In this thought-provoking episode, John Rush and Andy Pate explore the challenges faced by major film studios like Pixar as they navigate shifting societal norms and audience expectations. Delving into the perplexing world of cinema, they discuss Pixar’s recent box office failures, speculating on whether the company’s pivot away from traditional storytelling is contributing to its struggles. Throughout the episode, John and Andy present a compelling argument that audience nostalgia for traditional life depictions may drive future box office successes. They also dive into a larger cultural debate on the portrayal of masculinity in media, suggesting that modern cinema’s
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All right. Happy Tuesday, everybody. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes, of course. And before we get too far into the show today, yeah, be careful out there. There’s, you know, wild storms today and so on. I got a couple of text messages and asking if we’re all OK. Yeah, we’re great. We’re doing well.
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It’s sunny and nice here. And yet there are areas around town where they’re saying there are tornadoes dipping.
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Yep. And so people are checking on us, but we’re good. So thank you for checking in on us. We appreciate that very much. But no, we are good. No problems at the moment where we’re at right now. All right. Yesterday’s impossible question of the day. What is the natural color of rubber? I learned this from a very, very young age because people don’t realize that white wall tires. come from the natural color of white, which is underneath. The black is actually on top of the white.
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Well, I knew rubber was of a very light color. I didn’t know it was white. I didn’t know that the white walls were the natural color. I thought that was painted on.
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Nope. It’s the opposite of what people thought back in the day.
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Wow, okay.
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So anyways, I learned that as a young person in the auto world. So it is harvested from rubber trees, processed and shipped worldwide before processing natural rubber exists. The tree in the form of a white, milky latex.
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You know, it actually kind of makes sense, John, because for the longest time, the sole, I mean, the bottoms of tennis shoes were all white.
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True. Good point. Yeah. Good point. All right. Today’s impossible question. Name the mammal that has the longest gestation period. Name the mammal that has the longest gestation period.
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The angry mother.
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Well, that’s true.
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I’m just saying.
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Because they think it lasts forever.
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Yeah.
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Good point, Andy. I mean, the longer, the worse.
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I’m just saying.
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Good point.
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Yes.
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Okay, you want to start talking before we get going today about what, Pixar?
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Oh, yeah. We got a lot to get into today. We got Donald Trump. I am going to be, by the way, making a lot of fun of Tucker Carlson and the Libertarians today. This is a beautiful day, and I’m going to enjoy it. I’m going to be dancing on graves. I’m sorry. It’s just the way it is. But first, I want to talk about Pixar.
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Okay.
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And I want you to jump… The movie company, right?
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So everybody that maybe doesn’t know who that is, that’s who they are.
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They’re part of Disney, obviously. Pixar, Disney, Marvel, they all work together. And I want you to jump in on this, too, because… um, Elio, their big movie for the summer just came out and it bombed. It had the worst Pixar opening. I think of all time, certainly in the bottom two, absolutely horrible at 21 million for the weekend. And there were no other large kid movies that came out. Now how to train your dragon was out, but it was a week old. You’d think, okay, a ton of people would then go over to the next movie. They did not. Elio bombed. And, The leaders at Pixar, they were asked, and I forget which ones, okay, because they jump around, but they were asked, okay, what’s wrong? What do you think? And one guy said, and I think he’s the head of Pixar, he said, it’s because it’s so hard. People don’t want to watch new content anymore. You’ve got to make Toy Story 27, as he put it. Really? I’m just going to give some news to Pixar here. We like original content. We love original content. Kids basically don’t care about the content, although they do look forward to seeing Woody and company again. Folks. Your problem is that you have gone the wrong direction. You’re not making movies about real people anymore. You’re making movies about your agenda as you want to depict it. Like I said about Pixar, Pixar was about a boy, right? But it depicted an entire world where there was absolutely no masculinity present. In fact, toxic masculinity was the villain.
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Good point.
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People don’t want to see that. When’s the last time Pixar had a guy and a girl falling in love in the movie? Now it happens, but it’s very rare now. It used to be all the time, right? Think about cars. A guy and a girl car. They fell in love in the movie. It was really cute. They were flirting. And when’s the last time Pixar had a white man as the hero in a movie? Why would they do that, Andy? We’re the enemy. Right. We’re the enemy. Right. Am I right? absolutely that’s the problem right and so what you have and and by the way in elio the only good white man was a guy who was crazy but he was a good white man okay crazy good white man yeah yeah a good white man and so they depicted this world of the military and of nasa and all this with virtually no white men okay it was all people of color and women and so forth now am i against people of color and women and so forth no that’s not the point the point is they’re against white men And they are against masculinity. And let me tell you something, John, and I want you to comment on this. Pixar, if they were to come out next year with a movie that celebrated masculinity. And had both white and black men, Hispanic, whatever, in the leads. That’s fine, okay? But it celebrated masculinity. It was rough and tough. It had guys having to go through, you know, fight their way through whatever kind of thing. You know, like the car in Cars having to fight his way through the race toward the end, right? And having to fight their way, maybe working out, having to fight their way in battle, having to fight their way doing… Do you think… And they also got to make a good movie. Of course, it’s funny, fresh, good music. Do you think that would sell? Yes. How big?
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Big. Huge. Because people would flock to that.
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Right. They would go to it. It would be just like Top Gun Maverick. Right. It’d be the same thing, John, because you know what? People want to see… They want to see guys be guys. They want to see girls be girls. They want to see guys and girls falling in love again. And having even if it’s younger ones on, you know, in a Pixar movie and they’re flirting like, you know, like Buzz and that one girl did. But look at look at the by Toy Story 3. They had Woody turn over his role to a girl. OK, by Cars 3, they had him turn over his role to a girl car. OK, by almost everything, almost everything they do. But look earlier at their movies earlier. Every single one, even going back to ants and toy story. Oh, not ants. I’m sorry. That was a different one. But a bug’s life. They had guys and girl bugs, you know, all you love. They had everybody. You had the two genders in love with each other. They had a natural world. And here’s what I’m saying. I believe people now when they go to Pixar. or they go to Disney, or when they go to Marvel, they are seeing two things. First of all, they’re seeing an unnatural world that’s been imposed on them night and day by the media, academia, entertainment, and big tech, and they’re sick of it. They’re saying, yes, you’ve made a lot more of our kids gay and trans, but that doesn’t mean we’re happy about it. We’re not comfortable with this. It’s an unnatural world that’s not fun to watch. We want to watch guys be guys. We want to watch girls be girls, and we want to watch them falling in love again.
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Okay. And the other thing they see is you guys are taking white male characters and scrubbing them out of role after role. Look what they’ve done in Marvel. Unbelievable. Or men characters. Look at Black Panther. Of course, they got to make him a girl.
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Yep.
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You know, look at this. I think people are tired of it. I think if they were to reverse course, and I’m not saying go all conservative conservative, and I want to turn it over to you. I want to hear what you think on this. But if they were to reverse course and just go natural, normal, I believe people would go in and they wouldn’t feel like they were being transported into an unreal world all the time.
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No, I talked about this some yesterday, Andy, towards the end of the program. Didn’t get a lot of time on it, but Charlie had sent me an article last week. I wanted to talk about it, so I did yesterday, and it’s out of – D-E-S-E-R-E-T. Deseret.com, whatever that website. Oh, Deseret News. Deseret, never heard of them. Oh, got it. Okay. Did not know that. Anyways, okay. Sorry. I’m not that familiar with that particular… Anyway, what did they say? Silent number of American men… keyword are struggling and I talked this talked about this yesterday how about 36 percent or so in this particular report struggling to understand their place in the community or a broader society well yeah part of that Andy is because of everything you just said about that movie when you’ve got literally the entire world quote-unquote beating you up telling you that you really don’t matter you really don’t have a place you know you’re you’re not worthy let’s just say that’s what they’re right essentially that’s what they’re saying you’re not worthy they’re saying you’re the problem in a
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Right.
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So it’s no doubt that there’s 36 percent. And by the way, I think that number is low depending upon what community you might be in. Now, I went into some things yesterday to, you know, help hopefully help some men with that particular problem and how you can overcome that and so on. Now, I will also say this, that, you know, watching movies like the one Andy watched on Friday isn’t going to help your self-esteem.
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No.
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It actually makes it worse.
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Right. The enemy was toxic masculinity. That was the enemy. You have to strip that off and nurture to become worthwhile. By the way, John, really quick here. Do you ever have a hard time sleeping?
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Oh, it depends. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, my brain is always going to gazillion miles an hour.
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That’s my problem. My brain won’t shut up. Last few nights I’ve had a hard time sleeping. So I’ve been kind of binge watching shows on HBO, whatever. And nowadays they come with ads. And so as a result, I’m seeing ads. I’ve also been watching Fox News with everything, and they’ve had ads in the break. And so casually, just once again, because I hadn’t done this for a couple of years, I was just kind of watching to see who are the bad and dumb characters in the ads, who are the smart and good characters. Got it. And overwhelmingly… You never had a white man be the smart or good character in an ad that had anybody else as the bad or dumb character. Ever. Ever. Nope. Okay? It always had to go the other direction. So if a white man was a good or smart character, it was because everybody else was good and smart, too. Otherwise, it was white man, bad or dumb. And other people had to be the good or smart ones to guide the bad or dumb white man through it. And, John, it was every single ad I saw. John, I saw dozens of ads. Think about this. So along with the movies and along with what is shoved in our kids’ heads in schools, they’re being bathed with this in between every show they see.
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Including the shows themselves in a lot of cases. Right. I mean, sitcoms, things along those lines as well.
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Exactly.
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It’s not just movies. It’s a sitcom. That’s why I don’t watch sitcoms, because of what you’re talking about. Right. For years, I didn’t. I mean, as much as they were funny and you kind of enjoyed them, you know, married with children and so on, you know, Bundy was a blundering idiot who, by the way, very few men probably really acted like.
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Right. But the interesting thing about married with children is that picked on both sexes.
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It did, but I don’t like the way that it makes him look like a complete dodo head at the end of the day. And so many of them for so many years, Andy, have been that way to where they’ve literally just ingrained into society that, you know, men in general.
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It’s the all-in-the-family syndrome.
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Exactly.
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Right. This really began, I mean, it became big with all-in-the-family. That was the show that really put it over the top. And also you saw it in MASH and a number of other shows that absolutely made white men the Antichrist.
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Yeah, and really even started a little bit.
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Or stupid or bad or whatever.
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Kind of started even with, and people would probably argue with me on this because it was still black and white, but even the Dick Van Dyke show where he comes in and he trips over the landing and acts like, and I get it, it was just stick and so on. But some of that even, Andy, started in Hollywood all the way back then.
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It was gestating back then. And you know what this all came from? I’ve talked about this before. Industrial Revolution. It was the first time in human history where men were taken completely out of the 50-50 relationship of raising kids. And they were put in boxes called factories for 14-hour days. That left one gender for several generations to raise children. all of generations in America, America became completely feminized during that time. And now we’ve gotten to the point where you absolutely have to have that bias in every kind of presentation that you have. Otherwise you’re seen as biased.
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You’re right. You’re right.
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Anyway, getting back to, I’ll close with Pixar. Pixar has gone off into such an extreme with that. They have to have gay characters, trans characters. They never have boys and girls falling in love again, love anymore, or hardly ever, hardly ever. It’s very, very rare. Or when it happens, it’s a minor character. It is incredibly rare. People go to these movies now and they see a world that doesn’t exist. It’s not a real world because I got news for you. Even in this crazy world where we have now turned our youngest generations into a far larger percentage of gay and trans than ever before. Okay. Even in that world, John, if you walk out the doors today, 95% of the people out there are men and women who want to get together. Okay. Men who want to impress women with their prowess in business and, you know, working out at the gym, whatever, they want to win and woo the girl. You don’t see that anymore.
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I want to go one step further what you just said. Even if it were the norm. The people that still would want to go to the movies don’t want to see that. They want to see the traditional end of things.
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Yes! You know why, John? And let me ask you this. I believe it’s because Americans are looking at the movie theaters and saying, you know, when it comes to me putting down my hard-earned cash, not just for the ticket but all the food and everything. Yes, you’ve made my world this way, but I don’t like the world that you’ve made for me. And this, by the way, cuts across party lines. I don’t think even Democrats all really like the world that we’ve built today. I think too many Americans now, you know, outside of the hard left, they like those things. I get that. But outside of the hard left, I think the majority of Americans… Look at Hollywood and say, you know what? We really don’t like the world that you forced us into through media, academia, entertainment and big tech. We live in it, but we don’t like it. And we don’t like being reminded of it and shoved back into it in every movie we go to. And if you make another Top Gun Maverick, we’re going to go. we’re going to go.
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Well, and I think to your point, it was proven today, even though some of the knuckleheads in the House are exactly that, the vote to impeach or start the resolution in regards to Donald Trump and the impeachment side of it, it got handily shut down 344 to 79. So even some of those, Andy, that are on that side of the aisle even look at this and say, you know what, no, we just got out of a potential situation that could have gone really, really bad had we not had a leader willing to do what was necessary to take care of that. Right. Donald Trump – Because, by the way, the last regime wouldn’t have handled it that way. No. And I can guarantee you Kamala Harris wouldn’t have handled it that way.
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Donald Trump just – what he did – and by the way, he’s going to be very popular very quickly right now. You have to understand. He’s about to become very popular for this.
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I said that yesterday, Andy.
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You know what he did? He showed all the idiot libertarians out there – and by the way, I agree with libertarians on most issues. You know this. I’m a republican. Right. But he showed them, guys, you must have force now and then because there are bad people who only respond to it. And he made a difference. Most Americans, there’s a part of them that think, you know what, that’s normal, that’s natural, that is the way it really happens. I’ve had bullies with me at work, at school, everywhere I’ve been. You can’t just accommodate them.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Okay, but before we move along, yes, there was a lot that went on today in regards to the ceasefire. Trump even dropped the F-bomb today, which, you know, you almost have to feel for him because he’s like, okay, you bozos. Literally, this is what he’s trying to say. What are you knuckleheads? doing we had everything all dialed in last night and and you know really he literally said you guys act like you don’t know what the f you’re doing and the reality is he’s correct they don’t know what they’re doing and it’s just stupid now i will say this after saying that it’s all quiet on the home front yeah and you know what john i actually believe that israel did him a huge favor
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And here’s why. OK, because, yeah, I disagree with Israel launching that many bombs. Now, even Trump, when he announced the ceasefire, said it’s going to be winding down there. They’ve still got people out on runs and it’s going to be a few hours, but they’re coming back after that. We’ve got a ceasefire that’s going to be starting. And it was in that time that both sides launched missiles. But Israel launched a lot of missiles and they took out a lot of people and they took out a lot of key targets. They wanted to make sure they finished the job in that time and they did. But this was actually great for Donald Trump. Why? Because Trump is going to be negotiating with a lot of these Middle Eastern countries. And it looks really good for him to be able to call out Israel. and to get mad at Israel in a public forum because he’s going to be doing more Abraham Accords. He’s going to be doing trade deals. He’s going to be doing a lot of things with these countries in the Middle East. They did him a favor by being the bad guy and letting him publicly call them out like that. I thought it was so beautiful I almost wondered if it was preplanned. I don’t think it was.
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No, as angry as he was, no, I don’t think so either.
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No, I don’t think it was, but I’m just saying that it was so good, it might as well have been. I think it’s very beneficial.
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Use it to our advantage.
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Oh, yeah. I think it’s awesome.
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No, I agree with that. I can’t disagree with that at all. And I did say this yesterday. I was sort of via text message and even some folks that called in chided a little bit when I said that by the time 4th of July— is over so independence day which is next friday so a week from this friday and i i went a little far out but i basically said you know by the time independence day is over this is all in the rearview mirror oh yeah you were talking about the news cycle yeah and your guest was thinking was was thinking about well the issue between the two nations like you thought that would blow over immediately no i mean that that that’ll take time no but as far as the day-to-day stuff that most people get concerned about oh yeah all done and over in fact pretty probably will be done and over with by this weekend yep but for sure by the time we get to fourth of july you’ll get into the independence day weekend people will take thursday off it’ll be a long four-day weekend and the reality is this is all in the rearview mirror by then trust me on that john he just brokered a ceasefire between two old enemies
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And he did it by using force that people like Tucker Carlson said he couldn’t do. You know, let’s keep in mind now, Tucker Carlson and company, okay, his supporters and the libertarians and the Rand Pauls, these people who are so brilliant and they win every debate and they’re so dead on. You know what? They’re wrong about everything, John. They insist that this is going to be World War III. This is going to be mission creep. This is going to be escalation, escalation. We were going to get drawn in. And Trump and his people said no. It’s not going to happen. And they were completely right. I mean, not only does he look really good in the aftermath, how do they look?
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And there’s been lots of, you know, comments. I’ve had phone calls. I’ve had text messages. I’ve seen things online and so on. Even, you know, Dodo has. I’m sorry, I’ve got to call her what she is. You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you know, Dodo Head. I’m sorry, Dodo Head. You know, some of these people that are basically out for Trump’s blood because they think for, you know, they think some odd way, you know, somehow he’s deceived, you know, the core part of the MAGA party or the MAGA movement and this, that and the other. And I’ll just tell you guys straight up. Number one, he’s not doing that. Number two, it’s already proven today that he didn’t do that. Number two. That proves to me that Marjorie Taylor Greene and a lot of other people like her aren’t following a movement per se as much as they’re following an individual, and you should never, ever, ever follow an individual. You should follow everything that’s going on behind said individual. So those of you that are disappointed in what’s happened with Iran and Israel and the war and what Donald Trump did in basically annihilating Israel, uh… their particular enrichment sites and so on if you’re one of those that is against all of that your you’re not out to set straight up your your in my opinion you’re not a true blue maggot conservative that wants to move the country forward you’re following a faction of and a belief in Donald Trump about things that, frankly, you shouldn’t believe in in the first place, and you’re putting far too much stake in a person versus an actual movement. Am I right in saying it that way, Andy?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re absolutely right. Shame on you, by the way.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And, you know, a lot of what has happened is MAGA has been rather co-opted by a faction of peacenik hippies. And what this comes from is the fact that Donald Trump is he leans pacifist. OK, he doesn’t want any unnecessary wars like me. Donald Trump was not for not in favor of the Iraq war. OK, like me, Donald Trump did not believe that we should be sending all this money and supporting Ukraine. OK, like me, Donald Trump holds some of those views, but also like me. You see, I happen to like him a lot. That’s why I’m saying like me, because I got news for you. I take it kind of personally when they attack him, because I happen to hold pretty much all of Donald Trump’s foreign policy views.
SPEAKER 16 :
I like the fact that he wants to keep us out of war, not get us into war. And there are those out there that I know are on the mega movement, libertarians, whatever you want to call them. I think it kind of varies across the board. But there’s those out there that would say that we should have never done anything like we did with the B-2s, dropping the bombs that we did, annihilating those sites. All we did was create World War III, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of which is true, and I’ve said that all along, that that’s not what would happen out of this. I didn’t lose an ounce of sleep over any of that and still haven’t. And, you know, all of this talk of, you know, the sleeper cells and this and that and on and on we go. I mean, folks, I’m just going to tell you straight up. We have big problems in the United States of America when it comes to crime and things along those lines that, frankly, have nothing to do with any of that. I’ve shared this with you guys before. I’ll share it again. I shared it on the podcast that we did today for Fourth of July, which is up next week because we’re going to be off for Fourth of July next week. Right. I explained this to even Bob and Neil this morning that, you know, it’s well known. You guys know that I had two cousins that were murdered up in the Thornton area. To this day, they still don’t know what happened or they don’t know who did it. There’s no suspects, nothing along those lines. They were both shot in the head and then they burned the house to the ground to try to cover the tracks and nobody knows who it is. Now, do I think that was done by an Iranian, you know, sleeper cell, Andy? No. No, it was not. So my point is for a lot of you that are worried about, you know, the Iranians and for this and for that and so on, you have other problems out there that you still got to keep your head on a swivel about that have nothing to do with foreign nations.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. Look, there are, thanks to Joe Biden, there are Iranian sleeper cells out there. But here’s the thing. If you’re so worried about what they’ll do now, don’t you think that they were going to do something eventually anyway? That’s why they’re here. That’s why they’re called the sleeper cells.
SPEAKER 16 :
Regardless, it’s going to happen, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s going to happen, and hopefully… Homeland Security is hunting them down. By the way, they just busted a few of them. I don’t know if you saw that.
SPEAKER 16 :
And my point is, should we worry about any of this? Worry is not the right word. Should we always be on alert and be paying attention to what’s going on around us? We talk about that on Ready Radio on Fridays consistently from 2 to 3. If you want to listen in on preparedness and what to do and how to handle all of that, I encourage you to listen to my program from 2 to 3 on Fridays. We get into all of the details of that. All the way down to the nitty-gritty of if you’re walking out of the store to the car. I mean, we walk you through the whole process on Fridays from 2 to 3. But the point being, Andy, is nothing’s changed in that end of things from last week to today, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. You know what the big problem is, John, with these Tucker types? Serious. The peacenik hippies, as I call them. They believe that those people, the Iranians and so forth, they only become bad if we provoke them.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, Andy, they’re bad anyways.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, but that’s what they believe. And they’re going to become really bad because we provoke them. Once again, Tucker agreed with his guest who said that Europe has only been overrun by Muslims because of America interference in the Middle East driving them there. I mean, this kind of lunacy.
SPEAKER 16 :
Utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. And so these people are insisting that World War III was going to happen. We could have averted it. Had we just not helped Israel. And by the way, I was debating with some of them online in the last two days. And inevitably, these libertarians, what they start to spewing hate against Jews. Right. Israel.
SPEAKER 16 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m telling you what, a lot of libertarians, a lot.
SPEAKER 16 :
And for all of you listening, you’ll see things posted about how the Jews control the banking system, and they do this, and they do that. And they oppress the Palestinians. You can go down the line, and it’s just absolute, utter nonsense. And the majority of that, by the way, folks, is very conspiratorial. A lot of it— The majority of it. I’m not sure any of it, by the way, could even be proven with a little sliver of hope. These guys are pulling things out of thin air, trying to prove that X, Y, Z happened. It’s sort of, and keep this in mind, folks, it’s like flat earthers. They come up with all sorts of evidence to prove that the Earth is flat. The Earth is not flat. The Earth is definitely round. We’ve proven that over and over and over again. In fact, it was proven long before we went into space to see that it was actually round. Mathematically, it was proven it was round some centuries ago. So the reality is a millennial ago, actually, Andy, and beyond. Have you ever heard of Magellan? Well, and even a lot of the writers for Scripture, this is where flat earthers are all screwed up as well, they’ll take Scripture verses completely out of context and make it sound like Scripture talks about a flat earth. Scripture never anywhere in its entirety talks about the earth being flat. People believe that the earth was round all the way back in biblical times. So the reality is this. Can flat earthers go out there and find a few things that might make it look like the earth is flat and then grab onto that and ride that off into the sunset? Sure. And you could do that about a lot of topics. The reality is that doesn’t make it true.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, this idea that evil only becomes really dangerous if you provoke it, is that MAGA?
SPEAKER 16 :
No, and one last thing. What is that doing in MAGA? One last thing about Tucker Carlson, which I know I said last week, but I want to emphasize this today because, and I hadn’t talked about this, but I might as well talk about it now. Number one, Tucker lost me in his belief of aliens. That, for me, it’s like, okay, you’re a total nut job. Everything you said, even up to this point, even though you’ve got a lot of great nuggets and a blind squirrel can find a nut periodically, I get that, Tucker, but I’m not listening to another word you say moving forward because when you go down that path, you’re an absolute udder Nut job. So get that out of the way to begin with. Here’s one more thing I want to say about Tucker and people like him, Candace Owens and the others. You know, everybody gets mad at the Fox News of the world when they let a Tucker Carlson go like they did. But you know what? Here’s how things work inside of business. And I know this because I’m an owner and I have been for the majority of my adult life. Actually, all but one year of my adult life because I started when I was 22. So, well, I guess you could say I was 18. Well, you only recently became an adult.
SPEAKER 05 :
But go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
Exactly. Here’s what a lot of even conservatives don’t understand at times. Were we there? Did we know every single thing going on behind the scenes between management at Fox and Tucker Carlson? The answer is no. And in hindsight, who was the wiser on all of this? Fox News or Tucker Carlson?
SPEAKER 05 :
Fox News. And by the way, you remember at the time I defended Tucker. Right. And not so much because defending good Tucker against evil Fox. It wasn’t that. It’s just that I said, look, this is going to cost them a lot of viewership. And it did, by the way, over the next year. For a little while. Their viewership dropped dramatically across the board.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s come back now, so they’re fine.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it came back. It just took quite a while. So did they lose a lot of money in the interim? Yes, they did. But their viewership came back, especially because of Trump’s re-ascendancy.
SPEAKER 16 :
And currently right now, if you take a lot of those folks that may have even been his fans, like me, and you look at a lot of the things that he has done, some of the knucklehead moves that he has made, I wouldn’t be watching him on Fox News right now if you paid me.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I wouldn’t either. I wouldn’t be watching his show. And here’s the thing, John. What you said was so true. Here’s what I believe now was going on behind the scenes. Fox saw the rising of a lunatic.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yep. And they saw… Yep. We’ve got to distance ourselves from this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, it’s not just that he says, you know, there are space aliens, okay? It’s that he fixates on it. I know. And it’s just like, you know, Tucker, let’s even grant there are space aliens. I disagree, but let’s grant it, okay? They’re not doing anything. They’re literally having no impact on anyone’s life.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s because they don’t exist, but whatever.
SPEAKER 05 :
Obviously. But do you see my point here?
SPEAKER 16 :
I get it, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, I understand.
SPEAKER 16 :
You’re giving me the what if, and even if they did, they’re not doing anything.
SPEAKER 05 :
Space aliens, if they exist, are the most unbelievably casual entities in the universe because they literally have – they’ve come all this way. They have come millions of miles.
SPEAKER 16 :
To do nothing.
SPEAKER 05 :
With whatever technology they have. to come all the way to Earth to do nothing. And we are supposed to fixate on them like Tucker Carlson. But beyond that, he was having on these rabid, ultra-pacifist, as I call them, peacenik hippies, like General McGregor, lunatic hippies.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, I want to add one more thing to what you just said a moment ago, too, about the whole alien thing.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 16 :
And this is my disappointment with Tucker.
SPEAKER 05 :
But X-Files is a great show.
SPEAKER 16 :
By the way, Tucker claims to be born-again Christian. He’s seen the light. He has faith. On and on we go. He’s one of those, and he makes it pretty well known that that’s the case. Now, here’s the struggle that I have with anyone that is of faith that believes in aliens, because this is my view, and I could be way out there, although bear with me here for a moment. I do believe that when, and Scripture is clear about a rapture, when is that going to take place? I have no idea. Are we closer today than we were yesterday? Absolutely, because every day that goes by, we get closer. When is it happening? I don’t have the foggiest idea, Andy, nor will I ever claim to know when that day will be. But here’s what I do think. When that day does come, it will be the excuse of the quote-unquote aliens that took all of these people away, not the second coming of Christ, because that’s the way the world will diffuse from the second coming. That’s my view. That’s possible. Meaning that if you’re a Christian buying into the whole alien movement thing, you’re buying into the world, is my point.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, when I go up in the rapture, will I meet E.T.? ?
SPEAKER 16 :
E.T. phone home.
SPEAKER 05 :
Is he going to be up there?
SPEAKER 16 :
Do all the dogs go to heaven? I mean, again, we laugh at some of this, but folks, I’m being serious. If you look at what they’re doing with the whole alien movement thing and how they’re trying to push that, and the reality is I believe that is not of the Christian movement, nor should it be of the Christian movement. Now, we had a guest one time.
SPEAKER 05 :
Were you with me, Andy, when I interviewed the one guy? Let me interrupt.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’ve got to say one good thing about the alien movement and all the people who believe in aliens. At least none of them are flat earthers.
SPEAKER 16 :
Are you sure about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, there are no flat earthers who are alien believers. At least I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, I don’t know that I’d go that far, Andy. Once a wackadoodle, always a wackadoodle.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t know that I go that far. So they come from all these round worlds out there to the flat Earth.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, because we’re different. The flat Earthers just believe we’re different than everybody else.
SPEAKER 05 :
Maybe they see Earth as a great landing pad. Anyway, you were saying. I’m sorry.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, my point is when it comes to that whole aspect of things and that movement and so on, I really feel like – and we interviewed a guy a while back, and this was his explanation. He wrote a book. I don’t know whether I believe everything, but his explanation for a lot of the – The UFO, quote-unquote, sightings movement and so on is basically demonic, and that is like the Nephilim of old and so on, and it’s that end of things that is doing a lot of these things, and that it really isn’t aliens. It’s a lot of demonic things that are happening. And, you know, I don’t know that I would totally disagree with that. Don’t know that I would totally buy into that either. Okay. I don’t know. I don’t know one way or the other. I’m kind of with Andy. At the end of the day, it’s really not. And this is where I kind of go against that particular person on the demonic end of things, because Satan wants to destroy. He seeks to devour and to destroy and do everything he possibly can. And yet all of these aliens, Andy, we don’t see anything from.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 16 :
So that doesn’t make any sense either.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think one thing that fuels their fire is the simple fact that the Bible never discusses life on other planets for or against. It just doesn’t mention it.
SPEAKER 16 :
That’s my view. It doesn’t exist.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there’s no need for it, obviously. Correct. But, you know, anyway, getting back to Tucker. I really agree with you, John. I think Fox News saw a lunatic in the making, and they had to get him out the door.
SPEAKER 16 :
They had to figure out a way to separate themselves from him at that time, and they did. And by the way, the same thing has happened with, and I said this yesterday, with the likes of the Candace Owens as well. She’s gone off the total deep end. I mean, the reality is, while she at one point liked her, followed her, thought she was very solid, and I’ll tell you, in the last 12, 18 months or so, she has just become an absolute loon. When did she turn on the Jews like this? I don’t know, but she’s a Looney Tune. All credibility gone. She used to be one of the most brilliant young conservatives I had ever heard speak. Yeah, her and Charlie Kirk could work together on almost anything and do just well, you know, do great and move ahead and so on. Those two are polar opposites. Oh, he’s left her behind. Good reason to, because she’s a Looney Tune. She’s a knucklehead.
SPEAKER 05 :
But she was brilliant. Yeah.
SPEAKER 16 :
Something got into her. Again, and I talked about this some yesterday, when you get to a point to where your influence is so big and you have all of these followers, and I’ve tried to explain this as much as I can. I still don’t think people really understand how these influencers make money, but it’s simple, folks. All these big platforms, Facebook, so Meta, which is Facebook and Instagram. YouTube and TikTok, those are really the four major platforms that these influencers earn money on, and they earn money by people watching them, clicking, liking, sharing, forwarding.
SPEAKER 05 :
So there’s value in being on the edge.
SPEAKER 16 :
and being crazy. Absolutely, because the more edgy you are, the more apt you are to have a lot more followers because you are that edgy. And in turn, Andy, your revenue stream just, I’m not saying it goes up a little bit. It is magnified. It goes up substantially because of that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I guess if we did more shock jock stuff here.
SPEAKER 16 :
And I’m not that person. I won’t do that. No. And that’s why I’m not an – somebody asked me on Drive Radio a few weeks ago, why am I, especially in the car world, why am I not an influencer? You just said it, Andy, because I’m not going to be that guy because I’m just going to lay it out factually, and you can figure out for yourself what you think you need to do or not do, but I’m not that guy. I don’t want to be that guy.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m not a shock jock. Never have been, never will be.
SPEAKER 05 :
But you know what happens with that guy way too often is that radio stations, TV stations, channels like Fox have to get rid of him.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you crash and burn eventually. Because eventually, too, what happens is, and this is the difference between a shock jock like Howard Stern, where he’s just a shock jock, and all these other influencers are trying to be a Howard Stern, only they’re doing it with a lot of misinformation. In other words, they’re not factual in a lot of the things that they’re sharing. And that really kills their credibility, Andy.
SPEAKER 05 :
Let me pose a question for after the break.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay, we’re fine. We got time. No, we’re going to combine.
SPEAKER 05 :
What about somebody who was a shock jock? Because there are shock jocks who then come back to reality. And I want to give an example of Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck has become much more realistic in his outlook on politics. For a while there… He was way out there as well. He was way out there. He was one of those who said Republican Party is no better than Democrat Party. By the way, he did a lot of damage with that. A lot of damage by equating the party. Shame on you, Glenn Beck. What a horrific thing to do. But… He no longer says that he no longer is, you know, backing the all pacifist piece in a kippy type thing. He thinks Trump nailed it with his latest actions. He has really come back to the fold and become much more reasonable. And why is that? How how can somebody when they go way off come way back?
SPEAKER 16 :
Right. All right. That’s a great question, and it doesn’t happen very often. No. Usually there’s some sort of a humbling experience, and what I will tell you happened with Glenn Beck is I do think it was humbling. He about lost it all. He had the whole Blaze Network thing going on. He poured a bunch of money and resources and everything into that. It did really well for a while, and honestly, folks, it darn near went away. He darn near lost it all, and I think for Glenn, this is my take on it. We were sitting here interviewing him. I think he would probably agree with us. That, I think, was his come-to-Jesus meeting. hey, wait a minute, I’ve got to start being better at what I’m doing, and I can’t just be on the rant all the time, and I can’t just be throwing things out there hoping it sticks to the wall, because the reality, this stuff is going to catch up to me, and I’m going to lose it all if I don’t get better at this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, because early on when he was doing all the chalkboard stuff, he was so brilliant and so incredible. with the way he laid out so much of what was being done by the Democrats. Then he started blaming Republicans equally with Democrats. Maybe he was trying to broaden his audience with that. I don’t know.
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t know. I think, Andy, some of these folks, including even from Tucker Carlson to Candace Owen and so on, I think they get… The wrong information from the wrong people, they throw some things out, a few things do stick. They’ll have a few videos, or in Candace’s case, a few things blow up. They get all sorts of revenue off of that. Where I stopped watching Candace, for all of you listening, by the way, is when she felt like it was her personal mission to go against Macron and his, whatever she said, transgender wife, husband, whatever the thing is, the leader of France. And again, at the end of the day, I don’t care who they are. How does that affect us one way or the other, Andy? Yeah, McCrone? Yeah, but she was on a mission to prove that his wife was a dude at one point in time. That was her sole mission. She’s got a documentary on it. Candace does.
SPEAKER 05 :
Did Tucker tell him that this came from space?
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Tell her that? I don’t know, Andy. The point is, who cares? You are maximizing on minutiae, and people lose interest.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, and for me, again, I stopped following Tucker when he went on the alien thing. I stopped following Candace when she went on this big rant for the leader of France, which, again, at the end of the day, who cares? Right. Whether she’s transgender or she could be a monkey for all I care, Andy. At the end of the day, how does that affect us? It doesn’t. Literally. She could be an alien. How does it affect us? It doesn’t. Thank you. Because we’re smart and we’ll never move to France. But she went on this big mission to try to discredit him on that. And anyways, that’s when I stopped following her was because of all of that as well. So Golden Eagle Financial coming up next, folks. And again, when it comes to your financial future, get with Al. He’ll help you get to your destination, financially speaking, and stay there. Don’t forget, he’s got his own program tomorrow between 2 and 2.30 right here on KLZ. It’s Al Smith. Find him at klzradio.com.
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SPEAKER 16 :
All right, and we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. Something I learned, by the way, early on in this particular role, which I’ve been doing this now for 11 years. And, you know, when you get started, you know, I was a guy from the weekends that came to the daytime. And, yes, I was green. I had a lot to learn. I didn’t know as much about politics then as – I mean, I knew enough to get started, but I didn’t know it like I do today, Andy, just because – You know, I was a business owner. I was doing other things. I was running a family and a business and all sorts of other things, which I think I always, in the back of my mind, remember that about a lot of the people that are even listening to us, that they’re doing the same thing. So I’m trying to bring them as much information, good, credible information as possible that they can then use to decipher what should I do. And it’s why, even when back in the day, people would send me articles from Alex Jones, and even then… I was a greenie. Green being totally Andy. But even then, I knew, this guy’s a nutjob. I’m not going to talk about anything he says on air. And I never have. Nor will I ever. You were a greenie? In radio, as far as Daily Show is concerned.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, green.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. I was green. New to it. Very new to that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sorry, you’ve got to keep in mind, I was raised by environmentalists. Oh, no.
SPEAKER 16 :
So, Even when it comes to – when it came to even articles and stuff people would send me back in the day about Alex Jones, I mean, I knew right off the bat, and I wasn’t a veteran radio person at all, but I knew at that point in time, this guy’s a nut job. I’m not using anything he’s – anything he’s got, I’m not using on air ever because, I mean, yeah, I know a blind squirrel finds a nut, but that guy’s a nut job. Right. It’s been proven over and over again he’s a nut job.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah, I mean – This is one reason why, as you were saying earlier, folks, we’ve got to align ourselves with truths and principles. Correct. Not with individuals.
SPEAKER 16 :
And correctness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Because those individuals can derail.
SPEAKER 16 :
They will fail. Every individual will fail, folks.
SPEAKER 05 :
Everyone fails except one.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, you cannot. And you can follow him, but don’t follow anybody else because it’s them. You might follow what they do, what they say. And that includes Trump. Yeah, that includes Trump. I mean, I love the guy dearly, but is he perfect? Absolutely not. There’s a lot of things he does that I probably wouldn’t do. And that’s fine. We can agree to disagree on certain things. That’s life.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, honestly, John, and I’ll finish with this. While Trump has been brilliant throughout this whole affair, it has been the three guys under him, Vance Rubio and Pete Hegseth, who have been knocking it out of the park in interviews.
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One thing he’s done different this term than last is putting much better people around him than what he had the last time. We’ll close with that this first hour. Two more hours coming your way. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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I’m a rich guy.
