KLZ 560 AM DENVER'S CONSERVATIVE HOME STATION
Menu
In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, we look at the current 2024 election results.
SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast, a view of culture, current events, and politics through a biblical lens, brought to you by Preborn, saving babies and souls. Join us in the fight to save babies from abortion. Your gift provides a free ultrasound for a mother in need. 80% of the time, she will choose life. Visit CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on the Preborn logo to donate to save babies now. And now here are your hosts, Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush.
SPEAKER 02 :
Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. Myself, Bob Duco. Got John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil, prodigal son, Boron, be back with us next week. And obviously, we’re going to be talking about all things election. So, John, are you surprised? Now, we’re recording this on Wednesday morning. So there’s only so much information that we have at this point. But what we do know is that Trump has won. which is obviously great news, but he’s won. There’s some states that haven’t been officially confirmed yet. Michigan, one of them, Nevada, Arizona, and Alaska, even though it’s looking like all of these are going to go to Trump. Here in my own backyard of Michigan, we got 98% of the vote in and Trump was up 1.7%. Now that 2% that’s still out is Wayne County, which is Detroit, which is 80, 85% Democrats. So that will probably narrow in that last 2%, but I don’t think there’s going to be that many. I don’t think there’s going to be 1.7% That’s going to be closed up. So my best guess is that Trump does end up taking Michigan, which means he took the entire blue wall, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Arizona only has 60% of the vote in. How do you only have 60% of the vote in by the next day? Anyway, but Trump is up 4.7% there. And so he’s probably going to still get that. Nevada, Trump is up 4.7, 84% of the vote in. And then Alaska, 76% of the vote, but Trump’s up like 15. So my guess is that Trump sweeps Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska. And if he does that, that’s 27, 36. That’s 36 electoral college votes on top of his 277 now. So what do you got? 87, 97, 07, looks like 13, 213. So it’s probably going to finish 213 to 226. 313 to 226, probably. Meaning we’re unburdened by what has been. That was funny. It cracked me up when I saw it. I’m like, oh, I wish I would have thought of that. I got to remember to open that up with my audience today. Hey, you know what? We’re unburdened by what has been. Okay. First of all, let’s talk presidential first. We’ll talk Senate. We’ll talk House and such. But are you surprised at all that we actually know, that we actually knew basically Tuesday night?
SPEAKER 01 :
No, that I wasn’t surprised at, Bob. I was surprised at, honestly, because I was saying this yesterday, that I thought it would be a narrower victory from either side. I did think we’d know last night, you know, to a large extent, who was going to win. To your point, even this morning, there’s still some things that are outstanding. But I did say a few weeks ago even though that if Donald Trump won it would be so handily that you would know by last night what it was like it almost be a repeat of 2016 if in fact that were to happen I was really nervous yesterday I’ll be the first to admit it Bob I was not having a good feeling yesterday I don’t know why I’ve been watching everything all the way up to this point we’ve talked in the past even which we’ll get into today The not only forgotten mail vote, but the ostracized mail vote, which I believe cost them the election. I thought all of that going in. I even had a map last Friday that put him just shy of 300 that I’d sent around to a few people just confidentially that, you know, this is my thoughts on how things will turn out. And as it turned out, it wasn’t too far off. But yet I was still nervous yesterday.
SPEAKER 02 :
See, now, interestingly enough, I was confident yesterday, but as soon as the first wave of polls closed, I started getting a little bit nervous. Because the reason I was confident yesterday, before the counting started really, was because of the seven key swing states. I really felt like Trump was going to be able to take Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, and Georgia. which I’m a little bit surprised that Arizona is giving him as much trouble as it did. But I thought he was going to be able to take those for sure, which means all that’s left are the three blue wall states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. And all Trump had to do was get any one of those three And as long as he got the other four, if he got any one of those three, then he would be in. The math would be there. And so I kind of thought, she’s not going to run the table on those three. But no, what was making me nervous last night, John, was – I was basically going back and forth between Fox News and CNN. And as much as I hate, I cringe saying this, I really think that John King on CNN does a better job on the board, on the big map, than Bill Hemmer does on Fox News, because John King, he really does a good job of saying, OK, now let’s look at this particular county. All right. Now let’s look at what the percentage votes are here in this particular county. Let’s see how the suburbs are doing. Let’s compare that to where Trump was at this same time in this particular county last night. Yeah, but you know what? John King, I think, does it a little bit better than Hemmer does. I won’t watch CNN, so you’re better than me. But it’s also a chance for me to… I don’t want to get smoke blown up my skirt. And I know that CNN is going to be reporting from a perspective of, let’s give Democrats any kind of hope that we can. So I was looking for that from them. And early on… Some of the suburban areas, not the rural areas, but some of the suburban areas, which those soccer moms we talk about so much. The early reports coming in was he was underperforming against himself in 2020. And I just remember thinking, oh, if this is a bellwether for the nation, he’s going to underperform in that area. Is he going to be able to make it up with male black votes?
SPEAKER 01 :
And he ended up with mail votes, period, is what he really ended up doing. And as we talked, I think it was two podcasts, maybe three podcasts ago, and I’ve talked about it on my show pretty in depth. And guys, this is something for all of you listening. We talked about the church even a few weeks ago, Bob. This is something that the church should be paying attention to, by the way. Men are tired of being talked down to and blamed for everything on the planet. And what happened last night is the mail vote came out and finally said, I don’t want four more years of this.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s what happened.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, you know what? And I agree with you. I definitely do.
SPEAKER 01 :
And there’s a lesson for both political parties there that everybody has to be included when you start doing politics. You can’t exclude one particular group. And you definitely, as far as the left is concerned, ostracized one of their voting blocks, if you would, to the point where, Bob, I think a lot of these men came out and a lot of people thought abortion was going to be the biggest issue last night. It was a big issue. We can talk about pre-born in a minute, but it was a big issue. But on the same token, it didn’t take center stage. In fact, I think what happened is a lot of men came out and said, you know what? We realize that a lot of these issues are important. But on the same token, I’m tired of being talked down to, and I’m going to protect. I’m finally going to do what God put me on this earth to do in the first place, and that is to protect all sorts of individuals, including the unborn. And the reality is I’m going to finally take the role God gave me.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. No, you know what? I think you’re absolutely right. I do. And so, and by the way, when it comes to protecting the unborn, you folks hear us talking about pre-born all the time in this podcast. And we just want to remind everybody, okay, that you can save babies’ lives. You can protect these babies in the womb and let them be born. Do you know how you do this? You pay for ultrasound images for moms to see that first ever picture of their baby. And when they see a picture of their baby, they choose life. They don’t go across the street to Planned Parenthood. They let their baby live. They do this in pro-life centers all across the country. Preborn is the main pro-life group that has ultrasound images shown to these moms all across the country. But here’s the thing. There’s not enough ultrasound machines, folks. So there’s a lot of women out there that are not able to see ultrasound images of their baby. And you know what? A lot of them end up getting abortions. So what we need to do is get as many ultrasound machines into pro-life centers as we can. And that’s why we’re asking you in the audience right now, are there some of you that can buy an ultrasound machine? They’re $15,000 a piece. 100% of what you give goes to buy the machine, not a penny for overhead or anything else, okay? Do you know that your forever legacy will be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions over the years, okay? Saved hundreds and hundreds of babies’ lives, which by the way, 15 grand, that’s a nice tax write-off for you coming up on the end of the year, maybe for your business or your family or whatever. Now, for the rest of you, you’re like, oh, I wish I could buy an ultrasound machine for 15 grand, but I just can’t. Okay, I’m asking the rest of you to pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So how many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank, and whatever that number is, That’s your forever legacy of how many abortions you stopped. And again, 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. So whether you can buy an ultrasound machine or whether you’re paying for individual ultrasounds, either one, we need you folks to do this now. Let’s save some babies’ lives. And here’s how easy it is, okay? Just go ahead and go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. You can give right there. Or they answer the phones 24-7. So you can call anytime. Call right now and talk to a real-life person and donate that way. 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. We appreciate you folks doing that. As we continue this National Crawford Roundtable podcast, John Rush, myself, Bob Duco, we’ll have Neil Boron back with us next week. So, John, you do realize this is now officially the end of democracy. So as of last night, democracy is over, right?
SPEAKER 01 :
Is it the end of democracy or bureaucracy? Which one is it?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know, really. But, you know, think about something, though. What was Kamala’s campaign? She couldn’t run on policy.
SPEAKER 01 :
Orange man bad. That’s the only thing she had.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, exactly. She couldn’t run on her record. She couldn’t run on it. She couldn’t run on the economy, on the border, on security, on foreign policy. Nothing. All she could run on is Donald Trump is Hitler. He’s a fascist. Scare people. He’s a threat to democracy. This will be the last election because democracy won’t exist anymore. He wants to shred the Constitution. You know, just that kind of…
SPEAKER 01 :
All lies, by the way. None of that being true whatsoever. People will see that over the course of at least the next two years. It could change in 2026. We’ll talk about that a little bit today as well, I’m assuming, Bob. But at the end of the day, yeah, all lies. And double down on that. The last couple of weeks of her election, through that process, all she did was double down on all the things that you just said. And I was reading some things today from folks on the left, USA Today, by the way, being one of those, talking about how Looking back on it, those were big mistakes on the part of her campaign. She never came out and gave anybody, what’s your plan moving forward? How are you going to fix the things that you’ve actually been in charge of for the past three and a half years? I mean, let’s face it, Bob, between the economy and the mail vote, those were, I’m guessing, in the border, those three things were the biggest things that allowed Donald Trump to win as heavily as he did last night.
SPEAKER 02 :
And by the way, I trash media bias a lot. And Media Research Center did a study of ABC, NBC, and CBS newscasts from the day that Joe Biden dropped out of the race and Kamala Harris kind of took over up to present day. And it turns out of every single news story that was done about the two of them, 78% of everything reported about Kamala Harris was positive. 85% of everything reported about Donald Trump was negative. I mean, I could see if it was like, oh, you know, you criticize candidates. So 70 percent of Trump’s coverage was negative and only 50 percent of Kamala Harris’s was negative. But to have, you know, 85 percent negative versus 78 percent positive, that lopsided. Yet still, look how much he won. Can you imagine if the news media actually reported 50 percent positive, 50 percent negative for both of them? How much of a landslide victory this would have been?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, no. I mean, it was a pretty big victory as it is, including even the popular vote. I got a text message in this morning from one of my listeners, you know, what are my thoughts on that? Well, again, it goes back to what we’re talking about right now. The left, Bob, and it’s not that, you know, you could say, well, they forgot about this particular segment. It’s not even that, Bob. They literally ostracized, ran a segment of the population off to where, know you got to throw all sorts of things into it i watched you know trump’s speech last night is except acceptance speech you know dana white mma he gets up there and the left is wondering okay wait a minute how did we how did we lose this particular voter for example the young black vote or the young latino vote well then you’ve got dana white up there talking about donald trump and what a fighter he is um bob hello hello left Are you guys not seeing what’s happening in front of your very eyes? Where do you think those two segments actually watch on an ongoing basis?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. Well, you know what? There’s a lot of men in this country that they don’t want to see manhood defined as Dylan Mulvaney prancing around in high heels.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, but Budweiser learned that the hard way. You would have thought they would have learned even from that campaign, Bob. Right. How dumb are these people?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. They think that men in this country are going to be drawn to the skinny-jean metrosexual who – it’s like – no, look. I think you’re absolutely right. There are a lot of men that’s like, you know what? We want somebody that appeals to us as men. And can I just say, Donald Trump, when he gets shot standing up pumping his fist – Oh, man, yeah. That’s alpha male to the max. Yeah, you don’t get more alpha male than that.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s alpha male on steroids, Bob. I know. The left is going to run – Tim Walz instead. I mean, it’s like, wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is like the complete opposites. If you’re a man wanting a manly presence, which by the way, I do believe it’s intrinsic to us, the way we’re made by God himself, Bob, to be looking for that in our lives, it’s natural for men to be attracted to those type of men in the first place. Yes, I know there’s some anomalies to that, and the left would like to have a lot more anomalies, by the way, because they’d like to redefine what manhood is. In fact, Bob, you and I are toxic, according to them, and so is Donald Trump. Well, that toxic masculinity won last night.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Now, in the second half, I know we’re going to be talking about the Senate, the House, some other things, but let me ask you, John, what happens now, do you think, regarding Donald Trump? Because one of the things… First of all, let’s deal with this. He still has some trials and indictments in front of him as well, okay?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, there was an interview this morning with Brian Donalds asking, should Jack Smith just polish up his resume? Yeah, he probably should.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, he’s going to get fired on January 21st. There’s no doubt about that.
SPEAKER 01 :
I mean, honestly, what happens with those? I mean, if you’re smart and you’re those folks in that position, you just sort of quietly dismiss those and go away.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. So he can certainly – well, now, he can pardon himself even though I know there’s going to be a debate about this. But he could pardon himself and then just battle it out in the courts and let SCOTUS decide. But he can only do that on two of the four cases. He can’t do that on the convictions in New York, those 34 sham indictments.
SPEAKER 01 :
Those are civil. Those aren’t even criminal. That’s a whole other – yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
You’re right. Well, no, wait a second. I’m not talking about the civil one. I’m talking about the criminal one where he was quote-unquote found guilty on 34 counts, okay? In those, this is something where I’m not sure exactly how that’s going to – Because what do you do when you’re found criminally liable in those particular cases? And as we know, the quote unquote sentencing has been put off. So I just I don’t know what’s going to happen with that. We don’t know if the Georgia case is even going to proceed at this point. We’re still basically waiting to find out. So I don’t know how that’s how that’s going to to play. And what is this judge going to do?
SPEAKER 01 :
Even the Hill this morning, which most people think the Hill is on the right. The Hill is not on the right. It’s not on the right. No, it’s very much on the left. Headline this morning, Trump’s victory likely means curtains for criminal prosecutions. OK, and you don’t even got the Hill saying that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, which would be good. Certainly, I think for the federal ones, the one on January 6th and the one on the classified documents, which talk about. Now, you want to know a big difference between Donald Trump and the Democrats right now? I don’t think that Donald Trump is going to play the kind of lawfare game that they played against him, even though we got to remember when he won in 2016, he could have went after Hillary Clinton. He really could have. She actually really did commit crimes. He literally could have, yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER 01 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
She really did commit crimes. And I mean, James Comey, who hates Trump, we know, he went ahead and laid out. Here’s the crimes that she committed. Yes, she did commit perjury. Yes, she did delete 33,000 email. Yes, there were top secret classified emails as part of that. Yes, she did destroy them after they were subpoenaed. Yes, she did destroy her handheld devices after they were subpoenaed. I mean- She violated laws that people go to prison for. And when Trump got elected, remember, John, he angered some of his base who was saying lock her up when he said we’re going to let this go because we need to let the country heal. And he got zero credit for that, but that’s what his attitude was. Now – and that was with Russia collusion dishonesty too, calling him a traitor – What does he do now? What does he do with the corruption machine, the deep state corruption machine that had the government weaponized against him?
SPEAKER 01 :
What does he do with the Department of Justice officials? What I think you start doing, and I think as a transition team has already been established on his end, which by the way is I think a great move on his part, I think you just start laying out, okay, these are the individuals, these are the three-letter agencies that are going to get either completely dismantled fired uh redone uh don’t need them anymore uh whatever the whatever that particular situation is uh in these next two years while and i know we don’t have uh total readings on the house right now but let’s just say for example you end up with And I know that’s still outstanding at this point in time. But if you have some of that, Bob, you’ve got to go through and clean house in a lot of the things that you and I are just talking about right now. I do believe that Trump, and I’ve heard RFK Jr. even talk about the transition team and why Trump wanted to do this early versus the last time around. He’s learned a lot. The thing you’re going to see different this time around versus the last time is he’s got four years of experience in knowing what to do. He knows some of the mistakes he made the last time around. And, Bob, I don’t think he makes those again.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, I don’t either. And I’ll tell you something else that I think he should do different. One of the things, whenever anybody asks him, is there anything you’re going to do differently, anything you learned from the last time, it’s typically the people that he surrounded himself with. I’m going to surround myself with better people.
SPEAKER 01 :
Which he’s already started off with.
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. And do you know what? Something that I think he needs to do. And I know this sounds kind of, kind of strange. Okay. But do you remember the old show West wing on TV? Okay. And the guy that played Josiah Bartlett, the president, um, uh, I’m drawing a blank, but the actor who played him. Okay. Uh, there was a scene. I remember seeing a long time ago when he first, well, I’m sorry. Yes. Martin Sheen. Thank you, Gail. Uh, uh, When he was first elected president, okay, in this, in the early, and somebody came to him and was giving him advice. And he’s like, yeah, I got to figure out who my team is going to be, okay? And I remember the advice that somebody gave him was, who in the world is your most trusted confidant that would never turn on you and have your back no matter what? And he said, well, he thought a second, he thought of some lifelong friend of his or whatever. And he said that name. And then the guy said, That’s your chief of staff. But you know something? I think that there’s actually wisdom in that. Trump, the person, as a businessman, one of the things, John, I’ve always heard about him is that he doesn’t like surrounding himself with yes-men who just kiss his rear end. He surrounds himself with strong, confident, independent-minded people who are willing to do battle with him. And that just shows a strength in him and a confidence he’s willing to do that.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s different in politics, though.
SPEAKER 02 :
But I don’t think that works in politics. I think you have to have qualified people.
SPEAKER 01 :
You still need people that will challenge you, but that will always have your back.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, exactly. And so what you need to do, the loyalism factor, I think that he needs to, in his mind, he needs to elevate the loyalism factor to the competence factor. Just adjust the ratio a little bit. Make sure the competence is there. But competence, his whole thing is competence is 100% loyalty. Well, competence is 80% and loyalty is 20% because I care about competence and strength. No, you know, it’s got to be loyalty is 80% and competence is 20%. You can still do the job in a competent way, but you don’t have the quote unquote chaos and the backstabbing and the books being written about you and everything else and the media feeding into that.
SPEAKER 01 :
You know, not to switch gears too much, but I think it’s important to talk about this because nobody is right now. So I think, you know, it would behoove us to mention this. There are some Supreme Court justices that given the fact that we now control the Senate that I feel in the next two years really have to get taken care of. And that better be way up on his list.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, you’re talking about replacing… Thomas for one. Yeah, Clarence Thomas, right. Because Clarence Thomas, right, he’s getting up there, okay? Sam Alito’s kind of getting up there a little bit too.
SPEAKER 01 :
So you might want to get two of those taken care of in the next two years because you may not be able to do it after that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right.
SPEAKER 01 :
And by the way, I didn’t hear one person mention that last night at all in any of the things I was watching.
SPEAKER 02 :
Do you think, John, do you think that Donald Trump might, in his second term, slide a little bit more centrist for the sake of his lifelong legacy? We’ve already seen on the issue of abortion.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, depending upon how the 26th election goes, he may not have a choice.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, right. That’s true. I just I wonder about that because we know on abortion, he look, he’s still pro-life in his policies, but he’s softened a little bit to the center. OK, I won’t sign a national abortion ban, which is a moot point. He could never get one passed anyway. Right. Right. And in vitro fertilization, I’m open to the government maybe paying for that. And so on the issue of abortion, he said, let’s not go any further than Roe v. Wade overturned. Let’s just leave it at that. So there is that issue. It does seem like the whole LGBT thing, while I think he’ll fight to keep men out of women’s sports, I think it’s possible that he could this time end up putting out next June a presidential proclamation on LGBT, even though he didn’t do it in his first four years. But I could see him maybe doing that this time.
SPEAKER 01 :
And by the way, if he was smart, just a side note, if he was smart on the whole LGBT thing, he would sit down with the leaders of the LGB sides of things and say, listen, guys, it’s not in your best interest to even include the T. You guys know it’s not in your best interest to include the T. So why don’t we figure out a way to where you separate yourselves from the T? Because, by the way, that was another factor, I believe, from last night on the male sides of things as well. It’s just like, wait a minute, these guys aren’t dumb. They’re thinking to themselves, wait a minute, why are we going down this path in the first place? I mean, if you want to be gay, more power to you. You know what, knock your socks off, you know, fine, whatever. But at the end of the day, don’t shove it down my kid’s throat. And this whole transgender movement is doing just that.
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. And so the transgender movement, I think, is a winner for Trump and Republicans.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think it was part of the winning factor last night, Bob. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
The LGB thing, I’m not on that bandwagon either. None of us are. But the United States is going so far into the quote-unquote acceptance of that that I don’t know what happens to the Republican Party in general if he makes that a hill to die on. So we’ll see.
SPEAKER 01 :
I’m wondering, you know me on this, and this is part of where I feel like we’ve made a mistake even in some of the abortion things. We’ve got to do what the left did. start chipping away at things. We tend to be so holier than thou that it’s either all or nothing, and we either want the whole piece of the pie or we want no pie at all. And I’m one to come back and say, I want to be more strategic in this, and I’ll take a slice of the pie if I can.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. Well, let’s do that. And we’re going to get into some more of that in the second half of the podcast, including talking about some of the other races, House, Senate, and such. Remember, folks, if you haven’t given a pre-born yet, do it now. You can call them at 833-850-BABY. They answer the phones 24-7. 833-850-BABY. We need you to either, A, buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000. Nice tax write-off for you. Your forever legacy is you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions. Or for everybody else, we need you to pay for an individual number of ultrasound images and save that many babies’ lives. So $28 saves one baby’s life as far as ultrasound image expense. How many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28, fill in the blank. That’s your gift to Preborn. And no matter what you do with Preborn, what money you give them, 100% goes to the ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. So call 833-850-BABY to give, or go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and just click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. We’ve got the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast coming up next.
SPEAKER 03 :
This has been a Crawford Media Group production.
SPEAKER 02 :
Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with John Rush, Rush to Reason, out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. Neil will be back with us next week. We’re talking all things election results from last night. We’re recording this on Wednesday morning. So, John, I did my job here in Michigan. Yes, you did. You didn’t do your job in Colorado.
SPEAKER 01 :
Trump lost by 11 and a half. We are, as you can tell, and a lot of folks in Colorado even have a hard time admitting this, I believe, we are a deep blue state in Colorado. It is going to take a lot here in Colorado. I mean, we are the second California or Oregon or Washington, take your pick, to It’s amazing that we skipped a state and we’re basically just like the West Coast, I think because so many of those folks have moved here and they brought their politics with them. But yeah, we are a ingrained blue state. We actually passed a constitutional amendment last night, Bob, or yesterday, that enshrines abortion, the right to and the fact I as a taxpayer am now going to fund it up until the day of birth.
SPEAKER 02 :
Just insane.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s how bad it is in Colorado.
SPEAKER 02 :
I feel so bad for Nevada and Utah being sandwiched between you guys and California.
SPEAKER 01 :
It’s amazing. It really is, Bob. And again, I say that and I’m going to keep fighting. I’m not going anywhere. I’m a native here. I’ll keep doing what I can to try to save the state. But the reality is we have a ton of work to do here. We need a revival in Colorado. Let’s just say it that way.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, right. No, absolutely. So what do you think, what do you think, because I want to go a little bit deeper into this. How does Trump govern in his second term? Because in his first term, he governed in a very pro-life way, a very pro-evangelical Christian way. He was socially conservative in a strong way, but he was also on the economic issues. Look, we know he’s going to be very aggressive on the border.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right, but he needs to be. By the way, that was a big issue yesterday in voters, so you need to be.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right, exactly. So he’s going to be very aggressive on the border, which, by the way, he’s owed a big apology from a lot of people on the left and in the media who demonized the border wall as something evil. And now Kamala Harris even… Even was pushing for $650 million to fund border wall and the plan that she was pushing for the border. So we know he’s going to go hard into that. We know he’s going to go hard into certainly the economy and easing regulations on businesses. Easing regulations on businesses, corporations, undoing a bunch of those is going to free up profits for businesses.
SPEAKER 01 :
Lowering the corporate tax rate, doing the things necessary to stimulate the economy. Those will be some of the things he does for a stay.
SPEAKER 02 :
Shave that 21% down. That’s right. Shave that 21% down and get inflation back down to two and in the ones. And when that starts happening, that’s going to be a positive thing. We know he’s going to be strong on trade. We know he’s telling, you know, right now Xi Jinping is like, oh, next four years is going to be a pain in the neck.
SPEAKER 01 :
Those guys have a brown spot in their pants.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, they do. So we know he’s going to do that. But what I’m curious about, John, is what does he do with evangelical Christians and pro-lifers? I have a feeling that he’s going to say, look, I still love you guys, but the hug that I gave you the first four years – is going to be more of a pat on the back and it’s not going to be as tight of a bear hug as it was before.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think what he needs to do is just, and by the way, because we’ve got another election we need to win in 2028 with J.D. Vance, because that will most likely be the person that steps in, which, by the way, I think would be a great pick. That’s a whole other conversation we can have. you know, down the road. But I think to ensure that we have a good chance of winning a term for J.D. Vance, frankly, he needs to just keep on the track that he’s been on. This is a state’s right issue. The Supreme Court already ruled, and you guys need to handle this on your own local level.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. What do you think about Trump flipping independence for him as he did? Because in 2020, independence went for Biden. Now, independence, it appears so far, went for Trump. And it looks like he’s got a 20, 25 point swing in independence from a 10 percent deficit to a 10 to 15 percent positive. How did he get independence? And does that – do his coattails help Republicans in the midterms in 2026 with independence?
SPEAKER 01 :
If he does it correctly because it’s the economy, stupid. Yeah. All right. Literally, Bob. I mean, let’s face it. That’s a lot of what got voted yesterday was what I talked about in the last half hour was the disenfranchised male voter. I mean, just in general. But keep in mind that disenfranchised voter is also tired of not having enough paycheck every week or every month to do the things necessary in his own family or his life to even have some of the enjoyment that, by the way, he probably had under Donald Trump. So if Donald Trump does really well in the next even 12 months in getting the economy going, and some things back on track, then yes, that’s going to bode well, I think, for him going into 2026. And by the way, I think that’s some of the things that he will do right off the bat. You can’t fix even some of these other things, Bob, that we talk about on a regular basis. If people are poor, you can’t fix anything.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. So true. Now, this does bring up the congressional races because Republicans took control of the House. Right. I’m sorry, of the Senate, of the Senate, rather. That’s right, of the Senate. They’ve taken control of the Senate. We don’t know by how much. Right now, it’s 52-42, and there’s six undecideds that are still out there, okay? 52-42, so at a minimum… uh at a minimum it’s going to be 52 48 in the house for the for the republic or in the senate for the republicans okay that’s good the house we don’t know yet as of this morning wednesday morning it’s 204 to 82 for the republicans but there’s 49 undecideds so we don’t know where those 49 total total seats it’s 199 to 180 but that difference that you just said we don’t know yet Right. And so where do we stand as far as those extra 40-something? But, John, let’s say they fall the Democrats’ way. If it does fall the Democrats’ way and Trump has a split Congress, there is the issue. A huge, huge part, I believe, of the economy improving is extending the Trump tax cuts that are set to expire the end of next year. But that would take congressional approval to extend those. If Democrats control the House… It’s going to be up to Trump and the Republicans to somehow work the media to convince Americans that they need to pressure the Republicans, at least enough of them, to allow that to go through. Because if the Trump tax cuts really do expire at the end of next year because there’s gridlock and the Democrats control the House and they refuse to let that happen – I could see Democrats trying to block that, trying to make sure the tax cuts expire because the Democrats don’t want the economy to… Worst thing for them in the midterms is to have the economy dramatically improving over the next couple of years. So the Democrats are going to be motivated. to keep the economy in the tank, they’re going to fight Trump every step of the way on this.
SPEAKER 01 :
Really, what it’ll come down to is, who’s the speaker? Who’s the whip? How is all of this being handled? Hakeem Jeffries is going to be speaker. I think you’re correct. If they win, you’re correct. That’s exactly the way that’ll work. And I guess what it’ll really come down to, Bob, is how many seats do they control it by? Is it one? Is it 10? Is it 15? I mean, at the end of the day, if it’s a small majority like what we’ve had, well, we’ve already seen that that doesn’t bode very well for us. Unless you’ve got a substantial majority, all it takes is two or three swing seats, and all of a sudden you’ve got things back in your favor. And so really it’s going to come down to what do the numbers look like at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s very true.
SPEAKER 01 :
Because I don’t know at this point. No one knows at this point.
SPEAKER 02 :
We’ve got a lot more to analyze on this. In the meantime, I do want to ask everybody listening if you would save some babies’ lives through pre-born. You hear me talking about pre-born all the time. This is the main pro-life group that shows ultrasound images of unborn babies to expectant moms in pro-life centers all across the country. And when a mom sees a picture of her baby, she chooses life. She doesn’t go across the street to Planned Parenthood. Problem is… that we don’t have enough ultrasound images being shown and enough ultrasound machines to meet the demand across the country. And so there’s a lot of women that they’re not seeing that image of their baby. And so what they end up doing is they get an abortion. They go across the street to Planned Parenthood. So we need to show these ultrasound images to these moms. And there’s two ways you can do this, folks. We’re asking you to support pre-born two different ways. Option A, buy ultrasound machines. Option B, to a lesser extent, pay for individual ultrasound images, okay? Option A, buying ultrasound machines. They’re $15,000 a piece. We need some of you in the audience. If you can buy even just one ultrasound machine, maybe you run a business, you’re looking for a nice tax write-off coming up on the end of the year. Do you know that your forever legacy will be that you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions? You saved thousands of babies’ lives. Is that a great legacy or what to have for your business or maybe your family? So $15,000 to buy an ultrasound machine. Nice tax rattle for you too coming up at the end of the year. And the other side of this option B is I can’t buy an ultrasound machine, but I’d like to pay for a certain number of ultrasound images. Okay, $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So take $28 times fill in the blank. How many babies’ lives do you want to save? That’s your one-time gift. That’s your forever legacy that you give to pre-born. Here’s how many abortions we stopped in our family. And maybe that’s a nice tax write-off for you too. But what’s nice about this is whether you buy an ultrasound machine or pay for individual ultrasounds, do you know that 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead? This is pre-born. They’ve been doing this a long time all across the country. So what do you say? Will you give right now one of these two? Go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. You can give right there. And if you want to give over the phone to a real-life person, they answer the phones 24-7. So call right now, 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And we appreciate you folks doing that. Right now, continuing the podcast with myself, Bob Duco, with John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron will be back with us next week. And so, all right, John, then we wait and see pretty much at this point what happens with the House. Now, I will say this. If Republicans hold on to the House, then somehow, some way, they better get a lot of agenda stuff done, like extending the tax cuts and everything else. They cannot blow and squander these first two years of being in power. But I’m going to make a prediction, though, about something, about Donald Trump. I’m going to predict that his inauguration is going to be very much driven by not we’re in power and this is what we’re going to do now. And they tried to lie. I think it’s really going to be driven by a genuine desire to have healing in our country, to say, you know what, let’s come together.
SPEAKER 01 :
I can’t disagree with you on that, Bob. He really said some things along those lines last night that, you know, listen, there’s a… majority of people out there that voted for this. We now have to sit down and figure out a way to bring everybody together, heal some of the things that have gone on. Let’s move forward collectively, unified, and get the things done as a country we need to do. He started that process even last night.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Well, you know what?
SPEAKER 01 :
And maybe— Or early this morning, I guess I should say.
SPEAKER 02 :
Sure, right. Which, by the way, I thought Kamala Harris said he was just so exhausted and tired and too old.
SPEAKER 01 :
I was thinking the same thing, Bob. I was thinking the same thing. Like, this is a guy that lives on four hours of sleep, and he’s as energetic as anybody. He was saying last night that he has done something like— Around 600 rallies, something to that. Don’t quote me on that, but I believe he said somewhere around 600 rallies. And I’m thinking, how does a guy that’s tired and worn out do that, Bob?
SPEAKER 02 :
And you know, the last of his rallies was in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He got off the stage at 2.09 a.m. He didn’t show up until midnight here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And so this guy is like an Energizer bunny. I wish I had that kind of energy when I was 40. Me too. I’ll tell you what, there’s two things that nobody can ever, ever, two words that can never, ever be applied to Donald Trump. Lazy and coward. Those are two words I don’t think anybody can ever apply to him.
SPEAKER 01 :
Like him or not, you can’t say that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, I know this is true. So I want to go back to something I was talking about a little bit earlier, and that is how he will govern. I would argue he has enough of a victory, especially if this ends up being 312 to 226, and it looks like it probably will be. Those are mandate numbers, okay? If he wins the popular vote by 5 million, which it looks like, these are mandate numbers. But I don’t know that he’s actually going to govern with that kind of a mandate on the social issues. I think he will on the other stuff, but not on the social issues. Will Christians and pro-lifers… Are we going to be okay with that over the course of the next four years? Or are we going to be looking at Donald Trump and saying, oh, my goodness, this guy is turning into John McCain, Mitt Romney. Remember how George W. Bush got less and less and less conservative through his eight years? Will Donald Trump get less and less? Will he follow that same trend?
SPEAKER 01 :
don’t see that happening bob i do see him focusing on things that may be some in quote unquote the evangelical circle or the church may not particularly care for you in other words they may want some things that he isn’t quite ready to deliver on and i feel like if he’s smart he concentrates on the business at hand the first two years and he does those things you’re talking about the second two years some of those things by the way too because it’s something to think about some of the things that you’re talking about can be done with executive orders and things along those lines. Not everything socially speaking has to be done through the branches of government like you’re normally used to. So depending upon what that item is, I think it would behoove him to get the business at hand done the first two years and worry about those the second two to help out J.D. Vance. All right.
SPEAKER 02 :
What is that business at hand? Let’s start with the border right now. What does he start doing?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, that has to do with the economy. So number one task at hand is the economy, which has to do with the border. If you don’t get the border shut down, it affects the economy and all of that just dovetails into one another. And I know there’s a lot of facets that come into the economy, but you’ve got to get… The border shut down. You’ve got to get strength back in the economy. You’ve got to get people to where they can go buy another house if they want to or a house to start with if they’re a first-time buyer, not doing it the way she proposed, by the way, because that just adds to inflation. So he’s got a lot of things to get done. along those lines. And he’s got a lot of great ideas. I mean, you’re in Michigan. He’s proposing, and he did this on the campaign trail, and this is one of those things where if you can control the House, and probably could even get this done in the House, even if the other side has it, because it’s good for all people. He wants to propose an interest tax deduction if you buy an American-made or an American-assembled car. Those are things that help folks like you guys in Michigan out. And that stimulates the economy and growth. And people don’t realize that you don’t get used cars unless you sell new cars. So the reality is, whether you’re a new car buyer or not doesn’t matter. Even if you want to buy a nice used car, you need the new car buyer to buy that so you can get the car they’re driving right now. So there’s all sorts of little nuances, Bob, that he needs to work on in light of that and get some things handled. And I think the other thing, and he ran on this, and I think this is where RFK Jr. comes into play. There was a tweet that just went out this morning talking about the head of pharmaceutical companies. There is an emergency meeting right now that they’re going to have today, and they are in a state of panic. And yeah, because RFK Jr. is going to come in and clean house in that area as well. That’s another area that Donald Trump does need to take care of.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. What about Elon Musk? What do you see his role being?
SPEAKER 01 :
I don’t think Elon’s going to want to give up what he’s doing in the business world. And I think to your point in a few podcasts back, he’d have to give too much up to actually hold a cabinet position or something along those lines. But being an advisor, and I think he will be no matter what. What role does he have advising-wise? I mean, he’s already been advising to a large extent. If you could somehow put him in charge of what we’re going to be needing to do legislatively speaking with AI, if you could put him in some kind of a key role there, given that he’s going to be one of the leaders in AI and understands it probably better than anyone on the planet, I think that’s a role he needs to be in.
SPEAKER 02 :
Do you think between now and the inauguration and maybe shortly after the inauguration, what do you think happens to the… the violence on the left and the rhetoric on the left. Because after 2016, a lot of people forgot. They got amnesia to this. But after 2016, there were riots in cities all across the country. They were burning cities down.
SPEAKER 01 :
I’m surprised we didn’t see some last night. In fact, I looked at the news this morning. One of the specific things they did, Bob, was to see was there any rioting, looting, things along those lines. And there wasn’t. So the question is, will that come later after the state of shock that the Democrats are in Or is it because, and bear with me here, but because of the way he won and with the individuals he won with, will there not be any?
SPEAKER 02 :
That is a very fair point because the branding that the left tried to create of him is he is such a radical extremist and blah, blah, blah. And it’s like, well, wait a minute. Here’s a radical extremist who’s surrounded himself with people like Tulsi Gabbard, people like RFK Jr.
SPEAKER 01 :
Joe Rogan. I mean, don’t forget about that endorsement towards the end. I mean, we can go down the list, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
Which, by the way, Kamala Harris trying to shore up the man vote, how does she not go on Joe Rogan?
SPEAKER 01 :
Major screw-up. If you’re a Democrat strategist looking at some of the things that they did wrong, that’s one of them.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. I mean, here you have a young male audience of tens of millions, and you’re not going to try to reach out to them that way because I don’t know if I can handle sitting there for three hours. Okay, well, then you can’t handle sitting across the table from Putin or Xi Jinping or anybody else either then.
SPEAKER 01 :
And really quick, by the way, on Joe Rogan, who would have ever thought back in the 2000s, those of us watching Fear Factor would be watching the same guy that influenced a presidential election in 2024, Bob?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. It is a surreal world.
SPEAKER 01 :
I mean, honestly, who would have thought that back then? I know. 24 years from now, the host of this show will have a very instrumental end in the 2024 election. I know.
SPEAKER 02 :
What do you think about the Republican Party itself? I mean, Donald Trump, he’s got to go down in the history books, no matter what you think of him. Obviously, he will go down in the history books as the first president since Grover Cleveland in the 1800s to have two terms separated from each other. And so he does belong in the history books for that. He certainly belongs in the history books for the Abraham Accords. I think he’s going to add to that. I think there’s going to be a Saudi Arabian deal there.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, yeah, don’t forget that, you know, we haven’t talked about this, but the two wars that are going on now, I predict by the time he’s inaugurated are done or close to being done.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, actually, I’ll tell you what, let’s talk about that now, because I do want to ask you about the GOP and its branding. But what about the Ukraine war? How does he get this ended so that Vladimir Putin saves face? But Ukraine at the same time, you know, maintains their independence and autonomy.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, first of all, you got to go back in time and say, you know what? The U.S. screwed up when it came to the expansion of NATO. And that’s really what got Russia involved in this stuff in the first place. So let’s go back in time. Let’s reverse some of the things that are happening along those lines. Kick people out of NATO? Yeah. Well, what happened is we violated a lot of the treaties regarding NATO and the expansion of, which really didn’t play too well when it came to Putin. I’m not saying Putin’s a good guy, by the way, but we also then helped fund Putin through lots of things we’ve talked about on this podcast as well. So not only did we aggravate him in the first place by doing some of the things that we did as a country previously, And then we took sides on top of that and really got his dander up. So the reality is you got to sit down and say, okay, guys, we’re going to have a meeting, come to the table, we’re going to lay it all out, and we’re going to get this thing solved. Because by the way, Ukraine, we’re not sending any more money. And by the way, Putin, oil is going to drop, so your funding is going to dry up. So at the end of the day, you guys both need to get this figured out. How are we going to make that happen? And we’re going to crack down on Iran and tighten sanctions on Iran, which means you’re not going to have the same money, arms, all the things funneling in, oil even from Iran. And you’re not going to be selling it on the open market as well. The reality is we’re going to make sure this thing sticks. So you guys get this figured out now.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s right. And by the way, there’s probably still time to mess with his Nord Stream 2 pipeline too.
SPEAKER 01 :
Let’s just say this, Bob. And these have all been in the toolbox, by the way, this entire time. It’s just the left has not chose to use them because they’re warmongers. They want this war to continue on. For all of you that are listening out there that don’t believe me, trust me. This side has wanted that war to go on. We have funded it with billions upon billions of dollars. It’s absolutely ridiculous. It needs to end. We need to stop funding it. And then, of course, on top of that, Bob, he’ll go over there to Israel and have a conversation with those guys and have a lot of the same conversation regarding Iran, and that one will stop also.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Now, the big deal, though, with the Ukraine war, and it goes to what I said before about Putin saving face, we all know that Vladimir Putin wants to reestablish the old Soviet glory.
SPEAKER 01 :
He does.
SPEAKER 02 :
And if he can get all of Ukraine to become part of a new mini Soviet Union, obviously he wants to do that. So this is a tall order to get Trump – for Trump to get Vladimir Putin to pull out of Ukraine. And I just, I mean, I got to tell you, if he actually does pull this off, it is going to be incredible. I mean, it really will be incredible. But I’m just trying to think, how do you negotiate something like that from a position of strength?
SPEAKER 01 :
You’re going to have to slice off a portion of Ukraine to give to Russia to save face. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Well, and maybe it’s Crimea or something.
SPEAKER 01 :
You’re going to take that eastern end and slice that off, which frankly has been pretty Russian for a long time. Anyways, Ukraine’s really not losing much if you do that. That saves face with Vladimir Putin at the same time. At the end of the day, you’re still an ally with Ukraine. They should be happy about that. But then on top of that, you’ve got to go back to the NATO end of things and figure out how you’re going to not go back on your word when it came to some of the things you agreed to do with NATO in the first place in regards to Russia.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, okay. How about Iran? What does he do with Iran?
SPEAKER 01 :
If it were me, and luckily it’s not me, I’d wipe that country off the map, but I’m not Donald Trump and you can’t do that. Right, I know. I mean, those guys are a thorn in the world’s side, literally. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, obviously I’m guessing that he’s going to send messages through his diplomats to Hamas and to Hezbollah and to Iran, which are basically, they’re just proxies for Iran, that, you know what, do not make the mistake of trying an October 7th thing again while I’m in office, because we’re not just-
SPEAKER 01 :
Right. This goes back to the alpha male thing we talked about during the first half. There’s a respect level for Donald Trump, like it or not, whether the left likes it or not. There’s a respect level there that if he sits down and has a meeting, you know, like, by the way, which he got accused of having with the terrorists, by the way, you know, years ago, he had that meeting basically said, you know, if you don’t do it my way, I know where you live.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Here’s a picture of your house.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, here’s a picture of your house. And if this doesn’t go well, it’s not going to end well for you either. He needs to have the same meeting with Iran.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. So I would tend to agree with you on that. I think he’ll be tough on China once again.
SPEAKER 01 :
And like I said earlier, China’s already, I mean, let’s face it, Bob, China would do everything possible and probably already has to make sure the Democrats win an election. It didn’t go their way last night.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Now, the brand of the GOP, of the Republican Party, who is the Republican Party now? And if it’s a wider tent that’s more eclectic, okay, that’s a good thing for elections. But for social conservatives and Christians, there’s a nervousness that it’s going to become kind of mainstream and too secular. Just about 30 seconds we got, John. What do you think?
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s just the way it’s going to be if you’re going to continue to chip away at the piece of the pie that I talked about earlier. Guys, you can’t have it all. We don’t live in that world. And unfortunately, Church, you failed at your duty some 50, 60 years ago. This is now your fault. You’ve got to suck it up and live with it.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. Folks, you hear us talking about pre-born all the time. If you haven’t given to pre-born yet, please do it now, okay? Either buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000, nice tax write-off for you, and your forever legacy will be you stopped thousands and thousands of abortions, okay? Or pay for individual ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. And how many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank, and then that’s your forever legacy. But either side, 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. So you can give two ways, online or on the phone. If you give online, just go right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. Or you could talk to a real-life person over the phone 24-7 and give that way. Just call 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. We appreciate you folks doing that. We appreciate you listening to this podcast. We appreciate your five-star reviews that you give us, as always, and wherever you listen to us on, you know, wherever you listen to the podcast and whatever social media that you do. And Of course, Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York, will be back with us next week. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. John, great talking with you. Looking forward to next week. Likewise, Bob. We’ll see you. Take care now.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’ve been listening to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast, a view of today’s culture through a biblical lens. Brought to you by Preborn, saving babies and souls. Join us in the fight to save babies from abortion. Your gift provides a free ultrasound for a mother in need. 80% of the time she will choose life. Visit CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on their logo to donate. You can download this podcast from Apple Podcasts and more from your local Crawford Media Group station or at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And please give this podcast a five-star rating on your Apple app. Look for the notification on your app for when the next weekly edition of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast is ready for you to download. This is a Crawford Media Group production.
