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John’s taking a couple weeks off here. Well-deserved, very well-deserved. He works hard. You guys have absolutely no idea what a workaholic John Rush is. It’s amazing. So, John, wherever you are, I hope you’re enjoying yourself. I am joined today by Mr. Todd Watkins of the… Go ahead.
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El Paso County Republican Party.
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The El Paso County Republican Party. You’re still allowed… On the El Paso County Republican Party. Sort of. Is the El Paso County Republican Party kind of a microcosm of the state party?
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100%.
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Just this incredible division.
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You know, folks, we’re going to be talking later on this hour and much of this hour about the Colorado Republican Party. I know people are going to be like, oh, no, I don’t want to hear about Colorado Republican Party. I want to hear about Trump. Yeah, that’s coming. Okay. And by the way, I’m so excited about Trump.
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Well, we all should be, right?
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Oh, my gosh. It’s beautiful.
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Everybody who thought he was, you know, wrong, orange man bad the first four years, all it took was four years of, you know. Orange man gone. Right. Orange man gone.
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I like that.
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I’m going to keep using that to realize, oh, wait a minute. Maybe we do need law and order in this country.
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Oh, yes. And by the way, law and order is gone. We got another example of that today. Now, I know this is a little heavy, but folks, I’m coming in hot. I am coming in mad. All right. And that is at Joe Biden. Now, look, I know it’s not him doing it. He doesn’t do anything now. It’s all the people who are pulling the strings and running things. He’s a puppet. At this point, he’s a vegetable, basically, at least in terms of governing.
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He was for the four years. He was pretty much. It was weekend at Bernie’s for four years.
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Yeah, pretty much it was. And look, today, what do they call it? Commuted the sentences of 37 out of the 44. Federal death row inmates. And now they have life in prison.
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Yes.
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And, folks, we could go through and give a bunch of examples. We don’t have time here. Let me just give one, though. Little Lexus Roberts, she was only 12 years old when she watched Thomas Sanders murder, kill her mother. Now, here’s the problem. That made her a witness. So Sanders then… did the same to her and murdered her okay 12 year old girl just slaughtered them both and by the way these weren’t quick kills okay folks I’m not going to go into any details but the man is a savage the man is a monster Okay, now my question is, why is this person still alive? They should be dead. I am all for the death penalty, folks. Obviously just in extreme cases. These are extreme cases!
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It kind of takes extreme actions to get put on death row anymore these days. I mean, horse thieves don’t get hanged any longer. It takes abominable murders to get that kind of sentence.
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Right. And also in all these cases, the evidence was overwhelming. It’s not like the Hollywood movies where, you know, this poor person, this poor guy gets sent up the river when there’s not good evidence. No, no, no, folks. In every single one of these cases, the evidence is overwhelming. They were guilty, guilty, guilty. They had done it and we knew they had done it. And now he is going to give them life in prison. And I just want to deal really quickly here with a couple of the. I’m just going to say what the left will say. You know, their protests against capital punishment.
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Right.
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All right. One is that they say this lowers us to their level. You’re killing. You’re killing just like they’re killing. You’re a killer just like they’re a killer. How can you be that? No, no, no. You see, until I kill an innocent mom. and then kill her innocent 12-year-old whose only crime was witnessing me killing her mom? Until I do those things, no, I am not the same as the person pulling the switch to end this murderer’s life. These people who killed, they chose to kill innocent victims. They did not choose to end the life of savages and monsters who killed other people.
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Well, also, the murderers generally don’t go through probable cause findings and proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Right.
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You know, 39 different reviews of the case and appeals.
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So you’re telling me, you know, that, what’s his name here? Thomas Sanders didn’t first… have lexus roberts and her mom go through a whole court system to make sure that they deserved to be slaughtered by his hand correct oh and then there was no appeals process either oh well you know that’s slightly different here’s another one they say well they’ve just been given life in prison they’ve been given life in prison that’s enough really i got news for you their victims aren’t given life in anywhere Their victims are dead. Their victims are gone. Here’s another one. They say, well, it’s not that much of a deterrent. First of all, I think it is a deterrent.
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It could be more of a deterrent if it was used more judiciously than it is now. Now it’s a joke. It takes 20, 25, 30 years.
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Exactly. The problem is not the punishment. It’s not applied well. The problem is the system. Because they know, my gosh, I could get off. I could have it stretched out. I could have it dragged out by lawyers. I can have the system wielded in my favor to where I avoid that punishment for decades on end. Folks, that’s why it’s not nearly as much of a deterrent. What if they knew? Okay, once you are really found guilty, guilty, guilty, and we’re not talking self-defense. We’re not talking anything that’s even borderline. We’re talking you are a savage murderer.
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Cold-blooded murder.
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We’re talking rare cases. We’re talking like the guy from Guatemala who just burned a woman alive on a New York subway. Yeah. She woke up on fire and he watched her and watched her burn. The man should already be dead in my view.
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And I don’t believe New York has a death penalty anymore. I believe that was it was abolished.
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Yeah. Well, you know, they need one. OK. If any place. Let me ask you something, Todd. Why? And at this point, I’m not just looking at the fact, you know, the death penalty versus not death penalty. I’m looking at the entire system that keeps these people on alive on endless appeals for on death row forever. Okay. Why? What? What? Why are the American taxpayers who bust their tails every day to make enough money to live by the rules and pay for their kids to go to school and pay for their mortgage and pay for food that’s skyrocketing in price because of our president and pay for all these things in life so that they can survive and they work so hard and they save up to where maybe they could take a vacation, right? These people who use their money this way, why are those American taxpayers having to pay one red cent to house, clothe, feed, and guard these monsters when they could simply be ended?
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A couple of reasons. Why? I would argue. First of all, there’s the sensible conscientious part, where as a nation of laws, and a nation of laws, we want to be a nation of laws. We are. That is properly… And legally applied. I know I just used… Yeah, I’m all for that, but it doesn’t have to take 20 years after someone’s already been found guilty. No, you’re right. I agree with you there. But there is this… a burdensome task that we placed on ourselves, I think, as a government, as a people, to ensure that we’re doing the right thing in the right way. So that’s why there are so many appeals. But you’re right.
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There shouldn’t be this many appeals.
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It shouldn’t, because this is the left coming in, wanting to, you know, hug and forgive everybody and try to derail that.
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Todd, I’m in favor of the appeal process. Don’t get me wrong. I think a review. But it needs to be reviewed. You can go to a higher court. You can have it reviewed. You can have the evidence reviewed. But at some point, once it’s done, it’s done and that’s it. Death row should be a very short walk. This is ridiculous.
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Even in Texas. There is an automatic appeal. So the judge sentences someone to a death sentence. It goes right to an automatic appeal, and everything is reviewed. And I’m with you on that.
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There you go.
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You done did it. Sounds good. Yeah, I want to make for sure, for sure. Especially today with the type of technology that there is in crime scene analysis, in forensics. They’re pretty much… Dern sure that the person that they’ve convicted is the person who did it.
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Right. You see, I’m not looking for quick, clumsy, reckless justice. All right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But I’m talking move the process along because right now we’ve we’ve got the opposite. They’re dragging it out just so they can have no justice. They’re dragging it out just so they can. And why are they dragging out all the people who are in favor of dragging it out? are people who oppose the death penalty, period. Right. Okay. These are not people who support the death penalty. They just want to make for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. No. The people who drag these things out for decades on end.
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They’re trying to make it untenable so that it’s repealed. Right. Yes.
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In other words, they are denying justice to the families of those who were slaughtered by these savages.
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I think you could make a case that they’re actually taking advantage of the fact that our criminal justice system is generally composed to protect the rights of the accused so that somebody who is accused is not falsely, wrongly, maliciously, vindictively accused.
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To a degree, that’s fine. But we’ve gone way past that degree.
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Yeah, it gets exploited, right? Right. So that the criminal’s rights matter far greater than the person who is harmed.
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Exactly. I have no problem with the appeals process, the basic appeals process, and make them for sure, for sure. I love that. I’m for that. I want that, okay? Yeah. But it’s being abused, as you said. It is. It’s being abused, and now people who deserve justice are going to watch while their kids… There were a number of these people who murdered children. Their children will never grow up. They’re dead, okay? And these guys get to live… For life. On our tax dollars. On the tax dime of the American taxpayer who are already busting their tails just to survive every day. And they have to keep these monsters alive. It is despicable. I’ve had it.
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There’s also something else to consider with these commutations. And if somebody out in radio land knows… the answer definitively i believe in the federal system if somebody is given a life sentence because that’s what this is we’re commuting a death sentence to a sentence of life in prison i believe they get a in a a parole hearing after x number of years i believe it’s there’s not an option to deny them a parole oh i thought you could have without possibility of parole it’s Some states have that. A lot of states have. There’s no such thing as without parole.
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Personally, I don’t care.
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They do get a parole hearing.
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Personally, I don’t care. They should be dead. OK, you’re right.
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But just note that they they could come up on a parole hearing in five, six, 10 years and get out.
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I want all 37 of those, including the last three. There are three who weren’t given this deal. One of them is one of the Tsarnaev brothers with the Boston Boston bombing. Here’s what I believe. They should all have life sentences and very short life sentences. OK, they should all be dead. OK, these have all gone through the process. They’ve gone through the appeals process. They’ve gone through it all. We know they’re guilty. We know they did it. These are monsters. We should not be paying them. They should not get one more meal on the back of the American taxpayer who they killed.
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OK, that’s my thinking. Sorry, folks, coming in a little hot, but I’m mad. I’m mad because how dare he do what he just did? This is proof once again. And one last message for all you who voted for Joe Biden or vote for Democrats. You are accessories to what just happened. This does not happen. And this has not happened. The memory of these children does not get shamed like it just was if it weren’t for your vote. You made this possible. We have a lawless president who is also selling off parts of the wall so we can be further invaded. Look, we have a lawless presidency, and you made it happen. If you voted for this man even once, you’re an accessory, and you need to apologize to America. You need to apologize because it is going to take a lot of work for Trump to help us make it back from this, and it’ll take more than four years. Okay, let’s take a break. When we come back, we’re going to talk to Natalie Tennant, who is going to be on the line, and we’re going to talk about the Colorado GOP and some of the funny things they’ve been up to because it is getting really scary. Up next is someone who’s not scary at all. That’s Golden Eagle Financial. Prepare your financial future by maximizing your present with Al Smith. No one does it better, so call Al at 303-744-1128, or you can find him at klzradio.com.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush. Not always happy during the holidays. Not when President Biden lets a lot of really bad people off death row. I am here with Todd Watkins on the line right now. We’ve got Natalie Tennant. Natalie, how are you today? Hi, Andy. Hi, Todd. How are you guys doing? Hey, Natalie. I’m good. We are doing well. Natalie, you held a meeting, you terrible person. I mean, does that make you a criminal? I’m just asking. You held a meeting online. And what was your meeting about? Because this is really important. A lot of people are wondering, well, what are you talking about, Andy? Here’s what I’m talking about. Hope Scheppelman, vice chair of the Republican Party here in Colorado, actually attended your meeting. And she came out a couple of days ago and put out a video, which I found hilarious, that basically you could tell was highly scripted. It was written by probably a group of people. And it basically said that you people are endangering the lives of the leadership of the Colorado GOP. Is that what you’re doing, Natalie? Do we need to – well, wait, Natalie, what I want to ask is, do we need to call Joe Biden and see if he can, you know, get your sentence reduced?
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Get me pardoned?
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Yes.
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Listen. What happened at the meeting? A lot of good things as far as I knew. I attended. I was present. So I just don’t – I don’t know where to go with this anymore because while I was on hold, I was trolling through Facebook, and here she is waving the white flag again wishing me a Merry Christmas. Like, huh? I don’t understand it because she’s, like, flip-flopped so much that I don’t know when to take her seriously. So, yes, we held a – they keep calling it a town hall because the handle for it was Colorado Town Hall. And Never Surrender was a co-host to that, which is me. And what I did was I reached out to Steve Peck, who is Douglas County Chair, because there was a lot of controversy about one of the commissioners, Laura, stepping down to fill the vacancy. We have to have a vacancy meeting. So I went direct to the source. Hey, Steve, I’ve met him over all this controversy stuff. And I said, this doesn’t make sense to me because of the way that it happens in Weld County. The county chair doesn’t choose. We have a county council. So I wanted to understand process. So I reached out to him. He said he was going to do a video. And I said, hey, let’s do a Twitter space. Because there was so much controversy back and forth. Like he did this. He did that. This was this. This is that. No, he’s lying. She’s lying. And that’s all that keeps happening.
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Just so people get an idea what the meeting is about. Basically, they had an election for Douglas County Commissioner. There are three commissioners in Douglas County. Two are already in place. They are a Republican. The third one who was also a Republican was leaving the position. That was Laura Thomas. And so they held an election, you know, on election night. And the Republican won one handily. It’s Douglas County.
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Okay.
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One handily. And through, I don’t want to get into the reasons why, but Laura decided to step down early before the end of her term. And so that meant that we had to fill her seat. And the question was, well, could the county chair, which I didn’t even know the county chair had that power. In Douglas County, they do?
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Yeah.
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That’s fine.
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It has to do with the composition of the Board of Commissioners. Got it. So the three commissioners in Douglas County are at large. They don’t have districts. Right. They’re not geographically limited. So therefore, the Douglas County Republican Party Central Committee would act as the vacancy committee committee.
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for a vacancy with the commissioners hence this the chair okay that’s fine yeah and steve peck’s the chair so the idea was and i’m just going to kind of cut through a bunch of it here really quick natalie because i just want to get to you know you guys wishing death upon the leadership of the republican party which which is hilarious um and no you did not um So basically, the idea was supposed to be like within 10 days or whatever, he was supposed to appoint the guy who won the election to jump in and start early to fill Laura’s seat. About four weeks early. Right. But to do this, he would have had to call a meeting of the full committee during the holidays. Yes. And here’s the real here’s here’s why that would have been really stupid, folks. Why would you first of all, you got to get a quorum together from people who are already traveling over the holidays. Secondly, you don’t have to do it. You can just go to the governor and say, hey, can you just appoint the guy now and put him in place? And let’s say the guy and the governor does what they call a gentleman’s agreement. Right. And the governor says, yeah, sure, I’ll put him in. And the governor happens to be Jared Polis. Now, even if Jared Polis, let’s say that he had gone back in his word and put a Democrat in the position, wouldn’t have mattered, folks, because first of all, the Republican would have been in within a month anyway. It’s over the holidays. There’s no business. And by the way, that person is still outnumbered by the other two Republican commissioners. They couldn’t have done anything. There is no way Polis could have put some Democrat in the position and caused any harm in any way, shape or form.
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Right. So the quorum that yes, you’re right. The chair would have to establish a quorum and state statute requires that the quorum for a vacancy for a county commissioner seat is 50 percent of the whole body. So, right. It’s not it’s not just one of those. Hey, whoever shows up is the quorum. They had to get half half of them had to show up for it.
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Yeah, they said. Yeah. OK. And now this is the hilarious part. Hope comes out and she says two basic things. Number one, that you guys were endangering their lives. And I’m sorry, that’s so ludicrous. Folks. She’s retracting that now, by the way. But go ahead.
SPEAKER 13 :
Well, of course she’s retracting it because she lied. She never named me. She’s saying that I was never named. I was named. Dave Williams named me on a podcast. He named me in an email.
SPEAKER 06 :
And he named me, too. And by the way, I’m hurt that he didn’t name me. I’ll name you.
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I just want you to know. And Andy Pate.
SPEAKER 06 :
Thank you. Now I’ve been named. Why am I never included on these things? I mean, look, here’s the bottom line. None of the resistances I’m going to call you guys against Dave Williams and Hope Shepelman, none of you have ever… threatened them with their with any violence ever you’ve never called for any threats of violence you’ve never supported any threats of violence the one guy who brought some threats of violence you guys didn’t even know him he was simply invited to come on the call okay he was invited to come on the call because he had cured some ballots who cares and it didn’t happen during the call and it didn’t happen it didn’t even happen during the call it happened after the fact
SPEAKER 13 :
Right, Natalie? Yes. The call was perfect. It was a perfect call. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
By the way, Natalie, I hear Hope was on her best behavior as well.
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Apologizing for stuff.
SPEAKER 13 :
I was shocked. Great.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
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I reached out to her via Facebook message and I said, thank you for that. I thanked her for it because I mean what I say. And I did. And I thought this could be a good pivot. Maybe Hope has seen, you know, I’d like to think she’s her own individual and she is not puppeted by Dave and co. But that’s my opinion. And I just… I scratch my head because I have a Facebook group. I try to be involved. I’ve gotten involved locally. I’ve helped candidates get elected. What have you done? What have you done but cause disruption? They’re disruptors. And like this thing with Steve Peck in Douglas County, yes, he did not follow the procedure. But for what reason? Like, do we not do that? Are we not smart Republicans? Do we not think, why should we waste more money?
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Yeah, well, the bottom line, it would have taken time and money to get together a quorum, which you didn’t need, because the governor could simply appoint the guy, and it wouldn’t make any difference. You’re getting the same guy. And even if the governor reneged on his agreement and put in a Democrat, the Democrat would have been powerless for a month. It would have meant no difference. Steve Peck was absolutely right in what he did in not calling the meeting. But let’s take a step further here, Natalie, because then. Hope, in her statement, I forget how she put it. But in so many words, she said that you guys had given that Steve Peck, by allowing the governor to be so magnanimous as to appoint a Republican who had already won easily in a Republican district and give him a month early to be on there. I’m sorry, it’s hard not to laugh. She indicated that this was going to help Jared Polis with his national ambitions. This was going to be such an incredible bipartisan act of Jared Polis because he seeded a Republican who had won a month early because his predecessor stepped down, that this was something that Jared Polis could tout as being so bipartisan of him that it would actually help him nationally in other words get the white house in other words steve peck helped jared polis win the white house it’s it’s a magnificent calculus there pardon me for just a moment may i i mean that’s crazy oh yes yes yes i get i i just want to tell jd vance i’m sorry 2028 you got no chance
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, because it’s Jared all the way because he seeded Van Winkle early.
SPEAKER 06 :
He seeded Kevin Van Winkle a month early. Look, you know, and wait a minute. I just got a call here. It’s in my ear here. Donald Trump is stepping down. He’s not going to be president. He understands it’s a foregone conclusion. He’s already lost all power. Steve Peck is insured that Jared Polis, now, by this incredible bipartisan act of seating a guy a whole month early who already won his election. that Steve Peck has already given the White House to Jared Polis. So, Natalie, why do you love Jared Polis so much? Why do you want to help him get the White House?
SPEAKER 13 :
Hey, I’ve been on every recall of him, and I’ve done my best to expose him, so not a fan at all. The thing that aggravates me the most, Andy, is that the call was good. In the call, the space was to talk to Steve Peck. He had, I think, the secretary may have been on. I could be messing that up. But somebody else from Douglas County spoke in how the process worked. The attorneys were called. You know, it was very detailed. I gave the platform. Britt and I gave the platform for us to have the conversation about that. Then at some point after Steve spoke, somebody had said Hope was on the call. And I was kind of shocked. I didn’t see her pop on. So I saw that she was there. I welcomed her on to speak if she wanted to. She opened the door, dang it. Like, she opened the door because she waved that little metaphorical white flag and all the things. Go listen. You don’t have to take my word for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
From everything I’ve heard, Natalie, it was a very conciliatory tone that she had. And by the way, nobody was aggressive. From what I heard, it was just a very friendly tone overall.
SPEAKER 13 :
It was. And I was very proud of the call getting off of it. Very proud of it. And I thought, you know, I spoke with some others after the call. I got a lot of feedback about the call. I mean, we had almost 200 people tune in. The analytics of it were great. And that’s because they made it turn into a bad thing. There’s nothing bad about that call. And I will stand on that. And if you doubt it and haven’t listened to it, shame on you then. Because if you want the truth, go listen to the call, form your own opinion.
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Okay.
SPEAKER 13 :
And now here we are. It’s it’s what did we go through over the summer? Was it Betsy Freedom? Like, I feel like this is a 2.0 in a sense, not saying there are there is a police report filed because I am named in this. I reached out to get information. They’ve been in communication with me. So I’m taking this seriously because what you’re talking about, the guy who who threatened the leadership.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, yeah. But here’s the thing. OK, some nutcase threat who comes on your call because you put out a very wide. I was invited on this thing, too. You put out a huge invitation to tons of people. A number of people came on. He was one of them. He asked a couple of questions on there. There were no threats on there. Later on, he makes these ridiculous threats against the state party, which, by the way, are legit threats. I believe he should have had the cops called on him. He did. There you go. OK, Chavez, I think his name is.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, whatever. OK, so done. Yeah. But here’s the thing. What the state party is trying to use this for, Natalie, now is to say any criticism of them endangers them. And by that by that measurement, virtually all political speech. could be labeled as dangerous. That’s right.
SPEAKER 07 :
Am I right, Todd? And who does that sound like?
SPEAKER 06 :
That sounds like Joe Biden. That sounds like the Democrats.
SPEAKER 07 :
The squad and everybody else.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. That sounds exactly like the Democrats. It’s the Saul Linsky tactics. Yeah, these are Saul Linsky tactics, right? You demonize all criticism of the left as dangerous to the left and say that you’re promoting. Look at how long they milked January 6th. And the way they did now, they’re trying to milk one threat from one nutcase guy. That’s right. The exact same way. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 07 :
So let me let me pull that thread for a moment. Go ahead. So in in as much as we are accused of inciting violence, let me tell you who actually did incite violence from this incident. Who? Dave, Hope, the CLGOP.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, and how did they do it?
SPEAKER 07 :
So within days of them saying, coming out publicly, very publicly, blasting emails to an email list.
SPEAKER 06 :
They were saying that you guys were endangering their lives. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER 07 :
So I’m at the gym two days in a row. This female woman, El Paso County, she’s part of the, you know, Dave and Vicki, very supportive of them. Sure. Vicki is the chairwoman of the El Paso County Republican Party. That’s a whole other show, by the way.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 07 :
But she comes up to me and she says, I just want to tell you to stop speaking out against the Colorado GOP. You’re going to get people killed. She would not leave me alone. But it’s… What I want to highlight in this, it wasn’t stop bad-mouthing, stop maligning, stop brutalizing, anything like that. Her words were very – it resonated with me. Stop speaking out. In other words, do not exercise your right to political speech.
SPEAKER 06 :
Your First Amendment right. Right. Basically, they are trying to cancel out the First Amendment. Yes. Guys, we’ve got to take a break. We’ll come right back because, Natalie, when we come back, I want to talk about it in case people are wondering, well, why are you guys trying so hard to remove these leaders of the state party? I just want to remind people in really quick bullet points just some of the things they’ve done, and I’m going to turn it over to Natalie. We’re talking to Natalie Tennant here on Rush to Reason. Up next is… High Five Plumbing, the holiday season means plumbing emergencies. So you need quality you can trust and a number you can remember. To get both, call High Five at 877-WE-HIGH-FIVE.
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One sure sign that you’re getting older is how Santa seems to look better each year. Merry Christmas from Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, along with Todd Watkins. Todd, you having a good time?
SPEAKER 07 :
I am.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is great. Well, good. On the line, we’ve got Natalie Tennant. Natalie, are you having a good time?
SPEAKER 13 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
In the presence of great people. I consider you both friends. Oh, thank you so much. Okay. For those who are, maybe you’re listening from Wyoming or around the state, or maybe you’re just passing through, it’s the holiday season, and you’re wondering, why is this such a big deal? Guys, well, this stuff happens all over the place. I got news for you. No, it doesn’t. And what I’m going to do is list off in bullet point fashion very quickly. So listen close, everybody. Listen close. I’m going to show you why what’s being done with the Colorado Republican Party by its current leadership is totally unprecedented. It’s not being done in the other 50 states, 49 states. You know what I mean? Well, Canada. They’re going to be a new state. I need Panama Canal soon, too. You know what I mean. But it’s not being done anywhere else, folks. This is unique. And it’s not only unique to Colorado. It’s unique to our party history here. This is all stuff that has never been done by leadership of the Colorado Republican Party before. Here we go. And all of it is designed from the moment he took office. Dave Williams has wanted to alienate huge members. Of the Republican Party here in Colorado. Divide, attack, alienate, all unprecedented. Here we go. Number one, his first action was attacking his predecessor, Christie Burton Brown, and having his team do the same in meetings all over the state. Todd, is that true?
SPEAKER 07 :
That is absolutely true.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, number two, Dave and the state central committee threw out neutrality for party leadership. That means party leadership stays out of the primaries. They say, look, we’re not going to endorse some primaries. That’s a good thing. They shouldn’t. He threw that out. Then, after taking huge money from presidential candidates like Nikki Haley, like Donald Trump, like Ron DeSantis, like Chris Christie. Yeah, like all these people. After taking huge money from presidential candidates, the state party endorsed against several of them and refused to return their money.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s right. It was $40,000 apiece.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know, $40,000 apiece. So they’re saying our fundraising has been much better. Well, yeah, you just squeezed all these national candidates and then you endorsed against them and didn’t get back the money. Next.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s the first time that the state party has done that, is required a ballot fee from the candidates, by the way, for the primary.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Okay. Next, if anyone opposed this dividing of our party, Dave claimed they were opposing the new MAGA direction for the GOP. He offered no evidence connecting these things. Todd, is that correct?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
That is exactly what he said. So if anybody said, look, you… You took their money and then endorsed against them and wouldn’t give the money back. He said, you’re against MAGA. That was his response. Next, Dave was the first state chair to run for office in a contested primary. This means he actually ran against fellow Republicans while holding the power of being their state chair. To call this a conflict of interest is an understatement of historic proportion.
SPEAKER 07 :
And that is where I began my journey to try to remove him.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is where you get because you used to be his his supporter. Next, Dave and his team endorsed 18 Republicans in contested primaries using the petition process as their excuse. More on that in a minute. Even with state party support, they lost 14 of these races badly. In other words, they endorsed a bunch of terrible candidates who would have killed us in the general election. Is this true? Yes. OK, next, Dave and his team. Natalie, I’ll ask you on the next few. Dave and his team weaponized all state party resources against fellow Republicans in these races. OK, so they didn’t just endorse them. and doors against them, they weaponized their resources, meaning that Republican candidates for the first time ever in Colorado had to waste time and money running against their own party before ever getting to run against the Democrats. And this was done with email mailers, newspapers, online activism, et cetera. Natalie, am I exaggerating any of that? Not even close. Not even close. And by the way, notice how every single one of these things, you’re alienating a bunch of Republicans. Nikki Haley had supporters. You just alienated them. Ron DeSantis had supporters. You see where I’m going with this. Okay, next. Dave put out his God hates flags email. which is a thinly veiled slur. Okay, it is. It’s thinly, and everybody knew it. And he called on Republicans to burn pride flags, which means burn other people’s property. If anyone protested these actions, Dave claimed they supported grooming kids.
SPEAKER 07 :
And Dave… Am I exaggerating? No, and furthermore, Dave defended that, saying that he was following… He wanted to go to heaven, and he was walking in the way of Jesus. Hey, my degree— He shrouded himself in religion to defend that, by the way, on stage.
SPEAKER 06 :
Look, I’m a born-again Christian with a degree in the ministry, but I got news for Dave. The GOP isn’t a church, okay? Sorry, you can’t treat it like that. Okay, next one.
SPEAKER 13 :
Natalie, I’m going to throw this. Hold on, though. You’re missing an important part here. They’ve circled back to that because Trump’s speech at Turning Point. recently speaking about transgender and the alphabet squad. If you listen to how Trump speaks about that, that’s MAGA. We are all against that. We’ve never claimed that we’re not. We’re all in these little groups fighting this for our children, right? That’s the whole thing is our children. And now they’re still trying to compare. Literally, there’s posts out there of them trying to compare what Dave did to Trump’s speech the other day.
SPEAKER 06 :
Not even close. Natalie, not one single critic of Dave’s has ever supported the grooming of kids. Not one, and yet he claimed everybody who was criticizing him for this supported the grooming of kids. Okay, next one. Here we go. There aren’t many left. Next, Dave and his team helped launch Rhino Watch, a hit site, and they helped launch it from State Party HQ. I got to throw this one to you, Todd, because you were actually there. I was there. For the first time ever, the State Party helped form a hit site solely designed to attack and divide fellow Republicans. Rhino Watch is the militant online arm of the COGOP. You were there. Did this happen?
SPEAKER 07 :
Oh, absolutely did. Chuck Boniwell and Julie Hayden run that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And so they helped run. And by the way, they gave them the state party email.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
They didn’t have to pay for it, and they gave them full approval to use it, which, by the way, is incredibly valuable. They allowed a hit site to attack all their opponents within the party email. And they promoted this from the state party headquarters. Okay, next one coming to you, Natalie. In September of 2023, Dave attempted to convert all non-votes into yes votes for his agenda. Okay, totally unprecedented. In other words, if anybody couldn’t make it to a meeting, he would convert their non-votes into yes votes for his agenda. Is this true?
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 13 :
The feedback that I’ve gotten on this, and I spoke with many that attended that call and were present on that, that it was a voice call. It was a voice count as far as I’m understanding. And then Dave just struck the gavel and called it what it was. But the feedback that I’m getting from people present on that call is that the majority was not for that.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, actually, he even campaigned for it to be, those votes to be converted to yes. Okay, just a couple more here. Dave appointed Ron Hanks to lead a committee. Now, Ron Hanks had just left our party in 2022 after losing his primary for the Senate seat, and then Ron called on his supporters to vote against the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate. So Dave literally rewarded a traitor to our party by giving him the headship of a committee. anything?
SPEAKER 13 :
You are absolutely not. And that happened last December. And that is when it started for me with Dave, is the Dominion machines and his contact and communication with Dominion and other machines that he was going to use machines for assembly. He removed Lori Kutinelli from that committee, as well as Peg Cage. And I just don’t understand that. And that’s when all sirens went off for me, because if they’re going to remove those two women who have fought so hard in regards to election integrity and exposing truth on that. I mean, they campaign blown up machines. I think it was a fax machine, though. But they touted on that. That is fax.
SPEAKER 06 :
And that’s where it started for me was last December. Got to run on the last two because we’re running behind here. Next, the Colorado GOP bragged about advancing a few seats in this last election, but in truth, they lost about 60% of the national red wave for Trump in 2024. You want evidence? Here it is. It’s the numbers. Donald Trump, in his gap between him and the Democrat, improved by 6.2% from 2020 to 2024 nationally. Here in Colorado, we only improved by 2.5%. We lost 3.7% of the national red wave. That’s almost 60% of the national red wave we didn’t get. That’s bad. Now, one last thing, and this is huge. Dave appointed Matt Arnold to lead an anti-corruption committee, which is a hit squad designed for one purpose, lawfare. OK, that’s what Matt Arnold does. I know Matt. I knew him in the past. We actually get along quite well for the most part. But he does lawfare. He launches constant lawsuits against people to wear them down. Now, to launch against Dave’s critics, that’s what this is going to do. This team will do oppo research on anyone running in a district against Dave’s allies. And that’s what’s coming up. Now, let’s take a break. OK, when we come back, I’m going to let Natalie finish up. You ready, Natalie? I am ready. Okay, up next is Cub Creek Heating and Air. When you need help on your heater, beware of coupons with crazy offers. Those are just hooks so they can get in your house and discover all kinds of extra work. Cub Creek has great prices, and they don’t upsell you to death. Give them a call at 303-656-5467.
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SPEAKER 06 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Natalie Tennant on the line. Natalie, I just want to let you know something really quick. Dave Williams is going to use this anti-corruption committee exactly as Joe Biden uses the FBI. And all of your backgrounds are going to be Mar-a-Lago. I just want to know, do you guys understand this? Are you ready? You got, you got 20 seconds.
SPEAKER 13 :
Let’s dance because I have my first amendment right for the bylaws for the constitution. I am entitled to speak out against him because he is the so-called leader of the Republican party. And I don’t think he’s doing his job. I will continue and I will speak the truth regardless of what they throw at me. Um, I’m not stopping. Never surrender means never. And I’m not stopping on this.
SPEAKER 06 :
All right, Natalie Tennant, thanks for joining us. And you are right. Okay, folks, that’s it for our number one. And now we’re number two. Richard Rush is going to join us for sports and NFL picks. And we’re talking more Trump in 2025. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
