In this riveting episode of the National Crawford Roundtable, the hosts dive into the pressing issue of violent incidents involving transgender individuals. Through heated discussions, they explore the potential links between mental health struggles and the troubling rise in such occurrences. With painstaking detail, they examine society’s response and the complex interplay between personal identity and societal norms, prompting listeners to reconsider long-held beliefs. Beyond the socio-political implications, there’s a thought-provoking exploration of potential spiritual elements at play in these issues. The hosts further dissect the cultural clash over how mental health and identity are perceived across varying political
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. Of course, I’m your host, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. My show, Rush to Reason. Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan. The Bob Duco Show and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York. The Neil Boron Live Show. Guys, how are you this morning?
SPEAKER 03 :
Lovely.
SPEAKER 02 :
Great, John. Thank you very much. Always good to be with you guys, and always a lot to talk about. There’s never a dull moment. We’ve got several things on the slate. We’ll see if we can get to all of them. Let’s start, though, with the trans shooting, and I say trans shooting because it’s becoming almost… Bob, I’ll start with you. I hate to say this, but it’s getting to the point where any time there’s one of these shootings that happens, the first thing you have to look at is, was this a transgender individual doing the shooting?
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s amazing how often this has happened now. This makes about eight or nine trans shootings just in the last few years, okay? This seems to be happening more and more. And, you know, it’s interesting to me that – now, first, we’ve got to put this into context, okay? This guy who – some burly-looking big guy who wears high heels and makeup and thinks of himself as a woman – It’s not that he was just trying to target random individuals. It does appear that he was targeting his own family. He killed his wife and he shot his three children that were there. At this point, it doesn’t look like they died, which is good. But oh, my goodness, what those kids have to be going through now. This is who our dad turned out to be. Our mom is now dead, and wow. But still, there’s the mental instability issue here. And it just seems to me that for all of the talk, for all of the talk about mental health issues that we hear so much, my goodness, if somebody is that disconnected from reality, that they think they’re a different gender than they are, if we had somebody who – if there was somebody who believed – that they were a bird and thought they could fly, if they believe they were a space alien, if they really believe that they were a dog and putting their bowl on the ground and drinking out of it on all fours, everybody would say that person has mental health issues and needs counseling. But a guy who thinks he’s a girl and wears high-heeled shoes and makeup, and that guy doesn’t need counseling. So Mental health issues. It doesn’t surprise me that we’re seeing so many transgender people carrying out these shootings and mass shootings because these are mentally unhinged people. And if there was ever an argument for red flag laws, and I’m not a fan of red flag laws. Me neither. If there was ever an argument for one, it would be transgender people that are disconnected from reality.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really quick, I had a dialogue going back and forth on my text line with a liberal yesterday along those same lines because I brought this topic up and I said, listen, you guys on the left, you know, first of all, you won’t admit that this is a mental illness, but you have your laws. I call them your laws because they’re not mine. I didn’t institute them, Bob, nor would I have.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
They’ve got their own red flag laws, and it’s amazing. I could not get, and this, of course, won’t shock either one of you and most of our listeners either, but at the end of the day, I couldn’t get this liberal to admit that transgenderism is a mental illness and should fall under the red flag laws they produce themselves.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know. But you know what, though? He probably does think that if you don’t believe in evolution or you’re not on the global warming bandwagon, that you’re anti-science and therefore you’re mentally unhealthy and a red flag law should apply to you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, I did have another listener yesterday that called in and I wanted to throw this at you specifically because I was thinking of you, believe it or not, when this particular person said this. I had a call yesterday that said, listen, this whole transgender movement, this is, not only is it mental illness, and I agree with Bob and I’ve said that all along, but This person said, you know, this is really on the demonic end of things. These people that really feel like they’re, you know, in the wrong body and they want to replace God really in their lives with, you know, with mutilation of their own body. This this is he basically said this isn’t even borderline demonic. This is demonic behavior.
SPEAKER 03 :
I believe it. And look at it. Look at the result. I mean, the destruction of human beings. And, you know, you look at Genesis. God created mankind in his own image. uh male and female he created them this idea that um that you can trans to the other sex or gender and word they want to use you know is ludicrous and it’s the ultimate deception that has ever existed on the planet it’s unbelievable how deceived these people have become now let me just say too i think since it is a mental illness and there’s no question about it in my mind that we need to think about having conversation about these individuals with some degree of compassion, given the fact that if somebody was so mentally ill that they thought they were a bird and jumped off a building as a result, that ought to grieve our hearts. But what’s amazing too, I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve probably read 15 articles on this, and I began to notice as I was reading the articles that there was no mention of pronouns, like in other words, never was this shooter referred to as a he or him. And I think in one article it called him a father, which he was. Of course, he was a father. He shot his own.
SPEAKER 04 :
Why not a mother?
SPEAKER 03 :
why not right right so but either way either way that you can see that the press was doing everything possible to help prop up this charade that somehow this individual was a woman not a man um and then also i think you know you guys probably in some sense referred to it but but if if these many mass shootings are happening in the transgender community well how small is the transgender community so actually it’s an incredibly high percentage of people struggling with you know this transgender ideology that are conducting violent you know shootings so i i don’t know nobody seems to be talking about that actually you know what neil there was a john nolte of breitbart news
SPEAKER 04 :
Did a thing on this. It was, I believe, about a couple of years ago. And at the time, there were like five transgender mass shootings in a four-year period at the time. And he was like, let’s do the math. Here’s how many people. And he went to the – like there’s some group called – I don’t know what they’re called, but like a pro-transgender group, like a main national group for transgenders. According to their own numbers of how many transgenders there are in America compared to how many total Americans there are, he said that if you had the same number of non-transgenders carrying out mass shootings, then we would be having 900 mass shootings a year. Wow. And I’m talking about – actual mass shootings like these we’re not talking about the skewed numbers that the media uses where they include gangland shootings in the in the inner cities if you remove that you just look at somebody going into a school and shooting people up you would have non-transgender people doing this 900 times a year if the proportion of populations were the same wow amazing neil really quick before we move on sunpower led talk about them for a moment if you would
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SPEAKER 03 :
I was just going to add, you know, we were talking about this mass shooting in Rhode Island. It was just over a week ago that there was a mass shooting by a trans person in Tumblr Ridge, Western Canada. At a school. Yeah, right. But I almost wonder if there was a copycat aspect to what happened in Rhode Island as a result of the publicity that was given to Tumblr Ridge. And obviously, you know, a mass shooting… the size of what happened there in Western Canada is something that’s going to make it to the news. But in some way, do you, do you see that there’s, I mean, do you suspect that there’s any kind of a tie in there? Are these individuals just demented and wanting to carry out violence because of their own self-hatred or where they feel they’re at in life? Or do you think there’s any kind of a, you know, copycat effect here? In other words, we want more publicity for the trans community.
SPEAKER 02 :
It sounds twisted, but who knows? No, Neil. And by the way, I think my answer to that is I think it could easily be all of the above. I mean, these are individuals that are I mean, and Bob said it, you know, we need to be kind and gentle. And or maybe it was you, Neil, that said that we can be kind and gentle. These people, they have a mental illness. We would never encourage someone with a mental illness to continue down the track that these people are on. That’s what’s so ironic about all of this. The one thing I want to dovetail into in a moment is the. the parental sides of this. I mean, but to answer your question, Neil, I think, personally, I think it could be all of the above. Could it be a copycat incident? Sure. Could it be the fact that they’re fighting all of these, you know, inner demons, I guess you could say, that are talking in their head and telling them they’re in the wrong body? I mean… Again, these are mentally ill things that people do. I mean, to Bob’s point, you know, I could claim that, you know, I’m a dog and I would hope that somebody would come along and say, no, John, you’re not a dog and let’s get you some help. I mean, the reality is, and Bob, this is where I want to dovetail into with the parental end of things. You know, now we’ve got this sort of in vogue thing where if your kids are transgender. So now we’ve got parents that are really pushing this nonsense on their kids. And I call it I call it out on my show all the time. It’s child abuse.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, absolutely. It’s child abuse. It’s sick child abuse. Not to mention the fact that, look, we already have the precedent being set of doctors and psychologists being sued and losing for two million dollars. In that one case from a detransitioner who’s like, are you people crazy? What did you do to me? I’m wondering if some of these lawsuits aren’t going to gradually start making it to some of the liberal left-wing parents who have rainbow flags flying out in front of their home. It’s like, you’re supposed to be my mom and dad. You’re supposed to protect me. And you actually took me to get mutilated in this way. And the rest of my life, I’m scarred for the rest of my life. What’s wrong with you people? Right. So, no, this is just this is a flat out mental illness. It encourages it is child abuse as far as I’m concerned. And, you know, quite for I mean, you look at the you look at these shootings like the Canadian school shooting, if I could say on a little side note. That school was also a gun-free zone. Very true. There was nobody there to try to stop this guy partway through. But, no, it’s horrendous. You hate seeing this kind of tragedy happen. But the more that we affirm people’s mental illnesses, the more you’re going to get this kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 02 :
One last thing along those lines I want to throw in there, because I said this yesterday, and I had a listener that called in and said, listen, when all of these lawsuits are done, don’t be shocked if the malpractice end of things, they don’t allow transgender surgeries. And so, in other words, they won’t be able to get malpractice insurance for that. So mark my words on this, guys. The Democrats will step in. and create some sort of government-funded insurance for these particular doctors that decide to do these things, because that’s how demented the left is, because they would disagree with everything we’re talking about here and what we’re talking about with transgenderism and mental illness and so on. And Bob, I’m with you. I mean, I call it out. It’s complete child abuse on that side. You wonder down the road how many more lawsuits will happen you know along those lines from these kids being literally you know allowed to be mutilated by their parents i mean guys this is a and the reason why i wanted to go on this topic a little bit is because this is a really deep-seated anti-god movement neil that’s all it is i mean you can you can call it anything you want to but this is literally an anti-god move because when you say listen god you made me the wrong way i’m going to fix it you’re now replacing him in your life
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And, you know, what came to mind in this whole thing was the boy with the demon. It’s talked about in I think it’s Matthew chapter 17. But, you know, here that there’s an attempt to cast this demon out and, you know, the disciples are unsuccessful and literally at their wits end, they don’t know what to do. And so. Jesus eventually steps in and says, hey, look at this kind, this situation. This only works with prayer and fasting, that there’s something special about this situation. And the level of deception, you asked me the question earlier about whether or not I felt this was demonic, and I think you probably feel the same way. But the point is that the level of deception is so twisted, so high, so demonic, that you that prayer and fasting probably is the only thing that’s going to work i don’t see somebody passing some law or you know changing insurance regulations about who’s going to be liable if a person gets these surgeries or they mutilate the genitals of some child who later grows up to be a mass shooter you know you can sue everybody all you want but the bottom line is i don’t think anything like this is going to change until god gets a hold of the heart of the individual who’s caught up in this and we should have broken hearts toward it It can make us angry. It should in the sense that innocent human lives are being taken and that this deception is going on. And we see the legacy media promoting this kind of thing. But ultimately, this just represents evil. And we know that God is able to overcome that. Light overcomes darkness. Truth always prevails in the end. And I don’t think we should lose heart. But I do think we need to pray and fast and not just talk about it on our radio shows. And I’m not throwing stones at us. I’m just saying. People can discuss these things over lunch or at the water cooler and be as passionate about their feelings as they want, but prayer accomplishes things. The prayer of a righteous man avails much. So I don’t want to be overly spiritual, but I also want to remind people there are things that only God can do.
SPEAKER 02 :
Agreed. And I do think, you know, to your point, all of that being said, and I do think that even, Bob, some of those folks that maybe not as Christian as maybe, you know, the three of us are. Let me just say it that way. I’m not trying to, you know, cast judgment on where somebody’s at in their spiritual life. I don’t know. None of really, you know. Not for me to judge. Let me just say it that way. But I do think, Bob, that there are folks out there that maybe don’t even have any faith at all that are looking at some of this saying, wait a minute, timeout. You know, we’ve gone down this path and it’s evidently not working out so well. And my point is, politically speaking, I do think there’s some things that the conservative movement can run on here. And this being one of them, I think there’s a lot of folks, even some folks that are on the left that are looking at this thing. Wait a minute. We’ve gone down this path. It’s not working out so well. What’s wrong here?
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Well, guess what? The liberal left-wing progressives in Europe and European nations, they’re seeing this. A European nation after nation, starting with the UK and others, are banning these procedures on kids under 19 years old. So there is a certain awareness among the secular community that, okay, this is insane. We’re mutilating the body. And I just got to say on a side, by the way, the New York Times, when the New York Times reported on the Rhode Island shooting, You know, they did not at one time in the story reference that this guy was transgender. Not one time. Just kind of censoring that. But there are some people that are saying, well, no, it’s different because he did actually have sex reassignment surgery. And so he really was a female. No. Sticking to what I’ve said for years, there’s no such thing as sex change operations. You can’t change your sex. DNA doesn’t change. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I can take a dog and mutilate him to make him look like a pig. I can shave him bald. I can spray paint him pink. I can put his tail around a curling iron. I can surgically alter his nose to make it look like a pig snout. And I can amputate his paws and replace him with hooves. And I can overfeed him. At the end of the day, I don’t have a pig. I have a severely mutilated dog. And you don’t have a woman when a man mutilates his body – you have a severely mutilated man that that’s just science. It’s not just scripture. It’s science. It’s biology. It’s reality.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. Oh, that’s exactly right. A lot more to talk about here. I’m afraid guys, I’m sorry to say this, that this will not be the last one of these that we hear about because until we start identifying all of what we’ve talked about, that this is in fact a mental illness that these people let, you know, let to their own accord, if you would, are going to do these sorts of things because they’re battling things inside of their own brain. Um, that the reality is they’re not normal. And we’ve talked about this many times. We, not us, but we as a society are encouraging this behavior. It’s the only mental illness that I know of where we encourage it and don’t do something about it. In other words, we don’t institutionalize the people. We don’t try to help them with medications and so on. There’s lots of mental illness out there, guys, that we treat on a regular basis. But in this case, we’re encouraging it.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, can I just say, I’m sorry, real quick, just real quick. We don’t tell anorexic people to go on a diet.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, that’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because they actually believe that they’re heavy. We don’t do that.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Or body dysmorphic, people that are, you know, paying for…
SPEAKER 02 :
massive amounts of surgeries to their face thinking that they’re ugly we don’t say hey you know you’re right you’re still pretty ugly you should get more surgery or people you know people that suffer from severe depression guys there’s huge mental illness on the depression and we don’t tell people oh you’re depressed well that’s because you’re ugly that’s because you’re worthless that’s because you’re you’re you know you’re you’re all of these things that you know that they think they are and that’s why they’re depressed we don’t encourage them to go down that path we do just the opposite guys
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, but we do say, oh, you’re depressed because you’re in the wrong body.
SPEAKER 02 :
We do say that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, we do do that. Which is backwards from everything else that you’re saying. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s fascinating is that you guys are saying that in the UK, which is something I wasn’t aware of, that there’s more pushback on this stuff than there is here. Oh, yeah. The UK and Sweden and France. Right. And if so, so if somebody said, okay, over the last 20 years, has evangelical Orthodox Christianity been, you know, the mainstay here in the West or more in the UK kind of thing? Like, you know, and I would say that you still find, you know, Bible believing churches in the United States of America, and there’s probably a few over in the UK, but Understand what I’m saying? There’s been an assault on Christianity and the truth of God’s word and kicking people out of church if they try to quote the Bible and say that they believe in Jesus and whatever. I mean, and yet some of them are saying that this doesn’t make any sense. I can’t believe that it’s happened so quickly here in the United States. It’s unbelievable in that sense.
SPEAKER 02 :
Nope, you’re exactly right, 100%. Let’s do this. We’ve got just a few minutes here before we have to take a quick break and talk about our sponsors. Jesse Jackson, and I can’t imitate Rush Limbaugh. Bob, like what he did. The Reverend Jesse Jackson. I can’t do it like he did. Reverend Jesse Jackson. He has passed away. And I’m not celebrating that by any means, and not trying to be mean or rude, but I will say this. That’s an individual that used his pastoral ship, I guess you could say, and I’ll just say it straight up in a very evil way. Sorry, I know any other way to say it, guys, because I’d never looked at him with very high regard.
SPEAKER 04 :
I mean, I tend to agree with you. I mean, I told my audience, of course, that we need to be praying for his family, of course. And it’s my hope and prayer that he genuinely knew Jesus Christ, although it was backwards in a lot of his views that he had. He was a race baiter, just like Al Sharpton and others. But I also find it interesting, though. That there are some people – if you read Donald Trump’s kind of eulogy statement that he gave, it was very, very generous to Jesse Jackson. Called him a great man and such. And there are some on the left that are saying, oh, Donald Trump has no business being such a racist and invoking the name of Jesse Jackson or whatever. And it’s – Such an absolute joke. You know, Jesse Jackson invited Donald Trump. This is before he was president. This is back when he was doing Apprentice. Invited Donald Trump on the stage in New York City at his Rainbow Push Coalition thing to publicly thank Donald Trump for everything that he’s been doing for the African-American community, including disproportionately hiring black people to help build his Trump Tower and a bunch of other things as well. I mean, there are just so many things. I just I find it interesting not to take it from Jackson to Trump, but I just find it interesting that before 2015, of all the interviews that Donald Trump did with Oprah Winfrey, Barbara Walters, The View, everybody else, not one person ever asked him a racial question. Not Oprah Winfrey, nobody. He didn’t magically become a racist until he came down the gold escalator in 2015 as a conservative Republican.
SPEAKER 02 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very true. But yeah, but Jesse Jackson, I mean, we should be praying for his family, of course. And There were good things that he did, but unfortunately, yeah, he did use his fame, his reverend title, and quite frankly, his skin color as a means of dividing people in a way that I just don’t think was appropriate.
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And that’s it for the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. Myself, John Rush, Bob Duco, Neil Boron. We’ll be back for the second half. Guys, thank you so much. Again, the National Crawford Roundtable.
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We are back. Second half, National Carver Roundtable. Thank you for listening. Myself, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. I’m the host today. Rush to Reason is my show, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York, The Neil Boron Live Show. And all right, let’s move on. And this is something that I didn’t have in my notes for you guys, but I wanted to slip this in just because I think it’s a big deal just because, and I’ve got my own feelings on our side of the aisle when it comes to messaging and And, Bob, I’ll start with you. That’s the SAVE Act and the amount of absolute utter lies coming out of the left right now. They’re just flat-out lies.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Two big things about this. First of all, for people like Chuck Schumer to call this, his words, Jim Crow 2.0. Yep. What an insult to black people that actually had to live through Jim Crow laws. That’s right. How can you equate asking for photo ID, how can you equate that with having fire hoses and dogs sicked on you for being beaten for trying to cross a bridge like the Edmund Pettus Bridge, for trying to order a cup of coffee at a Woolworth’s counter, for sitting at the front of a bus and getting arrested for that? How can you compare these laws to… to asking for ID, the very same photo ID that’s required to attend the Democratic National Convention. You can’t get into the DNC without photo ID. And by the way, while we’re at it, you can’t get an abortion without photo ID. You can’t pick up tickets at Wilcoff or sporting events or concerts. You can’t even vote in a union without a photo ID. And the list is endless about the things you need photo ID for. So I guess… We’re just trying to suppress black people from attending the DNC and attending sporting events or concerts. That must be what’s happening here. You’re right. This is over the top dishonest. It’s fake, manufactured outrage. They can’t win a debate on the facts and the issues themselves. So all the Democrats can do is try to smear their opponents as racist, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, some kind of phobe. It’s dirty, dirty politics. And I wish independent swing voters would wise up to that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, the biggest lie of all of this, and Bob’s right on everything he said, but the biggest lie and the fact that there are now mostly politicians, there’s a few probably younger women that have jumped on this bandwagon because, I’ll just say it as it is, they’re just not intelligent individuals. And that is this whole idea that because a woman gets married, she can no longer have proper ID to vote. I mean, Neil, I mean, honestly, I have never heard anything so ludicrous in my entire life. I’m trying to keep black people from marrying. Now why?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, like people from getting married, right? That’s what it is. You know, the other thing is that the implication here is that if you’re a member of a minority group or, you know, you’re an immigrant here in this country, that it would be an undue hardship upon you to get married. uh photo identification no actually in america you know the fact that you’re a citizen comes with benefits and when you’re a legal citizen of the united states of america you have the privilege of voting so getting an id is not hard and if you’re like well i don’t own a car and it would be a long drive you know to the department of motor vehicles or something where i could get my license and get a photo identification so i can vote in the next election really like if Stop and think about it for a minute. If you’re African-American, if you’re an immigrant from some other country, how does it feel that people like Chuck Schumer are implying that you’re not capable of getting yourself photo identification? And for all the reasons Bob mentioned, I mean, look at the hypocrisy in what they’re saying. If you need a photo ID to get into the Democratic National Convention, why shouldn’t you have a photo ID when you go to vote? That’s not an undue hardship. And what they’re really doing, the bottom line is they’re trying to keep as many ineligible voters eligible to vote by not having photo IDs so that people can falsely identify and walk in and vote in those elections. That’s the only way these people are going to stay. I almost said nitwits. The nitwits are going to stay in power. Knuckleheads, John would go. Yeah, stop and think about it. Folks, stop and think about what’s happening there. It’s disgusting.
SPEAKER 02 :
And really quick, I just have to focus on this whole, you know, we’ve seen several different politicians, you know, female politicians come out and talk about how, you know, as a married woman now, how hard it would be to vote. I mean, we all are married. We’ve had, you know, ladies in our lives where they’ve done the name changes and so on. And the reality is, yes, there’s a process there. It’s. And I want to say that it’s super easy. It’s a process. I don’t want to say it’s hard. Bob, it’s just a process. And there’s nothing that keeps a woman from taking on her husband’s name, hyphenating the last name if they want to, keeping the maiden name. I mean, women can do whatever they want to at the end of the day. We as conservatives believe, listen, you do you. We don’t really care at the end of the day. But the point being, Bob, to change their name and still be able to vote. I mean, how many millions of women out there today are doing just that? You know what?
SPEAKER 04 :
Before this fake manufactured outrage from the left over this, before this, I don’t remember for years and years, decades and decades, I don’t remember National Organization for Women or any of the feminists on The View or the Hollywood feminists or any of them complaining about about any states that you show photo ID to vote because women are being suppressed. Women aren’t being able to vote. It was never an issue. Nobody thought anything about that. If you’re a woman, here’s what your name is. All you do is verify that, yep, this is what your name is. You have ID for this. If the SAVE Act passes, a woman can just take her driver’s license in Her maiden name was Smith and her married name is Jones. Her driver’s license says Mary Jones. You go in there, you show your driver’s license, it says Mary Jones. It’s not that complicated. It’s photo ID. They can look at the picture of you. They can look at the name on there. They see that Mary Jones is who she registered to vote as. That’s it. You don’t have to take your birth certificate to vote. And then have to reconcile between – This whole idea – I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 02 :
You just reminded me of something, Bob. This whole idea that there’s – again, female politicians running around talking about how you need to change the name on your birth certificate. I mean they’re not that dumb, Bob. They can’t be. They know this.
SPEAKER 04 :
They know this is a lie. What they’re banking on is the ignorance, and I know it’s a harsh word, but the ignorance of a few million apolitical voters in this country that just go by the headlines they read and the feelings they feel. And if they’re like, oh, well, this isn’t fair to women. Okay, fine. And those people that don’t take the time to investigate what the facts are, you only need to dupe a few million people and you can swing elections. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
good you know what i’ve done close to 100 weddings over the last 25 years officiated and i’ve seen many marriage licenses right on the license itself when people are applying for a marriage license they ask you what your name is and you have to prove who you are at that point and then what you want your name to be after you’re married and so you can i mean even even the male can change his name if he wants to uh in that particular situation but It’s all taken care of on the marriage license. And once the marriage occurs, then you’ve got a new name and you’re going to have new ID to correspond with that. It’s an absolutely manufactured, bogus argument to try to keep the ability for these people who are not eligible to vote on the voter rolls.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s exactly right. Another lie, of course, the left puts out constantly is the whole abortion topic, and they lie literally to women on a regular basis as to how that works as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and it’s fascinating. We refer to this as light therapy, but the more established word in the medical community is photobiomodulation. You’re really just harnessing light, red and near-infrared light, to get into the cellular level of the body and make changes. And in the same way that photosynthesis affects plants or sunlight stimulates vitamin D synthesis, light waves, red and near infrared light waves from the light spectrum that God created can be used to help heal our body. So when we have tissues in our body that are injured or stressed or just old, the mitochondria produce less ATP and more free radicals. But if you can energize them, utilizing photobiomodulation, all of a sudden your body starts to heal itself again. And it’s unbelievable how this has worked for so many different applications, plantar fasciitis, wound care, spinal stenosis, tinnitus, vision problems. There’s even a video at SunPowerLED on their website of a gentleman who was blind and used this and was able to recover his sight and is riding motorcycles today. Check it out for yourself. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED, and ask yourself the question, can I use light? To heal my body as opposed to, you know, big pharma pharmaceuticals. And the answer is yes, absolutely. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on SunPowerLED. And if you want, use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10 for a 10% discount just because you’re a listener to the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, John.
SPEAKER 02 :
And moving from the SAVE Act, which in and of itself is just really disheartening the way the left handles things and just their blatant lies to the people. But sorry, guys, got to move into AOC being overseas and just listening to some of her just word salad and the stuff that comes out of her mouth. I mean, Bob, start with you. Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea to send her over there?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I – to – well, okay. So my thoughts on this, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re just wrong, Bob.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. So look, we’re not unburdened by what has been. And so, okay. Rosebud. Rosebud. That’s my answer. Unbelievable. I’ll tell you what. It is incredible. You talk about a graduate of the Kamala Harris Word Salad Academy. Oh, my word. AOC. And here’s the amazing thing, guys. She was over there to try to build her foreign policy chops for a 2028 possible presidential run. And I’m thinking to myself, you don’t go over there on the world stage and and try to show people how knowledgeable you are about foreign policy when you don’t even understand what’s going on with Taiwan and the concerns about China trying to take over Taiwan and might they militarily seize control of Taiwan and then does the U.S. step in militarily to defend them because Taiwan is an ally and we receive a whole lot of electronic equipment from Taiwan. So this is a – how do you not know something like that? And stumble through that with a Kamala Harris word salad answer. But then it’s not just that, John. This is also the woman who sat there at this transatlantic partnership talking about the West, okay, the people in Europe and the people in the Americas. And here we are. It’s the transatlantic countries coming together. And she complained about how Donald Trump is ruining this transpacific partnership. She didn’t even realize what ocean she was across at that point. Right. Oh, and by the way, this is the very same AOC that was complaining about Donald Trump going in and arresting Nicolas Maduro out of Venezuela and saying you can’t do that just because a country is south of the equator. All right. Well, Google Maps will let you see 100 percent of Venezuela is above the equator. Right. It’s like, stop it. Stop it. Just, you know, go read a book.
SPEAKER 02 :
So really quick along those lines because I have felt for years that AOC specifically, there’s others maybe like her, but her specifically, I do believe that there are puppeteers behind her. She was placed because of looks and so on and the ability to actually win that election and so on because she absolutely doesn’t have a brain cell one of intelligence and she proves that on an ongoing basis. What I don’t understand though is – Those folks that put her into place, have they just now, Bob, disappeared and left her to her own accord? Are they not coaching her? I mean, I’m really dumbfounded because for the longest time, they poured a lot of things into her to make her actually at times seem halfway intelligent. She’s never been super bright, but… brighter than she is right now. What’s happened, Bob? You know, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
She used to be a bartender. So it’s like, OK, so she knows usually how to string words together, you know, talking with people in a bar. But no, she’s never been the brightest bulb in the room. And I don’t know. I don’t know. what her handlers were thinking. I don’t know if this is a case where she’s just so ego-driven that she’s like, don’t you dare tell me I’m not ready to go over there. I was like, oh, yes, ma’am. Yes, ma’am. I mean, I just, I don’t really know what it is, but look, here’s my thing though. She’s going to get reelected. The Democrats in her district are going to keep real. Look at how many times they’ve reelected Hank Johnson, the United States Congressman, who famously Yeah, famously said, we got too many people on Guam because I’m afraid it’s liable to tip over and capsize. And he meant that.
SPEAKER 02 :
He was serious.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, on one of the committees. He’s supposed to be the smart people on the committees grilling an admiral about that. And the admiral was like, we don’t anticipate that. My goodness. But he’s been reelected nine or ten times since he did that. Just like she’s going to keep on getting reelected for her word salads.
SPEAKER 02 :
And Neil, I’m not trying to be mean here, but these are people that work for us. I always have to remind people that the way our republic works is we can’t go do these jobs. We elect people, which means they’re on our payroll. This is where I think even Christians get things so backwards at times. We… Our government, we the people. Yes, should we pray for our leaders? Yeah, pray for one another. We’re the leaders of the country. We’re hiring these people to go do a job we can’t do. They’re not the leaders. We are. But at the end of the day, Neil, sometimes they’re not real bright. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, I mean, in one sense, she fits the bill. She’s good looking, you know, by all accounts. Most people would say she’s an attractive person, you know, physically. And then she’s got name recognition. And if that’s the case, then you’ve got a shot of winning. Like Gavin Newsom in California. You know, if you don’t really pay attention to the policies, you’re likely to elect the guy just because, you know, he seems like he fits the bill. Trudeau in Canada, same thing. True. Bottom line is she is not qualified to be president of the United States. And while anyone has the opportunity to strive for it or to try to achieve that position, she’s not ready and she wouldn’t be good for America. I think that the one thing that fits what Democrats are looking for is she hates Donald Trump and she hates conservative values and she isn’t afraid to talk about it. And even though she often, you know, spews word salads about whatever it is she’s talking about that that people overlook that. And they’re just like, well, she’s on my team because I can’t stand Donald Trump or conservative values. So I think she’s the candidate that we want to get behind. And it’s a disaster. Good Lord. Can you imagine if she was the commander in chief and, you know, running the United States of America and, you know, concerned with our own self-defense, et cetera?
SPEAKER 02 :
I would be terrified to have her terrified to know which were the Navy fleets headed.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Seriously.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. To the North Pole to be with Santa Claus.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, Bob, honestly, she doesn’t know the Atlantic from the Pacific. I’d be afraid of where the Navy fleet is headed if she were president.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would, too. And you know what the scary thing is? That it wouldn’t be a 80% to 20% vote in America. She’d probably lose, but it’d be 51-49.
SPEAKER 02 :
And that’s how scary this is, how many people are willing to vote for… Well, and to dovetail this into, you know, and we’re going to talk a lot about the Olympics, but I feel like this dovetails in because now we’ve got Olympians whereby they’re losing and claiming it’s because of Donald Trump and his anti-LGBTQ stance and so on that they just can’t function correctly. They can’t compete correctly. And I just want to say, wow. You lost. It’s nobody’s fault but your own. Maybe you should have been better at what you were doing. This is not Donald Trump’s fault. I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
It cracks me up, which, by the way, can I just say about the Olympics? This is getting so confusing for me, guys. Okay, you have a woman skier. She’s a female skier. And she identifies as a man. All right. However, she’s not competing in the men’s skiing. She’s competing in the women’s skiing. So she’s competing against other women. But it’s a man in her mind, in her words, competing in the women’s thing. First of all, I find it interesting that men who think they’re women are. want to compete against the women. But women who think they’re men, they want to still compete against the women. But NBC issued an official apology for misgendering, quote, him by reporting him as her. And they even said, but this wasn’t an NBC employee. This was a foreign correspondent. But we aired the foreign correspondent misgendering him, referring to him as her. This is a woman competing against the women. So I’m just – Neil, I don’t know, man. Help me out. I’m getting confused. I’m trying to understand. I can’t even report the news anymore because I have to do extra research to find out, okay, once I go through the double backflip of pronoun gymnastics to try to figure out is it actually really a man or actually really a woman. This is how it’s saying. NBC, apologize, Neil.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And the bottom line is, if you call whoever is, you know, wanting to be called a man or a woman, despite what they were born as, if you call them by their biological, you know what they were born as biologically, you’re in trouble. So like you. And that’s the way that the world works right now. And this is apparently what people really want to see and hear. But it’s so confusing just hearing you trying to explain it. I couldn’t follow what you were saying, Bob.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can’t follow what I’m saying myself. Before you know it, I start breaking into a Kamala Harris AOC rant because I’m like, I’m not sure exactly how to report this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Is this the world people really want to live in? Do you think that the vast majority of people really want this? I think people are smart enough to know that it’s nonsense, but we’re being spoon-fed this by the legacy media and by social media and everything else. I don’t know. I feel like if everybody stood up, raised up, and said, no, no more. We’re going to call people by their biological sex. Whatever you were born as is what you’re going to be. We’re not going to play your game anymore. People that have sanity would actually win. but everyone’s too timid to do it. I don’t understand.
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree. Well, which kind of leads to another subject when it comes to the Olympics, Bob, and that is some of these athletes that are Americans that are now on the Chinese team or that are there denouncing the USA. In fact, they’re urinating and doing – it’s just – I mean, for us as a country, I look at that, and as a young man growing up, I don’t watch the Olympics much anymore, but as a young man, I always looked forward to it. I thought it was a big deal, us winning all the different things that we did, especially at that time when – Other countries paid their athletes and we didn’t. I really thought it was great when we won things. Granted, times have changed, but we’ve now entered into this whole woke culture, Bob, where the Olympics, to me personally, they’re just not fun anymore. I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
You know, I hate to say it, but it’s just, yes, they have been so politicized. And it’s like, isn’t this something that we can at least all come together on and root for our country? I mean, you got that one Olympian, some guy who obviously is anti-Trump, is like, I got mixed emotions about wearing red. you know, wearing my country’s colors here. I’m really playing for my friends and family, okay, because I don’t agree with our – you know, criticizing Trump and Trump’s ICE policies. Now, he ended up backtracking. I’m proud to compete for our country, okay. That’s only after Donald Trump called him out and said, you know what, what a loser then. Don’t compete on behalf of America if you’re not going to be proud to support America, you know, this type of thing. So – No, I know. It’s just – knock it off with the politics. That’s what drives me crazy here, OK? Whether it’s the NFL and their stupid left-wing slogans that are required to put in the end zones or the Olympics thing or whatever. And you know what else? Can I just say on a side note? Isn’t it interesting? It is usually – the people that are politicizing and dividing Americans over things in the world of sports – tend to be overwhelmingly liberal Democrats that are creating the division here. You don’t see a bunch of conservatives. Look, when Obama was president, when Biden was president, you didn’t see conservatives out there going, oh, don’t support that guy because do you know that he’s a registered Democrat? Okay, or he supports Biden’s policies. No, we were like, hey, let’s have a nice oasis and enjoy the Olympics and come together whether we’re Republicans or Democrats. So what? We’re both rooting for America. That’s how conservatives look at it, not liberals.
SPEAKER 02 :
Bob, talk to us about Preborn before we close things out here.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. And I am thrilled, actually, to be part of the growing number of people that have seen the benefits of light therapy or photobiomodulation to help heal their bodies. I had COVID really bad in 2021. I think it was the Delta variant. But, you know, I’ve had COVID several times and several times since. It was no big deal. But in this particular case, I would take a deep breath and I was getting nothing out of it. You’re supposed to have like 98, 99, 100 percent oxygen saturation in your blood. And I was at 79 to 82, just standing up and walking three steps, you know, sent it dangerously low. And I was in danger of going into a hospital and going on a ventilator. But by God’s grace, folks heard about it, recommended light therapy from SunPower LED. And I began to use it on my body. I would just hold a unit against my chest in various places. My wife would hold it on my back. And in a matter of just a couple weeks, I completely turned around. And after suffering for a month, being unable to breathe in that condition, in less than two weeks, I was back at 100%. So light therapy makes a tremendous difference to be able to heal arthritis pain, joint pain, spinal stenosis, epilepsy, tinnitus. Check it out for yourself. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on SunPowerLED.com. and learn what light therapy can do to help heal your body. And by the way, if you’re there, use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10, and you’ll save 10%. John?
SPEAKER 02 :
Got about a minute left, guys. 30 seconds left, Bob. I’ll give you that, and then I’ll give Neil 30 seconds, and we’ll close out.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. Well, it is it really is an insane clown world that we live in. But I suppose for me right now, this I look at what’s happening in Washington, the SAVE Act. OK, you know what? Let’s just let’s just encourage people to look at this logically and expose the Democrats for the fake phony outrage that they continually play. They’re doing this in everything. Every single thing is let’s get outraged about something from the right and accuse them of racism, sexism, xenophobia, whatever it is. Don’t fall for it, folks. Just don’t fall for it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, just a few seconds left. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, you know, if you took all the Epstein files and stacked them on top of each other, they would be about 1,200 feet high. Think about that. Six million documents, supposedly. We can’t fix what’s wrong with the world in twisted situations like the transgender shootings and the Epstein files, but we can share Christ with our neighbor, and I pray that we would be sincere about living as believers and walking in truth, walking in the light and knowing that God is able to fix our country and fix our communities through the power of prayer. So let’s do that as believers.
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. That’s it. Another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. Thanks for listening.
SPEAKER 01 :
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