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On this episode, unpack the complex world of tariffs and tax policies with our expert hosts. From discussing the redistribution of wealth to the equitable distribution of tax burdens, explore how these policies affect everyday Americans. Delve into a detailed examination of international tariff deals that promise to level the playing field for the U.S. on the global stage, and consider the economic theories that drive these decisions. In addition, explore the political ramifications of these economic strategies. With a special focus on upcoming electoral battles, especially in states like New Jersey, understand how tax and trade policies might
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, because he actually increased the redistribution of wealth because he gave the least tax cuts to rich people. You know I am not a rich person, John. You are well aware of this. John found me on a street corner. That’s why he got me out. But you know I’m not a rich guy. I’m never going to be rich, and so this does not benefit me. You know what my first thing that I think we need to do for the American economy is? Cut taxes on the wealthy.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it generates more revenue when it’s all said and done. We’ve proven that time and time and time again.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and also it’s more fair. It’s more right. I believe that everybody should pay the same percentage. This is something that drives me crazy. One thing I like about the tariffs is… You see, because it’s going to settle in probably at about 10% across the board after he cuts all these deals with everybody. No country is going to be paying the outrageous reciprocal tariffs by the end of all the deals. It’s just going to take more than 90 days. There’s too many. But there will be that 10%. Part of that, not all. There are economists who say, oh, then everything we buy will go up 10%. No, it won’t. Some of that will be absorbed by the shippers, by the people bringing it in. But a portion of it will go on us. Guess what? I like that. Because what it’s going to be is basically a consumption tax that is put on Americans. And you know what? Everybody pays that equally. And to what I say is that it’s about time.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m fine with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because at least, at least, finally, all these people who are paying no federal income tax will be paying something. Well, yeah, but we’re paying it in groceries. Yeah, about time. Because, you know, John, who’s busted his ass for how many decades to get where he is, doesn’t eat more than you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. He doesn’t need more roadway than you. Like I told you, Andy, I’m tired of the non-net taxpayers. I’m tired of the net tax receivers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, me too.
SPEAKER 15 :
Even on our side of the aisle. And they’re on both sides of the aisle, our side as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so anyway, you’ve heard my purist rant. Now back to reality. Folks, we need this because you can’t suddenly make America pure.
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
Americans want to rob fellow Americans. Okay? A majority of Americans want to rob fellow Americans blind. And a lot of those Americans live in places like New York. That’s why the SALT thing, state and local taxes, being able to write it off, is such a huge advantage for people in stupid blue states that overtax their people. Okay. We have to give some on that. We have to give some on that. Why? Because we’ve got to help our New York Congress people who are Republicans representing us there. We have to give some on no tax on tips. We have to give some on no tax on Social Security. Actually, I kind of like that one anyway. But you see what I’m saying? We’ve got to play the market. What do you think?
SPEAKER 15 :
You’re right. Totally agree. Can’t argue that at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, well, then look at the other side of it. Okay, let’s say we pass. Big, beautiful bill. I believe we’re going to have an economic boom. Oh, I agree with that, Andy.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s going to be great. No, I think anything we can do to stimulate the economy, and it goes back to our conversation we were ending with last hour, when it comes to interest rates and so on, the only way, again, the only way, and this is a part of, keep in mind the big picture with what Trump’s doing with tariffs and so on, and it might take me a minute here to explain this, but to get other countries… To suffer some, let me make sure I’m clear on that. In other words, it benefits us if their economies aren’t doing as well as ours is. Typically when the United States does well, everybody else does well. Especially the way the tariffs were prior. Because we were taken in the shorts constantly when it came to tariffs. Other countries were not. So I get all that straightened out to where things are actually more correct. If you would, it will actually hurt the economies of other countries, which in the end helps us. And let me explain. If other countries start to hurt a little bit and they have to do some things to lower their rates and they have to do things interest rate wise to try to keep their economy afloat. That helps us because, as I said in the last hour, if their rates go down, ours can as well because we have to keep ours above what everybody else’s is at to a certain degree to keep investment in our T-bills coming into this country to keep our debt going. That’s how this works, folks. There’s no funny business about any of that. That’s how it works. So my point is if we can get other countries to go down on interest rates, ours can as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Yeah, but I predict we will get them to go down.
SPEAKER 15 :
I think they will with everything that’s happening right now as far as what Trump’s doing with tariffs and so on. Because some of these countries, Andy, are not going to be collecting from us on the tariff end of things what they once were. Oh, all of them. It’s going to kill them in some cases. Their collections.
SPEAKER 04 :
Look, this idea. Here’s what’s going on, folks. The whole world’s been living off the American taxpayer.
SPEAKER 15 :
And it’s about time it became more level.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Is it going to be perfectly level? No.
SPEAKER 15 :
But it’s going to be better than it was prior. Right. with some of the things that I was mentioning overall a moment ago.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I can’t even begin to tell you what it’s going to mean when we cut deals with China and India.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, yeah, agree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 15 :
China, India, Vietnam, some of those.
SPEAKER 04 :
Opening up those markets.
SPEAKER 15 :
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
SPEAKER 15 :
All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Joe, you are next.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, one other thing tariffs are going to fix, and that is foreign car manufacturers building cars in the U.S. who aren’t paying any income taxes. Either one of you guys want to guess the rough order magnitude, like Honda USA, what their annual car sales are in the United States, order magnitude?
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, I’ve looked. It’s been a while since I looked, Joe.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, in the case of Honda, it’s $56 billion. Another is $45. So they’re all in that $40 to $60 billion a year sales range. And do you know that those, Honda USA, Toyota USA, Nissan USA, none of them pay any U.S. corporate income taxes. Now, you think they’re selling cars at no profit? Do you think that’s why they, now, so how are they doing that? How are they selling $50 billion worth of cars and not having to pay any U.S. income taxes?
SPEAKER 15 :
Because all of the profits go through one of their other companies outside of the U.S.,
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And the way that happens is, even though they’re assembling these cars in Tennessee and Georgia and whatnot, they’re building these cars with engines, transmissions, and computer engine control modules being shipped in from their parent company. Now, because they’re a separate subsidiary, the parent company literally, on paper, sells those components to the U.S. subsidiary. And they make sure what’s called the transfer price. And I used to work for a big international company. We used to do the same thing. They set the transfer price high enough so that at the end of the day, the U.S. subsidiary makes just enough gross profit to cover its marketing and overhead. So at the end of the year, they have essentially zero net taxable profits made in the U.S. But the parent company is making a fortune on the engines and transmissions they’ve sold to their subsidiary.
SPEAKER 15 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
So they’re paying taxes back to Korea or Japan. Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Germany or wherever.
SPEAKER 05 :
So meanwhile, U.S. corporate companies like Ford and General Motors are paying U.S. income taxes, corporate income taxes, on the profits they make selling their cars. So U.S. car manufacturers have been at a severe disadvantage because they’re having to pay taxes here that their foreign competitors aren’t. So the tariffs are going to fix that because no longer will Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai get away with it. It’s the same with Mercedes and BMW. You name, they’re all building Volkswagen, they’re all building cars here. None of them pay essentially anything in corporate income taxes in the United States of America. Tariffs will fix that because now those high dollar components… will come with a tariff, which is essentially a tax attached to them, and that’s going to be huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
And in turn, it does affect some of the other American manufacturers because not everything that goes, I’ve said this many times on Drive Radio, not everything that goes into a car is made in America, unfortunately, which, Joe, by the way, in some cases could be. We could get some of those things back online, and once again, tariffs will force some of those things to come back to America and come online here. It can be done.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. By the way, do you know which three cars have the highest percentage of American-made parts?
SPEAKER 15 :
Tesla’s number one. Number two and number three. Okay, so he’s all three. I was going to say I was going to go manufacturers and not go actual models, but yeah, Tesla’s number one across the board because about 80% of their cars are made here. Well, 80% of the components. Correct. 100% of the cars are made here. Yeah, I meant everything that goes in the car is about 80%. Actually, on one of them, I think it’s 86%. Yeah, it’s pretty high. If you want to buy an American car, for all of you right-wing Republicans out there that don’t like EVs and so on, if you really want to buy an American-made car, go buy a Tesla.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, all three Tesla models have U.S. content.
SPEAKER 15 :
He is the only manufacturer that makes his own seats. Yep. Everybody else buys a seat from somebody else.
SPEAKER 04 :
Joe, you know, with all these tariffs, we’re talking about the economic benefits. For a moment, let’s talk about the political benefits. They are playing well with the American public. They really are. And for instance, in your home state right there in New Jersey, as you probably know, Donald Trump is actually polling ahead of your Democrat governor. Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, by a good margin, I watched the Democrats had a debate on Saturday about And I’m watching this debate, and their entire argument, why you should vote for me, was I can fight Donald Trump better than you. I’m serious. It’s like one guy says, well, if Trump tries to do this, I’m prepared to do that. And the next one comes up, says, oh, yeah, hold my beer, watch this. And the next guy says, oh, yeah, well, if Trump tries to do this, this is what I would do to fight Trump. It was literally their entire platform is who can fight Donald Trump better.
SPEAKER 04 :
But Trump’s popularity is soaring in your state.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. So I think their argument about who can fight Donald Trump better, well, it might win them the primary, but it’s certainly not going to win them the election.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I mean, I think it’s actually, am I just dreaming here or is New Jersey in play? I think New Jersey is in play.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, we have a governor’s, unlike most states where you have elections on the even years, the New Jersey gubernatorial race is this November. So it’s really off. Oh, I didn’t know it was that soon. Yeah, no, the primaries, I just voted in the Republican primary, and our gubernatorial election is this November of 25, not 26. Do you have a good idea who our candidate will be? I think it’s going to be a guy named Jack Ciccarelli. He ran against Murphy last time and came scary close to Murphy, who’s term limited, by the way. Nobody thought, I think he came within four percentage points of Murphy. which was a shocker. Nobody thought Ciccarelli was going to come that close.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, let me tell you something, because that’s going to happen this fall. What if, in the interim, Trump inks a bunch of foreign deals? Okay, and we get the big, beautiful bill through. What if that all happens well before then?
SPEAKER 05 :
I think it ups his chance. I think he stands right now, I think it’s a 50-50 shot. I think if that happens, I think he wins by three or four points. No problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
That would be huge.
SPEAKER 05 :
It would be huge.
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
And we are back, myself, Andy Pate, JT Young, joining us now, American Spectator. JT, how are you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I am fine. Thank you so much for having me on today.
SPEAKER 15 :
I appreciate it. The left, the radical left, and Democrats, three Ps, one pod. I think Andy would agree with you on that one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Good. J.T., let me ask you a question here really quick. It has been really surprising to see the rise of the radical left in the Democrat Party, not because they haven’t always had it. They have. But usually you will see a party, the radical elements rise in popularity because there is great discontent in the party with the results they’re getting. OK, we’re not getting the results we need. We need to get more radical. Right. And yet through Obama and Biden in those times, they were getting a lot of the results they wanted nationally. I mean, in the courts and everywhere else, they were really steering this country hard left and they still weren’t happy. Why?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think what you saw was 2018 was a real watershed. I think they were that the entire left was stunned. by the results of 2016, they never expected Trump to win. They didn’t expect Trump to be Trump once in office. And then you got, if you’ll remember, the squad came in in 2018 and they really had a sea change. I think that the overall left became unhinged and they were really willing at that point to follow a more radical direction because they just felt that they were so adrift after having followed their party’s establishment into the Hillary candidacy and losing. And I think it’s fair to remember as well, in 2016, had the deck not been stacked against him, Bernie Sanders would have won that nomination. True.
SPEAKER 04 :
JT, I mean, do you think that their hatred for a personality, that being Trump, brought out their inner radical in many Democrats?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think what it did is it made them susceptible to listen to a radical left. And then when Biden won, Biden was an incredibly weak president. You know, he really had little support of his own. If you look back at the primaries, Biden survived. And he would just pick up a portion as candidates dropped out. And he became, by default, their nominee. And so he came into office extremely weak. His base was very small. And he had really little personal allegiance. So I think he found himself in a position where he was really beholden to the whole left. And he had to go radical, he felt, in order to govern.
SPEAKER 15 :
Hmm. Interesting. I I don’t know that you I can’t disagree with you on any of that. I don’t think any and either one can. I think we’ve even talked about that that particular end of things on air. And here’s the question. How long can the Joe Biden’s of the world? He’s not in charge any longer. But how long can he keep Bernie’s and AOC’s and those that are a part of the party? in check, JT, because, you know, for a while that’s what was happening. But now that Biden is no longer in charge, in fact, you know, we’re learning more and more that he’s had some health issues that have been covered up for quite some time, which is a topic in and of itself. But the reality is, you know, the Biden regime is no longer in charge. Who’s going to keep these nut jobs in check?
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s a great question. It’s a great question, John, because I think what you’re going to see and we need to be bracing for 2028 is Because you can see the movements are already afoot. I don’t know if you’ve been following this. A member of the New Democrat leadership, last name of Hogg, H-O-G-G. David Hogg. Yeah, good. Has announced targeting establishment Democrats or Democrats who don’t go far enough left. Nancy Pelosi has already been primaried in her district, and lo and behold, who should it be that’s done it? Former campaign manager for AOC. So I think, to your point, not just Biden dropping away, but I think there’s a wholesale attack on the Democrat establishment leadership from the left, because once they’ve let them in, sort of the camel’s nose, The camel follows and that they now can’t get rid of them. And they are also very dependent on them. You know, these are the people who are so motivated. They go to the rallies, they go to the town halls, they contribute. And, you know, parties are made and make and break the party on the people who are the most motivated and the most motivated are clearly the the most radical right now in the Democrat Party. So they can’t really tell them. I know that we’ve been hearing James Carville saying that it would be better if these extreme progressives would just go their own way. But the reality is that the Democrat Party couldn’t survive if they did. They need them. They’re already hemorrhaging support. They just lost last November. They see an electoral map that’s heavily stacked against them right now. They can’t really be throwing people out of their party.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, JT, I think one big word comes to mind, and that is energy. And what I mean is this. It’s like they have energy envy because they look across at the Republican Party, obviously led by an immensely energetic person named Donald Trump, but also all the people who work with Trump are high energy, high energy, high energy, high energy. And then you look on the left, and the only way that they can get energy is with their radicals. Could that be a big reason they’re turning to the radicals? Because right now, when they look at the energy of the right and they are envious of it, they can’t look back at the people they’ve been putting up.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think I think you’re absolutely right. And I think, again, you know, their whole leadership generation has kind of aged out. You know, we’ve been seeing a tour, basically a Bernie Sanders and AOC going on the road. It just feels like a passing of the torch because here you have, you know, an octogenarian and then you have her who’s, you know, at least half a century, his, her, his junior, you know, Pelosi is advanced in years. They, you know, Chuck Schumer is, is terrified that AOC will challenge him in a primary in New York. I mean, Their whole leadership is quite old. And I think going back to your observation about energy, yes, I think there is a sense that on the left that they have to combat Trump’s energy with that of their own, their own passion. And I think it’s obviously something that they want to do as well.
SPEAKER 15 :
Interesting. This is going to be, I mean, to me, and I think Andy, you would agree, this is going to be an interesting time for the left. We’ve talked about this a few times on this program, JT, whereas when you get, we have some of the same struggles here, especially here in Colorado in the Republican Party. When you get the radical part of your party in charge, it can literally abolish the rest of the party if you’re not careful. Same things happen here in Colorado with the radical right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. You see a sacrifice of the middle, and it kind of becomes a no-lose situation to the extremists, because either they prevail and they get their policies pursued, or they drive out the people who are resisting them, and even if the party is shrinking, they grow proportionally within the party. So, you know, just what you observed, I think you do see that, and you’re seeing a very conscious move in this direction, I think, on the left and among Democrats. And, you know, you really think about they need Trump or some sense of unity in that party.
SPEAKER 15 :
Good point. Sorry.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, you’re fine.
SPEAKER 15 :
By all means. No, you’re fine.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, okay, JT, really quick here. You are obviously an expert on the radical left, so let me ask you a question here. Because there is a radical left and there is a radical right. Absolutely. But the radical right, there are two big differences. Number one, the radical right is incredibly small. Okay, we talk about these militias and these people. The numbers of them versus the numbers of BLM are 1 to 20. I mean, it’s not close. Why is the radical left so much larger, and why are they so much more violent?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think, and I have a book that came out late last year that describes some of this, but I think what you saw was going way back into the 1960s. If you look at the old socialist left of America, it basically disbanded. And if you put on your history lesson for the day, you know, the Port Huron Statement from the 1960s and Tom Hayden and Students for a Democrat Society basically announced the demise of the socialist left. And so a lot of these people then went into various causes, and they’ve been incubating in there for basically six decades and so i think the violence that you see is endemic to a socialist uh approach you know marxism is is a very violent ideology they they absolutely believe class conflict is everywhere and the only way that you advance to the resolution of that is through a revolutionary strategy uh so i think violence is endemic to a lot of these people and they took that with them into the causes they went into so you do see this i think over and over again um you know um the one um that’s brilliant Yeah, the one like bombing Teslas. I mean, you know, we always think of the environmentalists as just about the most passive of people. You know, you think of Earth Day and hugging a tree.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you think that, but they sure are showing their true colors.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And, you know, we’ve seen this before, but I think to your point that we saw it. You know, people who used to spike trees in the logging area, but they were a really militant small group. But now that’s not the case anymore. That’s right. Over and over and over in every movement area, you think about it. Think of who is leading that movement, whether it’s on immigration or environment. And you look to the left, it’s always the radical right. agenda that’s the actual mover. You mentioned BLM. We grew up, I did, with the NAACP. It was hardly a violent organization. But that’s not who’s really leading the civil rights movement anymore. It’s BLM. You look at the environmental movement, this is not the Sierra Club anymore. It’s And you see this over and over and over in various clauses.
SPEAKER 15 :
Great point. No, you are, and I get, you know, you’re right, JT. I guess the question is, does this help the conservative movement or harm it?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think it helps it because it makes, it creates a reinforcing contrast to the conservatives, which… look like, and I think you saw this play out in November, that conservatives look like the reasonable approach, common sense. I mean, you think of so many different areas where the left’s actual vanguard ideology is just an open border. Virtually nobody outside of the extreme left would have supported that And I think, you know, conservatives can kind of move in behind them, and all you have to do is just be rational, and you have an appeal. They scare the normals. Yeah, that’s a great way of saying it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. JT, how do folks find you? I know you’ve got some stuff out on the American Spectator. What’s the best way for them to find you?
SPEAKER 06 :
I have a website for the book. It’s jt-young.com, and you will find a whole website there around the book. It also links up to the different publications that I run in. I have a piece out today in Real Clear Politics for people who go there. You mentioned The American Spectator, The Hill I run in. So I’m in various publications, and again, jt-young.com will take you right to the book’s website, and from there you can find a lot more information.
SPEAKER 15 :
Awesome. JT, as always, I appreciate it very much. Thank you, sir.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. It’s been a pleasure talking to you.
SPEAKER 15 :
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Listen online, klzradio.com. Back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 04 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. John, he made such, I mean, when you talk about scaring the normals, One thing I’ve really noticed on the left is you’ve got two groups. You’ve got the Governor Shapiro’s. in pennsylvania who you know is probably going to be their presidential campaign but will the wackos allow it good point right well the aocs of their party allow it right because governor shapiro does not scare the normals they like him right the normals like governor shapiro he is probably i think he’s going to be their best candidate going in you know either him or the guy from kentucky or the guy right here okay those are going to be the best ones but Here’s a big difference. Not only do the extremists scare the normals, they don’t care that they scare the normals. They are fine. They like scaring the normals. And so what I want to ask you, John, is what about us on the right?
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s no different.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. I mean, do we have the same? Look, I guess I’m talking about the Davidians here in Colorado. Yes. I mean, we have the same problem.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s very similar, Andy, because these people, especially online – now, I don’t know what they’re like in person because I haven’t talked to any of them face-to-face for quite some time, although I’ve had some phone conversations with some of them. And I will tell you, Andy, that it is literally – Their way or the highway. They are rabid in regards to that. If you don’t believe the way they believe, you’re a total rhino. You’re worthless. You shouldn’t be in the party. You might as well be a Democrat. There’s no use for you whatsoever. Go away. We don’t want you any longer. That’s their mantra.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, look what they did to Lauren Boebert the moment she stepped out of line. She was their queen, their princess.
SPEAKER 15 :
Now she’s a prostitute.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now she’s a prostitute, according to them.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I’m using their words. No, I know that you’re using their effect. You’re putting it much nicer. Literally, they’ve gone from queen to prostitute.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, that’s them.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, these are people who, the second you step on a line… This is how radical these people are, folks. Yeah, the second you step on a line, they’re… And we’re talking, obviously, Rhino Watch and the Davidians and so forth.
SPEAKER 1 :
But…
SPEAKER 15 :
But really quick, Andy. Yeah, go ahead. Watch some of what they even put out online. No, fortunately, fortunately, none of them are on air because you can’t hear them there because that doesn’t sell. So none of them have been able to make it.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, Chuck and Julie, now they have to be with their podcast. It’s all on podcast.
SPEAKER 15 :
So if you want to watch any of these people, you’ve got to go watch them via podcast because, frankly, they’re not marketable on air. They’re just not. Their stuff doesn’t sell. Sponsors don’t want to be a part of that. They can’t make any money doing that. The stations can’t. So you’re not going to see any of these folks on regular radio or anything along those lines any longer. The only way you’re going to see them is on a podcast. But what I’m telling you is go watch them. If you don’t believe what Andy and I are saying and the rabid movements of these particular individuals, go watch them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, they spew hate, hate, hate, just like the extreme left. I mean, they sound… Not much different, Andy. No, they sound exactly the same. And here’s the thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Really quick. If you were to take… Yeah, go ahead. If you were to take the words out and just do the Charlie Brown, you know, wah, wah, wah, and replace both with those types of words… Just with the sound of them. They would sound exactly the same.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s no difference. Even in written form. No difference.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And what blows my mind is this. Not only do both of them hate each other, the radical left and the Davidians hate each other. And I understand that they should. They agree on nothing. They both hate the middle.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Meanwhile, the middle is voting. Yeah. And there are times when even Donald Trump, let’s face it, has not been afraid to anger the middle. OK, and for some pretty good reasons. But most of but here’s the thing, John, almost all of Trump’s positions are 60, 40 or better positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
What do you think the no tax on tips just did, folks?
SPEAKER 04 :
I know he takes populist positions.
SPEAKER 15 :
You all that are on that hardcore radical right that are, you know, it’s all for Trump and no one else, because that’s your mantra, even though that’s not how he’s a moderate. Yes, that’s not how Trump looks at it. The no tax on tips proves that.
SPEAKER 04 :
But the thing is, is they love Trump because of his style. His style isn’t moderate. He’s bombastic. That’s right. Bombastic. Bombastic, right. His style’s bombastic, but his policies and strategies are totally moderate.
SPEAKER 15 :
The strategies that Trump has are not the same as the strategies the radical right in Colorado has.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. I mean, remember, Dave Williams put out God hates flags. Trump would never do that. I mean, that was absolutely not just offensive to the left. Actually, they enjoyed it. They loved it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, because they can eat that up.
SPEAKER 04 :
They ate it up.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
They were hoping upon hope that he would become our candidate for District 5. I mean, they were just like, oh, my gosh, we’re going to eat him alive. Right. But the people in the middle saw that and were just absolutely deeply offended. Right. Well, all of Dave’s supporters, what are they saying?
SPEAKER 15 :
Good. They deserve to be. Yeah, that’s what they ought to hear. That’s what we ought to be saying every day. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. They need to hear it. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but not that way.
SPEAKER 15 :
I guess what I’m asking you, John, is… Furthermore, let me… Oh, go ahead. Not to get off track spiritually speaking, but that’s an incorrect statement as well. Which statement? God hates… No, he hates what they’re doing, but he does not hate those individuals at all.
SPEAKER 04 :
He’s just talking about flags.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’m sure he is. Sure he is. Take the L out.
SPEAKER 04 :
The thinly veiled slur.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, take the L out, folks.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was the most thinly veiled slur ever. I believe his words on that as much as I believe Comey when he discusses shells on a beach.
SPEAKER 15 :
Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s like…
SPEAKER 15 :
People. We’re not that stupid.
SPEAKER 04 :
Own your hate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you’re going to be out there and if you’re going to hate Donald Trump, by the way, James Comey, you do hate Donald Trump. Just own it. It’s okay. We get it. Don’t do mortal threats, but we get it. You hate Trump. We understand. Right. Okay. Dave Williams, own your hate.
SPEAKER 15 :
Right. We understand where you’re coming from.
SPEAKER 04 :
We get where you’re coming from. Just own it. Right. John, once again, getting back to this. Which is, by the way. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Never mind.
SPEAKER 15 :
I’ll save it for later.
SPEAKER 04 :
Save it for later. Keep going.
SPEAKER 15 :
Keep going.
SPEAKER 04 :
the extreme left, we were just talking about this with a brilliant man, by the way, JT, he is brilliant. Okay. They despise the normals. They hate normals. They hate anything that’s normal. If you think there are two genders, they hate you. Okay. If you think that we, that maybe energy use should be best bang for the buck. They hate you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. If you think, and I could just go through everything. If you think somebody should be allowed to defend themselves with a gun, they hate you. Okay. They hate the normals, but so does the extreme right right here in Colorado, and I think they sunk our boat.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, we have a lot to recover from. Britta herself and others have a lot of work to do. I talked about that when Dave was, it was evident that he was going to continue down the path of being the Colorado chair for any length of time. I kept saying, guys, I told even his followers this, that no matter what happens, it’s going to be a minimum one to two, if not three cycles of normalcy to even get back what we lost during Dave’s tenure as GOP chair.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right, because we have an image now, man. We got a rep here in this state, and it is awful.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you’re one of the normies in this state, you just look at the Colorado GOP and say, they hate me.
SPEAKER 15 :
You shake your head.
SPEAKER 04 :
You shake your head.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, and a lot have run away from the party. They went to the independent side. And before any of you out there start spewing out data that says they came back, no, go look at the data again. No, they didn’t. They may have came in to actually have an R next to their name for whatever it was during the last election cycle with Trump. But, no, they’ll flip right back over, and that’s exactly what’s happening. So, no, you didn’t gain anything. Dave didn’t gain anything.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, John, I think you make a very interesting point, though. The extremes on either side just kill the market.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. They kill your product. Because no one wants to be that at the end of the day. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. You can’t have an extremist sell your product, period. Look at Bud Light.
SPEAKER 15 :
Oh, geez. They’re still recovering from that one. I know! That one has literally—I read something the other day. I don’t know if this is true. I need to validate it. But I read something the other day that they actually threw more Bud Light out than they sold after that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. I didn’t know it was that bad.
SPEAKER 15 :
I read something the other day that actually—I’ve got to double-check that, so don’t quote me. I need to verify that. But I read something that said they actually flushed more Bud Light than they sold after that whole debacle. It would not shock me, by the way, because literally there were stores, liquor stores, other convenience stores, et cetera, where literally Bud Light just sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf, sat on the shelf.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, so you’re telling me because I’ve been thinking for years I need to take up drinking, I could have done it for free.
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SPEAKER 15 :
All right, and again, yeah, that last guest we had, J.T. Young, I would encourage you guys, if you want to talk about somebody that’s extremely wise and smart and gets what’s going on and is articulate and has a way of putting things without really any emotion into it, it’s literally here are the facts. Yep. Here’s how things actually are working on both sides of the aisle. Go follow him because he’s an emotionalist factualist when it comes to everything going on that way.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, he’s brilliant. You know, there are times where I will shoot some tough questions at, you know, our guests, and they’ll struggle some. And that’s okay, and I understand that. It comes out of the blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Because they’re not ready in some cases.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it comes out of the blue.
SPEAKER 15 :
Not him. Just rattle it right off. He just – he didn’t blink. It was amazing. Andy and I were talking during the break. You can tell at times when – and this is not a knock to anybody out there, please, any of their guests we’ve ever had. Oh, yeah. I’m not saying it that way, but you can really tell when – Somebody is super intellectual, high IQ in a lot of ways just by how certain questions get answered.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know when they’re really brilliant by how dumb I feel.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, there’s always that with me, Andy. It’s like, okay, yeah, you just buried me. I get that. But JT’s a guy where literally he thinks for just a second or two and is like, okay, here’s your answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. It’s great, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 15 :
And the thing I liked about him as well is you and I, we’re thinking along the exact same lines that he is, that the left, the Democrats, they are in disarray right now because there’s nobody keeping things in check right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
And let me tell you something. They have a few JTs that are not being listened to, and they’re getting very frustrated.
SPEAKER 15 :
And that’s a good thing for us, and we should be capitalizing on that. So, all right, Hour 3 is next. Don’t go anywhere. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 1 :
I’m a rich guy.
