In this episode the guys discuss the upcoming 2024 Presidential Election.
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John Rush (Host) :
Welcome to another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host this week, John Rush from Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco’s show with us today. And Neil Boron is back from Neil Boron Live, Buffalo, New York. Guys, and yeah, there’s no secrets. We do this on Wednesday mornings. So good morning, guys. Good morning. Hey. Hey, John. So how’s the garbage can today, guys?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Here we go. You know, you guys are just sitting here with this garbage that I have to put up with every day. So, anyway.
John Rush (Host) :
You know, I can relate. Doing good. Doing good. Thank you, fellow garbage. My other business is we kind of are in the trash business, so I guess I can relate, and I guess Joe’s somewhat right. You know, we’re just garbage. What else can I say? Apparently. Apparently. But, you know, along those lines, here’s a question. As we get going today, we’re going to talk all things politics today, guys. We’re six days away. from the election. We’re going to get into all of that today for the entire hour. And then, of course, next week, depending upon the results from Tuesday night, we’ll talk more about, you know, the results of if we even have those at that point. But good grief, is Joe Biden the Republicans’ best salesman we have right now? He does this. How about this?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
The timing of this. He completely overshadows and takes the news cycle away from Kamala Harris’s Washington, D.C. rally. It’s like they have to be going, you have to be kidding me. Nobody say anything. Hold your breath because we want the media to bask in what she did in Washington, D.C., 77,000 people. It’s like, you know, OK, fine. And then Joe Biden just takes the story away and changes the headline instantly. And they have to be going, you got to be kidding me. We didn’t even – the microphones weren’t even turned off yet, and you turned our rally into old news. I love it. And so – but you know what, though? I have to say also – This is your typical classic example of manufactured fake outrage on the left. They do stuff like this all the time. Some conservative will say something. If they’re six degrees separated to Donald Trump, some conservative will say something that’s considered controversial. Okay, fine. But then the left has a meltdown clutching their pearls as though this is some kind of major scandal. Some comedian that Trump doesn’t even know who he is. He’s never even met the guy. And some comedian up there Who, by the way, is an insult comic, okay? That’s what insult comics do. They insult people. And by the way, he wasn’t saying the Puerto Rican people were garbage. Puerto Rico is kind of known for having a lot of garbage that washes up on the shore on their beaches. It’s kind of known to be that way. And there’s a lot of dirty areas of Puerto Rico. So he calls it a floating pile of garbage. OK, fine. Insulting. I get that. But he’s an insult comic. But the left was just so furious, so outraged that became the face of Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally. But as I’ve said all along. Stuff like that. They’re not really angry about that. They’re not. They’re only using this as an example to try to claim faux outrage against Donald Trump. Because as soon as Joe Biden says not a piece of land is garbage, that Joe Biden says half of American citizens are garbage refers to them as garbage. The very same liberals, the very same Democrats, the very same media, they’re not offended. They’re not demanding an apology. They’re not even saying, hey, that’s not right. That’s not appropriate. They’re just like, okay, well, hey, let’s just move on to the next story. So it’s fake outrage they manufacture on the left.
Neil Boron (Host) :
A couple questions, though. I just got to ask. I mean, because you’re never going to see that explanation, the one you just gave, Bob. You won’t see it on ABC News with David Muir or MSNBC or any of those. So, okay, interesting the way you presented that. But what in the world – What was to be gained by having that comic there anyway? Who knew what he was going to say? Maybe he just threw that out there. What was the point? Like, how does that help during the homestretch of this campaign? I just, I’m shocked. But secondarily, what was the whole thing about Trump going into New York City? He’s not going to win. I mean, unless a miracle happens. And that could. Maybe he will. But he’s not going to win New York City or maybe not New York State. He’s, you know, a Republican hasn’t taken it in decades. But hang on, hang on. All right, because I want to answer that. I have a theory. Yeah, I want to hear it because then you got Kamala going to the Ellipse and it’s almost like they went to each other’s territory and marked their territories if there was some kind of a symbolic message here.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
See, you know what I think Trump did? Trump knows he’s not going to get New York. I think he knows that. All right. I think what he did, and this was masterful, he did something that the media has to cover. He did. It’s basically he’s stealing headlines because playing at Madison Square Garden in the heart of New York City. is one of those things that would make it on the media’s radar screen. Now, of course, the media is going to find a way to somehow turn it into a negative. Hey, it’s like the 1939 Nazi rally, which, frankly, that just benefited Trump. Because I think a lot of independent swing voters realize, hold on a minute, the Democratic National Convention was held… Madison Square Garden in 1992 for Bill Clinton. It was held in 1980, and it was held for Jimmy Carter, and it was held in 1976 as well. So you have Democrats that hold rallies. So I think independent swing voters realize they saw that and went, my goodness, they really are falsely smearing Donald Trump. Anything he does, they’re calling it Nazi-esque.
John Rush (Host) :
so i think that that really quick too bob i think the other thing that it does and for your answer neil is if overall he can tick up even the percentage of voters that’s voting for him even in states that he knows he’s not going to win i think that’s a pretty good indicator of what some of those other surrounding states for example pennsylvania north carolina etc i think i think in his mind he’s looking at that saying these are other people that are going to see me to bob’s point it’s going to make headlines and if i can move the needle up even in new york it’s going to move my overall needle period
Bob Dutko (Host) :
You know what? If there was an arena in Minnesota, which we know he’s not going to win, if there was an arena in Minnesota that most of Americans have never heard of and it held 20,000 people, there’s not a chance in the world that Trump would go in there. But everybody knows the name Madison Square Garden. Everybody knows that name. Everybody knows New York City. And so it becomes a national news story in the battleground states. Everybody in the battleground states is like, wow, Trump goes into the heart of New York City, Democrat country, Madison Square Garden, and he sells it out instantly in Madison Square Garden. You know, I don’t know. I mean, maybe the guy’s more popular than I thought he was. I think it was very smart.
Neil Boron (Host) :
With additional thousands clamoring to get in that were outside. That’s right.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Oh, you know, there were 200,000 people trying to get in. There were a total of 200,000 people that attempted to get in Madison Square Garden, and they could only let in 19,500.
John Rush (Host) :
So it’s big news. I mean, I still think to your point, Bob, and again, Neil, to kind of answer that question is, yes, this makes big headlines across the country. It steals some thunder away from her. Trump knows he’s not going to win New York, although you got to realize, too, that’s his home territory. I mean, that’s that’d be like me coming back to Colorado if I was running for president, knowing that you’re probably not going to win Colorado. Trump’s not going to win Colorado either. But at the end of the day, do you go back to some of your home turf and just to have some of those conversations. And the reality is, you know, to Bob, to your point, the national, probably world media that he got out of this was huge. Right.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
And that’s totally what this was about. This wasn’t about him actually trying to get New York. This was about him sending a message to the rest of the country, especially the battleground states. Look who Donald Trump is. He can go into the heart of New York City. He can sell out Madison Square Garden instantly. And everybody knows New York City. Everybody knows Madison Square Garden. And it becomes a wow. Trump has way more momentum than maybe I thought he did.
John Rush (Host) :
Bob, I want to shift just a moment to the pre-born, mainly because I wanted to ask the question, too, which we’ll get into. You’ve got some polling data that I want you to get into as soon as you talk about pre-born. I also want to talk about the whole abortion topic. is that something that’s going to play into even some of the data that you’re going to give out in a moment? In other words, is the abortion topic itself, which, by the way, that’s really all the left has to talk about, because besides turning the page, which I have no idea what they’re turning the page on, their own administration, I have the foggiest idea what that term even means, but at the end of the day, do you feel like abortion is having any kind of a significant impact on those middle-of-the-road battleground state voters?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Not as much as the Democrats were hoping that it would. I think we need to recognize when Roe v. Wade was overturned that, yes, there was some backlash from independent swing voters and soccer moms who lean toward the quote unquote pro-choice side. And that’s one of the things that I do think kept the red wave from happening in 2022. But it’s two years later. And most Americans have just accepted the fact that Roe v. Wade is overturned. And so now those swing voters are like, OK, that’s kind of old news. But for right now, I care about my pocketbook. I care what I’m spending at the grocery store and filling up my tank. And I care about security in the border. And so they can now focus on other things. And Democrats have desperately tried to make abortion front and center in everybody’s mind this year. It’s just not front and center like it was in 2022. So in that regard, I do believe that the abortion issue hasn’t helped the Democrats as much as they wanted it to. But nothing changes the fact that we still, as believers in Christ, we still need to do everything we can to stop abortions to save babies’ lives. And that’s why you hear us talk in every podcast about about supporting preborn, giving to preborn. Because remember, preborn, they’re the main group that shows ultrasound images of unborn babies in pro-life centers all across the country. And when a mom sees a picture of her unborn baby, That’s the first time she’s ever seen what her baby looks like. Statistically, she almost always chooses life. And she usually accepts Jesus Christ as Savior, too. So this is a big deal, showing ultrasound images to expectant moms. But it does take money to do that. So we’re asking everybody in the audience right now to do one of two things. Either A, buy. buy an ultrasound machine, or B, pay for an individual number of ultrasounds. Because either way, you’re saving babies’ lives. If you buy an ultrasound machine, they’re $15,000 a piece, be a nice tax write-off for you for 2024. But your forever legacy will be that you literally stopped thousands and thousands of abortions. You saved thousands of babies’ lives. That’s what that 15 grand will do. And every single penny, goes to ultrasound machines, not a penny for overhead. Now, for everybody else, you know, I can’t buy an ultrasound machine. Okay, pay for a certain number of individual ultrasound images because $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So pray about the number of baby’s lives you’d be willing to save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, That is your gift. That is your legacy to pre-born. And again, 100% of what you give goes to fund the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. But then you get to say, here’s how many abortions we stopped in our family. And maybe it’s a nice tax write-off for you too. So here’s how you give. Go online right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. You can give right there. Or you can give over the phone to a real-life person, 833-850-BABY. And the answer to the phone is 24-7. So call anytime, 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And, John, we sure appreciate people doing this.
John Rush (Host) :
No, we do. And guys, yeah, put your money where your mouth is. Give to pre-born. We and they and the unborn appreciate it greatly, by the way. It’s an old Reagan saying, the only buddy that believes in abortion are people that have already been born. So I’ll leave it at that, Bob. So true. Polling data. Tell us what things are like across the country.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Well, now that you got me thinking about Ronald Reagan. Well, Nancy and I. OK, here’s where we saw a little bit of inside baseball. But let me go through some of the polling data right now where we stand at this point. As of this morning, Wednesday morning, October 30th, regarding the election, first of all. You have the RealClearPolitics average of polls. For people who aren’t familiar, it’s the RCP average. And this is the average of all of the national polls that are taken because sometimes you get outliers. Some poll will have Donald Trump up five points. Another poll will have Kamala Harris up five points. It’s like, okay, sometimes you get a freakish poll that’s not really accurate, okay, an anomaly. But the RealClearPolitics average takes all the polls, lumps them together, gets an average, and it’s a much more realistic picture. Now, what’s important for people to understand about RealClearPolitics average is that since this is an average of all the main national polls, most of the national polls are done from liberal media organizations. Your average liberal media organization tends to poll more heavily for the Democrats. They poll more Democrats than they do Republicans, and that’s the reason why when you look at the RealClearPolitics average of polls in previous elections, usually Republicans The Republican ends up getting at least one or two, if not three more points in the actual vote than the polls showed that they were going to get. OK, so that’s important to remember. With that said, let’s go back to 2016. In 2016, on this very day, October 30th, 2016, in the real clear average of average of all the polls, Hillary Clinton was leading by 4.3 percent, 4.3 percent. Now, she ended up winning the popular vote by 2.1%. So it was about double for her what it really was. Then we go to 2020. In 2020, Joe Biden won the popular vote by 4.5%. However, on this very day, the RealClearPolitics average had Joe Biden up 7.9%. points, okay? So 3.4 points extra for Trump than what the polls actually showed. So with that said, now we look at today. As of this morning, October 30th, the RealClearPolitics average of polls, you’re wondering how far up is Kamala Harris? She’s down 0.4 percent. Trump is actually up almost a half a point in the average of all the polls across America today. And If the polls are just as wrong as they were in 2020 and in 2016, that means Trump is slated to win the popular vote by probably two and a half or three points. And if he wins the popular vote, he absolutely wins the Electoral College vote because the Electoral College vote is harder for Republicans to win than the popular vote. So there’s some basic inside politics about the national. Now, let me shift it over to the battleground states. Seven free battleground states.
John Rush (Host) :
How do you put into consideration 2020-2022, where the polling was off because of the topic of abortion?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
How do you factor that in? I tend to think that that was just an anomaly because of the abortion issue. Now, in all fairness, it is possible that the polling right now is actually skewed in favor of Kamala Harris and not in favor of Donald Trump. I’d be very surprised if that’s the case. CNN’s data analyst is trying to claim that that’s what it is. But, you know, I’d be very shocked. So I do think 2022 was an anomaly because of the abortion issue. Usually in presidential elections, the polls skew heavily for the Democrats.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Skewed how towards Kamala? What do you mean by that? That they’re only polling women in liberal states or something?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
So how the polls could be off is if for some crazy reason all of these national polls decided we’re actually going to ask an equal number of Democrats or an equal number of Republicans. Or maybe it’s a case where the independent swing voters are and they’re not really sure, but they’re telling the polling people, I’m kind of leaning toward Trump. But then by time they get into the booth over the next few days, they’re like, I don’t know. I just don’t like Trump. I’m going to go for Kamala anyway. And so it is possible that that could be happening en masse. But I don’t really think that that’s the case. And so with that being said, my best guess is and it’s a crazy prediction, but I think that Donald Trump is going to win the popular vote. And if he wins the popular vote, he’s very clearly easily going to win the electoral college vote. We’ll see. He’s certainly slated, I would argue, to win it right now.
Neil Boron (Host) :
So what are the numbers in the swing states?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Well, there’s seven key battleground states that are going to decide the election. Those states are Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and Michigan, my home state of Michigan. Well, again, when we look at the RealClearPolitics average of polls in 2016 and in 2020, Trump was losing every single one of these swing states. OK. And he was actually losing by several percentage points. OK. Yet in 2016, he won most of these swing states. And in 2020, he, quote unquote, lost but by a hair of these swing states. However, right now, the average of all of those swing states, Trump is up 1.0%. And the numbers as of this morning are and this is this is the average of all of the statewide polls in those individual states. OK, so Arizona, Trump right now is averaging up 2.5 in Nevada, up 0.5 in Wisconsin, up 0.6 in Michigan. Kamala Harris is now up 0. But yesterday, Trump was up 0.1 in Michigan. So they are truly neck and neck. Pennsylvania, Trump is up 0.6. North Carolina, 1.0. Georgia, 2.4. There’s actually a poll actually just today.
John Rush (Host) :
USA Today has Michigan tied.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Okay, you know, it doesn’t surprise me. So that probably edges down the Michigan lead for Kamala Harris from .5 to maybe .4 or maybe .3. And by the way, there happens to be a really freakish anomalous Kamala by five points poll that was in Michigan, and that’s factored into that. And I think that’s anomalous. So that .5 is not a true .5 for her. But we’ve got to remember – If this election is the same – if the polls are the same now as they were in 2020, as they were in 2016, and as they are in virtually every presidential election, then you have to add a couple points to Trump to any one of these, which suggests, I would argue, that right now Trump is on pace to take all seven swing states. And if he takes all seven swing states – He wins 312 to 226, I believe it is. 312 to 226. And if he loses Michigan, and at this point that’s the only one that he’s kind of in danger of losing, if he loses Michigan, he still wins 297 to 241. And he’s got another 27 points to spare that he can lose one or two more of these swing states. So at this point, I think there’s a lot of reason to be optimistic that Trump not only wins, that we know that he’s won by Wednesday morning. Just a question.
Neil Boron (Host) :
If that happens. How do they describe the meltdown? What do you hear from Democrats about that? What do you hear from the media? Because, you know, two impeachments, four indictments, two assassination attempts. Every single secular media outlet has been anti-Trump for years now. And it’s really gotten bad more recently. I can’t even hardly watch ABC News. I do it because I want to know what the other side has to say. But, I mean, it’s unbelievable the taint that they put on stories spinning however they want to to make Trump look horrible and Kamala look like the messiah. Either way, how do they explain that? Because if what you’re describing happens, there’s going to be a nuclear meltdown.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
By the way, can I just say – Go ahead, Bob. I’m sorry. Real quick, John. Then give me just a second here. Go ahead. I’ve been playing for my audience something that I think a lot of people forget about, get amnesia about. After Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 – I’ve been playing for my audience a montage of various news reports from ABC, NBC, CBS of riots breaking out in cities all across the country. Violence, rioting, and everything else from a bunch of angry Democrats that don’t like the fact that they lost the election. This wasn’t just… Democrats sitting in the street looking up and howling at the moon with tears running down their face. There was actual violence and fires being set and police being attacked and all kind of stuff. And people have gotten amnesia to this. OK, when when Trump, quote unquote, lost in 2020. You didn’t have riots all across the country. You had one place at the Capitol where a couple of hundred knuckleheads, John, stormed the Capitol. It only lasted a couple of hours. They didn’t shoot anybody. They didn’t kill anybody. They didn’t point a gun at anybody. They didn’t set a single fire. They were still wrong. But you had a couple hundred idiots who got angry for a couple of hours and pushed their way past police, and it was over in a couple of hours. And nothing in any city anywhere else in America, unlike 2016, when the left had a meltdown and rioted. So big difference. I think to answer your question, Neil, I think we’ll see the same kind of rioting again that we saw in 2016. I think it’s going to be worse.
Neil Boron (Host) :
No, I don’t think so. I think it’s going to be worse. I disagree. So we’re talking… You really think there’s going to be a peaceful transition of power? Not peaceful, but I don’t think… People like Chuck Schumer are going to go, oh, look, there’s the president.
John Rush (Host) :
I don’t think it’ll be as bad. The only reason I say that, guys, it’s not going to be as bad as it was in 2016. This is my prediction. And the reason why I say that is there’s been several articles out of late where… Some key inside Democrats have actually, believe it or not, I think literally have said, you know what? It’s not that big of a deal. We can handle a Donald Trump presidency. There are people, even there was a great article in the Wall Street Journal this past week about some of the key leaders of some of those protests that Bob was talking about a moment ago that basically have said, you know what? We’re out of that game. We’re not doing that anymore. We’re sitting on the sidelines just watching. There’s even some of the organizations that are known for protesting in general that are split. They don’t even know what they’re doing internally. I mean, right now the Democrat Party is in a mess. Doesn’t mean there won’t be some rioting and things that happen, but will it be as orchestrated and organized as 2016? I predict no.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Because it’s a wait and see. I can’t imagine for a minute that from the teddy bear huggers to the people lighting fires and rioting in the streets, I think it’s going to be off the rails if Trump wins, especially by a landslide. How do they explain it then? They’ve tried to create a narrative that says no sane person would ever vote for this guy. And if they do, then their entire narrative has been blown to shreds.
John Rush (Host) :
Go ahead, Bob.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
No, to Neil’s point, they have already branded – they have doubled down on the fact that this is not just a conservative we disagree with. This is Hitler, a fascist. It’s the end of democracy. This is the kind of – he’s going to shred the Constitution. He’s going to destroy Social Security. He’s going to have a national abortion ban. He will be a dictator from day one, and there will be no more future elections. Right. This is the language that the Democrats have been using now. So, yeah, look, I’m with Neil on this. I think you’re going to get a lot of people that will believe this actually really is the end of democracy. And we have just, quote unquote, elected the next Adolf Hitler for America. I do believe it’s going to be a crazy meltdown and it’s going to be the fault of the left for the dangerous game that they’re playing right now with their rhetoric.
John Rush (Host) :
Speaking of national abortion ban, pre-born, Bob, because number one, I don’t see Donald Trump doing that. That’s another fear tactic that the left is throwing out there. It’s not going to happen. But talk about pre-born.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Absolutely. You know, you hear us talking about it all the time, folks. Preborn National Pro-Life Group, they’re the main group that shows ultrasound images in pro-life centers across the country. That’s what causes the moms to choose life. They don’t go across the street to Planned Parenthood when they see a picture of their baby. So what we need to do is we need to pay for as many ultrasound images as possible. And save babies lives. It’s really that simple. So what we’re asking for two different groups of people in the audience. One group that can buy ultrasound machines for $15,000 a piece. The other group that can pay for an individual amount of ultrasound images. If you can buy an ultrasound machine, they’re 15 grand apiece, nice tax write-off for you coming up the end of the year, you know your forever legacy will be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions. I mean, you get to spend the rest of your life realizing we’re responsible, our family, our business, for saving thousands and thousands of babies’ lives. Is that worth 15 grand and a nice tax write-off for you? 100%, every penny goes to the ultrasound machines, not a penny for overhead, okay, with pre-borns. Now, for everybody else, we need you to pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. You’re paying for an individual number of babies’ lives to be saved. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So pray about a number of babies’ lives you’ll save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. And whatever that number is, that’s your forever legacy of the amount of abortions you stopped, the amount of babies’ lives that you saved, maybe in your family. So… And same thing, 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. So whichever camp you’re in, we need you right now to go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there. Or if you want to give over the phone, the answer to the phone is 24-7. You can talk to a real-life person. Call right now, 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. We appreciate you folks doing that.
John Rush (Host) :
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John Rush (Host) :
Welcome back. Second half, National Crawford Roundtable. Myself, Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan. The Bob Duco Show. Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron Live. Okay, guys, after all of that and differences of opinions as to what may happen after the election if Donald Trump wins, we’ll see how that all pans out and maybe our next podcast a week from now. I’m not sure we’ll have all of the answers, but if it goes the way Bob’s saying, I think we will have the answers by Wednesday morning because I think it’ll be very clear as to what’s going on and I think… At that point, we will have those answers as to who our actual next president will be. Let’s talk about the mail vote, though. And this is something that I talked about yesterday. I think this is an area that the Democrats are in panic mode for lots of reasons. But one of them is they’ve not only forgotten the mail vote. I don’t think forget’s the right word, guys. They have ostracized and pushed away the mail vote. And they’ve done it through all sorts of things they’ve been doing over the past decade. decade plus from transgenderism to you know toxic masculinity to on and on we go and this is a question for both of you because i’ve grown up in the church as you guys know neil you have bob you kind of did but not till later in life and here’s the question i’ve got i think i’m gonna start with you neil are the democrats doing to men what the church did years ago
Neil Boron (Host) :
Well, how so? Define what you mean by what the church did.
John Rush (Host) :
In a lot of ways, the church has become so feminized, and in some ways, not every church, but globally, churches in general, have pushed men away. They feminize the church, and they make it to where, in a lot of cases, some men just don’t feel comfortable even sitting in the pew. In fact, most Father’s Day messages are how bad dad is, not how good dad is, and on and on we go. I mean, The whole promise keepers movement, which, by the way, I was a part of that one as well. It was a if men will just do what they’re supposed to do, everything in life goes well. You know, the marriage is great and so on and so forth. They’re forgetting about the female counterpart at times. My point is, in a lot of ways, men have been beaten up in the church. Now the left is doing the exact same thing by beating up men and they’re losing their vote in the process, just like the church lost a lot of male attendees over the years, Neal.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Yeah, I don’t know that I would have ever equated the two, except I basically understand what you’re describing. I’m not sure I agree with all of it. I mean, one example would be that I have friends who came to Christ during Promise Keepers, and they’re 100% USDA beef.
John Rush (Host) :
Absolutely. So, I mean, there was great— Yeah, and I’m saying this more general than specifically, and there’s always outliers, churches even, where they’re not the description that I just— I just explained, although I think the church in general is very feminine rather than masculine.
Neil Boron (Host) :
I agree. And who do you see leading a lot of churches? I mean, maybe not mega churches because you see huge leadership teams and stuff, and it appears as though a lot of men are involved as elders and as key staff members and as lead pastors.
John Rush (Host) :
that kind of thing but in smaller churches you know you’ve got women running the missions committee and the sunday school superintendent and you know the secretary but like the point is that i mean really quick even the even the decor internally is very feminine and i’m not saying that it shouldn’t be or should be although we serve a masculine god yeah a masculine savior and in my opinion a masculine holy spirit so why is everything feminized
Neil Boron (Host) :
Well, I don’t know, but it’s been a mistake. I agree with you because I remember being in a worship service one time when they said, you know, let’s all sing the song that they’ll know we are Christians by our love. Hold the hand of your neighbor, please. There’s some guy standing next to me like, I don’t know who he is. I don’t want to hold his hand. And that may not be very masculine of me to say that, but I’m telling you, as a male, I reacted like I think most males would. Well, I’m not going to hold that guy’s hand because I don’t really know who he is.
John Rush (Host) :
And by the way, I don’t disagree with that.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Yeah. But I mean, and I think honestly, just because Donald Trump, call me a sexist or whatever you want to call me. I’m just stating that I think because Donald Trump is a male, he’s more appealing to men. And I think all of the stuff about Kamala, I think men are suspect like they’ve seen before. powerful women trying to grab power that doesn’t rightfully belong to them. But should women be in leadership roles? Yeah. But there’s this sort of subtle, hey, we need to elevate women to the place of men because men have been doing it wrong. We’ve got to push men aside. Only women know how to do stuff. And all of this has been done because men are bad and they want ultimately to dominate women, so we have to excuse them. By the way, you didn’t mention Hollywood, but think about the Archie Bunker kind of character.
John Rush (Host) :
Absolutely.
Neil Boron (Host) :
The man is always the buffoon. Movies portray this.
John Rush (Host) :
Even if he’s the business guy, he’s the evil businessman that’s out to destroy the world. I mean, everything that you just said, Neil, from not only the church side, but Hollywood and so on, is that. Now, another question, Bob, I’m going to throw this to you.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Wait, wait, before you go on, before you go on, let me just say that I think this plays into the idea of the bully mentality. Like, I think that men are attracted to that to say, look, it’s at least somebody speaks their mind. Somebody has the backbone. Somebody has the cojones to say what they actually think in their mind. And they’re attracted to it. Now, some aren’t. Some might be repulsed by it. But I think overall that Donald Trump is more appealing to men for that reason.
John Rush (Host) :
So, Bob, then the question is, did the church do that because of the infiltration of Marxism in the church itself, or was that just a natural progression in the church? In other words, I’m kind of describing, you know, the left is now acting like the church, or has the left been acting like the left all along and they infiltrated the church?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
I think they’ve infiltrated the church, frankly. And personally, I do see this as a spiritual thing. The God-created roles and distinctions between male and female. Satan likes to undo and blur anything that God creates. God creates sexuality, and Satan perverts it. God creates marriage, and Satan perverts it. God creates male and female. Satan perverts it. So he wants to pervert and undo anything that God has done. And I would argue that that’s a lot of what the masculinity versus femininity of men and women that God established, society and culture wants to, and with Satan working through them, wants to blur those lines and alter that. And I do believe that it’s crept its way into the church. Frankly, I couldn’t agree with you more, John, in the premise of your question that I do believe that the church is buying into this, and they’ve been doing this for decades now, feminizing the gospel message. Look, I used to be part of Promise Keepers, too, and they turned into Promise Weepers, and there comes a point where it’s like masculinity has been turned into a pejorative. That’s been turned into something that’s quote-unquote toxic, okay? Men are supposed to be masculine. Women are supposed to be feminine. And that’s what’s being lost. Even the way that we present the gospel. Look at the worship songs that we sing in the churches today. How many of the worship songs are you—it’s as though they’re being written by women for female products in TV commercials, okay? Mm-hmm. And I’m not saying that there’s nothing—I’m not saying it’s not legitimate to sing about Jesus, lover of my soul, okay? But in all fairness, that’s not how you’re averaging guys.
John Rush (Host) :
How about singing Jesus, conqueror of all?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
That’s right. Exactly. Onward, Christian soldiers. There’s verbiage that applies more to men and resonates more with men. There’s verbiage that resonates more with women. And when we use in our messages, in our sermons, in our worship song selections, when we use language that resonates more with women, We shouldn’t be surprised when we sit around scratching our heads going, how come the church is like 80% of the women and the men are just staying at home saying, you know what, it’s not relevant to me, and if I do get dragged to church, I’ll fall asleep. Yeah, so you know what? Let’s make the – I’m not saying that we turn the gospel into an MMA match feel, okay? But what I am saying is let’s have both sides. Let’s have equal value to Jesus, you’re the lover of my soul, and – Jesus, as we fight for you and onward Christian soldiers as ambassadors for Christ, standing on responsibility, duty, honor, strength, power.
John Rush (Host) :
Protection, all that.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Awesome and mighty God. That’s right. This is the kind of language that resonates with men. And so we can’t be surprised. I don’t know why we’re having such a hard time reaching Generation Z young men. Well… There you go.
John Rush (Host) :
All right. Speaking of the and that goes into the abortion topic as well, Bob, because not that it’s not a female topic because it is. I can’t birth. I can’t have a baby. None of the three of us can. On the same token, I’m to be protective of all, including the unborn. That is my God given male duty. I am supposed to be the protector, Bob.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
God made us warriors. He made us protectors. And that is our job. And you know something? To the men, and yes, look, I know that women, they have a protective nature about them too. Any mama bear will protect her cub. Absolutely. And so we get that. But this is something that both of us need to recognize. We have vulnerable babies that are being butchered and slaughtered inside the womb while they’re sucking their thumbs inside. And we can do something about it. We can change that mom’s life. We can change her mind by showing her an ultrasound image of her unborn baby. If she sees a picture of her baby, then chances are she chooses life statistically. And she usually accepts the Lord too. So what we need to do is pay for as many ultrasound images as we possibly can. And you do this through Preborn. Preborn is the main pro-life group that shows ultrasound images to unborn babies all across the country in pro-life centers. So there’s two ways to save babies’ lives. On a larger scale, buy ultrasound machines. They’re $15,000 a piece. If you can buy an ultrasound machine, it’s a nice tax write-off for you coming up on the end of the year. And your forever legacy will be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions, okay? And 100% of… Everything you give goes to the ultrasound machine, not a penny for overhead. Now, for everybody else who’s like, well, I can’t afford to buy an ultrasound machine. Okay, fine. Pay for individual ultrasounds because that way you can save a certain number of babies’ lives. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So how many abortions would you be willing to stop? Take $28 times, fill in the blank, and whatever that number is, that’s your forever legacy of the amount of babies’ lives you saved. And again, 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. So whichever side you’re in, by the ultrasound machine or individual ultrasounds, we need you right now to go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there or you can give over the phone to a real live person and they answer the phones 24-7. So call 877, I’m sorry, call 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. And just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. We appreciate you folks doing that. And by the way, John, let me just say on a side note, I’m hoping, I don’t know if we’re going to get time, but this is the last podcast before final election day. I’m hoping we get time to talk about Christians who don’t vote or Christians who vote third party because they have a candidate that they think is better equipped than Donald Trump and more Christian friendly than Donald Trump. That’s something that really makes my eye twitch.
John Rush (Host) :
Yeah, we can get into that. Let’s finish up on the whole mail vote end of things. And again, the question that I asked earlier was, you know, have the Democrats done the same thing that the church has done? And so let’s move into the actual Democrat playbook. Again, it’s not just that they have forgotten the male vote. In fact, you’ve got the Obamas running around really demanding, which, by the way, you can never demand someone’s vote. Huge mistake. Shows you the Democrats are in panic mode because you can’t demand a vote from anyone. They’re liable to go do the exact opposite because you actually did that. But it’s not only the young black male vote, guys. It is, in my opinion, a lot of males, male in general. And yet they’ve teamed up with Tim Walz, who, by the way, is about the opposite of masculinity as you could ever get. I mean, Bob, what is the left thinking? Or is it just that they hate masculinity so much that this is what they’re doing and at the same time chasing male voters away?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Well, this is going to be very uncharitable to the left, but I’m going to go back to the spiritual battle that they think this is. I think darkness is offended by the light. I think that a darkened world hates anything that God establishes. And God establishes male and female, masculine and feminine. And so I think that Satan is working through a lot of the left, a lot of the Marxist left. And part of that is… let’s try to make men less masculine, let’s make women less feminine, and let’s try to bring them together into some kind of homogenous human, if you will. And in doing that, that’s what I think the left, frankly, I think they’re being played by Satan and being used as a tool that we somehow see masculinity as a bad thing. So let’s take the man and and let’s try to female him up as best we can. And let’s consider it a bad thing if that little boy is automatically playing with G.I. Joes, and let’s see it as a good thing if he’s playing with a little princess kitchenette set. And so this is something that I think they intrinsically feel on the left, and I don’t think they realize that those feelings are being influenced spiritually, in my honest opinion.
John Rush (Host) :
Neil, what are your thoughts? And again, I agree everything that Bob just said, by the way, because it’s not only a let’s forget about the male vote. No, we hate masculinity. We hate men. We hate the quote unquote toxic masculinity, which I’ve never understood that term, by the way. I just thought the way my dad raised me is you’re just supposed to be a man. You know, firm handshake. You do manly things. You have a manly voice. You have a manly walk. I mean, everything you do involves something manly. I guess it’s just how I was raised. And I guess, Neil, my dad did it wrong.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Oh, yeah, I absolutely made a huge mistake. I mean, look at how you turned out, John. Seriously. No, I’m with you on it. I’m with you, and I think that the vast majority of American males feel exactly the same way. By the way, it’s similar. I just want to include this thought before I forget, that I think that a vast majority of the American people Ultimately, having seen the Biden administration in action with all of the transgender stuff and the attempt to strip parents of their rights and the radical pro-abortion progressive stuff, the Green New Deal, everything’s about climate change. They’ve seen this excess, you know, liberal progressive kind of mindset. And I think the vast majority of the American people are starting to say this is nuts. This is crazy. Why are we living this way? So my point in this, I simply wanted to say that I really think there’s a lot of people that in their heart are going to vote, they want to, and secretly are going to vote for Trump. They just don’t want to talk about it. I agree. So it’s very possible, as you said earlier, Bob, those polls, we’re going to see like a landslide victory for Trump. I could be totally wrong.
John Rush (Host) :
I just sense it. No, I think in one of the ways I’ve explained it on air is, number one, I think both of you guys are 100% correct. I also feel like a lot of male voters, not just the young black male vote, but the male voters in general, I’m going to say this as nicely as I can, They’re tired of being put down by women, and that’s all Kamala Harris does on a routine basis. And these guys, they’ve got influence. They’ve got a mom. They’ve got a wife. They’ve got an ex-wife, a girlfriend, an ex-girlfriend, whatever the case may be. They may even have somebody that they’re talking about how they’re going to vote that they know that if they said they’re going to vote for Donald Trump, they would never hear the end of it. My feeling is these guys are going to climb. Well, and how does the average American male, just whether they’re Christian or not, just like the true-blooded average American male, how do they relate to the Dr. Rachel Levine’s of the world? And then who was the guy with the lipstick that stole the suitcase?
Neil Boron (Host) :
Oh, yeah. You know what I’m talking about?
John Rush (Host) :
Yes.
Neil Boron (Host) :
These people in the administration that were all of a sudden front and center wearing dresses and lipstick and stuff, I just think that the men anyway rolled their eyes and go, I don’t want any part of that. That’s crazy. And I think it’s going to come back to haunt them in this election.
John Rush (Host) :
Bob, your thoughts?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
Well, look, I think Neil is probably right about this. I’ve got to imagine that there’s going to be some pushback, some blowback to this. One of the things, I think it was Neil that mentioned this earlier, I can’t remember, but about Donald Trump, one of the reasons that I think Donald Trump appeals to men especially is because they kind of look at him as a man’s man. He’s an alpha male. Yeah. I mean, he’s like, and by the way, you know, here’s a guy who gets shot in the ear, comes an inch away from dying, and instead of curling up in a fetal position, stands up with blood running down his face and pumps his fist and says, fight, fight, fight. There are a lot of men who look at that. not hardcore MAGA men, not even Republican guys, but just there’s men that at least recognize, hey, I’m a man and I want to be a man and I don’t want to wear pink shoes, that look at that and go, you know what? I can respect that. I can respect somebody who’s blunt and direct and calls it the way that it is and isn’t talking to me through some political filter because I look at Kamala and And I don’t know if she really believes anything that she says, but when I look at Trump, whatever comes out of his mouth, whether I agree or disagree, the guy’s being authentic. Who he is on the inside is who he says he is on the outside, and guys like that.
John Rush (Host) :
Add to that not only Walsh, but look at Kamala’s husband as well. I mean, no offense, neither one of these guys exude the same thing Donald Trump does.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Well, I think Walls was selected to represent the American male. Like, you know, he’s a hunter. He can’t load a shotgun. A football player, you know, or at least he coached football, whatever. I think that the attempt was, let’s get a guy on there that could appeal to dudes, and I think he absolutely does not. You’re right about that. But let me say something else, too, and this is going to be – I hope people hear exactly what I’m saying because I hope it comes out right. But – I think men can also relate to Donald Trump’s mistakes. Here’s a guy who’s been married multiple times. Nobody’s endorsing that. Accused of sexual assault. Make what you want of it. The point is he’s been held out there. The guy clearly has made mistakes in his life, and I think that the average male… says I can relate to a guy who’s made mistakes in his life, but he’s still standing on his own two feet. He’s still pushing forward in his life, and there’s something masculine about that. Hopefully, you know, he’s corrected those things in his life, and he’s moving forward. But there’s something actually masculine about that as well. I’m not endorsing it. I’m just saying I think that also is appealing to men.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
I got to say, too, but real quick, regarding Donald Trump, the accusations against him of sexual assault, if you look at every single one of those, they crumble under any kind of intellectual scrutiny, okay? What I do think is fair to accuse him of is being a womanizing playboy billionaire, a sleazy womanizing playboy billionaire. Yes, he was. As Christians, we certainly don’t condone that, certainly not. But he also said, I’m walking away from that old life, and I’m trading them all in for a new bunch of friends. And my new bunch of friends I want to associate with are born-again evangelical Christians, pastors, and pro-lifers. And I think we ought to applaud him for that, rough edges and all.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Okay, one last thing. The locker room talk stuff? I don’t endorse it, I don’t condone it, but what true-blooded male hasn’t listened to or participated in or snickered at locker room talk? All I’m saying is it’s where the rubber meets the road. That’s why he appeals to men.
John Rush (Host) :
So that goes back to the whole Christian vote you were talking about earlier, Bob, and how this plays into it, because there’s some Christians out there listening saying, well, geez, how in the world can you vote for a guy that’s like that? How can you vote for a guy that even tried to overturn the last election? And yeah, he’s a playboy, and yeah, he’s this, and yeah, he’s that. And I get so sick of hearing some of that at times, Bob, I just want to pull my hair out. The reality is… Folks, number one, I’m hiring this guy to work for me. Number two, a lot of that stuff is in the past. Some of the stuff that he’s been accused of, Bob, guys, has been 20, 30 years ago. Tell me none of you out there listening haven’t made those mistakes, not the same ones, but haven’t made mistakes, what Neil was saying a moment ago, 20, 30 years ago. Bob, how do we get through some of these knucklehead Christians that have every excuse under the sun not to vote for the guy?
Bob Dutko (Host) :
They have to recognize if you look at the policies of the two people, if you’re willing to look at the policies of the two people, whose policies are going to benefit your neighbor versus hurt your neighbor? Because remember, Jesus summed up the commandments. Number one, we love the Lord our God, right? God with everything. Okay, our strength, soul, mind. But We also love our neighbor as ourselves. And so if you have a say in what the laws are going to be that affect your neighbor, what the judges are going to be that are going to rule in cases involving your neighbor, you have a chance to either help your neighbor or hurt your neighbor in areas of parental rights, their child being taken by a third party for gender mutilation surgery against their parents’ wishes, the unborn baby next door being butchered all the way up to nine months of pregnancy. I mean, the daughter… being traumatized by a man coming into the bathroom, locker room, or shower. These are real issues, not to mention the taxes for your neighbor, the security and safety for your neighbor, and everything else. So you have a say in what the laws are going to be for your neighbor next door. And for the person who says, well, okay, of the two policies, I certainly agree with Trump’s policies more than I do Kamala Harris’s policies. But since I can’t stand him personally, I’m just not going to vote at all. There is no such thing mathematically as being neutral in this election. You cannot do it because if your viewpoint is more conservative than liberal, if you don’t give a vote to Donald Trump, and you give it to a third party or you just stay at home, you have mathematically given a vote to Kamala Harris. Because when you have your next door neighbor with the Kamala Harris sign on his yard, go out and vote for Kamala Harris, if you voted for Trump, you would have canceled out his vote. However, by you not voting for Trump, staying home or voting third party, your neighbor’s Kamala Harris vote is now not matched, which means that becomes mathematically one net gain vote for Kamala Harris. So when people say to me, Bob, you want to stand before the Lord and explain to him why you voted for the lesser of two evils? I say, do you want to stand before the Lord and explain why you gave one extra vote to the greater of two evils? OK, no, you cannot stay neutral. You are either giving a vote to Kamala Harris or or you’re canceling out your neighbor’s Kamala Harris vote. Those are your only two choices. It’s simple mathematics, John.
John Rush (Host) :
That’s right. Yeah, there is no sense in looking at it any other way, writing in your own name, writing in your neighbor’s name, doing stupid things that I’ve seen all over the Internet, which really are just stupid, because, Bob, to your point, they’re not thinking about this correctly, and especially those of you that are listening to us that live in these swing states we were talking about in the first half. It’s imperative… that you guys do the things that Bob just said a moment ago. I guess myself here in Colorado, Bob, at the end of the day, chances of Donald Trump winning Colorado are pretty slim. On the same token, I’m still filling in the blank for Donald Trump. I’m not going to write in some other obscure name or do something stupid and vote for one of the other eight people that were on my particular ballot here in Colorado because at the end of the day, I still want to show that support for Donald Trump because he’s the guy that I feel at the end of the day will serve this country better than the other side. And by the way, anybody else that’s on that particular ballot as well. And that’s what you’re doing with your vote, which for some odd reason, I don’t understand why Christians can’t understand that. Neil, we’ve got to do pre-born here in just a minute. I’ll give you a couple of minutes. Go ahead, Neil.
Neil Boron (Host) :
Well, one of the things that I’ve struggled with over the last few years, really, is we’ve talked about all this kind of stuff, and maybe even longer than that, but the idea of Christians voting for, quote, the lesser of two evils. And I’ll tell you why I struggle with it, because where in the Bible do we see any indication that as Christians we should choose less sin over more sin? Hey, if you’re going to sin, at least choose less sin rather than more sin. That equation doesn’t make sense in my head. But I was listening to Allie Beth Stuckey the other day. She was speaking to students at the Liberty Convocation, and she said something that really helped me clarify in my own head why what you guys are talking about is how we need to think about this. And it has to do with the fact that there is no perfect person. There’s none righteous, not even one. All of us have sinned. All of us have gone astray. There will never be an election with a perfect person running against a non-perfect person. The only perfect person is Jesus. So in every election, if we’re going to participate in our government, we will be voting for a sinner who has made horrific mistakes. Somehow or another, we have to ask the Holy Spirit to help us understand which one of the candidates best represents biblical values, stands for truth and righteousness, etc. There is no perfect candidate, but which one best represents, and I think we need to do it on that basis. And I’m more comfortable thinking about it that way.
John Rush (Host) :
Bob, real quick, pre-born, let’s finish off with them.
Bob Dutko (Host) :
You bet. And by the way, can I just say one thing real quick? For those who say, yeah, but I can’t vote for the lesser of two evils, unless Jesus Christ is on the ballot, everybody you vote for is going to be, to a certain degree, a lesser of the evils, okay? It’s greater of the good, lesser of the evil. simultaneously. So let’s not kid ourselves. But let’s face it, folks, we have an opportunity to save babies’ lives through Preborn. And so if you haven’t given already, please do it now. Just call 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. They answer the phones 24-7. And just say, I want to give to pre-born. I want to save some babies’ lives right now. And here’s how you give. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So pray about the number of babies’ lives you’ll be willing to save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. You’re paying for the ultrasound images, folks. $28 times fill in the blank, and that’s your gift to pre-born. Maybe it’s a nice tax write-off for you, too. That’s your forever legacy, the amount of abortions you stopped. For everybody else, if you can buy an ultrasound machine, they’re 15 grand apiece. We need some of you to do that. They’re a nice tax write-off for you at the end of the year. And your forever legacy is you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions. So whether you’re stopping an individual number of abortions, or thousands and thousands. Either way, give to Preborn. Call right now, 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And if you want to just give online, you can go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. Everything you give goes to ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. So 100% to the ultrasounds.
John Rush (Host) :
And we appreciate you folks doing that, John. Appreciate you guys very much. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, Neil Boron, Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. And guys, I really appreciate it very much. We’ll find out in a week in our next podcast how things actually go as far as the election is concerned. Get out there and vote. And please, all of you Christians, vote for Donald Trump. Go, Trump, go. I’ll leave it at that, guys. Have a great rest of your day. This is the National Crawford Roundtable.
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