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Join Mike Gallagher as he engages in a lively debate with Adam Swart, founder of Crowds on Demand, about the intricate world of organized protests. In this episode, the boundaries between activism and commerce blur, as Swart argues that paid protesters can serve as dedicated ambassadors of a cause. Gallagher probes the ethical implications of such practices, questioning the authenticity of protests when individuals are financially compensated for their participation. The episode explores how Crowds on Demand navigates different political spectrums, balancing requests from both conservative and liberal groups. Through passionate exchange, they address public skepticism and misconceptions about
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He’s the happy conservative warrior, Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide and seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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Protesting is uniquely American. I think a protest when somebody feels passionately about something is absolutely acceptable. Peaceful protests should be part of the American experience. But ultimately, some of these protests are evidently not particularly organic. And I came across an organization called Crowds on Demand, described as the original paid protesting firm. And I wanted to meet the founder to find out what the specifics are of this company where you can actually pay to have protesters show up for evidently any cause, any reason, any issue that you want to tackle. Adam Swart is the founder of Crowds on Demand, described as the original paid protesting firm, and he joins us now. Adam, welcome to the Mike Gallagher Show. It’s nice to see you. How are you?
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Hey, Mike, great to be with you. I’m on the road right now, but when they told me Mike Gallagher wanted to talk to me, I was like, you know what, I’ll always make time for you.
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You say that to all the conservative hosts who invite you on, but that’s okay, and we appreciate you joining us from your road trip. I understand you join us from across the pond. You’re all the way in London today, so thank you. And Adam, and let me start by giving you some kudos because, look, you’re savvy enough to know that in the world that I’m in, in conservative media, we view sort of paid protests with a great deal of skepticism, a great deal of cynicism. So you’re a good sport for coming on, and I appreciate your willingness to come on the show and answer some of the questions we have about your company, Crowds on Demand. Look, I’m a capitalist. I appreciate an entrepreneurial effort, and I understand the company is doing well. So walk us through what this looks like, because, for example, I’m told that your company has seen a 400% surge in in requests for Washington, D.C.-based events compared to the same period last year. Boy, that’s a lot of pro-Trump protests, protesters who have been reaching out to you, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, Mike, let me just clarify a few things about crowds on demand. So one misnomer is that we have anything to do with the riots. Obviously, that’s not true. I wouldn’t be on your show or any other show if I was engaged in illegal activity. Why would I want to draw attention to myself? So obviously, we don’t engage in any form of illegal protest, right? Second thing is that we work both with people on the left and the right and a lot of times in between a cause that may not be super political or promoting companies, right? So that’s kind of misnomer number two. Misnomer number three is that the people who that we pay don’t care about the issue. Everyone that we pay, whether they’re on the left or on the right, does care about the issue. We vet them for that. We’re paying them for their time, which actually often supports conservatives. Because if you’re a hippie with a trust fund, you can go to as many protests as you want. While if you’re a conservative who has a job and a family, it’s actually tougher to do that. So we actually facilitate a lot of conservative engagement. So those are just a few kind of a little bit of misnomers about our business. So I’m happy to talk a little bit about that. And in regards to D.C., I mean, we get a lot of requests. I mean, basically about every major kind of issue of public concern. And the reason is because we’re the best known, best regarded protest company in the country. We’re known, again, for being legal, honest people. persuasive, and that’s why we get these requests. We’ve been in business 13 years because we do things the right way.
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Yeah, but you know, I mean, I’m pulling your leg at a bunch of pro-Trump protests in D.C. because if there’s a 400% surge in requests for paid protests in D.C. this year, those are all, if not almost all, anti-Trump, anti-Trump administration protests. And so we know that. And I guess, you know, from the big picture point of view, it’s difficult for us to wrap our brain around paying somebody to walk around with a protest sign because the way us naive people look at protests, it is organic. It is passionate. It is born out of an authentic… spontaneous need to let my voice be heard. I want to take to the streets because I’m so in your case, you’re paying. I guess people pay you and then you pay the protesters. You know, what do you say to those of us who say there’s nothing authentic about your protests? This is these are people who want to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that, but they’re doing so under the guise of a spontaneous, authentic protest. Your protests are as about authentic as good old-fashioned astroturf.
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Well, Mike, I would I would point out a couple of things. Right. So most of our people who get paid to protest get paid a few hundred bucks to protest. Right. Compare that with Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, who are paid to express their opinions. But except instead of paying a few hundred, they’re paid hundreds of millions of dollars over the years to express their opinions. But everybody says, OK, well, Sean Hannity is talking. Rachel Maddow is talking. Oh, well, they’re sincere, despite getting eight, nine figures compensation. But somebody who’s getting a few hundred dollars is not sincere.
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So wait a minute. So Adam, so you would compare your protesters who are paid several hundred dollars apiece, which, wow, that’s those are some big numbers, actually. You would compare them to a broadcaster, a talk show host. who has spent years, maybe decades, and look, I’ll look at myself. You’re comparing somebody in the street with a picket sign to a talk show host like me?
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They’re an ambassador for the cause. What Crowds on Demand provides, we’re not providing random homeless people on the street who don’t care about the issue. We’re providing ambassadors for the cause. For example, we’ve highlighted women’s issues with people who have experienced domestic violence. We’ve highlighted environmental issues with passionate environmentalists. We’ve highlighted crime and police, the lack of police with people who have been crime victims. When we provide protesters, Mike, we’re providing ambassadors for the subject. So, of course, we pay them $100, $200, $300 plus depending on the cause because they are ambassadors for the cause. I don’t want to provide the people who are fodder for whatever the opposition is to say, oh, well, they don’t know the issue. So I think that’s kind of the number. And I’m not saying…
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We see all these white boomers, and that’s, let’s face it, Adam, when we look at these no kings protests and the Trump is an emperor protest and all this crap, Trump’s Hitler, you see people marching around. Adam, they all look like they’re out of central casting. They all look like white boomers. These are like white, older white Americans who probably went topless at Woodstock. And now here they are, now in 2025, saying, I’m going to condemn the 45th and 47th president of the United States. And when I heard that, and people said, well, these people are being paid, I thought, well, no, they’re not being paid. Well, it looks like many of them are. And Adam, I mean, I want you to kind of walk me through this. I want 100 people outside my studio to have a I Love Mike Gallagher protest. How does this work? How would it work? I’d go to crowds on demand online and I would submit a quote or you would give me a quote rather for the hundred pro Mike Gallagher protesters. First of all, would you take my money? Second of all, how do you and how do you. And how do you vet somebody to make sure that they are legitimate Mike Gallagher fans and supporters? I mean, how does the process work? What would it cost me to rent 100 pro-Mike protesters outside my studio tomorrow?
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Well, first of all, Mike, the people that we have, it wouldn’t be hard because we would have people who are fans of conservative talk radio. They either know about you already, but a lot of your fans, for example, let’s just say this is actually a great example. I think there are a lot of people who actually would be fans of you, but probably wouldn’t show up outside your studio unless they were compensated to do it. But that doesn’t mean they don’t like you. That just means they’ve got other things to do.
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But that’s not a legitimate protest. That’s not people out there because they love me. That’s people going out there because they want a couple hundred bucks.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, it’s because they love you and the couple hundred bucks compensates them for driving all the way over there, parking, putting their kids in daycare, right? And so I guess you and I have, I think, a little bit of a disagreement, Mike, on what a protest is. In my opinion, a protest is a way to get attention. It is not a plebiscite. I think people who interpret it as a plebiscite of like, okay, there’s 300 people on one side of the issue protesting, 50 people on the other, so therefore people are six to one in favor of that issue. I think that is actually a misinterpretation of what a protest is. I think Nixon had it right when he talked about the silent majority, right? A lot of times the protest, what that does is actually gets attention. It gets media. It galvanizes. It serves as a catalyst, right? A lot of the movements that you probably like the most, Mike, were kind of quote-unquote astroturf aid initially, such as the Tea Party movement. But it grew because it tapped into a zeitgeist. Other movements did not grow despite a ton of money, such as Jeb Bush’s failed presidential effort. He put hundreds of millions of dollars. It failed, right? He got attention, but ultimately it was fruitless because people didn’t like Jeb, right? So what happens is money and, you know, protests and all that, that gets your cause, your company attention. But the cause and the company still has to be good and still has to be compelling. So that’s what crowdfunding does.
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All right, so let’s go back to the pro-Gallagher protest. I want a pro-demonstration of 100 Mike Gallagher fans outside my studios at a date to be determined later. What would that cost me? What would that cost me if I went to Crowds on Demand? What would you charge me to have 100 supporters outside my building?
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Well, I wouldn’t give you a specific number. I’d have to look more in detail about sort of the demographic that you would want in there. But it would probably run you somewhere in the five figures to be sure. I don’t know where it would land in those five figures, but it would certainly be somewhere in the five figures to get that. But, Mike, what I would say, if you said, hey, I want to market the show, what might be more effective than that is to have protesters outside because you are your supporters, but you are also your adversaries. Imagine if whoever doesn’t like you was out there. It would actually probably get more attention and be more compelling.
SPEAKER 23 :
Look, you’re more media savvy than I thought you were. So, yeah, you know how this works, and you’re right. Just spell my name right, and I get that. But on the other hand, and I have to close on a serious note. I know. And I do appreciate your willingness to explain crowds on demand because, again, I’m sure you get plenty of criticism. I mean, my text line right now is lighting up with people who are just saying this is a bad idea. I don’t like this. This is wrong. This is wrong on every level. And I know you’ve gotten that pushback before. I would just tell you the reason, and I don’t want to be antagonistic towards you, Adam, but what I would say is this. You mentioned protests that I’ve witnessed or covered over my years of doing this for a living. The March on Washington for the pro-life movement comes to mind. Thousands and millions of people go out and brave the January cold to protest on behalf of the unborn, right? If I knew that those protesters weren’t out there because they loved life, they weren’t out there organically or because they were moved to do so, but they were actually getting paid, that would break my heart, Adam, because that’s not a legitimate protest. You’re, you know, I think the late great Rush Limbaugh used the phrase.
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What’s that? There’s a lot of money behind the pro-life and the pro-choice movement, I can assure you. There’s billions of dollars behind the pro-life and the pro-choice movement. Yeah, you’re right. I get it. You’re a smart guy, Mike. You know there’s a ton of money behind the pro-life movement and the pro-choice movement. That doesn’t mean people don’t support both of those movements. There are very passionate people on both sides of that movement. I’m not getting involved in that debate, but I’m saying that… I get it.
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I get it, but saying there’s a lot of money behind it is different than saying we’re going to pay everybody who goes out and takes a stand with a picket sign a couple hundred bucks. It’s just… Look, this is kind of new to me. I I mean, maybe the best text I got is from somebody in North Carolina who said, Mike, please post this interview with your guest, Adam, who sounds like a good guy, but please post it so that everybody can be aware of this because I didn’t think this was real. I’m telling you, Adam Swart, a lot of people thought this is just a mythical concept. But thanks to your willingness to, you know, your transparency, people are learning, oh, no, it’s very real. You can rent a crowd of protesters through crowdsondemand.com. And so, you know, well, I’m going to leave it to the audience to decide whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing. I’m going to turn it over to them at 800-655-MIKE. But, Adam, please know how much I appreciate you taking time out of your day to join us from London. And maybe you can pop back on and visit with us again sometime.
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Anytime, Mike. Pleasure to be with you, and my best to your audience.
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You got it. Thanks. Adam Swart, founder of Crowds on Demand. All right, let me turn it over to you. 800-655-MIKE. This seems to me to be a bad idea on just about every level, but again, I appreciate his willingness to explain it. Give me your take. 800-655-MIKE. 800-655-6453. Join us here in the Relief Factor Studios. Ph.D. weight loss has changed my life, and I’ve got a little secret for you. You know Big Pharma and semaglutide and the shots in the belly. You’ve seen the story recently about the study that shows that a lot of people that are getting this are going blind. You don’t want to do this. You want a program to lose weight that’s centered around science and nutrition, a proven roadmap that has helped over 8,000 clients lose weight and keep it off, like me. I lost 53 pounds a few years ago, and I’ve kept it off. I know what to eat and when. I know how to quiet any of the cravings I might get and finally release that unhealthy belly fat that I carried along for so long. Make the phone call that can change your life in the way it changed mine. It’s called PhD Weight Loss. PhD Weight Loss, Dr. Ashley Lucas’ program is brilliant. And how do I know? Well, 53 pounds later, here I am. 864-644-1900 is their number. Call and schedule your consultation. You can do this program from anywhere in America. Call 864-644-1900, 864-644-1900, or visit MyPhDWeightLoss.com.
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That was quite a moment over on CNN when Abby Phillips thought she was… Criticizing President Trump by calling him Batman and the nation’s crime fighter-in-chief, that’s obviously a role that Americans relish, because sticking with CNN for a moment, their numbers guy, their data guy, Harry Enten, reports that Americans overwhelmingly support President Trump’s approach to crime in places like Washington, D.C.,
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Because Donald Trump is like Air Jordan towering over Joe Biden when it comes to their handling of crime. Look, in 2024, look at where Biden’s net approval was on crime. Way underwater there at minus 26 points. It was one of Biden’s worst issues. Granted, pretty much every issue was one of Biden’s worst issues. And again, look at where Donald Trump is. way, way, way above Joe Biden. What is that? That’s 27 points. So Americans vastly prefer Donald Trump’s approach to crime than they did to Joe Biden’s. And again, I think it gets back to the point that Americans are far more hawkish on crime than a lot of Democrats want to admit.
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Well, there you go. There’s CNN having to admit that once more, Democrats are on the 20% side of any 80-20 issue. They always gravitate to the most unpopular position in America. That’s the side that the Democrat hierarchy always takes. In fact, interestingly, with this guest we just had, the paid protest guy, The angry texts that I’m getting right now on the MyPillow text line are mad at me for challenging him, and they’re all lefties. They love the idea of fake, sort of inauthentic paid protests. And I have to admit, this was a new thing to me. I understand. Here’s a text message from California, which kind of connects the dots here. Hey, Mike, how many times have you seen an interview with a lefty protester and they have absolutely no clue about the issue that they’re protesting? Countless times their typical response is, I don’t know, I got a check and was told to show up and grab a sign. This is all BS. Let’s get your reaction to Adam Swartz’s appearance here on the show, the founder of Crowds on Demand. Tommy’s in Jersey. Hey, Tommy, welcome aboard.
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Hi, Mike. Hi. The question I would have, if these people are sincere and they’re pre-screened and you move very quickly, how are they contacted? How did you advertise from the contact you let them be prepared for ready to come to a protest? What organizations have you contacted? What kind of number of people do you have ready to go on the liberal side? How many do you have ready to go on the conservative side?
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, and to your point, how do you even vet somebody? He said we vet protesters before we pay them. What do you do, strap them to a lie detector test? I mean, there are plenty of people who want an easy way to make a few hundred bucks, stand out in front of a building somewhere on a Saturday morning. You have no idea what their ideology is. How can you confirm that they are the protester they say they are? No way to do it. Right, Mike. Yep, okay, appreciate it. Quickly, I’ve got to get a bunch of calls in here. 800-655-MIKE. Jessica is in Pennsylvania. Jessica, welcome. How are you? Good, how are you, Mike? I’m good. I’m just kind of astounded at crowds on demand. What did you think?
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Well, I’ve been a brand ambassador for almost 20 years, and even I pick and choose the brands that I represent. Like, I’m a nutritionist. I wouldn’t represent any, like, cigarettes, so… And vice versa, the companies that we work for, they kind of look for a look when they’re, you know, promoting their brands. But at the same time, like, what he’s saying is, like, beyond that. Like, you have to have a passion for a protest. I mean, I’m just getting paid to, like, say, hey, I like this wine. You know, that’s not a big deal. But, hey, I want to, like, destroy our country. That’s a whole other thing.
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Well, he really threw me. I have to admit, I was kind of flustered when he started bringing up, when he compared paid protesters to talk show hosts. You know, he mentioned Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow trying to give an example of a conservative and a liberal on TV. Well, it’s what I do. And look, I admit, I make a good living. And I’m paid to express my opinions on radio and TV. He says these are people paid to express their opinions in the streets, comparing an organized protest to a talk show host. And that kind of blew my mind a little bit. Here’s Pennsylvania. A lot of text messages. The text line blowing up today, 800-655-MIKE. You know, one number does it all, call or text, 800-655-6453. Philly says, your guest completely invalidated every so-called protest. These protesters, quote-unquote, could not care less about the given subject. Give somebody a couple hundred dollars, doesn’t matter what the subject is, they’ll take whatever side you pay them to. Jeff’s in Toccoa, Georgia. Hi, Jeff. You’re on the Mike Gallagher Show. How are you? All right. How are you doing today? I’m good, thanks. What do you think about crowds on demand?
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I think they just… Okay, we’re protesting. It’s our constitutional right to protest. Now you just took the Constitution out of it, and now you made it illegal. I would think illegal. You have no right. You’re paid. It’s not your freedom of speech. You’re a paid employee. You’re not a freedom of speech. You’re paid for doing it.
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Yeah, I’m not sure it takes away anybody. I mean, the guy’s free to have a business. You’re free to take the money. You’re free to stand up and say, oh, I hate Trump. Give me $300 and I’ll stand outside the White House. and bang pots and pans together for a couple hours. I don’t think that, I think you have a right to do that. I don’t think, this isn’t a rights issue, but you’re right, you are correct when you point out that any pretense of objectivity is just, look, let’s face it, you got billionaires who are community organizers. We all know who they are. They got deep pockets, right? This comes back to this peculiar phenomenon of how all of these Trump protesters are white boomers. It’s one category. And it looks like a lot of retired people. Well, that makes sense. These are people who have time on their hands. They don’t have a job. They can afford to stand around and hold a sign that says Trump is a fascist or Trump’s a Nazi on a Friday or whatever day of the week it is. They’re retired. They have a life of leisure, perhaps. And there is nothing organic, authentic, or certainly spontaneous behind it. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. And I’m intrigued by all of it, but I wanted to, again, I’m glad the guy came on, and I appreciate the opportunity to sort of explore this very strange issue. I saw a couple of posts yesterday from Eric Erickson out of Atlanta who said that I’ve never really been a fan of Jeanine Pirro on Fox News. I always thought Jeanine Pirro… what was kind of a caricature, kind of a cartoon character. I’m paraphrasing here. But he gave her all kinds of credit for her role as U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia. Eric said, wow, what an incredible job she’s doing. What an amazing diligence she has. And it’s so funny, she was standing next to President Trump yesterday and Pete Hegseth, and she’s short. She’s a short, she’s a little lady. She’s mighty, but she’s short. And she’s barely above the podium with the big presidential seal. They should have gotten her a box, but they didn’t. Anyway, here she is yesterday talking about the way criminals in the District of Columbia, who happen to be below the age of 18… feel emboldened, they feel entitled, they feel completely free to hurt people and commit awful acts of violence and crime because they don’t think they’re accountable.
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Young criminals in D.C. have been emboldened to commit crimes because they believe that they’re not accountable. And why do they believe that? Because they are not accountable. We’ve got a D.C. council that has passed laws that make it almost impossible for me as both federal prosecutor and kind of quasi local prosecutor to be able to incarcerate these kids. I can’t even prosecute a teen who’s 17, 18, 19 years old. Forget the 14, 15-year-olds who shoot someone with a gun. If you shoot someone with a gun in D.C. and you’re up to 19 years of age, I can’t even indict you.
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What a tough-talking bit of common sense. And let me give you an example of a lack of common sense. You know, some of these elder statesmen of the Democrat Party are so out to lunch it isn’t even funny. And check out some of the stalwarts of today’s Democrats. Look at Chuck Schumer. Here he is on a podcast claiming that any narrative that D.C. is dangerous is The people who are saying that are full of it because, after all, well, Senator Schumer has never been mugged in the District of Columbia. Senator, are you scared walking around Washington, D.C.
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these days?
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I walk around all the time. I wake up early in the morning sometimes and take a nice walk as the sun is rising around some of the Capitol and the other monuments and things. And I feel perfectly safe. They’re full of it.
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They’re full of it. There’s no crime in D.C. I get up at the sunshine and I walk. And nobody has shot me yet. Nobody’s mugged me. Nobody’s stabbed me. Nobody’s carjacked me, says Chuck Schumer. Isn’t it wild to see how even the so-called smart veteran Democrats have gravitated to the absolute wrong side of this issue? Chuck Schumer on the side of the criminals. Period. That’s not hyperbole. Barbara Lee. Let me give you another example of another veteran Democrat last night on CNN.
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But let me just say also, it’s not lost on anyone that the cities that he is calling out, first of all, have large numbers of black and brown people. Secondly, the crime rate is going down in all of these cities. Thirdly, they’re all headed by black mayors. Now, what does that say? What does that picture paint? So we all know who he is.
SPEAKER 23 :
Ah, that’s what it is. It’s racist. That’s what it’s all about. Trump just doesn’t like black mayors. Has nothing to do with all the people who have been carjacked and murdered. No, no, no. He’s racist. And they spread this one around. They clearly sent out a mass email on this talking point. First you have that goofy argument from Barbara Lee. Let me give you the mayor of Kansas City, Missouri, Quentin Lucas.
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This is nothing but a wedge issue against American cities and against American mayors who largely don’t have the same megaphone to respond.
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Something you just mentioned is the cities that he’s calling out and the cities that he’s focused on, as you mentioned, many of them black mayors. Do you think there’s race driving this?
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You know, I think there is. I won’t say that’s like the totality of it, but I absolutely think it is. You’re trying to create a counterpoint often in politics. And what is a better counterpoint than Donald Trump in whatever way you see him and a mayor? Black women mayors have been the subject of lots of attacks. I think Karen Bass from really the moment President Trump came to office in L.A. as someone who’s had to deal with that back and forth. He likes to pick fights. I think he sees the situation where there’s that distinction. And by the way, this is one of the best fights to pick, because what I have to sit in front of you and say is, yes, there are homicides in my city. Yes, there is crime. But we don’t think the same prescription of help is necessary. It’s a tough position. But I think, frankly, this is the situation we’re in. And he’s not really interested in trying to save lives for us, but just exploiting the political issue.
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I really love this. I am so delighted at these Democrats being dumb enough to fall into this trap, and they have. I say this all the time. All they got to do is be normal, normal people. Let me go back to Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York. This was just last year, March of 2024. She pops up on The View. and is bragging about doing exactly what Trump is doing today in places like Washington, D.C. The rage is coming from these dummies and these out-of-touch Democrats because Trump is sending in the National Guard, right? Well, let’s compare that rage to Governor Kathy Hochul’s delight at her action of sending the National Guard into the New York City subway stations last year.
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My job is to keep people safe. I have to do any way I can. I’m going to keep New Yorkers safe. And I’ll tell you who does show appreciation. The people out there on the streets. I’ve been walking the streets. I walk into business. People are just saying, thank you for taking such strong action. I needed to do something dramatic and quickly to send a message that you will not get away with committing crimes in our subways.
SPEAKER 23 :
Wow. Oh, way to go. That’s it, Governor. Yay! So when a Democrat… sends in the National Guard. That’s a great thing. When Trump does it, he’s a fascist and a dictator and a Nazi. Good. Keep it up, Democrats. The midterm elections are coming. Normal people are paying attention. Normal Americans are noticing how nuts you are. You guys keep gravitating to the 20% of the issues, and we’ll do just fine come November 2026. Every single day, it’s a joy to remind you that portions of our show are sponsored by MyPillow. As you know, our friend Mike Lindell, big legal victory last week. He’s been in a ton of hot water, as you know, because he believes in election integrity. Of course, due to his friendship with President Trump. Well, last week, there was a $5 million vote. judgment against Mike that was overturned by the courts. Good news for MyPillow. So you keep praying for MyPillow, and you keep supporting this great American company. The premium MyPillow, limited time, great price, $18.98. If you go to MyPillow.com, this pillow is a godsend. Look, I bring the MyPillow products with me when I’m on the road. Here at the hotel in Washington State, I’ve got the MySlippers with me, those unbelievable slippers, because I pat around in the hotel room. I don’t know what’s on that rug. I bring the MyPillow with me. I roll it up into the suitcase. I’ve even got my MyPillow loungewear. Tons of great products. If you haven’t been to the site in a while, go check it out. Go to MyPillow.com. Look for the Mike Gallagher specials. Click on that box. And with anything you order, enter the promo code MikeG. You’re going to save big. The slippers, the doggy beds, and the Giza dream sheets. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. MyPillow.com. Promo code MikeG. Or call 800-928-6034. 800-928-6034. Like we love to sing.
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He’s the happy conservative warrior. Mike Gallagher, broadcasting across hundreds of radio stations nationwide. And seen on your trusted conservative TV network, Salem News Channel. Here’s Mike.
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I always like to ask never-ending questions. One of them is, how can the Democrats be inclined to continually oppose what most normal Americans support? And I honestly, I absolutely don’t get it. I think I finally figured it out. I have the mayor of Chicago to thank. Mayor Brandon Johnson came to the rescue. This guy was being interviewed. I don’t even know if it was an interview. I think it was. Maybe it was a podcast. Now, Mayor Brandon Johnson is arguably the most unpopular mayor in America. He makes Zoran Mamdani look like, you know, I don’t know, Einstein. But he explains why he’s defeating the Trump administration. I have a clip that I swear to you is not made up. This isn’t AI footage. This is the real deal. I give you the mayor of Chicago explaining why he believes he is being victorious in his never-ending skirmishes against Donald J. Trump.
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I would just say it like this, that the president has always been intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men. And so, of course, he would speak in those petite and puerile terms.
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There it is. That’s it. They’re smarter than we are. The Democrats are just smarter. And they’re outsmarting President Trump because President Trump, according to Mayor Johnson, is… afraid of the intellectual prowess of people like Brandon Johnson. That’s what it is. It took me a long time, because that guy, he is a giant of intellect. This guy is a brilliant, brilliant mayor. Now, he’s got that little pesky problem of, like, you know, nobody likes him. Chicago is… beyond mortified that he’s in office, but he’s still smart. He’s got the intellectual prowess that Donald Trump is intimidated by. Now, there is a difference between Brandon Johnson and Zoran Mamdani. I admit, Mamdani is no dummy. This kid is smart and shrewd and effective. And All signs are pointing toward a victory for this communist. And that should be a wake-up call. I played a clip the other day from George Will on Bill Maher’s show on HBO where Bill Maher, I mean, where George Will said, look, I hope he wins. Because every 20 years or so, America has to be reminded of just how catastrophic things can become. If a communist becomes the mayor of New York City, and I’m not just name calling here, Mamdani believes in all the communist ideologies. He believes in punishing the wealthy. He believes in redistribution of the wealth. He wants to run government-sponsored grocery stores. He wants to abolish and defund police. He has said it over and over and over again. Look, sanctuary city? That’s child’s play. Of course Zoran Mamdani wants to keep New York City as a sanctuary city, inviting illegals and criminals into the city to wreak continual havoc upon the law-abiding citizens of New York. Of course he wants New York to be a sanctuary city. In fact, he said it himself.
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We are fighting to keep this city a sanctuary city. We will continue to uphold that status and ensure that we do not allow ICE agents entry into New York City properties unless they can provide a judicial warrant signed by a judge. We will not be accomplices in the attempt to fulfill Donald Trump’s promise to create the largest deportation machine this country has ever seen.
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You know, I have a number of friends and associates and colleagues in New York City. I go there on a pretty regular basis. When I talk to them, they are absolutely terrified. And I’d like to believe that if Mamdani wins, it won’t be as bad as we think it could be. But, of course, there’s that fear that it will be. that New York City is gonna become a cesspool Now, you start going down this process in your mind, will there be checks and balances? Will there be enough normal people on the New York City Council to stop him? Will Hochul stop him? After all, Hochul was the one, the governor, who bragged about sending the National Guard into the New York City subways last year. She was really excited about that and very positive. So, okay, can she stop him? Democrats are privately saying, oh my lord. They’re about to do it. They’re about to elect this guy. And all the polling is suggesting he’s going to win. There is one way he can be stopped. And there’s only one way, I think, he can be stopped. I’ve given up on counting on logic and sanity here. from leftists in cities like New York. I’ve given up on that a long time ago. That may not happen. The only chance New York has is if the candidates who are opposing him, namely the current mayor, Eric Adams, the former governor, Andrew Cuomo, who’s a mayoral candidate, and my friend and former colleague, Republican Curtis Sliwa, if those three consolidate, if they join forces and represent one voice, one vote, one candidate, if one of those three, and I, of course, I want it to be Curtis. In a perfect world for me, Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo would say, look, we don’t stand a chance. We’re not going to beat this guy. Curtis Sliwa obviously offers the opposite of everything Zoran Mamdani stands for. We’re going to go behind Curtis. Curtis is the candidate. Voters can choose between Zoran Mamdani and Curtis Sliwa. And only Zoran Mamdani and Curtis Sliwa. That’s my perfect world. It could be any one of them. At this point, I don’t give a rat’s rear end if it’s Adams or Cuomo or Curtis or Ronald McDonald. If one person instead of three, because they’re going to split the vote. They’re going to split the vote completely. And Mamdani is going to waltz in there. And he knows it. And his supporters know it. So there is only one solution here. And we’ll see. These are men of big egos. These are men with strong type A personalities. And to talk Eric Adams into throwing in the towel, or Andrew Cuomo to do what’s right for the city of New York, or Curtis Lewa to say, look, we’re going to coalesce behind one of us, That’s a really tall order. I don’t know that it can happen. But as bad things are right now in New York, and you’re hearing from somebody who’s there regularly… The homeless have gotten incredibly aggressive. You walk down the street, people jump out at you. The stench of marijuana is everywhere. Crime is still real. This isn’t just anecdotal. That’s a fact. People are jumping the turnstiles. I’ve never ridden the subway in the last four years where I don’t see at least one person jumping the turnstile. And it’s often well-dressed people who can afford the three bucks or whatever it is to swipe the MetroCard and ride the subway. They don’t want to. They don’t think they have to. The police are, I guess, handcuffed from, they’re prevented from enforcing the law. And they’re stealing. They’re stealing. I look at that person who jumps over the turnstile in amazement. Of course, I’m not going to confront them because I don’t want a knife plunged into my throat. I’d like to live. Because if you’re a degenerate enough to jump over a turnstile and steal, that way, only Lord knows what else you’re capable of doing. But look, maybe George Will is right. Maybe this has to happen. Maybe we have to just see how much destruction a communist… an actual bona fide communist can bring to the city of New York. 800-655-MIKE, 17 past the hour. We’re in the Relief Factor studios. And again, I’m not exaggerating this. This is not rhetorical hyperbole here. The fear that people in New York are having right now is palpable It’s a sense of dread. It’s a feeling of anxiety. People don’t want to have to have their head on a swivel to walk down the street. This lunatic wants to put homeless shelters in the subway stations. That’s an actual policy of this guy. My gosh. 800-655-MIKE, 800-655-6453. Hope you join me And I feel, I’ve said this to you before, the word I used is ashamed to almost want it to happen. The word I’ve used is almost, I feel sorrowful. I am sorrowful that I am absolutely on the verge of saying, hey, New York, get what you deserve. Let it happen. Let an actual communist be your mayor. And watch the city disintegrate. And then maybe, just maybe, it’ll never happen again. But in the meantime, the reason I’m sorrowful is that I know that in the meantime, people are going to get hurt. People are going to get killed. Businesses are going to collapse. And the city is going to become a hellscape. And we’re going to sit around a year or two or three from now and say, well, we knew it was going to happen.
SPEAKER 21 :
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SPEAKER 20 :
The Mike Gallagher Show on Salem News Channel and the Salem Radio Network.
SPEAKER 12 :
When it comes to two things, crime and the economy, feelings don’t really care about your facts. And I can’t tell you how profoundly stupid it is for Democrats to get up with their facts and their figures and their charts and their graphs and say, look, you’re safe. Can’t you read this chart, idiots? Why are you complaining? I’m showing you right here how safe you are. So shut up and move along. I don’t have to tell you how profoundly stupid that is because voters told you how profoundly stupid that was in 2024.
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In the ReliefFactor.com studios, here’s Mike.
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I love watching the experts try to give cover to Mamdani in New York. I was reading an article over at Heritage.org, Mike Gonzalez. He basically says, look, Mamdani is the mayor New York Democrats deserve. There is something fitting about New York Democrats… lifting up a full-fledged communist. He writes, Mamdani spouts Marxist rhetoric right and left, or left and far left. He’s foresees in the means of production. He believes in the maxim to each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities. Reasonably, President Trump has referred to Mamdani as a 100% communist lunatic. which, you know, is, as the writer of this article says, reasonable. PolitiFact ridiculously tut-tutted. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here’s what PolitiFact said. Experts in political parties and movements said Mamdani’s passing remark is associated with communism, but it’s hard to say much more about Mamdani’s views. Who on earth are these experts? In the Communist Manifesto of 1848, Karl Marx wrote that the workers would need to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state. Look, Mamdani has denied it, appearing on Meet the Press in June. Mamdani was asked point blank, are you a communist? And he answered with his patented words. crap-eating grin smile. No, I’m not. Unfortunately for him, there is actually a record of Fidel Castro also appearing on the very same show, Meet the Press, on NBC in 1959, and also insisting, I am not a communist. Mike Gonzalez over at Heritage writes, I’ve seen this movie before, and it’s a horror show. As a 12-year-old boy, I made it to Europe with my mother and sister after having spent my young life in communist Cuba, where all the stores were state-owned. The thing that struck me first was that I finally realized why stores had shelves to carry goods. Shelves were stocked with cans, sacks of flour, sugar, pickle jars, rice. I had never seen that ever in Fidel Castro’s Caribbean communist paradise. He says, good luck, New York City. Good luck, Big Apple. You’re going to need it. The mayor that New York, thankfully, he went to Staten Island. And I had a feeling when I heard about his visit to Staten Island, maybe, just maybe, Staten Islanders would give him a good old-fashioned Bronx cheer. Here’s a Bronx cheer on Staten Island. If I lived in New York again full-time, Forget Manhattan. Forget the Upper West Side. Forget Riverside. I’d live in Staten Island because, frankly, these are my kind of people. Check out what happened when Mamdani and his entourage and all the sycophant cameras and photographers and reporters came trailing him. Listen to what Staten Islanders did with Mamdani.
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Sorry, I want something to eat. I don’t like something to eat. Let me tell you something, you are not welcome in this fucking island. Hey, Mr. Mandandy, can I talk to you? This is my island. You’re not welcome here, fucker.
SPEAKER 23 :
And there’s Mom Donnie grinning away that big cheesy smile. Maybe he’ll make a TikTok video out of that one, huh? He’s a TikTok candidate. This is it. And this is in a way where all of these smart kids, the TikTokers and all the folks that live in that space, they live on social media. Look, maybe New York is going to get exactly what it deserves. Portions of our show are sponsored by Hotel Heartness, my home away from home. Every time I’m in the upstate, I get to stay in the hotel, the property that Travel and Leisure’s World Best rates as the number one resort in the entire state of South Carolina. It’s the third best resort rated by them in the U.S., number 24 worldwide. It’s right in the upstate. You can stay there, too. Go to hotelheartness.com, hotelheartness.com. Do you agree with the position that a lot of people are starting to take that if New Yorkers are crazy enough to elect a communist to be their mayor, let them have it? Let them have it. Here’s San Antonio writes, Mike, I understand. Let them try the experiment, the communist experiment, that is, and fail. The problem is… When they fail, all of us red states who have our heads on straight are going to have to be bailing them out. I guarantee you, people are already making plans to move out of New York City. They think this is going to happen. This freight train is coming down the track, and they want to get out of the way. Here’s Mark in Kentucky. Hey, Mark, welcome back. How are you doing?
SPEAKER 05 :
Doing good, Mark. Good. I wanted to comment on… If Zoran Mamboloni gets elected by the crazy liberal New Yorkers, what’s going to happen is he’s going to make it a sanctuary city for Hamas and other violent terrorists that are actually being funded by Iran. And they aren’t going to stop doing that. And Mamboloni, he also agrees with gerrymandering, as Governor Hochul does. And how’s that going to work with them gerrymandering and wanting more senators when they’re actually losing population to Texas? Right.
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So to my question, Mark, do you believe that, do you hope, is there a part of you that hopes that he wins just to show the disaster that could ensue? Or are you hoping that he gets defeated?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I would hope they would be smart enough, but I don’t have any faith in them being that smart.
SPEAKER 23 :
I know.
SPEAKER 05 :
So, you know, they get what they deserve. If they vote them in, you know, hey, that’s their culture.
SPEAKER 23 :
All right, let’s see what others have to say. One open line. Do you want him to win, like George Will said the other day? Do you have that George Will clip somewhere? George Will said, look, I’m a Republican. I hope he wins. And Maher was shocked. He said, what? And George Will said, every 20 years or so, We have to have an extremist like this, an extreme event that reminds the rest of the country what can happen. I just think about the people that I know and love who live there. I think about John Katsimatidis. What’s going to happen to the Gristiti supermarket chain? This is a company, a family-run business. The Katsimatidis family, they care for their workers. They care for their employees. They care for their community. John loves New York. I am heartbroken to think about what happens to New Yorkers like him.
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Michael Broderick, the original Phantom.
SPEAKER 03 :
Out of all the Kennedy Center honorees, I could have played some George Strait. That would have been great. Could have played some Kiss, which I’m prone to do. Gloria Gaynor, I will survive. That’s good, too. But no, no, no, no. For the mic segment, I got to bust out with some Michael Crawford and that mind-numbing Phantom of the Opera. I’m kidding. I’m kidding. I’m kidding. I tease because I love. Is that you? You, of all people, should know Phantom of the Opera. How much bang? How much hype? Is it as great as everyone says it is?
SPEAKER 23 :
It depends on your point of view. I saw a post on X yesterday from Katie Pavlich, and she said, hot take, Les Miserables isn’t that good. And it’s like Les Mis is like, it’s in the same, but it’s that same kind of genre. It’s like one of those classic Broadway musicals.
SPEAKER 03 :
Flamboyant European, you know, frou-frou, long, arduous, tranquilizer dart, you know, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER 23 :
Funny story about my dear, dear, dear friend. I don’t want to mention his name, but I worked with him for many years on the show. And we split up because of Trump. Because let’s face it, we’ve all had friendships and people that we’ve split up because of Trump. But this is a guy who was so loyal to me for many years and one of my best buddies. And I worked with him from New York City on. But anyway, the funny story is he’s a huge guy. He’s a big, big guy. I’m going to say… 400? Maybe 375? And his lovely wife, his precious wife, he’s been married for 100 years, they wound up, I think in London, seeing a production of Les Mis. And he said, here I am, all 375 pounds of me squeezed in.
SPEAKER 07 :
In a European theater seat.
SPEAKER 23 :
In a European theater in the last row of the balcony. He goes, my head was hitting the ceiling of the theater. And he said it was the most miserable three and a half hours. He goes, it felt like 300 hours. Jean Valjean. It was Miserable, right? It was Miserable.
SPEAKER 03 :
He was late Miserable.
SPEAKER 23 :
But I often think of him, though, and I think about, doggone it.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, when was this? When did the rift occur? And I, gosh, what’s to do with it? All right, okay.
SPEAKER 1 :
2016, 2017.
SPEAKER 03 :
Have we revisited? Have we healed? We have…
SPEAKER 23 :
Yeah, well, we have pleasantries over the years, maybe once or twice a year. But it’s not the same. Nothing like it was. Well, because he hates you.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t mean he hates you, but he’s no longer able to love you, no longer able to put you in his friend circle, not to channel somebody I don’t even know you’re talking about. But we’ve seen this dynamic happen all the time. I don’t want your dirty money from the other gentleman. Yeah. Trump hatred makes nice people mean. It makes nice people mean.
SPEAKER 23 :
It makes nice people mean and it makes smart people dumb. Well, let’s get mean and dumb here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let’s get right into it.
SPEAKER 23 :
I barely teased this decision that Trump is going to make on easing federal restrictions. I barely mentioned it to you yesterday. My text line, which I always like to remind everyone, is 800-655-MIKE. A lot of great instant feedback if you want to comment during the M&M experience. 800-655-6453. Barely mentioned it. I was called a commie rat bastard. I was called a monster.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s what we have to do. For momentarily agreeing with me that more intoxicants are bad? This is what earned you that?
SPEAKER 23 :
The pro-marijuana people, Mark, as you probably know. They need to twist one up because they are tense. They’re tense. And that’s part of what goes into this, though. We have to accept that we’ve got to realize this, that part of the challenge for President Trump and others who are dealing with this policy, and this is, look, here’s the context. Under the Controlled Substances Act, drugs are placed in a five-part schedule according to whether they have an accepted medical use or not. Drugs with no accepted medical use and a high risk of abuse, of course, are placed in Schedule 1. That’s where marijuana is right now. And you and I would say that’s where it belongs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, okay, sit tight, because here I am, Mr. Legalize Nothing, but I’ve always carved out a willingness for valid, valid, so much of this medical marijuana is a scam thing. But there is there such a thing as someone with a real problem that can really be helped with something that involves THC? Sure. So I want a doctor and a prescription and do it like you would anything else medicinal rather than having them go to some stupid corner store and load up on some gummies.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, that’s the question. I mean, you know, Luke Niferatos over at The Daily Caller said, look at Pennsylvania. Consider the claim that marijuana has already been an accepted medical use treatment. Pennsylvania in 2022, 17 doctors issued more than 132,000 medical marijuana certifications. There you are. Almost a third of the state’s total that year. Does that seem medically or scientifically sound?
SPEAKER 03 :
Like anything else, exactly. You know, which is true. So even as I talk about let’s have it be something that a real doctor does with a real prescription, you go to your doctor and go, oh, I’ve got something, something I’ve got to do. I’ve got glaucoma today. And they’re like, well, here’s this. It like any prescription. Listen, do we have an abuse of prescription drugs problem in America? Are we over prescribed in almost every way? Yes. So why would these things be any different? But I I’m nonetheless willing to hold out some avenue for I don’t want to stand astride all of this and say absolutely no. You with your valid medical need cannot get anything with THC in it. I just am wide open awake to the degree to which much of this is a scam from people who just want to get high.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, let’s just stipulate the medical marijuana thing is basically a ruse. You know, you’ve got all these supposed medical dispensaries. And let me go in. And I compared it yesterday briefly to the people who bring their little chihuahuas on an airplane and claim they’re a comfort animal. They’re a service dog. Oh, yeah, they’re a service dog. Mookie, you know, Mookie, the little schnauzer, is my service animal. Service animals are like for blind people who need a German shepherd to walk down the street. And they’re blind. They got the dog in one hand. They got the cane in the other. But that’s been abused. Well, that’s what they’re doing now with medical marijuana. Everything falls under. I’m tense. I have anxiety.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m stressed. Exactly. Who doesn’t have anxiety? Correct.
SPEAKER 23 :
Exactly. But you might have less anxiety if you get high. And the argument is, okay, if your choice to get less anxiety is to smoke marijuana, why shouldn’t you be allowed to do so, Mark? That’s the argument. What do you say to that? Well, because a lot of people…
SPEAKER 03 :
Why not give people a right to do that? Because it’s an intoxicant that makes us less safe, it makes us less productive, and there is no way in which society is made better by the legalization of more intoxicants.
SPEAKER 23 :
Period. Anytime you make an intoxicant or a mind-altering substance legal or more accessible, you’re making a mistake. I agree with completely what you’re saying, but let’s – but, Mark – You’re spitting in the wind here. I mean, go to walk down the street in some big cities. You got medical marijuana dispensaries on every corner. We talk about the you get you get high from the secondhand smoke of marijuana walking in New York City these days. It’s the cows out of the barn. And guess what? I think Trump’s going to do it. I believe that Trump. That’s what’s fascinating.
SPEAKER 03 :
If it is if it is a nuanced shade of difference between recognizing it as I mean, because he’s not going to. nationally legalized weed, but if it’s a shading… It’s the Schedule 1 thing.
SPEAKER 23 :
It’s easing the federal restrictions somewhat, and I don’t think that we’re going to get anywhere to oppose it, and I believe it’s going to happen, Mark.
SPEAKER 03 :
I will tell you one thing. There are those who say, and I think I’m probably one of these people saying it too, does it really matter? What’s a federal drug? I think the only federal drug law should be don’t bring it into the country. Once you’re inside the country, I think 1,000% of these weed laws ought to be state by state? Meaning if a state is stupid enough to have legal weed, knock yourself out.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, you know, this article in the Daily Caller, which, believe me, it is very much like how you and I feel in our hearts. In fact, the headline is, Trump flirts with disaster as he mulls over going soft on pot. But there’s a line in the article that this guy unwittingly wrote probably telegraphs what Trump’s going to do. The president has promised to make life better for everyday Americans. I can promise you that our text lines and our call lines and our audience is filled with people who say, my life would be made better if federal restrictions on marijuana would be eased.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would say, well, that’s you. Society is not made better. Society is not made better. Aren’t we society, Mark? No, society is broadly some individual saying, I feel better if I can get a prescription bottle full of joints. Yeah, guess what? It ain’t always about you.
SPEAKER 23 :
Big guest today on the show who is definitely somebody who is not somebody I’d agree with, but I hear he’s a pretty good sport about coming into conservative media. He’s the founder of the original paid protesting firm. You know, all these no kings and all these various anti-Trump protests in Dallas and all over the country, they all have one thing in common, right? They all look the same.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re all right out of central casting. Similar placards. Well, they look like you and me.
SPEAKER 23 :
They’re all boomers. They’re all white boomers. They’re all white people in their 60s and 70s. So what do they have in common? Well, perhaps it’s because they came from crowds on demand. Crowds on Demand.
SPEAKER 03 :
I heard about this. If you want to protest, if you’re looking to make a protest, who are you going to call?
SPEAKER 23 :
You call Crowds on Demand. And Adam Swart is the founder. And he’s going to come on the show today.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you pretend to be liberal crowds? I mean, can I gin up a crowd for a pro-life march? Will he do that for me? Oh, I think he would. I’ll ask him that.
SPEAKER 23 :
Thank you for adding my question. I’ll ask him. But here’s the point, and this is the first thing I’m going to ask him. You understand your very existence as an entity confirms our suspicions that these protests are not organic. AstroTurf.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’re fake.
SPEAKER 23 :
They’re plastic. They’re contrived. This guy sells… I don’t even know how it works. He’s very transparent about it. He says, look, you want a crowd to get media attention? I’ll get you one. I’ll get you one.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s almost like a television. He’s hiring actors. And I’ll give you a quote.
SPEAKER 23 :
And I’ll give you a quote. Here’s what you can buy. You can go to the website, crowdsondemand.com. Maybe you and I ought to have a, I think we ought to hire a pro Mike and Mark. Ten. 10,000 people. We got a 10,000 people screaming M&M, M&M, M&M. We can hand out M&Ms with our picture on it. Exactly. I mean, it could be a great, great event. So anyway, we’ll see what Adam, but we’ll have to see what Adam Swart has to say.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you know what it would cost to get a hundred people at a courthouse for something? I’ll find out. Thank you. Why don’t you do the interview? I’m writing down all your questions. I love this.
SPEAKER 23 :
Mike Gallagher guest interview AI. Look, I’m telling you what, Mark. You want to know what I’m enamored with? You want to know my latest obsession? Chat GPT, baby.
SPEAKER 03 :
Chat GPT.
SPEAKER 23 :
Just don’t marry it. I gave a speech. I had to give a speech.
SPEAKER 03 :
Breaking my heart again.
SPEAKER 23 :
I gave it the parameters. And you know what? It was a good speech. Well, of course it was good, but it wasn’t you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, it was.
SPEAKER 23 :
You said, make it sound like me. It was in my voice. And you know what it did? Can you send it to me? Here’s what’s crazy. Here’s what’s crazy. I say, right at 10 minutes, I had to do a thing at an event in the Carolinas, 10 minutes. I thought, let me do 10 minutes, chat GPT. Put it from the voice of conservative radio and talk show host Mike Gallagher. Make it humorous. Make it typical Mike style. Make it humorous.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 23 :
And it was funny. And it’s real humor. Look, humor’s hard. A comedy in front of a group?
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. At the Kiwanis Club? But you’re funny. You’re funny. You want to get 100 people at the Kiwanis Club?
SPEAKER 23 :
You want to get people at the Kiwanis Club to laugh? It’s tough. So listen, wait a minute. Let me finish. Let me finish. So here’s what it put. And the speech spit it out in about three seconds. I know. Do you know it ended with one of my catchphrases? It said, I’m Mike Gallagher. Fight the good fight. And I’m like, holy cow. How did it know that I say that?
SPEAKER 03 :
But it did. Do you have… Here’s my challenge. Obviously, this thing, you printed it out at some point. Can you send it to me? I will not. I will not. That’s proprietary information. Okay, I understand. No, because you’ll post it. That’s fiduciary. No. Listen, you know my… That’s proprietary. Okay, but I swear to you and to this audience that I will read it, and if the thing is great, I will admit that it’s great.
SPEAKER 23 :
Nope, nope. Because, listen, it’s not all chat GPT. I did go in and make a bunch of edits. I mean, I did insert lines and everything. If it was like a consultant…
SPEAKER 03 :
But why not embrace this technology, Mark? Well, because here’s one reason. Chat GPT dietary advice sends man to the hospital with dangerous chemical poisoning. It’s not like he was going to write a… I thought I could have nine Big Macs and four Whoppers. I’ll have it print out something for me and somewhere halfway through it’ll say, this is the point where I tell you that Obama was a great president. Whoa, how’d that get in there?
SPEAKER 23 :
Mark, I’m all kidding aside. I’m going to tell you something in closing. I’m going to say this in closing. We are on the cusp of something really epic and astounding.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it has elements that are great and elements that are terrible.
SPEAKER 23 :
What’s terrible?
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s the terrible? Oh, no. I’m just saying. I’m not saying that you don’t have a speech is so necessarily terrible. But my heart breaks a little bit that it… A brain is a muscle. Creativity is like a muscle. It will atrophy when the robots are writing things for us.
SPEAKER 23 :
Well, my brain had to give Chad GPT the robot a few parameters, so it’s still working a little bit. And then I get up and look into the teleprompter. And I read the speech that it gave me.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. I hear you. God bless America. Well, hang on a second and say, well, Mike, it has been great to be with you today. We look forward to hearing your show at 10 as soon as we are finished here on KRLD. Whoa, wait a minute. That’s not right.
SPEAKER 23 :
But my parameters are, I mean, the humorous, happy conservative warrior. By Mark Hayes, you hear the one about the guy that walked into the bar. Yuck, yuck, yuck. Tip your waitresses. I’ll be here all week.
SPEAKER 02 :
I love you. See you, Ben. Americans may not agree on much, but we agree on Social Security. We all pay in. It ought to be there when we need it. Social Security could face a funding gap in less than a decade, and I don’t want to see a pay cut. I’m with AARP in the fight to protect the Social Security we earned.
SPEAKER 03 :
Pledge to protect Social Security at aarp.org slash we earned it. That’s aarp.org slash we earned it. Paid for by AARP.
