In this episode of A Guy’s Perspective, we dive into the multifaceted world of government assistance programs, focusing on the impacts of recent policy changes surrounding the SNAP program. Our hosts share personal insights and experiences, comparing and contrasting how these governmental decisions affect various segments of the population differently. Alongside, they provide a candid discussion about the societal perceptions of those who rely on these assistance programs and the prevalence of fraud within the system.
SPEAKER 16 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
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SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, this is Andre, a local business owner as well. This is Brock.
SPEAKER 05 :
This is the truth, local janitor.
SPEAKER 07 :
We want to give a shout out to Heath, the actor in Colorado. He’s in Texas right now trying to start another part of his business out there. So we wish him some luck. But let’s get into the show today. We’re going to talk about this whole government taking away people’s snapper food assistant. What do you guys think about that?
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s rough. I don’t know. It’s pretty sad because these judges are forcing Donald Trump to supposedly figure it out, make some money. How come these judges don’t go to the House and the Senate and say, figure it out. You guys will mediate. Think about it. When you go to family court… Usually, they want you to mediate before you even go to court. And then they say, well, you will figure it out through mediation. And if you can’t do the mediation, then we’ll go to court. How come a judge doesn’t do that to what’s happening in Washington?
SPEAKER 05 :
This is ridiculous. Think about how many people rely on food stamps. Like what, 42 million people? Yep.
SPEAKER 08 :
42 million. 42 million.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s a lot of people, man. Yeah. That is a lot.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s according to CNN. I did some studies on this, and there’s a whole lot of people needing some food.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do you think this is more than a shutdown of snaps, or do you think they’re trying to keep the government shut down because they don’t like Trump?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think there is a Trump derangement syndrome, you know, where the Democrats are, you know, not all Democrats.
SPEAKER 05 :
Like if they’re trying to make Trump look bad, you know what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think they’re willing to tank the economy just to, you know, destroy one person they can’t stand, you know?
SPEAKER 05 :
Like I’ve never seen a party hate another president so bad.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Like I don’t, I agree, I’m not political at all. Sure. No, no, I’m on, so I’m on the outside looking in because I’m non-political. But I would say I think Trump has done good and I think Trump has done bad. I’m on both sides of the fence. I think he’s done really good with peace talks in the Middle East. I mean, he’s done things, you know, no one else has been able to do. No other president. He should win a Nobel Peace Prize for that. But on the other side of the fence, I do not agree with what he’s doing with Trump. you know, immigration and kicking these people out. They’re here. You know, let them stay. No, indeed not. I would stop. No, indeed not. Yes, bro. My side of the fence is, okay, they made it. They got across. Okay, whatever. Shut it down now, though. You know, you got to make it a little harder for them to get by now. You know what I’m saying? That’s my side.
SPEAKER 08 :
Reno, go ahead.
SPEAKER 12 :
I completely disagree with that. There’s people who came over here to this country and they did it the right way. Yep. And they, you know, people come over here illegally and they get more benefits than the…
SPEAKER 08 :
They’re not citizens, dude.
SPEAKER 12 :
They’re not citizens.
SPEAKER 08 :
I disagree with that. Hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER 12 :
One at a time. I don’t agree with just open the borders and let everyone come and give them benefits. That’s basically what you said. They got here, so let them stay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Andre? If they don’t belong here, boot them out. So you can disagree all you want, but the problem is that if the other countries in the world have the same policy that we as the United States have, which is you just can’t go over to Mexico or Germany or Japan and vote and run off of their system, they’re starting to even say, nope, enough’s enough. They’re putting the hatchet on it. The UN is what really created this influx, and then a one-world government system that really wants to move toward a new world order coined by President Bush Sr. The problem is that you have to have affordability, and coming from you, Brian, you don’t have any kids. You don’t have any true responsibilities. I mean, even if any listener out there, you know, if you’re if you’re buying a house, renting a house, you’ve seen the market get so impossible, darn near impossible to buy a house or even to create a budget enough because inflation has hit the highest. It’s been since I think in my from my understanding for quite a while since Jimmy Carter last under the Biden administration, it’s went up. It’s starting to go down again. We can’t sustain this because you know who becomes more rich and more powerful? It’s not the people on food stamps by any means, and it’s not the middle class. But I’ll tell you what, if you’re in politics or you’re a crony or you do something that is able to be influenced and influence politics, it’s amazing how these people go into six-figure and they come out multimillionaires or have never owned a business, created a business, and now they’re telling us how to
SPEAKER 05 :
you know maintain or create a business no that’s good well i just well i mean out of the people that is being shut down with food stamps sure i mean how many people are using fraud in it i mean how many of those people you know aren’t selling their food stamps to get drugs or pay rent or whatever you know whatever it may be how much you know are the food stamps been given are they actually using it towards food great i would say what one two million of the people so right now according to like
SPEAKER 07 :
Children younger than 5 use 11.1%. Children ages 5 to 17 use 27.7%. Adult ages 18 to 59 use 41.6%. And adults ages 60 and over use 19.5%. So basically the demographics is people that are between 18 and 59 are mostly the ones on food stamps. So I guess the question is this. You can’t afford to have kids. Why are you having them?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I agree with that, too. But, you know, there’s a lot of people that I know how to basically it’s a generational, not a curse per se. But once they get into the system, their mom tells them how to utilize the system. Their grandma has taught them. And I’m not kidding. I can tell you from an inside perspective because of where I used to work. I used to see the fraud. I used to work in a quasi municipal area that was both funded federally and locally.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 08 :
And, you know, privately funded as well. And you would not believe that. The people that would roll in in their Hummers, but yet were on SNAP, would live under government assistance, where at one time rent was zero, and then 25, and then all of a sudden anybody can get into that bracket. It’s the biggest, in my opinion, one of the biggest scams out there.
SPEAKER 12 :
Reno. My mom used to work in the… the food stamp office so oh really yes wow i’ve i’ve heard the stories and i’ve seen it just like uh andre is saying there’s a a lot of a lot of people on the benefits that You know, driving around in brand new Cadillacs and different things. And politicians. But also, when, you know, a lot of us learn from example. And if that’s the example to set forth in your household to live off of benefits, then you are passing that down to your children, whether you want to or not. Some people get in that mindset, and if they make too much money, then the benefits go away. So they want to stay within that realm or hide their income.
SPEAKER 08 :
And to me, that’s not really passing it down. That’s that’s teaching how to fraudulently manipulate the government so that way other people can pay for your food. There’s people that, you know, according to Donald Trump and, you know, I think everybody that listens to this, we’ve heard about people that are on food stamp that are physically going out there landscaping, doing all these moving companies or whatever the case may be. living on food stamps, you know, but yet they’re driving brand new trucks or, you know, about $50,000, $75,000 trucks.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, in general, a household qualifies for this program if it has a gross monthly income at or below 130% of the federal poverty level as well as a net monthly income at or above 100% of the federal poverty level. So what that comes out to is… Basically, anybody who makes $3,007 gross monthly or their net income is $2,313. You’re not going to live on that, guys. Brian.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, I hear all the stories that you guys are talking about, and I would probably probably be 100 percent correct. That was happening, you know, a while back. But since times have changed so bad, I mean, they’re probably actually using the food stamps now to help their families because rate is so high and the bills and, you know, grocery bill is so expensive nowadays. I would say that’s been reduced a whole lot. Would you agree? Oh, Reno.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t know about that.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Fraud is fraud. If it’s happening then… It’s probably happening now. I’m sure it’s happening now. It happened… I’m not going to say who it was, but they were taking their food stamp money and they were funding their catering business. So they were buying food for their catering business to run their business. And, you know, that’s as fraudulent as you can get.
SPEAKER 01 :
For sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, I’ve seen it in construction. Guys get food stamps. They buy food to go make burritos and sell them on the job sites.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah. Yeah, another thing, too. So roughly that’s about $2,900, right? Right. Yeah. Let’s just be real. A lot of people know how to subvert that by living in one household, but under four or one roof, but maybe four different families. So, you know, where are the benefits going? Because now they combined all those benefits because each family is getting it. you know let’s consider the fraud activity that happens with the irs how people are utilizing you know basically sending in a tax return under your name and getting a refund when you never at once sign you know off on that tax return that there’s a lot of fraud going on yeah but but in the same sense look at a single parent because most single parents are on food stamps if their income is low you’re probably going to do what you have to do for the sake of your kids and make sure they eat
SPEAKER 07 :
Here’s another question I want to ask you guys. No, no, no. Let’s stay right there. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
Let’s stay right there. After I had divorced, I had custody of all three of my children, one with special needs. My ex just depleted our finances to the point where both attorneys were basically saying, hey, you know what? This is a lost cause. My attorney kept telling that attorney, there’s not enough money. You’re not going to get anything out of it. And eventually my ex-wife gave me the kids. I realized I was in a situation where I needed to get on food stamps quick because I didn’t know if I was going to be able to make it. The houses were gone. Any income was decimated, et cetera. I got on food stamps. I only got for three boys. Three boys. I only got $125 a month. You tell me how that worked for me.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s not working for you. And it didn’t. Before you guys continue, call at 303-477-5600 and tell us your side of this.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, along those same lines, I was a single parent, two kids, and I just didn’t need, well, I probably could have used it. I mean, thinking back of the struggles of daycare and all that stuff. I never tried to get assistance. I didn’t know if it was available to me, but I wasn’t, you know, my parents were never on assistance, so I didn’t even think it was available.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think, too, it’s also about gender, too. Oh, for sure. Me as a male, I was only getting $125-ish a month. If I came in, and this may sound offensive to you, but it’s reality. If I came in as a single mother with three children, I probably would have made like $1,200 in SNAP benefits alone. I mean, I know we’re delving off the subject, but I think what’s happening right now is this is exposing how much fraud. And unfortunately, those that do need it, well, they’ll get their back pay. You know, they will.
SPEAKER 07 :
But the problem with what’s happening is. Of course, there’s fraud and there’s all this other stuff going on. But I think really who it’s affecting are kids. Because there’s so many kids that depend on their parents filling their cupboards with groceries. Agreed. And now they can’t do it. So I guess the question I would ask is, if this continues to go on for another month, like let’s say it does, how many kids are going to be malnutritioned because they’re not going to be able to have… And hold on, before you guys… Should food stamps ever be used for junk food or healthy food? So we’re going to combine those two together because they’re good questions, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, different people define that differently.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, how would you define junk food versus healthy food?
SPEAKER 12 :
Because that’s what food stamps are for. Well, to me, it’s everything with high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated oils, all the stuff that they’re trying to force on you just in regular foods. Healthy food to me would be organic.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 12 :
But, you know, not everyone has that same viewpoint. Okay. So your healthy and my healthy could be two completely different subjects, two completely different things.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, it’s just because when I think about the SNAP program and I think about kids, if that’s what it’s there for is the betterment of the kids, shouldn’t we be feeding them healthier?
SPEAKER 08 :
You know, I do agree. We do need to be feeding them healthier because like RFK Jr. and the Trump administration, MAHA and MAGA, they pretty much laid it out. You know, when you’re not feeding children or adults for that matter, because let’s just be real, the majority of the stat, according to CNN, shows that it’s the adult generation that is consuming most of the SNAP benefits, not the children. But with that said, when you start to feed people unhealthy diets, which we’re getting and such with dyes, etc., Then now you’ve created another industrial market, you know, for, you know, all this new weight loss programs, all these diabetes, etc. Never before in decades have we been so unhealthy. And that’s why Maha, the Maha movement has come in with RFK Jr.,
SPEAKER 05 :
But that starts down a different avenue because- No, it’s all part of SNAP. No, because that would start with fast food chains. I mean, it starts there. Most kids want McDonald’s. You can’t get fast food. I know that.
SPEAKER 08 :
I think you can.
SPEAKER 12 :
Can you?
SPEAKER 08 :
I think so. I think on a few restaurants I’ve seen, they-
SPEAKER 07 :
I know the pizza place accepts EBT. Well, that’s like Papa Murphy’s. Papa Murphy’s.
SPEAKER 05 :
But what I’m saying is you guys are talking about feeding your kids healthy or non-healthy, but I don’t think that has any to do with snapping because it all starts from McDonald’s. You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no, because this is how I think. If you’re going to give me, let’s say, $1,000 a month in food, The reason I ask this question is because as I was researching it, I asked the question, what was really SNAP intended for? Was it for kids to have healthy meals or junk meals? And I saw a person post a video. She was like, my kids got their snacks. Yeah, she was like, they got my snacks. They got their sodas. And I disagree with that. It’s for the betterment of the kid, not for… I agree with you because…
SPEAKER 12 :
My opinion is when you feed a kid full of junk and he’s getting obese and gaining weight, my opinion is that’s child abuse. I agree with him.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, wow. And think about the ADHD and everything else. Call us at 303-477-5600. You’re hitting on a good point. When you consume junk food, do you think it messes with kids’ health?
SPEAKER 05 :
yeah biological yeah but what i was trying to say is that that all starts because most children are eating fast food how many how many kids want it but i don’t think snap snap doesn’t go to fast food right that’s not what i’m saying bro i don’t then i’m confused i’m saying when you’re feeding your kid fast food the bad eating habits start So then you’re going to use your EBT to get junk food because it’s already with the fast food. That’s what I’m saying. For sure. Fast food restaurants on every corner. If you’re already eating bad, it just starts bad with the E. That’s the question I asked.
SPEAKER 07 :
Was EBT ever initially set up for bad foods to be bought for kids, or was it supposed to be healthy? I see what you’re saying now. McDonald’s in the whole nine yards is junk food, but shouldn’t parents make conscious decisions when they’re feeding their kids?
SPEAKER 08 :
I agree with it should be the parent’s responsibility. But I think once you start getting generational, again, I hate to say it. I’ve been jaded by the viewpoint that there are people that live with their mom or dad and they’re still collecting SNAP. And they have so much more food benefits that they can actually buy other people food that they’re literally selling it because they don’t make they don’t have that. You know, you use it or lose it. Right. Well, it accrues. But if you eventually you start to lose it. So to answer your question, it accrues. Yeah. So for people that have like maybe $1,000 in SNAP benefits, if you’ve used only $500, it’ll roll over into this month. So you’ll get a $1,500 or whatever pending the shutdown changes. But with that said, McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, KFC, et cetera, Popeye’s, these establishments actually accept food SNAP benefits. Pizza, Popeye’s, Subway, Taco Bell.
SPEAKER 05 :
Really?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, they do. Wow. I did not know that.
SPEAKER 05 :
I did not know that at all. But you guys are sitting here talking about, you know, shouldn’t the kids eat more healthier? How many more of the adults or the parents are eating bad themselves? I agree. I agree with that. Do you know how many people are dying of heart disease? Yes. How many people with heart attacks? I mean, it’s so common. But that’s what I’m saying.
SPEAKER 07 :
Was SNAP ever intended for that or was it intended for healthy foods?
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s a tendency to eat, period. It doesn’t matter.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no. I disagree with that because if you turn around and you get $1,000 and all you do is buy junk food and you’re not feeding these kids healthy, you’re just continuing to the problem.
SPEAKER 12 :
So… Going off of what Brian was saying, I’ve always said this, and I just think that it’s systemic. They want us systemically sick. That’s why they’re feeding us. That’s why this food is readily available. That’s why there’s a fast food. There’s multiple fast food spots on every corner. Everything that’s accessible that you could get is at a lower price point in the grocery stores. And then you go to the health food stores and you have to pay more for health food. Also, some countries don’t even have health food stores because their food is already healthy.
SPEAKER 07 :
God, this is really good, guys. Call us at 303-477-5600, Andre.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I was going to say pretty much the same thing, but with that said.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, I want to say this. Was food stamps ever intended to be a long-term goal for a family? Why do some people stay on it so long?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes and no. I mean, people that have a disability, there is a certain thing where dietary requirements need to be met for that disability. So a lot of disabled, which according to CNN is 10% of families that have a disability are receiving SNAP benefits, just 10%. That’s still pretty major, though. But with that said, it is meant for short term. You know, that’s more of a Republican viewpoint, but a Democrat viewpoint. is you know we’ll give you enough to get you out of your situation but a democrat viewpoint is well controlled through power in my opinion they used to be the top you know people that would outcry and say you know what let’s do something for the children and then it changed somewhere we’re not the same when did america get to the place where 42 million people were on food stamps i think we’re the check this out guys 24 we’re the greatest nation on the planet and we got
SPEAKER 07 :
42 million people needing assistance from the government.
SPEAKER 12 :
How did that happen? Some countries don’t have assistance.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, okay, so do you think Americans should have assistance?
SPEAKER 12 :
Do you think we should, really? I think it’s a benefit to those who truly need it, but I also think it’s a benefit when there is none because you either… You either sink or swim.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, hold on. I’ll ask all three of you guys. I’ll ask all three of you. No, no, no. We’ll start with Brian. It is good. What puts you in the category of needing it? Let’s go down that road because we’re not talking about that. What puts you in the category of needing food assistance?
SPEAKER 05 :
When all your money is going towards rent. Oh, that’s a good one. You have no money for food. That’s a good one. Look, it’s not meant for people to stay on it. But when you’re getting cost of living raises and the cost of living raises at your job, do not accumulate to what your rent’s going up on, you know what I’m saying? Their cost of living raise that they’re giving you is not the same of how much the cost of living is going up. Let’s be real. $0.80 raise, that’s not cost of living raise.
SPEAKER 08 :
So check this out. So I did kind of look this up. So food stamp or SNAP benefits actually went up from roughly 28% in the Great Recession time, 2008 to 2013. Then 2014 to 19, it jumped to 47.6. Believe it or not, during COVID-19, it went down to 35. I would think that the reason why 2020 went down is because there was little flow of legal immigration. And then all of a sudden after that, it spiked back up to the 40 percentile again. Wow.
SPEAKER 12 :
So to go back to what Brian was saying, everyone’s, to me, everyone’s economy is your personal economy. So you do things in life to create. To create your economy. So if I wanted to make a certain amount of money, then that’s the field I’ll be in. But there’s also things like people start out in a certain field that they want to be in. And then life happens.
SPEAKER 08 :
Someone gets pregnant.
SPEAKER 12 :
Someone dies in their life so they can’t continue. So there’s disabilities. Yeah, disabilities. But I think it’s your economy is your personal economy. But there’s, I mean, life happens.
SPEAKER 07 :
And on the other side, if you know more than us, call at 303-477-5600. We’d like to hear from people. I mean, you didn’t answer the question, though, Andre. It’s when are you in a category to where you need it?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I mean, just like what Reno said, you know, there’s life happens. You know, when I needed it and I was appreciative of it, I only stayed on for maybe like three months. And that was after your divorce? Right after my divorce. Everything was decimated. I gained full custody. and of all my children. So I was forced to. But when I realized I was only getting $125, $150, I can’t remember what it was, maybe $130. I mean, what do you buy with that, right? Like Brian was alluding to, the cheapest foods out there are the junk foods. If I wanted to buy something that was more premium, like I had a pretty healthy diet, right? We used to run, we used to do all these things. All the time. As much as I could. And that means to maintain a good health, you have to have a healthy habit of eating. Well, Snap didn’t cover none of that, but I do know families. But check this out. I know families that do utilize Snap today, and they live at home with their mom that has had a house that’s been paid off. So the mortgage has been paid. They’re making over $1,000. And this is, you know, it’s a little bit of conjecture because I’m receiving it from, you know, a third person point of view. But, you know, I hear that, and I’ve seen it in my old work.
SPEAKER 07 :
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How’s everybody doing this afternoon? This is The Guy’s Perspective on KLZ 560 AM. You can reach The Guy’s at… 303-477-5600. And we’re talking about like SNAP and welfare and assistance and should it be used for healthy food or how long it’s supposed to be used for.
SPEAKER 08 :
So check this out. Brian, we’ve already established that a lot of major restaurants actually do accept SNAP benefits. Also with that said, you know, people that actually go to these restaurants, they don’t have to prepare the food. They don’t have to do anything. And at one time, McDonald’s was pretty stinking affordable. Let’s just be real.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, yeah. It’s definitely went up.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s went up. Yeah. And if you shop at McDonald’s. But you know what? We’ve been in a lot of ways programmed to say, oh, it’s just easy. I’ll just grab a bite to eat for the kids, for me, for the wife, whatever the case may be. And Snap is accepting that. Well, how much more does it cost for a company like McDonald’s, Burger King, et cetera, to sell you that food than to prepare your own food through Snap?
SPEAKER 07 :
just a thought um yeah yeah it’s it’s i i think it’s absolutely unreal because yeah you know um so in 2028 um i’m at 2025 october 28th usa today posted an article who will be impacted by food stamps running out snap recipients by the numbers snap supplemental nutritional assistant program um i think it’s i think it’s amazing that that there’s so many people that are going to be affected by this in in countless ways and if you’re if you’re on the phone lines just hold on um our producer had stepped out who and so you’ll you’ll have to call back in a second but i think the fraud that is occurring
SPEAKER 05 :
with SNAP benefits is really low according to how many people actually need it. I think it’s probably 1% to 2% of the stories that they were talking about earlier is occurring with SNAP benefits.
SPEAKER 12 :
Are you saying the fraud?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. I would say about 5% of people needing SNAP program is fraudulent.
SPEAKER 03 :
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s a very low. So if you have 42 million people, we’re talking, what, 500,000? So you’re talking about 40 million people still needing SNAP program?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m not sure I agree with that number. Yeah, that seems – I mean, but even at 5%, that still is pretty high, all things considered, for our population as are for our demographic of the United States of America. And 5% for the taxpayer is huge, especially for those that have to pay the taxes. Most of our tax dollars and the laws that have been put in place have been put in place for the wealthy. And the people that wrote those laws are the politicians that have become wealthy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but I was just coming across that, you know, you guys were speaking as though everybody on SNAP program is using it fraudulently. I’m not saying everybody is. But people get that idea or they start thinking that way because once you say that, then it’s like, oh, man, everybody who’s on food stamps is using it the wrong way. What I’m trying to say is I think.
SPEAKER 07 :
How’s it going, caller?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, there we go. Pretty much they are using them the wrong way because these people are on there for years. And I’m not talking about two or three years either. They’re talking about like 10 years, 15 years, 20 years. So that is the wrong way. So they probably should make some kind of term limit on how long you should be.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, we didn’t think about that. That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s a very good point. Something like that. And they can boot you off. And if you can’t figure life out within three to five years –
SPEAKER 08 :
I can tell you what ends up happening in these type of situations. Thanks for calling. And I’ve seen it. What ends up happening is an attorney jumps in and all of a sudden litigation happens up against the government programs. For instance, on certain places like public housing for that sector, there’s a time where basically they would limit the time. They gave time limits to students to be able to go to school, even at a regular campus was an example of one of them, where they were given at least five years to complete a degree for free and still live in public housing for free. And after their five years are up, they actually had to move on. Well, what ended up happening is a bunch of attorneys came in and basically said, you know what, the ACLU or whatever it is, whatever it’s called. But they would come in and basically say that this is you’re basically discriminating against this and you can’t do this. Housing, federal housing is not allowed to discriminate and give a timeline on anybody. Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
So this is a really good topic. So calling at 303-477-5600. The caller made a good point. He said it was never intended to live on. There should be a certain amount of time. And after that, it kicks you. So this is what I think they should do.
SPEAKER 08 :
And tell me if I’m wrong.
SPEAKER 07 :
They should be able to be on it for two years. You get kicked off and you can’t reapply again for another two or three years.
SPEAKER 05 :
What do y’all think? Listen, man. These people are so wise to the system. They’re so smart. They’ll find a way around it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ll do whatever it takes.
SPEAKER 07 :
You got to make it hard for them, though. Otherwise, they’ll keep doing it.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’ll use their daughter’s name. Their daughter’s social security name. They’ll probably use their daughter’s name who died.
SPEAKER 08 :
maybe we don’t know but if you don’t criminals are wise in their activities that’s why they’re criminal that’s why they do crime but but if you don’t try to do something to change the system it’s always going to stay the way it’s always been yeah but then you know like that example where you know now we have these judges i can essentially say you will you know enforce this effort or otherwise you know we’re I mean, why aren’t we using our judicial system better? Why are we allowing fraudulent, or I’m sorry, not fraudulent, but frivolous type activity where if a food assistance program is monitoring people and saying, you know what, we want to make sure that you’re doing this. But it’s odd that they can be sued and that once they’re sued, all of a sudden, if they’re not meeting a guideline, a federal guideline, then they have to throw all that away. They have to throw it all out. It happens.
SPEAKER 07 :
I just think it’s crazy that… 42 million people need assistance. And I get there’s children, a lot of children in there. And all kids need, if their parents can’t provide enough, they need to be able to eat. I agree with that. But what I don’t agree with is parents who are so lazy and listen call that 303-477-5600 if you are so lazy that you can’t get on the internet and put out some applications to try to better yourself and better your home then you got some problems okay so what happens to the
SPEAKER 05 :
What happens to the woman who gets pregnant? A guy gets her pregnant, leaves her with two kids. Hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why is it always the guy leaving in every scenario, dude? No, I’m just giving up on the scenario.
SPEAKER 12 :
It wasn’t in my scenario.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, keep going. So what happens to the woman who’s on food stamps? Guy comes in, gets her pregnant. She’s left with two kids. It’s hard for her to go to college. It’s hard for her to do this, that, or the other. but you only give her an amount of time to use food stamps, that time’s allocated and gone, and then now she can’t use it any longer. What is she going to do?
SPEAKER 07 :
Everybody’s going to hate me for this. It ain’t just the guy. It takes two to produce that kid. And I’m telling you right now, if she can’t afford it or he can’t afford it, they should talk about abortion. And, hey, listen, I believe before that heart beats, that is not a living person, but that’s me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, why does it have to go to abortion, though? Why can’t you just use protection?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes, yes. No, no, no, no. I’m going off of Brian’s scenario that he just used.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dude, you’re a communist, huh?
SPEAKER 07 :
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I’m not a communist, but what I’m saying is— Doesn’t China use that? No, that goes back to the first question I’m saying is that why have 10, 12, 14 kids if you can’t afford that? I mean, hold on. Let’s be honest. Are you a good parent if you have 15 kids in 2025? No. Oh, he said no quick.
SPEAKER 08 :
What if you’re a Mormon and you can afford your kids? That’s a different story. Okay, but if you can’t afford your kids and you have 15 kids, does that make you a bad parent? Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, that’s interesting. You know you can’t afford them. I mean, how much is it to raise a kid nowadays? What, $200,000? maybe more so you got to think that in the back of your head it’s like oh man if i pop out a kid that’s 300k can i afford that but but i guess what what prompted me to say that is everybody’s like the guy knocked her up and bell dude it takes two to produce a kid
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think each one of us knows someone that has a lady that has several different baby daddies. Wouldn’t you? I mean, as a contestant, why are you looking at me? No, no, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m not looking at anybody. Because it goes back to what I’m saying is that if you’re trying to better yourself, I don’t think you’re going to live on food assistance.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I would like that hand too. See, I’m…
SPEAKER 07 :
You know what I’m saying, guys? I don’t think you’re going to live on food assistance if you’re trying to better yourself, getting an education, trying to get the perfect career, trying to do all that. I think there should be a term limit, guys, and call it 303-477-5600. That’s me.
SPEAKER 12 :
I don’t know if a term limit would be beneficial for everyone. Everyone’s situation is going to be different. So someone might only need six months. The next person might need five years. What about the… the parent that has a child, a special needs child.
SPEAKER 07 :
Okay, yeah, there should definitely be, yes, I agree with that.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s going to be longer than… Well, coattailing off of that, I was going to say when my son was alive, every year we had to prove that my son had a disability. And, you know, his disability would never change. He was always in a wheelchair. He was always being fed by a tube. Right. etc um but i had to prove it every year to social security even though he was not receiving any type of social security so how hard is it if i have to prove that to social security how much how hard is that for a state to implement that then right and they made it hard they made it hard i mean my son was was disabled from birth you know but yet every year i had to prove nope there’s not been a change nope he’s still disabled nope he still has hearing loss etc So basically the system’s flawed. It is flawed because when, you know, like Rena said, you know, we can put those type of situations on people with special needs, but they still have to prove that they have special needs. How come? Right? Isn’t that crazy? That’s crazy. That is crazy. And I can speak, you know, authoritatively.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you can speak from experience. I can speak of it personally. Like I’m blind in both eyes. I only have… Correctional vision in one eye, meaning I got 20-20 in one eye and I’m blind in the other, but I have to wear a special contact in my eye, which causes very dangerous driving positions at night where the light from other cars beam into my contact and it makes it very dangerous to drive. So I’ve almost been in a lot of car wrecks. But that’s what the government tells me. What did they say? That I can’t accept, I can’t get, you know, disability benefits because of my profession. When I should actually be, when I should actually get benefits. I’m blind in one eye, bro. I’m not disabled. I’m disabled. Am I not?
SPEAKER 08 :
Nah, you got two eyes, buddy.
SPEAKER 07 :
One eye works. He’s missing one eye. Isn’t that considered a disability? Oh, that’s not considered a disability?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, believe it or not, even hearing impairment to a certain degree. Really? I couldn’t get any types because my son had to get a cochlear implant. The government considered that at the time. It might have changed since then. That was something that was an out-of-pocket expense. Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you know what the government told me? That I don’t qualify for benefits because of my profession. It’s like, yeah, what profession requires two eyes? A cop, a firefighter. But since you’re a janitor, you only need one eye to do your job. They gave you the old stank eye, eh?
SPEAKER 14 :
That is so funny.
SPEAKER 12 :
Crap. Call it 303-477-5600. That’s interesting because a lot of these scenarios, I know people that have gone to the VA and got benefits, but that’s military.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think military is different. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s interesting that they get, you know, partial hearing loss, loss of vision in one eye. That’s according to, you know, they get benefits for being military. Right. Which they should. They should.
SPEAKER 08 :
But check this out. Check this out. They have to fight hard to get those benefits. And, you know, people will say, well, the illegals don’t get any type of benefits. It’s a lie. it’s a lie you know um gavin newsom this this uh polis all them they they’ve allowed it to where they can go ahead denver for instance you know they’ve allowed it they’re they’re getting the benefits that they’re they can get you know don’t let anybody whatever happened but what happened with with the judge ordering trump to pay for the stamp benefits whatever that was friday yeah george ordered that it’s it’s a court order but you know again i ask you why did that judge not go to congress and say you know what you guys need to mediate you guys will sit and mediate and not leave until your mediation is done i’m just amazed in my opinion that judge is basically trying to demonize this president when you know yeah obama pretty much laid out the same scenario because the republicans were doing it to him under obamacare But yet, you know, the politicization of all this is terrible, you know, against one party over the other.
SPEAKER 07 :
I think it’s if somebody’s in the military and they can’t get benefits, then America’s in a sad state.
SPEAKER 08 :
They can get them, but they got to work hard at it. They got to prove it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Think about that. You’re defending. This is the problem I have with all that. You’re defending our country and there’s athletes making more than you. How does any of that make sense?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, again, those are life choices. But, you know, to those that have served, we thank you for that. Oh, yeah, we thank you. But with that said, you know, some people are coming out with PTSD like a lot of the vets. And the only time they can expose what they did is on incidents where they’ve received PTSD. And they don’t want to tell everything that happened. So they’re not getting the full disability. But my point is this. If I come from over the border and hop in here, I can go ahead and open up a company. I can open up a food.
SPEAKER 07 :
I’m telling you right now, if you come from across the border illegally, you should not get anything in America. You should not get a single dime food assistant. Our school shouldn’t tailor classes to speak your language. That’s bull crap.
SPEAKER 05 :
Press number one to speak English. To come across what you were saying earlier, how can a judge… Tell the president what he’s going to do. If you’re the president, you’re chief and commander. How can the judge tell you what you’re going to do?
SPEAKER 07 :
Because there’s order. There’s checks and balances.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s what it’s supposed to be.
SPEAKER 07 :
It’s supposed to be. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? But what I’m saying is if you need assistance, because I’m telling you, that caller was hitting it over the head, at least in my eyes, except for what Arino said. It should be case-by-case specific. If you have a healthy young man and young woman, you should be able to say, hey, these are the programs we’re offering you. Maybe you need to go back to school. Maybe you need to find a better job. But we’re going to help you. You can only be on this for a period of time. Sink or swim, like you were saying. I mean, that’s how I view it, though.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because, okay, so you guys said other countries don’t have assistance. Like, what countries don’t?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, check it out. A lot of other countries, guess who they utilize? They use the church. The church is where, you know, they can go to and get a lot of food. I mean, I’ve been over the border quite a few times and other countries overseas. And when you see poor, man, that is poor. You know, they don’t have the ability. I see people that have a disability but still have to work.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, that’s probably the reason they were protecting El Chapo then, because he was probably giving the community monies and stuff like that. Well, it’s probably true, dude.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you know, all in all, there’s corruption in it, and that’s what messes it up, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
For sure.
SPEAKER 08 :
A snap is a great benefit for those who need it.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what I don’t get? Why the U.S. doesn’t look at other nations that have a real low homeless rate and adapt to what they’re doing and say, hey, let’s try that over here? Such as? Because I think China has the least amount of homeless people.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, but is China a free country, though? There you go.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, still, what I’m saying, should we try to adapt to what they’re doing? Don’t they put people in housing that they don’t have?
SPEAKER 08 :
Everything’s done per capita, too. But, okay, well, per capita, basically, you know, how many people are in that nation compared to here? You know, you can say all you want. Like, if you go to Sweden or something like that, okay, you know, yeah, they have, you know, they have a higher income, period, right? They have, you know, let’s just be real, they… They emphasize, you know, building a career. So there are homeless and also rehabilitation, as opposed to us where we incarcerate. What’s our rehabilitation rates? You know, we’re training up a bunch of criminals, you know, when they go to from… That’s a good point.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, that’s a very good point.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, they learn how to become better in the system, you know, outside when they get out.
SPEAKER 07 :
Because it really makes you wonder, because you were hitting on a good point. Like in China, even though it’s a communist place, you’re required to get an education. In America, you don’t have to. Why don’t you just start adapting to that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Because one’s a communist country, one’s a free country. It doesn’t matter. You can still adapt to you getting an education, making somebody, forcing somebody to do something.
SPEAKER 07 :
I don’t think you can because at that point it becomes a dictatorship. Look, they already had a no kings rally because the man wants to turn around and shut down the borders and blow up Venezuela drug boats. So now if all of a sudden you start throwing people in jail for saying, hey, You don’t want to better yourself or have a better education. Who’s going to vote for that president? Because now all of a sudden you are a dictator.
SPEAKER 08 :
At least that’s the way I view it. Well, that’s where Donald Trump actually did something that takes a lot of male fortitude. He’s doing everything that the Republicans or the Democrats would never do. And he’s bucking against that. He’s trying to remove the fraud. You get a billionaire in here and then you get these morons that are on TikTok or whatever saying he’s just doing it so he can be rich. Well, the dude’s already a billionaire. Come on.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really? Call at 303-477-5600. We got 10 minutes left. This is a good topic. No, guys, he’s asking a good question. But the only reason we can’t do that is because if Trump turned around and said, hey, if you don’t better yourself, if we give you a term limit of being on SNAP. Dude, he’s going to lose votes. It’s all about votes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Listen, if this is the land of the free, then you’re not going to give them a timeline of how long they can use your SNAP program. Continue to use it. You’re the land of the free. You don’t want to change their situation. Agreed.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, but that’s what I’m saying. Like, no, it’s bull crap that a person can stay on for life.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, now check this out. My dad was an immigrant, and he’s a naturalized citizen. It took years for him to get that. But I don’t remember one time where we were ever on any assisted living. He worked his butt off. He paid his taxes, et cetera. I remember him writing a check every month to pay his taxes.
SPEAKER 07 :
I guess the question you would ask is, how many people are on it that don’t need it, but the people that do need it can’t get it because you’ve got some douchebag on it who doesn’t need it? Agreed. I guess that’s the real question you got to ask here. You know what I’m saying? 1 in 5, 1 in 8, 1 in 10. It would be interesting to know the statistics. And people, if you know more than us, call at 303-477-5600. This is getting deep. No. I mean, seriously, think about that. Who is on it that doesn’t need it that’s taking the assistance of someone who really doesn’t need it?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, according to the government, 98% need it. Well, of course, to the government.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, dude, I get there’s 42 million. And actually, you’re quoting something wrong because 12% of America is on it, not 97%. So I don’t know what you meant by 97%.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, can you clarify that?
SPEAKER 05 :
According to the government, what I was reading, it said 98% of people on Snap are using it correctly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, gotcha.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, well, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s what I’m trying to say. 98% are using it correctly.
SPEAKER 08 :
So my question is this. If you’re using it fraudulently, are you going to tell the government?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, right. Yeah. I mean, I guess it comes down to the whole integrity thing of do I need it right? Am I using it right? Am I using it wrong? Integrity.
SPEAKER 08 :
Brock, you said integrity, and that’s the saddest part of life is we don’t see integrity. From a guy’s perspective, that is one of our mission points, right?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s definitely one of our mission points. And I guess at the end of the day, what it comes down to is if they shut down for another month and people don’t get SNAP, I think this is all by design, dude. To get people off of it and get them to work.
SPEAKER 08 :
I’ve kind of wondered that too. Do you think that’s conspiracy or…?
SPEAKER 07 :
We have two minutes. So if you’re calling in, call at 303-477-5600. We’d like to have a talk to you about this. We got five minutes left.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, you know, the thing that I want to emphasize is I think we’re not trying to be, you know, look, I’m not a Democrat. I’m not a Republican. I’m an independent. And I always stress that. I see the viewpoints, you know, from Democrats of old. They were great. Republicans of new, guess what? They’re basically the new generation of, of middle class. And, you know, we work hard for a living, and we hope to achieve the American dream. But man, I tell you what, seems like it’s almost out of touch. Because there’s so many people that fraudulently or illegally enter our systems. And now I’m left to foot the bill for them. And I’m struggling here. You know, average everyday Americans are struggling to pay the rent, the mortgage. If you have kids and you did it responsibly, struggling to pay the bills, pay for the gas, the electric, etc.
SPEAKER 07 :
That doesn’t include the food. You’re bringing up a good point. You said the American dream is… Is the American dream still around? And if the American dream is still around, is the middle class person still around? You know, call in at 303-477-5600. We’ve got four minutes left. It just makes you wonder. I mean, is the middle class still here today? Well, it’s changing. It’s shifting.
SPEAKER 06 :
How’s it going? Ricky, talk to us. Hey, good, guys. I just wanted to put another thing in.
SPEAKER 07 :
You there, Ricky?
SPEAKER 06 :
You must be going through a bad area or you’re in a bad area. Oh, here you go.
SPEAKER 13 :
Yeah, I think we’re witnessing the dismantling and the end of the Federal Reserve System. And so I think a lot of people don’t know our history and don’t know, you know, we didn’t always have programs like this. And, you know, I think it’d be worthwhile for a lot of people to research the Federal Reserve and their history and what’s going on today.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I agree. Wow, that’s deep, man. He definitely brought up something we didn’t think about, guys. That’s an excellent call, Ricky. Thank you. Hey, God bless, guys. God bless. I mean, dude, he the Federal Reserve might be he might very well be right, guys.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s a very good point.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s what we did. So I guess that brings up the next point. Would that bring about the one world currency if the Federal Reserve is gone?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, I think the Federal Reserve is a predecessor toward moving to a one world government.
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, you think it is? Yeah, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER 08 :
But seeing that, now we’re going off on a little bit of, and I love this subject.
SPEAKER 07 :
See you guys later. We’ll see y’all next weekend. God bless.
SPEAKER 08 :
Have a good weekend. Thanks for joining us.
SPEAKER 16 :
Out of Guy’s perspective.
SPEAKER 10 :
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