Dive into an engaging discussion exploring the complexities of manhood in today’s society. Join the hosts as they tackle questions like whether the ‘traditional man’ still exists, and how the dynamics of masculinity have shifted over generations. Candid insights and lively debates uncover the realities faced by men, both as providers and partners in modern relationships.
SPEAKER 11 :
I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
SPEAKER 06 :
is what you make it you can’t always live up to expectations you try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations as a good man do what he should man give everything he has and do everything he could man you might find yourself feeling all alone inside a house you built that you don’t recognize as home
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 04 :
How’s it going everybody today? It’s KLZ 560 AM. You can always talk to the guys at 303-477-5600. A guy’s perspective. I’m going to slow that down. It’s 303-477-5600. We’re going to go around the room and introduce ourselves. We’ll start over here with Dre.
SPEAKER 12 :
Hey, this is Dre with Vance Tech. Number one business in Colorado for all your electrical needs.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh man, and this is Brock and…
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m the janitor, the janitor’s perspective.
SPEAKER 13 :
And yes, he does live at home. He plunged right in there, didn’t he? This is Heath Hine, the actor and the business owner of Clearview Windshield Repair, and we franchise now, too.
SPEAKER 04 :
And just to get into the topic, we’re running the same topic we did last week, back-to-back. Normally we don’t do that, but we got so many calls and so many people asking us to talk about this thing again. So we’re going to talk about does a traditional man or the strongman exist today?
SPEAKER 13 :
Of course he does. The strongman competition is still – isn’t that what – where they’re lifting like Volkswagen Beetles?
SPEAKER 04 :
That stuff is legit. I saw a video the other day on that, and those guys were taking like – Yeah, 250-pound things, and they had to throw them so high over these field goal things. Those dudes are legit, bro.
SPEAKER 13 :
They pull like semis, don’t they? Like, pull semis.
SPEAKER 12 :
What about their lifespan? I mean, did they die in their 50s or something like that? They’re massive, huh? Yeah, it’s crazy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think the traditional man is kind of… Kind of went away because of how expensive it is. Because you want to be the provider for the house, right? You want to pay the bills. But it’s gotten so expensive now. I don’t want to be a provider. That’s the traditional man, buddy. Lace up your boots in the morning. That’s the traditional man.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s coming down on you, man. Coming from the guy that lives at home with the mommy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Traditional man. Trust me.
SPEAKER 13 :
He knows what a man is. He’s been thinking about it.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’ve been thinking about traditional man all week. No, but no, serious. That is a traditional man. It goes out, works, and then comes home. But it’s gotten so expensive nowadays. Now the woman has to find a job and she has to pitch in. Does that kind of diminish you, though?
SPEAKER 12 :
Think about the rabbinical, I mean, the days of old, you know, in Leviticus and all that. A lot of that practice. They set you guys up or set men up to where they could afford a whole year once they got married to not work. And it’s not that way. You know, men were supposed to traditionally be the provider. Yeah. And those days probably are long gone. I mean, it’s not easy with like you’re saying, Brian. You know, there’s a lot of truth in what you got to say there. Well, when it’s.
SPEAKER 13 :
One of the oldest traditions and occupations was actually whoredom. Prostitute. They probably provided.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, they did. I was talking to a lady at my job. Do you know how much it costs for children care? Yeah, I do. It’s like you’re paying rent for child care for somebody to babysit your kid. How are you going to afford rent, health care? And child care.
SPEAKER 13 :
And groceries. Friends who have had children, they often have that discussion at home about if they’re even going to have the wife stay home because it makes more sense to stay home than it does to go out to work, make the money, and then pay for child care.
SPEAKER 04 :
well let me so the traditional man do you guys think that like because you guys are business owners do you think your kids should take over your business is that part of being a traditional man or is that just like whatever if they want to i mean i i’ve tried to set it up to where you know my sons can you know easily slide in and take over you know one of them’s gonna go in for an electrical engineering and
SPEAKER 13 :
Technically, as a man, my nephew works for me, so I don’t have any children. Remember, I had a vasectomy at 25, man. But I just didn’t want a progeny. Yeah, I’m trying to set people up, not just men, anybody who’s ready, willing to start their own business and be an entrepreneur. And it just so happens that my nephew’s one of them. And yes, I do want to leave a legacy. I think that is what we should do as men, is set people up for success.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because if you think about, like, how men have transitioned over time, basically, like, go back to, you know, go back 3,000 years from now, I guarantee a man’s not like he is today. You know what I’m saying? Like, the evolution of men, don’t you think an evolution of home has changed over time?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Like, you know, that No Kings rally, man. I was joking around with you. I could, like, dress up as a clown and I’d fit right in. I mean, guys are not the same. Men have drastically changed. Can you imagine fighting for our World War II for your country and that this is what you get?
SPEAKER 13 :
What if those guys are, like, anti-superheroes where, like, they have regular jobs and they’re providing for their families, but then they dress up and go out and do that crazy protesting?
SPEAKER 12 :
You know what? They’re driving Subarus, I can tell you that. What?
SPEAKER 04 :
Again, you can call us guys at 303-477-5600. I don’t drive a Subaru. You trying to say you’re not a man anymore?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I was saying I was a protester.
SPEAKER 04 :
You are a protester. No, I don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you are.
SPEAKER 04 :
So some qualities of like the traditional man, at least tell me if these qualities are still here. Amidst being wrong, is that just a traditional manner? Is that just men in general that admit they’re wrong?
SPEAKER 12 :
I feel like generally speaking, and Heath and I have talked about this, I will say stuff immediately, and then when I’m wrong, it’s like, oh, I should have had a filter on that. But you can’t take it back. Once it comes out, you can’t take it back. But you can rectify it and admit when you’re wrong. So, no, yeah, you can take it back. It’s not like I’m cussing it out or something like that. I’m just saying that there’s times where you’ve got to be able to do that, especially as a father. I think the craziest thing that I always heard was my own children thought I was perfect. And, you know, the reality is, who is? You know, there is not one death that’s perfect. And I’d like to at least appreciate that they can think that. But with that said, I’m realistic because I don’t want them that shut up fall. No, that, you know, I’m not perfect.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because the difference between the traditional man and the modern man from everything I’ve studied, this is the main difference. But sweet. Besides the modern man who’s the transgender who now has to sit on the toilet to pee versus stand. That’s the modern man, wow. No, no, no, no, no. I said the transgender part of the modern man. Those people are wacko. But the main difference between a traditional man, and tell me if you guys think this is true, traditional man or modern man is the ability to shut up and listen. The traditional man couldn’t do that. He ran his house with an iron fist. He, like Brian said, was a provider, laced up his boots. He went what he said went. But today, men have evolved to where they’re like, hey, she makes just as much as I do. She can provide for herself. Maybe I should just shut up and listen to what she has to say. What do you guys think about that? I don’t think that’s a good interpretation of the traditional man.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think it’s a bad interpretation of the modern man. Let’s think it’s the other way around. It’s a bad interpretation of the modern man. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, explain why.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because what you were saying is, you said the man, it’s evolved for the women to come into the household now, not the modern man. The modern man’s not allowing it to happen. It’s just, it’s by force it’s happening. Yeah. No, it’s not happening by force. Oh, I agree. Oh, it is. If you can’t provide for the family, it’s forcefully that you have your wife to go to work. What are you saying, bro?
SPEAKER 04 :
Women nowadays want to go to work, whether you make a million dollars or not.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, most women would be at home raising their kids, bro. I bet you if you did a survey, most women would stay at home and raise their kids.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, we’ll let the listeners answer this at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 04 :
Call in, Mom. Mom. Somebody call in. Mom, call in. Somebody call in and tell us, would your wife rather stay at home and raise kids, or would she rather make six figures a year?
SPEAKER 13 :
Man.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, of course. No, no, no. There’s no of course.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, hold on. We cannot sit there and say she’d rather stay home if she went to college this whole time and now she can get a six-, seven-figure job a year.
SPEAKER 13 :
Why – Well, let me ask this question. This is kind of like a turnabout. How about the women that you guys are all with, and I’ll include mine, do they hustle? Do they grind? Do they get it?
SPEAKER 12 :
Mine does.
SPEAKER 04 :
But hold on. Mine does. Okay, so you guys are all talking about grinding and hustling, right? That’s provision. And yes, yes, yes. I believe in the modern era, women have evolved as long as guys have evolved. And that’s what I’m saying. Don’t you think… Back in the day, rulers or kings or whoever ruled their house had the final say. But nowadays, it’s an equal playing field because the woman can make just as much as the guy.
SPEAKER 03 :
And with that equal playing field, divorce rates went up. Yeah, I agree with that. I don’t think so. I think it’s always been like that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you can’t say that without statistics, guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
I gave statistics last week. I gave you statistics. 50% of you married today are probably going to get divorced. That’s a stat. Today, not in the 50s.
SPEAKER 13 :
yeah they had women had nowhere to go in the 50s or in you know the wild wild well that’s what i’m saying women had nowhere to go so they had to rely on their their husband so the traditional men that’s what i’m saying had the final word yeah nowadays yeah but then it wasn’t wasn’t that kind of like authoritarian it was because the individual was sure was the breadwinner and they made money and so they could have to say over their house how it went and they ruled hard
SPEAKER 12 :
I think in World War II what ended up happening is things started to change because now you had Rosie the Riveter who jumped in the workforce, whereas before that in the 30s, 40s, 20s, et cetera, women were okay staying at home for the most part. It was up until World War II that changed the dynamics where women actually had to enter the workforce.
SPEAKER 13 :
Oh, yeah, because men went to war, and then that’s where all the women were in the workforce.
SPEAKER 03 :
And once that happened, it never changed.
SPEAKER 13 :
Never went back.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, you’re making a great point because if you look at, you know, pictures from old, women were always in dresses, but after the workforce, they started wearing pants. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because women were forced to do that. i’m telling you right now women back then if they could have had the option to go out and work because there was a bat men have evolved that was a dominant a male dominant society women wanted to go to work they wanted to make money but they couldn’t so we’re blaming pants i i can’t get past what bright hands well it’s when they started wearing pants
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, they started wearing pants.
SPEAKER 04 :
What does it matter if they wear pants or not?
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, it’s like who wears the pants in the family?
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right? And when they started wearing pants, then they started making the rules. They could change the temperature on the thermostat.
SPEAKER 04 :
Again, if anybody knows better than us, call at 303-477-5600. I just think the dynamics of the relationship changes.
SPEAKER 03 :
for the better or worse for worse because now that the woman is making money now you know her head maybe get a little bit higher or whatever so you want to keep the woman down no no no no no no wonder women think we’re a male chauvinist i’m not a male showing this thing listen i think men themselves have destroyed you know what what women perceive you to be in the relationship so if you’re if you’re the man of the house or a woman be submissive to you men have destroyed that because they’ve abused women in that scenario So if a woman is supposed to be submissive, do you guys have abused that for women to do what they want to do instead of using that correctly? What is the correct way? Like a man abusing a woman to be submissive is, you know, get my plate, get my dinner.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s the reason I say men have evolved. Men have evolved. Men are no longer like that. Oh, yeah, they are. No, they’re not. Men are today not like they were in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, they just hid it better. Okay. What do you mean? They hid any of the iniquities better. Everything was a facade. That’s what I’m saying. It’s the Stepford Wives. It was a facade, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know. I think there’s been a lot of social programming that’s happened throughout the decades that kind of moved us. Like in the 70s, you had the free love and that, things like that sort. Yet so many things that have changed the dynamics of what a definition of a man is, including up until the last four years ago where they couldn’t even define a woman. I mean, how crazy has this changed us? That’s what I’m saying.
SPEAKER 04 :
Men have evolved, whether they evolved for the better, where they can just shut up and actually listen to a woman, or they’re still in the Stone Age, or they now sit down and pee. Take your pick.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, let me ask you guys a quick question. All right, let’s call it a day. When you’re dating a person, woman or man, there is a fight for control of that relationship. Oh, there is, bro. I don’t care what you say. Whether you admit it or not. There is. Somebody wants control of that relationship. Is that what your relationship looks like currently, Brian? No, no. I just know it. I know it goes on. People want you under their thumb and do what they tell you.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s the old school of men.
SPEAKER 03 :
Men have evolved. Men have evolved. Women want you under their thumb to do whatever they want you to do.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think women classically know how to take control and dominance of a man. Covertly, though. Covertly. Sexually, right? Let’s just be real. I can’t show off my pecs and then just be like, oh, look at this. But a woman, no matter what she looks like.
SPEAKER 13 :
In the right state or in the right city, you could show off your pecs and get what you want.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, let me ask you, gratitude. What about gratitude? Do you think men show enough gratitude? No.
SPEAKER 12 :
I try. Honestly, I try to be thankful because the Bible says that, right? Even when my son, you know, was sick, I always used to, I was taught, you got to be thankful on all things. That’s tough.
SPEAKER 04 :
We do need to be grateful. Hey, Stacey. Hey, Stacey, you’re talking with the guys. Tell us what you think.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hi, guys.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hi, Stacey.
SPEAKER 07 :
I can’t even. I have so many thoughts about what you guys are saying. Tell us. Tell us. Hit us with all of it. If we’re wrong, tell us we’re wrong.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, last week they schooled the actor in Denver.
SPEAKER 07 :
Tell us what you think.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’re here to listen. We want to learn.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, first off, I’d like to say that I’ve been really hard on men.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, be hard on us, please.
SPEAKER 07 :
Full disclosure, I’ve been probably way harder on men than… you guys actually deserved. So I’m calling to offer myself up as a co-host. Oh, and the last thing I can remember that one of you said was, um, where we’re at today, kind of derived out of abuses from say around the fifties.
SPEAKER 04 :
That was, that was supposed truth. The truth. Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I think, I think there’s a lot of truth in that. And, um, Regarding the whole, I think what the gentleman said about abuses derived from the 50s kind of have us where we’re at today. I think also abuses towards the lesbian and gay community also have led to where we are today with, you know, the pendulum swinging too far with the transgender community. stuff and here’s I’d like to read you something from this guy that I did a little not a lot a little I was going to lend him a hand until I read some things that have been going on and didn’t get a response back from who I contacted about but it’s regarding the the how complicated the lesbian and gay rights movement was I think he has a PhD, and I’m not sure what his PhD is in. And like I said, everybody’s going to have to do their own research because it seems like there’s some more complexities to this. But he was talking about the gay and lesbian liberation movement from Stonewall. And he referenced, you guys might want to look into this, but he referenced Malcolm Michaels Jr. and Tony Rivera. And he says both were gay black men, sex workers, drag queens, and convicted felons. So I don’t know if that’s true, but I’m just going to give it to you and your listeners to look up and kind of ponder in the context of not only women, but the gay and lesbian liberation movement and how we ended up here and where do we go to kind of, I don’t know, make it back from here. Stacey, can we ask you this? His name… Let me give you his name and then I’ll answer a question if I can. Dr. Rich Guggenheim. So to kind of help us reverse from where we are with transgender without, you know, completely squashing them, you know, to kind of understand the history of how we got here.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 :
And how to have, you know, respect for, I guess, both traditional men and the folks who, you know… They call it all sorts of things that don’t fit into that.
SPEAKER 04 :
What’s your question? Do you think the stoic man of the 50s and 60s and the modern man today, do you think there’s a difference in their listening ability? You being a woman, do you feel like men listened better back then or today?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I will tell you that I wasn’t alive in the 50s. And the older I get, the more I understand. The older I get, the more I’m learning about that era. And so I can’t really speak. I mean, I guess I can, you know, in the context of my own parents and maybe their friends and neighbors and whatnot. But I’m not, you know, since I wasn’t alive, I don’t know. And then today, gosh, of the men I have known, do they listen? I’d have to give that some thought. I don’t know. Yes, ma’am. I guess I… I wouldn’t say no, you know, without really thinking about it. I don’t know. I’ll give it some thought.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, think about it, and next week when we’re on the air, call in and tell us what you think about it. Like, we’d really be interested because that’s one of the questions we’ve offered up to the listeners. And we’ll check it out. Stacey, thank you for calling. We’re looking to Google now.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Actually, I was looking it up while she was talking. You have a good afternoon.
SPEAKER 07 :
There’s some garbage with the GOP party, and there’s some garbage with, you know, election crap. So I don’t know if you guys might want to get him on and interview him about what went on with two different GOP parties in the state of Colorado and what went on with the apparently guilty
SPEAKER 04 :
admitting guilt and voting in two different elections in two different states so thank you so much thank you stacy thanks for listening so hey man she vindicated she goes along with what true says that all the abuse back then kind of leads up till today are we talking like through oppression yeah so what type of abuse are we considering like physical mental what are we
SPEAKER 12 :
I wish she would have elaborated on that.
SPEAKER 13 :
If I understood what she was saying, it was through, like, oppression, then the pendulum swings.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sure.
SPEAKER 13 :
Through oppression, the pendulum swings.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, you know what’s kind of odd, though, is when you look at the movement, what was the lady’s name? Her name was Stacey. No, no, no, the women’s movement. where basically they were really radicalized feminists. Oh, yeah. So like the feminist movement really, you know, talk about that pendulum swing. You know, there was a time where the feminist backlash. Yeah. Well, they basically went after men and said, you know, they’re this, that and the other. Right. So we want more women. But the irony is that I have a problem with this. We have transgender men trying to play in an unequal playing field against girls and women. And to me, just like J.K. Rowling, she’s a feminist, but she’s spoken out about this. And I think if you’re a true feminist for that, you should be able to also speak out. Because now, if there’s real oppression from men toward women, we can truly say that transgender men definitely…
SPEAKER 04 :
But if you look at what Stacey said, she said she’s really hard and biased on men is the first thing she started with saying. So it makes you wonder if the balance and confidence with a man is being taken away today by the modern man versus the traditional man. Well, what’s the modern man? To me, the modern man is one who he’s on the equal playing field as his wife. He listens now instead of rules with an iron fist. If she turns around and makes a million dollars a year instead of her staying home, yes, he can support her visions and dreams. Brock, you’ve really grown up because I remember there was a time. No, no, no, for sure. I’ve evolved over time, but times have also evolved. And if we listen to what Stacey said, is she against the balance and confidence that a man has with inside of himself? Because she’s hard against them. Probably.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or is she hard against men because of the way she’s been treated? No, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, we don’t know how she was treated.
SPEAKER 03 :
We can’t just assume that. But time tells you it was because men treated her bad. No, we do not know if a guy treated her bad.
SPEAKER 04 :
You cannot say that.
SPEAKER 03 :
You do not know that lady. Do you know how many women I have interviewed?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, hold on. Time out. How many women have you interviewed on air?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, hold on. I always wanted to be a marriage counselor. So I would always interview women and ask them, you know, questions.
SPEAKER 04 :
Give us a number. How many women have you interviewed?
SPEAKER 03 :
I would say 50, 60. Okay. Name six of them. Diane, Amy, Suzanne. Your mom and your aunt. Your mom and your aunt. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Those names sound familiar. People, if you want to give us a call at 303-477-5600, this is a deep topic. But the same scenario with them all was the same.
SPEAKER 12 :
The biggest difference between the way you think, Brian, is that I think you’ve been jaded, in my opinion, because of the fact that, you know, traditionally, I’m not trying to criticize your mom, but she’s been through three divorces. And it’s always been the man’s fault, according to your mother, correct? Two. So then that’s biases.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, both of them cheated on her. What are you saying? Both of them cheated on her.
SPEAKER 12 :
Now, did she cheat on him? No. Okay. She never cheated on him. Okay. But it’s always a man’s fault that this happened.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, when you cheat on your wife, it is.
SPEAKER 12 :
So was it man to man or was it man with a woman? One of the times they were cheating.
SPEAKER 03 :
Man to woman.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. So there you go. Women also participate fully and equally in these types of scenarios where they come to divide and break up marriages as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Okay. I agree with that. I totally agree with that.
SPEAKER 04 :
People, we’re going to continue this on the second half. You can call at 303-477-5600. We have one minute left. If somebody wants to call in and chime in super quick, call in. Because you made the comment that she seemed like she’s been hurt before. We don’t know that. We can’t just assume that. Actually, we could. How?
SPEAKER 13 :
It’s an inference, for sure. It is an inference, but have not we all been hurt before?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Have not we all been hurt?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
Not necessarily just by the opposite sex.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a true statement.
SPEAKER 13 :
But what if the opposite sex was the parent that hurt you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, wow. Right?
SPEAKER 13 :
So would that change your perspective on your mother if she hurt you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 13 :
No, it would change your perspective on women if your mother hurt you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Or if you were a woman and your dad was abusing you physically, sexually, mentally. Oh, yeah, you would have a bias statement against everything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, and what about the men that get these women pregnant that want nothing to do with the kid? Exactly. It goes on and on, bro. Don’t get me started today.
SPEAKER 04 :
That brings up a whole new topic. What about the woman who turns around and says she’s got her tubes tied, but she’s lied the whole time to that dude and she pops out a kid? Is that the same as a man saying he’s got a vasectomy and he hasn’t really and gets her pregnant? That’s a deception. It’s deceptive. It’s deceptive. We’ll talk to you all on the other side. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 11 :
I don’t expect you to understand. I just hope I can explain what it’s like to be a man. It’s a lonely road. And they don’t care about what you know. It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home.
SPEAKER 09 :
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SPEAKER 11 :
It’s not about how you feel, but what you provide inside that home.
SPEAKER 06 :
what you make it you can’t always live up to expectations you try to please everybody while you struggle so you fake it and end up out of balance compromising situations that’s a good
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real-life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 04 :
Give us a call. This is The Guy’s Perspective at 303-477-5600. This is KLZ 560. We’re talking about the strong man or the traditional or the modern man. And…
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, check this out. According to Esquire from 2023, apparently I’m considered a modern man. Okay, you fall into this. Yeah, I actually do, which I didn’t know.
SPEAKER 13 :
What are the points?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, one is they own a suit. I do own a suit. They wear it to bars, weddings, whatever. They get a mani-pedi. I don’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
I don’t. I’m not a modern man. I don’t get a mani-pedi.
SPEAKER 12 :
You’re stoned. Hey man, I’ve gotten a mani and a pedi. So, but it was just my woman though. You know, usually she goes the one that was like, do you want to get one? Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
So these are modern men.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Sends memes instead of flowers. You know, I send memes all the time. Fitness does core strength workout. I don’t do yoga, but I wouldn’t be opposed to yoga. It’s really good exercise.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re the typical modern man.
SPEAKER 13 :
How many more is on this list?
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. So let’s go through the room. And I’m not going to tell you if you line up as the modern man or the traditional man. All right. Okay. I’m going to ask each one of you guys this. And again, calling at 303-477-5600. We’ll start with Heath. Are you flexible and evolving or are you rigid and fixed? Flexible. Evolving. Flexible. So you’re part of the modern. Oh. Brian, are you… I’m mixed. Hold on. Are you varied and expressive or conservative and conforming? Both. You’re both. You’re modern. No, I’m both. I’m conservative and modern. I’m telling you you’re modern. Dre, are you suppressed and discouraged or encouraged and valued?
SPEAKER 1 :
Dang.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m both. So you’re the modern man also.
SPEAKER 13 :
What are you guys doing saying both?
SPEAKER 04 :
You don’t have to say both. You can say just one. Are you diverse and inclusive or traditional and a hierarchical ruler?
SPEAKER 13 :
I’m really diverse and inclusive.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, you’re a modern man. Hey, this school stuff ain’t lying. What about you? I’m a modern man. Ask yourself a question. Okay, share it equal, provider and protector. I’m both. I’m the modern man. Guys, the modern man has evolved. He no longer rules with an iron fist.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
Period. I think that’s foolishness too if you’re going to roll with an iron fist because is it effective? No, you can’t win. No, it’s not effective.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, it’s not. No, you’ll create enemies and people will come against you.
SPEAKER 12 :
And be resentful towards you. Yeah, yeah. Right? Whether they express the resentment to you directly or otherwise they express it through an affair, through flipping, giving you the finger as soon as you turn your back or whatever the case may be.
SPEAKER 04 :
But here’s the problem. The stoic man goes against all that, right? Okay. Because the stoic man emphasizes the importance of virtue wisdom and self-control of what he himself will do not what his home does he doesn’t use self-control so he’s resolute right he’s resolute right so the traditional man the stoic man says self-control is going to come from me like we talked about the other day if somebody’s going to come up to my wife what’s wrong with that There’s nothing wrong with it. We’re just trying to define what a traditional… Stoic is traditional.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, stoic is traditional. I’m a stoic traditional man. Did you just say, I’m the stoic janitor.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s super funny. Okay, recognize what you can and cannot control.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, absolutely, man.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do you think that’s like the core essence of a man is recognizing what he can and cannot?
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely. There’s circumstances and existential circumstances, things that we do have control over. You control the controllables. That’s all you can do is control the controllables.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I agree with that because in life, we probably have less control of more things than we wish. And, you know, men typically what we want to do is fix things, right? We’re considered the fixers. When a woman comes to you, what do they typically ask? They don’t want you to tell them what you should do or how you should have talked to, you know, your girlfriend or whatever the case is. Usually they just want to be heard. Men want to say, well, you should have done this. Maybe you should have done that.
SPEAKER 13 :
I recently became resolute in one thing. I suck at, I suck at doing things like, you know, mechanical things or around the house and everything. And obviously I’ve done this over the past year where I’ve done everything from like foundation and framing and all of that stuff. One thing that was always coming up was how angry and frustrated I would get in the presence of women uh because of my my inferiority complex not feeling like like feeling like i should be able to do this so here’s what i did just the other day wife was like hey um i need you to hang this tv i was like great you guys need to leave i was like i’ll hang the tv but you gotta get out
SPEAKER 05 :
So you just didn’t want her help?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, I’m resolute in that I know that I’m going to get frustrated at something, and then I’m going to snap because I feel inferior because I’m trying to do the best that I can with something.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re trying to do a man thing.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, trying to do a man thing. So I don’t know if that happens with other guys, man, but it happens with me, and it causes chaos.
SPEAKER 12 :
Has your wife made you feel that way?
SPEAKER 13 :
No, not made me feel that way. It’s all internalized by society. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Brian, what were you going to say? So that all brings us back to when I talked about wanting control. Okay. You just brought it up. You want to control things that you can’t. Oh, snap. You guys just said that I asked you a simple question about controlling the relationship, and he just asked you guys a question about wanting to control everything, and what about you not being able to control everything?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and I answered, yeah, we can’t control things. And Heath and I recognize that. How about you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Again, people call us at 303-477-5600. You’re listening to the guy’s perspective. Call in and tell us what’s up.
SPEAKER 13 :
I really do think that it probably matters to me, man. It makes me feel like either a good man or a bad man if I can’t perform in that arena of, like, building something. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the utilitarian approach or the utility approach, an act is good or morally right if it promotes happiness and bad or immorally wrong if it tends to produce pain. You see what I’m saying? So as society, the way men look at situations is generally it’s a good thing if it makes a lot of people happy, if it makes your whole environment happy, if it makes your – the people you live with happy, it’s probably going to make you happy. Like that saying, happy wife, happy life.
SPEAKER 12 :
Or happy spouse, happy house.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a true statement. You know what I’m saying? Truth Daddy, how’s it going?
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s going good. How about y’all fellas?
SPEAKER 04 :
How about it? Good, brother. Talk to us, Daddy.
SPEAKER 10 :
What’s going on, son?
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 04 :
Tell us, do you think the traditional man’s evolved quite a bit, or is it still just same-o, same-o?
SPEAKER 10 :
Overall, I don’t think the traditional man exists anymore today, because I think that’s things that were before the 80s and stuff like that, the 20s and 30s and 40s and 50s and 60s. Now, is there a little bit of traditional man in some people, like guys in their 50s and 60s going on these days? Yeah. But for the most part, it’s more of a modern man right now that listens to their wife, you know, agrees, talks it over, and stuff like that. That kind of stuff didn’t really happen back in the time. You can even see that in the Bible, you know, by seeing how many times they mention women, you know, by name. You know, it’s very few compared to all the men. It was a man’s world. It was man’s decisions back then. It’s not that case anymore these days.
SPEAKER 04 :
True. Thanks for calling in, man. We love hearing from you. Yeah, call back, Daddy. You have a good afternoon. Laters, buddy. He made a good point. If you think about the Bible, why don’t they really mention a woman’s name? That’s deep. No, they do.
SPEAKER 12 :
They mention Ruth. They mention that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but in comparison to guys, they don’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
Dorcas.
SPEAKER 04 :
If you think about it in comparison to guys, they don’t. I never thought about that till you just said that.
SPEAKER 12 :
So have we abdicated our role as men, though? Because traditionally, if you look at it in the Bible, you know, let’s just be real. God is considered in the Jewish terminology as a he, not a she. Even though spiritually there is no gender. But when you talk about what Jesus spoke of, it was always about the father, you know. All in masculine terms. We even have Latin, which has derivations of feminine and masculine.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, yeah. How many times God wanted to gather Israel like a mother hen gathers the under her wing. Um, so there are feminine aspects and attributes, but one of the things that I always use when, whenever people come at me with like either homosexuality, gay, lesbian, all these different types of relationships, the thing that I always bring up from the Bible is this, and I may have twisted scripture, but I think I got it right. And it’s that you neither know the, you neither know, uh, the scripture or the power of God, But for those that are given in marriage, but for those that inherit the afterlife, they’ll neither be married nor given in marriage. They’ll be made like the angels, therefore sexless.
SPEAKER 03 :
Do you think the modern man exists now because prayer was taken out of school?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, so you’re saying the traditional man’s no longer around.
SPEAKER 03 :
Traditional man, because traditional man religiously tells you it’s God, man, then woman, because the woman was taken from the man. The woman is there to be a man’s helper.
SPEAKER 13 :
Right.
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Help me. The woman is there to be your helpmate. She’s there to help you. And so the traditional man went away is because men abused these women who are supposed to help them.
SPEAKER 12 :
Did you know that? And I heard this.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was deep what he just said, guys.
SPEAKER 12 :
It is. But I heard this through a sermon. You know, when Jesus speaks to, you know, his mother, Mary, and calls him woman. A woman was not the way we call women, woman, you know. Oh. It was not derogatory. When Jesus said, woman, thy son, you know, talking about, you know, he marries other, you know, children. That term was a term of endearment. It was a term that, you know, rabbinically speaking, it had no anger in it, no malice in it, no spite. No spite. Yeah, it’s basically like calling a beautiful woman, a beautiful, you know, just with love and adoration. Whoa, man.
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Okay, well, and anybody who knows different than us, call at 303-477-5600. I’m Heath.
SPEAKER 13 :
I have a hypothetical. What if we men and maybe society have romanticized what it was to be a man back then? You know, through like television, through imagery. What about pornography?
SPEAKER 12 :
How has that affected men and the way we look at women? has deteriorated for sure absolutely i mean but but we’re now we’re talking about how we’re talking about some deep stuff right here because now you’ve sexualized and all they are is just you know they’re not objectified yeah oh for sure
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, so imagery. Imagery is important, right? So if imagery is important, then if what we have of the Christmases of old and the man cutting the turkey and the family around, are we not also maybe hypnotized by what that was? There had to have been. Absolutely had to have been just as much chaos, just as much philandering that everybody was doing back then because even in biblical, historical things, there were always troubles and trials, mess-ups in the family.
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If you’re 60, 70, 80, man, and we would love to get a 75-year-old on the phone, call at 303-477-5600. Tell us about what kind of traditions you had back then that us modern guys ain’t got today, because, you know, you guys are making good points. I mean, you’re talking about pornography. It’s it’s brought the woman’s character down. You’re talking about going back in the day. Do we as men really want those things back in our home?
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Do you think traditional men have destroyed? destroyed the traditional men themselves that evolved into the modern man. That’s a good question. If you’re a traditional man, it’s supposed to be God, man, then woman, right? But if the man isn’t seeking God, I love you, Bri.
SPEAKER 13 :
I love you, Bri.
SPEAKER 04 :
I love him because I love it. Let me ask you guys this question. If you were to put a thousand men in this room right now, how many of them do you think would have prayed today?
SPEAKER 03 :
Probably none, maybe one. That’s a deep question.
SPEAKER 13 :
There’s only four here now. How many of us prayed today? I did.
SPEAKER 05 :
I did. What?
SPEAKER 13 :
I did.
SPEAKER 04 :
Only the heathen didn’t.
SPEAKER 13 :
I spent six minutes. Only the heathen didn’t pray. A heathen actor.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, but if you think about it, no, he’s asking a good question. I mean, has the traditional man gone away because of… The way the dynamics of the home are today.
SPEAKER 13 :
But that’s why I’m saying I love you, Bri, because what you’re saying is that man was their own fall. And that could take you all the way back to Adam and Eve and how men always blame the woman. They’re like, woman, woman, woman problem. But no, man, he was right next to her.
SPEAKER 04 :
So who really caused the fall?
SPEAKER 13 :
Then let me hear you. Who really caused the fall then in the garden? There were two. It was doled out to one man of what they should and shouldn’t do. So you think the man is the one? He was told how to run the household, and he failed.
SPEAKER 14 :
All right. That is deep. We didn’t call up in school the actor. He hit us hard, bro.
SPEAKER 12 :
Adam failed. Oh, my God. That is deep. Every minister I know wants to just bash on the man and say, well, the reason why he failed is because he wasn’t doing his job. You know, realistically speaking, just like you said, if you look in the Bible, it says that they were both together. She did fall, but you know what? He really, both of them are supposed to help each other, right? She’s supposed to be the helpmate. They didn’t have that proper communication or anything like that. She obviously didn’t go to the man and say, well, you know, God told me this. No, he was stoic.
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He took a bite of the apple.
SPEAKER 12 :
He did it on his own. He was stoic.
SPEAKER 13 :
He didn’t say nothing. He didn’t tattle. He didn’t go and tattle to God.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, my goodness. My wife’s out there eating that apple. Please call at 303-477-56. This is deep. We went all the way back to the guard. Man, the actor in Brian is trying to come in.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what I think? I believe with all that’s inside of me that God created women to be submissive to their husbands regardless. Disagree. No, I believe. I believe. Hold on. Okay, I’m listening. I believe it wholeheartedly that women were created that way, but men have abused it so bad that women want nothing to do with it. I guarantee it, bro.
SPEAKER 04 :
So at the end of the day, you want a slave as a woman. I didn’t say a slave.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, hey, we’re going to use the word submissive. We’re going to use the word submissive. A submissive woman isn’t a slave. He’s going to get hate mail. How do you know?
SPEAKER 12 :
What do you mean? Yeah, what is submissive?
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s your definition? Define submissive to us. Like elaborate. The man has the last word of what should happen to your family. Back to what we’re saying. I’m not telling you to be a slave and do everything. I’m telling you to do.
SPEAKER 12 :
And how is that working for you in your relationship?
SPEAKER 04 :
But no, he’s making an interesting point. That’s the difference between the traditional man and the new day man. The traditional man had that final word like we said in our first episode. Today, he does not have that final word because she may very well make million dollars every five years.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m going to ask you a question. Are you going to ask your girl? I think it’s an equal plan. I’m telling you. I’m asking you a question. of the household?
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s what I was going to ask.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m going to answer it. Does your woman want you to be the leader? I don’t think she cares. No, no, no. Hold on. I think in today, 2025, you guys are even. If a guy came up against your family, she’s going to be looking towards you to protect the house.
SPEAKER 03 :
Can I finish?
SPEAKER 04 :
Can I finish?
SPEAKER 03 :
Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
okay no she is not because heath made a good comment last week he said it sounded like someone was in the house he sent his wife down there his wife went downstairs hold on there is now ufc women that could probably walk in this room and knock all of us out oh yeah let’s just be real dude yeah women are now i don’t want to go around with ronda rousey yeah But you see what I’m saying? Don’t own the same playing field. You asked me that. I answered. Let me ask you this. Should you be submissive to her if she makes $100,000 a year? Or no, $500,000 a year more than you? Of course not. She doesn’t need you. She doesn’t. She needs me to have kids. She can find any dude to do that when she’s making $400,000 a year. Okay, but your thinking is so backwards.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let me finish. Hold on.
SPEAKER 04 :
I didn’t get to finish my point. You just turned around and said that if she makes more money than you, that she needs you. If she has her own house, her own car, her own life, her own friends, her own community, do you really think she needs you if you ain’t got no bucks?
SPEAKER 12 :
Nah. You know what? And truth be told, if you had a daughter, would you want that daughter to be reliant on a man? Or do you want her to be self-sufficient in the event that this marriage doesn’t fail? Because you even threw out a stat that 50% of marriages fail.
SPEAKER 03 :
I totally agree with that. But you’re thinking your logic behind it. If an intruder came into your house with a gun, you’re going to send your wife down there. He did. He did. I don’t care, bro. The logic behind it’s the stupidest thing. If somebody came into my house, I am not telling my wife to go down. No, no, no. You’re telling your mom to go down. Most people. Oh, wife.
SPEAKER 04 :
The intruder’s here to maybe try to have. Most people. Heath, tell your story again.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, in short, I was building the house and we had hundreds of a hundred thousand dollars or better into it. And we had a bunch of equipment over there, like, you know, things that are expensive. And I went over to the house to lock it up and I heard like a boom or a bang upstairs and I was like. No, I’m closing the door. So I closed the door and left. And I went home to have dinner with my wife. And I said, I told her, I was like, yeah, you know, I heard some. She said, did you lock the door up? And I was like, yeah, after I heard some bang or boom upstairs. She said, did you check it out? I said, no. She grabbed her taser and her light and went over there. And I went with her.
SPEAKER 04 :
So you think it’s crazy, but we now heard a story from one of the guys in the show saying that, hey, if your woman’s tougher, let her go in.
SPEAKER 12 :
Let her go in, man. You first, baby.
SPEAKER 04 :
Guys, women are cops nowadays. See, I’m an equal opportunity. And if anybody knows more, just call at 303-477-5600. Another question I want to ask you guys is… When does honor and valor of a man take place? Or is that gone away with?
SPEAKER 12 :
So the saddest part is I think men are demonized a lot, but then people fail to realize that it also did take a lot of women to ruin good men. Even my wife will say that about my ex. I was a really good man. And let’s just be real. I’m recovering, man. My wife has had to endure just the PTSD, if you will, from my ex. I’ve always been a good man. Always been a good man. And that’s what we value, right? I think that’s intrinsic.
SPEAKER 13 :
Honor, integrity, follow through, helping out. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
What do you say about the honor and valor part of it? Faithful, all that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes. I don’t have any.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is it required to be a man? Honor and valor?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah, of course honor because you need integrity and you need honesty in your relationship, of course. Yeah. Of course. Well, in life. You’ve got to have honor. You’ve got to be known as, you know.
SPEAKER 13 :
Is your handshake? Brian’s handshake. Does your handshake mean something?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, that’s a deep question right there. Yeah, of course. And now that you’re bringing that back, that’s traditional, man. The handshake was back in the day.
SPEAKER 13 :
It doesn’t have to be a lawyer and written paper signed. It doesn’t have to be that. It’s just a handshake. You say you’re going to be somewhere or you’re going to give somebody something, handshake doesn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you show up. You’re opening a can of worms right there. And that’s traditional, man.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s me too. Let’s bring him back, boys.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I agree with both you guys. Society needs to bring that back, man. If you shake some dude’s hand and say, hey, man, I’m going to be there next week and help you mow your lawn, you probably ought to do it unless an emergency comes up. And if an emergency does come up, call the person and say, hey, you can’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
If you can’t do it, then just be real and say you can’t do it. I’m sorry. You know, and I think men, I hear that a lot.
SPEAKER 13 :
That’s manning up, right? You man up to it. It’s like, oh, I promised this and I have to break the promise. What’s it cost to get out of this promise?
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s the first rule of like being a traditional man is keep promise. Don’t overcommit. But people hate it. You know how people call you up and they’re like, hey, can you do this? Can you do that? And you’re like, no, no, no, no, no, I can’t. It rubs them the wrong way. But at the end of the day, I think they respect that.
SPEAKER 12 :
They do because it’s a boundary. At least you’ve established that. Sometimes we allow people to walk past our boundaries, and then we’re the ones that get upset. We’re the ones that burn out. We’re the ones that basically are so tired we don’t even take care of our own families or ourselves. So sometimes you’ve got to be able to say, no, I can’t do it.
SPEAKER 13 :
Because of overcommitment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. How much does that have to do with working and just being overly tired? Well, no, not just because I tell you I’m going to do something. Yeah, in my heart, I want to do it. But, you know, 40 hours of work, you know. Well, then that’s why you got to think about it.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m so tired. That’s what Jesus even said. Jesus basically said, you got to count the cost on these things. But doesn’t the Lord also say that your days be days and your days be days?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes. Doesn’t he say that? He does say that. And we’ve got a few minutes left. Somebody calling at 303-477-5600. I think… Guys, I would have to say that the traditional man is coming gone, guys. I don’t think it’s here anymore.
SPEAKER 12 :
But see, the crazy thing is I feel like in this, you know, broadcast, you’ve kind of demonized a traditional man, in my opinion. Does that sound fair?
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I… I don’t think I’ve demonized them. I just think that it’s gone. So I don’t think any of us really know what it’s like to be a traditional man like our parents were.
SPEAKER 13 :
In evolving, though, evolving should get better, right? Not devolving, right? So we should be getting better at this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. But see, back then in the 50s, like Stacey had said, I wasn’t around in the 50s. However, with that said, were women okay with that role that men played? Was the majority of women okay with that role that men played in the 50s? That’s what has to be broken down.
SPEAKER 13 :
Or then, like Stacey, did they have to be okay with that role? Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because there’s some men forced to exactly there. There’s men that do not want to fill that role. They don’t want to move away from their mama’s house. They don’t want to, you know, know what it’s like to pay bills, you know, and support a family, things like that, you know.
SPEAKER 04 :
We got one minute left, people. God, man, this topic is just so good. It’s a deep one. It is because it gets to the heart of our nation and what’s really happening. Because last week I asked a question, and I’ll ask our listeners, just kind of keep it on your mind. If Kamala would have became president, does that take away from us as men? I would say yes.
SPEAKER 12 :
I think she would literally take stuff from men in general. You know, like laws would be imposed upon us forcibly.
SPEAKER 13 :
But would you rise to the occasion?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I’d wait four years, just like I did with Biden.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, everybody, for calling in and listening. This is The Guys Respective. You can always go to our website. You can look up The Guys Respective 5 at gmail.com. Don’t forget, it’s on Spotify. Yes, every week from 2 to 3, 303-477-5600. Y’all have a good afternoon. And Apple. I don’t expect you to understand.
SPEAKER 11 :
I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man It’s a lonely road And they don’t care about what you know It’s not about how you feel But what you provide inside that home
SPEAKER 09 :
The views and opinions expressed on KLZ 560 are those of the speaker and do not necessarily reflect those of Crawford Broadcasting, the station, management, employees, associates, or advertisers. KLZ 560 is a Crawford Broadcasting God and country station.
