This episode of Rush to Reason with guest host Andy Pate focuses on the complexities surrounding immigration policies and the role of federal employees in upholding legal mandates. Joined by John Fabricatore and Tanner Cole, the conversation tackles the balance federal employees must maintain regardless of the administration in power. The dialogue transitions into a spirited critique of recent responses to political changes, including discussions on diversity and inclusion initiatives within government roles. Additionally, the episode sheds light on sanctuary policies, dissecting the tensions between state laws and federal mandates.
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My advice to you is to do what your parents did! Get a job, Turk! You haven’t made everybody equal. You’ve made them the same, and there’s a big difference.
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Are you crazy? Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?
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Filling in is Andy Pate, party of choice. And I’m your host, Andy Pate, filling in for John Rush, who is taking the week off. It’s good to be king, right? It is good to be king. And I’m joined, as always, by my good friend Tanner Cole. Man. That’s right, too much man for all the women to handle. They are clawing their way up the side of the building right now as we speak.
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They’re on floor nine. They’re coming.
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It’s frightening. It’s frightening. It is very World War Z. I mean, it’s just weird watching them climb over each other.
SPEAKER 14 :
They even heard what I had to say about that great movie that just came out, Wicked, and they still want the masculinity.
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Yeah, that actually, you lost a few there. Yeah. Just so you know.
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They jumped off the floor eight.
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If you don’t love Wicked, women are not going to like you as much. I just want people to know I do a lot of movie reviews here. We are also joined by… a wonderful candidate for CD6, who I voted for personally. I wanted to vote many times, but I’m Republican. Sorry about that. John Fabricatore. John, how are you today?
SPEAKER 08 :
I’m doing great. Thanks for having me, guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, it’s wonderful to have you. John, tell us just a little bit about yourself because in the next couple segments after this one, we’re going to be joined by Todd Watkins and we’re going to talk about mass deportations, which you don’t even like the term and you’ll tell us why. But you know a lot about this. Why?
SPEAKER 08 :
I do. I’m a United States Air Force veteran. After the Air Force, I became a federal agent in 1996. One second.
SPEAKER 05 :
He’s Air Force, so he’s a real man, just so you know, like me. Okay, go ahead.
SPEAKER 08 :
Two good Air Force veterans here. In 1996, I became a federal agent. I got on with Immigration Naturalization Service. From there, we turned into ICE after 9-11. Went through the ranks of ICE from being a regular street officer all the way through up through supervision and retired in 2022 as the senior executive service field office director for the states of Colorado and Wyoming.
SPEAKER 05 :
Fantastic. And I got to meet you a couple times because you deported me. They sent me out. I’m actually a citizen, but they just said I’m annoying. And so they sent me out. It was hard getting back in. Let me tell you something. Okay, this segment, before we get to mass deportations, I want to talk about some people who I kind of wish would be deported. That’s our federal government. And the… Tanner, have you heard about this? The State Department…
SPEAKER 14 :
I don’t think so.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, the State Department, Andy Blinken, they’re in trouble right now because they were having, I’m not kidding, they were hosting therapy sessions after the Trump win for the State Department. Therapy sessions. OK, they were. And so our State Department employees, these are the people who represent us all over the world. OK, they had to have therapy and get together and cry because the election didn’t go their way. You know, somehow that sounds just a little bit biased to me. And, you know, I assume that they had, you know, emotional support animals, puppies. you know kittens things like that uh here’s something that they were also doing here we go let me play it here we go why why why do you really hate me that bad well i’m getting there but there was a lot of this too it wasn’t christian yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. All right. Very good. Well, you know, I just want Democrats to understand, first of all, Please don’t scream when you’re holding the emotional support animal. Okay, so it’s not good. You’re supposed to pet the puppy slowly. You don’t hold the puppy in front of you and scream why, why, why while shaking it. It scares the puppy. Please don’t do that. This is not good. And fortunately, by the way, a lot of dogs were trying to get out of there. There were claw marks on the door trying to get out of the sessions. And they have all been adopted now by good conservative groups. You know, we feed them good dog food, the stuff with meat, not that vegetarian garbage because we actually like dogs. So, John, what do you think? I mean, it’s ridiculous. This is our federal government.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, look, it is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 05 :
We’re in good hands.
SPEAKER 08 :
Come on. Well, but when you become a federal employee, you know that you’re going to work for multiple administrations throughout your career. I mean, I started working for the first President Bush. Went through President Clinton, went through the second Bush, went through President Obama, went through President Trump and retired under President Obama. I knew every four years we were going to have an election and the possibility was going to be that we were going to have a new president. For a federal employee to act this way is ridiculous. And this just goes to show the DEI and the other things that we’re allowing to happen in the government that’s allowing employees to act like this when they never would have in the past.
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Right. And I think this makes us take a look at Doge coming in, which, by the way, I’m calling it the bulldozer. Just so you know, I can’t wait for them to arrive in Washington because we were told when Biden took over for Trump, remember, the adults are back in charge. The adults are back in charge. Really? The adults need support sessions, Tanner, when they lose an election. And they’re, by the way, like you just said, John, they’re supposed to be
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Non-partisan.
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Non-partisan, unbiased. When I was in the Air Force, do you think I served a Democrat or Republican any differently? No. No, man. I saluted.
SPEAKER 08 :
And look, there’s the Hatch Act. So when these people act like this, they’re actually showing who they voted for, which they should not in the federal government. So by allowing something like this to happen, to me, they’re even violating the Hatch Act just by allowing this to happen. The employees should be told, hey, show up for work. There’s a new administration in town, and you’re going to do your job. Bottom line, that’s it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, but they were, once again, the adults taking over. So here’s what I want you guys to think about for a moment. Tanner, these are the adults taking over, right?
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Allegedly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Those people who need that kind of help. were representing us all over the world in the State Department. That’s who was representing the United States, talking to this country, this country, this country, this country. Are you kidding me? They were representing… These are the people who are in charge of education in America. These are the people in charge of our military, okay? These are the people in charge of our border. We’ll get to that in the next segment. Are you kidding me, Tanner?
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, it’s just shocking. I didn’t know that lady who was screaming.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, no, no, no. I plugged that in.
SPEAKER 14 :
She’s just some random lady.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, yes, because for whatever reason, all Democrat women decided to take film of themselves in their cars after the election.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, have you seen the ones that decide to shave their heads, even though they’re married to a man already? And then, I mean, there’s multiple that have said they’ve already ended 20-year relationships just because someone voted for Trump. Yeah. It’s sad to see that this is what we come to. Me and my friends, we’re 25, 26. We’re not breaking friendships over this election. Yeah, there might be some verbal jabs and someone might be a little upset or get in their feelings, but this screaming match is crazy. And when Trump didn’t win his second term, we all went back to work saying, all right, we’re going to fight like hell to make sure Trump gets back in. That’s what we’ll be doing for four years. And we were rewarded for that. They decided to sit on their hands and thought, or yeah, sit on their hands and thought, Oh, it’ll just come to us. Everyone loves what Biden and Harris are doing. Granted, we have record highs in almost every major category, whether it’s the government spending, the border. I mean, just the absurdity going on in classrooms now with the kids learning stuff that’s not science, math, history.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
I mean, everywhere you look, there’s been disaster and they’re the only people to blame for it.
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Yeah, and once again, by the way, you know, those women who were shaving their heads and screaming and doing all that in cars.
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No one cared anyway.
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They all went to Wicked this week, and I just want you to know they were all… I went to Wicked because I have to. It’s what I do. They were all around me, and it was very frightening. Now, my wife… is a strong woman. She would not shave her head. If she was mad, she’d shave mine in my sleep. And I’d just wake up feeling very different about myself. And that’s not a good thing. Uh, Todd Watkins is on the line right now, but Todd, hang on. We’re through the break. We’re going to go to break. We’ll come back and we’re going to talk a little immigration and better yet, a little, uh, non-immigration. Sound good?
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Sounds good. Sounds perfect.
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God. Country. Reason. Now back to John Rush.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Andy Pate filling in for John Rush along with Tanner Cole and John Fabricatore. Glad to be here. Are you having a good time? I’m having a great time. All right. Well, on the line is somebody who always has a great time. That is Todd Watkins. Todd, how are you today? I’m doing great, Andy. Are you still the vice chair or have you been excommunicated yet?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I still am, although I would consider it an honor to be excommunicated. I made the Rhino Watch Hall of Fame several times.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, my gosh, and I still haven’t gotten on there. I have tried to be as belligerent as I possibly can. For whatever reason, I can’t do it. I have no idea why I’m not man enough. Todd, tell us a little bit about your past history with ice.
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So, not ice. I was… I was with the Border Patrol, and that would have been INS back pre-9-11, which John was INS. And then after DHS was formed, they created two buckets for Immigration and Customs, which was ICE and then CBP. So I was Border Patrol, and Border Patrol got put under CBP. And I did that from 1997 until 2021.
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OK, Todd, I want to ask you a quick question here. What do you do with the fact that Democrats basically build up these problems until they’re too big to fix? I mean, here’s the basic strategy. Flood as many people in illegally and they’re just absolutely breaking the law. Do not care. Millions, millions, tens of millions. And then say to remove them would be too painful. It would look too ugly. We can’t. We’re going to be tearing apart families. And what do you do with that strategy, Todd? Because I got to be honest, in the public eye, it works.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’re Americans. We can fix anything. OK, we can do we we can do this. And as far as the tearing apart family thing, I mean, John will tell you. We’ve always been about family unity. If they have kids that are born here as U.S. citizens, they can take them with them. Those kids aren’t deported. They’re just going back to their native country of their parents. They’re still U.S. citizens. They can come back when they’re 18.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. John, I want to ask you something because, first of all, just so you know, I believe that all the little girls who went and saw Wicked this weekend and got those little Wicked action figure dolls of the two girls, I want them all to turn those in and get Tom Homan dolls.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. A Tom Holman action figure would be pretty cool.
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Tom Holman action figures. Now, I know that the little girls are going to be crying all the way home, and they’re not going to like it. Folks, you’ve got to do it for your family. You have to do what’s right. I think Tom Holman is awesome. By the way, what position are you allegedly up for?
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Well, Fox News is reporting that I’m up for the ICE director position. Let’s just say that I’m honored to be in any talks that they’re having up there. And I look forward to serving this administration and in whatever way they see fit for me.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, well, that in mind today, just so you know, whenever we talk about what we’re going to do or what we can do, I want you to understand it’s all hypothetical. Yes. Because you can’t speak out of turn. No. Because that is all Tom Holman.
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Yeah, look, I consider myself a subject matter expert, and I can say that. I’ve testified in front of Congress. I’ve written a book on immigration. I’ve worked immigration for over 23 years. It’s been my life. I’ve written policy for ICE. So things that we’re going to talk about today definitely come from a place of knowledge, but it’s not coming from a place of the Trump administration. So I won’t be speaking on behalf of this administration. I’m just speaking on behalf of what John Fabregatori knows after serving 23 years in immigration customs enforcement.
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Okay. Well, one thing that I do like that they’re going to do at first is go after the low hanging fruit. In other words, uh, the people, the people who have come here now, I believe all of them who have come here illegally have already committed a crime. That’s right. They absolutely have. Right. Okay. But the ones who have committed more crimes, especially violent crimes, why? Because the public doesn’t mind at all if you drag them out of their house. Okay. So how are we going to do it? Where do you get the manpower? What, what is the way to first go after these violent criminals?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, you have to look at it at a national term. And ICE has always done operations. They’ve always done targeted enforcement. So when you’re looking at something operationally and you want to attack something that’s large, you carve it up first. You don’t eat an elephant all at one time. You eat it piece by piece, right? That’s the old saying. It’s the same thing with attacking this here inside the United States. So we’ll probably look at things regionally. And then you use other agents from other places inside the US to coalesce in one spot. They will be sent temporary duty. Say we do Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming and Montana all at one time. We could take agents from other sections of the United States, bring them all to Colorado for a three-, four-week temporary duty, and then we can attack the problem that we have here, look for the criminal illegal aliens that we know are inside the community, those that probation and parole have released, those that Denver Police Department has refused to let us know about when they let them out the back door of the jail, those that are on the non-detained docket that we know have committed crimes and we just have not gone to pick them up yet.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, take a step back. Why would Denver’s police department refuse to let you know that they’re letting him out? I mean, why even do that? Let’s take a step back here, folks. Do we understand they’re allowing lawbreakers to continue breaking laws? I mean, why would they do this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Because sanctuary status, which the state of Colorado is a sanctuary state. I will argue that and debate that point with anybody that wants to do that with me. The state legislature has passed multiple laws since 2013, which codifies and enforces that this state is a sanctuary state. Now, individual cities within… Colorado have said that they don’t follow sanctuary policy, but really they do because the state laws say that they have to. So when you look at Denver PD or Aurora PD, they’re not cooperating with ICE because state law 19-1124 says that they cannot let ICE know that they have an illegal alien in their custody.
SPEAKER 05 :
okay let me jump to todd here todd how does that work though they say okay uh state law supersedes what they can do in the city however what about federal law that says these are illegal aliens they must be dealt with in that way why do they ignore the federal and just go to the state well they some of these states their colorado is a great example yeah they they love the 10th amendment
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when it fits their agenda and their ideology. But outside of that, when federal law comports with their agenda and ideology, they’re all about the supremacy clause. In this case, I would argue that they are violating the U.S. Constitution because I believe the supremacy clause does play a role here. And I would go so far as to argue that those public officials, whether elected or appointed, who are obfuscating and interfering with federal immigration law, which is being in pursuant of the Constitution, are actually violating AUSC 1324. And I hope John agrees with me on this one. He’s nodding. No, I’m nodding, yes. They are knowingly harboring illegal aliens, furthering their entry. And these are a whole laundry list of… And the mayor of Denver all but stated publicly that he was willing to do all that, whether he knows he’s committing felonies by doing so. I suspect he might get a memo and walk that back a little bit. But there’s a great way to start enforcing this is start hammering elected public officials, just public officials. for violating AUSC 1324, I bet you start getting compliance then.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Well, John, really quick here. I mean, obviously, the federal law is going to supersede through the supremacy clause, but even more, just common sense, because you can’t let one state disobey immigration law and therefore become a funnel. Why? Because these people come into that one state, just name a state, California, and what do they do? They spread from that state. So you’ve turned your state into an entryway into the country.
SPEAKER 08 :
And it can’t be. I mean, the state of Colorado is a port of entry at DIA, at the airport. But where it becomes murky and kind of gray is the use of resources. So that’s what the state argues, that when a federal government comes in and they demand that the state use their state resources to help with immigration law, then they push back. But When you have states like Colorado and California, they push back even more. And I believe that Todd’s 100 percent right that they’re in violation of 1324. And they’re playing this kind of shadow game by saying it’s all state resources. But the federal government can come into Colorado today and enforce immigration law. And there’s nothing that the mayor can do. There’s nothing that the governor or multiple mayors can do. There’s nothing that the governor can do because at the end of the day, immigration is a federal law.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, back to Todd. Todd, I want you to answer this. Make it easy because there’s a lot of people out there right now listening saying, yeah, okay, it’s great to know all these laws. Thank you, guys. How are you going to do it? OK, so, Todd, right now, let’s say that we have somebody we know, say a group of Trend de Agua members, right? They’re committing crimes. They are a threat to the community. You know about them. You can you can find them. What do you do? How do you go get them? With what manpower do you use yours? Do you use ice? Do you use who? You know, if if the state won’t say you can use any of their cops, what do you do there? What do you do?
SPEAKER 03 :
I think you can start pulling back a lot of the federal funding along the border for a long, long time. I do believe it’s still in effect right now. It’s this thing called Operation Stone Garden, where DHS gave state and local agencies, whether it was county, city, state police, and border regions and border states, a whack ton of money for overtime, for staffing, and to buy equipment, provided that they deployed those officers in support of border operations. Now, they weren’t given federal authorities. We didn’t give them 287G unless, of course, they asked for it. But they would put extra units out on patrol in those areas where we asked them to be. Sometimes they were cooperative, other times not so much. But it was a lot of money for those agencies. And you start drying up Uncle Sam’s coin purse for them. I think a lot of these departments and –
SPEAKER 05 :
constituencies start to take a different uh attack on this okay well until you get the cops though and i’ll throw it back to john here what do you go in with john with your own agents i mean what do you do to go get say these gang members that you know are in this apartment complex you know these are the doors to go in his here’s where they are what do you do
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, this is what ICE does every day. I mean, we arrest criminal aliens every single day. We have a detention center here in Aurora, Colorado, a 1400-bed detention center. I mean, we have ICE agents out on the street every single day arresting criminal aliens, arresting gang members, arresting drug traffickers, arresting sex traffickers. This is what they do. You just need to broaden that a little bit and bring in some other resources that you have nationwide. You don’t need a thousand officers rolling in here. You need a bump up from what we currently have in the state of Colorado, especially if we’re going to be a little bit more vigorous on what we’re going out and doing. But we don’t need to roll a thousand troops here. We can do it with what we have. And extra to make sure that we can go 24-7 throughout the week to make sure that we are clearing out these criminal islands as fast as we can.
SPEAKER 05 :
But how dangerous is it? These are criminals. These are armed people. Do you have the body armor, the helmets, the whole thing?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, everything. We roll out with full kit, so full body armor, multiple firearms. Our agents are highly trained. They go to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. They are trained on tactics. And that’s why, look, it’s very important. Sanctuary cities make United States citizens less safe. And one of the reasons is because they’re not releasing these criminal aliens to ICE from the jail. If they release them to us from the jail, we would not have to go in wearing body armor and carrying weapons and going into the community and possibly getting into a firefight.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, then why aren’t sanctuary cities? I mean, why aren’t some of these leaders being brought up on charges because they’re endangering your life? Look, you should be able to do the easy way and go get these people unarmed out of prison and take them out. But you’re having to go, let’s face it, kick in doors or whatever. I mean, you’re having to endanger your lives. And here’s the thing. America right now is not behind them. America’s behind you. America wants you to succeed. America likes you better than 60% of Americans. That includes all Americans want mass deportations. I know you don’t like the mass part. But they do. Okay, they’re behind you. Why should you have to endanger your life? Now, there are going to be times when you do because they haven’t been brought in yet. I get that. But I’m talking the ones who have. They’re in prison.
SPEAKER 08 :
No, look, we could lower those numbers and we could have a much more efficient process if the state actually worked with us and we actually were able to go to the jails, to the counties, and be able to pick up these criminal illegal aliens from the county jails and from the state jails and then put them into ICE custody and remove them from there. But having to go out into the community endangers the community. Absolutely it does. And, you know, it takes more resources to do that. So, you know, at the… Back a few years ago, I’d send two agents to a jail to pick up a van load of criminal aliens. Now when I send guys – well, when I was working and we sent guys out onto the street, it would be six, seven, eight agents sometimes to go to one house because you’ve got to cover the rear exit. You’ve got to cover the front. You’ve got to have overwatch over that group.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, and you need superior force. You’ve got to be safe. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, absolutely. So, you know, this is where it takes multiple resources. And that’s why right now the numbers are a little bit down with how much ICE is arresting because we’re having to send out teams of six to eight to arrest one person. When we could go to a jail and two agents could bring back 12 guys.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and Todd, I’m going to give a question here, but hang on until after the break, okay? But I want to kind of prime you with this. Manpower. Where are we going to get the manpower for all this? Because we need a lot more manpower. I want you to think about that. How can people volunteer? Obviously, they can’t volunteer as somebody kicking in doors. But I mean support, right, in ways that they can support the effort. And, you know, what about immigration court judges? We need more judges to process these people far faster. When we come back, Todd, I want you to tell us where are we going to get the people or where could we get the people for this effort? Sound good? Sure. All right. Up next is American National Insurance. Paul Leuenberger would love to help with all your insurance needs. And if John recommends him, you know he’s the best. Call Paul at 303-662-0789.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, Andy Pate filling in for John Rush, along with possible ice director, John Fabricatore. On the line, we have definite El Paso malcontent. That is Todd Watkins. How you doing, Todd?
SPEAKER 14 :
i’m doing great okay hey really quick todd before we go to you uh tanner had something to say that he was saying a break it’s really good go yeah i think for these people that live in sanctuary state sanctuary cities whether it’s california or here in colorado they’ve brought all these people in on your taxpayer dollars everyone’s dollar at this point and they’re putting them in these hotels giving them a citizenship giving them a chance to vote money credit cards social security And then we’re going to try to get them all out of here because, I mean, they’ve even taken over people’s homes, apartment buildings, put them in nice hotels you’ve seen in New York City. New York City can’t even house immigrants anymore. They’ve lost so much money over this. And then because they’ve let them all in and let them bring in these illegal weapons or somehow given them these weapons, it’s going to cost way more money on our taxpayer dollar as well as resources just to get these people out, and it’s going to endanger people just trying to get them out, let alone they’re already here and have caused crimes across the country, whether that’s just illegally coming in, murder like we saw at the lake in Riley, the crime’s gone up significantly, people getting kicked out of their homes. I mean, it’s become terrible.
SPEAKER 05 :
And if I may say one quick thing here, and then we’ll go to Todd. One thing that really angers me is these leftist advocates who say there are Americans who are criminal, too. Americans kill people, too. Americans steal, too. Americans do. Hey, folks, I got news for you. We already pay our taxes for cops to stop and deal with those things. Every time an illegal immigrant kills someone, that is an added homicide. Every time they steal something, that is an added homicide. We’re talking about added problems in your community. Every single one is an added one that didn’t have to be here and Lake and Riley should be alive right now. That was added, okay? And when I look at Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, In my view, just my, not talking legally, just my personal opinion, your accessories to murder. Okay? Because you allowed these people in. In fact, you begged them to come in, and you brought them in by the millions. Okay? And you can say, well, only a few of them are killers. Yeah, but that’s the problem. Okay? When you’re looking for the needle in the haystack, the problem is the haystack. It’s too big. So when you bring in all these millions, guess what? Through the border, we can’t screen them to find the needle. We can’t find the dangerous one because of all the non-dangerous ones you brought in. You endangered their lives. And Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, Lake and Riley, and there are a lot of Lake and Riley. She’s not the only one. They’re dead right now because of you. And you did that. Real quick, go ahead.
SPEAKER 14 :
Democrats, this just goes to show how much your party has changed over the last decade. Obama was the deporter-in-chief to everyone in Mexico, Central, South America. Now they’ve let in over 20 million people. If you can’t see the difference in that and how far they’ve changed, you’re just asleep.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s a full invasion. Okay, Todd, getting back to you, let’s talk about manpower. Where are you going to find it? Because once again, the Democrats have, on purpose, it’s like… My gosh, it’s like the national debt. They build up a problem too big and then say, well, there’s nothing we can do about it. They have done this. They’ve built up such a mass of people. They then look at you and say, nothing can be done about it. Where do we get the manpower?
SPEAKER 03 :
So since the aside that you had there, I want to bring something up for everybody, the audience, to consider and kind of preface all of this conversation around this fact. Immigration proceedings… are civil administrative. They are not criminal removal. Deportation is not a sentence. It’s not a penalty. It’s not a punishment. It is a remedy for a civil administrative problem. So just kind of keep that and bear that in mind that none of what we’re saying that we’re going to do here is a criminal penalty. They’re not being punished with deportation. They’re here illegally. The remedy for that is to send them back where they came from. So Going forward now, I need to ask John a quick question because he was in touch more recently than I have been. What is Border Patrol’s manpower right now? Is it still around 19?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, it’s severely low. So even replacing the number that the last bill, the Senate bill, would have wanted to replace would not have even backfilled what they’re missing.
SPEAKER 03 :
So the last… baseline number that we were required to have was 21,370. I know we’re beneath that. I will say this to the manpower. If we turn off the flow at the border, you will avail yourself of some manpower in short stints. So… What do you mean by that? So… Remain in Mexico, the migrant protection. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
But I mean, you will avail yourself of manpower in short stints. What do you mean?
SPEAKER 03 :
So right now we’re overwhelmed with the crush of humanity that’s coming through the border. It was so onerous that we actually started hiring kind of what we call border patrol processing coordinators. Instead of the 21, 22-week academy that border patrol agents go to to become full-fledged patrol agents, It’s about a seven or eight week kind of watered down. They still have some law enforcement authorities, but they’re not on patrol. They’re just handling the processing of all these bodies. If we reduce the flow at the border to where there aren’t as many bodies to process, we can start taking in temporary assignments. Border Patrol agents, we could probably peel off, I would guess off the top, maybe a couple hundred to assist with some of these, you know, Interior deportation. Yeah. Yeah. In targeted areas. And like John is saying, you just don’t do a blanket 50 states. You kind of you rack and stack this. You go to where you’ll. make the most impact, the most effective operation.
SPEAKER 05 :
But you’re still going to need more people, Todd. Look, don’t you think there’s going to be a pretty strong recruiting effort here? And don’t you think there are actually quite a few Americans who are going to want to step up?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, there’s a strong recruiting effort, but you have to remember it’s not a two-week school. So Todd’s even saying 21 weeks for a Border Patrol agent, but even after that 21 weeks, they’ve got on-the-job training. What is it, for another 20 weeks, Todd? You know, for the Border Patrol, it’s a long process.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, but that means by the, well, that means before the end of year one of Trump being in office, you could already have a new influx of agents to help with this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. So if we started hiring on January 20th, if we opened up FLETC, we opened up the Border Patrol Academies, sent some detailed agents to there to run some classes, we could probably up those numbers fairly quickly. The other problem is the background. So right now they’re doing the full lie detector test, the full background. It takes about six to eight weeks, if not longer, for them to even set up a background check on somebody that applies for the job. And then we’re losing about 70% of the people on the lie detector test. Really? Yeah. And part of that reason is the marijuana question. So, you know, marijuana is still a federal crime. To be an employee in the federal government, you can’t have used marijuana, especially a law enforcement officer, within a certain amount of time. So that pretty much knocks out every single college student that we have that tries to apply. You know, the only ones that we can kind of get are the people that are coming right out of the military that hopefully have not used marijuana the day that they stepped out of the military. It’s just it’s just it’s become legal in so many states and so many people. So many young kids might not even be thinking about it. You know, they may be thinking, I want to join the Border Patrol. You know, they’re going through college to get great grades. They’re a great person. But, you know, they smoked the last party that they went to.
SPEAKER 05 :
And there’s no way to relax that requirement and simply to say, OK, look. You know, there could be going forward. You can’t. Here’s why. Or if you do, here’s I don’t look, I don’t personally care about weed. It’s just I’ve never done it. I just don’t. I’m a boring person.
SPEAKER 08 :
OK, you can say you can’t do it anymore. You did it in high school. You had that last party. You’re now a federal agent. We’re going to drug test you. I was randomly drug tested at least a dozen times in my career. But you can’t do it anymore. But right now, we’re just losing so many good candidates to something that’s now legal in, what, 30-something states?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, look, bottom line is we need a lot of manpower. We need to move there right now. Let me ask you one more question, and I’m going to throw this to Todd. Todd, before we go to break, what about the simple needs of the nation? And what I mean is this. We have to look at our law enforcement needs as a nation. We’ve got the military, right? We’ve got our needs around the world. We have our needs in the cities with crime. We have our needs with the FBI, which I think needs a house cleaning. We have our needs in a lot of places. Well, in my opinion, our biggest need, thanks to the efforts of the Democrats, especially over the last four years, our biggest need is removing illegal immigrants from our country. I think it’s the biggest number one thing. We have just had a full invasion of our country, okay? A full invasion of our country. What need could be greater? And so when I look at the number of people that we have in the military, I think it’s great, and I know they’re already hurting because the recruiting is down, but don’t we need people more for this effort than we need elsewhere?
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, there’s an easy way to bring back some people. We can put out that we would accept back rehired annuitants, which is people who have retired, allow them to keep their retirement, don’t end their retirement, but allow them to come back on a two-year contract to automatically come back and help ICE.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, well, that’s great. But what about the idea of, let’s say there’s somebody in the military who says, look, I’d like to be on this effort right now. Could we look at them and say, are there people in the military, if they want to do a stint for one to two years of this, that we could shift them right over and get them into action with training, of course. Because I’m sorry, but our country just got invaded, Todd. This is where the manpower is needed much more than it’s needed right now guarding some barracks over in Germany. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s probably a pathway to do that. There needs to be. Certainly the administration can create any sort of construct like that. you’d like to get them in career positions. So, I mean, these are good people. Coincidentally, my son is coming up on his enlistment. He’s got a bunch of his friends that are going to have a recruitment.
SPEAKER 05 :
He hasn’t been at one of those parties, has he? I mean, that’s really a problem. Yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
Go ahead. I mean, you could also, if somebody’s got a clearance, I don’t think it’s a bad thing to say you could probably waive that poly. if they’ve got a high-level clearance. And the military, most of those people have clearances. I don’t know anybody who doesn’t have a clearance in the military anymore. My God, you have a chili cook-off and it’s on the sipper net. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I just think we need to shift some personnel, Todd, if we can. Because that’s where the need is. We just had a full invasion of our country. I’m sorry, that’s more important than anything.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, I mean, what I was saying, if you can, something as simple as another migrant protection protocol policy, which I have to think is, you know, one of the first things he’s going to do, of the thousand first things that he’s going to do. If you staunch the flow at the border, you will be able to use some of those Border Patrol agents from, you just pluck a couple dozen here from throughout the northern and southern borders. And you can plus up the interior, the enforcement agents, the ERO guys inside some of these cities and start targeting some of these hardcore sanctuary places like Denver, like San Francisco, like Chicago, and just kind of do it. Be smart about it. You don’t need a million people to do it. You just need the right number to do it here and then do it there and then do it in the next place. Also, cancel parole. Trump and I believe Kristi Noem, if confirmed, she could, with the stroke of a pen, cancel the parole of about 9 million people.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, I think she will, Todd. Hey, tell you what, can you hang on through the break? Okay, when we come back, I want both of you to answer this question, and I’ll throw it to John first when we come back. What if we stop the free stuff? What are things that we can do to make it a lot easier? Because let’s face it, the reason they want to stay is everything they’re getting to be here, all right? But let’s first take a quick break. Up next is Cub Creek Heating and Air. Hey, when you need help with your heater, beware of coupons with crazy offers. All right? Those are just hooks. They get in your house, and then they discover all kinds of extra work you need. Cub Creek, they got great prices, and they don’t upsell you to death. Doug and Hunter are honest. They just provide what you need. So give them a call at 303-656-5467.
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SPEAKER 05 :
And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Hey, Tanner, you were saying something during the break.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, Denverites and Coloradans, the state, just what they’ve reported, has given over $160 million to these immigrants to help them, give them money, food, whatever it may be. And over $75 million just in the city of Denver. And who knows if those numbers are true. But, hey, guys, I mean, it happened right under our noses.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s just Colorado, so I don’t want to hear anybody whining about not enough money. And, John, really quick, I’ve got a question for you. You heard at the beginning of this hour people screaming and screaming and having to have therapy sessions in Washington because their guy didn’t win. Okay, that’s what they have running our State Department. Why do we have to have these ridiculous background checks that go that far to have somebody defend our country?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I mean, look, I think background checks are good because we need to keep out – know certain people for sure out of the government but we’ve lost our way in the government and to your point we were talking about doge earlier uh you know hopefully you know doge is going to be able to go in and they’re going to be able to ferret out some of these agencies who have just lost their way they’re not doing the job they’re not keeping america safe they’re not about securing america and national security and any employee like this who’s crying because we have a new president you need to be fired You need to be fired. Done. Out the door.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Okay, going to Todd. Todd, really quick here. We’ve got just a couple minutes. Free stuff. How can we stop the free stuff? What are some things that are keeping people here that if we just stop the free stuff, it’s going to make it a lot easier for ICE?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, yeah, it would. It absolutely would. When the economy had that downturn, what 10-ish whatever years ago, we actually saw them headed south because they couldn’t get work. But once you start taking away that incentive, the cushion, they’ll leave on their own. Cancel parole and stop giving out the free stuff. Now, it’s easy for the administration to not allow federal money to be used like that, but like what Tanner was saying, How much of that, however, $160 million, how much of that was federal money? How much of that was actual state money?
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, and what about this, Todd? What about sanctuary states and cities? What about the feds saying no more money for you guys? Absolutely. So not just pulling back the stuff we’re giving to illegal immigrants, but stuff we’re giving to states that accommodate them.
SPEAKER 03 :
And we talked about Supremacy Clause and 10th Amendment earlier. Now that we have a Congress that would seemingly support this sort of immigration enforcement, why not legislation that prohibits sanctuary policies and statutes?
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. And I’m going to go to John Fabricatore here again, once again. By the way, thanks for joining us today. I love it. Okay, I’m going to give you one minute here. John, give people hope that this is actually going to work, that Donald Trump can get at least a good amount of this done and churn the tide.
SPEAKER 08 :
It’s absolutely going to work. Look, Donald Trump from the get-go in his first administration had an idea to go in and force the Immigration Nationality Act. The left sued him over 700 times. I mean, it was just incredible. But you know what? That was kind of a practice run for President Trump. He knows what he’s doing this time, and he’s not going to allow that kind of crap to happen. So he’s going to come out the gate ready to go on day one, and we’re going to see an enforcement of the Immigration Nationality Act. We’re going to see legal immigration brought back because we’re all for legal immigration against illegal immigration.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, really quick, doesn’t this amount of illegal immigration slow down legal immigration? Absolutely it does. Because it overwhelms the system.
SPEAKER 08 :
Every single legal immigrant, and they are mad right now because it slows down the system. It makes it years more for them to finally see a judge.
SPEAKER 05 :
Because people are cutting the line.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, absolutely. So we need to get our hands around this. Donald Trump’s going to do it. Tom Holman’s the right person to be in that seat. And we’re going to see some change.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, one last question. 15 seconds. What about the PR? You’re going to have Democrats every time you remove somebody doing a sob story. Can Americans stomach at least taking out the first wave?
SPEAKER 08 :
Let John Fabricatore on TV and we’ll end that PR nightmare overnight.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sounds good. How about you, Todd Watkins?
SPEAKER 03 :
Can you do it? Of course we can do it. The Border Patrol can do any job that you give us. That’s just our culture. That’s the way that we were brought up.
SPEAKER 05 :
You guys are fantastic. Okay, that’s Todd Watkins, John Fabricatore. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us today. I feel hope. We’re going to clean up America. And folks, that’s it for our number one. In our number two, we’re going to be talking more politics with Tanner and some football with Richard Rush. and maybe some emotional support animals if we need them. Until then, keep it right here on Rush to Reason, KLZ 560.
