This episode navigates the intricate web of political and economic factors influencing the United States today. John Rush and his guests tackle vital topics such as energy security, environmental policy, and economic resilience. As they examine California’s response to its devastating wildfires, critical insights are drawn about state governance and federal oversight. Additionally, the episode provides a deep dive into financial solutions such as reverse mortgages and adaptive healthcare approaches that challenge the status quo, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of the current socio-economic landscape.
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All right, it’s that time. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. It’s Tuesday. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. We’ll have Jordan Goodman on. He was with us a moment ago, but he is no longer there. So Charlie will get him back going. We must have, I don’t know, maybe Jordan’s on his cell phone or something.
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Maybe.
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Well, and we’ll get you. I’m not on. Yeah, you will be. Now you’re on.
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I’m on. Yay, I’m on.
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Now we can hear you.
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Well, that’s good. I feel much better now.
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Anyways, if you’ve got a question for Jordan, by the way, send us a text message, 307-200-8222. We can get that asked, 307-200-8222. So outside of Jordan, we’ve got a couple of other guests we’ll cover in the next couple of hours as well. Andy, of course, and I always have plenty of things to talk about, especially right now. There’s never a lack of. And one week from today… I mean, we’ll have a new president on the 20th, but one week from today you’ll actually see some action.
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Yeah, the long hell will end.
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Exactly. Good way of saying it, Andy. All right, Jordan, are you with us? I’m with you. There we go, Jordan.
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Happy New Year, everybody.
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Happy New Year, Jordan.
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The world is about to change in a major, major way next Monday.
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Next Monday. Yeah, I was just saying a second ago that on Tuesday, you know, things will happen on Monday and it’ll be, you know, all glitz and glitter and all of that. But the real activity happens Tuesday, a week from today.
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I think he’s got a lot of things lined up, ready to go.
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I believe you are correct.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, what things do you think will have the biggest impact economically?
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. There’s so many.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. Look, let me just give you mine. I know you’re probably going to say tariffs. I’m going to say oil and gas.
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That’s certainly a major one. If we go to Drill Baby Drill and we can increase production from roughly 14 million barrels a day now to 17 million barrels or so, that’ll lower the price of oil and gas. It’ll make us more energy secure. It’ll also take revenue away from Russia, which is a good thing, because if oil prices go down, that’s bad for them. It’s not instant. It takes a while to build. But if environmental permits move faster and there’s a general encouragement, if lands that have been taken off of lease go back on lease, that happens. As Biden’s leaving, one of the things he did was take the entire Atlantic Ocean and the entire Pacific Ocean off of lease. You might have noticed.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, and he did it in a way that’s going to make it more difficult to undo. I do believe in time Trump will get it undone. Biden’s an idiot, okay? I’m sorry, but he is an absolute idiot. That’s just me talking. I have the right to express my opinion. We should not be taking those off. In fact, we should be opening up far more offshore drilling, in my opinion. But let me ask you this. Jordan, you said that he will increase our economic security. right? Our energy security. How would our increased energy security help us in dealings around the world?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, I mean, we can’t be threatened by Saudi Arabia anymore and OPEC. I mean, we’ve already taken back a lot of share. We used to be much more dependent on OPEC than we are now. And if we’re completely energy independent, it doesn’t affect us hardly at all. So that’s a good thing to have our own. And other places, too, that threaten us. I mean, Venezuela and Russia and all the places that produce oil, if we’re producing the oil instead of them, that makes us much more secure.
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Exactly. Which we’re not that far away from that, to your point, Jordan, just a little uptick in what we’re doing production-wise. I mean, we’re already at a point right now to where this isn’t the Jimmy Carter era, this isn’t the 70s, OPEC doesn’t have the same stranglehold on the world they once had.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Yeah, I mean, when they turned off the spigot, You had four- and five-hour gas lines. That showed up quickly. It affected us. That wouldn’t happen today. The other area is LNG, which is liquefied natural gas, where Biden kind of put a pause on it. That’s one of our greatest strengths and one of the greatest needs around the world, in Europe particularly, because they’ve pretty much been cut off from the Russian natural gas. They need our liquefied natural gas. And we make a ton of money doing it. They need it. It produced a lot of jobs, and Biden kind of put a pause on that, so Trump will take that off. And around in Japan, other places, they need it, too. So that’s another area that we’ll be able to be dominant in.
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Jordan, looking away from Biden for a moment, let’s look at California. Obviously, you know about the wildfires. No, it’s terrible. Yeah, it’s absolutely horrible. And our hearts go out to these people. However, Biden has committed America to spending virtually unlimited amounts of wealth in rebuilding L.A. And, you know, we definitely want to go in and rebuild. I won’t even get into the insurance and all that. We can talk about it later. However… If we are going to look at California, a state that has absolutely mismanaged its way into a disaster. Okay, the fires were going to come anyway, but I’m talking the management of it beforehand. And also the fact that they will not develop their oil and gas, which is huge off their coastline. They’ve shut it down. That hurts America. Is it so bad of us to look at California and say, look, we want to rebuild you and all that, but there’s got to be some strings attached. And one of them, you’ve got to open up. You’ve got to open up the offshore drilling. I mean, because you’re hurting America. You’re hurting our security for America.
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Gavin Newsom would not do it. Okay, so he’s still in there for another year or so.
SPEAKER 06 :
I don’t know. Right now, Gavin Newsom is not politically in a good position.
SPEAKER 12 :
In fact, he’s also not running for re-election, so he doesn’t care.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but he’s got a future in politics he’s going to be looking out for. Yeah, because he’d like to be a senator. He’d like to be president.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right, well, he’s not going to be president.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s not going to be, but he’d like to be.
SPEAKER 06 :
But he’d like to be a senator because he could still win that in that stacked state. But the simple fact is… Look, if they’re not going to open up their oil and gas, they are strangling the rest of the country.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would even put more restrictions on them than that. I mean, I would say some of the money that you guys have already had and allocated and never did anything with in regards to building dam and water storage and so on, you’re going to do that or you’re not getting a nickel.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s all a given. I’m just saying on top of all that, John, look, you’re not getting the money if you’re not going to fix your water problem, if you’re not going to dump the DEI, if you’re not going to stop being racist. But also, my goodness, pay for a lot of it by opening up oil and gas, and those taxes are going to come in to the federal coffers. What do you think, Jordan?
SPEAKER 12 :
Good ideas is not going to happen. I mean, the Democrats run California, and they’re not going to do anything you just asked them to do. You know, that could be a standoff. If Trump says the fingers are attached, I mean, it’s going to be tens of billions, if not trillions of dollars to rebuild Los Angeles. It could take 100 years.
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Yeah, it will not happen in three to five years like something.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no way. This is major, and it’s still burning now. Yeah, I mean, there’s still more destruction going on, as we speak. So it’s going to be a complete—it’s just like Berlin after World War II or something. I mean, it’s going to be a complete rebuild. How are they going to do the Olympics, as I’ve been thinking about them for the last half year in this kind of state? It’s just amazing what’s going to happen. And I think a lot of it was mismanagement. I mean, they had empty reservoirs for water.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and also they didn’t have enough reservoirs. Look, we had approved huge monies for them to build new reservoirs, to build new dams, to do all kinds of things. That one reservoir that was down. They should have had backups for that. They didn’t. They didn’t do anything. They didn’t do any desalinization like they do in Israel, which is a great idea. They’re not doing anything to prepare themselves, and now they want all of Americans to bail them out. Now, I’m not saying we shouldn’t. We should be there for them in this time of need.
SPEAKER 12 :
But environmental restrictions stopped a lot of that from happening. Right, and that’s got to stop. Sierra Club kind of runs California. Right. And they didn’t want to build a reservoir to protect some bird or frog or something.
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Some insect, who knows what.
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Then is it fair to ask Americans, by the way, once again, I want to help them. I want to rebuild. But is it fair to ask them?
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You have a whole different opinion than I do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, no, no, but let me finish.
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Because I don’t care.
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Is it fair to ask Americans to rebuild L.A. with no strings attached?
SPEAKER 12 :
No, it is not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan? Jordan?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it’s a political question, okay?
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Yeah, get political for a moment.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, I want them to be rebuilt as well, but it’s going to be major, major money for a long, long, long time. The other part, you mentioned insurance, is related to this, okay? The insurance companies are going to lose billions of dollars on this, and the result is they’re going to pull out of California. A lot of them already have. State Farm, for example, pulled out and canceled hundreds of thousands of policies on California. Brilliant move.
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Brilliant move.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. And now, what other insurance companies want to go into L.A. now with the way the fires are there? I mean, they’re going to lose billions on this thing. And who’s going to pay for that? All of us. The rest of the country. is going to have higher premiums to pay for California.
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Well, isn’t it fair for the new incoming president to say, look, your state cannot wreck insurance rates for the rest of the country. You have to change some of these rules that you are placing on insurance companies and cutting off their prices, freezing their prices. You’ve got to change some of that for us to fix you.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it’s going to be quite a negotiation because you’re right. The insurance companies… are not charitable organization better make money and uh… they have to have rates of assume because i wish they were taking them a lot of companies pulled out to live in like the rest thing thing with florida florida’s republican state and a lot of insurance companies are pulled out of florida because of hurricane right damage as well you’ve got to be able to have them charge premiums behind after complicated at risk i mean billions of dollars they’re going to be paying for the uh… and a lot of it people were covered they were covered by what’s called the fair plan which is the california state insurance fund which is dramatically underfunded i mean i think i have like seven hundred million dollars or and this is going to be a hundred billion or something like that of i mean it’s going to be more than that so they’re gonna have to beef up their own state insurance uh… mother’s gonna come from somewhere so if this doesn’t happen uh… l i could be a wasteland for decades
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Could very well be. All right, great segue. We’ll come right back. Jordan, real quick, how do folks find you?
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They can always email me, jordan at moneyanswers.com.
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Now back to John Rush. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, America’s Money Answer Man, Jordan Goodman with us as well. Real quick, Jordan, jumping back into the California situation, fires, the rebuilding of, everything’s going to happen there, the economic side of that. Will that have any impact upon the Fed interest rates and what they look at as the economy overall?
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Well, it clearly slows the economy. This is the second largest city in the country. So in the short term, it clearly slows the economy. All these people that have been displaced, they don’t have their jobs. In the short term, it’s a real depressant on the economy. In the long term, it’s a major stimulant to the economy, rebuilding all this. That takes a long time, but right now, it’s a big depressant. Just think of All the things that are not happening in the economy with all these people not having jobs and businesses being wiped out and so on. It’s a disaster. And I think it’s preventable, too. I really do.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, do you see a lot of companies around the country investing in L.A. to be able to build there now, upcoming?
SPEAKER 03 :
Not right now. No, the regulations are too heavy.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know that, but don’t you expect those to be loosened?
SPEAKER 03 :
Nope. Not in California, I don’t. Jordan, am I wrong in that?
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. What might be interesting is if this changes the politics in California. That’s a bigger discussion. Yeah, I mean, the Democrats have not really taken good care. Correct.
SPEAKER 03 :
But to your point, Jordan, that’s not something that will happen right now. That’s, you know, elections away before those repercussions are had, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, how people handle disasters makes a big difference on whether they get reelected or not.
SPEAKER 03 :
But my point is, Andy’s question of will companies come back in, not until some of those politics and those things change. If it stays as is, no, companies will keep leaving.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, I’m just saying there’s going to be a ton of federal money going in there to rebuild. Aren’t they going to want some contracts?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, yeah. Maybe. I think the regulatory environment makes a difference. I mean, look at recently. Chevron just moved out. Elon Musk, Tesla, Facebook.
SPEAKER 03 :
I personally know, Jordan, even some trucking companies that will not go in and out of California because of all of their stupid trucking emissions rules and things along those lines. So until some of that stuff changes, no, there’ll be some companies that just say, yeah, no, there’s no business elsewhere. We don’t need to.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, right. So, I mean, they moved to Colorado, they moved to Nevada, they moved to Montana, they moved to Texas, all kinds of places. There’s been a big out-migration from California, and this is, I mean, a lot of people are saying, no, I’m not going to rebuild. First of all, I don’t have the money. If I have insurance, or I don’t have insurance, it’s not going to be enough to rebuild them, you know, several hundred thousand dollars.
SPEAKER 03 :
And or I’m not rebuilding in what literally right now is a war zone. Why would I rebuild there? I’m just going to go someplace else.
SPEAKER 12 :
But even if they wanted to, they’re not going to have the money to rebuild. No, they’re not.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, because a couple insurance companies had very wisely, in my opinion, pulled out of there, does that mean some others were taking on a greater load, which means those insurance companies are going to collapse now?
SPEAKER 12 :
It’s going to be a major burden on the insurance companies that have remained. That’s correct. They were not expected to spend… tens of billions of dollars up on this kind of things but they’re going to have to have contracts they have to do that But, yes, I mean, as I said, State Farm and others have pretty much pulled out.
SPEAKER 11 :
How do they do it, though?
SPEAKER 12 :
The remaining ones, there’s a huge burden on them. I think some insurance companies will go broke over this, actually.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yeah, because no insurance company has the money. Because, look, the whole reason that State Farm, and I think there was one other, pulled out of there is because the entire area was so poorly run by Californians that it was a poor risk, obviously. Okay, well, the other ones that remained, they literally, there is no company that has enough money. to rebuild the number of properties that they were insuring there.
SPEAKER 03 :
There can’t be. But what you have to look at as well, and Jordan, you know this also, a lot of those individuals, just like we had here in Colorado, will be severely underinsured. A lot of their policies… depending upon how things were written, whether it be personal contents or the structure itself. Not saying, Andy, that there won’t be huge losses on some of those insurance companies, but keep in mind, you’re going to find some of these people, and I don’t think I’m exaggerating, Jordan, when I say this, some of these people are probably underinsured by half.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, for the modern cost of rebuilding, what it would take. And, you know, we already have a shortage of construction labor and, to some extent, materials. Right. Can you imagine how much labor and materials it’s going to take to rebuild the second biggest city in the country? It’s beyond staggering.
SPEAKER 06 :
And also, those companies now are going to have to jack up their costs on people around the country to compensate. Doesn’t that put State Farm at an incredible market advantage?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, it does. It’s losses they don’t have to take. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
So, I mean, so if you’ve got two companies coming to you saying, okay, here’s our rates, doesn’t somebody who’s having to compensate for the losses of L.A. have to charge higher rates than state funds?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 06 :
They do. Just saying.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. It’ll happen. I did two complete hours on different shows this past week on this very subject. Jordan, in fact, one of them just ran before we came on air today and talking about the very thing that you’re talking about and even rates, you know, Colorado and elsewhere, whether it be from the hurricanes we’ve seen back east to the fires now we’ve seen in California. Bottom line, I don’t know that there won’t be a single policy nationwide that won’t go up.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I agree. And remember, FEMA ran out of money after like 10 days of these fiscal years. They had to be saved with, what was it, $100 billion or something like that? And that was before the fires.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
So you’re going to have to pour money into FEMA as well. I mean, this is just a monumental financial and human disaster.
SPEAKER 06 :
So State Farm could basically, let’s say somebody has to raise their prices so much to compensate for L.A. State Farm could raise their prices only half as much, still make a killing in the raised prices, and still be undercut.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s typically what happens. That’s what happens. Theoretically, yes. Okay. You know, companies set their rates, and they have to be approved by insurance commissioners in each state. It’s state by state. So, yes, State Farm as a company is not going to take the losses that, say, an all-state would that was in there or other. AIG was another one that took a big hit here.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think we’re going to see some new insurance companies pop up who don’t have those losses on their books.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, well, I’m not sure they’re going to take those kind of risks either. Right, agreed. They take less risks. They have a higher deductible rate. They cover less. For example, they don’t cover earthquakes. I mean, this is going to be a nationwide insurance crisis.
SPEAKER 03 :
These exclusions will increase. Well, and again, those are some of the things I talked about in regards to people and the roofs and things like that. We have a question really quick. Dave, go ahead.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. I was wondering, I don’t know if you guys have brought this up, but what about the possibility of, you know, obviously insurance companies probably aren’t going to be going back into California, but Name me one financial institution that would even bother to loan money to be rebuilt. Who would be crazy enough to do that?
SPEAKER 03 :
To rebuild homes and such?
SPEAKER 10 :
If there’s federal money… And businesses and so forth. I mean, who’s going to take that risk? The feds.
SPEAKER 12 :
If there’s federal money to go in to help rebuild, then banks would make loans to rebuild it. But the people there who are underinsured or uninsured are not going to have the money to do it, nor businesses are. That’s where, I mean, Biden has promised an unlimited checkbook if we build L.A. So in that case, banks would lend.
SPEAKER 10 :
So the burden falls to the taxpayer then of the rest of the nation.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, not necessarily, Dave. And really quick, because we’ve had some of the same things happen here in Colorado. So when the rebuilding sides of it, remember that once an area has gone through, as long as that financial institution can see that you can be insured for the things that you’re building, even while under construction, for example, you can go get a construction loan and rebuild. That won’t be as big of a deal. as finding insurance once again and having companies that are solvent enough to do it. That’ll be the bigger task.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. The other thing I was thinking about as far as costs would be the owner’s regulations. I mean, you talk to people now who try to rebuild now in California, and they’re saying just to pull a permit, you’re looking at 14, 18 months.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. They’ll have to expedite all of that if they want things to go faster.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, to even begin cleanup. You’re right.
SPEAKER 12 :
That adds cost. The materials add cost. Labor adds cost. I mean, we’re about to deport God knows how many millions of people, many of them in construction, right? You can complain about them, but for the most part, building is done by illegal immigrants, so we’re going to deport them all, so it’ll be even less labor to do the construction work.
SPEAKER 10 :
And along that same line, as far as California’s regulations, I mean, this would be a nightmare, I would think, just because now the leftists in California will say, well, look at that. Man up from heaven. We’ve got a clean slate. And if you want to rebuild, it’s got to be green. And these are the regulations for rebuilding green. And it’s got to be so much of this or that. You’ve got to have so many black lesbian women.
SPEAKER 06 :
Transgenders working on the job and how many of these… If I’m the Trump administration, I say, look, if you’re going to rebuild the same circumstances that put us here, forget it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, that’s what I’m saying. I mean, what would it take to even say that?
SPEAKER 03 :
And Jordan knows this. If they really want to encourage rebuilding and rebuilding faster, they’re going to have to loosen all sorts of things they’ve even done in the past and not do the things, Dave, you just said.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. But they’re not going to. Right. That’s not the political environment there.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right. Dave, I appreciate that. Good comments. I’ll let you go with that. No, I appreciate that, and you are right on the money. So I appreciate that very much. All right. I’ll tell you what. Are we at a point right now, Jordan, where we can take a break? Let’s do that. We’ll take a quick break. Sorry, Charlie. Oh, you can’t right now? Okay. We’ll keep going then. Go ahead, Andy.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, go ahead. Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Dovetailing into that, I know we talked a moment ago, let’s get back to the Fed and your thoughts moving forward when it comes to what they think of not only California economically, but everything else that we’ve got going on.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, people thought coming into this year, the Fed is going to cut rates probably twice. They cut rates three times at the end of last year. But now the latest numbers are thinking, well, maybe they’re not going to cut, certainly at their February meeting. And maybe it’ll take a while for them to cut again. The inflation numbers have been coming in a little bit hotter. but people thought they walked out of two percent of the white two point seven two point eight uh… this morning the producer price index came in little cooler so that was good we are quite strong unemployment report last friday which give a job market holler is like a hundred thousand more jobs and been expected so i would say the fed’s not going to cut interest rates uh… basically february meeting uh… meanwhile that short-term rates long-term rates have been rising pretty sharply uh… the ten-year treasuries up to about four point seven About six months ago, maybe it was four. And now it’s dragged mortgage rates up with it to about 7%, roughly, as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Jordan, why is that? Why did the Treasury rate go up like that?
SPEAKER 12 :
Several things. First of all, there’s concern that inflation may be coming back for some reason. And the other is a huge amount of borrowing the Treasury is doing. The issuance is just staggering. Hundreds of billions of dollars we’re issuing. We’re up to $36 trillion in the national debt now. So that puts a pressure on the bond market. get higher interest rates to attract the amount of capital needed to pay for all that debt that we’re issuing. We’re issuing trillions of dollars in debt constantly. So that’s pushing up interest rates as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. I hear you. And it’ll be interesting to see how all of this other stuff has an effect. And again, I try my best to not get too far ahead because, as we said, and we opened up this particular hour with, things will have or there’ll be a lot of changes made a week from today. Some of that may very well have a bearing on some of the things that we’re talking about. Or am I wrong in my thinking?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the other thing I think the Federal Reserve is worried about is potential inflationary impacts. from two Trump policies, which may have other benefits, but as on the purely economic front, the tariffs are potentially inflationary, because that gets passed on in the form of higher prices to consumers on all imported goods. And the immigration situation, if you deport all these workers, you’re going to have worker shortages in lots of different industries, and that means higher wages to attract people to do them. So those are two policies which may have other benefits, but on a purely economic front, Those are potentially inflationary, and the Fed’s worried about that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, that’s only one part of the economic front, though. I mean, on the one hand, the businesses are going to have to pay more and thereby charge more for their products. However, on the other hand, taxpayers are going to have to pay a lot less to subsidize the programs that are sustaining this.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I would argue that the majority of folks that get deported. Jordan, are not those that we’re talking about that are working, that are contributing back to the economy. Certainly early on. The ones that are going to get targeted right out of the gate are going to be those that are here, have criminal history, criminal behavior, things like that. No offense, it’s not going to be the guy framing a house that they’re looking for right now.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, not right now, but he’s talking about $11 million.
SPEAKER 03 :
In time. Keep in mind, there’s a lot of rhetoric that goes there.
SPEAKER 12 :
I mean, we’ve talked about this before, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
Kind of like making Canada a 51st state. A lot of rhetoric there.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, maybe 5% of the illegal immigrants are criminals, terrorists, you know, who should be deported. I don’t think anybody disagrees with that. But I’m worried about the 95%.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that’s where you and I will probably have to agree to disagree, because I think your number is very low there.
SPEAKER 12 :
All right, well, maybe I’m wrong. I mean, even if I give you 10%, that’s 90% that are hardworking, taxpaying, law-abiding citizens contributing to the economy. And if you just deport them because the one thing they did wrong was come in illegally, that’s going to hurt the economy. In all these industries we talk about, the Americans will not do agriculture, lawn care, for the most part construction, meatpacking plants, working in restaurants. There’s a lot of areas where Americans don’t want to work and are not willing to work. and the illegal immigrants are.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, no, no, not willing to work. But we have to keep in mind what we’ve done is we’ve made it so all kinds of Americans are simply living off the government and basically taking in all these incredible benefits that we’re putting out, and they’re living off these things right now, Jordan, rather than working. So basically the illegal immigration is sustaining immigrants government paying out to a bunch of people who aren’t working. What if those people were told, look, you have to work? You’re not on the dole anymore. Yeah, you’re not on the dole anymore. You’re going to go back to the workforce.
SPEAKER 12 :
Remember Workfare under Clinton?
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, how about we do it again and say that’s the way you live? Okay, because, look, it has to be mandatory. And by the way, telling people, oh, gee, tell you what, I mean, why is it that illegal immigration is the only law that we say, tell you what, we’ll look the other way on because you otherwise are living a good life? Okay, I mean, every other law, if I break any law, the government doesn’t look the other way. They look at me and say, we’re going to bust you for that. Why is illegal immigration the only one where we look the other way?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, because they contribute to society. So do I. And in many cases, they have children born in the U.S. that are American citizens. They’ve got these mixed families.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so do a lot of people. Look, I mean, I’m just saying, why are we looking the other way on theirs? And by the way, I’m not saying all whatever it is, 20 million or 30 million, have to go. But I’m saying an awful lot do have to go, Jordan. They do. They came in the wrong way. They need to go back through and come through ports of action.
SPEAKER 03 :
And I don’t want to belabor this, but I think that Trump will come out with a different plan than what he’s even stating right now. But will the first round be those that have criminal records and things along those lines? It absolutely will, which it absolutely should be. I agree with that.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Jordan Goodman with us, America’s Money Answer Man. Real quick, Jordan, before we go to our caller, how do folks get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 12 :
They can always email me at jordan at moneyanswers.com.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, Bob, you got a question. Go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, my big question I’m going to put aside for just a minute. As far as this California thing, I’m going to sum it up in what I’m thinking about this. Let’s say you’re a citizen of Kansas. Do you really have any sympathy for the mismanagement of California and want to pay for it?
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, let’s drop that. Yeah. What I want to ask Jordan Goodman about is the idea that Donald Trump wants to either purchase or have an economic agreement with Canada. Canada, 90% of their population lives within 50 miles of the U.S. border, and they have squandered They have tremendous amounts of natural resources, oil, uranium, iron, you name it. And they have squandered that on all these social programs like, quote, free health care. I lived the first 24 years of my 75 years of life two miles from the Canadian border, and I’ve seen it gone completely insane.
SPEAKER 03 :
I have no idea how they’ve… So, sorry, just to speed things along, what’s your question, Bob?
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, they’re taxing themselves to death up there, social programs, and people in Canada should be wealthy as heck. And now they can’t afford to live there anymore.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. Well, I think that’s one of the reasons why Trudeau was pushed out, basically, is he’s so unpopular. Correct. The taxes and the regulation, he just went far too left and turned people off. Correct. Before him was a conservative guy named Harper, who did quite well, and then he got pushed out. Trudeau came in for the last, I guess it’s been eight years or something like that. It’s very clear that they’re going to bring a conservative back to Canada. Yeah, I think… And cut the taxes and go back the direction you’re looking for.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I think the political winds of change are going to blow a lot of those problems out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and a lot of what Trump’s even said won’t have to happen because that new administration will take care of those things. And you also have to wonder really quick, Jordan, if some of what Trump had to say along those lines isn’t also one of the factors in Trudeau stepping down.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, very much so. He looked extremely weak, and he was already weak, and he got weakened even further. But they’re not going to become the 51st state. I mean, if we do, in fact, put 25% tariffs on Canada, that is really going to hurt them. We are their largest trading partner. And if we don’t buy their lumber and coal and cars… It’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not going to happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
All that kind of stuff. That will really hurt them pretty badly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, but Canada… Once again, Trump does this, Jordan, and you know this. He’s a dealmaker. He does this to scare people into better deals. Canada already just came out today. Their ambassador to the United States said they are going to dramatically jump up the number of products they are buying from the United States, and they are sinking a billion dollars into their border security, which is exactly what Trump said. He said 25% if… You don’t take care of your border. They’re already doing it. In other words, Trump’s winning.
SPEAKER 12 :
He does this everywhere. This is the result if you don’t do what we want.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
And so you can do it. Same with Mexico. Same with Mexico. I mean, they’re talking about border security there and stopping drugs and all kinds of things, which they haven’t done. And that would hurt Mexico very badly if they hit with 25% tariffs as well.
SPEAKER 11 :
So it is used as a kind of a blunt stick to get people to do things they might not want to do otherwise.
SPEAKER 03 :
Talk to us about some of the changes that would happen in regards to, and I know we did this a little bit last time we were on, but the whole mergers and acquisitions end of things.
SPEAKER 12 :
Huge difference there, yeah. So this is going to be a wave of mergers and acquisitions that have been stopped. The existing Federal Trade Commission under Lita Kahn and the Justice Department’s Antitrust Division have stopped all kinds of mergers and acquisitions. Some legitimate, I think in many cases not legitimate, that they stopped them. I mean, one example particularly is JetBlue wanted to take over Spirit Airlines.
SPEAKER 03 :
Should have let that happen.
SPEAKER 12 :
They should have let that happen, but they didn’t, and then Spirit went into bankruptcy because they were a weak airline. Kroger’s Albertsons was another one. They were going to get strong, and they blocked that one. That’s all going to be gone as of next Monday. So just to give you one example, Paychex, which is a large payroll processing firm, is buying Paycor, which is another… payroll processing for about $4 billion. They never would have done that under the existing rules. And now the pro of that is that you’re going to make these companies much stronger, particularly globally, in various ways. I mean, there may be less competition. Some people will get laid off when this thing happens.
SPEAKER 03 :
On that payroll processing world, there’s still plenty of competition, as you know.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, and even in the airlines, I think JetBlue Spirit would have been a stronger competitor. It’s a consolidated industry. There’s only, what, 80% of the market is in five airlines or something like that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Four or five, that’s right.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, Jordan, I just want to ask— If you want a growth industry, okay, investment banking, because those guys are going to be very busy with all kinds of mergers and acquisitions that will be approved now that would have not approved under Biden.
SPEAKER 03 :
Really quick along those lines, do you see the credit market loosening up under Trump, or do you see things going there? That’s not in our notes, but what are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 12 :
You mean the loans you’re talking about? Yes. Not really. I think there’s still going to be good restrictions on the banks in various ways. Banks are very risk averse.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but they’ve been very tight, as you know, been very tight under the Biden administration for various reasons. And not that I blame them for that, because when you don’t know what the economy is going to do next, you tighten things up. When you can see as a bank that, hey, things look pretty good. And if I make these loans, there’s a lot less risk because the economy is rolling. These guys are going to do well if we loan them the money. They’re more likely to loan, right?
SPEAKER 12 :
In theory, but the banks have a lot of regulations and restrictions on them, and they’re very risky. I mean, they always say that if you need a loan, you can’t get one. If you don’t need one, that’s a good time to get a loan.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s been true lately, for sure, because a lot of people have a hard time getting loans or at incredibly high interest rates. I mean, 25% on credit cards these days. These are mortgages over 7%. A lot of people just can’t afford these things. They can’t borrow at all. They just can’t afford it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Now, that actually leads to another question for me. So now I got two. The first one was going to be just this wave of mergers. How do you think it will affect the consumers? And the second one is on the banks. Trump wants to cut regulations everywhere else. Could he help them?
SPEAKER 12 :
He could. There are various regulations that Biden wanted to put in. A lot of it’s done through the Federal Reserve, actually, not through the administration directly. Now, Chairman Powell is going to be there through May 2026. Trump at that point would appoint a new Fed chair, which could change things a lot. But there’s a lot of Federal Reserve regulations and FDIC and control of the currency and just a lot. Now, one area that he is clearly going to loosen up is crypto. The guy he’s bringing in who’s going to be the new SEC chair is very pro-crypto. Gary Gensler, the existing SEC chairman, was very anti-crypto and very reluctant to loosen it in any way. That’s going to be a big, big change. And that’s one of the reasons crypto has done so well. It’s up to roughly 100,000 because the feeling is we want to become the crypto capital of the world, which I think is a positive thing. So there’s an area where you’re really going to loosen things up a lot.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, good to know. What do you see Trump trying to do when it comes to the whole housing and the things? We’ve seen it be stagnant now for, honestly, since the entire time Biden’s been in office, the real estate market’s been pretty stagnant. Trump’s a real estate guy. Do you see him trying to impact that in a positive way?
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, getting mortgage rates down would certainly be helpful, and they’ve been going the other direction lately. So that’s not something he really controls directly, because that’s based on long-term treasuries, which have been going up. Now, if, in theory, we cut $2 trillion or some large amount out of the federal deficit, the budget from Doge, from Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, that could help. That could bring interest rates down if the government isn’t borrowing so much. So that’s kind of an indirect way of helping housing. But there’s not a lot of housing at the local level.
SPEAKER 04 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 12 :
So there’s not a lot he can do on a national level to really increase housing. We have a tremendous shortage… particularly affordable housing. I mean, there’s housing out there, but most people can’t afford it. That’s why more people are renting today than in the past might have been able to buy. They just can’t afford the down payments, the prices, and where mortgage rates are today.
SPEAKER 06 :
Can he open more federal lands to things like logging and, you know, obviously to more oil and gas development?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes, and that could help to some extent. I mean, when he was insulting Canada the other day, he said, we don’t need your lumber. I think we actually do right now. Now, if we open more lands, I suppose we could get more lumber here. But yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that’s been put off being able to be exploited, I guess you might say, that he could bring back. And although the environmentalists are going to go crazy over that, he’s going to get a lot of resistance on opening up federal lands.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, could we put something in getting back to immigration to where we keep 100 immigrants for every environmentalist we deport?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’d be awesome.
SPEAKER 06 :
Because I’d be totally down for that. I just want you to know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Seriously, I’m in for that one.
SPEAKER 12 :
Where are we going to deport the environmentalists to?
SPEAKER 03 :
Greenland.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, they can go to Greenland.
SPEAKER 11 :
They like it being green up there. Exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sorry.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s got to be an outpost. Green in Poland could be our new thing, yeah. They could study Moss.
SPEAKER 03 :
Before I let you go, Jordan, one other thing that comes up quite often, and you mentioned it a moment ago with credit cards, where they’re at and interest rates being high and so on. Where is a place where folks can go where they’re trying to maximize either rewards on credit cards or figure out where they’re at on interest rates? Maybe they want to try to consolidate some things. What’s a good place for them to go?
SPEAKER 12 :
There’s a website called creditcardperks.com where they can get all the best deals at any particular time. So, yeah, I mean, there are good deals. If you have good credit and you pay it off in full every time, you can get frequent fly miles and cash back, all kinds of good things. It’s about 40% of the people that pay off credit cards in full every month, and 60% revolve the balances of these incredibly high interest rates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Some over 30% now. It’s really high. It really is. Jordan, as always, I appreciate it very much. Thank you for your time. One last time, how do folks get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 12 :
They can always email me, jordan at moneyanswers.com. I get emails from your folks all the time, and always glad to help them.
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All right, we are back. Question of the day.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yesterday, throughout her 63-year reign, how many assassination attempts did Queen Victoria survive? Answer is eight. That’s quite a few. That’s quite a few, absolutely. Today’s impossible question. Which technology company founded in 1993 took its name from the Latin word for envy and features product families like GeForce Quadro Integra?
SPEAKER 06 :
No clue.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Answer that on our website, on our Facebook page. Just go there and answer that if you know that particular answer. And back to what Andy and I and Jordan even opened up with. Believe me, folks, and Andy and I will talk about this next Tuesday because I… I am guessing that the headlines next Tuesday, Andy, will be this executive order undoing the last executive order, and, and, and, and, and, and, and. And we’ll just start going down the list next Tuesday.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which I’m excited for.
SPEAKER 06 :
I can’t wait.
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