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HOUR 1 from 12-11-25 Hour 1 of https://RushToReason.com focuses on medical freedom and political obstacles, with John Rush joined by Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. The hour examines why prominent medical and policy voices are suppressed and why reforms face strong resistance. Dr. Victory breaks down the ongoing fight over vaccine policy and medical censorship. She explains why treatments like ivermectin were aggressively dismissed despite real-world results. Steve House pulls back the curtain on the political and financial machinery behind health care. He exposes why hospital billing feels intentionally incomprehensible—and who profits from that confusion. The conversation then
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And it is Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House both with us today. Dr. Kelly, welcome. How are you?
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, good. Great to be back with you guys.
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Always a joy. Steve, welcome back, man. Appreciate you as well. Hey, glad to be back, the three of us back together again. Always nice, especially as we head into the holidays. We’ve got, really, one more Thursday. I didn’t think about this. One more Thursday for the rest of the year because of the way Christmas and New Year’s are. So, guys, we’ve got this one next week, and that’s it for 2025.
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All right.
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Time flies. Next week we should have a Christmas show where we can each tell you what we want for Christmas. I’ll give you one example for me. I’d like Anthony Fauci behind bars for Christmas, but we could get on that path for a long time.
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From your lips to God’s ears.
SPEAKER 07 :
Absolutely. All right. So, Steve, you sent something around this morning, so I’ll start with you. You sent something, a post that was out on X Today, sudden and expected. Talk about Dr. Francis Boyle.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, he was supposed to testify in a case involving Bill Gates in, I think it was the Netherlands or somewhere in Europe. And he died suddenly a couple days before he was supposed to testify. He’s, of course, one of those guys that knows the mRNA technology very, very well and, of course, had a very negative opinion of what was turned out from a vaccine point of view. So shocking. He wasn’t on the Clinton list, but he did end up dead before he could testify.
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, yeah, in fact, for those of you listening, this post says the Harvard professor who literally wrote America’s 1989 Biological Weapons Act and was set to be the star witness against Bill Gates and Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla in the ongoing Dutch crimes against humanity trial has been found dead days before he was scheduled to give a sealed deposition. Okay, so what did he die of is the question. Yeah, I don’t think we know. I don’t think we know. Go ahead, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
As I say, and unfortunately, and this is not conspiracy theory, it just happens too many times. You know, lest we forget, let’s see, Cary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test, who was going to testify that it was useless early on in the pandemic, you know, died suddenly. This happens all the time, right before someone’s supposed to testify that In a major trial where they’re going to expose fraud, corruption, abuse, you know, whatever it is, the powers that be somehow managed to take them out. This is tragic, but frankly, not surprising. I think there’s a reason why people legitimately fear for the safety of people like Bobby Kennedy Jr., because it does happen.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah. And speaking of RFK Jr., did I read this correctly yesterday, Dr. Kelly, that somebody has tried to start some sort of impeachment proceedings against him? Or am I missing that somehow? Maybe I just read that in my sleep. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, no, no. They are trying to come up with some. grounds for impeachment for Bobby Kennedy to get him out of HHS because they are absolutely terrified because of this one small move he was able to affect, which is getting the hepatitis B vaccine taken off of the recommendation and the childhood vaccine schedule for day one of life in babies who are born to known hepatitis B negative mothers. One tiny, tiny, tiny chink in the armor of the vaccine orthodoxy. And they’re running around with their hair on fire so much so that not only are they trying to come up with a way to impeach Bobby Kennedy, but they’ve dusted off and trotted back out people we hadn’t seen in a while, like Rochelle Walensky, former CDC director. And Deborah Birx, the scarf lady from the COVID debacle, they’ve dug deep into their coffers to find some people who they can trot back out, not just Fauci, but the rest of these people. And yes, they are going to try to impeach Bobby Kennedy.
SPEAKER 07 :
How successful, Dr. Kelly? I mean, personally, I don’t think that’s going to go very far. It’s a lot of lip service, I think, at the end of the day. I don’t think it’s going to go anywhere, but they’re going to try to get some press time out of it is what they’re going to do.
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Correct. They will waste time. There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth and hair on fire and running around and sound bites in front of the camera. It won’t be successful, but what it will do is sideline and take up a lot of HHS’s energy, time, resources, and those of Bobby Kennedy while they defend themselves against this useless attack.
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Steve, your thoughts on all that?
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I think there’s two pieces to this. So first of all, if you raise articles of impeachment in the House with the Republicans in control, it’s not going to go anywhere. I don’t think it’ll even get voted on. I think the bigger concern, and of course the Senate right now is controlled by Republicans, so there wouldn’t be a trial. I think the issue is, and it’s not an issue just for Bobby, it’s an issue for Donald Trump himself. If we lose the House… I think we have a decent shot of keeping the Senate in the cycle, but if we lose the House, they’ll impeach Bobby Trump and others multiple times, I’m sure, during that last two years of Trump’s term. And it’ll be, like Kelly said, it’ll be a huge waste of time and effort. If we lose the Senate… and the House, then, you know, they’re going to be, they’ll be gone, actually. I wouldn’t be surprised.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, if that happens, and this is, you know, probably, well, as we head down that 2026 timeframe and, you know, get closer to the elections, those are things, of course, that we’ll be talking about, but that’s where we on our side have to be you know, extremely, and Steve, this is really a lot in your wheelhouse, you know, given the fact of your past experience with the GOP, we’ve got to be extremely calculated in what we do moving forward. Some of what I’ve seen us do up to this point, you know, candidate-wise and so on, is not, and this is my opinion, not matching candidates to districts and knowing the makeup of that district. In other words, knowing the market of that district and the type of candidate that we need in there that can actually win. We tend to think that As long as they’re a hardcore, strong conservative and believe in everything we do, they’ll win. And Steve, it’s just simply not that easy. It doesn’t work that way. I wish it did, but it doesn’t work that way.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it doesn’t. And in reality, there’s about 15 districts that make a difference in who wins the House and who doesn’t. There’s really somewhere around 50, 51 that are reasonably competitive, but it comes down to those 15. And if it happens to be the wrong candidate in a district, maybe somebody who’s Because we see this happen in political parties. It’s like, yep, it’s his turn now. Whether he’s the right candidate or not, it’s his turn now. So they put him up, and then you run into trouble. And, you know, that’s the big concern. The big concern is what will Trump do with the final two years if he doesn’t have the House? and how bad would it be if he had neither house? It would be awful.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dr. Kelly, your thoughts on all of that, including what I said about candidates, and I want to make sure that I’m really clear on that. It’s not that I’m against being hardcore. I mean, you guys know me. You know where I come from, the background I have, how I am politically speaking, and so on. You know my stance on the majority of things that are out there, so I’m not one to waver, but… I’m tired of losing. I want to win, and I know that the makeup, Dr. Kelly, of different areas, different regions even, in our case in Colorado, different states, different sections of the state even, I just don’t think at times, Dr. Kelly, that we’re very calculated as a party when it comes to some of that. We sort of take this shotgun approach where really we should be taking a sniper rifle to it.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I agree. And the one thing that the Democrats are really good at, John, is exactly that. They play to win.
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They do.
SPEAKER 04 :
They play to win. Now, I’m not suggesting that we should adopt their playbook. Oh, no. You know, cheat of cheating. But we do know. No, but really quick.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dr. Kelly, their playbook of really understanding the market and the particular candidate they need to run. And they make huge mistakes. Don’t get me wrong. You know, Crockett running right now for the Senate, I think, is a stupid thing to do. It’s just doing nothing more than it’s an agitation thing. It’s going to get her some press time and so on. She doesn’t have a snowball’s chance of winning. And that’s an outlier. That’s not typically what they do, Dr. Kelly. Normally, they’re very calculated on candidates and where they run them and how they get them to win.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And that was my point is I’m not saying we should cheat like they do, but we do need to be far more calculating, far more strategic. You know, they really the Democrats really put a lot of time generally, as you said, the one off being Jasmine Crockett. into who is the right candidate at the right time in the right district, and we need to do that. It would be disastrous, frankly, from my perspective, if we lose even one house. If we lose both, essentially, you know, this is a waste. But given how much Trump has been able to do thus far in his first not even a year, you know, we could be looking great if we can hold those houses. I also think we cannot… You know, look away from the fact that Trump has done some things himself to hurt himself. Getting into it with people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Tom Massey or whoever it is, is stupid. It’s just stupid. This is, you know, we’re seeing some glimpses of, you know, the old Trump, Trump 1.0. And I think we’ve got to get him dialed back into where he started this term, which was in a really different way. Stop all the bombastic infighting. It doesn’t help us at all.
SPEAKER 07 :
Agreed. Steve, politically speaking, you’ve ran the party before here in Colorado. You know some of the ins and outs of it. And by the way, some of what I’m talking about here in Colorado, Steve, is we’ve got some knuckleheads here in Colorado that want to primary out some of the people that have a good chance of being an incumbent and winning if we get behind them. We’ve got Gabe Evans and some folk along those lines where we’ve got some people because I guess they think they’re too much of a quote-unquote rhino that we’re now going to go ahead and try to run somebody against them on the primary. And using Dr. Kelly’s words a moment ago, it’s just stupid. I mean, it’s just not calculated. It’s something, by the way, Democrats, Steve, would never do.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, they wouldn’t do it. But there’s two good examples here. One is Gabe Evans, because he’s in a district that has so far in its existence in CD8, it has flipped in each election. So it went from Democrat to Republican. Now we’re in a midterm with a Republican. It’s going to be very difficult to keep that seat. And doing somebody who’s unknown or even doesn’t even have the war chest that Gabe is building up is a crazy notion. But I want to go back to something you said about a sniper rifle, and that is I want to take Marjorie Taylor Greene for a minute. One of the things that happens in politics that’s very difficult for a state chairman, for political party leadership, is when you have a candidate who you like but you know cannot win, and there’s plenty of candidates that we knew when I was running the state party that we knew couldn’t win. Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to run for governor of Georgia, and I don’t believe she could win that seat. I think they had polling. I agree. And Trump being a – even though he doesn’t think – Kelly’s right about some of his – He doesn’t think sometimes, no. I agree. But he did the right thing by telling her, you can’t win this.
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Right.
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So, no, I’m not going to support you for it. Right. You know, you’ve got to move on from candidates like that to win.
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And I agree. And she is, you know, and again, personally speaking, not my favorite person. I think she was really strong at one time, went off the deep end on certain things. I, as president, wouldn’t have said the things Trump said back to Dr. Kelly’s point a moment ago. And I can guarantee you any kind of a governor’s race with her name behind it is an automatic loss for us. So, yeah, you just can’t go down that path. That’s exactly, Steve, what I’m talking about.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep, and the funny thing about it is, I mean, clearly, if I were president and this situation came up and you’d have a private conversation with her, and then you would have a public conversation if something came up to say, look, Marjorie has been an incredible supporter. She’s bright. She’s brought a lot to the table. She doesn’t want to be in Congress. She wants to move toward being governor of Georgia, and at this point in time, it’s not that I don’t support her personally. I do, but I struggle with her ability to win, so I’m just going to stay out of it. and just stay out of it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, great idea. And that’s a great answer, by the way. And again, Steve, you’ve got some experience along those lines, so you have the ability to speak to that even more closely to the vest than even I and Dr. Kelly do. But Dr. Kelly, he’s right. That’s the right answer.
SPEAKER 04 :
No, I agree. And that’s what I’m suggesting is that Trump just needs to back off. The getting into fights, infighting in general, is never a winner. It just isn’t. So don’t do it. And Trump’s handlers need to get him to back off on that. We didn’t see any of that. in the first six months of this administration. It’s just sort of reared its ugly head in the last couple of months, and it isn’t helping.
SPEAKER 07 :
Really quick, Dr. Kelly, I think, you know, this is my take, and I don’t know him personally. I know a few people that know But my gut feeling is, you know, he gets comfortable. He kind of gets into his own routine, and then something comes up, and, you know, it might even be a little bit more of a stressful day because, trust me, that office, you know, has plenty of stress involved with it. And all of a sudden, you know, he’s got a short fuse and, you know, probably says something off the cuff that, you know, maybe he really didn’t even intend to say in that way, but it comes out that way. And as we all know, that’s why Scripture is very clear on how sharp the tongue is, sharper than a two-edged sword.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And a lot of times I think he just does it to indulge himself because he can. But and my people might get it, you know, a quick five minute giggle about something that he says. But overall, it undermines. Our platform, it undermines our strength. You’re giving the other side fodder for arguments. You’re giving the other side fodder for the commercial. You know, I believe me, you will see again and hear again things that Trump said about Marjorie Taylor Greene coming into this midterm election because he has given those soundbites to the Democrats. And that’s just silly.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, and Steve, if there’s anything that we on our side have to stop doing, it’s why I have such a struggle where you’ve got solid guys. We just used a great example of Gabe Evans. And do I agree with every single thing every politician does? Steve, I don’t agree with Donald Trump on every single thing that he does. So the answer, of course, is no. But by and large, can I support Gabe Evans in his district and help him win and keep a seat in Congress that we so drastically need? Steve, I absolutely can. And to primary somebody against him in Colorado, and I know I’m saying this publicly over the airwaves, there’s probably some folks out there that are involved in this particular thing I’m talking about. Steve, that is just political suicide. It’s dumb.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I know. By the way, there was one political candidate you agreed with 100% of the time in 2020, but he didn’t win CD6, but we’ll leave that in the background. That’s exactly right. You know, the thing about primarying somebody, and let’s take the governor’s race in Colorado, which I’ve I’ve had an opportunity to talk to people about it. There’s like 19 candidates or something on the Republican side.
SPEAKER 07 :
Too many.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, take a good look at it for now. I mean, I know.
SPEAKER 07 :
Hang on, Steve. I want to interject because it’s your no offense. That’s probably half of the number that it should be really should be sitting down with these candidates and say, which one of you can raise 10 million dollars to try to win this seat in Colorado? Because if you can’t do that, sit down.
SPEAKER 09 :
I know, and my $4 million number is, once you get to the general election, you’ll raise the other six. But you’ve got to get through the primary, and it’s going to take, with this many candidates, it’s going to take like $4 million. Number two is have a panel of people that represent a good cross-section of the Republican Party listen to their platforms, listen to them talk, and really give them some serious advice. They can’t tell them not to run, but they can sit there and say, You know, I’m not comfortable with that, and I think this is a challenge for you. I mean, if you don’t do that, then you put a candidate in play who’s going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money, quite frankly, maybe bankrupt themselves, and nobody told them they couldn’t win, and we have to be good about that.
SPEAKER 07 :
Steve, I wanted to go one step further and not even be about the words that are being used on a particular platform, but how this is me. I want to know how are those words delivered? In other words, are you a strong, outgoing candidate that is dynamic and in a way, whether you’re old or young, but you’re youthful in the way that you talk? and how you associate with individuals. In other words, I want the complete package, Steve. I just don’t want what are your policies and what principles are you running on. That’s all great, fine, and dandy. By the way, love people for having them, and I’ll never take that away, Steve. But, you know, we live in a day and age to where if you’re not dynamic enough, you’re not going to win.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s 100% correct, and I think the other test I’d have them pass is, do you understand the Constitution? Do you know energy? Do you know health care? Do you know education? Do you know basic commerce? Do you know transportation? Do you understand agriculture? Because the state’s really got a big agriculture base. If you don’t understand those things, come back when you do. Take this election off, but come back when you do. Because if you don’t understand them, you’re going to run into people around the state, and you’re going to be talking, and they’re going to go, you know, I’m really struggling with how many pounds of milk we produce a year. How many do you see when you’re out and about? I don’t know. I mean, how many pounds of milk? Oh, it should be 30,000, but somebody doesn’t even know that. You have to understand the businesses we have running in our state, and you have to understand the critical issues.
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No liberal media bias here. This is Rush to Reason.
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And we are back. Dr. Kelly Victory with us today. Steve House as well. And we’ve been doing this Thursday edition for over five years now. So those of you listening, maybe hearing us for the first time, you can go back and listen to some of those past episodes. Just go to RushToReason.com. That’s a T-O in the middle, RushToReason.com. Steve, going back to some of these candidates, and I’m specifically talking about Colorado. That’s where, of course, we’re broadcasting from, although we reach a multi-state area when it comes – in fact, online, as far as that goes, we go nationwide when it comes to some of the things that we talk about. and the reason why i want to bring this up is i really feel like and i’ll jump back over to dr kelly in a moment but steve we’ve made a huge difference i feel like with all of what’s been involved with you know covet and the shots and all the different things we’ve given out so much information that and we will continue to talk about some of those things as those topics come up but this whole topic about you know winning here in the midterms coming up this next year i really feel like we can add some sanity maybe is the way to say it, Steve, into that election process and even getting some people to really think about should they run, shouldn’t they run, are we running the right candidate in a particular area and so on. And it’s a deep subject for me and something I’m very passionate about, as you know, because I’m tired of losing, Steve.
SPEAKER 09 :
You could play a role, John. I mean, I do think that people need to hear – What’s going on with the candidates? I’m tired of losing, too. To me, there’s no doubt that there is pathways to turn Colorado around in time, and people are getting sick of what the Democrats are doing. But you can play a role by inviting all the gubernatorial candidates one at a time on your show over the next year. Let us panel interview them. you know, for an hour. We’ll find out who’s good and then put the podcast out there.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, we can do that.
SPEAKER 09 :
So people can hear them.
SPEAKER 07 :
I have no problem with that. And I have. Some of them have already done that up to this point. Of course, what I’d like to see happen, and Dr. Kelly, I’m going to throw this over to you. Steve said a moment ago, 19. Really, right now, as we head down this stretch into the… primaries in the sort of that first half of the year. I think our primary is at the end of June. Dr. Kelly, I’d like to see this 19 get whittled down to three or four. And I don’t think I’m asking for too much in saying that. I think we can get it down to the top two or three candidates. and then run that all the way down into the primary. Problem is, Dr. Kelly, we’ve got a lot of folks in this state that have heavy influence in the party, and I’ll throw it back to Steve once you comment on this, but we’ve got a lot of people that are heavily involved in the party that have no intention of doing what I just said. They want their person in there. They’re heavy into the caucus end of things in the state here, and the reality is they’re not going to agree with what I just said, and that’s a problem.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with you. And I think the answer is sort of akin to what Steve was suggesting, that every single candidate should get the same list of questions, a single question or two on each of these different topics, health care, energy, finance, immigration. education, whatever it is, and get the exact same questions and answer those questions so that we can compare. We have the right as voters to know ahead of time what is the stance, what is the policy, what’s the platform these people have on these different issues. And instead, what they do is, you know, it gets obfuscated and they just keep running them out and it becomes a popularity contest. Who’s the prettiest? Who’s the most popular? you know, suave in front of the microphone, who’s got the right sort of look about them, rather than saying, what is your answer compared to this other person’s answer or these other person’s answers on this specific question on how would you deal with blank in the state of Colorado? And we have a right as voters to know that, but we never get it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Correct. Steve, your thoughts on that, and I wanted to have your thoughts on, I am one, and I’m really getting more and more strong on this, and I can explain why, and I know I’m going to get some things probably thrown at me through the text line and email, but Steve, I’m at the point in Colorado where you could abolish the caucus system, go to a regular primary system like what Florida has, and frankly, Steve, I think we would see more wins if we did that.
SPEAKER 09 :
It’s been debated for a while. I mean, you ultimately… You ultimately rule people out through the caucus system because if you go through the caucus system and you don’t get enough votes, obviously you don’t play. You can, of course, petition on to any ballot. So there is two ways to do it. But I’m kind of with you now. I mean, it’s not that I don’t understand the romantic conversation. perspective of a caucus where you’re sitting in rooms. I loved doing it. But at the same time, we’ve got to get the right candidate.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I want to jump in because I want your thoughts on this, because this is where I’ve really gone heavily with this over the past several months here is I’ve seen it. I’ve watched it. It’s having a huge negative effect upon politics in Colorado because of caucus. We invite grifters. That’s what I call them. Grifters that come in from other places that, frankly, couldn’t get into politics in a lot of other states. But because of the way we do the caucus system here in Colorado, a grifter can come in. latch on, make headway when it comes to that whole system, devote the time necessary. And, you know, that’s exactly what it takes in the caucus end of things in Colorado. But we have a system, Steve, that really invites those grifters in. And because of that is screwing up Colorado politics as far as the GOP is concerned.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, you could also make the case that you just need better candidates, period, because good candidates will defeat people like that, John. It’s just that you’ve got to be a good candidate. All too often, people get really excited very early when a candidate declares for the race before you’ve even done any sort of perspective on who the candidate is, due diligence, right? So that’s part of the problem, and I think there just has to be a better process in general. especially for the top job in the state. I mean, it’s really, really important.
SPEAKER 07 :
I agree. All right, Dr. Kelly, this came in on the text line, and kind of switching gears a minute, but I like getting questions answered from folks that text in because that’s really what we’re here for. In the first place, my thoughts are great, but I like to answer questions from folks Listeners, question for Dr. Kelly, Mr. House. I heard this morning on a morning radio program, this was last week, where the show host claimed there was numerous studies done during COVID and possibly even since that showed ivermectin to be ineffective. I was totally surprised to hear that. Is there any light to shine? on that claim and I don’t know what program was spewing this Dr. Kelly because my answer is we’ve talked about this plenty between the three of us that’s a solid hard no there’s been solid evidence showing ivermectin is very effective.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s correct. There have been hundreds and hundreds of studies that have shown that it’s effective. The studies that showed that it was ineffective largely either several different things. Either they started therapy too late. They used far too low a dose. They treated for far few, you know, like two days, two or three days, didn’t treat for long enough. Lots of different compounding factors. But by far, the studies have overwhelmingly shown effectiveness of um of ivermectin and even hydroxychloroquine and we’ve used it you know the proof is in the pudding we treated thousands and thousands of patients with it there’s a reason they don’t want you to know it because they want you to keep doubling down on these covid shots they are still suggesting covid shots they’re still suggesting uh boosters even for pregnant women it’s absolutely preposterous We have multiple studies, including out of places like the Cleveland Clinic. And I was on staff at the Cleveland Clinic for years. It’s not exactly a bastion of conservatism. It’s an uber, uber liberal hospital system. But they have done big studies, more than 50,000 patients, showing not only do the COVID vaccines not stop you from getting COVID, they actually increase your risk of contracting COVID. So they want to hide that information and then keep doubling down on this idea that ivermectin doesn’t work. There’s a reason, even the CDC and FDA now suggest that it does work. As you probably know, ivermectin is being made over the counter in a number of states. It’s already been ruled to be over, the law is passed in four states, Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Idaho. There are nine more states to follow, and this isn’t because ivermectin’s ineffective.
SPEAKER 07 :
By the way, well said. I can’t, all of that spot on, and for who texted that in, these are things, frankly, that, yeah, we have covered on this program. Dr. Kelly and Steve, gosh, I mean, honestly, between the two of you, I don’t know that I can answer that. We have done it so many times in the last five years, Dr. Kelly and Steve. I can’t tell you how many times we’ve talked about it. Countless times, really. I mean, I’d have to go back and look at every single episode, all of my notes, and look through how many times we’ve talked about it. But would I be wrong, Dr. Kelly, in saying as many episodes as we’ve done, 50-plus times probably?
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly. And I don’t, which is not a criticism, by the way, of the person who asked the question, because it’s legit to ask, has a new study come out? And the answer is no. They keep dusting off the old ones and keep trying to, you know, put lipstick on a pig here and make it sound as if their old flawed studies are somehow better now. The reality is those of us who are actually treating COVID patients knew very, very early on that it was highly effective. We now have multiple, multiple studies to prove it. But they have a vested interest in not letting you know that because they want to keep, number one, pushing the shots. And they want to keep pushing things like remdesivir and Paxlovid. It’s the same thing with cancer treatment. Look, we have lots and lots of simple, safe solutions. well-tolerated, inexpensive ways to treat cancer, which includes, by the way, ivermectin and lots of other supplements. But the big pharma sure does not want you to know that because nobody’s going to make a whole lot of money and be able to put you in the hospital and send you to an infusion center for the better part of a year and then treat all of your side effects from that chemotherapy for a year and onward. And so they have a vested interest in keeping those things hidden from the public.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and I did ask, and I won’t say this publicly by any means, I did ask maybe what show was this that for me personally can at least have some reference on Dr. Kelly and Steve, and I will not mention the show publicly, but I’ve got to believe, Dr. Kelly, that some other host that frankly is either unaware or is pushing a narrative that frankly they’re being told, I am, and you guys know this, and this is part of what happens here on Crawford Broadcasting, I don’t get told what to say or what not to say. Not one time through all of COVID was I told to, hey, stop saying this about this or start saying this about that. Oh, you got to go get a shot to be on air. If you’re not vaccinated, we’re not going to let you on air. Dr. Kelly and Steve, I was, you know, Dr. Kelly, I’ll start with you. Very, very fortunate as a host to not have to walk down that path, because quite frankly, I wouldn’t have. I wouldn’t be on air today if that had happened. But fortunately here at Crawford Broadcasting, because of the way we do things, I was never told that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and you are lucky because I’ll tell you, I had the opposite experience, John. I served as the voice of the doctor hour out of KABC radio in L.A. for 18 months, five days a week, 18 months for free. I did that show to bring the truth to the public and then cumulus radio came and told me that I could not say they wanted me to keep doing the show, but they didn’t want me to say anything negative about the vaccine.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And I said, you know, that is ridiculous. The only reason I’m doing this show for free is so that I can bring the truth to the people so that I can expose them to an alternative narrative. And I said, if you’re not going to allow me to speak the truth or my mind or my opinion, my assessment of the data, my assessment of the science, then why in the world would I do this? So I give great credit to your station, to this station. and to the leadership for having, you know, not only respect enough for you and respect for our Constitution, that you should be allowed to speak and bring this information to those who want to hear it.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, veteran windows and doors, by the way, will be coming up here in a moment, so stay tuned for that. Okay, going back, I’ve got an email or a message, I guess is what I should say, Dr. Kelly and Steve that came in. Steve, I’ll start with you because Dr. Kelly was last there. And this is somebody where you and I in the past, Dr. Kelly hasn’t been involved in as much of this as you and I have because you and I, when she’s not here, have talked more about AI, the billing sides of things, what’s happening on the admin side of the hospital and so on. So I got a really long email from a particular individual talking about… Listen, we need a way to standardize this whole billing aspect of things when it comes to hospital. In this particular case, he sent me his hospital bill for a knee replacement, and I’ll just tell you straight up, Steve, oh my word, what a convoluted system you two work inside of.
SPEAKER 09 :
No doubt about it. I mean, there’s no better way to say it. Remember, Kelly, if you remember during the process when I was running in 2020, we talked about the fact that A hospital bill is like going into a restaurant, ordering off a menu with no price on it, eating, and then paying five different bills to be able to pay for the food. You know, the maitre d’, the waiter, the guy that owns the restaurant, the cook, et cetera. And the cost of your bill or the price on your bill was dependent on what the guy at the table next to you paid. Yep. That’s how crazy it really is. I mean, it’s that insane, for sure.
SPEAKER 07 :
In this case, really quick, and I think the numbers are right. I mean, I’ve got to double-check all of this, but the total from the hospital was about $300,000. The insurance company paid $15,000. His share was $475. Medicare may have picked up some of that. But oh my word, Dr. Kelly, there’s a vast discrepancy from $302,000 to $15,000.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. And it really is a scam because they also can get you to sign. You know, you sign these things. It’s one thing if it’s an elective procedure. But if it’s an emergency, you’re handed all of these forms to sign. People have no ability to read them, digest them, get a second opinion, anything else. and then frequently get stuck with these ginormous bills. It happened to me. I think Steve remembers this. Some years ago, it’s been almost 10 years ago now, I had to get life flighted out of the mountains where I live for a medical emergency. I’m in no position to be saying, no, I won’t pay this bill. They hand you all these forms to sign. Right. I then got helicoptered down to a hospital in Denver, had emergency surgery, and then months later get presented with the bill. They said, well, the helicopter ride was $73,000, and your insurance paid $13,000, so you owe $60,000. And that sort of thing happens all the time. So it is not only that the bill itself has multiple different players, you know, one bill for the anesthesiologist, another bill for the radiologist, another bill for the hospital, another one for the surgeon. It’s incomprehensible. But how they pay out and how your insurance chooses to pay out over a period of time, it generally takes well over a year for the average patient. well over a year after the date of the service to be able to sort out what they actually still supposedly owe. It’s absolutely insane.
SPEAKER 07 :
Steve, this is closer to you when it comes to what you do in the hospital world and so in the medical world and all that, I should say. Will AI or is AI starting to make inroads into some of this to where some of what Dr. Kelly just mentioned and even you could be streamlined or are we still a long way away from that?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it definitely can make a difference. I mean, health care’s billing and collections cost 20% of the health care dollar. You know, restaurant and auto mechanic shop, places like that, you know, those numbers usually are 3%. So we’re throwing away 15%, 17%. And it comes in multiple ways, you know, one of which is we bill and the bill is denied by the insurance company, even though they pre-approved it, they still deny it. AI can actually come in and do all the process work related to the billing, rebilling, checking to make sure the bill is sound and it would pass the test. It can do a lot of things to make it faster and more efficient. If we can eliminate the labor cost or at least reduce the labor cost and get it from 20 percent, even down to 10 percent would make a hell of a difference in available money to pay for health care.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, and Dr. Kelly, so I guess the question would be even for you as a doctor, where – I mean, for example, I get a lot of people that now start asking me, hey, I’m looking at doing this particular repair. AI has the ability to even help with the steps and the procedures and even the cost of what that repair would be. So folks have the ability now to – quote unquote, be more knowledgeable, shop even on the front side. Dr. Kelly, do you see AI helping when it comes to, in this case, a knee replacement whereby, yeah, that one’s not, you know, that’s not an emergency surgery. That’s not what you were talking about, you know, having to be flight for lighted, you know, sorry, you know, flight for, you know, I’m not even saying light, flight for life in, you’re not having to do that when it comes to knee replacement because it’s somewhat, I mean, yes, it’s needed, but it’s a little more elective even where you might even get that done. Do you see AI helping in that end of things at all?
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t. Here’s my thought about it. And I am a real skeptic, so I didn’t have the luxury of hearing your conversations on this before. But I am not a huge fan of AI in general. I think, first of all, let’s remind everybody, AI is designed by humans. It didn’t fall from the sky like mana from heaven.
SPEAKER 07 :
No, true.
SPEAKER 04 :
It didn’t just show up. There are people who write the algorithms who are involved in how this happens. It didn’t just all of a sudden fall out of the sky. So all of the biases. of the individuals involved at every level of putting information into the big computer that ultimately is called AI because AI is faster at being able to pull these disparate pieces together. But all of it at one point had fingerprints of humans on it. And therefore, all of those biases and errors and prejudgments are baked in. The idea that we are going to continue to remove any human interaction is, I think, fallacy, and I think it’s a fool’s errand. Let’s talk about how long ago has it been, Steve, that electronic medical records became absolutely not only mainstream but required?
SPEAKER 09 :
Not that long. 20 years? Maybe 20 years ago, yeah.
SPEAKER 07 :
Believe it or not, actually, you guys will find this fascinating. The particular individual that owned the company that had a lot to do with doing all of that was actually one of my customers at my store in Boulder. And, by the way, made a boatload of money selling that company off to the larger companies that were out there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct. Okay. So, so, so hear me out here. So 15, 20, 20, it’s been 20 years, I think, since the federal government put away, put aside a bunch of money to give to everybody because you were required to have an electronic medical record. When’s the last time you went to a doctor’s appointment that you weren’t still handed a clipboard with a piece of paper on it to fill out information? Despite it, they got an electronic medical record. But you still have the clipboard with a piece of paper and the pen and you sit back down and you fill out the same stuff you filled out 100 other times because the electronic medical record simply does not function the way we were sold and told that it would.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I guess the question, Steve, would be why? I mean, to me, this is no different than intake forms in the automotive world and so on, which, by the way, we are getting more and more down the lines of what we’re talking about and actually making it a lot more accurate and doing it better because of AI. I agree, Dr. Kelly, that, yes, a lot of that is inputted. But on the same token, there’s a lot of static things that are out there that can be shoved into AI that can make things a lot more fast when it comes to these things. Steve, why is that not happening on the medical side? Because it’s happening in the automotive world.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, first of all, electronic medical records weren’t designed for doctors. They were designed for insurance companies to get data that they wanted. So the process, the workflow of a doctor doesn’t necessarily fit with what EHRs are and how they interact. I mean, they take your attention away from the patient when it needs to be on the patient. So on that hand, I agree. Plus, We went down this pathway of interoperability, which means, you know, John, you go to Swedish Hospital and then you end up at Denver General. They’re supposed to have your record in both places. We’ve never made that work consistently, which means then somebody hands you a clipboard, just like Kelly said, and you’ve got to redocument everything you’ve ever been asked before. So the whole process is just not very effective. Technology doesn’t always give you a great result.
SPEAKER 07 :
On the other hand… But by the way, really quick, sorry, and this is maybe where some of us will have to agree to disagree. It should, Steve. There’s no reason why it’s not, in my opinion. Why isn’t it?
SPEAKER 09 :
Because it’s not designed well. Because it doesn’t actually… So then somebody needs to fix it.
SPEAKER 07 :
I mean, no offense, how hard is this? Fix it. Good grief, how hard is this?
SPEAKER 09 :
So here’s the other thing, and Kelly could disagree with me on this one, and that is that Doctors have vastly different specialties. They work in environments where it’s inpatient, outpatient. So the interface in the system, like your telephone, has to be significantly different from one to the other to the next, and it’s pretty difficult to make that work in a system way. So that’s why they don’t like it a lot of times.
SPEAKER 07 :
So in other words, we’ve got to change the thought process in how all this works, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I guess, you know, if you’ll let me wax philosophical for a second here in the final moment, is that, you know, we are all on this call, at least people of faith. And I would tell you that the concept of AI and of being able to automate everything suggests that machinery and mechanics can be made to improve the thinking and processing of human beings, that we can substitute the thought process of a physician or of whatever. Yes, there are tools. A mechanic uses a tool, puts it on, does some screening tests, but it is the finesse and the insight of that mechanic and the finesse and the insight of that doctor, the ability for a writer to put a turn on a phrase cannot be replaced by something that does not have the capacity to think, feel, sense. And it truly shakes my my face to think that people are suggesting that it can. So, yes, what happened with the electronic medical records is we came up with a very fancy billing template. That’s all it is. It captures data, as Steve suggested, so that they can bill better. But that’s not how it was sold to doctors or patients. It was sold that it’s going to make doctors more efficient. Patients are going to have a better experience. They’re going to get better care. There will be fewer errors, except that none of that happened. We have more medical errors now than we ever did back when a doctor wrote it on a piece of paper and put it in a manila file in his file box. Because the idea that we are going to replace speaking, feeling, intuitive human beings, I think is a fool’s errand.
SPEAKER 07 :
And I won’t disagree with any of that. Where I’m coming at this from, and I’ve seen it happen in my industry, is AI will streamline, and it is happening right now in a lot of ways. I will tell you right now, and this is my fear, is that if we as conservatives especially, and Steve, I’ve talked about this outside of Dr. Kelly, but Kelly, you’ll hear this for the first time. My fear is as conservatives, if we don’t still play in this world, in this sandbox of AI, the same thing is going to happen like what happened with Sorry, welfare system during the Depression. The church, you know, was silent, and now we have a welfare system that is completely bloated out of control that government, you know, has now handled. Hollywood, music. Guys, I could go down the list of where the church has been silent, and if we do the same thing with AI, we’re going to be in the same boat, Steve.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I think what you have to do with AI… is you have to use it where you’re doing a process over and over and over again that’s essentially the same. It doesn’t require human critical thinking. It just means data has to be acquired, like doing your taxes. Data has to be acquired from certain documents. That data needs to be put in a form. That form needs to be rolled up. It needs to be totaled up, and it needs to be prepared for you to look at to send off. AI can do that kind of stuff. I’m a skeptic as well in the sense that I think Stephen Hawking was right. I mean, we can’t let it take over our lives. It doesn’t replace people in people’s scenarios.
SPEAKER 07 :
Of course not.
SPEAKER 09 :
There are lots of processes like ordering supplies. Walmart does it with AI now or ordering supplies in a hospital. There are things like that that can be done. I just don’t want it to be a doctor.
SPEAKER 07 :
Agreed. I agree with you on that one. Absolutely. And by the way, great subject. This is one where, guys, we can definitely come back to and talk about this more as we get to the beginning of next year. It’s not going to probably happen next week because there’s other things I’d like to talk about as we close out the year. But good topic, by the way. Guys, I’m sorry. With that, I’ve got to let you go. Steve, I’ll let you go first. Appreciate you, man. Always good to talk to you guys. Always a great discussion. Dr. Kelly as well. Appreciate all you do. And, again, we’ve got one more week left where we’ll discuss some things as we close out the year. But, man, the year goes by fast, Dr. Kelly.
SPEAKER 04 :
It does. And let’s close it out with a bang next Thursday.
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SPEAKER 07 :
All right, already texting our group chat with Dr. Kelly and Steve House and getting things set up for next week’s show. So here’s a challenge to those of you listening. If there’s something that you would like to see us close out the year on, because again, the way Christmas and New Year’s is happening next Thursday will be our last show of the year with Dr. Kelly Victory and Steve House. So challenge to you all. If there is something that you would like to see us cover on next week’s program, please send me a text message. We’ve already got that group chat going between Dr. Kelly and Steve and I. So believe me, if there’s something that you guys would like us to throw into the mix, please let me know, and we’ll finish out 2025 and that last Thursday show of the year in doing so. And those are shows, by the way, that will be replayed most likely for the holidays as well. So if there’s something you’d like us to talk about next week, by all means, send me a text message, 307. 282-22. You can send an email in as well. That one’s easy. John at, J-O-H-N, at Rush2, T-O, Rush2Reason.com. So John at Rush2Reason.com is my email. All right, Hour 2 is next. Don’t go anywhere. Rush2Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
