In this episode of A Guy’s Perspective, our hosts delve into the challenging topic of transgenderism, focusing particularly on the parental role in a child’s gender identity decision-making. The conversation navigates through personal insights and societal impacts, considering both the moral and legal angles. Join the discussion as the hosts ponder whether parents should hold sway in such personal decisions and to what extent societal norms dictate these choices.
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I can’t hide myself I don’t expect you to understand I just hope I can explain What it’s like to be a man
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Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
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How’s everybody doing today? This is KLZ 560 AM and all the guys are in the studio. So let’s go around the room. And if you ever want to talk to the guys, if you want to tell them hi, if you want to tell them We’re a bunch of wackos. Whatever you want to say, call at 303-477-5600. Because the older military gentleman told me I talk too fast, so I’m going to say it again. 303-477-5600. Good job. Let’s go around the room. Start with Reno.
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Reno, local business owner.
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This is Andre, local business owner. Brock.
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Brian, local janitor.
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Heath Hiney.
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Which is brand new.
SPEAKER 10 :
I gotcha. Thank you. Let’s jump into the topic, guys. What are we talking about today?
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, this is a tough one. This is a tough topic.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’re talking about transgenderism and parents. Should parents actually be like, you know, some kind of action towards them should they be thrown in jail should they have to pay a fine if they’re turning around changing their child’s gender let’s let’s get into it the morality and the legality and all of that kind of stuff about this do you guys know let’s start like this do you guys know anyone that’s a transgender i do not i do
SPEAKER 12 :
You do? Yeah. Yeah, I’m in film. I’m in acting. So, yeah, there’s a lot of, I’ve got at least a handful or more friends that are either transgender or in transition.
SPEAKER 03 :
Actually, I do. I know someone too.
SPEAKER 12 :
Homosexual.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. One of my wife’s friends.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Hmm. What about you, Reno? I don’t know anyone. No, I don’t know anyone either. So let me ask you this. We all have kids here, pretty much. Well, if your child came to you, let’s say your boy comes to you and he’s 14 and says, hey, you know, I’m feeling a little off. Maybe I should be a woman versus a man. What are you going to tell him? Let’s go get your hormones checked. Okay, here’s an even better question. Because at the age of 18… You could address it like this.
SPEAKER 03 :
I, too, was once a man trapped inside a woman’s body. But then I was born.
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So if your child comes to you at the age of 18 and says, hey, I can now do whatever I want to do, or we’ll even say 21, I’m going to change my gender. Are you going to love your child the same? Let’s go down that path.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, of course you’re going to love your child the same as your child. Yeah. You might not agree. You might agree or disagree with a lot of things that they do, but you’re not going to love them any less. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s one of the things I find to be problematic is sometimes, obviously, I don’t have kids, right? But sometimes people can be more accepting of those family members than they can of other people that are having gender dysmorphia or they’re transgender or they’re gay or they’re a liberal.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they’re not in your family. It’s harder to accept them. That’s deep. No, no, no, no, no, no. You’re right. I think whatever happens at the end of the day, I think as a parent, we’re going to love our kids regardless.
SPEAKER 03 :
Did you know Trump had a transgender person on his team in 2026? I did not. Not sure if he has one now, but I mean 2016. On like the cabinet?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, his board. Male to female, female to male?
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Male to female.
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Who was it?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, look it up. What I think is interesting about this topic, guys, is I’m not sure if the process becomes irreversible if a man becomes a woman or a woman becomes a man. I don’t know if you can transition back if you decide.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I think you already made it up in your mind what you want to do. And once that occurs, it’s way too hard to go back. Once your mind’s made up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, there’s people that have transitioned and then regretted it. True. But once they transition, there’s no operation to return them back.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I think the question also is, you know, I heard that in Russia – it’s illegal to transition until you’re 18 or older. And that seems kind of logical because I think, you know, unfortunately, if you’re watching TikTok, there’s just a lot of fads. And, you know, we were kids at one time, and we used to follow the fad of whether it’s wearing a starter jacket, whether trying to be a wannabe gangster or whatever the case may be.
SPEAKER 12 :
I got beat up for a starter jacket once. I’ll tell you about that.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I think, unfortunately, when they hear these songs, you know, Katy Perry and a few other kids, they’re literally being influenced, you know, and they don’t have the wherewith to be able to say, truly, do you really want to transition and have a permanent surgery? Because I’ve heard of, and I can’t remember her name, but she regrets having the surgery. She did the whole operation, everything, and now she’s an older woman and she regrets that she can’t get back what she had surgically removed. Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
But I mean, some of the studies that I’ve been reading about, they’re telling you that, you know, at the age of three and four, you should be able to choose what clothes you wear and what clothes you put on. I mean, doesn’t it start there? I mean, if you see your kid putting on women’s clothes when he’s a man, that sinks into his mind that that’s the kind of clothes he wants to wear. The parents should be there. Hey, those are those aren’t the clothes you should be wearing. These are the clothes you should be wearing.
SPEAKER 03 :
What study is that, from CNN or something?
SPEAKER 09 :
No, just some child institutions.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let me tell you a funny story. And, Mom, if you’re listening, or my sister, I was probably about four or five years old, man, and my hair, my mother had it permed, so I looked kind of like Little Orphan Annie with my freckles. But there’s a picture lingering of me. I was like four or five, and she put me in a dress, a blue dress, man. Can you send that to me? I’ll find it. Maybe she’ll send it to me.
SPEAKER 10 :
And listen, people call at 303-477-5600 and tell us as a parent, you know, if you’ve experienced any of this, we’d like to hear. So as a parent, you’re going to love your kids no matter what. But isn’t it our job? To steer them in the right way. And if your kid comes to you at the age of 12 and says, hey, I’m I’m I’m feeling a certain way. I feel like I’m really a girl trapped inside of a boy’s body. Shouldn’t we tell him the right way? He’s.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I want to say something. It’s back to the clothing. What is it called? It’s not transgender. It’s when you wear other people’s clothes. What is that? Cross-dressing. Cross-dressing. So remember, like I told you the story where I was a little kid and I didn’t have the wherewithal to say no to wearing a dress. I just wore it. It was funny. It took a picture. Well, hey, Heather. What’s up? She’s listening. And one of the things is… From a biblical standpoint, doesn’t it say that women shouldn’t wear pants? It does say. Does it?
SPEAKER 03 :
It says apparel. Apparel. Well, I’ll clarify. Apparel, that pertains to a man and vice versa, right? Yes. It does say that. So when you go to like Middle Eastern company, I mean companies, countries. You know, they’re the things they wear are different from what we wear as Americans, too. So you got to realize it’s also a cultural thing, too. Right. Yeah. Culture. Yeah. Like kilts. Yeah. Kilts. Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Culture and cultural. And that’s the thing, though, is so some of these things are nature versus nurture. It’s the environment that one grows up in. And then to what degree are we already, you know, transgressing? I mean, if we want to call transgender a transgression, then to what point are we already transgressing that? You know what I mean? Like if women are preaching in churches, if women are wearing pants, if women are, you know, I don’t know if I’m way off base here, but I’m saying there are some things that are kind of… What’s it called?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think the Bible alludes too much to nature, and it does talk about nature as the teacher. That’s how much God respects nature and humanity.
SPEAKER 12 :
A man cuts his hair. Women grow it long.
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A woman cooks it. And also you’ve got to understand the thing behind that. Women that cut their hair were the prostitutes of the days of old. That was an association that showed that they were a prostitute and they weren’t virtuous. So if you’re out looking for a prostitute, that was the easy, that was the red light, I guess, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Shorter hair.
SPEAKER 10 :
Kind of bringing us back into the show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, which is fine. It says, when a parent alters… a child’s like development in that way, meaning like you take a 14-year-old from being a boy to a girl, that can permanently disrupt normal physical and psychological development on that child.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with that. It disrupts their growth. Right. So they’re not, you know, you go into puberty and different things that you’re growing. Right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Where you interrupt that. Right, so that’s what I’m saying. As a parent, when you interrupt that development as a kid, how much damage are you doing to that child’s mind when you turn around and take a 16-year-old and say, yeah, when you’re 18, you can turn around and go from a boy to a girl or a girl to a boy. You’re disrupting, like you said, their development, and you’re really hindering their mental development.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah, but I really am convinced wholeheartedly that this lands on some of the parents. Because if you look at the statistics, you know, like 1% to 5%, you know, at the age of 12, 13 to 17, people are deciding they want to, you know, change sex. 95% is from three years old to five years old. So that lands on the parents because you should never in your life allow a three-year-old or a five-year-old to start playing with male or female toys or putting on their clothes or whatever the situation may be.
SPEAKER 10 :
Whoa, whoa, whoa. I got three daughters, and if they’re sitting there playing with a football in the front yard, I never once thought about making them boys.
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Yeah.
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So it doesn’t matter what kind of toy your kid plays with. And that’s coming from a guy who didn’t have kids, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That does not change.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay, well, I’ll say they’re close for sure. If I say you start dressing up like a boy as a young kid or a girl, your mom should instead be a parent instead of being your children’s friend because that’s what we have too much of. I think parents try to be their kids’ friends instead of their parents, right? Oh, because I don’t want to hurt my child. or, you know, lose my relationship with my child, or whatever it may be, stand up, be a parent, because that’s what you’re there for. If you see them doing something, lay it down.
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Because there has to be some kind of, like, development of their mind.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and those are the formative years, too, where children really are looking for a parent. Not an authoritarian, basically saying, my way or the highway. That’s going to backfire on you. And if you’re a friend with your children, that’s going to backfire on you, too. But they do need some structure. Structure comes with guidance, just like Jesus. When he had that rod of correction, guess what? Right. Well, you know what? He would actually guide his sheep. A lot of people think it was beating the sheep. No, he didn’t beat the sheep. He guided them. It had a hook to pull them back.
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It had a hook to pull them back.
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Off the cliff. Right. So let me ask you guys this. A parent that turns around and encourages their child to go from being male to female or female to male, are they at the wrong?
SPEAKER 04 :
I think so because it’s your job to find out It could just be a hormonal imbalance, and you need to find that out before you say, okay, yeah, you could change your sex, and they’re not even fully developed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think getting outside of the Bible, let’s go back to nature. If you look at nature, I feel like once a person transitions, they’ve lost that ability to procreate. Because, you know, despite what the Democrats told us last in 2016 through 2020, I’m sorry, 2024, men cannot be pregnant and they cannot have babies. I’m telling you right now, biologically speaking, men cannot have babies. All right. So with that said, it’s kind of interesting if you were looking at a population control movement, then maybe this is where the population control is also a product or this is an outcome of that population control piece.
SPEAKER 12 :
If it’s a psyop, a psychological operation, wouldn’t it be easier just to put like some saltpeter in the food that we’re eating so that, you know, sterilize us? Sterilize men?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it doesn’t sterilize you. It just keeps you from… Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Getting an erection. But, you know, some type of sterilization, you know, through chemical warfare versus like manipulation through like media and social medias to get kids to like switch genders and parents to go along with it.
SPEAKER 10 :
And listen, people call at 303-477-5600. This is a good topic. I want to ask you guys this. Again, 303-477-5600. Are parents really just not listening to the cry of their children? You know how many parents turn a deaf ear to what their kids are saying and now all of a sudden kids are shooting up schools or off doing whatever they want to do. Could it very well be that there’s not enough compassion from the parent to steer their kids in the right way because we’re so busy working.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s a good point. I think one is, yeah, we’ve gotten too busy. You know, there used to be in the 50s where a man could provide for the whole family. The wife could stay at home. I know some women don’t like that and some men don’t like that. But at the end of the day, we’ve gotten too busy to be able to parent. So now we’ve left it up to the schools, the government. to be the parent, and that’s the worst thing we can have, right? Because if you were born to be a parent and you had children, then, you know, you’ve got a responsibility to do so and make sure that you are parenting without the government trying to tell you how to parent, without the schools trying to tell you, you know, what a man is or what a female or a male is. The definition is clear. It’s based on biology.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I mean, yeah, to piggyback on that, how much does the government have… you know, to do with your parenting, with this whole situation. Because if they’re telling you you’re not able to spank your kids, well, that could play a big role in the outcome of your children.
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Well, what is the law right now about letting your – or taking your young child to be transitioned?
SPEAKER 10 :
Right now the law in Colorado is a parent – has to like listen to their kids in the sense of they want to be it from what i’ve read i could be wrong do they have to have parental consent consent so i think at the age of 18 they can make the transition anything younger than that the parents have to consent to it what’s what’s the earliest that a kid can uh be emancipated um so they could just go off on their own build their own oh 16 or 17
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I’m not sure. What is it? I would say 18. I would say 18. Yeah, that’s when you’re able to make your own decision. Emancipation is – you’re automatically emancipated at 18. No, no, no. Yeah. That doesn’t make sense.
SPEAKER 12 :
Macaulay Culkin at like 13 years old emancipated himself because his parents were –
SPEAKER 10 :
uh ill fit to uh uh keep the money that he was making from home alone the the reason why i say 18 is because my mom and and and you know i’m not going to give last names or anything like that my mom was in foster care for years and she she brought other um youth under our roof at all times i mean she she was an amazing woman and i’m none of them could be emancipated they had they were warned they were given to the state yeah so they’re all ward of the state so right so i don’t think they could emancipate themselves from the state
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. But I do. And my point being is, you know, if a kid is 13 and they could be emancipated, then they could make their own decision apart from their parents.
SPEAKER 04 :
Each state has different laws of emancipation. For sure. So it’s at different ages. But at 18, you’re considered an adult. So you have no need to be emancipated. But like in, let’s see, in California is 14. Really?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. that young in california and people call at 303-477-5600 this is good let us know what what about colorado though what does colorado say and if any of our listeners know give us a call because it’s very interesting to know what causes a child i call him a child at the age of 14 to want to so it’s 16 and a half years old in colorado
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, 16 and a half, so pretty much 17.
SPEAKER 10 :
He’s 16 years old in six months.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I know, but what’s the half going to do?
SPEAKER 03 :
2019 legislation, HB 19-1251.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and so my sentiment with that is that if a kid at 16 and a half in Colorado chooses to change their gender, then all they got to do is go through a court of law, get emancipated, and change their gender. Without consent of a parent.
SPEAKER 09 :
I think you guys are missing it. 95% of people that are changing genders is at three to five years old. It wouldn’t matter about… What you guys are talking about.
SPEAKER 10 :
But at the age of three to five years old, a three-year-old and a five-year-old doesn’t know what they want to do. They don’t know even how to tie their shoes. They don’t know. So that’s wrong, Brian.
SPEAKER 09 :
No, it’s not.
SPEAKER 10 :
They cannot mentally – I’ve looked at it. I was three at one time. At the age of three, you don’t know if you want to eat Cocoa Pebbles or Froot Loops, dude.
SPEAKER 09 :
But not to change subjects, but when somebody wants to say that they want to be – It doesn’t start at that age. No, no, hold on. When you talk to somebody who is – bisexual or homosexual you say what age did you know that they’ll say young i knew at a young young age that i didn’t what and in my mind i’m thinking at that age i was never thinking about what sex i was going to sleep with that how did you you’re special to know that you were you were you’re a lady and you were going to sleep with ladies and you didn’t never want a man
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s what I’m trying to say. I don’t know about you guys.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hold on, guys. Call at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 12 :
I was excited about the opposite sex from, like, six or eight.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I was going to say the first girl I kissed was, like, in kindergarten. And it was kind of funny, too, because, like, she was mixed, you know, black and white. And I thought that… I was kind of right, right? Kind of right, but kind of wrong. I thought that if I gave her a kiss, I would start to turn black, too. And I’m a white guy. So I told my mom about that. I asked her, I’m like, if you kiss someone of a different color, would you turn their color? So my mom instantly replied, yes, so don’t be kissing anybody.
SPEAKER 10 :
And you never did again. Guys, so if your child is wanting to make this transition, and now you have to be… Supportive. For listeners that are listening to us that may be going through this right now, how should parents address this? Because you’ve got to be supportive. You can’t just, hold on, the old school way of doing things like they did on the bayou, like, shut up, you know, go outside, grab a switch, and start whipping people’s butts. That’s come and gone. So how do you be supportive?
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, I mean, you definitely, you seriously have to, you know, give them a course of action to let them know the seriousness of the medications. What do you mean by that? About the medications that they will be taking if they want to transition. The medications are really destroying people’s lives. I mean, as you can see going on TV.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you think it’s a medication?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yes, for sure. Because if you’re actually made to be a male, but you’re taking pills to become a female, I mean, what do you think it’s going to do to you?
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, OK, that’s fair. I would say to be fair, most of the people that have transitioned have been the top, you know, people that have gone in and shot up places that the media tries to cover up. But eventually you find out that they were, you know, transitioning. And I don’t think it’s the transition piece. I think it’s the medication. I think once you start manipulating, you know, the way the hormones, etc., I mean, that’s like basically giving children steroids. And we’ve all heard of roid rage. It’s a very real thing. So, you know, at a little child’s, most of the things that you give a child, you have to give them in slow doses. What are they doing when they’re manipulating the actual, you know, natural X and Y, you know, the hormones, etc.? ?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I agree with that. They’re changing the… You’re changing your hormones. You’re changing what’s natural.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you guys think that on, like, whether Colorado or a national level, do you think we… are altering so many young people’s minds by not only the things that they’re watching on their phones, but the type of foods that they have, the type of medications we’re putting in that’s causing them to think certain ways?
SPEAKER 12 :
Isn’t it also in, yeah, yeah. I would say that, you know, careful little eyes what you see, careful little ears what you hear. And this is a task of the parents to guard their kids, right? for what they’re getting. The problem is that so many parents just allow schools and friends to raise one another. Wow, that’s deep.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I would go as far as not a lot of Bible readings going on in the home. Because if more Bible reading was going on in the home, they definitely wouldn’t allow their kids to be putting on other sex clothes.
SPEAKER 10 :
But how do you guys as men today… How do you view a transgender? The biblical answer to me is to still… Well, not even biblical answer. I’m talking as a business owner.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m going to, hey, they got the same amount of money that non-transgender. As far as biblical response, though, I’m not going to hate on a transgender person. Would that be racism if you did, though? It’s not racism, but, I mean, they would call it something to do with gender bias, but… Homophobia. Yeah. Homophobia. Yeah, well, I don’t even know about that because a lot of gay people don’t recognize the transgender community because they’ve gone so far off. Really? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
Reno. So what are you talking about? How do we view them?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, so as men, if we know that this person has transitioned from a man to a woman, how do you view them? Can you change your DNA? No. Then you’re still a man. So you’re going to introduce yourself. If that woman comes to you who used to be a man, are you going to say, how are you doing, sir? Or are you going to say female?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m not going to say either. I’m going to respect what they identify as. I’m not going to disrespect them. That’s a good answer. Sometimes people do that on purpose because they know it’s going to be. That’s where I was going. There’s no need to. They identify themselves. You can respect it or you can not respect it.
SPEAKER 10 :
As a business owner, should you ever turn somebody down that’s wanting to do business with you because they’re transgender? That is illegal.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t think it’s illegal, though. Well, I mean, it’s not illegal, but someone in Colorado did get sued because they basically said, I won’t do, but it wasn’t even for transgender. It was about a gay wedding. Yeah. So maybe it is illegal because once a court sets a precedent, then unfortunately, usually other judges will follow suit. So probably if I’m a business owner, one is personal. I don’t see no need to discriminate. And that’s what it is, discrimination. You know, you’re… That’s your choice, but, you know, I mean, it’s not what I personally condone, but who am I? You know, I’m not going to judge you.
SPEAKER 10 :
This is good, guys. Brian first.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, you know, the Bible tells me to love my neighbor as myself, and I’m going to love him unconditionally, whatever decisions they make.
SPEAKER 12 :
Heath, I know we’re going into a break, so I’ll say something inflammatory here. Even though I’m in film and I know a lot of people who are either gay, homosexual, transgender, lesbian, or something like that, I will say I play a bit of a game where I look at a person and try to see how quickly I can decipher what they are. And I’m pretty quick at it. So if you’re dressing like a woman, but I know you’re a man, I can determine that within probably a few seconds. Can I ask you something?
SPEAKER 03 :
Again, to that point, if you’re going to be a trans, if you’re going to trans as a man, don’t be dressing like a clown. Go all the way. Yeah. Because what’s the deal with them dressing like, you know, purple hair and all this?
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen, people, we got to take a regular call on the other side at 303-477-5600. This is a really good topic.
SPEAKER 07 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
How’s everybody doing today? This is the second half of KLZ 560. You can always call the guys at 303-477-5600. Again, that’s 303-477-5600. And we’re talking about like… if you missed the first part of our show, which was really good, about how parents interact with their kids if they’re trying to become a transgender or going down a different path than they were raised. How should a parent deal with that? And I guess my question to you guys is, how as men… How do you help your kids if later on in life they’ve moved out of the house, they want to do things different than the way you were brought up? What kind of advice do you give them?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think you can only guide them so far because you’ve got to accept the fact that they’re going to be their own adult. So they may do things that are not the way you have raised them. And that, you know, quite frequently happens, especially as they become teenagers. They start to feel like they know more than, you know, you do as a parent. You know, they know better, you know. And, you know, even though the statistics are there, maybe you can guide them toward it. But at the end of the day, you got to do everything with truth and love. I think that’s the best advice that the Bible actually gives is speak in truth and love. Yeah.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah. And I mean, I think you have to know at that moment, you did the best you could as a parent to raise them to when they make that decision. You could look back and say, hey, I did the best I could. I gave them the laws of the land. I gave them the right instruction. And so be it. You made that decision. I did the best I could.
SPEAKER 10 :
Let’s bring in another correspondent, CBS News Congressional.
SPEAKER 12 :
Brian’s phone going off over here.
SPEAKER 04 :
uh sorry so you could you could guide them but in their eyes they’re not you know if they’re if they’re going to be trans in their eyes they’re not wrong they’re doing what’s what they view is right yeah that’s right and Just like if someone, I don’t freely give my opinion about trans or any other topic, but if you ask me, We’re probably not going to agree on the topic, but that’s okay because that’s why we’re all different. You’re not going to agree with me on everything and vice versa. So what’s right in my eyes could be 100% wrong in someone else’s eyes. So they’re going about it thinking they’re doing what’s right. And, you know, we’re trying to deter them and have them have our viewpoint.
SPEAKER 10 :
So let me, before we get to you, Andre, let me ask you this question. If you turn around and your 18-year-old comes to you and says, hey, I want to transition and you’re… this staunch person saying, no, no, no, don’t do it, and they start to gain resentment towards you as that parent, will you budge on your belief? Let me let him finish real quick, and then I’ll come to Andre.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would say if you build that resentment, you’re going to push them towards what they’re resenting you for. You’re going to push them towards that. But I think you have to find a way in love to – This is a good talk, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
Andre.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Basically, my way or the highway, it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work. No, it doesn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Not with anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. In fact, it leads to more, if you quote unquote rebellion, you know, in a church label. But, you know, people that are always told no will eventually, once they’re free, will say, yeah, I will. Whether you like it or not, they’re going to do it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. Heath, what were you going to say?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, I was just going to say the same as these guys. They summed it up. It’s not even about transgender or age or anything like that. If a parent is staunch in their decision and stuff, you’re going to form resentment on any topic, man. It could be a Ford house, and they buy a Chevy.
SPEAKER 10 :
And call us at 303-477-5600. A question for you and Brian. Sure. if you end up marrying a woman or going on a date with a woman and that ends up being really a dude that transitioned should you stay in that marriage or do you leave it once you find out a bigger question would be if you married somebody who Hold on, because I looked online. There are ladies that are like supermodels that were not really women to start, dude. They were dudes, and you can’t even tell they were dudes.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, I know of a guy. I know of a guy. It was in the film community, and he was in transition to female. And then later he got kind of back into his church with Jehovah’s Witness and everything, and he went back to being a guy. So he was mid-transition, and he went back. And this guy is a married guy, and his wife supported him in his transition and when he came back. What? Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, listen, people. Call that 303-477-5670.
SPEAKER 09 :
But most people wouldn’t support it. Like this guy, the janitor. I ain’t supporting it. Listen. I mean, you should have wisdom, right, with the person you’re dating that it would give you a signal that this person might be the other sex. I don’t care what you say. You should know without a shadow of a doubt, there’s something fishy here. She might not be what she’s saying she is. I don’t care what you say. Don’t let him say it’s a flashlight.
SPEAKER 12 :
Reno. Reno first. Go ahead. Oh, I just wanted to say that. Listen to the plumber, guys, because he knows if it’s the right plumbing or the wrong plumbing.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was going to say he plunged a lot of holes. I have a question. Did you know that there’s Miss, not America, Miss Universe? That wasn’t actually a woman.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, that’s what I’m saying. Transitioned. There are people that have transitioned. You can’t even tell that that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, because of technology. It’s crazy. Because of today’s technologies and the surgeries that you can get. Yeah. It makes it very hard to tell.
SPEAKER 09 :
But that costs a lot of money, right? There’s people out there with a lot of money. So the percentage of people able to do that type of surgery is probably low, really low.
SPEAKER 04 :
We’re talking hundreds of thousands. A lot of times they’re not the one paying for it. Oh, wow. Go fund me. Go fund me. Well, no, they get the guy. There’s a guy that pays for it. What’s that, fans? In other countries, there’s websites for women to meet and be brought to the U.S. or different countries. And the men that pay for them to be there and pay for the surgeries.
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen, call at 303-477-5600. This is good. Heath and Brian.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I’d say that piggybacking on what Reno was saying with these surgeries are getting paid for by men, I’d wager to say that the men that are paying for it are white, quote, straight men, probably married, and this is their side piece, and they’re paying for them coming out of Thailand.
SPEAKER 04 :
That sounds… Thailand, Philippines. Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER 12 :
The point is I’m trying to point the finger, man, because whenever you point a finger, there’s three pointing back at you, and sometimes it’s easy to call perversion of all of these things but not point the finger back at the very people who are making this perversion more perverse.
SPEAKER 10 :
Look at my finger. So I guess that’s what we come full circle to is… When a child is thinking and an 18 year old isn’t a child anymore because they can go to the military all nine yards. But when they’re thinking about doing stuff like that, where did the parent miss? Where did the parent end up missing it? Where did they go wrong in not directing their child in the right steps?
SPEAKER 03 :
Man, that’s a dirty. That’s kind of a rude comment. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, I’m not trying to be racist.
SPEAKER 10 :
Listen, guys, I’m not. I’m just saying, where as parents did we miss it in directing our children down a path that they should have not probably have went? I mean, you see where I’m coming from?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I don’t know, man. I think going to conspiracy. How’s it going, Batman? The Dark Knight. Hey, Batman. Batman. Batman.
SPEAKER 11 :
Batman, you’re on. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, hey, I’ve been here. I’ve been listening to you guys, man. You got a janitor? One-night guy there?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Like a one-night pirate? Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, hold on. Just tell us what you think about the whole transgender thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, well, you got one sitting in your box office right there. His name’s Brian McKenzie, you know? Ha! I think when he cut his prick off, right, he thought he was silver ball suit like his old lady. But, hey, what do I know? All right. Thank you. Thanks for that.
SPEAKER 10 :
All right. See you later. So back to what we were saying.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s got a fan out there.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’d like to thank you, Batman. If you want to get any of my clothing line, it’s on janitors.com.
SPEAKER 10 :
Janitors for us. Man, that dude said you cut your wanker off. Oh, my gosh. Back to what we were saying. That’s throwing me off. He’s hurt. Look at him. Okay. So, being diversified. I mean, do you think parents like… Brian, buddy. Batman, you hurt his feelings.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, not really, bro.
SPEAKER 12 :
You can’t hurt Batman’s feelings.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, he’s not Batman.
SPEAKER 12 :
Sorry. All right. All right, back on track here, people. Yeah, so the topic of transgender is a pretty serious thing that we are encountering in this world, like in all countries and everything. So… I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Man, all right, sorry, man. I meant to get back to my conspiracy, so let’s just go this route. Well, hold on. Let me catch it. Let me finish. What if it’s the microplastics and things like that that are degrading the hormones? You know, if you listen to these advertisements, whether they’re true or not, it’s always saying, hey, man, your testosterone levels are at a significantly lower level than ever before. And you know what? It kind of seems like that. Let’s just be real.
SPEAKER 12 :
Really?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. That’s a trip. That is so crazy. Man, Batman got him. So… What do you think, B-Truth, B-Rizzle?
SPEAKER 09 :
He’s speechless. Oh, I… Yeah, I just… He’s hurt. I think… You gonna go back to Mama? No, I just think… I think there’s just a lack of Bible teaching in homes. I mean, most people that aren’t being up, that’s not the truth. That’s not, you know, 100%, you know. But most of the time, that would be probably the source.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I got a question. What does the Bible say about transitioning? Is that a sin, would you say? I mean, do we want to get that controversial? Yes, of course.
SPEAKER 09 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 03 :
Transitioning is a sin.
SPEAKER 09 :
But, I mean, how far can you go to say, you know, because I know there’s certain, I’m not positive, but I think people are born with both sex, right? Is that true?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, there are people that are.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, intersex or hermaphrodite, as we used to know it.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
As we used to know it. But, yeah, there’s like a, I don’t know if it’s like one in 5,000 or something that is actually born intersex, which is both sexes. And so the doctors or the parents at that time, at that age. Yeah. make a determination as to whether it will be male or female.
SPEAKER 03 :
I heard Jamie Lee Curtis was born that way.
SPEAKER 12 :
Intrasex. Is he?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So how is that? Is there ovaries and testicles? Usually there’s a shaft.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Can you say that? Back on topic.
SPEAKER 10 :
So it’s parents are kind of. Yeah, I’m sorry. I had to step away from the microphone people. I’d love to know who Batman is, man. So I think when parents aren’t loving their kids or their young adults the way they ought to, I think that has a lot to play in what
SPEAKER 12 :
young adults end up doing well that I I do agree with you in the sense that there is a there’s a predatory approach of LGBTQ angle going after the minds of kids that are kind of you know without like guidance of their parents So there are people who are young and impressionable, and if they don’t have guidance, then they will find someone to guide them. And you might guide them down the wrong way.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s so true. So like when people go to gangs, right? Absolutely. Where are their families? You find a family there. The gang is the family.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, because at that age, that whole age from the time a child is born until the time they’re even 21, I would say their minds are…
SPEAKER 03 :
being developed by so many different things well even 18 i mean when you said that you know they’re no longer children and 18 i i disagree with that i think that 18 became the proper age for a military fighter because you know that is one of the best you know times of life to be able to you know teach them and program them and also combat you know but let’s be real when you’re middle-aged usually you’re stronger you know but They’re not children. We need to kind of get… I mean, they’re not adults. They’re really children. I think up until 21, 22 seems fair in my opinion.
SPEAKER 04 :
I have to agree with Andre. The mental maturity comes at different ages for individuals. It’s not… I don’t think it’s a set age. Once you’re 18 or you’re 21, you’re fully mature. Some go earlier and some go later. There’s no one that’s exactly the same as the next person.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m 45. I still live at home with my mom. Maybe I’m still maturing.
SPEAKER 10 :
You’ll mature one day. Let me ask you guys this. And callers, you can call in and chime in at 303-477-5600. Tell us what you think. Do you think our parents or our parents’ parents, did they have to deal with what? kids nowadays have to deal with do you do you think they were mentally stronger do you think they just didn’t want to come out the closet with that stuff i think a lot changed after you know prayer was took out of school i think a lot of this occurred after that i would say like 67 right 67 70s around i think it was the 60s if i remember i uh And so, I mean, because that’s huge. When prayer got taken out of schools, that was a big thing. When did they stop doing the Pledge of Allegiance? That’s the next thing I was going to ask.
SPEAKER 12 :
But I’d like to say, man. Our generations and the changes are always happening and stuff, so you can go back to, like, Grease and, you know, all those plays. That’s right. And there’s kids, boys that end up playing roles of females in all of the performances, the plays and stuff like that. Right, yeah. So what you had is you had kids that were boys and then sometimes even eunuchs and stuff like that in the Bible. So it’s always like cycling. And sometimes we just suppress it. And when it’s been suppressed, then we don’t think about it or know about it. And now it’s becoming quite prevalent.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I was going to agree with you, Heath. Like back in the day, you know, a lot of those actors didn’t use women. They just dressed up like in Shakespearean time, et cetera. But to answer your question, yeah, it was in the 60s when prayer was taken out of the schools.
SPEAKER 10 :
So do you guys think because… 62. Thank you, Charlie. 62, perfect.
SPEAKER 09 :
Charlie.
SPEAKER 10 :
Do you guys think that because parents, instead of wanting to parent kids and be more friends, do you think that… As parents, do you think we’re our kids’ own downfall?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what I think is I think that parents have not been allowed to parent any longer because you have institutions. And I don’t know if we got cut off last week or not, but you got the new child support services, the new people that are coming in and basically telling you how to parent. If you say something that could be considered offensive, then they can come into your house and open up an investigation. Whereas back in the day, it was for literal abuse. Oh, yeah. You know, it’s interesting what things have stymied the ability of parents to parent.
SPEAKER 09 :
I totally agree with that. But on the on the prospect of the other side is, you know, what to do when a kid comes to school that has, you know, abuse marks all over his body. Well, that’s probably true. No, no. See. I think that’s where it started. When you actually see a parent abusing their children that way and they’re taken into custody, I think it’s morphed into now it’s coming to words in what you’re talking in that situation. You see what I’m saying? I’m saying that… That when you’ve abused your kid physically, it’s morphed into more than now.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s just as much. You gave them an answer and they took a mile. I get what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 10 :
And call us at 303-477-5600.
SPEAKER 12 :
This is good. That’s how things go. Things certainly go that way by the pendulum swinging when it was overlooked that kids would get beat or thumped on by their parents or somebody in the household. then the CSP, Child Protective Services, or something like that wasn’t enacted, and now it is. And then now it’s almost going too far where there’s so much autonomy in the kids that they get to make their own decisions, so then the tail is wagging the dog.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, so I guess that’s my question is, how detrimental is it for kids to be growing up in a single-parent home or in a home where, like we said earlier the first part of the show, both parents have to work in order to pay the mortgage, pay to rent, put groceries, and now all of a sudden we have an outside influence that’s continually influencing kids nowadays and the development of their mind. That wasn’t by accident. You think that was by design, huh? That was by design.
SPEAKER 04 :
Get the man out, get the…
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you. But why do you think that? Well, look at a lot of the program that’s gone on, whether it’s through Hollywood or whatnot. All the father figures are bumbling idiots. And now heroines, I mean, the heroes are women. You know, a woman’s not going to be able to take you on, Brian, you know, in a fight or anything like that. But all these little things that they’re trying to teach, they’re trying to degrade the gender piece. You know, they’re trying to basically say that. As women are equal as men. And, you know, unfortunately, we know that’s not true. If you go to MMA, we’ve seen what happens. If you look at the Olympics, we’ve seen what happens. Pro boxing, we’ve seen what happens. Wrestling, the kid that claims to be a woman, just because he’s transitioning, is always pouncing on these women. And how unfair is that? What disadvantage? So, yeah, it’s been made by design.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow, that is deep, Heath. So would you go as far as to say that some of the role reversal of gender has already taken place when maybe after World War II when women had to kind of roll up their sleeves and start doing man work and then the role reversal would be men would be in the house and cooking and so… That’s a start of people transgendering.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and I think that’s when it started.
SPEAKER 12 :
Flipping sexuality and roles.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, I think that’s when it started. I think that’s when the women started working for the government during World War and they were putting on pants. I think then the transition in their mind was, oh, we can be just like the men. Before you know it, I think that’s where it all started for sure. Because if you look in the 1930s and you look at most photos, all women were wearing dresses most of the time.
SPEAKER 12 :
Man, you were hung up on dresses. I wish I was in the 30s. I want to say with what Reno was saying that it’s by design, but I think it’s by design by two. One is governmental, governmental agencies and how they want to take over and manipulate and PSYOP. Uh, but it’s also because of, uh, the, just the, the devil, you know, so that’s a biblical aspect of, you know, manipulating and taking advantage of people, um, breaking, breaking the, the, uh, what, what do you call it? The nucleus, the nuclear family, nuclear family.
SPEAKER 10 :
So you guys think a lot of this has to do with, like, the falling apart of a home, basically. You know, the separation of moms and dads from kids, and now they don’t really have that guidance that they should have. Or structure. Because I heard what Brian said. Brian was like, you know, kids go to school with bruises on them because they’ve been… Man, my mom used to whip my butt. Like, you know what I’m saying? No, no, no, no. Seriously. In a good way. I never thought about going to school and telling a teacher. And even if they did, my mom would have just been like, kiss my butt anyway.
SPEAKER 12 :
But I do want to say, so the argument of the left or the progressive is that sex role and preference and gender and all of that is part of a social construct. Yeah. And that is that old social construct that we’re used to, that we think is normal, that male, female, household, kids, everything’s nuclear families.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. So that’s kind of like basically the 1984, if you’ve ever read that book. Orwell? Yeah. The Orwellian theory where basically George Orwell says, you know, basically it’s gaslighting, you know, saying that, hey, two plus two equals what? Four. No, it’s three. You know, I mean, these are things and now it’s unfortunately we’re running out of time. But these are things that are starting to come up where it’s very Orwellian, where basically they’re telling you that a man is a woman, a woman is a man. Well, let’s just be real. Centuries, decades. I mean, nothing has changed. Nothing is new under the sun. A man is still a man. A woman is still a woman. I mean, remember Archie Bunker when they used to talk about that? Boys will be boys again.
SPEAKER 09 :
I would love to know. I would love to know the percentage of people trying to transition in biblical times. Like, did it ever occur? Did, you know, I doubt it. They had boy toys. The king. No, I’m saying, did anybody ever want to go from, you know, male to female in those days? I would love to know.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s an old trade. I mean, it’s an old thing. Just like prostitution. I would.
SPEAKER 10 :
imagine let’s say it was happening then too then yeah oh wow and listen people we’re trying to do a new thing on our show um we’re trying to start like basically a community so if you have a topic that you want us to talk about go to theguysperspective5 at gmail.com post what you want us to talk about we’ll talk about it and and once a month if you want to come into the studio and debate the guys you then come on in and we’re going to debate whatever topic you have.
SPEAKER 09 :
Can the janitor give you one last little speck of wisdom? It just dawned on me, right? I mean, don’t you think that this is all a concoction of the enemy trying, you know, the devil trying to destroy man because you were made in the image of God. And if he can destroy that, then he’s doing his purpose. I mean, if more people could understand that, you know, if you’re a man, you’re made in the image of God, and he’s trying to destroy this.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s excellent, but the problem that we have is that there’s so many single-family homes, and there’s kids that are going hungry. They ain’t thinking about God. They’re thinking about eating.
SPEAKER 12 :
Let me make a crazy connection or a parallel. There is the enemy has come to kill, steal, and destroy, but… I’ll use Jesus as an example where he said, I came not to bring peace, but a sword. To cause division between mother and father, mother and daughter, father and son.
SPEAKER 03 :
We know why, though.
SPEAKER 12 :
But no, it’s for a purpose. It’s just human nature. Well, but I believe that unless someone dies, then the seed can’t spread, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
So I think that in God’s divine plan that he causes all of this division so that there is division. There is diversity and changes because who’s going to be able to bring somebody back from the depths of, say, transgenderism than somebody who is transgender and loves Jesus?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so I don’t agree with you, but I do agree with one part. And I’ll let you know because, you know, Jesus basically is the role model of parenting, right? We know that when someone’s starting to go astray, he’ll do whatever he can to kind of bring them. But you never catch him saying that, you do this, otherwise I’ll destroy you. You do this, well, actually, at least Jesus did it.
SPEAKER 12 :
Prodigal son, boy.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think Jesus was all love. I don’t think Jesus had any animosity towards people, but that’s me. I don’t either. You know? But I think at the end of the day, people, I think it comes down to… to the direction of the mom and dad. And if the mom and dad isn’t instructing their kids the right way, I heard one of you guys say it, they’re going to go astray, period. There’s going to be an outside influence. Is that Batman’s boy?
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and to Batman, please, don’t ever call the show ever again, please.
SPEAKER 10 :
That was some funny stuff. Remember, we’re trying to do a community group. Go to theguysperspective5 at gmail.com. Bring up topics. We would love to talk about them. And if you send us an email and once a month you want to come in the studio, we would love to have people come in and debate us.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’d love to have that special guest Batman come on.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that was some funny stuff. All right, y’all have a good afternoon.
SPEAKER 07 :
Bye. I don’t expect you to understand me. I just hope I can explain what it’s like to be a man.
SPEAKER 05 :
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