In this enlightening episode of Rush to Reason, host John Rush and guest Kurt Rogers shed light on how the recent changes in leadership could potentially transform the landscape of mortgage rates and the wider real estate market. With in-depth analysis and expert insights, listeners are guided through the possible impacts of upcoming executive orders and their financial implications. Further down the conversation, the focus shifts to pressing issues surrounding immigration, as new policies come into play. John and guest Ben from Evergreen delve into the nuances of these changes, discussing their effects on both the economy and the
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And we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Time for our Monday Mortgage Minute. Kurt Rogers joining us now from Affordable Interest Mortgage. Kurt, we have a new president today.
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Yes, we do.
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What will he do in regards to the housing market and mortgage rates? What are your thoughts?
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I honestly believe, and we started to see a little glimpse of it on Friday with rates move before the weekend. I think that he’s a businessman. He’s going to be very favorable. The stock market’s going to like him, and you’re going to start to see rates, mortgage rates. When I’m talking rates, I’m talking mortgage rates. You’re going to start to see them. They’ve kind of inched up quite a bit. They’re going to start working their way on the way down. We’re going to start to see that in as early as, I believe, in about 10 days.
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By the way, I don’t disagree with that. I think some of what he’ll even do here in the next several days in regards to some of the executive orders and the unwinding of some of the things that have already been done by the previous administration, some of those things will have a very positive effect on what you’re talking about.
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The stock market, they’re not going to be skittish anymore. They’re going to know that he’s got a plan of action, and they just want a little security, and that’s going to start to move it.
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And I can’t disagree with you on that one. I think you’re 100% correct. All right, you take over Haystack Help Radio. I had Scott on actually earlier. We were talking about D.C. and some things going on back there that he was able to attend. But you take over Haystack Help Radio on Tuesdays. What do you got going on tomorrow?
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We’re going to be talking about different ways he’s going to be doing that, different questions people have asked me about how to buy a home, self-employed borrowers, what’s the all-in-one loan. We’re going to be talking about all that tomorrow.
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And by the way, stock market across the board, I just checked, was up. So, Kurt, I think that what you’re talking about is on track, and I think the markets will have some confidence in – really quick, just some of the – cut in wasteful spending and things along those lines, which you know as well as I, they don’t care for. You see some of that pull back, and the market’s going to respond.
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Yeah, and I firmly believe he’s going to lower food prices. I think he’s going to start to settle down on the inflation to where it’s not bad now, but he’s going to give the market a much better grip on it so that they’ll be able to continue And I just believe it’s going to happen with some of the things he’s putting into place.
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One of the things, really quick, before I let you go, just the energy sides of things where he’s talking about keeping some of the, quote-unquote, plants that were scheduled to shut down. He wants to keep some of those open. He knows we’ve got a real electric grid problem in the country. He’s going to do some things to try to shore that up. And, Kurt, that will bring some of those energy prices down if he does that.
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Yes, he’s going into office not the first time new.
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Correct.
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And he’s a businessman, so he already knows what’s in front of him. He seems to have this calmness about him, and he has a plan, and he’s going to work the plan. And the last time he did it, it worked. I can’t see how it’s not going to work this time.
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I agree. Kurt, as always, I appreciate you, sir. Take care. You bet. Have a great night. That’s Kurt Rogers, Affordable Interest Mortgage, 720-895-0500. Do you have more month than money?
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And we are back, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Ben and Evergreen, what’s going on today, sir?
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There is a new sheriff in town.
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Amen.
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And, you know, I just had a few comments about, first, he signed a thing that we’re pulling out of the Paris Accords. Good.
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I think that’s one of the first things he did, Ben, if I’m not mistaken. Is that not correct?
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Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve seen spotty things on the inauguration. But we may save a trillion a year. That’s huge. Well, not that we will that much, but even if it’s half that, The interest on the debt is about a trillion a year. Right. So that’s movement in the right direction. And then there’s other things like the border. I love this. I saw a thing about Tom Holman. This reporter was giving him a hard time. And she said, well, when’s all this going to happen? And he looks at her and he goes, day one. Just like a boss, you know, like. Honey, we’re not fooling around. This is a new way of doing things. And really, the old way, before we had runaway border running, it worked. And Trump gets demonized because of this.
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Yeah, you know, it’s funny. Really quick, Ben. I want to stop there for just one moment because I wanted to touch on that because what you just said, by the way, is correct. The left, though, would have you believe that the border was never secure under Donald Trump, that everything has been status quo and Biden didn’t change anything there. That’s what the left would want you to believe.
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Right. And, you know, to show how it’s easy to get mad at somebody. Clinton, when he was in office, I didn’t like it when he did it, but he did the right thing. He put a five thousand dollar fine. I remember because our business, we had to run one employee off. He didn’t have the right paperwork. We don’t want to pay the $5,000 for the fact that…
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You know, this guy didn’t… And I think along those lines, too, and I think I’ve had this conversation with others, and I think there’s a lot of folks on the left that feel like, you know, there’s just going to be this huge mass deportation of everybody that’s entered the country illegally. And, Ben, I don’t think that’s what’s going to happen. I think they’re going to take a very strategic approach to that end of things. They’re going to go through, number one, and look at, okay… Who here is illegal that we know has either had some criminal history, maybe they’ve already committed some felonies, maybe we know they’re associated with gangs, the cartel, whatever. Those are going to be the first ones they go and round up, trust me. Because, by the way, they’re the worst ones for the country because they’re just doing more to our demise than anything else. They’re not uplifting anyone. They’re not helping out employers. They’re not doing a single thing to lift the country up. They’re going to be the first ones to go. After that, I think, again, what you saw Trump do today, number one, they’re going to seal the border. Number two, they’re then going to go through strategically and look at, okay, who’s helping support the economy and who’s a drain on it? Those that are a drain are going to be number two.
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And, you know, frankly, although it’s the right thing to do, I’m going to miss a lot of the Mexicans because I work with them. And, you know, when you need something done, because Americans have become so lazy and If you want something done, ask a Mexican.
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And I think, you know, Ben, again, I think those that you’re talking about, which I’m with you in a lot of this, I don’t think those are going to be the first ones to go. In fact, it may take several years to even get to the point. And by the way, I think those particular individuals that you’re speaking about, I do believe the administration will figure out ways to, okay, what do we need to do? to make those that are contributing, that in some cases, by the way, Ben, might even be paying taxes and things along those lines, because, yes, you can be illegal and still do some things along those lines. I know that’s hard for some people to understand, but, Ben, you know what I’m talking about. Some of them are. And those that are, by the way, Ben, I do think you’re going to see this particular administration figure out a way to allow those folks to, whether we go to a merit-based system or something along those lines— I frankly don’t see those people ever getting shoved out. I think Donald Trump knows full well that we need those individuals that are contributing, but if you’re not, you’re going.
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Yeah, and some of these, like, gangsters.
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They’re already on notice, as you know from today.
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And the way I’d handle it, the ones that are real bad, I’d give them an American trial.
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Well, it’s interesting you say that, Ben, because keep in mind, one thing Donald Trump said today is he’s going to make those gang and cartel members, he’s going to now classify them as terrorists. So that changes things even in the criminal end of things.
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Oh, yeah, I’d be glad to help out getting them down to Guantanamo Bay. I think if anybody— You’re going to come here and cause all these problems.
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Yeah, if you’re one of those listening to that and understanding what that means, I think—and I’m going to put them on notice if any of them are listening. I don’t know if any of them are or not, but I’ll put them on notice. You might as well pack your bags and leave because you’re going to be on your way out anyways.
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Yeah, and what I would do is once they would be convicted for terrorist and or other crimes— If I let them go, I’d say, we’re giving you a ride to your country, courtesy of the taxpayers. The first time we’re dropping you out of a plane with a parachute. If you come back, You’re a marked man, and we’re giving you a free ride back, but you don’t get a parachute.
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Yeah. I mean, at a certain point… Well, you know, and the other thing, too, that you’ve heard this administration talk about is how the free rides here, there’s a lot of asylum countries that are getting a free plane ride to the United States of America. That’s ending also, Ben.
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Absolutely.
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And should have.
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Should have already ended. And really, when it comes to mopping up what’s gone on, I hope there’s at least a little bit of scorched earth going on in D.C. because who in the world thought that it was a good idea to leave this border open because they wanted to go against Trump? And it’s one thing a guy swimming the river and he’s going to work and he just needs a hand. It’s another to let all of these, again, these cartels, human traffickers. criminals, you know, they’re up to no good. They were up to no good where they were from, and we’re saying, come here.
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Correct. Yeah, and Ben, and I realize this is one of those topics that becomes very dicey for a lot of individuals. I mean, Ben, you know, my heart goes out to anybody that doesn’t have the privilege, and that’s what I consider to have been born here. It very much is a blessing and a privilege to have been born on this soil and not have had to come here from another country. I’m very thankful, by the way, Ben. I wake up every day thanking the good Lord that I was born here. Why did I have that opportunity, Ben? I cannot answer that. All I know is I am. But… I also know that that doesn’t take away from the fact that we need strong borders and we need to make sure that we’re taking care of our own. If we can bring others in based on a merit based system and they can contribute to what we have going on, then you know what? I’m all for that, Ben. But on the same token, I also understand that. As much as our heart goes out to all of these different countries and people that are facing adversity and so on, and our heart does, that also doesn’t mean I throw the door open and just let them in.
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Yeah, and ICE will probably make some honest mistakes, is what I call them. There’ll be people that slide through the cracks, that get shipped away, that probably deserve a chance here, and there’ll be other people that are troublemakers that that don’t get thrown out, I’d like to track them down myself.
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Ben, I would go as far as to say this, even, just to throw one more thing into what you’re saying. Those that are here on government dole that are not willing to work, how about we do a swap for those that want to come in and work, and we’ll send those that don’t back to where they came from?
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I like it. A trade-out program. I’m good with a trade. Yeah. Yeah, they do that, you know, and in a way, I mean… In a sad way, that’s what’s going on in Israel. They want to give back a bunch of proven Hamas terrorists, hundreds of them. for innocent hostages.
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Right. Right. Anyways, I mean, these are things that, you know, we can talk about and glad we can, glad we live in a free country where we have that ability to do so. Glad that we have an administration now, Ben, that’s going to allow you and I to continue to talk about that openly, including social media and other places, because we were getting very close to the point, Ben, with the last administration of you and I not being able to have that conversation.
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And even when Obama was in, I heard him say publicly a few times, you know, if people are saying things against the administration and policies, we want to know about it. And candidly, I had some trepidation about speaking my mind, although you could probably tell from the times I call, I’m a bit of a loud mouth, but now I feel freer to speak.
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Yes. And that should never be… No, Ben, in this country, we should always be free to speak whatever we want, and I’ve said it numerous times, no matter what somebody wants to say, they have the freedom to say it. They could be way out there in left field on whatever it is they’re believing and preaching and saying, you know what, on the same token, this country gives them the right to do so.
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And then finally… I think the word’s getting out that there’s a new sheriff. Like the FDA, you know, RFK Jr. is bringing out that basically, I could have told you this years ago, our food is like a poison system. It’s a plague. And the FDA came out the other day, a couple days ago, and they said, oh, you know, we’ve discovered that red dye, there’s a possible link to cancer. And I’m thinking, well, you’ve probably known that about 20 years.
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Or more.
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And now, I remember he mentioned red dye specifically. And look, I love all that junk food, but when you have it so mainstream, and it’s so tempting, and sugar is so addictive, and all these things, It’s about time we do what the European, many European countries do. Yep. And outlaw poisonous things in our food.
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Yeah, and you know me, Ben. I’m not one to be like Europe because a lot of what they do I don’t care for because it’s very socialistic. On the same token, some of the things you and I are talking about right now where we know what’s best for… for our citizenry, we should be protecting them. That’s one of the roles of government, by the way, is to do so. And yes, we like freedom of choice and we like the ability to have a free market and so on. But on the same token, when we know there’s things out there that are literally poisoning and killing our population, why are we not stopping that?
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It’s common sense, like Trump says. And, you know, this… Part of our form of government, I don’t know if you’ll be able to clean this up or not. These lobbyists get in there and they go, hey, it’s legal. You know, we can do this and that. And I’m thinking, yeah, that’s part of what’s the backdrop that in the regulatory state and the people in that. swamp area have created this mess.
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Yes. Well, really quick, Ben, unfortunately, far too many staffers and or politicians, once they’re done, go and work for the lobbyists because they know how the system works.
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And in my opinion, if you’re a lobbyist and you even make a phone call or drive by D.C., you even text somebody, send them a postcard, That ought to be five years in prison, not jail, prison. And, you know, that system, that’s one flaw I see because these special interests claw their way in.
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They do.
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And I see how it happens because they want to get their niche, their little guarantee.
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of income and laws and power and we’ve seen ben that you know not to change subjects but it goes along with what you’re talking about part of what’s going on in california right now in regards to wildfires and so on is because those special interest environmental groups have gotten their way far too many times and in turn what we just saw happen happened and really do in part to them in fact ben uh if I were some of those folks that lost homes and so on. I would be looking at lawsuits against class action lawsuits against some of these environmental advocacy groups and so on. You know, some of these activists that are out there, I would be looking at class action lawsuits if I were them.
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I agree. And I think it’s I want to say Seattle or somewhere. They’re starting to do some class action against their own city government.
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If you want to stop some of, at least in that world, I know the lobbying thing is a whole other conversation, but if you want to stop some of these extreme groups from having their way, we need to start bringing some class action lawsuits against them when they get their way, and then it affects public adversely.
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I agree. But then it gets into a big legal entanglement, and it takes years to settle out.
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Although, here’s the thing, though, Ben. It would be a taste of their own medicine, because they do that on the other side. I mean, they start lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, eating up valuable taxpayer money, time, and so on. So why don’t we do the same thing back to them? Give them a taste of their own medicine.
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I’m in. I like it. I really do.
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We need to do that. I was thinking of that over the weekend. I’m like, okay, I was reading things over the weekend where a lot of what California especially is experiencing, and we see some of it even here in Colorado, is where these special interest groups, Sierra Club, etc., they get their own way. They file a lawsuit. That lawsuit wins. They can stop this. They can stop that. This doesn’t take place. That doesn’t take place. We can’t clean up the brush because of this bush or this plant or this whatever. And they win these things. And then we see what’s happened in California happen. And I get it. There’s mismanagement on the part of the fire end of things and so on, the control of. But on the same token, Ben, if some of these environmental groups didn’t get their way and or had some accountability when they do, they might think twice about doing that the next time.
SPEAKER 12 :
You know, and I think that’s more territory for people like the American Center for Law and Justice that have been. Yes.
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And then my feeling is some of those groups really need to look at some of this stuff hard and go after some of those individuals that are out there and say, listen, you know, we can put a stop to this in the future. We can’t change where things are at right now. But you know what? Maybe there’s a way to even get you some compensation with a class action lawsuit against X, Y, Z environmental group.
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As soon as something hits somebody in the pocketbook, they figure it out.
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And a lot of that going forward, and my point, Ben, would be it would change because as these environmental groups start to fight some of this stuff on their own, they wouldn’t have the money to do some of the other things that they are doing, and they’d get a taste of their own medicine.
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And part of it, too, is the gullibility of people. Oh, it’s the Sierra Club. They put out this fancy little calendar. They want to save these poor little seals. And it all sounds good on paper, but the reality is they, and look, I’m not all in for big business.
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No, no, no, you are like me. I mean, we need to be environmentally conscious of the things going on around us. My dad taught me, leave things better than the way you found them. That should be our number one goal every day. And as long as we take that approach, Ben, we should be in good shape.
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Yeah. Anyway, you probably got other people.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush. John and Cheyenne, you’re next. Go ahead.
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Hey, John, before I get into it, I got a question. Yes. We get a federal law passed where if it’s below zero and somebody says, is it cold enough out there, you can punch them in the mouth.
SPEAKER 06 :
That wouldn’t be fine with me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because, I mean… Who says no? I want it colder when it’s below zero.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know what, John? When it’s below freezing, it’s cold enough for me.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. My dog decided he wanted to try to walk to Colorado when I got home from work tonight, and the wind chill was my disturbance. Oh, boy. He did what he had to do, and I was like, let’s go. Time to go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Unbelievable.
SPEAKER 09 :
You’re not going that way. But what do you do? You love your dog.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the one thing. That’s a fact. So… There’s a law that was passed in the 70s. It’s really hard to find, but I heard a while back a talk show was talking about this law where the federal government puts a whole bunch of money aside to allow these environmentalist groups and other groups to sue the federal government. So in essence, we’re giving the money to these groups to sue us.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s a bunch of garbage.
SPEAKER 09 :
So there’s law firms out there. that all they do is specialize in suing the U.S. government for whether it’s Sierra Club or whatever.
SPEAKER 06 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 09 :
If that law was overturned, half these lawsuits would go away right away because they don’t have the money to fund them. True. Good point. And I’ve been looking online, but I just can’t find what it’s called. But it’s been out there since the 70s. I think it went in maybe under Nixon. You know, when the EPA was just starting up and they were trying to help people to fight, you know, pollution and everything. But it’s gone overboard. I mean, what was it, 21? There’s a national forest in California. And the Forest Service said, we’re going to go in and we’re going to do some good forestation. We’re going to clear. And the Sierra Club came right out and put a lawsuit in. And the Forest Service said, you know what? The heck with it. They didn’t even bother fighting it. They said, plans canceled.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I’m reading an article right now that says suing the EPA can be a lucrative business. The Equal Access to Justice Act, as well as other cost-shifting provisions in the Clean Air Act, allow activist groups to collect their attorneys’ fees in these suits if they can show that the EPA’s position was not substantially justified. So I think that’s your answer, John.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, so we’re paying these groups to sue us.
SPEAKER 06 :
Essentially, we are. Taxpayers are, absolutely, yes.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right, and these law firms, they specialize in it, and all they do is sue the federal government and make millions of dollars probably every year. Yeah, that needs ended. That needs to go away.
SPEAKER 05 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because, you know, if the Sierra Club, and I’m going to pick on them because they’re the worst when it comes to the forest.
SPEAKER 05 :
True.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, look at California. If they did some… constructive forestation.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, but really quick, the reason they didn’t is because of what you’re talking about. An environmental group, I don’t know if it was the Sierra Club, if they were a part of that or not, but I know there was a particular environmental group that sued over a particular plant that if they deforested, this plant would be, you know, quote-unquote, you know, obsolete. It wouldn’t exist in that area any longer and so on. And so they sued and successfully won, and that’s why they don’t deforest some of those things.
SPEAKER 09 :
Mm-hmm. And all you have to do, if you do any wilderness area hiking… is there are every forest, I would say, from probably I-70 north to halfway north of Colorado, Medicine Bowl route, Arapahoe, Roosevelt. If you get off, like, the favorite trails in Estes or, you know what I mean, and get into some of the wilderness areas, those trails, every one of them is one match away from a major forest fire.
SPEAKER 05 :
Very true.
SPEAKER 09 :
Because they don’t go in and clean that stuff up. Right.
SPEAKER 06 :
forest fires are the way that the forest rejuvenates itself john when we were kids i mean this is granted i’m old but years and years ago you know 50 years ago or so you know here in colorado when we had the last beetle infestation all the way back in the 70s you know the government would come through forest service would come through they would mark certain trees you could go up and cut and you could take home and there was a rule where if you did you had to tarp that wood for x amount of days to not allow the beetles out and so on and so anyways You were supposed to do all these different things, which, by the way, I think the majority of people actually did, and they ended up with a lot of cleaning of forests by just Joe Homeowner that wanted to go ahead and heat their home with a wood stove or whatever it happened to be that would go up and do a lot of that forestry work for them, free of charge, by the way, and we ended all that nonsense.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, there was a couple of years ago a medicine bowl route north of US-40 into Wyoming. You know where I’m talking about. Yeah, I know. They had along a couple of forest roads, they had piles and piles of logs that they had pulled out, bark beetle kill logs. And there were signs that said free. And they were in eight-foot sections. And you could just go up and load as much as you could fit in your truck. And they were giving it away. And people were going up and taking it. And I guess the same kind of rules. It was bark beetle kill. You had a tarp for six months or whatever. I think you had a tarp for a season. But I knew a guy that heated wood. He goes, any wood that’s just pulled out, I want to tarp it and cure it for a season because then it will get all the moisture out and it will keep my chimney cleaner.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Yeah, I know. I mean, as kids, we did – I mean, my dad heated his home, our home, I should say, most winters by doing exactly what we’re talking about, John. And we would make, I don’t know, two or three different trips every year. you know, up to the mountains, different areas where there was big beetle kill and you could, you know, log those things. And we’d take, you know, trailer and a truck. And sometimes there’d be a group of us that would go up and, you know, do some of that. And, you know, before you know it, a lot of those areas got really cleaned and thinned out and it helped with the beetle kill and the tender that was there. Look at our forest now and how much beetle kills up there that’s just standing.
SPEAKER 09 :
They’re a mess, John. And it’s so bad because you want to go out and, you know, I wrote a letter a couple of years ago to, uh, my congresswoman and the senators, there’s a forest road in Wyoming that goes out to the Big Sandy Trailhead. And this is one of the most famous trailheads because it goes into the Cirque of the Towers. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of that. It’s like one of those, if you look it up, it’s one of those bucket list places that everybody wants to hike into. John, if you were still hiking, I’d say this is the most beautiful backpack you would ever do. You get it. I mean, magnificent. But the forest road was in such bad shape to go nine miles took almost an hour. Wow. And I wrote my representatives, and they said, well, the Forest Service says they don’t have the funding. Well, all forest roads are fire roads. And you’re telling me they don’t have the funding where if that forest, and there was a lot of dead stuff in there, goes up, the fire engines and the fire trucks, guys and the wildland fire guys are going to take an hour to get to a trailhead.
SPEAKER 06 :
And really quick, John, the whole funding thing just irks me when I hear that excuse. It’s like, okay, wait a minute. We can fund sex change operations for the military. We can run DEI all throughout government. We can fund this. We can fund that. We can spend billions of dollars on Ukraine, but we can’t take care of some of what you and I are talking about, which at the end of the day, again, saves homes, property, and lives.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, and even if, well, I don’t know if you saw that Bill Maher thing from Friday night, his intro. He said that the 2020 fire that they had, they did a study in 22, destroyed all the carbon savings that they did over the previous 20 years in just one fire season. Yeah. wouldn’t you think the environmentalists that want to save the planet would want to stop the carbon from the forest fires?
SPEAKER 06 :
No, because really, let’s face it, John, at the end of the day, as we’ve said many times, it’s the goal of these environmental groups to, by the way, not save the planet in emissions or any of that, any way, shape, or form. It’s their goal to eliminate you and I. I mean, let’s face it, at the end of the day, They don’t care if every one of those homes gets burned down, because in their world, that’s a win, because now most of those people won’t rebuild, they’ll move out, and or an Agenda 21 project comes in instead, and that’s just what they’d rather have anyways. So yeah, that’s their end goal.
SPEAKER 09 :
And I guarantee that half of those houses that burned down in California don’t get rebuilt, because people aren’t going to be able to rebuild them.
SPEAKER 06 :
I would agree with you. In fact, John, I would go as far as to say if a third get rebuilt, I’ll be surprised.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, I would too. Well, how many houses of the ones that were destroyed in Louisville two years ago are the Marshall Fire?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, as I drive through there, it’s a third to a half roughly, and there’s some areas where hardly anything has been done.
SPEAKER 09 :
And it’s because, one, and you talk about it, underinsured, or they looked at it and they don’t want to do it. Come on, every year you remember growing up, there was at least two good wind storms going through Boulder. Oh, absolutely, if not more. If not more, but you’ve got to prepare for it like today. It wasn’t windy. It was just bitter cold. This cold front’s moving out. It’s blowing 40 miles an hour outside right now because the wind’s going to come up when it does that, and the Rocky Mountains make it worse. That’s right. The downslope on the mountains.
SPEAKER 05 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 09 :
So when you buy or live in a place like that, The people of Boulder County should have insisted that you’ve got to maintain those open spaces, but they just let it grow wild, didn’t they?
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s what they wanted. The majority of those people love that.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, and then they lost their house.
SPEAKER 06 :
They lost everything.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s right. They lost everything, and they want the government to come and help. That’s right.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’ve got to run, John. No, good conversation. I’ll get one more call squeezed in here before we’ve got to run. Jeff, go ahead, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hey, how you doing?
SPEAKER 06 :
Good, sir.
SPEAKER 10 :
Good, good. Yeah, just you guys talking about the one that’s got my high chap a little bit. He’s talking about the funding and everything. And I don’t know if you’ve been up, but I’m working up to the casinos, right? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 06 :
I go up there.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know the bike path that we’ve got in there? Have you seen that thing?
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, yes, I have.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it comes down. I wonder how much money Jeffco has spent on that.
SPEAKER 06 :
A lot.
SPEAKER 10 :
I really do, because you, a lot. A lot of them. A lot. You know what I mean? And that is just… You know what I mean? Because you can see the… The funding issue, oh, we don’t have the money.
SPEAKER 06 :
We don’t have the money to do what we need to do forest-wise, but we can build that. And again, Jeff, here’s my point on that. If we want to do that and there’s funding for it after these other things are done, build your dang bike path. I could really care less. If you’ve got all the roads fixed, if you’ve got everything all dialed in as far as that goes, if you’ve got the forest taken care of and managed, fine. Build your bike path. The problem is we’re not doing those other things.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, we’re not. And the thing that’s sad, too, is that the people that do work up, I hadn’t worked up there for quite a few years. I’ve been doing the auto detail and stayed away, but I just picked up a gig up there. I do the pit boss, you know what I mean? I’ve been doing it for years. But I’ve been talking to these guys, and I’m lucky. I go up early in the morning, so I’m not getting in the traffic or whatever. But these guys that have been working up there for all these last three, four years now, I mean, it’s a traffic, just what a nightmare. I mean, it adds an hour, at least an hour or more, you know, to your commute is this bike path. And it’s just, it’s lame. And they don’t have, and they’re not putting in an extra lane or anything, right? They wouldn’t put in it or a train or something that everybody can use. You know what I mean? But no, we want to put in a bike path. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, they expect everybody to hop on one of those buses going up and back, which, by the way, Jeff, I see a lot of those roll up and down that are lucky to be half full.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s my other issue. I mean, again, to your point and to John’s point, and, you know, we can go backwards and, you know, all the way back to Ben’s point. The reality is we spend money as a country on all sorts of things that frankly, at the end of the day, don’t benefit the citizenry at all. And yet don’t do things that we should be doing that would benefit us. Yeah. That’s our problem. Our priorities are out of whack is our problem.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’ve got to take and learn from California on this, man. I, I had a friend. I lost a friend in this fire, man.
SPEAKER 06 :
I did.
SPEAKER 10 :
I have a buddy. Two different houses I lived in, yeah, went down.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, man.
SPEAKER 10 :
And, yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, as a side note, Jeff, I think, you know, in this state, not to tell the next person running for governor in the state of Colorado on our side, but I think you could take a lot of what just happened in California. It’s going to be fresh in people’s minds over the next couple of years. You could literally run on that single issue in Colorado and probably win if you did it correctly.
SPEAKER 10 :
I think so. We need to, especially for our people here in Jeffco, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 10 :
Peterson, whoever the gal is, I mean, it just, oh, man, it is. We have to learn from these. Because our forests are exactly like theirs. Yes, they are. They’re different. I mean, obviously different trees, but I worked up in those hills in the land survey and stuff, and I saw the chaparral. I lived in Malibu for like seven years doing land surveying. And the amount of brush and everything, it is. People are not, this is fact. I mean, the brush up there was so dry. Yep. And it’s little sticks, you know what I mean? That’s right. Millions of little sticks is what it is.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. And people wonder, well, how can that little bit of, you know, sort of like what happened in Louisville and Superior and those areas, you know, how can those field fires, quote unquote, you know, how can they light, you know, my house on fire? Well, it’s a spark. by the way, is all it takes in ember. And when you get the wind blowing like it does, and all it takes is one little area of one neighborhood to start burning, Jeff, with 100 mile an hour winds, and pretty soon it goes house to house to house to house. That’s how it works.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yep. And you alluded to a point I heard you the other day, Todd, because you went through this. You lost a home. And you say, and this is, I didn’t think of this, but you are On point, you say a lot of times it’s the wind gets going and a window breaks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, it’s looking for oxygen.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because the heat or whatever in the house burns from the inside out.
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely, it burns from the – yeah, and you see pictures and things of that, and we don’t talk near enough about that, not that there’s a lot you can do. I mean, that’s just what the fire does. It’s seeking oxygen. It gets its way in any way it can, open door, something that blows through, a window that breaks, whatever the case may be, and boom, now it’s burning from the inside out.
SPEAKER 10 :
Exactly right. We’ve got to get better at getting these forests. Thanks, buddy.
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All right, one thing I didn’t get a chance to talk about today that maybe I’ll get to tomorrow, and there’s plenty of conversation on this already, and anybody that follows it knows that TikTok was down for about 12 hours. Donald Trump tweeted some – not tweeted. He went on through social, sent out his own message basically saying that we’re going to do whatever we can to get things back up and running. I’ve read all sorts of articles on the folks that are now hosting that data. Are they breaking the law by doing so? I don’t know. All I know is it was down. It’s back up. What will this administration do moving forward when it comes to that? I have no idea. I’ll talk a little bit more about that with Andy tomorrow. But, again, I go all the way back to that particular ruling in the law in the first place that, by the way, was made by a bunch of knuckleheads that know nothing about technology and shouldn’t have even been touching that end of things anyways. But I’ll leave it at that. I’ll come back tomorrow. Guys, have a great night. It’s a great day in America. This is Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
