Join us as we delve into the complex world of automotive parts and accessories with a focus on aftermarket wheels versus OEM wheels. Learn from experts who share their extensive experience in the wheel industry, discussing the pros and cons of various wheel types that could impact your car’s performance. We also explore the crucial aspect of ensuring authenticity and quality when sourcing parts.
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All right, we are Backdrive Radio, KLZ 560. Lots of text messages. A few of these are, some of them are questions asking me would I ever buy used OEM wheels for one of my vehicles. Sure. If I find the right takeoffs, I’ve done that many times. If it’s the right set of takeoffs, I’m looking for a second set of wheels. I would prefer, and I’ve said this many times on air, but I’ll keep saying it. I would prefer to buy a used OEM wheel, as long as it’s true and straight and there’s no, you know, you can tell by looking if there’s any damage, whatever, and there’s a lot of takeoffs out there. As long as it’s a good, solid new takeoff and everything is up to speed, you know, nothing’s wrong with anything, I’d rather have that as a hub-centric, because that’s what they are, versus any aftermarket that typically are not hub-centric.
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No, they’re not.
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I’ll take that OEM wheel all day long over a set of aftermarket rims for that reason.
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And a lot of, especially the aftermarkets, they always balance out a lot better than
SPEAKER 06 :
half of these aftermarkets do way better way better so yes i will do that all day long somebody also said on the wiper problem it sounded like a pulse board i don’t think so in that case because i believe that assembly is just that i think it’s an entire assembly i don’t think there’s any boards that are separate on that particular uh on that 94 chevy i don’t think that one is separate uh i could be wrong it’s how many years ago is that 30 years ago now it’s So I’m going by memory, and I owned lots of those trucks back in the day. And somebody also said, do I remember all of the Wiper motors that used to go bad in the 90s? Yep, sure do. I was a shop owner then, and we put a lot – stocked them. At that point in time, I stocked them. I had them on the shelf. That was a very common thing to – To have, and yes, so I do remember that. Somebody also said that remember when it comes to some of the used car lots, CarMax especially, that you may be out shopping online and see on one of the Internet sites, CarGurus, for example, it’ll show a particular vehicle that they have in stock. Well, you’ve got to pay really close attention because is it really in stock here locally or is that thing in Charlotte, North Carolina, for example? Yeah. And you’ve got to really pay attention. Otherwise, what Lucy said comes into play. And if they bring that vehicle in for you, you’re paying the money. So, yes, thank you for that tip, by the way, because that is very important. You’ve got to really be careful as to where exactly is that vehicle located in the country. By the way, that’s true with a lot of the sites. And, Josh, you’re more familiar with this than I am. How does that side of it work, by the way, on the used car side? As far as the big sites, the collective sites, I guess is what I would call them.
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Car gurus and so on. So they literally pull the information out of our computer system, and they paste it up there for us and try and bring people into that. Then you contact through them, and then we get the link back to us. So usually they’re trying to sort it by stock you truly have within whatever your parameters were, 20, 50, 100 miles. That doesn’t mean that the company who has the car entered it incorrectly, especially with the CarMax or whatever. Or Carvana, where they have cars all over the country. They don’t even know, I think, half the time what lot that car is on. So that’s why it can say it’s in stock and you can get down there and it’s definitely not in stock there. Got it. But it’s in their company stock.
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But it’s just not there.
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Yeah, just not where you want it.
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Somebody texted a moment ago and said, the only person who hates aftermarket wheels more than John does is my dad, who is 70 and has been in the car business his whole life. Yeah, I have, too. And what’s funny is I probably, as far as, well, I can say this with full confidence. Anybody that’s on air today, I’ve put, sold, installed more aftermarket wheels than I guarantee anybody else that’s on air today. That I can confidently say because I sold aftermarket tires and wheels for three decades. Mm-hmm. And sold a lot of them. And I would put some aftermarket wheels on my rigs, but only under special circumstances. For example, back in the day when you bought a three quarter ton or one ton truck, a Chevy eight lug, there was nothing available on the market that looked decent. other than a Weld wheel. And yes, I sold a lot of Weld wheels back in the day because Weld was an OEM manufacturer to a lot of the big trucks, and you know the story behind Weld. And at that time, they made a very nice, high-quality aluminum wheel you could put on a three-quarter-ton truck. They were true. They actually weighed less than the steel wheels. There was lots of advantages to them. They were hub-centric. All of what I wanted, that was a wheel that I would use. Another exception. for a while when AEV came out. So AEV is a company up in Montana, and they started doing a lot of things for upgrades on Jeeps. In fact, they’ve now become an OEM supplier. For example, if you go buy a ZR2 Bison, All of the bumpers and gear that’s on that, all of the extras, that’s coming from AEV because they started as a college project, actually. Some kids that were in college that decided, hey, we think we can make a go of this. And at one time, they were importing some wheels from Australia. that were for Jeeps that were very good-looking, very attractive, very true, very expensive, hub-centric. And by the way, there’s now some of the Jeeps from the factory come with those wheels. So that was a wheel that, yes, I would buy on the aftermarket. I sold those as well at that time. I was the first AEV dealer in Colorado at that time and sold a lot of those products back in the day, had some of those on my Jeep, and we sold them and so on. So there were a few exceptions there. to my anti-aftermarket wheels in my own world, but very few. There were only a few brands and few products that I would actually run on my own rigs. And the problem with wheels is it’s like opinions. Everybody’s got a different opinion of what looks good on their vehicle. And I learned early on that, you know what, I’m going to explain how this works, talk about lug-centric versus hub-centric, but at the end of the day, whatever the customer wants is what I’ll provide. And I will tell you that over the 30 years of doing that, I sold some really ugly wheels at times. But some guys just loved them. And it was cat’s meow. And they thought it was awesome. And as long as they were happy at the end of the day. Now, I will say this. I didn’t sell any junk. I mean, there’s a lot of junk aftermarket wheels. And I would not stoop to the point of selling junk. you know, unilugs and a lot of the junk that was around back in the day. I did not do that, and I tried to talk my customers into buying, you know, only the really top quality, you know, aftermarket wheels. But I will tell you, in a lot of cases, that was hard to do. A person would get dead set. They’d even come in with a picture of, I want this wheel, and it would be all you could do to try to talk them out of buying that crappy wheel. know wheel and tire combo but in some cases if that’s what they wanted now i will take i will say this it was always full disclosure from me you buy this and you’re not happy this is on you i’ll do my best to get it balanced i mean this is the tire and wheel combo you want we’ve had experience of this not panning out very well so as long as you’re willing to accept all liability for owning these things i’ll put whatever you want to on it But I’m not warranting or covering anything on that rig moving forward. If you’re okay with that, and that all went on the invoice and so on, and they signed off on it, and if that’s what they wanted, that’s what they got. But I didn’t do that very often because I don’t like doing that.
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Some of this you can just guarantee they’re going to get a vibration.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re going to have a problem. Yep. I look at some of these rigs that run down the road today, and I just think to myself, there’s no way that thing rides and drives and works as well as it did when it had factory tires and wheels on it.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it doesn’t.
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There’s just no way possible that thing works as well as what it did at one time. In fact, all you did was screw a good truck up with what you just put on it. There’s times I literally I’ll drive by a truck and I’ll be like, there is no way that thing’s even close to being like it was when it was stock. But guys love them. They do. I don’t get that. Anyways, text line 307-200-8222, our line to call in on directly. If you’ve got any questions on anything, please let us know, 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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And we are back. Drive Radio KLZ 560. Thank you all for listening. Appreciate it. Text line, by the way, 307-200-8222. Some of you sending me some pictures from car shows and different things going on today. It’s a beautiful day. Going to get a little cooler, I think, through tomorrow. Might be a little windier even this afternoon, so pay attention to that. All right, somebody just said to, just a reminder on my question from the first hour, which was, can you bring up any, oh, yes, thank you. I apologize, I had this on my list. Torque yield bolts. Okay, let’s talk about that for a moment. I got a review that we’re going to do here in a moment that we’ll play, so we’ve got time to squeeze this in. So Josh and I can talk about torque yield bolts. So first of all, what is a torque yield bolt? That is a one-time use bolt only. Yep. and in the past they’ve always been used on cylinder heads that’s pretty much the only place you saw them and torque yield bolt means you the specifications are you torque this bolt for example down to 80 foot pounds and then you turn it 90 degrees you know you need to turn a 25 degree or sorry you go 30 degrees each time to get to 90 degrees whatever there’s all sorts of things that you know hold your mouth this way no just kidding exactly stand on your head that’s right but they give you a procedure for the torque yield on the bolt What a lot of folks don’t understand, including a lot of technicians, is there’s torque yield bolts on brakes now. There are. A lot of them. A lot of the General Motors products. A lot of the foreign products. In other words, that’s a bolt that’s holding the caliper on in this case. And it’s a one-time-use bolt only. And there’s a lot of folks out there in the industry, inside the industry even, that don’t know what I just said.
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And it’s hard. I wish… We’re trying to work with NAPA on this because we do a lot of Ford transits, the big Ford transits, and everything on the brake system. So the caliper bolts, plus you usually have to pull the disc rotors off, and they’re held on with bolts. It’s all torque yield. So we need to replace those every single time and trying to… Can you build a kit so that… It just has everything in it. Yeah. It has rotors, pads, and all these. Ready to roll. Instead of ordering… And sometimes they have it in stock, and sometimes they don’t. But… That’s what I think we got to get all the brake system companies to get together on it and be like, we’re just selling you a kit with rotors and pads and all the bolts you need.
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Well, and where I was going to go with this is for a lot of you listening. And this is not an exaggeration. I’m not throwing anybody under the bus. But you might be calling around, which you should never do, because you should take a vehicle in and find out exactly what it needs to determine what’s the price going to be on getting that done. But a lot of people call around for brakes, for example. Hey, how much do a brake job on such and such? Given what we just said, even on a GM car, something as simple as a Chevy Cruze, you might be calling around and getting a wide range of prices on those brakes because of what I just said. One guy might be pricing you rotors, pads, and a little bit of labor not knowing you’ve got to replace bolts and do all these other things we’re talking about and has no clue that that even exists, but he’s going to go do a brake job anyways. Mm-hmm. So that’s one price versus the person doing it correctly, doing everything they’re supposed to, lubricating everything, checking everything, replacing the bolts like they’re supposed to be, putting a high-quality pad on, checking the calipers to make sure they’re good, checking all the linings, doing a brake fluid flush, everything getting done the way it’s supposed to. There’s a big difference between what the one person is pricing versus the shop I just mentioned is pricing. In fact, there can be a few hundred dollars difference from one to the other because none of what I just said comes cheap. And here’s the kicker, though. That person doing that brake job, you know what? The first time around, you know what? Those torque yield bolts might actually be okay. And they might actually hold and not be a problem. In fact, might even be okay on the second brake job. But guess what? By the time you get to the second or third, I said second maybe, by the time you get to the third, guess what? They may not hold anymore. They might actually brake. And now you have no brakes when it’s all said and done. And I don’t want to be that guy. Point is, not everybody in the industry, believe it or not, not everybody in the industry understands torque yield bolts, especially on brakes.
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Yeah, they don’t. And a lot of times these are in 15-passenger vans, small buses, you know, things of that nature. Chevy Cruzes. Chevy Cruzes. Chevy Pickups. But, I mean, you’ve got things that have a lot of lives in it going down the road. Correct. Or they weigh a lot, you know, contractor vans and stuff like that. So it can be dangerous when you don’t do it right.
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And, again, this isn’t something that – well, let me just say this. You can look this up on your own vehicle. In fact, you can do a quick AI search on your own vehicle and know whether it’s got torque yield bolts on the calipers or not. So what I would encourage you to do is if you’re going to call around for prices – First of all, find out, does it have torque yield bolts? And then when you go and get a price from somebody and you ask them, are you including the caliper bolts because these are torque yield bolts? And they say, no, you’re going to know right away, hang up and go somewhere else. Because they have no idea what we’re doing when it comes to these particular jobs. And I’m not trying to be rude, but that’s the reality of how this works. Right? Yeah, it is.
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Very true.
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And I’m not exaggerating when I say not everybody knows about this because not everybody knows about this.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, they don’t.
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Let me say it this way. The way you would know if a vehicle has torque yield bolts or not is you’ve got to get into the electronic data. You’ve got to pull up that specific job. It’ll typically show you through colors. Yeah. In that particular job, these are bolts that are one-time use only. They’re purple, they’re green, they’re red, they’re whatever they’re coloring that particular manufacturer is using to tell you whether these bolts are going to work or not. And unless a technician is looking at that, and I’ll be honest with you, a lot of guys, because they think they know how to do brake jobs, and they probably do. but they never look at that part of it to determine, is this even what I need to do?
SPEAKER 05 :
Or do most shops even have that information?
SPEAKER 06 :
In some cases, no, Josh, they don’t.
SPEAKER 05 :
They kind of depend on the parts house to have the rotor spec, and that’s about all you get out of that.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m here to tell you that a lot of the quick break shops, I’m not going to name names, I’m not going to throw anybody under the bus, but I guarantee you there’s a lot of the quote-unquote quick break job shops that are out there that don’t have the information that I’m talking about and don’t know that’s what’s supposed to be done and in turn never replace them, if at all rarely do they ever replace those. And frankly, that’s probably only because some technician works someplace else that shows up there that says, hey, boss, you know, this vehicle has torque yield bolts on the calipers, and we better be pricing this out. If that doesn’t happen, it ain’t happening. Nope. And, again, not throwing anybody under the bus, but there’s more to this than what you normally see, and it’s not like doing brakes. I’ll use that 1994 Chevy we’ve been talking about on the wiper motor. This isn’t 1994 anymore. No, it’s not. It’s not. We don’t live in that era. And I said this earlier in the week on my daily show. This is why, folks, labor rates are 180 plus in the automotive industry on an hourly basis because you’ve got to do all of these things we’re talking about, have all of those information systems at your disposal. The OEMs all, by the way, just recently went through and upped the price. on a lot of what I just mentioned in gaining access to these things, meaning that the shops are now paying more money to get that information at hand, and none of it’s getting any cheaper to do. That’s why the cost of getting your car fixed keeps going up.
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Yep, it does.
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All right, we’ve got a review coming up. We did a Toyota 4Runner, the newest one, recently. Richard, my son, drove that. We’ll talk about that here in a moment. Stay tuned. We’ll be back right after that. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. All right, second vehicle you drove, which this is one where I get lots of listeners that comment on this particular vehicle. This is a very popular vehicle in our neck of the woods, in all of our listening audience, and that is the Toyota 4Runner. So which year, which model of that did you drive?
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Yeah, Dad, so we’ve been looking forward to this car and waiting for this for a little bit, which is the 2025 4Runner. This was the Limited, which gives you the third row on this vehicle. And some of your listeners are going to say, well, why the 2025? Well, this is, especially if you’re listening to this now or in the future, this is when they redesigned it, right? So we’ve been waiting for the redesigned 4Runner, Dad, for years now. They finally delivered it. All of them now come with a turbocharged four-cylinder engine. You’ve got updated interior. And I’ll just say this. If you’re wanting to know what the interior looks like, number one, go out and see it yourself. Number two, Toyota’s really synonymous, Dad, with kind of keeping what works in a lot of their other vehicles, especially their SUVs, and kind of transferring it. So it’s got the big old display in the front, similar-styled knobs. And it works well, Dad, because if you’ve gotten into one and then you hop into another… you know where everything’s at you’re not constantly searching for this button or that button or whatever it might be their infotainment system works really really well which is fantastic um let me see what else here oh so again i did mention this does have a third row i will say this dad that third row isn’t going to do much other than being able to say it’s a third row even for my kiddos getting into that third row is hard pressing especially when you put it up you do not have a lot of room behind behind that third row for cargo however if you maybe just need that extra seat dad right you need that extra little bit of room and you can keep one of them one side down you can put the other side up definitely would be something that i consider because the limited i believe is one of the trim levels that does have it price point dad the sr5 is kind of the low level about 43 000 and we drove again we drove the limited and i actually do have the window sticker on this car dad as it sits 62,740. But again, that’s on the higher end data. It’s got all of the bells and whistles that you want on it, all of the different things that you would like. People are going to ask, well, how does this run, Richard? Well, that turbocharged engine, Dad, which is a very similar engine that they’ve been putting in a lot of their other vehicles, their SUVs and trucks, runs really well at our altitude. However, I will say this. You’re not going to gather a whole lot more fuel economy as a result of it, Dad. But at the same time, I don’t know if you’re buying a – well, I’ll just say this. If you’re buying a 4Runner for your fuel economy, I’m not sure you’re buying it for great purposes. Mm-hmm. Outside of that, Dad, it still is, and you’ve done this because you’ve driven these forever, done the work on them, all sorts of things.
SPEAKER 06 :
ready off-road equipped vehicle straight from the lot that you can buy out there right and yeah pretty much i mean the only competition for this of course is you know bronco or or a wrangler of course but they’re both different vehicles the forerunner again has its own i’ll say it colt following whereby there’s people that will only buy a forerunner and i’ll also say this a lot of them probably never see a gravel road you know you know at the end of the day, but it really doesn’t matter. If that’s the vehicle they like, that’s what they’re buying, and that is a very popular vehicle, meaning the resale value on it has been, will be high, just like they always have been.
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Absolutely. And again, this is a car, Dad, that you can take, especially here in Colorado, go up and out, go up to the mountains, do whatever you want to. And again, with that updated engine, you have the ability to pretty much go wherever you want to go, Dad. And like you said, it does hold its value. It is a Toyota. They’re still tried and true. They’ve done that forever. It’s got a lot of the off-road features that maybe you would add that kind of come standard on them, especially depending on the trim level you get, right? You can kind of get as much or as little of those as you want. And then the last thing I’ll say is this. You get a lot of that off-road functionality, Dad, without having to give up some on-road comfort with some of those other competitors you mentioned. That’s right. You kind of do, right? You have to give up a little bit in the way of creature comforts in order to get some of those off-road pieces. So outside of that, folks, I know a lot of you have been wanting to learn more about this. There’s only so much we can cover in these reviews. Check it out yourself. Head to your local dealers. I know they’re starting to get to dealers lots more and more. And then also call, ask questions, email us. But when you do go to the dealer, let them know that John and Richard Rush from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason sent you.
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All right, we are back. Josh Goff with me again. Legacy Automotive and Ridgeline Auto Brokers up in Boulder. And Longmont, Fort Collins. And again, Larry Unger answering phones. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. Appreciate all of them and all of you guys listening as well. Been a great day today. Had a lot of great text messages that have come in and so on. We got to talking about all sorts of things today. One of them being EVs. And it’s funny. And nothing against you guys because I know some of you guys are like, you know, I’m never going to buy an EV. They can’t force me to buy an EV. Well… I get that, and I understand, and I think the free market would have done a much better job of getting people in them versus where it is today. But Josh mentioned something during the break, which is how many people drive SUVs and pickup trucks that don’t need them?
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A lot of people.
SPEAKER 06 :
Probably, I don’t want to say all, because there’s some guys that are using them for work and their businesses and different things, and I get that part of it. But I will tell you that by and large, most pickup truck owners don’t need them.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. How often do they really use that?
SPEAKER 06 :
You go rent one from Home Depot the two or three times a year, you actually need something.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, or U-Haul or one of those. And save money.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly. So point being, they’re spending more money to buy something they don’t really need because it’s what they like, and that’s what’s great about America. They can buy what they want and drive what they want, which, by the way, I’m all for.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that includes whether you want to drive a pickup truck, a Prius, an EV, a whatever. I mean, I don’t care if you want to drive an F-550 every day. I mean, you can drive whatever you want to. I could really care less. That’s completely up to you and what you want to do in your lifestyle. And I’m never going to force you to buy anything. That’s the problem EVs had was government was trying to force that on people. Now, all that being said, and Josh knows what I’m going to say next, don’t knock it till you drive one.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m dead serious.
SPEAKER 06 :
Don’t knock it till you drive one. Because once you do, you’re liable to not drive anything else. I’m not exaggerating when I say that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Especially around town or, you know, on short drives. Man, there’s nothing like them. And that is why, Josh. You’re going to change your driving habits, especially if you’re used to something with low power because your 0 to 60 is – and most of them, you’ve never owned something that fast.
SPEAKER 06 :
Nope. Very true. Let me just say this. Even on some of the not-so-powerful – I use that term loosely – EVs, 0 to 40, nothing will compete. Even a Nissan Leaf, zero to 40, nothing competes.
SPEAKER 05 :
I got a Leaf and a Focus right now, and that thing will knock the doors off of 90% of the cars, non-EV, from zero to 40.
SPEAKER 06 :
One of you asked really quick, why is it I have a 307 area code for the text line? Because the service I signed up for years ago when I did it, that was the closest thing to Colorado I could find. There were no 303 or 720 or any other numbers available at that time, and And by the way, the combination, the text line that we have, the combination of the 307 number combo, I just felt like it worked better than what we have with anything else. So that’s why I did the 307-200-8222. It just rolls right off your tongue and works. That was the number I found, and because of how easy it was to say on air and easy to remember afterwards, that’s why we ended up with a 307 area code for a text line versus anything else because, no, I did not want to use my personal cell phone number. That is a text line that I use an app and some different things for, and it is not my personal cell phone number for obvious reasons. And there was a time, and I should also go back a little bit, and I’m at that point in time again right now to where at one point in time we had several different helpers, interns, et cetera, that would handle the text line for me, and I didn’t have to do a lot of the answering back and forth. And it’s gotten so busy of late that really I’m at a point where I need like a weekend Saturday volunteer that will come in here and run the text line for me. So any of you that are out there that you know anybody that is – Maybe, especially younger, they’re wanting to get into the industry, either automotive or broadcasting or whatever, and it doesn’t have to be male, female, I don’t care. If you know somebody that you think might be interested in having some fun and joining in with us on a Saturday basis, it’s not a paid position, but if somebody wants to come in and volunteer and have some fun and enjoy what we do, I’d be more than willing to talk to that person, have them sit in here with us and handle our text line, because it’s We get a lot anymore. This is not an exaggeration. We get as many or more text messages than phone calls. In fact, it’s getting to the point where it’s almost not quite two to one text messages to phone calls, but it’s substantially higher than what we get when it comes to phone calls now because it’s so easier for people to text things in. It is. And they can text pictures and you guys are out, you know. doing different things or you’re at the ball game or you’re watching the grandkids or the kids or whatever and you’re still listening and you’re texting and it just works and you don’t have to be on the telephone to do all of that and i can still we can still get the same questions answered so yeah if you know anybody out there listening that you know if any of you listening know anybody that would like to participate in what we do uh by all means do so now one thing i want to talk about this i want to do this when josh was here there was an article this last week In thedrive.com. By the way, that’s a good website. And it’s interesting that it’s not Drive Radio, it’s The Drive. But these guys do good. They’re fairly decent journalists. I read a lot of their stuff. They do kind of a daily newsletter that I read and get a lot of automotive news from. And I like them. And, you know, I guess you’d call it an endorsement, but I like them. There was an article this past week, Anatomy of a Scam. how an experienced Porsche 911 Hunter lost $20,000 in one click. It’s a very interesting story, and the point of this story is this is a very savvy shopper, had bought many things online before. Again, a guy that looks for 911s and does some buying and selling of, and yet at the end of the day got scammed out of $20,000 online. It happens.
SPEAKER 05 :
It does. It does.
SPEAKER 06 :
And the reason I wanted to mention when Josh was here is because there’s a lot of folks out there that will try to sell you a used car, and that car doesn’t exist.
SPEAKER 05 :
Mm-hmm. Doesn’t.
SPEAKER 06 :
They’re selling you pictures, descriptions, and so on, and they don’t own the car.
SPEAKER 05 :
They pull the pictures off another one for sale and a VIN that they find a VIN out there somewhere that matches.
SPEAKER 06 :
Might even match that same car. It might even match that car, yeah. I mean, some of these guys, by the way, they can go out and find the listing and get their car facts and they can mimic and look like it’s the actual ad reproduced, by the way, from another ad. And there is no. So the reason I wanted to have you here to talk about this, Josh, is how would people get around that? So Lucy called in earlier. She’s looking to buy a car. There’s always people that text me weekly. Hey, I’m looking to buy this. I’m looking to buy that. What do you think about this car? What do you think about that car? How do they avoid these scams?
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, the main thing is, you know, I would let it go a little bit. So usually the first few texts back and forth, it seems pretty legit. It’s about the third or fourth you start to see the holes in it. Okay. You know, like they’re going to want, you know, a cashier’s check and they’re going to, you know, transport it for you for free or there’s going to be something like that. They’re going to want something on it. It’s always the first two that look legit. We had one the other day, you know, a guy wanted to buy one of our cars and, And then about the fourth or fifth text, you could figure out that it was a scam because he was trying to send money our way, the usual Nigerian Prince scam is what it is. The other thing is Google that car. So put that VIN in or put that car in and see if there’s another site with that VIN number or the pictures of that car. So a lot of times you’ll find the original site. It was probably two years ago. Somebody had that car up for sale. and you’ll find the original listing and be able to go from there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Really quick, for those of you that what Josh just said, here’s how you do that exactly. First of all, the car that you’re looking at, just download the picture. Do either copy, paste, save as a download. I mean, depending upon what system you use, Windows, Mac, whatever, you’ve got the ability to save that picture to your desktop. You can even be on your phone and do it. But save that photo. Once it’s saved, Google Chrome specifically, Google Chrome specifically has a little icon right in the toolbar, right to the right of the toolbar. There’s a little picture, little camera icon. Click that, and that’s a picture search. Then what you do is you insert. Basically, it says, what picture do you want me to find? It’s going to ask you, basically. You take the picture you just saved, put it into Google, and see if it comes up anywhere else on the Internet. And it’ll tell you. Here, it was over here. It was over there. It was five years ago here. To Josh’s point, that’s how you’ll learn, was this a picture taken from the Internet before just now? Or is today’s listing actually coming up as the picture? If that’s the only picture you can find, well, that’s one indicator that it’s probably a real picture or a live picture, I guess, a live listing. Let me say it that way. It’s probably a live listing. If, on the other hand, you see that car listed. Or pictures of either at a car show or it’s here or it’s there. By the way, it’s also how you can determine if some of these weird text messages you get where, you know, some person is trying to get you to take their job or do this or do that. You can do exactly the same thing. You can take whatever picture they send you, put it into the exact same system I’m telling you and determine is this legit or not. It takes five seconds. Yeah. It isn’t any longer than that. That is one of the first ways to look at, is this a real listing or is somebody trying to scam me?
SPEAKER 05 :
And the other side is you can take that VIN number and put it in the Carfax. You’ve got to give them a little money, but Carfax will tell you. If they say they’re in California but that car was last registered in Wisconsin, you instantly know something’s going on. And if it’s in a dealer’s lot, it’ll show up on Carfax. After a few days in the dealer’s inventory, Carfax will say, hey, Ridgeline Auto Brokers has this car in Boulder, Colorado. So you can kind of track the history too and catch them in their lies that way.
SPEAKER 06 :
Um, and Josh is right too, even on, as you start asking certain questions of the seller, you know, in this particular case, in this whole story, the 9-11, he was asking for documentation of the history and what had been done to the car and so on and so forth. And by the way, this guy, again, he got scammed for 20 grand. So everything must have seemed really, really legit to this particular person. I think some of the mistakes he made are some of what we’re talking about that he could have avoided.
SPEAKER 04 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 06 :
Insert the picture into a search tool. Find out if this thing’s been listed anywhere else. Do a Carfax search. Now, this car happened to be overseas, which makes things a little bit more difficult, which, truthfully, that’s a whole other ballgame. Buying cars out of the U.S., that’s a whole other level, by the way, of risk because now you’ve even got to get the car here and import it. And there’s all sorts of things that go along those lines. And that’s another one thing to be really careful of is even cars you’re looking at here where it might be a more rare car. and we don’t talk about this much on this program, probably should because there’s black market cars and gray market cars. Gray market cars are still legal. You can still get them through customs, emissions, and so on, and they call them gray because they’re gray. They’re in that gray area of the law, if you would. You can still import them. You can still drive them. You can still use them. All of that, you’re good to go. Then there’s black market cars, which are not supposed to be imported. They won’t pass emissions. They don’t pass our safety standards. Lots of things there. In fact, if they find a black market car, they can seize it, take it, and you’re out the money.
SPEAKER 05 :
They either got smuggled in or came over in pieces.
SPEAKER 06 :
And typically they’re more exotics, although not always. It could be something as simple as an old Land Cruiser or a Range Rover or something along those lines. And there’s black market cars of those as well. So that’s another thing that you’ve got to be really, really careful of. Is the car that I’m looking at, A, is it a legitimate listing and car? B, is this a car that’s actually going to pass emissions and work for me? And, again, some of you guys are looking at cars that are out of state. meaning they don’t have the same laws there that we have here, meaning they may not pass VIN inspection, may not pass emissions, and so on. Those are things you’ve got to have all dialed in on the front side. All right, last break coming up. We’ll come back. Got calls coming in, 303-477-5600, Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Hello, John. Hey, Jim. I’m calling you about a 2011 Dodge Ram Cummins Laramie Mega Cab.
SPEAKER 18 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
I’ve got a P0191. It’s a fuel rail pressure sensor. Uh-huh. Okay. I replaced it, and it didn’t fear the problem. It got worse even. Squirrels got in and started eating my wiring up and building a nest.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s been fun. But my question is about Chinese injectors versus remanufactured or new Chinese.
SPEAKER 06 :
Only buy the Cummins injectors.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, only the Cummins injectors.
SPEAKER 10 :
Don’t buy anything else. The Chinese injectors are a Cummins product. The Chinese or the Cummins has got a 50-50 partnership with a Chinese manufacturer. So they’re making Cummins engines in China and parts for it. Anyway.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, even with that, though, there’s still going to be a difference between what they’re approving as an injector versus what even somebody China aftermarket is going to be producing. Not going to be one and the same.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you have any experience with the remanufactured?
SPEAKER 06 :
Depends on the only remanufactured injectors we’ve used that we’ve had any kind of luck with at all as a fleet shop. There’s a Pensacola Diesel, which they’ll make some new and or reman injectors. That’s the only remanufactured diesel products we’ve used and had any kind of luck with, Jim. Pensacola Diesel.
SPEAKER 10 :
Pensacola Diesel. I’ve heard of them. I saw them on the Internet.
SPEAKER 06 :
And I learned about them from, I coached a diesel shop for a long time back in Indiana, and he, the owner there, is the one that actually got me on using their products because he used them in his shop, did a lot of fleet work and so on as well, and I have used their products in our fleet shop, and we’ve had good luck. So that’s a personal testimony on my part.
SPEAKER 10 :
So I’m going to ask you about the service code, the P0191. Okay. I think it’s, I have fuel in my oil, I believe.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
No smoke. My smoke, my exhaust is clean. And do you think, it’s 200,000 miles on a truck. So I’m thinking it needs injectors. I bought it used with 180,000 on it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I think before you do anything, personally, and I’ll ask Josh this question, but I think if it were me personally, I would want to see exactly what are the pressure readings coming out of the fuel system itself. I’d either get a scan tool on it. You might even have to get an actual manual gauge on it. But I’d want to know specifically what are the rail pressures at. In other words, what’s causing that code to set.
SPEAKER 05 :
That and also, you know, what we do a lot of times is I have the block-off tools and the flow. So I look at return pressure, or not return, but return flow, the actual volume coming back out of all the injectors. And I’m able to block off certain ports on the return side to be able to really tell whether it’s the injectors or the pump can’t produce enough pressure, too.
SPEAKER 06 :
By the way, I highly doubt that it’s an injector unless it’s blowing a lot of black smoke because one of them is bleeding off or leaking. If it’s not blowing a bunch of black smoke, Jim, I would think that it’s either that sensor, you know, A, your wiring issues, we still have an issue.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
That sensor you put in just isn’t correct and there’s something wrong there. Or to Josh’s point, the high pressure pump’s bad.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it can be injectors too. I’ve seen all of those. But, you know, instead of the injectors aren’t cheap, the pump’s not cheap, nothing on this truck is cheap. It’d be nice to know for sure. Don’t just throw parts at it. Don’t throw parts because it’s thousands when you start throwing parts at it. Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep, three grand for injectors and tubes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and really quick, what pressure sensor, whose did you use? Whose did you buy?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s a Cummins from Geno’s.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, and they’re another good aftermarket supplier, and it’s not like our Geno’s here in Denver with a J. That’s Geno’s with a G for everybody listening.
SPEAKER 1 :
Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
And they’re a good supplier as well, Jim. They sell some good, high-quality aftermarket parts and got a great deal on filters and things like that. So, yeah, nothing wrong with their stuff at all either. So their sensors should be fine. I don’t see any issues there.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. The only other question I’m wondering about is the fuel that’s sent back to the tank through the filter. I forget what you call it now. The return fuel after the ejection.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because I have fuel in my oil. The injector must be leaking into the oil.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you’re probably over… Possibly. It takes a lot on a diesel, though, for that to actually happen. You’d almost have to have one stuck completely open to be doing that, meaning you’d be blowing a ton of black smoke as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
All the time.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s the deal, no smoke.
SPEAKER 06 :
Meaning… It runs great.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it doesn’t run great. I’m only getting 11 miles a gallon, and… The throttle is a little sluggish, taken off when you get on it. So that was making me think it was the injectors. But I don’t have the equipment to test pressures. All I can do is look at my scanner, and it shows commanded versus actual.
SPEAKER 05 :
And do they follow each other, or are they off?
SPEAKER 10 :
The actual fluctuates a great deal, but it’s in the ballpark. Like, say, 5,800.
SPEAKER 06 :
So keep this in mind, too, Jim, that, you know, and I want to make sure that was correct, so I double-checked myself to look up because I was pretty sure of it, but I want to double-check. That high-pressure pump, if it’s going bad, it will leak fuel into the crankcase as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
It will.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s driven by the gears.
SPEAKER 06 :
In fact, it’s more likely, again, since you don’t have a lot of black smoke coming out, it’s most likely coming into the crankcase from that, not a bad injector. And we’d also set that code.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you know what the actual pressures are? Have you got any readings on it to know what they are?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, it’s 5,250. It’s commanded, but do you know what it’s actually reading?
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, it’s asking for that, but do you know what it actually is?
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s just idle. Usually idle.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’d take it on a test drive and get it under a hard load. That’s when you really see what the injectors are doing. At idle, the injectors are just putting along. Under hard loads, that’s when the injectors are really working, and that’s when you’ll start to see flow issues too.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, because idle is just the 5,500 to 6,500 roughly. Max pressure is like 26,000 PSI.
SPEAKER 05 :
So that’s why I like to go out and really get the thing going, get it up to 15,000, 11,000 PSI, and then you’ll see a big difference in actual desire. Because the pump can handle idle all day long. It’s only 5,000 PSI. Once you get up to the 11,000, 15,000, 17,000, that’s when you really watch a pump not be able to keep up. Correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. I’m leaning more towards the pump being bad, Jim. And I apologize. We’re running out of time. But, you know, you can send me an email or a text message or call Josh even directly up at Ridgeline and talk to him directly if you’ve got any more questions.
SPEAKER 10 :
Can I get an email?
SPEAKER 06 :
Sure. Go ahead, Josh. Yeah. Josh at LegacyAutoBoulder.com.
SPEAKER 10 :
J-O-S-H?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 05 :
J-O-S-H.
SPEAKER 10 :
J-O-S-H. At Legacy.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep. LegacyAutoBoulder.com. Dot com. Dot com. All right.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Jim, thanks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Appreciate you very much. And that’s going to wrap it up for today. Josh, again, thank you as always. Appreciate it. Give me your phone number while we’re at it.
SPEAKER 05 :
So call me at Legacy 303-396-0555.
SPEAKER 06 :
Larry, thank you very much for coming in and answering phones. Charlie Grimes, our engineer. And again, folks, thank you so much for listening. You can always send us a text message after the show is over as well. 307-200-8222. 307-200-8222. We’ll be back next week. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 13 :
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