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In this thought-provoking episode of A Guy’s Perspective, the hosts delve into the themes of masculinity and vulnerability through the lens of music. The discussion kicks off with an analysis of Darius Rucker and Dax’s collaborative song, ‘To Be a Man,’ where the lyrics bring forth the challenges and expectations faced by men. As they dissect the song, each host adds personal anecdotes, exploring the deep-rooted societal norms on emotional expression for men. The hosts encourage open dialogue around mental health and question the societal stigmas that discourage vulnerability.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 11 :
How’s everybody doing today? It’s the Guys Perspective at KLZ 560 AM from 2 to 3. You can always reach the guys at 303-477-5600. Let’s go around the room and introduce ourselves.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, hey, this is Heath Hine, the actor in Colorado, Clearview Interrepair.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is Truth, and I just want to thank all my millions of listeners. This is Brock.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dude, you got me just staring at truth over here. This is Andre, your local business owner. And this is Reno, local business owner.
SPEAKER 11 :
And before we get into the show today, guys, we’re going to… Break down the song, our intro song. Is that what we’re doing? We’re going to break it down. It’s a guy’s perspective. Go through the lyrics and kind of talk about it. It’s an excellent song. So before we do that, do we want to run the whole song through and let listeners?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, to be a man. Darius Rucker.
SPEAKER 11 :
If people have never heard this whole song, we’re going to play it. How do you say it? Totality? Is that how you say it? Totality. Entirety. Entirety. Thanks, Charlie. Yeah, thank you for that. Thanks, God.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m serious.
SPEAKER 11 :
We’re going to play the song.
SPEAKER 04 :
We’re going to play the song completely through.
SPEAKER 11 :
So if you’re ready, we’re ready. The magic voice.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t hide myself. I don’t expect you to understand. I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
SPEAKER 05 :
what you make it you can’t always live up to expectations you try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations as a good man could man you might find yourself feeling all alone inside a house you built that you don’t recognize as home and that’s what my daddy told me and I’ll tell my son the same now that I’m older I relate and I actually feel his pain he never cried he might have lied but he did not complain and he said son one day you’ll have to do the same I’m thinking I look around Beyond the county lines of my small town I think about all the men out there who feel like I do now Who are screaming on the inside but won’t ever make a sound I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can
SPEAKER 04 :
Keep fighting. As a man, our son is our horizon. And our father’s actions play a role and we end up like them. So they can’t let us see them hurt. Cause we’ll embody what they do and start a generational curse.
SPEAKER 1 :
No wonder most men are so depressed. All the things that they can’t express.
SPEAKER 04 :
They go to war, get thrown on the shelf and go back. Then grab that bottle and ask for help Try to pull themselves out of hell Then fall back down and then realize That they’re gonna have to do with themselves It’s the circle of life as a man you provide They don’t know what you’re worth Till the day that you die And that’s when they start crying Then move on to a man to confide in That’s why we feel Inside that.
SPEAKER 11 :
I hope everybody heard that song. It’s a really good song. What do you guys think he means when he says, as a man, you’re not really living up to expectations, or you can’t really live up to the expectations? I felt like I was about to eat a bullet, bro.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right there? Yeah. It’s a sad song. It is sad.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why?
SPEAKER 13 :
Because it’s true.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it’s sad and true, but I think it’s one of those songs that’s kind of like a psy-op, man. A psy-op? What do you mean by a psy-op? Psychological operation. Yeah, because in the heart of it, at the one point, it talks about every man goes to war, gets back, he’s put on the shelf, and then he’s got to go to war with his mental health. It’s like making it the point of a man. You don’t have to.
SPEAKER 13 :
I am not telling my son. I’m not telling my son that, hey, man, this is just what you got to expect. Life sucks. When you get older, there’s no vision. There’s nothing ahead of adulthood.
SPEAKER 11 :
Kids, if you’re listening, tune out. Well, have you guys ever felt like in life you struggled and you had to fake a smile on your face?
SPEAKER 09 :
absolutely have all of us went through that absolutely i think i me myself yes like like give us an example you just get up and you keep going gotcha example um going through my divorce um
SPEAKER 13 :
So y’all don’t want to ask me now. I mean, when I lost my son, you know, a couple months ago, man, dude, this life is just dragging me along. And I feel that, you know, this song, this song impacts me because it really does speak to me. In fact, my wife hates the song. She hates it. She thinks it’s the worst intro. It sounds very depressing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Really? I like it. So do you guys think we should change our intro?
SPEAKER 12 :
me i don’t i don’t really like it no no so so we’re i’m the only one here who likes the song what do you think brian what’s the truth talk to us oh you want to hear what the truth is charlie likes the song charlie like hey charlie in the booth no but uh on another note i mean i don’t try to put a fake smile on my face i tr i think i try to prepare myself you do not man i’ve seen you cry Yeah, you’ll see me cry. I’m not faking it. I’m crying. I’m not faking it. I’m not going to put a fake smile on my face. What I’m trying to say is I think I’m going to prepare myself for when those times come. Like, I got to prepare now because I know my mom’s going to die someday. I know somebody’s going to die someday, and I know that trouble’s around the road one way or the other. So I kind of try to prepare myself. Before that happened.
SPEAKER 03 :
But the problem that I have with it is a lot of boo-hoo, poor me, poor man. It’s though women aren’t going through stuff, too. That’s my crux. That’s true.
SPEAKER 13 :
Totally. I mean, this song is about victim. There you go.
SPEAKER 09 :
Thank you.
SPEAKER 13 :
Victim mentality.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Reno.
SPEAKER 09 :
This isn’t a woman’s perspective. It’s a guy’s perspective. We’re talking about guys going through it, not women going through it. We know women go through a lot of things. They have different things that they go through. But we’re talking about what we go through.
SPEAKER 11 :
Professor, I hope you’re not out there listening. This sounds like God’s judgment. No, but he’s making a good point. We’re talking about men. We’re not talking about what women go through. We can’t even relate to that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because I can’t relate. I can’t relate about what menopause is like, what pregnancy is like. I can’t relate to those things that women go through.
SPEAKER 03 :
Objectification. The truth can.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Objectification.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. No, no, no, no. He brought up a really good point. Equality for pay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 11 :
We may not be able to relate. You know, he’s 100% right. We’re guys suspected. We can only relate to what guys go through. We can’t relate to what they may go through.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s kind of what this song is talking about. And so if you’re a woman listening to this, I mean, I imagine.
SPEAKER 09 :
No disrespect. I just can’t relate. I don’t know what it’s like.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s real talk right there. See, so Reno, the thing that I have is like – Well, let’s think of, like, some women empowerment songs, too, that might have also been a trope or a movement. Like Beyonce? Shania Twain. Yeah, yeah. I’m a single lady. I’m a single lady. You know, and Shania Twain. I feel like a woman. You know, things like those that we couldn’t relate to. I like that song. Things like those that guys couldn’t really relate to too much, but they swept the nation, and then everybody got behind it like it was an anthem song, and this is really how we feel. I’m sorry. I don’t feel all of what Dax and Darius are saying there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Gotcha. Well, what about when he turns around and says, when he says right now, I’ll tell you what, unconditional love for a woman, children, and dogs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, you went deep into the track.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m telling you, man, there is one unconditional love. Dogs and maybe children until they’re teenagers and then they hate you.
SPEAKER 12 :
But don’t you think it helps promote men’s mental health? No. Yeah, and the struggles that it takes for a man to supply for his home. I mean, just go. Have you been to the grocery store lately? Yeah, we do. Do you know how much it costs just to pay? I just went and bought me some junk food, ice cream, a couple cookies, right? I leave the grocery store for $70, bro. I’m like, dude, I’m feeding myself, and I’m barely getting by. Dude, you’re a big kid. You’re a big kid. But still, so if you’re supplying for a wife, you’ve got to pay for the rent. You’ve got to pay for the groceries. So I think it’s a great song.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, I’m telling you right now, men have, I think men deal with a lot of stuff that women can’t relate to. Let’s just be real right there.
SPEAKER 12 :
If you can’t supply for your home, you’re worse than an infidel. So that right there tells the man that he’s the sole provider. For the house see when that’s a lot of pressure. They’re not a rough, huh?
SPEAKER 11 :
Tony That’s heavy. Are we like bashing women?
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m just giving a pro Pro, you know to what the songs Yeah, yeah, I like the songs true yeah, I like song I will say one thing I feels like Rucker or whatever. I don’t dare. Yeah, Darius Rucker was singing more than Dax I don’t know where he was. I think it was a rapper. I
SPEAKER 13 :
have you’ve listened to his other songs yeah he’s supposed to be a religious rapper right oh i don’t know about that no he’s got no he’s got uh i don’t know if he’s religious but he talks about like you know i think he talks about you know where’s god you know why is he i mean i’ll be honest with you when i listen to him it’s depressing it’s depressing it’s depressing especially if you’re going through a rough situation
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, admittedly, Dak’s music and our theme song, all of that stuff is very topical to situations and relevant to hardship.
SPEAKER 11 :
But what about all the men out there that are feeling all alone? Like Brian said, they feel like they’ve got to pay the mortgage. They’ve got to buy some groceries. They’ve got to… What man isn’t feeling that? There you go. That’s what I’m saying. Any man who says he does not feel alone at times is a liar. I agree with that. I think they suppress their feelings. Not all the time. They don’t feel it all the time. But there are a time in your life, as a man, you are going to feel like you’re all alone.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you got Jesus, you’re not alone. I don’t care how Ted said it.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t care how Ted said it. Let’s look at some other songs by Dax. Like, what’s the one you were talking about about God? You know, Dax is asking, where is God’s voice? Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
He said, I’ve never seen God’s eyes, but I’ve seen the devil’s. Exactly.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I will tell you what, I’ll agree with him on that. I don’t see God’s eyes. I see the devil’s more often than God.
SPEAKER 11 :
Guys, this is… Oh, sorry. Go ahead. This is KLZ 560 AM. You can always call in at 303-477-5600. And we’re debating this song, whether it’s good, bad, depressing. If you people out there think it sucked, give us a call and be like. Another thing, listeners, if you guys think us five guys have fallen off our rocker, And you know what? Call in and tell us that we’re at the wrong. You can tell Heath the actor he’s at the wrong. You can tell the truth he’s at the wrong. You can tell Dre. You can tell Reno. You can tell me if you think we’re absolutely crazy about the things we say. Call us up and school us because I’ve been took into school here on the show. Remember we were talking about AI?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
That guy called up and he schooled me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, he did. You know what I’m saying? Well, concerning Darius Rucker and Dax, they’re sellouts, man. This song is a sellout.
SPEAKER 11 :
You think so? I don’t. I think it’s an excellent song. Why is it a sellout?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. It’s a sellout because it’s part of the psyop, man. We have to go deeper into the lyric to understand that what it’s doing is trying to program men to be this victim mentality, go to war, come back, get put on a shelf, drink your liquor. Exactly. But you know how many men…
SPEAKER 09 :
like a woman hasn’t gone to war bro i get it but we’re a guy’s perspective you know how many men out there are dealing with that stuff so you’re talking about drinking that’s most of his songs are and that’s that’s the answer for some people just coping me myself at 19 years old going through a heartbreak i tried to drink to make the pain go away it didn’t work did you try killing someone No.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. I can’t talk about that. Well, don’t you think it’s making guys more vulnerable?
SPEAKER 09 :
I just don’t think – for me, drinking was never the answer. It never took any pain away. It never changed anything. You just wake up feeling worse.
SPEAKER 13 :
I just don’t agree when he’s basically saying that I’m going to have to pass this on to my son. I’m not passing that type of information to my son. In fact, that’s contrary to what a lot of good religious beliefs are.
SPEAKER 03 :
Generational curse, though.
SPEAKER 13 :
Generational curse is a good point, but he’s basically… Leading into, like, you’re creating your own generational curse. So we’re going to go ahead and pass this generation. You need to tell your kids, you know, this is your generational curse or your son or whatever. You know, because he is relating to men in this, you know, this chorus.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
And it’s not uplifting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, hey, at the end of it, the devil was in charge of music.
SPEAKER 13 :
Amen, brother. Amen.
SPEAKER 12 :
But isn’t it promoting men to be more vulnerable to say that he might need help? Maybe. That he shouldn’t suppress his feelings. Why do you think a lot of marriages are going down the tubes? Because guys don’t want to express themselves to their woman because their masculinity. Do you think your woman wants to see you cry? No, bro.
SPEAKER 13 :
Just toxic. No, no, no.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 13 :
What do you know about marriage? Toxic masculinity. Exactly. First of all. So let’s check this out. You’re getting to a point about toxic masculinity where men are so shamed into being called toxic. That’s why you can’t cry or whatever. That’s why you can’t do all this stuff. I get what he’s saying in this song. I don’t agree with that, that you can’t cry. Well, that’s what they’re trying to say.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, I understand what— If anybody would like to chime in, call us at 303-477-5600. Arino and Andre and Truth and Heath are making some good— This is a good topic, so continue with what you’re saying. Arino?
SPEAKER 09 :
I was just saying that it’s okay to cry. That’s sometimes the best therapy.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, if you’re on the football field, I promise you, there’s not a single guy in this room, if we were playing in the Super Bowl and we lost by a touchdown, we wouldn’t be crying.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 11 :
I promise you. You a liar. I’m not going to cry with you. You a liar.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m thinking about the vacation I’m about to go take.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, no, you ain’t. You ain’t. Some of those boys have trained their whole life to get to the pinnacle of their career, and they miss it by a half a yard. You’re going to cry, buddy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Some of those players need therapy after this.
SPEAKER 11 :
stuff they do they do because after that type of loss for sure because dude it weighs on your mind think about men that go to the military let’s let’s think about the military for say if you went and served your country and you come back to america and you’re all jacked up in your head because you’ve seen your buddy get shot in war you’re telling me that wouldn’t affect you
SPEAKER 13 :
Hey, I’m not dismissing the chorus by any means, because it relates to a lot of men. It’s related in my life. But I’m just saying, if I listen to his songs, I feel like the old, I done lost my dog.
SPEAKER 10 :
I done lost my wife.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know what I mean? Man, dude, I mean, I have not had a stellar week.
SPEAKER 03 :
But Darius Rucker, he is one of the great country singers.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. I mean, these guys have plenty of money. What would they know? They got plenty of money to supply for their families.
SPEAKER 09 :
Have they always?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a good point. No, they haven’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
See, that’s what cheers me out. All trying to come up.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, that’s what cheers me out. A lot of these artists, they play these songs to make money. Right? That’s all it is. Oh, yeah. Because they’ve made it. They got the money. They’ve got anything out there. They don’t even have to go shopping. They have someone else shop for them.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m with you. Therein lies the problem is now it’s pandering. They’re selling to somebody and getting rich. They’re selling to them.
SPEAKER 11 :
So is that your sellout point?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, that’s the sellout.
SPEAKER 11 :
But when he turns around and talks about don’t give up, keep fighting, how do you interpret that?
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s the whole verse?
SPEAKER 1 :
Oh.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know exactly. He says, don’t give up. Keep fighting. As a man, our sons are our horizon.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
And our father’s actions play a role. We end up like him, which is true. There are a lot of people that end up like their fathers.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, let’s just be real right there.
SPEAKER 13 :
Okay, so I’m not trying to woman bash, but what about the spouse that tears down their, you know, tears down the husband or the father in the house? How is that creating such a rift in that home? And it’s undermining that parenting or even that, you know, being a man.
SPEAKER 11 :
But you guys know how I feel about that. If you’re in a home where it’s just consistent put down like that from your woman, you as a man is going to go inside of yourself. You’re going to be like, kiss my butt. And Dax refers to that in a lot of other songs aside from this one. He does. He refers to it in a lot of different songs. But I think are we breaking down all his other songs or just this one? Just this one. So, I mean, I think… If a young man ends up like his dad, it goes two ways, right? You’re either going to be a good man or a bad man, right?
SPEAKER 13 :
So why would you share that? Because I think, to me, it’s anti-Bible. The Bible said to speak a vision. You know, that’s the problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
For sure. This isn’t a biblical song.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s not a biblical song. But it can relate to a lot of men who’ve gone through a lot of stuff, gone through a lot of S-H-I, beep, beep, beep. You know what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 11 :
I get it.
SPEAKER 13 :
I get it. I get this song. I’ve lived this song. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, in different areas. But I would never tell my kids, hey, man, I mean, but am I doing them a disfavor? Maybe I’m wrong.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t think so because I think parenting is probably the hardest thing we’ll do on the planet, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think so.
SPEAKER 08 :
There’s no guidebook to parenting.
SPEAKER 11 :
Okay, let’s go around. Do you feel like you raise your kids like your parents raised you? To a certain extent. So you don’t make them go out to the tree, grab the switch, and start whipping butt? No, I mean, we don’t do that anymore.
SPEAKER 13 :
We can’t say it over the airwaves.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, did I just say something?
SPEAKER 09 :
So if that’s considered child abuse, some of the things that I’ve done that were done to me are now considered child abuse. And I completely disagree. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Discipline is teaching. And if you’re not teaching and you’re beating your kids and they’re not learning anything, they’re just getting beat.
SPEAKER 13 :
So check this out. I’ve heard to spare the rod, spoil the child. Let me tell you someone else’s perspective on that. They were saying that Jesus, or when Jesus was speaking about that, or when the word was speaking about that, that he was talking about the shepherd’s rod. And the shepherd’s rod did never be, but kind of guided. Guided. Guided that sheep out of danger. It’s not always. So men out there, don’t go beating your kids.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, definitely not. It’s not always physical. It’s not always physical. It’s discipline. Look up the definition of discipline. That’s good he said that. Let me ask you this.
SPEAKER 11 :
Do you think it’s better to… uplift your kiddo versus always trying to discipline them and install it versus be like, hey, good job, man. You did a good job today.
SPEAKER 09 :
You have to. You have to. If all you’re giving them is negative, then that’s all they’re going to relate to.
SPEAKER 11 :
If anyone can call us at 303-477-5600, give us a call. This is a good discussion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and the thing that I’d like to say about it is for each child it probably is different. The harshness of a word will hurt one deeper. Sure. Right. The spanking won’t affect the one that it should. That’s exactly right. So each is unique. That is exactly right. But here’s what I wish had happened in my life. And it would be that with the correction, it wasn’t still, like, where there was fear. It should have been, like, talked about, discussed, and invoked that ability to communicate, learn to communicate.
SPEAKER 09 :
But fear kept me out of a lot of stuff. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, that’s good with what Heath is saying and all, right? But on the flip side, it’s look how many people, because I disagree with what he’s saying. Oh, we don’t disagree.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, I disagree.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because just look at nowadays how many parents are dealing with children that don’t want to speak to them or talk to them. It’s happening more now.
SPEAKER 13 :
Some of these kids don’t even move out their home. Like, what the heck?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, we got some serious disagreements going on. Think about how many parents right now, their kids don’t want nothing to do with them. It’s like back in the 50s, that wasn’t going on. But after you haven’t been able to spank them, spank the daylights out of these kids, this wouldn’t be occurring, bro.
SPEAKER 09 :
my mom used to spank the crap out of him he has a great relationship with his mom well because of today’s society there’s a great lack of discipline discipline being consistent not beating the kid just disciplining and teaching yeah good like kids are being they’re raising themselves because of the discipline and you know what it’s proven that if that kid is not parented they will resent that parent at the end
SPEAKER 13 :
Because kids need to be parented. Kids, they need that. They need structure, just like we need structure.
SPEAKER 11 :
And anybody can call at 303-477-5600. We’re breaking down the DAC song. And this has turned into a good old-fashioned debate. Truth is disagreeing with Heath. Heath is disagreeing with us. Everybody’s disagreeing. I… You know, the way it used to be done, I agree with Reno, you can’t do that no more. On the bayou, they used to whip our butt. You know what I’m saying? Dude, I remember that willow tree they had outside my momo’s house. I’m going to tell you all right now. My momo’s house, if y’all ever been to the bayou and been to my momo’s house, I’ll describe it to you. The creepiest house I’d ever been in. You know what I’m saying? It’s probably haunted. Yeah, it’s probably haunted out there in the swamp. That’s the truth. Well, anyway, it just sat there on some stilts that were like… center blocks of some sort. You know, I can remember me and my brothers having smoke bombs and throwing them everywhere and getting them in the house. Man, my po-po went out there. They would make you go and pick out the stick they’re going to hit you with. And if they didn’t like the size, they made you go pick a different one. I agree with Reno. They don’t do that anymore.
SPEAKER 13 :
The thinner, the better.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, man, you can hear the wind going through it. I mean, it’s like aerodynamic crap, dude, as it’s laying into your butt.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, how did you turn out?
SPEAKER 11 :
I think I turned out pretty good. So it worked really good, don’t it? No, no, no. But what I’m saying is you can’t spank kids like that anymore. You’re right, Reno. Yeah, of course you can.
SPEAKER 13 :
So we need to start bringing about butt whoopings.
SPEAKER 03 :
Here’s the thing with that switch. The real switch up was that it was a psychological fear that was instilled in you for the switch that you’d go get. So psychologically, you were already hurting before you hurt.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s like you digging your own grave.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what else you can’t do? I remember one time, man, me and my sister, I don’t know what we did, but we were like five, seven years old. We had to go into the bedroom, pull our pants down. We were going to get our butt whipped. And then my dad was like… About a half hour later, he’s like, what are you guys doing, man? It’s time for dinner. There was no butt whipping, but bro.
SPEAKER 11 :
If anybody wants to call in and talk, we’re at 303-477-5600. That turned out good.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t expect you to understand. I just hope I can explain what it’s like to be a man. It’s a lonely road. And they don’t care about what you know. It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home.
SPEAKER 06 :
The views and opinions expressed on KLZ 560 are those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect those of Crawford Broadcasting, the station, management, employees, associates or advertisers. KLZ 560 is a Crawford Broadcasting God and country station.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hello, my name is Reno Kirkendall, owner of Blueprint Electric, where we specialize in all that’s electrical, from residential service calls to ground-up commercial construction. You can reach us at 303-218-3555. Also, visit our website at bpedenver.com. Thank you for listening to A Guide’s Perspective here at KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t hide myself. I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
SPEAKER 05 :
make it you can’t always live up to expectations you try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations as a good man could man you might find yourself feeling all alone inside a house you built that you don’t recognize as home and that’s what my daddy told me and I’ll tell my son the same now that I’m older I relate and I actually feel his pain he never cried he might have lied but he did not complain and he said son one day you’ll have And thinking I look around Beyond the county lines of my small town I think about all the men out there who feel like I do now Who are screaming on the inside but won’t ever make a sound I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand
SPEAKER 04 :
keep fighting as a man our son is our horizon and our father’s actions play a role and we end up like them so they can’t let us see them hurt cause we’ll embody what they do and start a generational curse no wonder most men are so depressed all the things that they can’t express they go to war get thrown on the shelf and go back to a war with they mental health then grab that bottle and ask for help try to pull themselves out of hell then fall back down and then realize that they’re gonna have to do with themselves it’s the circle of life as a man you provide they don’t know what you worth till the day that you die and that’s when they start crying then move on to a man to confide in that’s why we feel we can’t hide
SPEAKER 11 :
How’s everybody doing? This is the second half of The Guys Perspective at KLZ 560. Again, you can reach us at 303-477-5600. We’d really like to hear from our listeners. Again, it’s 303-477-5600. We’re breaking down the Dax and Darius record song that we just had, and we were on the part where… It says that men, you know, their children are their horizon, and men basically shape their children. And before we came into the second half, we were talking about should kids actually get disciplined and spanked because that’s how, like, us adults, you know, our parents taught us. So let’s go around the room. What do you guys think? Introduce yourself, Reno, and tell us, do you think we should discipline kids? Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, consistency and discipline. is definitely necessary. But discipline doesn’t always mean beat your kids. One kid won’t respond to what the next kid will. So it doesn’t always take a beating, but it does take consistent discipline.
SPEAKER 13 :
And you’re Gen X. I mean, I think most of us, we just need to clarify. I think Gen X, we jokingly say beating, you know, get your butt beat and all that. This is Andre with… a local business as well. I agree with you, Reno. I mean, without, you know, any type of discipline, you’re going to create what we’re starting to see. And I think there was a generation that dropped the ball. I think it was in, it was the baby boomers, in my opinion, you know, they stopped. There’s something happened where the new generation that’s coming out is very entitled to Where did this come from? Where did the entitlement come from that they can go out and wreak havoc inside of a mall or whatever or take over a parking lot and do whatever, and you guys can’t do anything about it? That’s because their parents never did anything about that discipline.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I’m Brock, and I would ask the question that if you – Don’t discipline your kid in some way. Do you really love your kids? And would you please start disciplining your kids and loving them? Yeah, I mean, you know, I just think that if this song is right, if our kids are going to mold and shape after us, then the way we got spanked growing up or disciplined, I know there’s certain ways that my dad and mom spanked me that I absolutely hated it. So I would never spank my kids like that. You know what I’m saying? And Brian.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is the truth, and I just want to say I’m a candy addict.
SPEAKER 11 :
What?
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m an addict.
SPEAKER 03 :
I need help. No, seriously. Is that random? No, it’s from upbringing. It is. This is on point.
SPEAKER 12 :
See, I’m a total believer in discipline. physical discipline you know not not leaving bruises of any sort you know spanking on the butt that’s all but i’m a i’m a believer that most of the time kids are spanked for something maybe they shouldn’t be spanked for i agree like i was getting spanked for you know bad grades on my report card i was being spanked for and you got worse yeah and go yeah So I think a child should be spanked twice in their life, but a good spanking. A good spanking.
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, all the way back to Reno with the consistency, that’s the most important for our little girl. Um, if Amber and I aren’t on the same page with like how many treats she can have, or, um, if she can run in the park and bite other dogs, um, it’s just, yeah, I’m talking about, I’m talking about Baloo, my baby Baloo, but, but no, no, no, no. Consistency is key. If I offer or allow certain things and my wife does not, then it’s a disruption in how we choose to raise it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, you’re saying you guys should be a team if one person teaches one. And again, everybody can call us at 303-477-5600. Again, that’s 303-477-5600. Give us a call. It used to be.
SPEAKER 12 :
okay to have to discipline your kids?
SPEAKER 11 :
When do you think it changed? Well, to answer that question, let me ask you this first. Is it better for a dad to discipline his kids or for a mom?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think it has to be both, man. That’s not fair for a dad to have to always be the discipline.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I will say one thing.
SPEAKER 10 :
I will say one thing.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’ll say one thing about that. My grandparents, all my grandma had to do was say, just wait till your grandpa gets home my grandpa never touched me once and i’ll tell you what he’s a world war ii vet he was missing a little finger used to tell me got shot off until i realized it was just an industrial accident i mean i did not play around when my grandma warned me about my grandpa you know so her power was his power exactly yeah so maybe i don’t know she could lean on
SPEAKER 12 :
And it kept you in a bad way because he ain’t going to be home for a while. Right. So you’re sitting here running around the house like, oh, Grandpa’s almost home.
SPEAKER 09 :
So what I mean by consistency is if a kid does something – And you discipline him. He does it again. And you let it go. Then you’re starting over. Okay, well, let me ask you this.
SPEAKER 13 :
And I think that’s a generational curse, the beginning of one right there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, right. So I was going to say this. When should you reward your child? For the good they do. Because what if the best they can do is make D’s in school?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, I mean, is there – if there’s a reason. Yeah, if it’s like – That’s a problem.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. Then you need to find out what the problem is and get them help. Yeah. Okay. Because there’s no way a D is normal. Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
He might have to be on an individualized program.
SPEAKER 03 :
Are you guys against – I’m sorry? Are you guys against participation trophies and stuff? Oh, I am.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, 100% against participation. Yeah, that – In the Olympics, it should never be gold, silver, bronze. It should just be gold. Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 13 :
It should never, ever be gold, silver, bronze. What was the race for? Remember, second place is first.
SPEAKER 03 :
First loser, second place is first. First or last. Exactly. So then did you have anything other than A’s in school?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, that’s what I’m saying. I used to get my butt whooped. But that could have turned into, like you said, a generational curse. I could have turned around, because like Reno said, some kids receive discipline different than others. And if you’re consistently just whipping the butt out of one kid, Maybe that’s not the right way to discipline that one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, think about this, too, is, you know, I think parenting is very hard. It’s not easy. No one has the corner, right? We’re always learning. So the thing that I notice is that, you know, the first time I had my kids, And, you know, they’re all teenagers now for the most part. I think we forget that, you know, when they’re tired, they act out. When they’re hungry, they act out. When, you know, they, you know, something. Adults do the same. I was about to say that. So we forget that even as adults, some of y’all adults need a butt whooping. Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Call us at 303-477-5600, people. This is good.
SPEAKER 09 :
So an example of that was me and my wife went to the Philippines with our – we weren’t married at the time. But her oldest was three, I think, three or four. And he would just fall out and throw a tantrum. Mm-hmm. Well, he didn’t know how to relate to us that he’s tired and he can’t go on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Didn’t have the words.
SPEAKER 09 :
So if we would have beat him, it would have been for nothing. Yeah. Because he’s just trying to, he doesn’t know how to communicate.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And that’s what I was trying to get at.
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m just joking around about beating adults.
SPEAKER 09 :
He didn’t know how to communicate that he’s tired and he can’t go on. So he just fell out like he can’t walk and he’s tired.
SPEAKER 11 :
And if anybody else knows more than us, call us at 303-477-5600. Again, that’s 303-477-5600. So it goes on to generational curse. What is a generational curse anyway for people who’s listening? Because that can be defined a lot of different ways, right?
SPEAKER 09 :
There’s a lot of different generational curses.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
And, you know, that’s funny because I will say this song made me think, Reno. This song made me think about the way my parents parented me and whatever struggles. Because, you know, I’ll be real. Dax does throw out what men really go through. I was surprised that my wife hated the song. But there’s truth in it. Unless it’s being a program. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
The second time around listening to the song, I’m kind of warming up to it because really what he’s talking about is that this stuff doesn’t have to be this way. That if we learn to communicate, open up, be more in touch and in tune with emotions and just reach out, we’re not alone. Is that the hiding part then?
SPEAKER 11 :
So, because I want to ask you guys, because he mentioned generational curse. If you stand over your kid and you’re like, blankety, blank, blank, blank, can that bring about a generational curse? Words are powerful.
SPEAKER 09 :
Words are very powerful. Exactly. What you speak over your kids. Be careful what you speak over your kids. I believe that 100%.
SPEAKER 12 :
But that’s not a generational curse. But can it turn into a generational curse that’s handed down from generations before?
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s the reason I ask what’s a generational curse because can you speak something over a kid and it stay with them their whole life?
SPEAKER 13 :
But that’s not a generational curse.
SPEAKER 11 :
I can speak it their whole life. It’s a generation.
SPEAKER 13 :
It totally is a generational curse if you speak that into existence.
SPEAKER 11 :
This is a good debate. People call us at 303-477-5600. Go on.
SPEAKER 13 :
You know, if you’re out there calling your children ugly, and let’s just say they’re the most handsome or beautiful little girl.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re going to believe it.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’re going to believe it to the point that they may go anorexic, that they may try to do all these things.
SPEAKER 11 :
to improve the way they look or they’ll finally just off themselves and the sad part about it is that words have power so yeah a generational curse but i think a generational curse is handed down from father from so previous okay we’ll get the words aren’t words aren’t handing something down that’s just speaking no okay so then why in the bible did they use names as blessings a name was associated with a blessing isn’t that a generational thing
SPEAKER 09 :
On to what Andre was saying, you speak that over your kids, they see that behavior, they’re going to repeat that behavior.
SPEAKER 03 :
True. Wow.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they’re going to repeat that behavior to their kids.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or they’ll be breaking those curses when they’re 40 and they start to figure out their life.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. That you’re making good, can you break a generational curse? You’re not kidding, Heath. You’re not kidding. No, he’s not. He’s not. He’s being real with that.
SPEAKER 13 :
There’s a lot of truth. I hate to say it, but I’m sure psychology would back this, but I would say once we get into our middle ages, we start to reflect. And when we get older, I know so. I mean, I took a lot of psychology when I was younger. But I remember, you know, these are the phases of a man’s life. You know, we enter a point where we start to say, you know, look back and say, how can we change or break curses? We didn’t know they were generational curses. We didn’t know that until, you know, you find out about them, you know, through the Bible or, you know. Something like that. But these are things that we don’t want to repeat, right? We don’t want to repeat any type of abuse. Don’t want to repeat any type of verbal abuse, any mental abuse, which Dax, you know, kind of alludes to.
SPEAKER 03 :
Are you starting to like Dax?
SPEAKER 13 :
I think so, man. I’m sad today.
SPEAKER 11 :
If anybody else out there wants to give us a call at 303-477-5600, call and talk to the guys. We want to know, can you speak over somebody and it turn into a generational curse? If you know more about that, give us a call because I think it can. i just like i think you can speak future blessings over somebody by saying you’re a millionaire you’re a millionaire you’re a millionaire you’re a millionaire the power of life and death are in the tongue and those that love it eat its fruit brian what’s that scripture you can either build or destroy what’s that scripture you quote that that the tongue’s an unruly member like a ship that is led about by like
SPEAKER 12 :
Like the rudder.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, it’s like fire.
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s small. It’s like a tail fire.
SPEAKER 11 :
It can burn down things.
SPEAKER 03 :
Like the rudder of a ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
How little of a thing the Bible says, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
And kindling, like kindling in a fire.
SPEAKER 13 :
And so that’s where God actually tames it, when you think about it. So why would God need to tame the tongue? Why would God need to stop? Wow, that’s deep. Think about it. If God has to tame the tongue, according to the Bible. This is good stuff, guys. then, you know, there’s a lot of power in what we say, what we do, who we tell, what we tell. You know, if we’re, you know, like, again, I’m starting to, you know. Man, you’re giving me goosebumps, bro.
SPEAKER 11 :
You guys are giving me goosebumps. This is good stuff, dude. Call us at 303-477-5600. Tell us about it. Can it be a generational curse, words?
SPEAKER 09 :
So the words that you speak say get down off of the, and I got this from Pastor Tate, get down off of the counter before you fall. If you don’t quit, you’re going to fall. Five minutes later, they fall. Yeah. Did you speak that over them? Oh, my goodness, man.
SPEAKER 08 :
That really makes you wonder. You warn them. No, you speak it over them. You’re going to fall. God, that’s power. I have to agree with you. I think what you speak.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t know about that, man. I don’t know, man.
SPEAKER 03 :
I wonder if you can manifest what you speak. So that could come from wisdom that you know that you’re going to fall because you’ve fallen yourself. Yeah, that’s what I was saying. But the wisdom is the truth. And then if the wisdom is connected to like scripture, then yeah, you could pretty much speak it over someone. Call us at 303-477-5600. But some believe.
SPEAKER 12 :
That generational curses are hanged down from parents’ sins. Okay. I will never believe that. So, consequences of your parents’ actions in their life. But it was changed. That has nothing to do with it.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s changed. In the Old Testament, it was changed that you no longer bear the sins of your fathers. That’s what I thought. But you don’t.
SPEAKER 11 :
So, Brian, you believe that if a parent is a bad person their whole entire life, they’re an alcoholic, that all of a sudden you suffer for it as you get older? Could that be genetics to you, though? This is a yes or no question, Truth. No, I’m wondering that. No, no, no, I’m wondering that. So what do you think? I mean, if you have somebody that’s lived on this planet for 80 years.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because it’s a scale you’ve got to weigh because according to Heath, the Bible says that you cannot be punished for the sins of your fathers. But then why do you believe in generational curses if that’s not the case?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because it’s not the sins. You could pass down positive things from generation just like you could pass down negative.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, I want to ask this question. But if you look up generational curses, it’s saying that it’s passed down from sins. Religious people believe this.
SPEAKER 13 :
Let’s use adultery or adultery is sleeping with another woman when you are in the sacred bonds of marriage. Um, so do you believe that if a father is sleeping with, you know, the, uh, the office, you know, executive or whatever the case may be that, that, what are you talking about? That son is going to have that same thing and do the same thing as the father has?
SPEAKER 11 :
Is the son going to do that? I don’t believe the son’s going to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is that what you’re saying? What about this? It says careful little eyes what you see, careful little ears what you hear. So the things that Dave Ramsey says, more is caught than taught. So you don’t have to tell a kid this is wrong and they’re going to see that it’s wrong and they’re going to do it.
SPEAKER 11 :
But do you think you don’t have to teach the kiddo that it’s wrong? Do you think they just learn?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, you have to teach.
SPEAKER 11 :
Right.
SPEAKER 13 :
They’ll see.
SPEAKER 03 :
They’ll see what you’re doing. The point I’m making is hypocrisy. The point I’m making is hypocrisy. So if a man is cheating, but he tells his kid that he needs to, hey, don’t you always be true to this one, then what he’s teaching is the – You know what I mean? Yeah. No, no, no. I know exactly what you’re saying. If you say don’t steal, but you steal, your kid’s going to follow what you did, which is steal. Give us a call at 303-477-5600. I like to disagree. Okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to disagree.
SPEAKER 11 :
I want to disagree with myself.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what I’m saying? Yes or no. I don’t do that a lot, folks. I don’t disagree with myself. We only speak truth over here. But what are you disagreeing about? I do believe it comes through dynamics of patterns of the way you speak to your kids. I will agree. Yeah, your actions and the dynamics that are in the home can be handed down from the way you treat your kids are going to be handed down to the way they treat their kids. I will agree with that.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s why I don’t like the song again. Oh, my goodness. Dax’s being too real for me.
SPEAKER 11 :
I think the song is excellent, and I do think generational curses can come by words. I believe that, though. I do, too. Just like I believe blessings, because if you look at the Bible, names represent something. Who was it? Jacob? Think about Ichabod compared to Jacob. Yeah, Jacob. Think about Jacob. Wasn’t he called a liar until he… Who wrestled with the angel and got his name changed? Joseph, man. Joseph did not wrestle with the angel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jacob.
SPEAKER 11 :
God had to change his name because names represented something.
SPEAKER 03 :
Nimrod. Nimrod is mighty hunter before the Lord.
SPEAKER 11 :
Again, anybody who knows more than us, call us at 303-477-5600. Because I do believe that generational curses can be words.
SPEAKER 13 :
Do not name your child Ichabod. Because I think Ichabod means… without god or something or god’s no longer with oh is that what it means i believe it is i might i’d have to double check but quit being a nimrod exactly yeah so so when he turns around and says that um what about dorcas remember dorcas in the bible dorcas is in the bible i have a friend you’re such a dorcas
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, there’s all kind of names in the Bible.
SPEAKER 12 :
But on the other hand, if your family, if your mother or father is dealing with depression, right, how can that be handed down to the kids? I don’t see how or why.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s where you go genetics, too, where it’s also, you know, it’s not nurture. It’s nurture versus nature, right, that argument, which I think it’s a little bit of both. Some of it is genetics. Some of it is what the situation is, situational depression, right? If your mom’s sitting there depressed because, you know, let’s go back to that cheating husband or whatever, you know, I wish I could keep this marriage together. I’ll do whatever to keep up marriage together. And that little child is being neglected because that mom won’t parent anymore because she’s too concerned to be a good housewife to a cheating husband that doesn’t give a crap about her.
SPEAKER 12 :
then yeah now that’s situational and it’s not genetics and to me that is a generational curse it’s lifelong to work out of that but just because your mom is just because the parent is struggling with depression how is that going to be handed down to the kid to have that same depression I don’t I don’t believe that so the definition of Ichabod according to Wikipedia is without glory where is glory and uh
SPEAKER 09 :
There is no glory. Dang.
SPEAKER 11 :
And again, everybody can call us at 303-477-5600 if you agree or disagree with us. I think there’s such a developmental stage in a young person that so many things can affect who they are.
SPEAKER 03 :
If you feel cursed with your name, it’s only $29.95 and you can change it down at the state.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, because you’re not going to turn around and name your kid Lucifer. That to me don’t make no sense. What is that, morning, son of a? But back to what we were talking about. the power of words in how strong they are can really have you ever had somebody turn around have you ever woke up and said man this is going to be a crappy day and everything went wrong oh totally bro dude that stuff is real man I agree like I don’t care what nobody says there is something about the power of words yes that’s why no matter what’s gone on Brock I will say God’s good all the time
SPEAKER 13 :
And I’ll tell you what, man, these last few months I’ve been challenged on that, but I will still say God’s good all the time. All these things are happening, and, man, dude, yes, I do cry. And so like Dax, I’m like, man, dude, I guess this is a good song, bro. I’m going to have some healing moments here.
SPEAKER 03 :
Let me tell you one more thing, and it’s that God, like if he brought you to it, he’ll get you through it is one. And the other is that it’s either working on you or working for you. So sometimes things work out, and that’s just good, and that’s a blessing.
SPEAKER 12 :
But why do you think we have a hard time realizing that when we know that’s the case? Like we know that’s going to happen.
SPEAKER 13 :
Bruce Lee. You know what he said? He said, you know, if you look at a star – wait, what did he say? Do you have a finger or something like that? Oh, yeah. And you focus on the finger. All you see is that finger. But if you look at the sky, it’s so much bigger. When a problem happens, we focus on that problem. We forget about everything else.
SPEAKER 11 :
He’s right. There ain’t nobody who doesn’t focus on the problem. I know I do.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, just think about the children of Israel, right? I mean, they had a miracle. I mean, they saw God do, I mean, pouring water out of a rock, you know, raining manna from heaven. And then the next problem comes up, and you forgot all about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
The blessing.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, I can answer that because I’ve thought about that a lot. If you guys were in the desert, if you were in the desert for like 40 years… And think of how big of a miracle that was. Like it said their shoes never wore out or their clothes. So that means God had to renew their shoes. They got older. Shoes got bigger. Clothes got bigger. But if you were cruising out in the desert the whole time, you’d be thirsty every 30 seconds too complaining, bro.
SPEAKER 13 :
And think about your kids because your kids never want to eat the same thing.
SPEAKER 12 :
And you’ve just been eating manna for 40 years. You’ve got to admit that was funny when they complained about the manna and then he gave them the meat that rocked.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, but you know what I’m saying? That’s just human nature. You know what I’m saying? So we are more like God in that manner. Probably. Probably.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because there’s so many times where God’s like, I’m going to destroy these people. And Moses is like, hold on, hold on. Don’t destroy them. And then Moses is like, man, you should destroy these people. Anyway, I’m sorry, guys.
SPEAKER 11 :
Areno? Were you saying something? No. I just think, guys, and we’ll go around the room real quickly. I think… Words can form a young person or it can change the trajectory of their life. That’s just me. That’s my opinion. And so you agree with Dax then?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I do.
SPEAKER 11 :
I agree with Dax. Reno?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I believe words do make a difference.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m on board.
SPEAKER 12 :
Brian. Yeah, I think you need to speak over your wife. You need to speak life into your marriage. Speak life into your kids. Yeah, and yourself. I’m speaking life into myself.
SPEAKER 11 :
Absolutely. Thank you, everybody who listened, and y’all have a good afternoon. Oh, give our website and everything.
SPEAKER 13 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
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