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Have you ever wondered what differentiates a professional ceramic coating from a DIY solution? This episode provides a deep dive into the world of vehicle coatings, detailing the importance of proper preparation and application to achieve lasting protection. Join us as we learn the science behind these products, discover the latest innovations driving the market, and hear practical advice on maintaining your vehicle’s pristine look over time. Roy and Dietze from ProTech Auto Shield share their expertise, making this an invaluable session for any car owner.
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John Rush (Host) :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Josh Goff from Ridgeline Auto Brokers and Legacy Automotive up in Boulder with us today, as well as Roy Anditsa from ProTech Auto Shield as well. Okay, earlier, because we didn’t get a chance to get to this, Josh, you were asking off-air, but I wanted to ask it on-air. You were asking, Roy, the difference between wraps and the PPF. Okay, so there you have it. What’s the difference?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
um mainly the thickness so both of them are vinyl but uh ppf is mainly made to protect your car from rock chips whereas vinyl like you would the color vinyl is more for cosmetic aesthetics uh-huh just to make the call the car look a different color put an accent mark on it whatever and it’ll the ppf will last a lot longer too Yes, especially here in Colorado.
Caller (Guest) :
Because it seems like the vinyl coats don’t last that long.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yeah, so the vinyl, cast vinyl, which is just the way you use for cars, is about 1.2 mils thick, whereas the PPF can go up to 10. So it’s a lot thicker.
Caller (Guest) :
That is a lot of difference. That is a lot of difference.
John Rush (Host) :
Yeah. Sorry, I’m texting and trying to talk at the same time. I’m trying to catch up on text messages. So those of you that have texted, I’m doing my best to get caught up, and I’ll try to respond as fast as I can. Okay, here’s a question that I’ve got when it comes to the wrap, and I know the differences and so on. So would you suggest, and can it be done? So somebody gets a nice wrap. It’s on their company truck, but it’s maybe a little nicer than what… they would normally have their crew in and so on. They want to keep it looking good as long as possible. Or they do a color change. They do a wrap and they do a color change that way. Can you PPF the wrap?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yes. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
So the nose, let’s say, you know, you want the nose protected because it’s, you know, anymore there’s no chrome bumpers or anything like that. It matches the color. Can you PPF the color?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, you can. Yeah. So it’s just like last night when I gave you the… Your Corvette. Right. Yeah. So I talked to you about the decal on the front of the hood.
John Rush (Host) :
Correct.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So it’s clear black. We clear black. Right. So we’re PPFing.
John Rush (Host) :
So you PPFed over what was a graphic. It was a graphic. Or in the case of what we’re talking about with the wrap, that’s essentially what it is.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So if you do, let’s say, a vinyl wrap, color change, and it’s gloss, we can PPF that to protect, to add protection to the…
John Rush (Host) :
vinyl wrap okay so vinyl so you you definitely can yeah here’s a question does there have to be a time frame between doing the wrap and the ppf or can they come and see you and do it all at once or do you have we can do it all at once and it’s better if you do it all at once okay when it’s clean everything brand new so it hasn’t been out it hasn’t had any actually that’s what i recommend to do everything at the same time okay So that you’re not getting a lot of other damage per se. Damage, yeah, debris.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Now, one of the things that I would mention is that if you’re getting a matte finish vinyl, you want to get a matte finish PPF.
John Rush (Host) :
Otherwise, it’ll make it shiny.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yep.
John Rush (Host) :
Right? Am I saying that correctly?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yes.
John Rush (Host) :
So the PPF can be matte or shiny? Yes. Yes. Okay. Now, we’ve talked about this in the past, but make sure that everybody’s clear on this. Now, when it comes to ceramic coating, so I want the paint done and all of that, so paint correction, do the ceramic coating and all of that, but yet there’s certain PPF that you put on the car. Do you ceramic coat the PPF as well? You can, yes.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Now you have a new PPF that it comes with ceramic coating on it. So it’s already ceramic coating. And you can add that too. I mean, you can put another layer if you want.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
It’s not necessary, but you can.
John Rush (Host) :
So make it more durable. So it comes with the ceramic, but you can add to it. So essentially adding another layer to it is what you’re saying.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yes. So the vinyl needs a top coating just to finish, you know, so that it doesn’t get damaged and all that.
John Rush (Host) :
The PPF or the wrap?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Both of them.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Both of them have like a top coat to it. So now the clear bra that we use has a ceramic coating top coat. And you can even add another layer of ceramic coating to it. But it’s not necessary because it already has a ceramic coating top coat.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay. All right. A lot of this. You know, I learn every time you guys, either I go to the shop or I sit here and have a conversation with you guys, I learn more and more. And for those listening, Lot and Josh, you probably feel the same way I do. Even though I’m in the car world and have been forever, this is new territory in a lot of ways because some of this stuff is changing literally as we speak, correct? Oh, yeah.
Caller (Guest) :
I’ve never heard of ceramic coating a clear body before.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
And it looks like every six months they come out with something new. Every three months, something new.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay, this is something we’ve talked about in the past. I mentioned it, I think, last time Dietze was on, and I think even the week after Dietze was on, because I had somebody call in and ask about, okay, I can go to… target or chemical guys or wherever and i see ceramic coating why can’t i just buy it and do it myself explain the process and we’ve got time for this before we go to break so explain the process of real solid ceramic coating and the training that goes into that because where i’m going with this is like ceramic pros which is what you guys use they won’t even like even josh being in the business He’s got a dealership and a repair shop and so on. If he called Ceramic Pros to buy that, even he can’t because there’s a training process that goes into buying the product before it’s ever sold. Am I correct in saying that?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, you’re correct.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay, so walk us through that.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So the ceramic coating that we use, the Ceramic Pro, that’s the brand that we use, it contains 60%, 70% of titanium and all the solvents and everything else. which you cannot find that on the ceramic coating that you buy Target or whatever. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 01 (Guest) :
Over-the-counter.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
You know what I’m saying? Online or whatever. And on top of that, on top of everything, there’s a process before applying the ceramic coating properly. You have to prep the car. You have to wash it. Do a paint correction. To make the ceramic coating bond to the clear coat, to the paint.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
You know what I mean? Okay. So you can apply ceramic coating on your vehicle just by washing it, and then you apply it at your house or whatever, your garage. But believe me, it’s not going to last.
John Rush (Host) :
And it’s not the same kind of ceramic coating that you’re using, right? No, yeah. Really quick. In fact, in your world, you even have choices of ceramic coating. You guys can even do and apply based upon cost, longevity, and so on. Am I right in saying that?
John Rush (Host) :
Yes.
John Rush (Host) :
So there’s levels even in your world of ceramic coating.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the professional level. So the one we use, I mean, like I said, is Ceramic Pro. And it’s a very high-end ceramic coating.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
And… After that, after we do all that, we offer to our customers an aftercare, which is you apply this stuff. I mean, this ceramic coating in a lower level, like every, I don’t know.
SPEAKER 01 (Guest) :
Two years or something.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
It depends. Every year or depends on the person. If it’s your daily driver. Exactly. I mean, it’s like your car. I mean. You’re probably not going to drive it, I don’t know how many times a year, maybe. Not much. Three, four times a year. I don’t know. You know what I mean? Versus another person that drives it. Versus my truck. Exactly. So my daily driver. Yeah, so I recommend to do it more. That one I’m driving day to day. Yeah, to do it on your truck, I mean, more often than your Corvette.
John Rush (Host) :
Yeah, that would make total sense because that’s the daily driver.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
That’s getting the abuse. And it adds a little layer of ceramic coating. To maintain it.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay. So let’s say that there’s, well, I’m going to leave this for next. We’ll take a break and come back. I’ve got another question along those lines because there’s people that advertise some of this stuff. And some cases sort of a lost leader of sorts. And I want to talk about that as well, okay? Okay. All right, we’ll come back and do that. You guys have questions for Roy or Dietze, please let us know. Also for Josh or I, please give us a call, 303-477-5600. And again, question of the day is, if you’re driving even around town or on a road trip, passenger or driver, what do you prefer? We’ll come right back. Don’t go anywhere. Drive Radio KLZ 560.
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John Rush (Host) :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thanks so much for listening. We appreciate it very much. Again, Roy and Dietze, both from ProTech Auto Shield with us. Josh from Legacy Automotive and Ridgeline Auto Brokers. And all of our sponsors. Even if there’s guys that you hear that aren’t here every week because we rotate folks in and out. If there’s anybody at all that you need help from. And we’ve got… Everything from the legal end of things, from whether you need representation, to your state planning, to the financial end of it with Al Smith, to we’ve got windshield folks, we’ve got auto repair, you name it. We’ve got a whole gamut. Appraisals, you name it. We’ve got a lot of different folks that are helping us with this show on a weekly basis. And if you need anybody at all, just go to drive-radio.com and you’ll find some help there. And if you’re a business that’s looking to advertise and you’d like more exposure and be a part of what we’re doing, by all means, reach out, and we would love to have that as well. And I should – I don’t know how I forgot this. NAPA and BG, two of our biggest sponsors as well. So NAPA Auto Parts and BG, when it comes to making this show happen on a weekly basis, those are the folks that you really should be using and thanking because it’s because of all of them, including Roy Dietze and Josh, that we’re here each week doing what we do. So back to the whole ceramic coating thing. One thing I was going to ask you guys before we go back to the phones. By the way, line’s open, 303-477-5600. Give us a call. All right, I can see ads, and I get these from time to time, whether it be email, whether it be something that shows up in my mailbox. And I don’t normally read ads, but my wife happened to show me one the other day that was in my area that I know I showed you guys. And so this particular detail shop, quote-unquote, is advertising a winter special with less of a longevity ceramic coating at a special price, which I’m not going to mention because I’m just asking the question more than anything. So for you guys, though, the question that I have is, is there different degrees of ceramic coating, and how is this particular shop able to advertise a cheaper price? Are they using a cheaper product, not putting as many coats on? Explain that.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Most likely, yeah, they’re using a cheaper product. Not layering as much? What’s up? Not layering as much of it on? Probably, yeah. Well, yeah, maybe. So there’s a lot of difference between ceramic coatings right now. I mean, there’s a lot of… So explain. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like this ceramic coating that we use, Ceramic Pro, it’s a multi-layerable ceramic coating product.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So you can put one, two, three, four, five layers. You know what I mean? Okay. More than that if you want. There’s some ceramic coatings that you can only apply just one layer, and that’s it. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
Because of how it’s made?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yeah, because of the manufacturer. How they bond to each other. So ceramic coating bonds to itself. So it bonds to the paint, and then if you’re layering up, it bonds to itself.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay, but there’s some products that won’t allow that. I did not know that. Okay, so again, every time you guys are on, I learn a little more.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
That’s one of the reasons I like the brand that we use, the Ceramic Pro, because you can put one, two, three layers, whatever you want.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. So I did not know that. So some of these specials, I guess you could call them, where somebody’s advertising a fairly inexpensive price… They’re most likely using a less expensive product, one application only, and it’s why they will advertise it’s only good for a couple of years, for example. Yeah. Versus in most cases, ceramic coating with the touch-up we talked about earlier, you get four or five years out of. Am I correct in saying that? Or more. Or more. Or more. Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
No, another thing that I would like to mention when it comes to the durability of the product, it also depends on how you’re washing your car.
John Rush (Host) :
Very, very well. Yes, thank you for saying that. Okay, so explain that and what you mean and how should it be taken care of afterwards.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
So one of the things I recommend of customers after they get their ceramic coating is don’t go to, you know, the car wash that’s just going to have the brushes and it’s going to pretty much just wear and tear the vehicle and everything. So we recommend going to the touchless washes or even doing it yourself. Now, if you have, for example, that ad that you got that it’s advertising a couple like a lot less.
John Rush (Host) :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
But if you’re taking it through the car wash, which is getting the brushes, it’s probably going to last a lot, a lot less than what it’s advertised. Now, most warranties will get void if you’re going through car washes. Okay. Because you can’t know what’s happening.
John Rush (Host) :
You don’t know what the soaps are using, the control method and pressures and all of that, right?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Exactly.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay. Now, that’s not to say that somebody can’t get ceramic coating and still use them. You can. Just know that you’re most likely going to lessen the life of that ceramic coating that was installed. Is that a good way to say that?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yeah, which is what we do. Uh, so you can do the multiple layers and it’s going to give you a lot more longevity. And if you’re going to take it through the car wash every week, just know that you’re going to be back in every year to have some touch up done. Exactly.
John Rush (Host) :
Is that a good way to say that?
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
Yes.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay. So here’s a question. You’re that person. You’ve done that. When do you know it’s time for the touch up or do you just make an appointment with you guys on an annual basis and get it done?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
That’s what we do, yeah. We do like a yearly maintenance appointment. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
So if you had something done in, I don’t know, August, you just know next August. If you’re that daily driver going through the car washes and so on, fine. Go ahead and do that. But just know next August you’re going to go in for a touch-up.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah. So we wash the car. We look at the water beating. You know what I mean? Yep, exactly. And that’s how you know that you’ve got to apply another layer.
John Rush (Host) :
Because the more it beads up, the better the product is holding up, right? Once it starts to sheet off.
SPEAKER 04 (Guest) :
That’s when you know you need it.
John Rush (Host) :
You know you’ve got a problem, right? You want those beads. Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
And it all depends on the way the person takes care of the vehicle. So, like I said, if it’s a daily driver… You’ve got to pay attention to those things. The weather and all that.
John Rush (Host) :
All of you that are listening that are going to do this product and this process, you’re wanting to take care of your car, and yet, hey, no criticism. Some of you are going to roll through the car wash. That’s fine. I mean, I’m one of those at times. It’s like, listen, I don’t have enough time to go actually sit and do this job the way that I would really like to, but I want a clean car, and I’m still – better off at the end of the day having the clean car than just letting it stay dirty. So I’m still going to go do that. But yeah, I’m not going to handle. I’ll be the first to admit my daily driver. I’m not hand washing every time. I got other things to do. So I’m going to roll through and do the car wash thing periodically. And for a lot of you are probably thinking, John actually goes through the car wash. Yeah, because I’ve got limited time, just like a lot of the rest of you do. But I’m going to go see Roy when I know things aren’t beating up the way they should. And you can watch that through that process. And when things start to degrade a little bit, I’m just going to go back and see Roy and get it redone.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, and I get customers asking me, I mean, how do I take care of my car after I do the ceramic coating? And I say, I’ll teach you. We educate you, you know what I mean, how to take care of your vehicle. But at the end of the day, it’s your car. You’re going to drive it. You’re going to have the time to watch it or not watch it. You know what I mean? And I don’t want to tell you don’t go there, don’t go there, don’t do this.
John Rush (Host) :
I will tell people that as we enter into this time of the year where we’ve got more stuff that will be on the road. We may have snow Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday this week. you’re going to have crud on the road that, frankly, you’re going to want to get off of the car. And I’m one that would tell you that ceramic coating or not, I’m still one that says, even if you have to go to the car wash, go to the car wash, do the underside rinse, and get the top washed off. Even if it’s an automatic wash, you’re still better off doing that than nothing. leaving that stuff on it is worse than going through the car wash so I’m still one that says go through the car wash if that’s all you can do because you can’t hand wash it yourself go through the car wash at least get that stuff off and then at some point you come back and then we wash your car and then we’ll see how the coating is performing at the end of the day that’s what the coating is for to help you with all of that that’s why you’re paying good way of saying it Bob and Thornton go ahead hi John Bob and Thornton hey
Caller (Guest) :
I’m going to talk about my 2023 Kia Stinger. So I bought that thing. It only had 4,000 miles on it, and it was in good shape and stuff like that. And I talked to you, and you recommended your sponsors that you’re talking about right now. It’s a little far away, and I found somebody that did it, and they did a spectacular job. It was $700. But I’ve been driving for 59 years. Do you remember the word? A Simonized job?
John Rush (Host) :
Oh, yeah.
Caller (Guest) :
Okay. I’ll never do anything but ceramic coating now. I mean, I got a little dirt and dust and stuff on this car, and I pulled it out of the garage. I got a separate garage for it, and I sprayed it off a little bit of cold water off the hose. I drove it around the block twice to knock off the beads, wiped the car down with a fiber towel, and it looked like better than brand new so i mean it’s there’s if you got a car that you care about the ceramic coating is amazing when it first came out i thought oh come on you know and they’d sell products that you could put on at home
John Rush (Host) :
nonsense. For all of you listening, there is not a quote-unquote homeowner product the way I describe it, Bob, and for all of you listening, it’s much like hiring somebody to come in and do your garage floor correctly versus going to Home Depot in the aisle and buying the Rust-Oleum do-it-yourself garage floor coating that you buy in the aisle at Home Depot. That’s the difference between doing ceramic coating yourself versus somebody doing it professionally.
Caller (Guest) :
I mean, when you’re talking about a car that’s you know, $50,000, $60,000 car, $700 for a, I don’t know what guys charge, but, you know, I thought, well, that’s a little bit pricey. When it came out, and it only had 4,000 miles on it, so the paint wasn’t, but the correction on that took every little mark and little scratch and little everything, and then the ceramic coating, it’s amazing. So, you know, you’ve got to get into the, you know, this is where we’re at. If you don’t care about your car, it doesn’t matter.
John Rush (Host) :
It doesn’t matter. And really quick, for all of you listening, you should, because this goes back to Josh. I’ll close this with this, and we can come back and even talk about this a little bit more, Josh. On the used car side of the fence, value-wise, Are cars that are well cared for worth more money than cars that aren’t? Oh, yeah. Definitely. So it’s almost a no-brainer. It’s a no-brainer. Back to Bob’s point a moment ago, I guess if you don’t care, it doesn’t matter. But if you really want to maximize the dollars that you’ve invested into that car that you’re driving, take care of it, even on the paint side, because it will be worth more money down the road. Yeah, it’s hard to sell an ugly car. OK, on average, and I know this is hard to hold you this, Josh, but on average, you take a car that’s five years old. So somebody buys a new car, they drive it five years, they get ready to get rid of it because that’s about average. You know, three to five is typically what somebody is going to keep a new car and they’re going to go do something else. Life changes. Kids have grown or there’s more kids or whatever the case may be. On average, taking really good care of that car, doing the things that we’re talking about, doing some PPF on the front, ceramic coating it, making it look as good five years from now as it is today, how much more value is in that car?
Caller (Guest) :
10% to 15% more value. That’s a lot.
John Rush (Host) :
That’s worth every penny of what we just talked about doing. Because when you look at a $50,000 car today that in five years might be worth $25,000, and you think about that 10% to 15%, what you did in maintenance, and by the way, you had a nice-looking car the whole time as well, and it was easier to care for by having these things done. That’s one thing we could come back and talk about is how much cleaner the car stays by doing these things along the way as well. So you’re time-saving. in what you’re doing to maintain the car is also huge, plus you’re getting that 10% to 15% bump at the end.
Caller (Guest) :
Yeah, very true.
John Rush (Host) :
Big deal. And let me also tell you this. The ability for you to trade or sell that car, knowing that’s done, not only is it the 10% to 15% add, but just the quickness and how that works also helps. Right. Makes it a lot easier. So all of it is a benefit at the end. All right. We’ll come back. Don’t go anywhere, guys. Drive Radio KLZ 560. All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Time to slip a car review in. Richard, I was able to drive a 2024 Buick, which is a name I grew up with because I worked in a Buick dealership for a very long time, and Vista Sport Touring. So this is a new car from Buick, 1.2-liter turbo engine, six-speed automatic transmission, and this car specs out at about 310. $30,000, $29,000 and some change, so under $30,000. And this is one of their higher-end models of this particular car. Very well apportioned, by the way. I think the only complaint that I’ve got, and it’s not a complaint because I know it is what it is, and I pretty much knew… what this car would be priced at and so on. It’s more of a small SUV, but still plenty of room inside and very nicely done, I might add, as far as all of that is concerned. Infotainment, seating, the whole nine yards. Yes, you can tell you’re in a smaller vehicle, but for a lot of people, Richard, this thing would work. extremely well, plenty of room in the back seat, plenty of storage space, if you would, in the back. It’s a really good-looking car. In fact, I wish this car was made in a little larger version because it’s a really, really, I’ll just say it’s sexy-looking SUV. It really is. They’ve done a great job. 1.2-liter turbo, though, I will say at our elevation, even with the turbo engine, a little underpowered, although I say that with air quotes because for the majority of people, Richard, it’s probably more than enough.
Caller (Guest) :
Yeah, and that’s usually the problem that we have to sort of, we have to put the asterisk here, right? And even if you see other reviewers at our altitude, or especially at our altitude, we have to sort of put the caveat that for most people, it’s probably okay that even at our altitude, right? Because you know how much you really need to, you know…
John Rush (Host) :
Not much. My only complaint on that is there’s times where you’re trying to pull into traffic. There’s a lot going on. You have no choice. You’ve got to get up to speed quickly. Not all of our on-ramps are super long here in the Denver area. We have some short on-ramps at times. And depending upon what traffic’s doing, you’ve got to get up to that 65, 70-mile-an-hour mark pretty fast. And this car struggles a little bit in that area.
Caller (Guest) :
And I can understand that, and I can semi-appreciate it, like you say. But at the same time, it looks like fuel economy, though, as a result of that.
John Rush (Host) :
Oh, I averaged over 30 miles to the gallon in town. I mean, literally, I drove everywhere in this thing and used up a tank, and I think I had to put, I don’t know, four or five gallons in it when it was all said and done, Richard. With all the driving I did, and I had a busy week this last week. So, yeah, not complaining about that at all. This is a very economical car to own and very luxurious at the same time for the money.
Caller (Guest) :
I was going to say, for the money, Dad, and it does not – I will say this. I looked it up when you first were telling me about it and looked it up again. It does not look like a car that you can get for between the low 20s, depending on how you configure it, and you’re kind of the one that you’ve got, right? You’re right around that 30 mark, which, again, folks, I think the average price of a vehicle, Dave, Dad, is closer to –
John Rush (Host) :
Mid-50s. Mid-50s, yes.
Caller (Guest) :
And so to get a, I’ll call it this, a compact SUV where you can still get four full-size adults in it, kind of a little bit roomier there, maybe not a ton of cargo, where you can still move people around, Dad, for $30,000 or less and get 30 miles to the gallon, that’s really, really hard to do.
John Rush (Host) :
absolutely no this is a great car for those of you listening that are looking for really something that’s out of the ordinary in that size with a really good price tag this is a car that again i got lots of compliments this car looks really really good and if you didn’t notice the the tri badge which is the buick emblem from back in the day if you didn’t notice the tri badge on the front you really wouldn’t know this is a buick And the old saying, and I don’t think they use it anymore, but this isn’t your father’s Buick anymore. I mean, the reality is, no, it’s not. This is a very sporty-looking car, very good-looking, and will literally, Richard, I’ll just tell people straight up, this car will not disappoint. If you get an opportunity to get behind the wheel, I would highly suggest you do so. Again, the 2024 Buick Invista Sport Touring Edition is what we drove. Go check that out at your local Buick dealership. Let them know that John and Richard Rush, both from Drive Radio and Rush to Reason, sent you.
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John Rush (Host) :
All right, we are back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560. Thank you guys so much for joining in. I appreciate it very much. Lines are open. 303-477-5600. Text line, or sorry, text line is 307-282-22. Question of the day. Went on a road trip or just even driving around town. Driver? Or passenger, which do you prefer? Okay, I got a couple questions that came in for Roy. One is, if somebody listening, we cover seven states. Sometimes I forget that, but we cover a lot of states with our signal. So say somebody drives all the way up and they want to get the full treatment from you guys. Do you have a rental car option where if they drive up and they need a rental car to drive back and then come back and pick the car up in a week or so, because in some cases it may take that long to get everything done proper, do you have that ability?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, there’s an Enterprise location like three minutes away from us.
John Rush (Host) :
Yep. Makes it easy. Oh, yeah. So for those of you that are out of state or out of area and you still want the full gamut done by Roy, you want it done correctly, and yes, I can… highly testify to the job they do because he’s done all, well, not all my vehicles, but a good portion of them. Let’s just say it that way.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
A lot so far.
John Rush (Host) :
A lot of vehicles so far. And even some of my company vehicles, he’s done those as well. So they do a great job. I wouldn’t have anybody else touch my vehicles after watching Roy and Dietze and their crew do what they do. So, yeah, if you need things done, yes, they can handle that, give you a rental car and so on. Now, the other question, and this could be Josh or it could be Roy. I don’t know which one of you guys want to cover this. Avalanche that has all the plastic cladding. The old ones. All that black that turns gray. How do you get that black again? Is that something, Roy, you have? Or, Josh, do you have any answers on that?
Caller (Guest) :
I don’t have anything that lasts. You can use a torch.
John Rush (Host) :
For those of you that maybe are good, you can get the re-black out with a torch, but you’ve got to be really careful because you can rejuvenate it with the heat from the torch. But, again, that’s something that you’ve got to be careful with. Otherwise, you’re coating it with something, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So I recommend to use some ceramic coating. We have, I mean, Ceramic Pro offers the 9H. Okay. And that’s what we use as a base coat when we do our ceramic coatings. I mean, we use the 9H. Okay. And then on top of that, we use the top coat. Right? Am I getting it? Yeah? Yeah. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
So the 9H is going to bring the blackness back?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And there are some products. I’m going to… Throw this one. I mean, there’s a coating that I’ve seen before, and I have recommended to my customers.
John Rush (Host) :
Like the Forever Black and some of those sorts of things.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, well, there’s a coating that he calls Cerakote. Okay. Cerakote. I think that’s what it is. That’s the name. I don’t use it in my shop because it’s very strong. Okay. But I recommend it to one of my friends. You know, he had an old Durango with those mirrors, the plastic mirrors. Yeah, and they get all nasty. They were all, like, gray. You know what I mean? Yeah. So he used it on his mirrors, and they came out really nice. Now, that coating, I mean, I heard is very strong. Mm-hmm. So just make sure you don’t apply it on the paint.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So just make sure you buy the correct coating.
John Rush (Host) :
It’s probably melting the plastic a little bit is what I’m guessing, right? To get the black back or what?
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
It’s just very strong. I don’t know. I mean, like I said, I mean, I got it from one of my friends. And then I started, you know what I mean? I started to pass the tip to my friends. And so far, they loved it. I mean, they liked it. Yeah. But they told me that it’s very strong. So I got another friend. He came. He brought his car back to me. He bought a new car. What was it? A Nissan Leaf? A Leaf? Yeah. Okay. So he applied this coating on the paint. Oh, no. And on the headlight. Oh, no. Of his car. And he brought it to me. And he’s like, oh, I didn’t recommend it to him. He found out. I mean, he found out about this coating on his own. Okay. But he brought it to me. And he’s like, Roy, I can’t get this. Off of my car. Oh, no. So I tried to buff it. I tried everything. And even I tried to sand and polish the paint. So he just bought the wrong kind for the application. Yeah. So you shouldn’t buy the one for the pain.
John Rush (Host) :
This is where when you’re doing these things at home, you really have to be careful because not only will you maybe not get the results that you want, but you could damage some things in the process in doing it. Yeah. You got to be careful.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
So now to answer this question is just, I mean, that product, Cerakote. Just buy the correct product. For the application. For the application. For plastic. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
All right.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Good to know. Okay.
John Rush (Host) :
So there’s the answer on that. So, yes, there is some products made for that. And a lot of you, you’ve seen the videos. Again, be very, very careful. In some cases, can you bring life back to vinyl products? I’ve seen people take patio furniture, for example, plastic patio furniture, take a butane torch and heat it and get that color back. I’ve never done it. I’ve never tried it. I don’t know how long it lasts. So if you see the videos on that, just user beware because I’ve never done it. I don’t know how long it lasts and how that works, and I would be extremely careful if you did that. I would do a little test. If you’re going to try that method, find some obscure place where if you mess up, it’s not a huge issue, and be very careful because you don’t want to melt the plastic.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
Yeah, I was going to say that. You’ve got to do it in a little –
John Rush (Host) :
Try a piece.
SPEAKER 07 (Guest) :
A piece, yeah.
John Rush (Host) :
That’s right, and be very careful. Underneath or whatever, yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. All right, we’ll be right back, guys. Questions for us? We’ve got lines open, 303-477-5600. We’ll be right back. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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John Rush (Host) :
All right, we’re going to shift gears here for a moment before we go to the break here, top of the hour, and that is cold weather’s coming. Now, somebody sent me an article last week because there was an article out on, I think it was 9 News. talking about the mad rush to get into tire stores this last week because a little bit of weather we had. And I’m thinking, and even whoever sent me that article, I think it was Mike, basically said, you know, we know every year when this is coming. Why, you know, last minute? Well, and I think some of that is, you know, we talked to Wade earlier, the election, the election has caused some of that, people waiting to get certain things done and so on. But Yes, it is that time where if you haven’t done your winter tires or whatever you normally do this time of the year to be legal, we have traction laws in Colorado now. If you don’t know what those are specifically, I would highly suggest you look them up. Some of you that go in the mountains regularly or you go skiing, some of you guys that run commercial vehicles, you probably already know what the rules are, but maybe you don’t. Maybe you’re new here. and you just started a business even, there are certain things you have to do that even a regular homeowner, a regular driver doesn’t have to do. So make sure that you’re up on all of those things to know exactly what you need when it comes to winter driving. And some of the traction laws in certain storms can even apply here in town. So it’s not always just running up the hill, you know, outside of Morrison or Golden or whatever, 285. It can apply even in town. So make sure that you’re abiding by all of the different things that go along with that traction law. And some things for this past year have changed. I talked about this a few weeks ago. So look the traction law up. It’s on the CDOT website. And make sure that you’re all dialed in with that because, yes, we’re at that time of the year where we’ll have snow this week most likely. In fact, I think they’re predicting potentially – I think it’s Monday morning, maybe one to three inches. So that’s only a couple of days from now. And if you listen to the replay, you’ll even know it happened. So just remember that we are in that time of the year where, yes, snow is coming. Doug, you’re next.
Caller (Guest) :
Well, thank you. I just had this thing happen, just started right now, about 10 minutes ago. Filled up my truck at a gas station. I started up the truck, and it revved to 2,000 RPMs. It just wanted to stay at that rev. And then when I push my foot on the gas, when I put it in gear, push my foot on the gas, it’s unresponsive. It just kind of really slows down then, and it’s not like I’ve got a plug fuel filter or something where it cuts out. It just slows way down. And then when I wiggle the foot feet, it will jerk somewhat and start going like normal. But it’s just strange. I’ve never had that happen before.
John Rush (Host) :
Okay. Josh, thoughts?
Caller (Guest) :
What kind of car is it?
Caller (Guest) :
It’s a Toyota with a 3.4-liter V6.
Caller (Guest) :
And what year?
Caller (Guest) :
Standard transmission.
Caller (Guest) :
Do you know what year it is? It’s 04. An 04. So probably on that one, that’s when they switched from a normal cable running the throttle to drive-by wire. And the limp home, as we call it on it, sets the throttle plate just a little bit open. So that’s why you have that high idle, and it’s going to be hard to drive. So it’s probably what it sounds like, because I’ve seen it a bunch of times, is that that throttle body motor has gone out on that truck.
Caller (Guest) :
Oh, boy. That might be hard to find, huh?
Caller (Guest) :
Yeah, it is. And they were never on the cheap side on those. But that’s why yours still has a cable actually going out to the throttle body, but it’s actually still a drive-by wire truck. And when it goes into default, it just opens the throttle plate a little bit so you can kind of move a little bit, but you won’t be able to accelerate very fast. And that high idle is because it’s in the default position right now.
Caller (Guest) :
So you’re saying it’s a motor having to do with the throttle body.
Caller (Guest) :
It’s actually an electric motor that moves the throttle body open and close. So when you put your foot on the gas, you’re not physically opening or closing the throttle plate. It’s just a sensor, and then the motor that’s controlled by the computer in there opens and closes the throttle plate. Based upon the reading it’s getting from your foot feet going into the computer.
John Rush (Host) :
Exactly. Okay.
Caller (Guest) :
Okay, so that’s electric, but I do have a cable going to the throttle.
Caller (Guest) :
You do, and that’s the way those early Toyota drive-by-wire systems were. They still kept the cable, but when you look at it, you’ll see if you actually pulled the hose off the front of that throttle body and you move that cable back and forth, you won’t see that throttle body move. Like an old car, whenever you moved that cable back and forth, you would watch the throttle body move proportionally to the cable. On this one, you won’t see that throttle body move because all that cable is is they didn’t want to put a foot pedal module in it. They still had the cable because they didn’t do a redesign on it. So they just let the cable run out to the actual throttle body, and then they put the sensor, what we call the foot pedal sensor on it, actually on the throttle body with the throttle body motor and everything all in one unit. They got cheap, in other words. They did. Well, it’s a lot of money to redesign those.
Caller (Guest) :
Well, it is.
Caller (Guest) :
No, you’re right. In a lot of ways. Yeah.
Caller (Guest) :
Well, it’s got 341,000 miles on it. I would say you’ve done pretty well.
John Rush (Host) :
Yeah, I think you’ve done well. And notice, you know, Doug, just think about this, and for everybody listening, the way those sensors work is it’s just basically kind of a rheostat, if you would, that is… you know, riding and wearing every single time you move the throttle. You know, you move the gas, is what I should say, the gas pedal. It’s moving that sweep, you could call it. And you think about that, really, I’m surprised it’s gone this long. Shows you how well they were actually built in the beginning because that thing is sweeping every time you move the throttle.
Caller (Guest) :
Yeah, that put a lot of wear and tear on it.
John Rush (Host) :
Absolutely. Yeah.
Caller (Guest) :
Well, I thank you so very, very much. That’s amazing to me that you guys can figure these things out.
Caller (Guest) :
And a little cheat you can try is just clear the codes, and sometimes it will operate that one dropout. So somewhere in there there’s a little dead spot on the resistor, and that’s what it is. So you can clear it, but it’s going to keep coming back.
John Rush (Host) :
And, Doug, what Josh is describing, for all of you listening, I hope I can do this, think of a fan. Mm-hmm. and think of little wires or you know in this case you know copper wires that are running on the face of a piece of plastic basically i’m getting very simplistic here but that’s essentially what it is and they’re very fine because it needs to know specifically where that throttle is at in relation to your foot and what you’re wanting the engine to do And all it takes, to Josh’s point, Doug, is one little spot. There maybe is a wear point or a break in that, and if you hit that just right, that’s where the code comes into play, and it throws everything off, goes into limp mode, and so on. So what Josh is saying is if you reset all of that and it doesn’t see that again for X amount of drive cycles, you might be okay, but you are headed towards replacing that. You have no choice.
Caller (Guest) :
Okay, and you’re calling it a module basically for the… Throttle, yeah, throttle body is usually what?
Caller (Guest) :
The whole thing. Throttle body module is what they’re going to call it.
Caller (Guest) :
Wonderful. Thank you still very much.
John Rush (Host) :
You’re very welcome, Doug. No, I appreciate that. For a lot of you that are listening, there’s all sorts of sensors on the vehicle, but typically when it comes to knowing where something is opened or closed, they’re just using a rheostat that’s got different ohms on it based upon the position of where that’s actually at from wide open throttle to closed. And the computer knows, based upon that reading, where things are, and it will adjust and make the throttle body itself react accordingly. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s out at the engine, in the case of Doug’s a moment ago, or if it’s down at the foot feed, which most modern cars now are all at the foot feed now. They’re all pretty much there. And it’s amazing that if you think about how many times your foot is on and off the throttle driving it, and in his case, 300 and some thousand miles of that, a pretty robust piece of equipment, if you think about it that way, to really have gone that long. There were some cables back in the old days that wouldn’t run that long, and I’m not exaggerating. Am I right, Josh?
Caller (Guest) :
They break long before that.
John Rush (Host) :
Yeah, I mean, we used to stock throttle cables back in the day in some of our shops because certain cars would break well before that 300,000-mile mark. So, all right, we’ll be back. Another full hour coming your way. Lines are open, 303-477-5600. Drive Radio, KLZ 560.
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