In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable the guys review President-Elect Trump’s Cabinet picks. They also take a look at DOGE–how will this work? And what about Representative Lauren Boebert and others questioning UFO experts on underwater civilizations? They’ll also talk about the governors who say they will push back against Trump’s deportation plans.
SPEAKER 01 :
Welcome to the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast, a view of culture, current events, and politics through a biblical lens, brought to you by Preborn, saving babies and souls. Join us in the fight to save babies from abortion. Your gift provides a free ultrasound for a mother in need. 80% of the time, she will choose life. Visit CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on the Preborn logo to donate to save babies now. And now here are your hosts, Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, another edition, National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host today, John Rush from Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron with us today, Buffalo, New York, Neil Boron Live. Guys, there’s no secret, it’s Wednesday morning when we record this show, so good morning, guys.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good morning. Good morning. Are you smiling, John, that we beat the Kansas City Chiefs today?
SPEAKER 02 :
You know what, Neil? Sunday night, and I texted you because I’m like, thank God. Thank you, Neil. Thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Somebody beat the Chiefs.
SPEAKER 02 :
Literally, I was like, you beat the Chiefs and the refs.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 05 :
But you know what, though? Here in Detroit, we’re really scared of you guys with the Bills match coming up. That’s going to be a big game, Detroit Lions and Buffalo Bills.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s going to be a big game, but I’m ultimately hoping for anybody but Kansas City in the Super Bowl, but how great would it be if it was the Bills and Lions because then you’ve got a guaranteed first-time winner. There you go. Beautiful. You know what, guys? I’m okay with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Maybe just maybe you guys lose the Super Bowl by a wide-ride field goal.
SPEAKER 02 :
yeah thanks just rip the band-aid right off okay it doesn’t matter all right throw this in my notes but speaking of missing um uh there was some long-range missiles that we provided to ukraine we can talk about that for a moment i didn’t stick that in my notes until just this morning guys because it is a hot topic this morning uh russia’s you know response was you know they’ve changed their quote-unquote nuclear doctrine. They don’t like what’s going on. You know, they’re basically saying we’re going to go after anybody that is a part of this, including those that made, you know, long-range missiles. And, you know, you’ve got to ask yourself the question, you know, why now? Why did, you know, Joe can’t find his way out of the Amazon rainforest. Why now?
SPEAKER 05 :
I was thinking the same thing. It wasn’t Joe’s handlers trying to cut Trump off at the knees. They do not want Trump to get in there and successfully negotiate a ceasefire peace agreement between those two. And it may involve a little bit of land. Said, all right, come on, Ukraine, you give up this little chunk of land. That way Vladimir Putin saves face and the war ends. And the Democrat machine does not want Trump to get that victory back. So I really believe – I don’t think Joe has anything to do with it. I think there’s just – let’s tell Joe what to do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let’s poke the bear a little bit here before we leave office. Yep. I think you’re right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Pretty much. Pretty much. And what’s a shame is this involves real people’s lives.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know? And that’s how – Shame.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yeah, that’s how this administration is. I say it on my show all the time. I’m sure you guys do as well. Those of you that are on the left, Christians especially that vote for the left, why? They care nothing about people whatsoever. They prove it over and over and over again. Marxism never cares about the people. It only cares about the people at the top.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you’re right, but I can also see, and I’m not arguing in favor, I’m just raising this point, that on an issue like with what’s happening between Israel and the Palestinians, or so-called Palestinians in Gaza, they raise the issue that, well, look at big bad Israel, these colonizers, and all they do, they’re just… hungry and land grabbers and the whole thing, and they don’t care about human lives. But the reality is they’re forgetting the part of the narrative that Israel was attacked during a peaceful period. They didn’t break the ceasefire. The Palestinians did. And they’re a country that has to defend itself of missiles coming from every direction all the time, people plotting their ultimate demise, trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. So in a defensive move, They reach out and try to end this thing by getting rid of Hamas. So anyway, the point is there’s way more. But you can see somebody trying to make that argument that, like, why would the Republicans support Israel? Why would Donald Trump support Israel?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, we got cabinet picks I want to get into in a moment. Before we do that, speaking of defending things, Bob, pre-born, you know, we’re defending human lives. Babies are alive. I mean, people may debate that, but to me there’s no debate there whatsoever. These are human lives that are inside of mom’s womb, and we’re doing our very best to protect them.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. There is no debate scientifically, medically, or biblically. There’s just not. These are human lives. These are babies. And, you know, we can save these babies’ lives. All we have to do is pay for ultrasound images for moms to see pictures of their baby in pro-life centers across the country. And you know what? They choose life. They don’t go across the street to Planned Parenthood. They choose life. They usually accept the Lord, too. So we want these moms to see ultrasound images. I’d love to say that every pro-life center in America has ultrasound machines to show these images, but the truth is there’s not. There’s not enough ultrasound machines and enough images being shown. So what we want to do is increase that. Preborn does this all across the country. So we’re asking everybody in the audience right now to do one of two things, either option A, Buy an ultrasound machine. They’re $15,000 a piece. Nice tax write-off for you at the end of the year. And 100%, every penny, goes to the ultrasound machine. Not a penny for overhead. Your forever legacy will be that you literally are responsible for saving thousands and thousands and thousands of babies’ lives. What a legacy to have in your family or business. Now, for everybody else who’s like, oh, I can’t afford to buy an ultrasound machine. I don’t have 15 grand. Okay, fine. Then we want you to pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So pray about a number of baby’s lives you’d be willing to save. Take $28 times fill in the blank. Is it times 10? Is it times 100? What can you afford to do? Whatever that is, that’s your forever legacy of the number of abortions you stopped, number of babies’ lives you saved. So you can either pick a specific number of babies’ lives you want to save, Or you can buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000, and it’s thousands and thousands and thousands that you save. So which is it going to be, folks? We need everybody to participate. There’s what you do. Go online right now to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born, and you can give right there. Or… You can just give them a call 24-7. They answer the phones 24-7 and give over the phone. It’s 833-850-BABY, 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And don’t forget, everything you give, either way, 100% goes to the ultrasound. It’s not a penny for overhead. So this is pre-born, 833-850-BABY. John?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yep, give and put your money where your mouth is. All right, guys, let’s talk about the cabinet picks so far. There is a lot here to discuss. Going back, Neil, to what you were talking about a moment ago in regards to some of these conflicts that are around the world. These cabinet picks, by the way, not only will Donald Trump have an effect upon some of what you just said, but you take people like Marco Rubio, Mike Huckabee, and others that will now have an influence in a lot of the things that we just got done talking about a moment ago. I guess, first of all, Neil, I’ll start with you. Cabinet picks, anybody on there that really, you know, excites you or scares you?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I think everything Donald Trump has done so far in many ways has been predictable, except like the Pete Hegseth, you know, Secretary of Defense nomination and Matt Gaetz, you know, Attorney General. I think the rest kind of speak for themselves. Maybe Robert F. Kennedy, Health and Human Services Secretary. Only in the sense that people would question his experience. I personally love the pick. I think it’s wonderful. And I hope that we actually get back to caring about people’s health in the United States of America rather than allowing big pharma and corporations to dictate. You know, why America’s growing up, dealing with obesity and sickness and so forth. But, yeah, I mean, I hope that we can dig in a little bit and talk about the Pete Hegseth, Matt Gaetz thing. Those wouldn’t be the only two we need to talk about, or maybe even Robert F. Kennedy, but… Across the board, I think it’s kind of predictable. He wanted people around him that are loyal, and that’s what he did. And he obviously treasures loyalty more than someone’s resume. And you know what? That’s a good thing, right? I mean, do we really want more Swamp members in positions of power? Do we really want people that are part of the establishment? I want as many people in there who aren’t part of the establishment, so I’m pretty happy with what he did.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I can’t disagree with that. There’s a few, you know, that I’ve probably got a question mark next to, and although I will tell you that when you look at these cabinet picks versus what we have now, and you look at the quality of the resume going into the jobs, I will tell you that far more of these individuals have a stronger resume in doing the job than some of what we have there right now, and Bob, I know that you could agree with me on that. I mean, there’s some current people serving right now, you know, Pete Buttigieg, for example, when it comes to the Transportation Secretary, I mean, That guy can ride a bike and that’s about it. Outside of that, what does he know about transportation?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. I mean, he was the mayor of South Bend, Indiana. Exactly. That was the biggest thing on his resume. And so, no, you know what? The only three potential flags to bring up are, I think, the three that Neil mentioned, okay? RFK, Matt Gaetz, and Pete Hegseth. But my thoughts, let me just say very quickly on all three. With RFK Jr., There’s one black mark on him, and then everything else I think is really, really good. We need somebody in there who’s willing to take an outside-of-the-medical-establishment approach to health in this country. And so I like the idea that somebody is going to be a champion for homeopathic and natural causes and hyperbaric therapies and, you know, some of the off the establishment reservation things. And certainly cleaning up a lot of the foods and the pesticides and things like that. Okay, that’s good. The big black mark we got to get past is there’s no getting around the fact the guy’s pro-abortion. He calls himself pro-life, but he’s really not. He’s only modified his—just a few months ago, he was saying he supports abortion all the way up to the moment of birth. And then he backed off of that and said, no, I believe in restrictions starting at viability. But no restrictions before viability. He’s going to be very much a supporter of the abortion pills being put out there. And so Planned Parenthood, at least as far as the abortion pills go, are going to have a friend in Health and Human Services, which oversees policy for organizations like Planned Parenthood. So we can’t get past the fact we’ve got not a hardcore pro-abortionite, But a soft pro-abortionite is ahead of HHS. That’s the tradeoff for every other positive thing that I do believe he’s going to do for HHS, and he is going to break it up and redefine it, and that’s good. Trump’s first term, the HHS from top to bottom was a who’s who of right-to-life officials. This time, it’s softer on abortion, so we have to take the good with the bad.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think part of that, Bob, comes from the fact that, keep in mind, last go-around, it was because of the health end of things with COVID that, frankly, it was probably a lot of the reason why Donald Trump didn’t win the last time around. Yeah, I know there was a lot of nefarious things with the election itself and so on, but the reality is there was a lot of people just soured on Donald Trump in general because of COVID, didn’t think he handled things correctly. All sorts of things along those lines. By the way, it wasn’t his fault. It was some of the bad actors, the Fauci’s of the world and so on that were around him. So I think one of the things personally, and again, I don’t know Trump at all. I don’t know why these picks went the way they did. Although, you know, you got to throw Kennedy Jr. a bone at some point because he did help you in some ways win this last election.
SPEAKER 01 :
So you got to do something.
SPEAKER 02 :
You don’t have a choice as far as that goes. He dropped out of his race to really help support yours. But at the end of the day, I think Donald Trump is looking at this also saying, listen, if something else were to come up, I don’t want another, you know, boondoggle even for the next administration. You know, J.D. Vance, who may very well be the next president. You know, we want to set things up correctly so we can control the White House here for more than just one term. And I think if you look at the whole abortion end of things and where Trump has come in and basically has said, you know, that’s a state’s rights issue. I’m not going to sign a national abortion ban and so on. And we’ve talked about this on TV. this podcast in the past on top of that which i wanted to get to as well lay on top of that doge which is going to look at a lot of the things including probably the money we’re giving to planned parenthood i mean you’ve got other checks and balances along these lines as well where it’s not just going to be you know rfk jr with the purse strings
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And by the way, let me just say, we have another COVID kind of thing. With him and HHS, I don’t think we have to worry about mask mandates, vaccine mandates, schools being shut down, all that kind of stuff. So, you know, there’s a lot of really, really good things if we just recognize we’re going to have to hold our nose on the abortion issue because he is not going to be a pro-life champion in this area at all. So we just have to deal with that and accept that.
SPEAKER 02 :
And you’ve got some background on this as well with what your wife does and so on. And, again, I’m with Bob. I fully agree. And every one of these people, by the way, I think you’re going to have to look at at times and say, you know, make sure you guys are toeing the line, and that’s our job as citizenry to make sure that we do those things. But at the end of the day, personally, I feel like the positives, for example, if RFK Jr., and he’s talked about this, we’re the only country outside of New Zealand that allows big pharma ads. Those big pharma ads, by the way, is the only reason why a lot of big media stays intact. Those things go away. A lot of big media changes because they don’t have the revenue stream that they once had. So I look at some of those positives, Neil, coming out of this. And at the end of the day, if you don’t have big media even pushing some of the narratives on abortion, let’s just say, for example, you can stop these ads. You know, that’s a game changer in and of itself.
SPEAKER 03 :
A hundred percent. And by the way, I mean, this is just a personal comment. Have you guys ever noticed when you, when, when these ads come on and you got husband and wife, the big smile, they’re playing tennis, everything’s wonderful because he, you know, he’s now taking this medication, whatever it is. And they got about 12 seconds of positive stuff to say about it, followed by 48 seconds of disclaimers about if your ears start bleeding and your heart stops, you know, call your doctor immediately. And it’s unreal because as you start seeing underwater sea, I’d rather have the headache.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, exactly. I’d rather have the headache.
SPEAKER 03 :
isn’t it weird that we tune that stuff out we tune it out we only hear the good and people are you know are scrambling for wagovi and and ozempic and these other kinds of drugs which have some very positive impacts on the human body but also can destroy your intestinal system and cause some real problems for people so anyway i don’t want to get into that part of the conversation i’m just saying somebody needs to stand up to big pharma and i think he’s the guy to do that and i’m wondering Just, you know, is it possible that he’s going to agree to disagree on some of these issues? Meaning, look, I’m definitely not in the same place you guys are on the life issue, but that’s not really the lane I’m going to be running in. I’m going to care about the health-related things, and I’ll kind of stay over here and stay out of your way. On the other point, though… Bob, you raised a huge point, the idea of, you know, the abortion pill being shipped through the mail and stuff. The question is, you know, is the Trump administration going to enforce the Comstock Act, which already is on the books, it’s from like the 1800s actually, but you’re not allowed to mail, you know, any abortifacient across state lines and stuff. And somebody may say, oh, well, that’s all, you know, it’s… that’s ancient history, that it no longer applies, blah, blah, blah. But the federal government really can say an awful lot about that. And if it’s supposed to be a states’ rights issue, maybe then those things ought to be confined to individual states that allow it. But the idea that this stuff is readily available across the country, that really could become an issue. And how involved RFK Jr. would be, who knows. But, I mean, that’s part of… One of the battle lines right now related to protecting innocent human life in the United States is the abortion pill.
SPEAKER 02 :
And keep in mind, too, guys, that in some of these cases, RFK Jr. as well, because I got a note yesterday from some folks on the inside that Big Pharma does not want him to be hhs secretary they’re calling you know all the shots right now with some of the senators that they you know so willfully support financially and so on and basically saying hey you know don’t don’t forget who writes your paycheck here and so there’s a lot of pressure right now and a lot of senators to not confirm robert f kennedy jr so we’ll see how this goes again a lot of these folks that trump has picked keep this in mind for everybody listening you know just because he’s picked them they still have to get confirmed when it’s all said and done right bob
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. And that’s where we’ll see what happens. I think you bring up a good point about RFK Jr. in that there are going to be not just Democrats, but you’re going to have some rhino Republicans that Big Pharma is going to say to them, hey, you know what? Your Senate term is coming up in two years. You’ve been in there four years. Your Senate term is coming up in two years. Do you want our money or do you not want our money? Do you want us to be your enemy or your friend? You better vote no. And so all they have to do is peel off. for Republican votes. And that’s enough, because if it’s a 50-50 tie, remember, then J.D. Vance would make the decision if it’s after they’re sworn in. Can I just also say, I mean, one of the others, I do want to bring up the Matt Gaetz issue, if I could. Sure. Because I – As you know, I’m not his biggest fan, so, yeah, we can talk about that. I get that. And you know what? And look, I was against him when he went after Kevin McCarthy, as he did too, okay? And I know that he’s a disruptor, and I know that he made enemies in the House. I get that.
SPEAKER 02 :
He’s just a guy that’s not very strategic is my problem.
SPEAKER 05 :
In the Senate, right. But he also, at the same time, he is a guy who’s willing to take a jackhammer to the cement establishment of the way that things run. And if anybody could clean up and gut and take a sledgehammer wrecking ball to the DOJ and clean house, it is a Matt Gaetz kind of guy. So it’s kind of like, yes, he comes with a lot of warts. But it’s kind of, to a certain extent, it’s like Trump, okay? Trump is a guy that can clean things up, but he’s going to break a bunch of dishes and bloody a bunch of noses in the process. And I think we need that in the DOJ. Now, I do want to say about the accusations against Matt Gaetz. These are some huge accusations leveled against him that he had sex with a 17-year-old girl, that he sex trafficked, that he was doing illegal. illegal illicit drugs and that he’s accepted bribes and payoffs and gifts and such. Okay. That’s huge. If he’s actually guilty of any of those, then I would say, of course, he should be disqualified for DOJ. I get it. Okay. For AG. Right. But here’s what I got to stress. Okay. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s Department of Justice, not a Republican DOJ, the Biden DOJ and their FBI, with all their unlimited resources and with a massive motive to get his scalp dug into every single orifice of his life, his past, investigating, going back, talking to people that he knew growing up, the neighborhood, canvassing homes, looking for any way to to be able to substantiate any of these charges against him, and they came up empty. And so for them to come up empty, and this is the same DOJ and FBI that somehow has been able to create fictional charges against Donald Trump and fictional charges against pro-lifers throwing them in prison for peacefully praying outside of a clinic. If they’re going to stretch the law that far, and they couldn’t come up with anything to charge Matt Gaetz for, that tells me I don’t care what the House ethics report ends up saying. If they came up empty at the DOJ with all the resources they have, that tells me this guy is probably being falsely accused in these areas.
SPEAKER 02 :
Would that not show up, though, if that were the case?
SPEAKER 05 :
You would think. If he actually were guilty of any of that, I have a hard time believing that Joe Biden’s DOJ and FBI wouldn’t find it.
SPEAKER 02 :
The only weird about math that I’m just questioning personally is, why did you resign two days before this report’s supposed to come out? I mean, no offense, if there’s nothing there, let it come out. Who cares at the end of the day?
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know what? Okay, here’s how I look. Number one, I understand the argument of we do want to give Florida time to get the elections set up so that we can hopefully get my replacement in there before the January 3rd swearing-in. There is some credibility to that, but I do believe— I understand that. I do believe that I could see him saying and his people saying, we don’t want the report to come out because the report is liable to be a smearing report lending credibility to these. Kind of like, look, the 51… Back in 2020 and the Hunter Biden laptop thing, the 51 former intelligence agents who said this looks like Russian disinformation, they gave credibility to that even though they were dead wrong. And if you have a bunch of Democrats in the House Committee, Ethics Committee, combined with… Don’t know what that is. Combined with some of the Republicans that he made enemies with, they could give an air of credibility to these charges without substantive evidence. And it ends up smearing and tainting his chances to get confirmed. And so I could see basically saying, let’s not let this propaganda spin be put out because that’s all the ethics report would be. The substance is the DOJ and FBI coming up empty.
SPEAKER 02 :
Makes sense. Neil, your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
I was actually checking out space aliens under the ocean.
SPEAKER 02 :
We’ll get to that in the second half.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, we’ll get to that later. No, I agree on the Jackhammer side of things that he is a guy that’s going to bust up the establishment in any possible way that he can, and that’s a very… That’s a very big pro. On the con side, if there’s any sense that there’s a validity to the charges that have been raised against him and he’s been in any way involved in human trafficking or having sex with a minor, he’s got to go, in my opinion. Of course. Can’t have anything to do with him. So we’ll see how it fleshes out. But it’s questionable. Why did he resign when he did? What was the strategy behind it? It obviously raises a ton of questions, but hopefully the smoke clears and we get to the bottom line because I think – All of that aside, if that wasn’t an issue, if that was made up, if it isn’t really real, I think that he is going to do exactly what Donald Trump needs him to do as attorney general.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, there’s no doubt that he is a, I’ve said this on my show, he is an absolute Trump loyalist. He did a lot of things on the campaign trail. I’ll give the guy credit where credit is due. Again, my biggest issue with Matt, not only in the House, is I just think in general, I just don’t know that the guy, and maybe this is fine for Attorney General, and maybe this is part of Trump’s strategy here. He’s not the most strategic guy out there, although if you become Attorney General, there’s a lot of folks around you that can help you be a little more strategic and far more so than even where you’re at. in your current house seat. So as far as that goes, Bob, yeah, probably not a big issue. Honestly, if he became attorney general, I’m fine with that. It doesn’t hurt my feelings whatsoever. There’ll be enough people around him that I think will make him strategic. And frankly, for me personally, not having him in the house disrupting some of the things that he’s done in the past, I’m okay with that as well. But speaking of disrupting pre-born, they’re disrupting the entire abortion industry by the things that they do with young moms.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
I was going to get to that next. Absolutely. No, in fact, so we’ve got two minutes left of this first half, guys. Bob, I’ll give you, I don’t know, 30, 40 seconds here. Give me your first thoughts on Pete. We can come back and talk about it after the break.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s been reduced by the media and the Democrats as nothing more than a Fox News host and pundit. That’s not fair. The guy has a 20-plus year military career as a veteran serving not in Guantanamo Bay, but in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right. He’s risen to the rank of major. So he knows the military from the perspective of the foot soldier and from the perspective of an officer. Okay. Is he a general? No. Okay. But you know what? Is there going to be some on-the-job training? Yes. But you know what? I don’t care about that. If you think about it, the president of the United States, except for Trump, every other president, it’s on-the-job training. They’ve never been president before. Okay, so if presidents are almost always on-the-job training positions, why not some of the cabinet positions below them? I have no problem with Pete Hagseth being sharp enough and smart enough to surround himself with good people and run that department right. And
SPEAKER 02 :
We’ve got to take a break here. First half is about over. We’ll come back and talk about that, plus some other things, including the underwater sea creatures Neil wanted to get to as well. Guys, thanks for listening again. If you want to listen to the second half and you don’t hear it on terrestrial radio, listen to it on the podcast, which is the whole idea of this in the first place. And again, the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable coming up next.
SPEAKER 01 :
This has been a Crawford Media Group production.
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome back. National Crawford Roundtable, second half. Myself, John Rush, Rush to Reason out of KLZ in Denver. We’ve also got Neil Boron out of Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron live. And, of course, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, with the Bob Duco Show. All right. Real quick, Bob. My two cents on Pete, I think, same as you. I mean, I’ve seen enough interviews that he’s done over the course of time to where I’ve got no issues with the guy at first. And the first… First was announced, I was sort of like, okay, who is this guy? I’ve got to do a little bit of research because I wasn’t that – I don’t watch TV and news and all that, so I really wasn’t that familiar with Pete. But after looking at some of the interviews and things that he’s done, even as far as the on-the-job training goes, Bob, I don’t think there’s going to be a lot with this guy. He knows a lot more about what goes on inside – of the military than probably some of the guys that have already served there. He’s looking at it, as you said, from the bottom up versus the top down, which is what we frankly need in that particular position. So I’m fine with him. Neil, what are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, for all the same reasons, I’m fine with the pick. I don’t think the experience thing actually will matter that much for the reasons Bob just explained. But I like the idea that he’s looking at this really from the bottom up. That’s a good way to put it. I think he’s more concerned about things like combat readiness and rebuilding our nation’s military.
SPEAKER 02 :
He’s more worried about who we’re actually putting on the front lines. Are we putting men or women on the front lines? I mean, some of the interviews that he’s done along those lines, this guy is spot on.
SPEAKER 03 :
And the whole push, you know, for the whole gay rights thing and transgender ideology in the military, woke is broke. I think he’s like, this is not helping us be prepared. And I think his sense is what most of us have, that is the United States still the world’s premier military power? Maybe. But how long is that going to be the case if we keep moving in the direction we are? So I think he’s going to work at turning that around, and good for him.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. You know, I agree with you on that one, Neil. And again, Bob, back to your point. Yeah, I think, you know, as always, there’s always, of course, in that top position, some on the job training. But he’s bringing some things into the office that, frankly, some of the past defense secretaries probably forgot. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, look, I think that it’s a good thing for us to have some young, fresh blood and people that tend to operate outside of the typical establishment template. Let’s start shaking some things up a little bit and let’s get somebody who’s willing to say, hold on a minute, we’re going to get the military back to what it should be, the most lethal fighting machine on the planet. And we’re not going to have Kim Jong-un and Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin and the pack our military with a bunch of max clingers, okay, and turn it into a big social experiment and emphasize DEI and wokeism above everything else. Enough is enough. And so I think Pete Hegseth will bring that to the table. And keep in mind, the military has been progressively getting more and more hostile to Christianity over the years. And Pete Higgs is a self-described born-again evangelical Christian. I think we need somebody like that at the helm to basically put these various military posts and bases on notice that you will not discriminate against Christians. You will not be labeling – Christians are pro-life versus potential domestic terrorist threats. We’re going to clean up the brochures and the training videos that we put out. This is something that we need, I believe, in the Department of Defense. And I don’t care if the guy’s only 44 years old. And I don’t care if he’s been a host on Fox News. I’ll take him all day long over some crusty curmudgeon general who’s just going to turn his back on Donald Trump and become an MSNBC pundit in four years.
SPEAKER 03 :
What do you make of the skeletons in his closet? And by the way, Christianity is about the fact that we once were something that today we’re not. I mean, we’ve been transformed. If any man be in Christ, he’s a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come. 1 Corinthians 6 is all about that. Such were some of you. But I mean, he’s, I think, married three times. He was accused of sexual assault in the past and reportedly paid off a woman to be silent about it. I mean, there’s… He’s under attack in similar ways to the way Matt Gaetz is under attack right now. What are your thoughts about how that might derail where this thing goes?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I can tell you right now that probably to me some of the worst skeletons in a closet I can think of is somebody who would be a chief persecutor of Christians who would attack them viciously and end up becoming the Apostle Paul from Saul of Tarsus. So Pete Haig says he probably does. have ugly skeletons in his closet. But you know what? I allow transformation in people’s lives because Jesus allows transformation in my life and the rest of them as well. And so will this be used against him? Of course it will. OK, but I look at Trump. I look at Trump’s past. We all know that Donald Trump spent most of his career as a sleazy, vulgar woman.
SPEAKER 02 :
He’s not a choir boy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Billionaire. Okay, yeah, he’s not. He’s a womanizing playboy billionaire. But you know something? He has moved his life more toward the direction of honor, integrity, and evangelical Christianity. And I think we ought to applaud that direction, that trajectory that his life has moved. And with Pete Hagseth, we ought to honor and celebrate that too. And so, yes, the enemies will use his past against him. That’s where we need to be vocal and not weak and soft and go, well, yeah, okay, maybe. If we’re looking for somebody who’s crystal clean from day one, we’re kidding ourselves. So let’s accept where they’re moving toward, not where they moved from.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yep, absolutely, absolutely. Speaking of moving the benchmark and moving things ahead, and, you know, this is one thing we don’t talk much about, Bob, when it comes to pre-born, and that is the effect that it has on folks later on down the line, the women on down the road. And, you know, talking about some of these picks and some of their past and some of what they probably look back and say, man, I wish I’d have done that differently. Well, you know what? With pre-born, they’re trying to get these women back to make the right choice so they don’t have to look back in time and say, man, I wish I would have done that differently.
SPEAKER 05 :
So true. And let’s face it, when a woman gets an abortion, it is extremely common for her to regret this large the rest of her life. The psychological, emotional pain. I’ve interviewed those women, Bob, so have you. I know. Yeah, we all have. And they go through this trauma for the rest of their lives. Let’s rescue them from that trauma. Let’s convince them not to get an abortion. How do you convince them not to get an abortion? The best way, show them an ultrasound image of their baby. That’s the first time they’ve ever seen a picture of their baby. It is very, very rare for a woman to see an ultrasound image of her baby and then still go across the street to Planned Parenthood. No, she tells the people in that pro-life center, I see my baby, I’m going to let my baby live. And then the pro-life center will help her going forward, whether she keeps the baby, puts the baby up for adoption, bottom line, the baby lives, and she usually accepts the Lord too. So what we want to do is put as many ultrasound images in front of these moms as we possibly can. Preborn does this. They’re the ones in pro-life centers all across the country showing the ultrasound images, but it takes money to do this. So we’re asking everybody in the audience, do one of two things. Either A, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images to save that many babies’ lives, or B, Spend the money and buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000. Your forever legacy will be you literally stopped thousands and thousands of abortions if you will pay for an ultrasound machine for 15 grand. Take a nice tax write-off for you or your business this year. For everybody else, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So how many abortions will you stop? Take $28 times fill in the blank. Whatever that number is, that’s your gift to pre-born. And anything you give to pre-born, 100% goes to ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. This is how it works with pre-born. So are you going to give an individual amount, $28 times fill in the blank? Or are you going to buy an ultrasound machine and write it off on your taxes? Either way, your forever legacy is that’s how many abortions you ended up stopping, how many babies’ lives you saved. You can give two ways, online or on the phone. If you give online, just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn, and you can go ahead there and give that way. Or over the phone, you just go to, you give them a call at 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. And just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call, Neal.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, Neil, I’m going to throw this back over to you and talk about it. I do want to talk about Doge. If we get to it today, fine. If not, we’ll get to it at a future podcast as well. But I did want to talk about it just because I wanted to get Bob’s opinion on this as well. But I want to start with you, Neil. Lauren Boebert and some others on Capitol Hill were doing some interviews here this last week talking about, you know, they don’t call them UFOs anymore. There’s another name for it or another acronym for it. But UFOs. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And underwater civilizations. And I’m sorry, guys, but the entire time I’m watching some of these interviews, and I only watch clips of them, which is about all I could take, I’m thinking to myself, number one, is this all we have to do on Capitol Hill? There’s nothing else that’s pertinent to the United States of America besides talking about this nonsense? I mean, Neil, you and I talked a little bit about this prior to coming on air today, but what a waste of time, if you ask me.
SPEAKER 03 :
A hundred percent. What percentage of the American people care about that kind of stuff? And sure, there’s the I mean, it’s interesting to watch a YouTube documentary or something about unidentified aerial phenomenon or objects or whatever they call them. They definitely do have a new name, as Bob said. UAP, actually.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m sorry, I misspoke.
SPEAKER 03 :
UAP. Phenomena. Yeah, UAPs. And then, you know, there’s always people wondering about, you know, where’s that place in Nevada or whatever? Area 51. Area 51. 51, yes. Have there been alien visitations? I mean, it’s sci-fi stuff. It’s kind of fascinating, whatever. Makes good movies. Yeah. I mean, it’s entertainment in a way. But the idea now that apparently there’s, you know, she’s making claims that there’s like alien civilizations potentially. Stationed under the ocean, does the United States government know anything about this? It’s time the American people had real answers. What in the world? There’s so many really important things going on right now. For instance, the number of suicides amongst American teens and the impact of social media. Where are we going with AI and drug abuse in our country, human trafficking? What?
SPEAKER 02 :
in the world are we spending time it well and the thing I want to throw in there too and Bob get your opinion on this especially as you know she’s this you know touts her Christianity and so on and so forth and so I look at all of that and and I’ve said this publicly you know am I glad Lauren got reelected so we’ve got another seat in house yes am I her biggest fan no and I say that publicly in Colorado all the time I think there’s time she’s just an absolute wackadoodle on some of the things that she does do I support her I will to a point, but these sorts of things, Bob, as a Christian even, I just look at this and think, number one, there’s no scriptural evidence whatsoever that there’d be any kind of weird underwater life, and then her going into this bit about how it’s us that have made this life maybe. I mean, it’s just absolute weirdness. I don’t know how else to say it.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what? Sometimes we have this notion that once somebody accepts Jesus as Savior, that therefore they suddenly have all wisdom and knowledge. Well, that’s not true. Christians can still be loopy, okay? And Lauren Boebert does have some loopiness to her. There’s just no denying that, okay? You take the good with the bad. There’s a lot of good that she brings to Congress, and I’m glad that that good is brought with it. But there’s some loopiness baggage that comes with it as well.
SPEAKER 02 :
And where I’m going with this, though, Bob, is, and I’ve said this so many times on this program, the rest of the world doesn’t understand what you just said. They’re lumping her into the same belief system that you and I and Neil have, and now all of us as Christians are weirdo, you know, just off-the-wall individuals. It doesn’t do us good, is my point, for Christianity in and of itself. She’d be better off to just shut up.
SPEAKER 05 :
So you know what we do? We correct the record by saying, guess what? There’s a lot of diversity among Christians as well. And there are some Christians that buy into silly, crazy conspiracy theories. Unfortunately, it does happen. It doesn’t mean… Being a Christian doesn’t mean that we’re perfect and that we know everything. It means that we’re forgiven through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, okay? That’s what it means. But some of us are a little bit loopy. Some of us buy into conspiracy theories. Some of us are going to get to heaven and go, wow, was I wrong about that? So that’s… That’s the reality of what it means to be a Christian. So, no, we don’t say she’s perfect. We don’t agree with everything. But the things that we agree with, we’re going to champion her on. And the things we disagree with, we’re willing as Christians to say, hey, we think she’s wrong about that. All right? We don’t have a group think attitude like so much of the left does. We do look at things individually, and we take the good with the bad.
SPEAKER 03 :
So can I just add something real quick? So apparently this was a – A panel that was convened, a House Committee on Oversight and Accountability titled Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. There’s the UAP. Exposing the truth. That’s what it was called. She went to town asking the panel about, quote, rumors that have come up the Hill. the sources of which she didn’t cite, about, quote, a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipulation of human genetics with what is described as non-human genetic material for the enhancement of human capabilities, in other words, hybrids. Yes or no, she asked that question. And then she said, I speak my mind often, so why don’t I just keep going with it? And then, you know, she said… Exactly right. Are there any accounts of UAPs emerging from or submerging into our waters, which could indicate a base or a presence beneath the ocean’s surface? Are there any technological capabilities that have been observed in these oceanic UAPs to defy our current understanding of physics or human engineering capabilities? Yeah, anyway, so… Bottom line is, if she truly knows the Lord Jesus Christ, Lord willing, she grows past this. But I don’t believe this is what any Christian ought to be ultimately focused on. There’s way more important things like the spreading of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And then in terms of as an elected official, come on, let’s talk about things that matter.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hey, here’s a time to summons Doge, okay, with some of this stuff.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, perfect.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let’s do it. Yep, I agree with that. Well, look, this is a thing for Doge, all right? Step in, come on, Vivek and Alon, say, all right, we are not going to spend government money and government resources for this stuff.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yep, absolutely. Anyway. Absolutely. No, well, okay, so one other thing that I want to make sure that we did get in today, which we’ve got enough time, I think we can do this. Bob, I’ll start with you. These governors, there’s been several, my own, Governor Polis, talking about how they’re going to push back against Trump’s deportation plans. You’ve seen it. There’s a coalition now of governors. I mean, really, at the end of the day, and yes, I’m a big believer in states’ rights, but the reality is these are individuals, especially those that have committed crime, which is the first place that they’re going to go after to do this deportation plan. I mean, the reality is, so are these governors basically saying that they’re now going to protect criminals from deportation, Bob? Yep. And you know something?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Go ahead and head butt with Tom Homan. Go ahead. Go ahead and head – because Kristi Noem is going to have Tom Homan’s back as Homeland Security Secretary, all right? And she’s going to be the one who actually has the enforcement capability in this. So I totally see the – I totally see customs and – you know, Customs and Border Patrol and all of that. I see ICE, Immigration Customs. I see Homeland Security. And I see Tom Holman, Border Czar, doing battle with these governors. Go ahead and do it. Let the governors sue. Let it go up the courts. And right now, I think it’d be 5-4 in the Supreme Court if any of these cases go there. John Roberts, I’m assuming he’ll side with the liberals. So one way or another, there’s probably going to be legal battles about whether sanctuary cities can defy federal law. And ultimately, the Supreme Court is probably going to decide this. I’m going to guess sometime within the four years of Trump’s administration. And it’ll be a great precedent that will be set. So let’s run it. Go ahead, governors. Let’s run it up the flagpole and let the Supreme Court decide.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and Neil, I’ll get your thought on this as well, but I don’t see these governors having much power when it’s all said and done. I agree with Bob. I mean, you look at the powers that be that are going to be stepping into these roles, and they’re just basically going to say, okay, governors, if you want to get in the way, fine, but at the end of the day, it’s not going to end well for you.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, they’ll sue, and we are going to have to put up with liberal judges ruling in favor of the governors. That’s why I say it’s ultimately going to be a SCOTUS decision.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, yeah. So that just protracts the process, if that’s the correct word. And then you’re looking at more money spent for frivolous reasons, ultimately. And couldn’t Donald Trump, as commander in chief, order, for instance, the National Guard to get involved? And what jurisdiction do they have over the National Guard in a matter like that?
SPEAKER 02 :
The National Guard is run by the states, so that wouldn’t work. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, well, just a thought. But then, you know, the other issue is you’ve got, you know, in New York State, it’s Kathy Hochul, of course, and Letitia James. Good Lord, she’s the Attorney General here. They’ve just openly, immediately got behind the microphone after the Trump election and said, we’re going to do everything we can to oppose his agenda, which really ultimately comes down to more than just the issue. of mass deportation or slash illegal immigration. It has to do with worldview. It’s just saying, look, this guy is one of these whack job conservatives, and nothing he says is of any validity. However, New York State, there was only like a 10-point margin for Kamala Harris in New York State, and there was prediction that in the next couple of elections, New York could end up going red, like literally. So I don’t know that the vast majority of New Yorkers really – think that it’s a bad idea to deport criminals. I think they’re on thin ice with something like that, but they’re really exposing the worldview that they’re a part of that says, we know better than you, and we’re going to do what’s right for the American people because this guy doesn’t know anything, and he’s dangerous. And I just, I think it needs to be called out, and I pray to God that the Supreme Court backs him up on it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and Bob, I agree with you. For those of you listening, be prepared for a lot of nonsense that’ll come down the pike. There’s going to be a lot of lawsuits. No different than if she had gotten to be president, did executive orders and things that she really wasn’t able to do or even that we thought she wasn’t able to do. There’d be lawsuits in that way. I’m not saying that it should be tit for tat, but the reality is that’s what’s going to happen, Bob, is yes, they’re going to challenge some of these things. I do believe that at the end of the day, they’re going to get shut down. I mean, the reality is one of the roles of government on a federal level is to protect our border. On top of that, if you’re here illegally and you shouldn’t be, it’s their job to make sure that you’re not here any longer. There is no doubt about constitutionally speaking that they’re in the right in that these governors can try to do whatever they want to, but at the end of the day, they’re going to lose.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. And you know what? Here’s where the Republicans and John, how many times have we talked about this? If the Republicans can get on proper messaging and branding, they’ve got the American public on their side with this. They can make people like Polis and some of these governors really look bad to the American public. And that’s the thing that would cause them to back down and not file these lawsuits is rut row. My approval ratings are getting down.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’d like to be president someday. I better not go down this path.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. And so this is where Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, Tom Homan, Kristi Noem, and the messengers for the Republican Party, they need to sell the American public on these Democrat governors. What they’re actually doing is defying federal law. We’re trying to take people that have committed additional crimes in America that these Democrats are saying, we’re not going to turn them over to ICE. We’re going to go ahead and put them back out on the streets. These are known
SPEAKER 02 :
More criminals that they’re going to go ahead and let roam your streets.
SPEAKER 05 :
We’re not talking about Consuela and her two children that came over here and are committing additional crimes. We’re not worried about Consuela right now. We’re worried about the MS gang members that are continuing to commit crimes and are being protected by the Democrats. We’re trying to deport them. And that Democrat governor wants to take us to court to stop this. All right. If that message can be given by every single Republican who goes on Meet the Press and the Sunday morning shows, I’m telling you, the Democrat governors will back down because they’ll lose the PR battle.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s absolutely right. I agree with that. I’ve got a few minutes left here before we do a pre-born spot, guys, that I wanted to squeeze in. This probably will have to dovetail into a future podcast, whether one of you guys leads this or I come back and do it in a few weeks. But with now looking at NFL, college teams, A lot of young guys doing, young men doing the Trump dance. Neil, quit doing the Trump dance. I’m doing it as we speak. They’re all in. And here’s my point, guys. And this, you know, I’m going to go to Neil, you first. This kind of goes back to the church sides of things. I look at this right now and what’s happened in the United States of America, and by the way, I think it’s more worldwide, but really what’s happened in the United States of America, and I know we’re tight on time, Neil, but You look at what men are looking for right now and the reality of how they just voted. To me, there’s a prime opportunity for the church to grab a hold of some of these men and bring them in and quit feminizing the church so much like we’ve done for the last 50-plus years. Let’s do some things to really let these men know that they are welcome and church isn’t what it used to be. Are we going to miss that opportunity is my point, Neal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, we will, if we don’t pay attention to what’s happening right in front of our face. Bottom line is, men felt alienated. They felt irrelevant. In fact, they felt like the problem, and they’d been led to believe for many years, hey, if you’re a male, and particularly a white male, you’re the problem, and you need to go. You have no value. Well, anyway, I think this last election said it all. The number of males, including black males and Hispanic males, that voted for Trump was unbelievable. And it really says something. And the fact that this is breaking out in, like, the NFL and stuff, I think there’s also another meaning there. That, you know what, I think that the media and everyone else has tried to portray Trump as some Hitler-like, you know, maniacal fascist guy. And I think in the second term, you’re going to see more of the… fatherly side of him he is a father he’s got a family and his kids love him by the way which i think says something now i’m not saying trump hasn’t said bizarre things that i’m upset about whatever he’s he’s got his rough edges for sure but i think there’s another side to him that’s starting to come out and i think some people are beginning to go okay you know what he won i guess i’m not going to be ostracized for identifying with him in any way i’m doing the trump dance
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what? Can I just add to that, too, that Neil, something I’ve noticed about Trump as well is and I don’t know if it’s since he got shot and had a brush with death. OK, but Trump has actually softened up and, yes, become more of a father figure kind of person who who in a crazy way, whoever thought you would take words like likable and humble and start applying them to Trump. But there are some areas where he is becoming a more likable person. He’s willing to go to McDonald’s and serve fries to people in an apron. He’s willing to put on an orange vest and ride in a garbage truck and then poke fun at his own weight by going on stage wearing the vest going, hey, they told me I look thinner in this, so I’m wearing this. He goes on Joe Rogan, okay? He’s at the UFC thing, and there’s you got the UFC champion doing the dancing and climbing over the fence, giving his belt to Trump. Give him his belt. What’s happening is people are looking at Trump and going, you know what? I never in a million years thought I would say this, but I’m warming up to him. He’s becoming a more likable person to me. And everybody said he’s such a Hitler. And then you add to that Joe Biden welcoming him, beaming ear to ear. Joe and Mika going, hey, can we talk? There’s a certain sense of the left is being exposed for their Hitler-esque lie.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I know we got to talk about pre-born, Bob. What I want you to dovetail pre-born into is will this movement and making men become men again even have an effect upon the abortion end of things? Because if men were really being men and protecting life like we want to do and should be doing as men, that has a huge effect on those young babies, the babies in the womb, I should say.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree, because you know what? One of the things that Trump is doing is he is giving permission to men to go ahead and be masculine and not see that as some kind of toxic pejorative. All right? Men can be men. We can be strong. We can be confident. Trump is the ultimate alpha male. He is. And it’s okay to be an alpha male. That’s how God created us. And one of the things he created us to do is to be protectors. All right? We are to protect men. We’re warriors in that way. You don’t get much weaker than an unborn baby sucking his thumb in his mother’s womb. We need to protect those babies. So if we’re a man, let’s be the protector. If you’re a woman, be that mama bear instinct to protect that baby’s life as well. We do this by showing ultrasound images through pre-born to those moms who are carrying those babies because those moms choose life themselves. when they see a picture of their baby. It is very rare for them to go through with an abortion. But it takes money to show these ultrasound images. Preborn is the one who does this in pro-life centers across the country. So we’re asking everybody in the audience right now, will you do one of two things? Will you either, A, buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000? You’re providing an ultrasound machine to stop thousands and thousands of abortions, and it’s a nice tax write-off for you. Or option B, if you can’t do that, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images because $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So how many abortions will you stop? Take $28 times fill in the blank, and that is your forever legacy of the amount of abortions you stopped. Or buy an ultrasound machine, and it’s thousands of babies’ lives. Either way, you give by going online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. Or just call 833-850-BABY. 833-850-BABY. And just mention Crawford Media Group when you call.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s it, guys. Have a great rest of your day. Those of you listening, thank you so much for listening today. The National Crawford Roundtable, myself, John Rush, Bob Duco, and Neil Boron. Guys, thank you very much. Have a great rest of your day as well. Hey, thanks. We’ll see you.
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