In this week’s episode of Rush to Reason, John Rush, along with Andy Pate, delves into the much-anticipated review of ‘The Devil Wears Prada 2’ and explores the broader implications on the film industry and media landscapes. With a blend of humor and critical analysis, they discuss the sequel’s shortcomings and how it failed to capture the magic of its predecessor. Join the conversation as they assess the film’s narrative, the impact of star-studded casts, and the changing dynamics of media consumption in today’s world.
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It’s finally Friday on Rush to Reason with your host, John Rush. So I tell him I’m a pro jack, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama himself. So we finish 18, and he’s gonna sniff me. And I say, hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know? And he says, oh, uh, it won’t be any money. But when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness. So I got that going. And movie reviews with Andy Payne.
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I think you got the wrong impression about me. I think in all fairness, I should explain to you exactly what it is that I do.
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What I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.
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What do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. Stick a fork in me, Jerry. I’m done. Now, here is your host of Rush to Reason, John Rush.
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And welcome, Friday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, and Luke Cashman is our engineer today. Charlie will be with us here shortly. How’s Andy today?
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Andy is doing well again, sir. How are you?
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Beautiful day outside. Doing great.
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Oh, it’s gorgeous.
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We’ll take it.
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But my lawn loved the last few days. It was glorious.
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And we may be getting some this next week. We’ll keep our eye on that, and you guys will all be looking at that as well. But at any rate. Here’s hoping. Yeah, and we’ve got a lot in store for you today. We’ve got two movies. So what have we got movie-wise today, Andy?
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Okay, the first one is The Devil Wears Prada 2. That is the sequel to the hit that came out.
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Which was around a long time ago.
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20 years. 20 years, okay. And then we’ve got a shark movie, John.
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Oh, boy.
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Deepwater.
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Oh, don’t, don’t, don’t.
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Don’t, don’t, don’t. Yeah. Deepwater. Yeah, Deepwater.
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Is this the one with the airplane crash?
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It is.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, yeah. That one looks freaky.
SPEAKER 05 :
It does.
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I was watching the previews of that one. At first, I’m like, ooh, that doesn’t look too bad. Then the further it went in, I’m like, ooh, I don’t know if I could do that one.
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John, well, I know you hate horror movies. You hate that kind of thing. How are you with shark movies?
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Not bad.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sharks freak me out. They really do. They freak me out.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, that whole movie, you know, you’re flying over the ocean, then it crashes. That’s sort of like, I think, everybody’s worst nightmare.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, that you will crash.
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The thing they dread.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, it’s one thing to crash. It’s another thing to crash in shark-infested waters.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right, in the ocean, yes.
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That is, yeah, my worst fear. So anyway, we get to experience that together.
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All right, hour number two, what are we doing?
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Okay, we are going to be doing, because of the Devil Wears Prada 2, we’re going to be doing best sequels.
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Okay, best sequels. Now, here’s the other tip today. Richard is on vacation, so it’ll just be Andy and I. So as many of you that would want to call in during hour number two, you’re more than welcome to do so because Richard will not be with us today.
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We are going to need some help. And here’s the thing. Without Richard, we’re losing the youth, the strength of youth. It’s just two old guys. We need callers to bear us up.
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That’s exactly right.
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That’s right.
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Back to Rush to Reason.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Deadverse Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate and John. Are you ready for a movie?
SPEAKER 14 :
First one of these was good.
SPEAKER 05 :
The Devil Wears Prada?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, great movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
It was really quick here. It was a lot of fun, wasn’t it? Yeah. A very cutting kind of satire.
SPEAKER 14 :
It was a good movie.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Okay, well, a popular chick flick, and it is a chick flick, let’s be honest. It gets a sequel in The Devil Wears Prada 2.
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So I used to have your job. Got to go to Paris Fashion Week. Or a bunch of pieces from the Chanel collection that year. You still have all of it? No, I gave it away. What? Would have been a bit much for a newsroom.
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This is you.
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Oh!
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Who gives away Chanel? You are here to help us through our current scandal. But I did not hire you, and all I need to do is bide my time until you fail. Won’t you take the train, dear?
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Be on time. Just wait. I’m coming.
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I’m going to make something of this job. You can write a book. The definitive Miranda Priestly expose. May the bridges I burn light my way. Wait, wait. Hope that’s not what you’re wearing to the dinner. That’s all.
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fendi we need that the brunello cucinelli pants love those and you definitely need an embroidered two-piece totem set but not the terracotta because you’re so pale oh my god just hide a feeling for once please
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I just love my job.
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All right, John, how’s that sound to you? That’s not bad. OK, here we go. Anne Hathaway, she returns as Andy Sachs, the beleaguered assistant who has over the past two decades since the first movie become an award winning journalist. Unfortunately, like much of the media landscape, she is shockingly tossed aside in a wave of cutbacks. So now Andy needs a job. And guess who needs a job, Phil? That’s right. It’s Runway Magazine, where Andy endured hell under Miranda Priestley, played by Meryl Streep. And it turns out the features section was run by someone who made a big mistake and had to be canned. So now Andy is back in Miranda’s orbit. But this isn’t just a return to fashion mean girls. Andy is dealing with the new market for media, which is driven by clicks, not quality. That’s rough for any journalist. The old gang is back. Emily Blunt, she returns as Emily, who has moved on to become a bigwig at Dior, a client whom Runway Magazine must keep. Yes, Emily still hates Andy because they hated each other in the first movie. Stanley Tucci. This guy, I’m just going to be honest, John, he seems incapable of putting in a bad performance.
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Mm-hmm.
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I always like Stanley Tucci, don’t you? He’s always good. Well, he returns as Nigel Kipling. He’s gay, of course. And this is the fashion world. And he’s blunt and he’s devious. I like him. But the overall story deals with takeovers and a crumbling industry. Fashion magazines. Can runway survive a scandal? Can Andy and Miranda coexist? Can Andy write a book about Miranda behind the scenes? You heard that in the preview. And can fashion matter again? That’s the story. of Devil Wears Prada 2. What do you think?
SPEAKER 14 :
Sounds exciting, yeah.
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Okay. What works in the Devil Wears Prada 2? Well, the final quarter of the film shows heart and resolution. They tie up a lot of loose ends. They do a good job. Stanley Tucci. is very good. And I thought the most interesting part of the film was actually Miranda dealing with leverage. And what I mean is this, in the first movie, she had all the leverage and she knew how to use it. She was a master at moving pieces on the chessboard and working with leverage. In this movie, Miranda experiences what it’s like to have no leverage, to have it taken away and to completely change her approach to the situation. What’s interesting there, John, is that a lot of people will look at her and say, well, why is she letting this person get away with this? That person get away with it. And these questions are coming from younger people. And the answer is to a lot of younger people, this is what happens when you have to keep the place running. You’ve got to keep the lights on. You’ve got to do whatever it takes to get the customers in. You’ve got to do what it takes for the business. And I thought in that way, this was a good lesson for young people in business.
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Okay.
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Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. What else works in Devil Wears Prada 2? Oh, no.
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Nada.
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That’s it. I’m telling you, that’s it. And I was stretching to get those. Here we go. What doesn’t work in Devil Wears Prada 2? Well, one of the worst, most boring scripts I’ve seen in years. Wow. Virtually no humor. A pure cash grab targeting gullible fangirls. It was awful. By the way, Corey went with me to this, and I’ll give you her take here in a moment. I never even smiled at a joke, and my wife was bored out of her mind. The storyline, and she loved the first movie, by the way, the storyline was under an hour of story in two hours of movie. People walking everywhere looking serious, driving everywhere looking serious, on a boat looking serious, and all wearing sunglasses. Sunglasses supposedly fix everything, John. I couldn’t get a read on Miranda. At one moment, she’s the same bitchy boss, but at another, she’s personable and vulnerable. Not Streep’s fault, by the way. There’s no script. There’s no wit. There’s no bite. It was just, wow. This script was toothless. It was absolutely toothless. People were just meandering around the set.
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Awful.
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Just awful. Emily Blunt, I have to say it, she is no longer my favorite modern actress. I’ve had it. Not after this nightmare, plus dogs like The Smashing Machine, Pain Hustlers, If, The Fall Guy. The last couple years, she has done me wrong, John. Emily Blunt was my fave. And Emily Blunt is going to have to do something soon because I think she’s been awful. In Devil Wears Prada 2, she feels like she’s forcing every line with an exaggerated accent. Yikes! She’s just forcing it, forcing everything. I hated it. By the way, speaking of force, they have a very forced celebrity cameo in this movie, which doesn’t go over at all. It’s just terrible. Let’s see. They should have done a better job delving in to the core issue of the movie. The media is dying. They could have done more with that. And I don’t mean take right-wing stabs at the media. I’m not talking about that.
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No, just the reality of how things are.
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Yeah, I’m talking about the business of the media. Consumers just aren’t spending as much money on media elites telling them how to think anymore. And that’s true in fashion as well. Magazines are going under, John. Anyone can be an expert online. AI is everywhere. How do you really adapt? And that would have been much more fascinating, and they could have done it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, because the influencers have now taken over all of that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s not the magazines, it’s the influencers.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, and I’m telling you what, the road was wide open, gaping hole for them to run through and make that point. And they could have done a lot with it, they did. Let’s see here, there’s a romance thrown in trying to give this film a pulse. oh, it’s this totally predictable formulaic thing, and you’re just kind of like, no, no, not working. To be honest, I’ll be totally honest, I had to step outside a couple times to take a break.
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Was that bad?
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I couldn’t take it. Wow. Watching adults trying to control their kids in the lobby was way more fun than this. Wow. Afterward, I asked Corey if it was one star or a half star. She said she would really have to think about it between those two.
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Is that bad?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow.
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It’s just boring. And it’s star-studded. Totally star-studded. You’ve got all these stars trying to do these roles, and I thought a couple of them looked pretty disinterested.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is that part of the problem? There’s too many good actors and actresses?
SPEAKER 05 :
Maybe, because let’s face it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Everybody’s trying to outdo everybody else, or what?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, Emily Blunt is a side character in this. And let’s face facts. She has become a megastar since the first movie.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
She’s too big for this role anymore. And she looks bored and disinterested.
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And probably is.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. And just forcing it, forcing it, forcing it. And it’s just, oh, my gosh, terrible. Stanley Tucci, you know, he does Yeoman’s work because he always does. Right. And this was really interesting that my wife told me this. This is a movie that’s chick flick all the way, right? And my wife said to me, the only two characters she liked in the movie were the two guys.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, wow.
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Stanley Tucci’s character and the guy. who is part of the little bit of a romance that’s in there. Even though the romance is awful, she hated the main character. Really, she couldn’t stand Anne Cathway. She said she had become bitchy and annoying, too. She couldn’t stand her. Meryl Streep, she was doing what she could with the role, but there wasn’t anything to do. But she just, Corey hated this. And she’s the target audience. That’s why I’m mentioning Corey, okay?
SPEAKER 14 :
So it’s almost like they all just kind of sent in their role?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, this was a cash grab. This was the classic, and Luke and I have talked about this before, cash grabs, right? This was a classic cash grab. There was no need, no reason for this movie. And here’s the thing, John, they were on the cusp. They could have gone into talking about media going down, but how it can reinvent itself and do wonderful new things in the new world of media, right? And expand and address it in that way. And they could have offered some hope and been inventive. Instead… They basically have a bailout. I mean, this is, it’s awful. It is awful. Okay. Rotten tomatoes for whatever reason. And I think it’s simply proof that there is evil in the universe. They gave this 79%. Are you kidding me? No, no. One star. I’m being generous. Now for me, it was zero.
SPEAKER 14 :
One is being generous.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I’m seeing for the general audiences, and I do believe like for the target, target, target, you know, fangirl audience, maybe two, two and a half.
SPEAKER 14 :
Still not good for them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and for Corey, who was in that audience, she was actually angry about it, so half star for her. But, you know, I’m just going to average it out to one. No way. Political, three. Moral, religious, three. Didn’t say anything. That’s fine. Do I recommend going to The Devil Wears Prada 2? No, I do not. It just meanders around. If you want to see a bunch of people acting pretentious, For two hours without… Look, I’ve seen movies where everybody acts pretentious and it goes great. Why? Because you have a witty script. You have a bunch of… And they did in the first one. Exactly. The first one.
SPEAKER 14 :
They had a witty script in the first one.
SPEAKER 05 :
They did. Another one like this would be Sabrina with Harrison Ford. Full of funny lines throughout. Greg Kinnear clipping off these great lines. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you had funny moments and well-written lines. That’s what makes the pretentiousness work. But when you take away all the funny lines, what do you got?
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Nothing.
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People you don’t like walking around a lot.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Anyway, Devil Wears Prada 2, no, folks, I do not recommend this movie. If you have to go, I don’t know, bring a phone, there you go. Wow. Yeah.
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The best export we have is common sense. You’re listening to Rush to Reason.
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And welcome back to Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560, John Rush, together with Andy Pate and John! Are you ready for another movie?
SPEAKER 14 :
Um, this one crashes and burns, kind of like the last movie, though.
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Yeah, I know.
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Well, this is, I mean, sharks.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Sharks are tough, man. Sharks are tough. By the way, you never did see Crawl, did you?
SPEAKER 14 :
I did not. With the gators? I should have.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dude. I mean, if you’re up for a monster movie, you’ve got to see Crawl. Just saying. Okay. A plane crash leads to watery terror in deep water. Sorry.
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Looked like you wanted to take a swing at me over that flapjack. Isn’t that how you got bounced out of the Air Force? I’d seen your officer had it coming. You, you’re just, you’re annoying.
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Mayday, mayday, mayday. Tail down, 100 feet.
SPEAKER 07 :
Sir, you can’t do that!
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You worried about this? Brace for impact.
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What do we do?
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We find survivors.
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Cora, come on! Where’s my little brother? Okay, it’s gonna be all right.
SPEAKER 07 :
You know it’s not true!
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The way I see it, we have one job to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hold on, John. Hold on. I could just see you out there beating up sharks. You’d be all in.
SPEAKER 14 :
All righty then.
SPEAKER 05 :
Jumping out in that water, wouldn’t you?
SPEAKER 14 :
Sure, why not?
SPEAKER 05 :
Heck yeah. Okay, here we go. Aaron Eckhart. By the way, I like him.
SPEAKER 14 :
I like him too, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And I love Ben Kingsley.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
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So right there, that’s a good start, right? They star as pilots on a doomed ship. Kingsley is an old pilot who does lousy karaoke, by the way. Well, Eckhart is a middle-aged dad and career underachiever. Well, the crew and passengers, they’re interesting. You got a tech nerd. He has a crush on this Asian flight attendant. He’s really, he’s thinking, she’s out of my league. Next, you got some athletes. They’re a mixture of bullies and good guys. There’s a newly married couple with two kids who aren’t bonding. So each of them brought a kid to the marriage, and they’re not really hitting it off. And, of course, there’s a stereotypical rotten American passenger who breaks rules and annoys everybody. Because you’ve got to have one of those, right? The old American bull in a china shop. There we go. Anyway. This jet is flying over an ocean where due to the bad passenger putting something dangerous in a suitcase, they get a fire in the cargo hold. Not good. You know what comes next. The fire spreads, the plane comes apart, and our two pilots, well, they must crash land in the ocean. Unlike most plane crashes, John, here we actually see the debris flying around the cabin. This was interesting. Killing passengers where they sit.
SPEAKER 14 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, think about it for a moment. I’ve never really thought about this too much. If you are whipping back and forth with the wind and these overhead compartments open up,
SPEAKER 14 :
The bins.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. You got those pieces of those mini suitcases whipping around those bags.
SPEAKER 14 :
All the carry-ons.
SPEAKER 05 :
They’re deadly weapons. And I had not really thought about this until this movie. I’d never seen it before. I saw it here. And so they’re whipping around and it’s killing passengers where they sit. As I said, the side is blown out. You have more death. It is terrible. Now… Torn apart by a coral reef, the jet is strewn in sections on treacherous water. So you’ve got several sections strewn apart within about a quarter mile area. And most passengers are already dead, and a few dozen survivors soon face a worse danger below. These are shark-infested waters, and the sharks, John, are very, very hungry.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hmm.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow, are they hungry. At first, we see floating bodies suddenly disappear. Then the sharks come from everywhere. They even leap across rafts and debris to snatch prey. It’s an all-out feeding frenzy. Who will live in deep water? What do you think?
SPEAKER 14 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Well, what works in deep water? Well, first of all, you’ve got the main two guys, right? Eckhart and Kingsley, they do what they do, bringing toughness and class to living hell.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And it is a living hell. To keep things unpredictable, you don’t know who’s going to die next. Nice people taste just as good as bad people. Got it. And the sharks are a mixture of lightning-fast CGI and well-made set designs. So they mix it up. I like that. Okay. The kills are super aggressive and terrifying while tension is maintained. Now, I enjoyed a lot of the characters, John. Lots of Asian characters, since this was an Asian international flight. Very likable. And you got a couple nice little romances going on there. The crash scene was drawn out, but impressive. Very impressive. Piece by piece. One thing, then another, then another. Everything falling apart. It was a lot like watching a Final Destination movie. One of those. The best crash I ever saw was Pitch Black. That was the best crash I ever saw in a movie. This is not too far behind that. It was really well done, even though it took quite a while to happen. There was one scene with a little girl standing on a piece of the plane out in the middle of the ocean. It’s the best sight of the film. It’s eerie, just her standing there looking straight at you. It was really something. Okay, what doesn’t work in deep water? Well… You got stereotypes, predictability, and implausibility. Now let’s go through them. Outside of Eckhart, this film really didn’t like Americans, both with the jerk of a passenger and the jocks. And meanwhile, there were no bad Asians. I just think that that was a little, well, it was a lot imbalanced. Okay. Let’s see here. The setup for one guy’s death is far too obvious. I mean, having him hanging out over the edge of a raft. Are you kidding? No one’s going to be doing that with these sharks everywhere. John, if these sharks are jumping over things and grabbing anything that’s even close, would you go anywhere near the edge of anything? No! Everybody would have been pulled in, but people were getting too close out to the edges of these things. You’ve got a helicopter scene that unfortunately is almost exactly like what we saw in Deep Blue Sea. And by the way, same director. So this is the same director of Deep Blue Sea. And I’m just going to say, Deep Blue Sea, just so you know, might be my favorite shark movie ever. It’s certainly top three. It is a really good movie. If you folks want to see a terrific shark movie, you’ve got to rent Deep Blue Sea. Okay, let’s get back to Deep Water. By the way, in Deep Blue Sea, we have a smaller cast. with much more interesting characters than this. And the kills, they are all well-staged and timed. Here, the kills are either too sudden or really drawn out, slowing the movie down. Tension is built too long for a number of these kills. They take way too long to get to it. At several points, someone survives far too long in the water with the circling sharks. Now, this really annoyed me. At one moment, you’ve got sharks that will tear apart anything that comes near the water. Leap out and get it and bring it back. They’ll kill anything that comes near the water. At other points, you’ve got people swimming across 50, 60 yards to get from one way to another, and they’re just being closed in on slowly. What? It makes absolutely no sense, John. No sense whatsoever. They would have been snatched up immediately. And so you’ve got this terrible contrast between the two, and it makes it, once again, very implausible, hard to believe in. Let’s see here. Once again, stereotypes, predictability, and implausibility. This was potentially a great film. It was. But it was brought down by us going, nah. I’m not buying this. I’m not buying that, right? This is, come on, drop the stereotypes. Americans aren’t all a bunch of jerks getting on a plane while Asian people are all perfect and wonderful. Don’t be so implausible. Don’t have the sharks take forever for this kill and then go lightning fast for the others. It’s just ridiculous. You got to mix it up more. I mean, wait a minute. You’re mixing it up too much. I’m sorry. In Deep Blue Sea, the sharks were the same throughout the movie.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
In Jaws, the shark was the same throughout the movie. See what I’m saying? In 47 Meters Down, the sharks were the same throughout the movie. Don’t have them change. There you go. All right, Rotten Tomatoes, they like this movie. They gave it 80%. Okay? Wow. I’m going to go almost that good just for the action of it, John. I mean, the action of it was really good. Quality, I’m going to go three and a half stars.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Kind of a weak three and a half stars, though, because I spent too much time going, nah, no, no, that wouldn’t happen. But still, here’s the bottom line. Are most people who go into one of these movies a film critic like Andy? No. Thinking about implausibility and thinking about these things.
SPEAKER 14 :
They’re just watching.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Now, if you make it too predictable or implausible, then anybody’s going to be like, come on, you know. But most people aren’t. I don’t think it’ll bug most people as much as it would me. So I’m going to go three and a half stars. Political, two, just because of the imbalance in how they depicted the two nationalities. More religious, three. It didn’t say a thing. This, John, was a pretty good movie. Very scary, and obviously CGI sharks can move even faster than normal ones. They can be very scary. Do I recommend going to deep water? Yes, I do. I think if you want to go and have a lot of action and a good scare, and by the way, see a really good plane crash, you’re going to get your eyes full with deep water.
SPEAKER 14 :
Was the plane crash itself realistic, or do you think it was over-exaggerated or something? Because I’ve seen the preview, so that’s what I’m asking.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, you know, I’ve never been in one. But I will say this. Good answer. Well, in my experience, when I went down in a plane. Now, I thought, so one thing I really liked about it, John, is that they showed one thing affecting another thing affecting another thing affecting another thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which it’s going to do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and that was really interesting. So they lose this, they lose that, they lose something else. And then all hell breaks loose. I really like that. And they… made it take time, okay? So it wasn’t just a sudden thing that suddenly happened and everybody’s blowing out. It was piece by piece. I like that. I’ve never seen one, and I really liked seeing the debris whipping around in there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Which was just probably pretty true. Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, for instance, that cart that they move back and forth. Yeah, you know, just so you know. The beverage cart? Yeah, just so you know, that’s a deadly weapon. Oh, yeah. When you’re going out like this. It was just incredible to watch. The luggage, deadly weapons. There you go.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and people put all kinds of crap up there, too, besides even the luggage.
SPEAKER 05 :
How about if somebody has a laptop?
SPEAKER 14 :
A laptop, a cane. I’ve seen people put guitars. I’ve seen all sorts of stuff that go up in that bin.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. A laptop is basically a flying disc if this is happening. So it was really interesting. It was interesting to watch.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
Now back to Rush to Reason on KLZ 560. Okay, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s afternoon rush, KLZ 560. All right, let’s do a question of the day. We’ll get that out of the way. We’ve got other things we want to talk about here real quick before we finish out this hour. Yesterday’s impossible question, who wrote Leviathan? That would be Thomas Hobbes. And then today’s impossible question, name the town that touts itself as the birthplace of Route 66. Name the town that touts itself as the birthplace of Route 66.
SPEAKER 05 :
I have no clue. Albuquerque?
SPEAKER 14 :
I would have never guessed this one.
SPEAKER 15 :
Obviously, it’s Radiator Springs.
SPEAKER 05 :
Radiator Springs! My goodness. There you go. Come on, Andy. How did we not think of that?
SPEAKER 14 :
There you go. I’m embarrassed. So, I’ll give the answer on Monday. So, if you want to guess the answer to that, you can do that. Go to our Facebook page and you can answer there. All right. Let’s talk about mail-in voting. I did this a little bit yesterday based upon a post that Andy put out. And really quick, make sure that we… Address this on the front side. Do we, myself and Andy, like mail-in voting? No, folks. If we had our way, you’d have same-day voting. You’d actually go. You’d show an ID. Now, I am not a paper ballot only guy. I will say that right now. That is not a big deal to me because to me, you can have as much fraud… paper ballots as you can anything else hand counting doesn’t eliminate fraud either despite what a lot of people think so the reality is none of that bothers me at all because you can do everything in a machine just as easily as you can do it anywhere else and the fraud can be ripe anywhere anytime anyplace no matter what system you use and if you think for one second because somebody hand counts something it’s going to be accurate I said yesterday I have swampland in Florida I’d love to talk you talk to you about because the reality is if Just because somebody’s hand counting something doesn’t mean it’s going to be accurate. And maybe because of me, Andy, being in business all of these years and just watching how some things get done and what happens with people and so on. You know, first of all, nobody’s perfect. And hand counting something does not mean it’s going to be more perfect than a machine. In fact, the machine will be more perfect. Now, I get the argument against the machine counting. Well, the data can be tampered with, and this, that, and the other. You know, yes, it can. I get that. But so can the actual paper ballot somebody else is counting. So, folks, you cannot eliminate. What you have to have across the board in any system is good checks and balances to make sure that things are being done correctly. That’s the bottom line. Now, I will say this. And Andy posted this, and I said this yesterday. If you think for one second… you’re going to eliminate mail-in voting in Colorado, you might as well move because it’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, yeah. Yeah, look, people are now used to voting at home. Now let’s take a step back for a moment and look at the market out there. Look out your window at Colorado, folks, because I know a lot of you feel like this. Oh, my gosh, it’s allowing cheating. And here’s the thing I hear all the time. We will never win again as long as we have mail-in voting. Not true.
SPEAKER 14 :
Not true.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s not true, but… When you put that up as the big boogeyman and there’s no hope until you get rid of it, you’re saying there’s no hope because the market loves it. People get to vote at home. They get to fill out their stuff at home and just mail it in. I don’t. I drop it off at the library. Me too. They get to do that rather than wait in line on one day. They can do it any day over a series of weeks when it works best for their schedule. They can do it at home, in the comfort of their own home, and then, you know, nice and warm at home, and then just drop it off here.
SPEAKER 14 :
And really quick, along the lines of what Andy is saying, and I’ve been a proponent of this, in fact, as an employer. This might surprise some of you, but I’m a proponent of this. I think Election Day should be a national holiday. I do, too. I think everybody should vote in person. That means nobody would have to go to work that day. You’d have all the freedom in the world, actually. I get it. There’ll be some core businesses that will still be there, and those employers will have to figure some things out. But bottom line, you’d have a lot of people available to vote, probably more than you even have right now if you would do so. and make it same day voting, in person, ID, and so on. But here’s the thing. That’s what I want. Yeah. Just like I would like to have Independence Day on the first Friday of every July. It’s not going to happen either. Because I want to get away from people calling it Fourth of July. I want them to get back to calling it Independence Day so they actually know what the day means. But, again, that’s me. It’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, it isn’t. John, it isn’t going to happen. And here’s the thing, folks. We have to think about the market. So you’ve got all these people, what I just described, over a series of weeks. Anytime you want, you pull the thing over in the comfort of your own home while you’re eating some nachos. You fill this thing out and you drop it off in the mail or at any kind of a drop box. Correct. Okay. You have to go from that back to standing in line in November. Let me tell you something. Any party that makes the people of Colorado do that is going to be savagely beaten at the polls.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
People will, I’m telling you what. They’ll revolt. And will they go to the polls? You better believe they will. This is the thing, folks. If you want, because why do we want this? We want this because we want to prevent fraud. Okay, think about that for a moment. We want to prevent fraud. Let me add one more thing.
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re right, but let me add something to that. Yeah, go ahead. We won it because we want to eliminate fraud, and we think it’s the only reason we’re losing in Colorado. There’s two things there, Andy. They want to eliminate fraud because they think that’s the only reason why we lose.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that and open primaries.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
They blame another boogeyman.
SPEAKER 14 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. Okay, here’s the thing. Folks, unless you can convince up to, and I think at least 60% of the voters in Colorado, that the Republican Party has been cheated out of elections. We’ve been losing elections in Colorado unfairly because of mail-in voting. Unless you get a good 60% of the voters in Colorado to agree with that statement… They will punish you if you take it away from them. You cannot take convenience away from a consumer and not have them be mad at you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Right. You’re right. You’re correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
I mean, think about that, John.
SPEAKER 14 :
That would be like going to every drive-thru restaurant and eliminating drive-thrus.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Who do you think they’re going to be mad at? Whoever came up with getting rid of the drive-thrus. Yeah. They’ll revolt.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, think about it this way. We love to go, just go to the gas station. There’s no line. You go in. You pump your gas. You’re on your way, right? Yeah. Compare that to when there are long lines. People get angry with that. Okay, compare. It is 10 times more difficult to cast a vote under the old system than the new. Going backward is going to infuriate people. And when I said you’ve got to get a good 60% of the people in this state to believe that your party has been cheated out of elections, I got news for you, folks. We can say, oh, we’ve proven it. Really? Show me the proof. We have not proven that we have been cheated out of elections by mass mishandling of mail-in voting. We have not proven that at all. We haven’t proven it. You will not get, in my opinion, 15% of Coloradoans. And I’m talking just the hard right there. You will not get 15% of Coloradoans to believe in that.
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
So how are you going to get the market to want to go along with it?
SPEAKER 14 :
You’re not, Andy. In fact, folks, I’m just being honest here. And somebody had mentioned that a lot of the drop-off boxes are at police stations and so on. Yes, they are, and that’s what I do. Mine’s actually at our local police station. It makes it really easy. But at the end of the day, folks, I’ll just say this. The more we as a party… Talk about what Andy’s talking about right now. The fraud, the this, the that, the mail-in voting and so on. The more we’re going to get hit at the polls when people go to vote.
SPEAKER 05 :
They hate that.
SPEAKER 14 :
We need to stop talking about it because here’s the reality. No one cares outside of us. Right. No one cares, folks.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, let me ask you, don’t we just come off as sore losers?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, we do.
SPEAKER 05 :
And don’t they just laugh at us?
SPEAKER 14 :
Yes, they do.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, if people are laughing at you because you come off like a sore loser, how can you sell them on your message about other things, about education, about the economy, about everything else? How can you sell them?
SPEAKER 14 :
You can’t. And by the way, we laugh at the other side when they do the exact same thing. So think about that for a minute. Stacey Abrams. She was one down south who lost and always blamed it on the fact that there was something wrong with the election, the voting, the votes, this, that, and the other. And our side, of course, made fun of her, laughed at her, and so on. What do you think they’re doing to us? Right. Guys, think about that. We make fun of, and I have on air, made fun of Stacey Abrams over and over again because she’s a complete knucklehead, but that’s beside the point. But we still make fun of her for her feelings.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hillary Clinton insisted that Trump was an illegitimate president. Okay, she said it over and over.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we made fun of her constantly.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right. She said he was illegitimate. No, he wasn’t. He beat you. Okay, he beat you.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, so the other side does the exact same thing to us. Right. Why can’t we figure that out, Andy?
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, I’m all for putting out all the evidence we can for an election being stolen or whatever. I like evidence. I like truth. Whether it comes from the left or the right, just bring the truth. That’s fine. But until you convince a majority of the market you’re dealing with that you were cheated, and that has to be changed, they’re not going to want you to take away their convenience.
SPEAKER 14 :
They will punish you. Well, I just got a text message in from a good friend as well, talking about how everybody complains about having to check yourself out, and yet once they get used to it, guess where they go? To the cell phone. So, again, it cracks me up. The same people that are complaining about one thing will actually go and use the other. And it’s like, folks, this is just the cost of doing business. If big grocery store chains can eliminate somebody standing there cashing out, and the complaint is, well, I’m doing their job for them. Who cares? Just check yourself out and go. It’s what I do. It’s faster. Yeah. I’m all about speed and convenience.
SPEAKER 05 :
John, all the toll lanes in Colorado, you just drive into them and out of them. Yeah, the booths are gone. They take a picture. Would you like to go through the booths?
SPEAKER 14 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
What if a political party came along and forced you to go through the booths and throw coins in? I would hate them. Not even get the ticket and pay with your card. No, no, no, no, no. You throw coins in like the old days.
SPEAKER 14 :
I would hate them. I would hate them.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Yeah. You see, it’s not good to be the party that makes people’s lives a lot harder. They will not like this. And by the way, if you were to come out and say, I believe in voter ID, now you’re cooking. 85% plus agree with you. Okay, now you’ve got consensus. Everybody says, yeah. And I look at the SAVE Act. That’s the main core tenet of the SAVE Act. I’m all for it. But when the SAVE Act says we’re going to take away mail-in voting.
SPEAKER 14 :
People don’t like that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, you see, and that’s the problem. We put out these acts, and I think the SAVE Act overall is a great thing. But you put a little extra in there, you go a little too far, and what do you do? You kill the sale.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right. Right. And somebody mentioned, too, that the drop-off box is while mine’s at a police station, this person’s happens to be at a sheriff’s office, and this person wanted me to make sure to note that there’s a difference between the two. Guys, and I love you. But you’re splitting hairs to the average person. And I get where there’s a difference between the sheriff’s department and the police station. But again, this is what Andy and I are talking about. No one else cares, nor does anyone else know the difference. I can tell them on air the difference is we elect sheriffs. We don’t elect the police department because that’s done by the city, the mayor and all of that. At the end of the day, though, here’s the reality. No one cares. That’s the thing that I’m talking about right now. Quit splitting hairs because no one cares. There’s a rhyme there. Quit splitting hairs because no one cares.
SPEAKER 05 :
We have to stop being the party that fixates on things that the market doesn’t care about.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, no one else cares about. And I love you for saying that. I get where you’re coming from with the ballot drop-off and so on. But here’s the reality. Outside of you and me, no one cares. Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, John, I’ve always brought it up before, and I’ll finish with this. The time that the Packers were robbed.
SPEAKER 14 :
Right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right? No one cares, Andy. By the fail Mary in Seattle.
SPEAKER 14 :
Only you as a Green Bay fan care.
SPEAKER 05 :
No one else cares. Yeah, exactly. We Green Bay fans, we care. We were robbed by Seattle. We could have gone to the Super Bowl. Okay. It was a terrible call. And it’s even admitted all over ESPN NFL Network. Everybody actually agrees with us. Green Bay was robbed. Okay. In 31 other NFL cities, does anyone care?
SPEAKER 15 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
Do they want to hear us go on about it?
SPEAKER 15 :
No. If I can throw something in just to, you know, curtail off this. Go ahead. If you, in the course of your argument, are pedantic, people are going to care more about the pedantry than they are about the argument. Correct. Yes. Absolutely. They will care that you are being pedantic more so than they will care about anything you have to say. So stop being pedantic. Yeah.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
I agree. Luke, I cannot disagree with you on that one at all, 100%. So, again, folks, it’s not that I’m upset with any of you or mad or whatever. And I get that details matter. And they matter to people, especially like me, who’s got OCD. Yes, details matter. But here’s the reality. They don’t to everybody else.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 14 :
They matter to me. I’ve got a math brain and all of that. And, yes, those things really matter to me. But here’s the reality. They don’t to the majority of people. No, they don’t. And all of us that are like me have to understand that everybody else isn’t like that, and they don’t care. In fact, in some cases, they’re mad at people like me because they don’t want to hear it. Right. They don’t care about the details. They care about all of the overarching end of it, and that’s all they care about. And our party has got to start figuring that out. Right. Especially here in Colorado. Andy, we have not figured that out yet.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know why? Because we don’t care. Right.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and I’ve said numerous times, I’ll continue to say this, guys, the reason we lose in Colorado is not because of the way we vote and the way our voting system is. We lose because we run the wrong candidates, we put the wrong message out, we don’t do the right strategies. That’s why we lose.
SPEAKER 05 :
I agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
Live and local, back to Rush to Reason. Got a text message that Spirit Airlines is going to cease operations tomorrow. I did not read that, but thank you for noting that. I will double-check that. Really? I’m not saying that I disagree with you because I’ve read some things earlier where that might be the case, and it sounds like that’s going to be the case. So Spirit will be dead. No more Spirit.
SPEAKER 05 :
The spirit is dead.
SPEAKER 14 :
The spirit is dead.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s a goner. So, all right, next hour.
SPEAKER 05 :
What are we doing again, Andy? We are doing the best sequels. So if you’ve got a sequel you like, let us know.
SPEAKER 14 :
307-282-22 is our text line. Again, 307-282-22. We’ll be right back. Hour 2 is next. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
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