying the wrong vehicle. But then typically gave them enough information on the vehicle they finally purchased to say, okay, Mr. Seller, I need some. some discounts for boom, boom, boom, because these are the things I’m going to have to take care of right away. And we would even write estimates to Justin’s point a moment ago on all of those things so they had all the right ammunition going back to the seller, and it always works. So, yeah, I am a big one on pre-purchases because there’s nothing worse than buying a car with a lot of problems that you could have avoided on the front side. So we’ll be back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 18 :
I’ve only bought a car once from a dealership, and in hindsight, it was a horrible experience, now that I know better. But if I were to buy a new car, how do I know where to take it to get a pre-inspection done? And what am I looking for?
SPEAKER 08 :
And she’s asking a great question because what she was asking even during the break is, how do I know if a shop does a really good thorough used car inspection or not? Great question. Number one, all of our shops that are in our group, so you go to drive-radio.com and find our shops. Any of those will do a full thorough inspection. We’ve got that. all dialed in. Now, if you can’t make it to one of them and you’re in an area where you need to get somebody else to do an inspection, what I would do is, number one, call a shop that maybe you’ve been referred to or you find on Google or whatever and say, listen, I need to get a pre-purchase done. I’ve never used you guys before. Walk me through how you do that. And you’ll learn right away from the shop as to what they tell you. In other words, if they say, well, you know, bring it down. You can wait for about a half hour, 45 minutes. We’ll give you a nice inspection and hand you the keys back, and away you go. Well, right away you know, yeah, that’s not where you’re going because you can’t wait for a prepurchase. It’s going to take a solid three to four hours, not just for the inspection but the write-up afterwards because you need time for the service advisor then to even say, okay, here’s everything the technician found. Here’s all the pricing that’s going to go with those things that the technician found. That doesn’t happen automatically. You’ve got to give that person time to assemble all of that. So theoretically, a good pre-purchase inspection is a half-a-day deal. Am I exaggerating, Josh?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, if you want it done right.
SPEAKER 08 :
You want to get the whole thing done, all of your estimates, your ammunition to go back to the seller with, and whether it’s a private seller, dealer, whatever, you want all of this stuff dialed in. You want printouts, by the way, because you’re going to be able to take that back and hand it to the seller and say, you know, I think it’s a car I want to buy. And, by the way, that’s a discussion that you can also have with the shop. So that would be another thing I would ask is how does this work and will you help me find the right car? If you get a deer-in-the-headlight look back as to, well, what do you mean by that? Again, find another shop. Because a good shop will say, absolutely, we want you to have the best car. We want to be able to be your shop and service this vehicle. But we want you in the car that fits you best, and we’ll help you make that happen. And good shops know how to do that, by the way.
SPEAKER 19 :
The other thing that I think you should ask when you make that phone call is what is their expertise?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, good point.
SPEAKER 19 :
If this is a Japanese shop, you’re not going to take a Mercedes to them to have them look at a Mercedes. You want to know that that’s a car that they service and that they’re familiar with as well.
SPEAKER 18 :
All right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Great question, though, because there’s a lot of folks out there listening that probably have had some pre-purchase inspections done in the past. that might have even done them while they waited, probably only took 45 minutes to an hour, and little do they know, they didn’t get a full, thorough pre-purchase inspection. And they didn’t even realize it. Now, it may have turned out still okay, great, fine, whatever. And I’ll be honest, even when we were doing it back in the day at my shops, if a customer brought a vehicle in, even a customer I never knew, and they rolled a vehicle in, And we even took one look at the vehicle and said, okay, without even getting into an in-depth, which keep in mind, I charged, a lot of you are going to be floored at this, but this is 20 years ago. I charged $300 20 years ago to do a pre-purchase inspection, meaning today that’s about $450. That’s what I charge to do a pre-purchase because I knew – what are you showing me here? Same. If you get a good pre-purchase today, it’s $4,000 to $4,500 because it takes that much time for the technician to go through things. And what I used to do, though, is if all of a sudden we rolled that car in and you took one look at it and said, oh, man. I don’t think you even need to raise this thing up on the rack to give you the laundry list of things this thing’s going to need. In fact, I can just tell from driving from the parking lot in that this thing’s got ball joints and this and that. So there were times where literally I would call the customer right back on the phone and say, you know, I can proceed with this full pre-purchase inspection if you’d like, but this is not a car I would buy. There’s no sense in me wasting your money on this inspection because I can already tell you, go find another car. A good shop, Dietze, will do all of that for you and be your advocate when it comes to buying a car to make sure that you buy the right car at the end of the day. And that’s the kind of shop you need to find to help you through this process. Is that the right way to say it, Justin?
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, that sounds excellent. I like that you didn’t waste the customer’s money. I like that you did a thorough inspection on something that you thought there was potential there. I love that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, and we would do that constantly. And, again, I know all the shops that we’re affiliated with will do it exactly the same way. If they take one look at it and say, oh, yeah, in fact, I can tell you right now by looking at it, this thing’s been wrecked all over. And, Roy, you know this. Not everybody can see those things. No, not everybody. You have to have the eye. You’ve been in the body shop world long enough to know what I’m talking about there. But once you have the eye to know whether a panel’s been painted or not, you can see it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, actually, one of the best ways to see if the panel is being painted is turning the lights off, getting a flashlight. And go around the car, and you’re going to see the difference of the color. Great point.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then you’ll see it right away. And, again, as I said earlier, too, for some of you listening that are maybe not in that world, but you’re just looking at cars, take your finger. No gloves, no nothing. Take your finger, rub along the inside of the door jams. Around the edges. All four doors. Around the trunk. Around the deck lid. The hood. If you feel anything that’s rough, like it’s a little sandpaperish, that’s not from the factory.
SPEAKER 07 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let me just tell you that. And even if it was, that means it was fixed at the factory, which, by the way, can happen. You were showing me a Tesla at your place the other day that Tesla had knowingly told the customer, hey, we had to do this at the factory, but the front bumper didn’t match.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, it didn’t match. The color wasn’t matching. Yeah, and you saw it right away. It was off. Yeah, you could see the orange peel, the difference of the orange peel.
SPEAKER 08 :
The first thing I asked Rory is, who wrecked this car?
SPEAKER 07 :
He’s like, no, it came this way from Tesla. And it’s like, okay. uh but yeah to your point and i think they told the customer i mean we had to do this at the factory and it happens at the manufacturer all the time i mean they they i mean you there’s a lot of cars that they came to our shop and i see they’re brand new and you can see the uh the sand scratches from a d8 you know what i mean and then they polish it but they didn’t polish it enough and uh and then when the When the car is outside on the heat, the sand scratch starts coming back. Starts to surface. Exactly.
SPEAKER 08 :
And then you see it. So, again, not everybody has that. And it’s not a criticism because you have to be in the industry and kind of know. Even my wife at times will laugh at me. We’ll be driving down the road someplace and I’ll say, oh, that door was painted. And she’ll look at me like, what in the world are you talking about? I do that all the time. Yeah, you can’t tell that side door, left rear door on that pickup truck’s been painted. And she’ll look at me like, you’re a weirdo. And I’m like, yeah, I am. But literally, once you learn what you’re looking at, you can tell if they’ve been painted or not. It’s not hard to tell.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah, and John, I’ll be honest with you. I think a lot of mechanic shops don’t have that expertise. So if you’re buying something 50, 60, 70, 80 grand, it might be worth it to have the mechanical done one place and have the paint looked at somewhere else.
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, what you just said, that’s not a bad idea, actually. So some of you that are buying a high-end car and you really want to know… Is the paint and everything the way it’s supposed to be? Yeah, call Roy and run it over. You guys could look at that and let him know right off the bat if this is good or otherwise. Because Roy’s in body shops on almost, well, daily basis. You are on a daily basis. For those of you that are saying, well, why? Does he do collision? No, but Roy does, for a lot of the collision centers around town, all the PPFs, all their paint protection film, He will do so. You’ve had a little accident, and maybe the rearview mirror on the passenger side got knocked off in a body shop, replaced it, but it was PPF’d. Roy will be the one to fix that PPF and replace it for that collision center. That’s why you’re in collision centers a lot.
SPEAKER 07 :
And believe me, I do a lot of QC before I do the installation of the body shops because even the body shops, they – They make a lot of mistakes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Absolutely. And that’s what I used to do before. I used to work in a body shop, too. You came up through that. Yeah, in a body shop. And I know how it works. You know what I mean? I used to QC the paint. I used to QC everything. And that’s why I know I look at everything before I install the PPF. There you go. I look at the paint and everything.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. Line’s open. We’ll come right back. Don’t go anywhere, guys. 303-477-5600. This is Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thank you all for joining us. Josh Goff from Legacy Automotive and Ridgeline Auto Brokers. By the way, Boulder, Longmont, and Fort Collins now, so three locations to take care of you on the vehicle maintenance, repair end of things. Car sales in Boulder and Fort Collins, but you guys could deliver something in Longmont if you had to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we can make something happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
So those of you that are up in that whole northern area, we’ve got you covered and dialed in and so on. So, Justin also from Legacy and Ridgeline with us as well. Dietze from Pro-Tech Auto Shield up in Wheat Ridge. And then Roy Perez also from Pro-Tech Auto Shield up in Wheat Ridge as well. And we were talking that last, really about the last half hour on the pre-purchase. end of things, which I haven’t covered in quite some time. It’s probably a good thing to cover today just because of the time of the year and the fact that people will be looking for some different vehicles. Some of you might have young drivers, by the way, that may be getting them placed into a vehicle. And this is something else, too, I want to add. I say this a lot, and I had multiple drivers in my family that I taught to drive, seven to be exact. And so I have a little bit of experience along these lines. I feel strongly, and some may disagree, but I feel strongly that you should be teaching your kid to drive in the same car they’re going to be driving in once they get their license. Meaning, some of you are thinking, well, my kid’s 15. I’ll buy a car in a year when he turns 16. No, you should be buying the car now. teaching him or her to drive in that same car so that the minute they turn 16 and have their license, it’s just a simple transition. They’ve already been in it. They know what’s going on, and off they go. So I’m a big one on putting your teen driver in the car they’re going to be in and know that’s not the family truckster. Unless you’re passing your car down to them, which some do. And if that’s your goal, okay, fine. You’re going to pass this car off and go buy a new car once your kid turns 16. Okay, if that’s your mode, okay, I’m okay with that. That’s fine. But that’s the rarity. Because typically you’re driving an SUV or something larger or whatever, and you’re not necessarily going to put your teen driver in that. And also something to remember, and nothing against teen drivers, but statistics show, by and large, the majority of accidents in the United States of America happen when drivers are between the ages of 16 to 18. It’s why their insurance rates are higher. They’re new drivers. They just don’t have the same depth perception and everything else in driving that you do once you put some miles in. And the reality is they are the most vulnerable to having accidents at that age. So given that’s the fact, why would you put them in something fairly new? Get them familiar. Put them in something safe, something robust, something that, you know, if it gets a little ding or a din or whatever, it’s not a big deal. And I know that’s not what the 16-year-old wants to hear because they want the best of the best of the best. But trust me, buy them something that will be reliable, safe, safe in the snow, save you some money on the insurance side and so on. But buy that when they’re 15, not when they’re 16, and teach them how to drive that.
SPEAKER 19 :
John, I got a question for you. You’re talking about 16, 17, 18-year-old drivers. Where are they? You’re asking me? It’s like 19, 20, 21. How do you get all these kids off the screens and excited about driving and excited about cars?
SPEAKER 08 :
I was down there the day I turned 16 to get mine.
SPEAKER 19 :
Me too.
SPEAKER 08 :
I don’t know, Justin.
SPEAKER 19 :
I think all of us, but these kids don’t want to drive.
SPEAKER 08 :
Tim in Longmont, you got a question. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. I was listening to one of your replay shows the other day. Yeah. And you mentioned something about a recall on Silverado transmissions.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, it’s not. Are they recalled? Is it final yet, or is it still in the works? They haven’t officially sent letters and things out, but it’s coming, Tim. Okay. The government has told them it’s coming. Let’s say it that way.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve got a 2011. Would mine qualify for that?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, I think this is going to be, make sure I’m right, Josh, I can’t always remember because of the Ford and GM and everything else. Is it 18 to 22 or is it? That sounds about right.
SPEAKER 04 :
I think it’s 2018 to 2022, Tim. Yeah, 17 to 23. Something like that, yeah. Because it didn’t all go in, like, every one that year. You know, there were still different production runs and stuff like that.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. So, no, that would not… Either way, that’s not going to affect you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, good. I just tuned in. Did I hear that Josh has a shop in Longmont now?
SPEAKER 04 :
We do, yeah. All American Motors on Pratt Street is now one of our shops.
SPEAKER 10 :
On… Pratt Parkway or Pratt?
SPEAKER 04 :
The actual Pratt Street. So across from what used to be the Times Call warehouse there. What is this over there, Bootstrap? Bootstrap Brewery is what’s right across the street from it.
SPEAKER 19 :
Close to Zach’s Transmission.
SPEAKER 04 :
Zach’s Transmission, that whole area right there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, okay. And it’s all American, you say? Yep, all American Motors. Well, that’s great because I used you guys when I was in Boulder, but I’m in Longmont now. There you go. Save a drive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Bring the blazer right on down.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, you remember that, huh?
SPEAKER 04 :
I do, yeah, and the wind start.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that’s great. That’s great. That’s getting my new year off to a good start, and I’m glad John’s back on the air after the holidays. Well, thank you, Tim. I’m getting tired of the rerun.
SPEAKER 08 :
Thank you, Tim. Appreciate you very much. And, yeah, we should have given addresses and that out earlier for Josh’s shop over in Longmont now. So for those of you that are up in that north area, it could be North Boulder, it could be South Loveland, Berthoud, whatever. We’ve got a location in Longmont now. well and again those of you that are looking to buy cars either Boulder or Fort Collins but if you’re in Longmont you want one delivered over that way they can you guys can make all that work right yeah John all four of our shops will literally bring a loaner car to your house and pick up your car for you yeah all right text messages came in and I don’t have time to look this one up so you guys can help me with this looking for a shop manual 94 f250 in a book form not a CD or PDF It used to be an online place you could order shop manual printed form from, but that’s been a couple of decades ago that I even did anything along those lines. My suggestion is going to be eBay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, eBay.
SPEAKER 08 :
See if you can find an original manual somehow on eBay because I don’t know that you’re going to find one any other way because, yeah, all of the new stuff, you can easily go out and find all of the stuff you need in an electronic format. But if you’re looking for an actual physical book, I hate to say, you’re probably going to be eBay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And sometimes since Amazon kind of started out as a book seller, you can find them used or a reprint on Amazon too. Good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right, we’ve got about a minute left. If we have to hang on over the top of the hour, Nick, we will, but let’s at least get started. Go ahead, Nick.
SPEAKER 11 :
Go ahead. Good morning, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good morning.
SPEAKER 11 :
I have a question, sir, about the Honda Accord and the 1.5 liter engine, which I think might be underpowered. And also I have a question about the CVT transmissions. Any issues with that? Because I’m thinking of maybe purchasing a Honda Accord.
SPEAKER 04 :
What year? Like brand new?
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m looking at maybe a 23, a 22. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
The CVTs have gotten a lot better on the Hondas. You know, I started out when Honda had their first one, and they weren’t good then. But right now, I think the CVTs have gotten a lot better than they used to be. So I would say if you do service on it, you know, it’s 130,000-mile transmission.
SPEAKER 19 :
That was the problem was when they first came out, they said they never need to be serviced or they need to be serviced every 100K, and that’s just not feasible.
SPEAKER 04 :
When they first came out, they were just putting normal ATF in it. They didn’t realize back then that they needed to build a fluid specifically for the CVT. So now we found with them being serviced, they’re starting to make it to their, what was the normal automatic, about 130 on most manufacturers.
SPEAKER 11 :
As long as it’s not a Nissan.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, as long as it’s not a Nissan.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’ve heard real great things about Nissan, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
And they always feel, the thing is if you haven’t driven a CVT before, they always feel a little different. So they kind of maybe feel underpowered or since you’re used to the shifts, since you don’t feel that happens, it’s kind of a different driving experience for most people on their first CVTs.
SPEAKER 08 :
And there’s a few other things, Nick, we want to add to that. Hang tight. Let’s take you over the top of the hour. We’ll get you as soon as we come back up. Lucy as well, we’ll take you as soon as we come back from the break. Guys, don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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