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On this episode of A Guy’s Perspective, the crew dives headfirst into one of their most passionate conversations yet: what it means to be a “traditional man” in 2025.
From handshakes and integrity to courage, provision, and protection, the guys tackle questions about leadership, societal shifts, and whether the “traditional man” still exists. Callers weigh in with stories of strong fathers, stoic wisdom, and quotes from Seneca to Stalin. The conversation ranges from light-hearted moments—like a hilarious Panera Bread parking showdown and pumpkin carving contest—to deep reflections on divorce, ego, transgender debates, leadership in the home, and the impact of
SPEAKER 12 :
I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
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you make it you can’t always live up to expectations you try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations as a good man
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Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real-life topics that men today are dealing with. Whether married, single parent, or just single, we invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
How’s everybody doing today? This is The Guy’s Perspective at KLZ 560 AM. Before we get started and go around the room and introduce the guys, I just want to say we’re… So the second caller who calls in today, we’ll give them a gift card. For what? We’ll give them a gift card to the Spaghetti Factory. The problem is people, whenever you call in, make sure you stay on the phone so we get your information. Otherwise, we don’t know who you are. And another thing is the 25th is our last show of this month. And so go onto our webpage online. Or send a picture to theguysperspective5 at gmail.com and show us a picture of the coolest pumpkin. We’re going to do a pumpkin drive. If you’ve got the coolest pumpkin carving, take a picture, send it to us. We’ll take a vote. If you win that, we’ll give you… Two tickets to a haunted house. How about we do that? Oh, spooky. Spooky, since it’s Halloween time. That’ll be super cool, man. Some dude and his wife or girlfriend will go to a haunted house or, you know, a dad and his son will go to a haunted house.
SPEAKER 07 :
They’ll get the pumpkin scared out of them.
SPEAKER 06 :
True, but you have to go to our webpage. It’s theguysperspective.org. It’s all lowercase. Or go to our email, theguysperspective5 at gmail.com. And post a picture of your pumpkin that you’ve carved. You’ve got until the 25th to do it. And if so, the winner will get… um two tickets to a haunted house but in the meantime if you’re the second caller today you will get a gift card but you got to come into the studio to get your gift card unless you got a terminal illness or something and they can’t make it but um with that being said let’s get into our topic the topic today is traditional man long established do you guys think the traditional man even exists anymore reno of course
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m looking at him.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tell us why you say that, man. First off, what’s the traditional man to you?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know. I was going to ask you that. What do you consider the traditional man?
SPEAKER 06 :
I think the traditional man, at least for me, is… I would probably say like, actually, I’ve got it right here. I would say the traditional man to me is like his character, like the availability to show up. You know what I’m saying? For example, if you tell your woman you’re going to take her to dinner, you should probably pick up the tab versus her pick up the tab.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or even show up. Some guys might not even show up. And that’s not a man. If a man says, hey, I’m going to do that, and it’s a handshake, he’ll show up.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re bringing up a good point. Does the handshake even work anymore?
SPEAKER 11 :
With me, I would say yeah, but there’s people who have given their word that haven’t followed through, and I would say that’s not a traditional man. I would think a traditional man would honor his word.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so you think a handshake. What about with business? I mean, honestly, think about it. If that guy shakes your hand but doesn’t sign on the dotted line, are you doing business with him?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Are you doing business with a man if they if you do handshake or you do sign on the dotted line and and they back out of the deal? Like I do. I think it’s integrity. It’s honesty. It’s loyalty. It’s showing up. That’s that’s what it is to be not only a man, but a good human. Somebody would follow through.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gotcha. What if you’ve got somebody who says they’re going to be there, but they’re always late 24-7? It’s a late man. But you know what I’m saying? If you go back to looking at the traditional man, at least from everything that I’ve looked at, first off, let’s ask this question. Why is the traditional man so complex today? Is it because there are so many divorces that happen? And does a woman even want a traditional guy?
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t know. Today, I think people might have a different definition of a traditional man or a man period. Some men don’t even want to be men.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my goodness. That is deep. No. It’s true. He’s right. Some men don’t want to be men. Some men don’t want to be men.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and not just, you know, like not trying to bash or knock on like anybody trans if they want to be like woman. But there’s kids that don’t want to grow up. There’s 40-year-old. I was going to say 40-year-old virgin, but it’s like 40-year-old man who’s still at his mom’s. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
You haven’t become a man. You’re still a child.
SPEAKER 06 :
So do you think, okay, so what actually makes a man a man then in society today?
SPEAKER 07 :
Courage.
SPEAKER 06 :
Maybe. Maybe courage. Well, you can’t say courage because it takes courage for a man to transition to a woman. That does take courage. No, it does in today’s society.
SPEAKER 11 :
I would say that takes an extreme amount of courage. Yeah, it does.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, because when you think about men playing women’s sports, which we’ve talked about that before here on the show, which I think is absolute crazy.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m telling you, it doesn’t take courage to be a man and say that you’re a woman and then go beat up on women. That is the opposite of courage. That is sandbagging and planning the attack to win. You know what I’m saying? Yeah, I know exactly what you’re saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that’s the opposite of courage in that. But yeah, that person, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 06 :
So that’s what makes it such a complex question. Like, is the traditional man still around? Because you have transgenderism like that. Because there’s so many men nowadays who they’re not going to keep their word. They’re no longer going to. There’s so many men that don’t even want to be men. They want to be women. And I think that’s absolutely crazy to think about. Like, let me ask you this. Okay, you guys are business owners, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
If, if a man is transitioned to a woman, are you going to do business with them?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 11 :
What do you say? Well, it’s individual. It’s not, it’s, it does that. That doesn’t matter in business. It’s, it’s, um, individual. So in most conversations, you can kind of gauge someone’s character. And if someone that’s in transition has more honor, salt, and worth than a so-called man, then I’m going to choose to do business with the one that has the most integrity.
SPEAKER 06 :
Gotcha. Gotcha. So basically at the end of the day, it’s coming down to the person who’s going to do the quality work better. They’re going to show up on time.
SPEAKER 07 :
Or like Reno was saying, as us being business owners, we have the right to choose or deny to conduct business with somebody.
SPEAKER 06 :
Is that true, though? Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dude, just yesterday, just yesterday, man, somebody was coming at me with manipulation in their speech of how they wanted to have their windshield repaired. And then at the end, they said… Um, I said, I can’t serve you. Um, so you’re going to have to go elsewhere. And he, he laughed it off. Like he said, Oh, because I asked for a lower price. The guy never once asked for a lower price. The guy was asking me to compromise my integrity by showing up to do half of what my job is. And he wanted half the price for that. You see what I’m getting at? Yeah. Yeah. So, so I denied him. I said, I refuse to give you service, sir. If he was a sir, but he was not a man.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I’ve done the same thing. Someone asked me to hook up a hot tub that was too old to be protected. And I said, do you realize you’re putting your family in danger? He wanted me to hook it up anyway. And he needed a bunch of other work done on top of that. But if I hook that up, I walk away, and his family gets electrocuted inside of a hot tub, then I’m charged with the multiple murder. But not only that. I have to live with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And people call us at 303-477-5600. This is getting good.
SPEAKER 07 :
The traditional man. I’d say, Reno, in that scenario, out of the two, there was only one that worked with honor. Because you could have taken the out and take less money and do the bad job. But at what cost? Like, major cost.
SPEAKER 06 :
So it’s funny we’re talking about this because I was reading the other day about – and this was years ago, but it happened here in Colorado. In school, they had this – they were talking about this company that denied business to a certain – ethnic group or particular people who were transgenders like they wanted a certain kind of cake made but they decided they’re not going to make it so they took them all the way to court for that so there are people out there that even though you turn them down because we may not feel like they’re the traditional man People take people to court over that stuff all the time now. It’s super crazy.
SPEAKER 07 :
To me, it blows me away. I think it’s what Reno was saying and what we’ve been saying, which is it’s honor. That makes a man and or a woman one that has integrity. I think women probably deal with the same kind of thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so let me read this to you. Approximately 21% of men have been divorced once or more in their lives. By 55, about 37% of men who have married have been divorced at least once. Divorce rate is around 2.4 to 2.5 per 1,000 people. First marriages end in a divorce about 40 to 50%. Second merit, 60 to 67%. Third merit, 70% plus. And 69% of marriages are presented to their significant other by a woman. So this is the question I want to ask you as a traditional man. Knowing these stats, if a man turns around and says he wants a divorce, does that make him less of a traditional man or does that make him more of a wimpy man?
SPEAKER 07 :
Circumstantial, I’d say.
SPEAKER 11 :
Why is he asking for a divorce?
SPEAKER 06 :
Good, good question, right? That’s a deep question. Okay, let’s go down that path. What if the significant other he’s with is just strung out on drugs and there’s no stability in their home and he wants to move forward?
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Does that make him less of a man if he chooses divorce because he’s tried every other angle to provide help to somebody who it’s only enabling? God, this is a good subject.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, you flipped the script. What do you mean you flipped the script? No, what I’m saying is if you flip the script and there’s a woman who stands by her husband who is on drugs, Which the only reason I’m saying that is because I know someone personally who stood by her husband until he passed away.
SPEAKER 07 :
The whole time. Really? She totally honors the marriage. She’s a man.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER 11 :
Don’t go down that road because we’re going to talk about that. No, she stood by him when I thought, wow, I don’t know if I could do that. So there’s some women who are stronger in that aspect than men. But if I’m looking at… drug addict and all the stuff that comes along with it and I want to stay in that marriage it’s individual how bad do you want it or when is it time to just say enough so I don’t know if that’s saying you’re less of a man if you choose to walk away because different people go through different things throughout their life that will cause them to stay or cause them to leave. And you can’t say one is worse than the other because you don’t know the path that they took to get to where they’re at. why they’re choosing to leave or stay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because, guys, I’ll be absolutely real with you guys. I took a chance on a different career to make a lot of money. Those dudes fired my butt, and I feel like less of a man. So when does it become…
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, about provision?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, exactly. Because if you’re a man, traditionally, like you’re saying, like eventually there’s a time where a man just gives up. But when is it that where a man feels so isolated to where he just throws up his hands and he just says, forget everything.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it’s going to be different for everyone. Yeah. Every person’s going to be different.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hey, which we should congratulate everybody who here is listening and everybody who’s here for having made it as far as you have. I mean, I’m at 48 years. You know, you guys are 40s as well. And we’ve obviously had to go through a lot of struggles to get here and all the listeners that are here, too.
SPEAKER 11 :
I’m actually 52.
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52.
SPEAKER 06 :
And everybody who knows better than us, call at 303-477-5600 because we’d like to know your input of like, how long do you… Endure. Endure. That’s a good word. How long do you… Well, okay, so now let me ask you this. If a guy’s not being a traditional man, if the woman even wants a traditional man, like when does she step up and she becomes the leader? And is it as a guy, would you follow your woman if she is the leader of everything? Hmm. That’s a deep question.
SPEAKER 11 :
If I’m following my woman and she’s the leader, I’m not a man. I was waiting for what you guys were saying.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because, I mean, if you think about it. No, I mean. Okay, let’s hear it.
SPEAKER 11 :
So there’s a question. A model. Okay. There’s a model of the way things are supposed to be. Let me hear. It comes from the Bible.
SPEAKER 07 :
God’s model.
SPEAKER 11 :
God is the head of the man. The man is the head of the house. And the woman is the neck that turns the head.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right. Whichever direction it needs to go. That’s good. That is really good. I mean, back to Brock’s stats about divorce and stuff like that. I’ve been divorced. I think maybe all of us have at this table. But I called it my practice marriage because it prepared me to be better in my marriage now. But it couldn’t have prepared me to be better in my marriage now if I was unwilling to and if I was too prideful to look within because I can’t change another. I can change myself. And in what I’d like to say about like the Bible and how it pertains to the relationship of a man and a woman. is that she’s a help meet, not a help mate. And I think a lot of guys get it twisted. They think, oh, this woman’s supposed to help me do everything I have and not align in your vision for your benefit. A help meet actually gives you a different perspective of the same goal.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, OK, so so then let me ask you this. OK, since we’re talking about that, like like a guy and what and his long established DNA, because as a man, it really is embedded in you to be a provider. It really is something inside of you that says, hey, I’m going to be the leader. Let’s talk about this. If that situation, like you said, was your trial run for a practice marriage, how would America have done if Kamala would have been our president?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’d be a practice run.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, honestly, though, do you think it would have messed up the dynamics of men? Do you think it would have messed up the dynamics of home?
SPEAKER 07 :
Wait a second. How bad off is Europe?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I don’t know. I don’t live in Europe.
SPEAKER 07 :
Europe’s probably doing pretty well. They’ve been around longer than the U.S. It’s run by a queen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well… You can’t well your way out of that, queen.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s run by a queen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hold on. Elaborate on that.
SPEAKER 07 :
A woman is a queen. A woman is running a country.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, I get what you’re saying. Okay, okay, okay, all right. That makes a lot of sense what you’re saying right there.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
That is a very good point.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s the only point I could use, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, so what you’re saying right there is if we had a woman president, you don’t think it would mess up the dynamic of the man’s DNA and who he is, right? So did your divorce feel like it affected you in any way?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. It affected me negatively as a man.
SPEAKER 06 :
You’re right. Did you feel like it took away from your manhood?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, ego is the first thing that one has to check. And when I was unwilling to check my ego, it ended in divorce. Then I was forced to check my ego if I wanted to be in another marriage.
SPEAKER 06 :
Arena, what about you? Because all three of us have been in a divorce.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, it was definitely a devastating.
SPEAKER 06 :
For sure, life-changing. Life-changing, yeah. So then that’s what I’m saying. I think America, if Kamala would have became president, I think it would have went against the male ego. I don’t know. Try to disagree. You guys can’t disagree with that.
SPEAKER 07 :
That if our country was run by a woman?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Why? Why do you say that? The reason why I say it would have affected men in their household as leaders, because at the highest position… On the planet, if you have a woman making the decisions as the leader, hold on. I got you. I got you. No, no, no, no. Give me a minute after you’re done. When you’re done, let me tell you. All right. I’m not bashing women by any means. We’re talking on a national level because guys are built to be leaders. I personally think it would affect and take away the leadership role of men.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I just want to say I’ve been to the Bilbrey household when they were kids. And I know who ran the house. And it wasn’t Mr. Bilbrey.
SPEAKER 06 :
My mom definitely ran the house.
SPEAKER 07 :
She ran the house, but dad was a provider. Dad was a provider. So that’s why I think just like Christ loved the church is how we’re supposed to love the woman. I think that that does put us in a position of we don’t need to rule with a heavy hand or a rod of steel. we can work together with a woman, put her in position to kind of run household. Does that make sense? Right, no, it makes perfect sense. Like we go out and we earn, we generate. Right. But then that’s the very plight that we keep arguing about. It’s like, oh, is that all the worth of a man is that he’s just making money and bringing money home?
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow. Yeah, because it makes you wonder, because there’s a whole lot more when it comes down to being a man, right? There is. What about the protector part?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. Right, right. Somebody breaks into the house, who’s up to handle that?
SPEAKER 11 :
Are you going to tell your wife, can you go see who that is? I did, actually.
SPEAKER 07 :
Let me tell you. So we got the new house, right? We got the house we’re living in. And it was all being under construction and remodeling and stuff like that. And I went over there, and it was dark, and I was closing up, and I heard like a creak or a thud upstairs, and I just shut and locked the door. And I went home, and my wife’s like, how’s it going? And I was like, oh, pretty good. And she said, is the house locked? I said, yeah. I heard some thud or creak, and she was like, did you go to check? And I was like, uh-uh. I didn’t go to check. I ain’t going to lose my life for this place. And so she put on her boots and grabbed her box cutter, and we went over there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
And she went and she turned on every light, looked in every nook and cranny.
SPEAKER 05 :
Your woman did this when you walked in? This is the best story ever. Yeah. Let me hear this real. That’s funny, bro.
SPEAKER 11 :
So, Heath, you’re the man of the house, huh? I am the man. I think I am.
SPEAKER 06 :
I completely take back what I said about a woman governor of America. Hey, man, that’s a legit story. I love it, man. So is this in your new house, though?
SPEAKER 07 :
In the new house when we didn’t have, like, it was being remodeled, but nobody was living there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. And I was just scared.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s so funny. Did it sound like they were coming upstairs?
SPEAKER 07 :
There was a creak and a thud, and that was enough for me. Yeah, dude, and I’m a black belt. But one of the first things about being in any martial art is knowing how to avoid the fight. I have insurance on the place.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s some funny stuff, man. That is so funny. But you know what I’m saying? Because being a protector is one of the attributes of a guy. Like making your family feel safe, making your home feel safe, making your business a safe place. I think it’s like something that’s installed inside of us. Anybody who wants to give us a call at 303-477-5600, give us a call. We’re talking about their traditional man. So what exactly is a protector to you? Well, you just said it. Your woman’s going to protect the home regardless.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s my protector.
SPEAKER 06 :
What’s a protector to you?
SPEAKER 11 :
Um, someone that protects. I mean, you know, so I don’t think anyone should be speaking against my wife or putting their hands on my wife coming into the house. Um,
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, as a Christian, let’s say you’re at the grocery store and somebody walks up to your woman. You’re probably going to defend her right then, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
He knows Jesus, but he knows how to throw hands, too. I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I mean. is there ever a scenario seriously is there ever a scenario where you should not be protecting your your your children or your wife like let’s say somebody walks up to you exactly you should right what scenario would create a something that you wouldn’t want to protect your your own Let’s say you’re at the grocery store, you come walking out, somebody is just being irate, flipping you off, road rage, hopping in your car, still in your spot. At that point, do you just walk away and say, hey, leave it alone, turn the cheek, or if they make a comment to your wife… Because when you’re by yourself, you can take a lot more than you can if you’re with your girlfriend. You know what I’m saying? Like, you’re going to turn around, and at that point, it’s a fight.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, I mean, I’ve walked away from quite a bit.
SPEAKER 06 :
But that’s by yourself, though.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but when it’s my wife, as long as you don’t violate my space or act like you’re going to touch my wife, I don’t know. I mean… Because you know how the Bible says turn… If someone says something to my wife out of pocket and I haul off and hit them, then I’m the aggressor. Then I’m the one going to jail for assault. So you have to think about it. If I go to jail, who’s providing for my house? So I want to protect my wife from what someone said. And words really don’t hurt you, but It could be extremely disrespectful, and you’d have to hold a lot in to walk away from it. But what’s worse, you walking away or you spending time in jail and you can’t provide for your family?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my God, man. This is good. Smart. That is. That’s logical thinking. But in the moment, are you honest?
SPEAKER 07 :
Those are chess moves, not checkers, man. Wow. Wow. Because he’s thinking of, like, the outcome, the fallout. Think of how deep that was, what he just said. I got a Panera story with me and my wife.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. And we’re going to talk about this on the other side. Call us at 303-477-5600. We’re talking about the traditional man. Well, I want to hear his Panera story. Panera bread. And we’re going to go back to that because what you said was interesting, right? Like, if you end up in jail, who’s providing for your home anyway? Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
yeah so he’s thought ahead of the fight he has thought ahead of that yeah that’s wow that’s that’s bold um give us a call people on the other side thank you i can’t hide myself i don’t expect you to understand i just hope i can explain what it’s like to be a man it’s a
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SPEAKER 12 :
It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home.
SPEAKER 14 :
Amen is what you make it. You can’t always live up to expectations. You try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations. That’s a good man. Do what he should man. Give everything he has and do everything he could man.
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real-life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 06 :
How’s everybody doing today? This is KOZ 560 AM. You can always give us a call at 303-477-5600. I’ll slow that down. 303-477-5600 and talk to the guys. Before the show, we were talking about the traditional man. And Arino, we brought up a scenario like if you’re coming out of the grocery store and someone’s disrespecting you or disrespecting your significant other, like how far do you take it? And he brought a different perspective like, hey, I’m not going to just kick your butt even though I know I could whip your butt. I’m going to put my hands up, and if you’re aggressive and you come at me, then I’m going to knock you out. But otherwise, I’m just going to smile, laugh at you, tell my significant other and kids to get in the car because I don’t want to go to jail because if I go to jail, I can’t provide for my family. And as a guy, providing is huge. When you ain’t got no money in your pocket, that’s the hardest thing in the world. You want to drop a dude to his knees, take his money.
SPEAKER 11 :
Real quick, I just want to give a shout out to Andre. Congratulations.
SPEAKER 06 :
Congratulations.
SPEAKER 11 :
Newborn daughter. Yeah. Just had a daughter this past week.
SPEAKER 06 :
Was it yesterday he had a kid?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, it was Sunday. Was it Sunday?
SPEAKER 06 :
It was Sunday he had his kiddo? No, I think it was. I don’t know. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it was this past week. And congratulations. And try to get some sleep.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hope y’all are doing good. What’s his baby’s name? I don’t know the name yet. Yeah, I don’t even know the name.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s the trick, callers. You get to name the baby.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s a good one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Call in and tell us what Andre’s new baby daughter’s name should be. Andre, we’re going to… That’s funny, bro. That’s some good stuff right there, man. I’m telling you. Listen to the actor. Callers call in at 303-477-5600 and throw out some baby names for Andre’s family, man. Let’s get him hooked up. Tell us about Panera Bread.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, you want to hear Panera Bread. I want to hear this. So picture a beautiful Colorado sunset on North Denver up in Thornton.
SPEAKER 06 :
I got it in my mind.
SPEAKER 07 :
All right. There’s a Panera Bread, man, and there’s very limited parking, and I don’t know why they didn’t take into consideration all the parking.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
So there’s limited parking. We’re pulling in, and we’re waiting for our parking space, right? And there’s somebody coming out, and this person couldn’t see our car from the other side. Well, what do they do? They whip in because the way the car pulled out, they got to whip in. Well, my wife, she was being boisterous and yelling toward this guy like, hey, jerk, why’d you take our spot and all this stuff? And then he gets out and his wife get out and they start yelling too. And my wife’s yelling and I’m driving past, right? And I’m like, forget this. I put it in reverse. I back up, let my wife keep talking all that trash. And so she just talked more and he talked more. And then she made him so mad that when we left, they backed out and left. Nobody had Panera that night. And he pulls up right next to us at the turn signal for the next light. And I had it on my heart to lean across and tell the guy, look, man, I’m sorry. We both lost our heads. Nobody got dinner tonight. But I didn’t. And I kind of regret that. And sir, I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dude, that kind of stuff is for real. Like the whole road rage thing.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, and we were hangry, man. All of us were hungry.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, who came up with the word hangry anyway? Because that is a real thing. You are upset.
SPEAKER 11 :
That is a for real thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
It is a for real thing. Like you’re going to get upset when you’re hungry. But what you’re talking about is…
SPEAKER 11 :
But when I’m hangry and I’m in the house, my wife will ask me, she says, have you eaten?
SPEAKER 07 :
Immediately? She goes to that?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, sometimes she does. She goes, are you hungry?
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s nice. She knows you.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I would have to say these are all part of traditions to a traditional man, right? Like the provider part, like you guys – That was so far from my mind, what Arino said and what you’re saying. To step back, look at the whole scope and say, okay, my bigger role as a man to my home is to be the provider. Because if I lose my job and I ain’t got no money. There’s a lot of consequences.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’s why I think being a man is more along the lines of what Reno was saying, which is when we set down ego and we pick up wisdom, we look for all the ways that this stuff could go sideways or wrong, and we look to the future that we’re risking in a moment’s notice of anger.
SPEAKER 11 :
And then what’s it worth? Win or lose the fight, really, what is it worth?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s all about – it’s actually really selfish when you think about it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Because you want to prove that you can win or you’re right even though you know you’re wrong.
SPEAKER 07 :
So, Reno, you’re saying the difference between a man is selfishness or selflessness, thinking of others.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he’s hitting on something. It may very well be the whole fact of – not being selfish and being selfless to provide people that you care about putting them first.
SPEAKER 07 :
But I think that’s also not necessarily just a man. That’s a Christian selflessness.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, well, then what does the scripture mean that you turn the other cheek? You only got two cheeks. What happens if you turn that second one? Get the other one rosy.
SPEAKER 11 :
You just keep turning, shaking your head no?
SPEAKER 07 :
I guess that’s why God gave us four cheeks. Well, there’s… Dude, you’re killing me, bro. You don’t call him or somebody. It goes from a face slap to a butt kicking.
SPEAKER 06 :
but i mean people call and tell us 303-477-5600 tell us what you think the traditional man is and tell us your situation of of he said somebody was trying to break into his home he sent the wife down there funniest thing ever man and oh truth daddy hey what’s up Hey, what’s happening, fellas? What’s up, man? I love when you call, man.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we do too, man.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tell us what you think about this. What’s this traditional man being road rage the whole nine yards? Tell us about it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I don’t think really the traditional man exists anymore. I don’t think he can, not these days. Wow. When I’m thinking about the traditional man, I’m thinking about the men in the 40s, the 50s, the 30s, you know, chivalrous, you know. The breadwinner, wife saves at home, takes care of the kids, takes care of the house. Times have changed. I don’t think you can be that way anymore. Is that society’s fault? You can be a man, but a traditional man, no. I mean, depending on what you’re talking about, what’s the traditional man? Are you talking about caveman? That’s deep, man. I mean, so yeah, I don’t think the traditional man really exists anymore these days.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thanks, buddy, for calling, man.
SPEAKER 07 :
He’s giving us some fat to chew on there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right on. Thanks for calling in. I like it. Bye. I want to go on with that, too. Hold on, people. That’s one caller. We need another person to call in, and that gift card goes to the second caller. Call us at 303-477-5600. He was hitting some good points right there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, he’s right. It’s almost like society, how it’s set up, doesn’t allow the man to do what he’s done in that time, which is provide.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, it’s created. It’s on purpose.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree with that.
SPEAKER 06 :
It seems like we’re hitting on the provision part. That’s got to be the most important thing as a traditional guy or even as a guy in general. If you can’t provide.
SPEAKER 11 :
What about the guy that’s providing, but his wife makes more money than him?
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m totally cool with that.
SPEAKER 07 :
It emasculates a lot of men. Oh, there’s a lot of men that are good at it. It’s an ego.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s an ego thing, but I would be fine with it. But does that make you less of a man because your wife makes more money than you?
SPEAKER 07 :
What about Superman? What do you mean? What do you mean? Well, Christopher Reeves, man, he went from being like an able body to being disabled. Wow. He could still generate though. He could still generate on them residuals of all the films and all that kind of stuff. But did he, I’m certain he felt like he was less of a man, like he, he could not provide.
SPEAKER 06 :
So basically you’re saying if you were like a quadriplegic or something and your woman had to help you go to the bathroom and things like that, that would probably make you feel like less of a man. I guarantee it.
SPEAKER 07 :
How could you show up? How could you be there?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my God. Didn’t even think about that. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
So much more could be stripped from us than just our money or ability to make money.
SPEAKER 06 :
So at that point, what happens psychologically to a man?
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t even know, bro.
SPEAKER 06 :
God, if any of our callers know, call at 303-477-5600 because it makes you wonder. Psychologically, if you can’t do anything for your home and your significant other has to, oh, how’s it going, Hank? Talk to us.
SPEAKER 16 :
Hey, just a follow-up call on that young man that just called in. I think he’s probably right about today’s man, not what he has been. But to me, that is a challenge to rebuild the strongman of the U.S. that made the U.S., not to just continue down a path of deterioration. And I just picked up a book on philosophy, and it’s about Stoics. And it’s some of the quotes from some of the Stoics. And that means bucking up, don’t let them see you sweat, handle the tough stuff, and keep on trucking. So I think that that’s what we need to do as men in America now. I think that’s the call that’s going out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hank, Hank, thank you for your call, man. But then what about us with all of our whining on this station? No, I don’t think. Because we’re trying to talk a lot and stuff, you know.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re whining, but it’s a version of venting. And I think it’s good that you’re at least that personal and saying what you believe. But I think you’ve got to have a vision for the future. Like where each of you going in your life? What are you going to do with your stuff? And the stoicism is just tactics to get you there.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hank, give us the name of this book. That way our listeners can look at it.
SPEAKER 16 :
I think that’s… Well, the book, I picked it up at Barnes & Noble yesterday. It is called The Stoicism Book of Quotes. And it’s actually fantastic. And it’s a little book. It’s like $12 or $13, $14. The Stoicism, S-T-O-I… C-I-S-M book of quotes. And it’s only 50 pages long or so, but they’re heavy, and they make you think. And that’s what we need to do, is put on our thinking caps and not just react.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hank, do you have one of those quotes handy? I’ve got several of them.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, hit us with one of the quotes. Yeah, by all means, man.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, one thing is… This is from a guy named Seneca, and it says, the whole future lies in uncertainty. Live immediately.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 16 :
In other words, that’s avoiding procrastination.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow. Wayne Gretzky said, you miss 100% of the shots you never take, Hank.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. Hank, I think that’s cool that you called, because as the guy’s perspective, our whole thing is to open men’s eyes about everything, and we love when you call in and you correct us and put us in our place.
SPEAKER 16 :
Here’s another quote from this guy, Seneca. Everything hangs on one’s thinking. A man is as unhappy as he is He has convinced himself to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jesus, that is true. Wow. As a man thinketh, so he is. Oh, boom. Good correlation. Hank, you are the man. Hank, make sure we get your information because we got a gift card for you. Yeah, Charlie will get it for me.
SPEAKER 16 :
Would you ever be… Give it to the next caller. I’m… I’m porky enough already. Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Caller number three will get it in. That’s all, folks. And keep listening to us and go to our webpage. Thank you for calling, man. We love callers like this. You have a good day, man.
SPEAKER 16 :
God bless. Okay, good luck.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. Man, he said some deep stuff. That’s true. Because it’s in your mind, right? If you’re a man and you’re thinking you’re not a traditional man or less than a man, you’re going to always be. And like Truce Daddy said, are we talking about the cavemen? Like this guy piggybacked off of what the Truce said. Like how far back are we looking at the traditional man? Are we talking cavemen times or 2025 times? Right. There’s been a big change. There’s been a paradigm shift.
SPEAKER 07 :
Talk about stoic. Them guys didn’t talk. It was all grunts.
SPEAKER 06 :
right but if you think about look how caveman days worked one was like maybe it was that grunting sound that he knew his wife was hungry and he’s like okay my job is to go out and hunt I’ll hunt come back home you know she gives me some like I could think of some other grunts but but But what they were saying is true. The times have changed if you think about that. This is true.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because I want to vindicate or justify ourselves in what we’ve tried to learn, I think, here. But what are you trying to vindicate, though? Yeah, here’s the point. I’m trying to say that, yes, stoicism has its place of where you don’t cast pearls before swine. You know, don’t, like, over… Don’t always talk about everything to everyone about all the problems. But there are places in which it’s important to do so. Because I do think that a man needs to understand his emotions and how to verbalize them. So there does have to be maybe a new stoic.
SPEAKER 06 :
of of one that is thoughtful considerate considering everything and then they can and we can make our own quotes no from our life and our wisdom and that’s deep but that goes right along with what the truth was saying like has time changed so much that men are now weak when they used to be strong like like hank said or are they stronger now and weaker then i would say we need to get back like hank was saying we need to get back to that
SPEAKER 11 :
All those sayings. In fact, I am going to get that book.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m going to get that book too.
SPEAKER 11 :
The quotes. Right. We’re not like that. There’s none of that now. We need to get back to it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Men have became weak. Let’s be real about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
What’s that cycle? How that goes? It goes like…
SPEAKER 06 :
uh weak men create hard times hard times great strong men strong men create easy times i just read that right and it’s it’s like the cycle i know what you’re talking so what so what part of that cycle are we in give us a call at 303-477-5600 again i’m gonna slow that down where the guy’s perspective calls at 303-477-5600 um the third caller will get the gift card and um What cycle are we in with that? Are we weak men? It’s going to become strong. Are we strong men? They become weak.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s deep. I’m going to say the guys from the 70s, from the 77s, 76s, you know what I mean? We strong.
SPEAKER 06 :
We strong, buddy. My understanding from Hank is that men nowadays are weak, and we need to get back to the strong man.
SPEAKER 11 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, if you think about it, let’s go to Charlie Kirk right here, and I’m not meaning to mess up his name because in my eyes, that man’s a hero. He stood up and he took a bullet for what he believed. In my eyes, that’s being a strong man. I don’t care what nobody says.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m just saying I don’t think he meant to take a bullet.
SPEAKER 06 :
But he was being a traditional man, though. He was being a strong man, though.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but I’m saying that I don’t think he ever thought that he and his speech would ever have faced that. Other people, Martin Luther King, they knew there was like a— Martin Luther King was a strong man, too, though.
SPEAKER 06 :
But some of these guys, when they’re on the pro pit— How’s it going, D, from Fort Collins? How’s it going, D? Sorry about that. Tell us what you think.
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s going beautifully, thank you. I was just going to give you a child of a paraplegic man’s perspective.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
My father was a true leader. It wasn’t just a provider, he was a leader. He was a leader in faith, in morals, in ethics. Okay. From a guy’s perspective, my father, when he got hurt and was told he would never walk again, He never stopped leading his family. Never once. He had four children, a beautiful wife that he was married to for over 70 years.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s amazing, Dee.
SPEAKER 13 :
It means so much. It means so much to be that man in your family.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dee, can we pray for you real quick before we let you off the air? God, we’re asking that you would bless this lady, and thank you for letting her call in, and thank you for her dad. Thank you for her family being strong people. And please give Charlie your number, and we want to send you the gift card. So make sure we get your number. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s Dee.
SPEAKER 06 :
Dave, how are you doing? God bless you, Dave. You’re on the air. Our phone lines are blowing up. We can’t keep up with everybody. Dave, how are you doing? I’m doing too good. How about you? Good, good. Tell us about it, man. We’re getting call after call. We can’t keep up with everybody. So quickly, Dave, tell us what you mean about a strong man.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, what we got here, I got a quote for you. It’s by Joseph Stalin. You heard of that guy?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. It says not the people that vote to count, it’s the people that count the votes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much, Dave.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s a good one. Dave, we appreciate you. That’s more true than anything else you’re going to hear today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes, sir. You are a strong man. We love that quote. We’ve got to let you off the phone. Our callers are blowing up. Okay, you have a good day, sir. Next caller. Um, hold on. Charlie, Charlie’s trying to catch up on everybody. So sorry for all our callers. We’re not trying to rush off the phone. It’s just, we only have four lines and all four lines are being taken up. Doug, how’s it going?
SPEAKER 04 :
Doing well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Tell us what you think about the traditional strong man. Tell us about it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the strong man, I, the previous caller hit it on the nail on the head. Uh, it’s leadership, which then can be provider and all the other things, uh, purveyor of wisdom and so on. But yeah, leadership would be the top one on my list. Wow. You mentioned Europe and the Queen a while ago. The Queen died three years ago.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s what I was about to say. I thought the Queen died three years ago, but I thought you were going to go somewhere with that.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, I just go off the cuff, Doug. I just say whatever’s on the top of my head.
SPEAKER 06 :
Doug, thank you for correcting us, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and most of Europe is currently being overrun by Muslims, so there’s over 12,000 in the UK alone have been put in jail or prison in the last few years for social media posts or just liking a post. Doug, let me ask you this.
SPEAKER 06 :
Do you think if Kamala would have became president, do you think it would have taken away from the men and their role in the House?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, we’d all be locked up.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my Jesus, that’s powerful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Doug, thank you so much. That would have been pure socialism. And we are in the good times now. So many of the younger people are the weak ones, but a lot of them are breaking out of that mold.
SPEAKER 06 :
currently so that’s good and charlie kirk didn’t know that his life was under threat really he recorded a message for his kids and family you can find it online jeez man you’re burying me here bro oh doug you’re shaming the actor in colorado thank you we love that stuff shame us up call doug we’re gonna have to let you go people have been calling our lines non-stop but please all our listeners um every week listen to us call in give us your insight your information um Guys, let’s do this. I think this is appropriate. If you want to call it, actually, we would love for you to call in at 303-477-5600. Quickly, guys, throw out a two-second prayer for all our listeners. Start with you. Just say something. Say something that would build them up.
SPEAKER 07 :
Heavenly Father, I pray that everybody who’s listening to you now on this radio show, that they continue to put you at the head of the household. They do their prayers at night and see that you are the provider of everything. Jehovah, Jireh, Lord, our provider.
SPEAKER 06 :
Amen. I’ll do it then, Arino. Lord, bless all of our listeners. The phone line’s lit up. This is a hot topic. We’ll go back to it next week because we couldn’t get to all the callers. So, Lord, bless every person who’s listening to us this week. And, Lord, please be the provider and the leader of my home and our home. Arino, you’re up.
SPEAKER 11 :
Lord, I just ask that you will bless everyone listening, lift their spirits, whatever they’re going through, get them through it. In Jesus’ name. Amen.
SPEAKER 06 :
And, D, if you still can hear us, we got your information. We’re going to get you the gift card. So just expect our call after this. Is that the spaghetti factory for her? Yes, yes. Or, yes. And people, remember, carve your pumpkin, go to our website, and if you post a picture of the coolest pumpkin, we’re going to get you two tickets to a haunted house.
SPEAKER 11 :
Which haunted house do we want to send them to, guys? How can you post? No one can post on our website. That would have to be the Facebook page.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, it’s the Facebook page. They can’t post on our website now? No, how can you? Because I set up the newsletter. So listen, when you go to theguysperspective.org, you click the newsletter button and it should send your information to one of us guys. And if something’s wrong with it, I’ll go tonight and try to tweak it. But the traditional man, real quickly, we got two minutes. I just want to say that the traditional man of all times is obviously Jesus. Would we agree on that?
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
At least I think so.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
I mean, because Jesus had a beard, right? There’s a lot of discussion about that. Are you talking about beards, man? I can’t grow a beard. Whoa, you got a beard? I almost got a beard. I think men look good with beards, bro. Let’s just be real. I mean, y’all are some good-looking guys. If people ever came to the radio, they’d be like, hey, man, you guys are… 10 plus models. 10 plus.
SPEAKER 07 :
In weight, maybe. Weight class.
SPEAKER 06 :
Guys, we want to tell all our listeners thank you every week. You can listen to us at 303-477-5600. It’s been a really… honor to be able to talk to y’all you know that uh uh the quote in the bible i don’t know if it’s a quote but it’s passage and it says the iron sharpest sharpeneth iron that happened today well doug sharpeneth heath he did doug doug right on doug for for just shutting the actor down that was it happens to me all the time callers call and shut me down all the time it’s a good thing has any caller set you down yet i don’t know actually yes because remember we talked about the cop and um
SPEAKER 11 :
No, that didn’t shut me down.
SPEAKER 06 :
That was just a disagreement.
SPEAKER 11 :
I still don’t agree.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank y’all so much. See y’all later.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home Being a man is what you make it, you can’t always live up to expectations You try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it And end up out of balance compromising situations as a good man
SPEAKER 09 :
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