This episode takes listeners on a profound journey, examining the necessity of transparency and responsibility in political proceedings. Exploring how digital anonymity has changed public discourse, John and his guests dissect the world of ‘keyboard warriors’ and the societal need for accountability. The conversation also touches upon recent debates around protest culture and the actions required for meaningful engagement in political life. Listeners are invited to rethink their stance on these issues and consider the broader implications of political actions in today’s world.
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All right, we are back. Hour number three, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Myself, Andy Pate, Charlie Grimes. And to kind of finish up, Andy, on that last hour, I feel, and this is for those of you that maybe weren’t listening to us at the top of the hour there, we were talking about some of the things that Trump wants to do when it comes to some of these college campuses, okay? Yeah. And Obama’s all upset because he feels like Harvard and some of these other colleges are doing the right thing in not listening to what the Trump administration wants done on these campuses. And as I said earlier, basically what Trump wants is a mask ban. They want changes to programs and departments that will end the anti-Semitic harassment, fuel it, and they want to eliminate DEI programs altogether. Now, Andy was saying, okay, why the mask thing? And we talked about this a little bit at the top of the hour, but for those of you that Couldn’t hear us because we’re not on air then. I feel like because a lot of times liberals, and Andy knows this as well as anybody, liberals especially will hide behind those masks and be a lot more aggressive. And we’re not just talking, you know, the medical masks like people wore during COVID. We’re talking, you know, ski masks and the like, and they can put scarves over their face and do all these things to basically hide their identity. Yeah, because when you’re hidden, Andy, you can be a lot more aggressive. Yeah. That’s why Trump wants those eliminated.
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You know, I’ve never really understood this either. If you’re going to do a protest, own it. Put your face out there. They’re not going to do that. Oh, why not? Are you too afraid? Are you too afraid? Look, if you want to go out there, you say, I’m protesting because I’m brave. Well, if you’re brave, put your face out there.
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I agree with you.
SPEAKER 09 :
This is how I feel about people on social media who use ghost accounts and all this. Keyboard cowboys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you want to go bashing somebody, go ahead. Put your name on it. Your real name.
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree. I agree, Andy. That is the one thing. You know me. I’m a technology guy. Love it. I love the Internet, all the things it has brought, the things that it’s been able to do to further things along for people, make life easier and so on. Yes, I think that is absolutely awesome, and I’m all for it, with one exception, keyboard cowboys.
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They drive me nuts.
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Keyboard cowboys have ruined the Internet experience for a lot of people, the bullying that happens from these people. And the reality is, and I’ve said this for years, the majority of those people wouldn’t say those things to your face. No, they wouldn’t. But they get real emboldened behind that keyboard.
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Right, because there’s a whole world between them and you, and they know it. Look, I love debating online. I love it. But bring something, okay? If you’re going to disagree with a point, say why. Okay? I can’t argue with you, Andy. I mean, a couple days ago, can I mention a name? Sure. Hope Scheppelman. Okay. A couple days ago, she attacked a guy who’s, by the way, going to be co-hosting with me in a couple weeks here, Todd Watkins. And he had put out basically a timeline of events of what led up to the lawsuits that they’re going through right now. Correct. And he’ll talk about this when he’s on air.
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Good.
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Anyway, she goes on there and says it’s full of lies. right you know yeah her and i have been debating back and forth via email so i can probably talk about some of that as well yeah but keep going well i went on there and i basically said two things i said number one hope um if it’s full of lies would you please say what they are a little specificity here okay what are the lies but no man keyboard warrior all you gotta do is say yeah it’s full of lies full of lies and i’m like what are the lies and i said and by the way hope uh You know, this is a pattern for you because you’re the same person who claimed I am not Betsy Freedom. There’s this person named Betsy Freedom, an actual person who is now stalking me. And I said, look, I’ve never drawn a conclusion on that. But could you please provide just one single contact point, anyone, anywhere who can verify any of your story? Because she made it a huge thing. She filed police reports. Without any proof that this person even existed. What I’m saying is this. If you’re going to be a keyboard warrior, back it up. Back it up with something. Anything. Throw some stats out. Whatever. Back it up. I can’t stand these people who all they do is they go on there and they throw insults and they can’t back up anything they say.
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and I can go through a litany of things that Hope and I have been going back and forth on, and I’m sure she’s not listening. I’m sure this might get back to her, but I went through a number of things with Hope and literally asked, and maybe I can do this on a later date, on a later show, because it’ll take me some time to do it, but essentially went through point by point certain things that I had questions to. I actually included Andy in some of those questions that I was asking. Things like, for example, who formed Rhino Watch? What actually was going on with the money at the time that you took over, that Dave took over?
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Why did they have the entire Colorado GOP email listing with which they could launch their business?
SPEAKER 03 :
So here’s the funny thing about all this is some of the answers I got back from Hope were no. were, let’s just say, less than conclusive on what she actually said in regards to some of these things. For example, her answer to the Rhino Watch thing was, I don’t know, I didn’t get elected chair until later in the year, so I had no idea of exactly what happened with that, other than the fact that she knows Chuck and Julie are actually in charge of it. That’s all she said. Yeah, in other words,
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Yeah. In other words, she knows, but she’s going to claim she doesn’t because she came in later. Right. You were in the office the whole time and you have no idea who helped co-launch Rhino Watch or how they got the email listing.
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I asked about the fact that I went through the FEC reports and the big narrative that was out talking about how KBB and the last regime left them in this world of hurt when it came to monies and so on. And I asked if… basically went over all that and said, I don’t see any of that recorded in the FEC reports, which, by the way, those are all official reports that get sent to the government. And the answer that I got back was, well, those reports aren’t entirely accurate, and you’d really need to talk to the treasurer at that time to really get a true picture of what was actually going on, because there is, you know, quote-unquote subaccounts that could be affected, and it was a bunch of nonsense, by the way, when it’s all said and done. And here’s my point with all of this. If you’re the vice chair… Isn’t it your responsibility to also know how the money is being spent? Yes. Thank you.
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Number one, it’s your responsibility to know how the money is being spent. Number two, John, and this is a biggie. You guys, in your comments about the reports about your debts, about all this, you made serious accusations against your predecessor, Christy Burton Brown. You said that she basically stole a bunch of money and gave it to her friends. Okay, look. If that’s true, how come you never took her to court for a single one of those charges? So you threw these charges, once again, we’re talking keyboard warriors, right? You threw these charges all over the internet, right? And you never brought her into court on one of them? Why not? If you had all the evidence, if it was going to back you up, why didn’t you go get that money back?
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That’s right. Why?
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Because you’re full of it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. Well, I asked her about the endorsements. Why did you as a party and as leadership endorse certain candidates? Of course, she comes back to Resolution No. 10, endorsement of all assembly candidates for the state officer. Which, again, I haven’t answered this back yet, but my comeback to that is just because they said it’s right doesn’t mean it is.
SPEAKER 09 :
Well, yeah, and who are you to punish petition candidates who reach out to far more Republicans than Assembly candidates?
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Putting reason into your afternoon drive, this is John Rush.
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All right, we are back. Myself and Andy, Dan, and Blackhawk, go ahead, sir.
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It’s called transparency. If she says sub-accounts and it’s all hidden in the sub-accounts, let’s have an audit done on the books.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thank you, Dan. That’s my thought process. And really, for everybody listening, we’re talking about the whole Colorado GOP and when they took over, they were blaming the past administration on the fact that there wasn’t any money and they couldn’t pay your rent and they couldn’t do that. And the reality, Dan, is I’ve been through the FEC reports pretty thoroughly. They don’t show that.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, I know an auditor who would be more than willing to go look at the books.
SPEAKER 03 :
I really feel like, Dan, at some point this current administration needs to have that done because I’m still confused as to, quote-unquote, where things were upside down because that’s not what the FEC reports show.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so, yeah, if they don’t know what they’re doing, then they need to get out of office because when you’re the treasurer, whoever the current treasurer is, It’d be interesting to see what their credentials are. Do we know what their credentials are?
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know. Do you know what Tom’s, the past treasurer, Tom Bjork, what do you say his last name?
SPEAKER 09 :
I think it’s Bjorklund.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bjorklund. I don’t know what his credentials are, Dan. I don’t know. I think he’s an accountant, but I don’t know.
SPEAKER 09 :
I’m sure he’s an accountant, but he is very wholly devoted to the previous leadership.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, the cause.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay, there’s a difference between being an accountant and being an accountant who’s a CPA.
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I agree.
SPEAKER 21 :
Okay? Because I deal with accountants in my tax business, and some of them are good, some of them are not good. Some of them don’t have a clue. And I’m not trying to throw the bookkeeper accountants under the bus.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, Dan, I mean, there are times where, you know, I am not a CPA. I am not an accountant. I know enough about it to know what needs to happen, what the books need to look like, what a balance sheet should look like, whether there’s a problem, what we need to do to fix it, what a P&L should look like, what this does to that, and so on. I mean, I understand all of that, but no, I am not an accountant. But like you, it amazes me. how often I’ll find something that’s out of whack on a balance sheet, or I’ll find it out of whack in a P&L, and I’m like, okay, what’s going on here? And I can’t get a direct answer, even from the quote-unquote accountant. It’s like, guys, this isn’t that complicated. What’s going on here?
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And if you have such an airtight case, why didn’t you take it to court? Why didn’t you get your money back from KBB?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, Dan, did everything I just say make sense?
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, because I… I actually am a treasurer for a nonprofit, and I do a 990, which is the nonprofit insurance.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, this has to be done every year, yep.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, so I was going previous years, and there was this adjustment that was made, and I’m like, where is this adjustment coming from? And I think what it was is they couldn’t get the books balanced, so they made an adjustment.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 21 :
And that’s not how you do it.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s not how you’re supposed to do it.
SPEAKER 21 :
There’s a reason. Right. There’s a reason why it’s out of adjustment, and you’ve got to figure out what it is.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Why? Where is it off and why?
SPEAKER 21 :
Right. And that’s where a quote-unquote accountant can do it, but if they don’t understand, you can be an accountant. There’s a difference between an accountant and an accountant who understands, who can do the auditing of the books and understands what’s happening.
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Right.
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So, and I don’t know, and of course the current administration wouldn’t, from what I can tell, would not allow an independent person or an independent firm or whatever to go in and audit the books, from what I can tell.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would say that you, up until now, you are correct on that. Yes, that is correct.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, so let’s get this, let’s get the books opened up and let’s see what’s going on. And we need a doge. for the Colorado Republican Party to find out what’s going on.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and here’s another reason why I think we do, and let me go ahead and just, I’ll go ahead and throw this in there really quick. Hang on, I got a copy and paste because I can’t read it off the website. It’s too small, too small a print. So Tom is a, this is on the, this is the bio that’s on the GOP website still because that website hasn’t been updated because I’m guessing passwords and stuff still hasn’t been conferred to the new folks that are there now. Anyways. which I don’t understand why, because that should be very quick. Anyways, Tom Bjorklund, a graduate of Northern Arizona University, BSBA in finance, served as treasurer for multiple political campaigns, which, no offense, Dan and Andy mean nothing to me, and is currently the CEO of Tactical Data Solutions, a company focused on data outreach for political campaigns, including financial and reporting data. Moreover, he has 19 years of experience in several roles, including campaign manager, treasurer, strategist, and data consultant. Tom enjoys shooting, sporting, blah, blah, blah. Bottom line, Dan, no, he’s not an accountant. He’s not a CPA. No, he is not. Bottom line, Dan, I’m sorry to say this. I’ll go out on a limb and say this. Bottom line, I could probably look at a financial report in a P&L and know more about it than Tom does.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yeah, because you’ve had business.
SPEAKER 03 :
Because I do it every day.
SPEAKER 21 :
And you understand them.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep, you understand them. I look at them quite frequently. So, yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, I’m not saying that to be boastful, Dan, at all. I can just tell you that, again, to your point, I do this stuff every single day, not only in my own business, but I look at all the people that I coach and look at their businesses and how are we doing and what’s going on and what needs fixed. And when it’s tax time, what are we doing? And on and on and on we go. I do it daily. I’m here to tell you Tom doesn’t.
SPEAKER 21 :
No. He’s just done it to get into a position that he wants to be in.
SPEAKER 03 :
There you go. You’re correct.
SPEAKER 21 :
Yep.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Thank you for that. I appreciate the backup in that, Dan. No, thank you very much. Paul and Cheyenne, go ahead. Go ahead, Paul. Paul, do we have you? You were there a second ago. No, are you there now, Paul? Okay. There we go. We got you now. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 20 :
All right. I was wanting to ask Andy about something. Yeah. I don’t know how you guys… Think about raising the age for Social Security to whatever, 70 or whatever.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, not instantly, of course. You would scale gradually over a number of years, yeah.
SPEAKER 20 :
Okay, but, I mean, ordinarily I’d be all for that, but there are certain people, well, like in my case, January 22nd, June 22nd of 22, I did some bad things with my back at work. So I wound up having an L345, S1, and S2 fusion. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
the point where you’ve got a injury a disablement something along those lines you need to take a different path through social security than somebody like you know andy who’s going to be almost 62 here and is as healthy as a horse well i’m 64 and uh what’s going to happen i found out i just i mean the only thing i want if i ever had to retire social security is all i got i have nothing else i don’t have four which i don’t have i don’t have none of that gotcha
SPEAKER 20 :
But I’d only get like $1,400 a month.
SPEAKER 03 :
Got it.
SPEAKER 20 :
Now, the job that I’m working at, I’m supposed to go back to work on the 23rd of this month. If by chance I can’t perform my job, I’m a maintenance mechanic. They’re going to let me go for some reason. And what do I do then? Hmm. I would lose my house.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, first, really quick, just a little.
SPEAKER 09 :
But what you’re talking about is a functional disability.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, hang on really quick, Paul. First things first. They can’t do what you’re saying, so you need to keep really, and this is legal advice, even though I’m not an attorney, but I’m an employer, so I know how some of this stuff works. First of all, make sure you’ve got all your records, all your ducks in a row, including even recording some conversations at times if things come up along those lines, because legally they can’t fire you for that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, no, they won’t fire me for that, but they’ll figure some other reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, even if it’s a retaliatory, what they call that is a retaliatory dismissal because of an injury, you could go get an attorney and win all day long. So they cannot do that, Paul. That’s illegal.
SPEAKER 20 :
How can I prove that?
SPEAKER 03 :
that’s where attorneys, like I say, record everything that goes on. And I hate to tell you to just be a big snitch, but if you feel this is coming, you need to be to protect yourself. Make sure you don’t get caught in that. So, A, you know, no offense, but if you’re supposed to be to work at 8 o’clock, be there at 755 and on and on we go. I mean, don’t give them any reasons to let you go. Don’t violate any policies and things like that. And then if all of a sudden they drum up something, you’ve got a great case. But, yeah, no offense, if you’re tardy five days in a row and that’s their policy and you’re not allowed to be tardy and three strikes you’re out, well, that’s different.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah. The house I bought, I’ve been living here for 12 years now, and I don’t want to lose it. And there are absolutely no programs at all for somebody like me other than Social Security or disability. Disability and Social Security, no two different between those two. Disability will give you full Social Security even though I’m 64. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right, that’s correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
That’d be about $1,450 a month for me.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re correct.
SPEAKER 20 :
My mortgage is over $1,000.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, no, you still need the work and so on. And again, your place of business, who you’re working for, legally cannot do that. So, A, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over that. Just keep your ducks in a row and keep track of things and make sure you’re dialed in.
SPEAKER 09 :
Hey, Paul, can I ask you a question? How’s your back doing now? Do you feel ready to go back to work? Well…
SPEAKER 20 :
The good thing about it is I’m the head maintenance guy where I work at the TA truck stop. So I pretty much have two other people that work under me that are capable of doing things I shouldn’t be doing. But the turnover here is outrageous. And there’s sometimes I have to do things like unload trucks. We get all our stuff in like Some of those cases of windshield wash fluid and freeze, that thing’s about 75 pounds apiece.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. That’s right.
SPEAKER 20 :
You know, the doctor tells me I can’t, I shouldn’t be lifting anything over 20 pounds. You know? So, I’m thinking, man, you know, if something happens later on down the road, they’re going to want to get rid of me somehow. Like, make up a story of insubordination or… whatever, and, you know, there’s nothing I can do about it. That’s what I’m afraid of.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and that’s what I’m saying. Just, you know, make sure that you toe the line, and if you don’t have any of that, then legally there’s nothing they can do. In other words, be a model employee, and you’ll be fine.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, I’ve been there for six years, so.
SPEAKER 03 :
You should have no problems then, Paul. I would not lose any sleep over it. I think you’ll be fine.
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All right, we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. And we really kind of started the hour off just talking about, you know, keyboard warriors and cowboys and so on. Then we got to talking about the past chair of the Colorado GOP, Hope Schuppelman. Vice chair. Vice chair, sorry. Yes, past vice chair. Past vice chair. And I had asked her some questions, you know, because she had sent out some things to all journalists, basically talking about how this whole lawsuit in the TRO and what had happened, that there was a ton of false information. So I sent a long email basically back and basically said, yeah, no, I’ve got it very well. I’ve been watching this all along. I was one of the first, you know, on air personalities to talk about Dave’s dismissal and removal from the Colorado GOP all the way back in March. Uh, you know, about, about a month after he got started, cause I can see the handwriting on the wall and, and, and, and anyways, it went through a whole long process. And then she responded with a few things. So then I sent back about 10 different questions that I wanted her to answer point by point, i.e. the money that was supposedly a problem when this particular administration, you know, last administration took over from KBB. Uh, How did Rhino Watch itself get established? Who is the party planner, Eric Grossman? Because everything I can read, I’ve never heard of the guy other than him being involved politically, speaking in some different things in Colorado. He’s been a mayor and some things like that, but I’ve never seen him be any kind of an event planner anywhere. By the way, that answer on that one was we saved money by hiring him because we had a full-time person prior that KBB had. So I guess in the end, Andy, why does it matter? That’s basically the answer that I’m getting.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s not answering his credentials.
SPEAKER 03 :
That has nothing to do with that. No, it is not answering. It’s basically sidestepping the answer and basically saying, well, we saved money from the last one because he wasn’t full-time with benefits. That’s not what I asked. I don’t care. And by the way, I’ll say this to everybody. I don’t care about the last administration. Every time somebody calls me or texts me or talks about everybody from Ryan called to KBB and so on, it’s irrelevant, folks. I don’t care about them. They’re gone. They’re done. Those administrations have left the building, Andy. What I was talking about for the past two years, not now, but what I was talking about for two years was Dave and his administration. I didn’t care about the past administrations.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah. You know, they keep talking about past administrations, and yet they did all kinds of actions that none of those administrations did. And yet they want to compare themselves. Okay, really? Did any of those administrations ever have the chair run in a contested primary against other Republicans? Ever.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, never. I just want to give you an example of a question with an answer. Okay. And I said, had the money that was used to start the TRO. That was a temporary restraining order that, again, Hope and her crowd will tell you that. And it’s interesting because I’ve got proof now from Hope in this email. Hope and them will tell you that they didn’t start it. that it was the Watkins, you know… That’s a lie. That it was the Watkins side that actually started all of it. No, that’s not true. In fact, she even admits in this email back to me that I received Sunday that, yes, in fact, they did start it. So what I said was, had that money that was used to start the TRO been used to help local campaigns, how many of them could have actually won? There were several close races… That had just a few, and I looked at all this. Andy and I went through an entire show one day going through these close races. There were a few races that had just a few hundred votes that could have changed the outcome. But rather than that, we spent money on attorneys. And here’s her answer. Let’s stop pretending this is about helping local campaigns. No, yes, it is about helping local campaigns. The comment is not only redundant, it’s intellectually dishonest. That’s what she’s telling me.
SPEAKER 09 :
How? It’s money. You took money out of the hands of our candidates and used it to spend $100,000 trying to save Dave Williams’ backside.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, here’s what she goes on to say. No, it wasn’t. By the way, it wasn’t illegal. No, it was not. They ignored the bylaws. No, they didn’t. No, they did not. Misrepresented themselves as the official party. No, they didn’t. And even raised money fraudulently while pretending to be legitimate officers. No, they didn’t, actually, because they actually, in that particular meeting, won, and according to that meeting, were the new chair, vice chair, and so on. Right. If he had simply let the meeting happen, as some suggest, we would have allowed a total collapse of the rule of law within our organization. This is unacceptable. No.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, come on. A collapse of the rule of law in your organization. Okay. The meeting was supposed to happen back in June. I know. Look, they were supposed to get 25% of the SEC to give signatures, which they did, which you can do in email. Okay. You can do e-signatures. It’s okay. Which they did. They collected that, and then they got a legal quorum to have the meeting. Okay. All you had to do was have the meeting back then right away. By the way, they would not have gotten the 60% to remove Dave. Dave would have won. All right? This is what blows my mind. Dave would have won. The whole thing would have been over. Okay? But instead, they delayed it and delayed it. Here’s one of the delay tactics. They delayed it till, what was it, July 11th or 19th, I forget, just so they could hold the meeting long enough to table the meeting and reschedule it for August 30th, right in the middle of the campaign season. And then they blamed the coup people for having this coup in the middle of campaign season. When it wasn’t, it was well before. They pushed it back. The leadership pushed it back. Dave, the Davidians pushed it back.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. She’s lying. Andy, I sent you this email. You can read through it yourself and see exactly what some of the answers are because you are… The rule of law? You are correct. They are totally just bogus, out-the-door, weird answers when it’s all said and done, including this one. Let me go to this one before I read any of these text messages that are coming in. This is my question. Did I not call you out for illegal campaign activity when you ran the Frisch ad on Facebook? You never admitted that was wrong. Once again, poor leadership on you and your whole team’s part. Not only was it wrong to run the ad without the disclaimer at the end showing who paid for it, you ran it to campaign for Ron Hanks, who, in my opinion, is nothing but a traitor to the party. Here’s her answer. Your comment is not only misleading, it’s flat out a distortion of the facts, and I will not allow you to continue pushing this false narrative. Let’s get the record straight. I did acknowledge that the original video I shared was not the official ad from the Adam Frisch campaign. Actually, folks, no, she never said any of that. She never admitted to any of that. And she did, in fact, take the disclaimer that it was a Frisch campaign ad off of the end of that particular video. And she never acknowledged me that I was correct in calling her out on that at that time. So she said, as soon as I realized that, I took full accountability, removed the video, and uploaded the actual ad from Frisch’s own campaign materials. That’s called integrity. I didn’t hide. I didn’t deflect. I corrected the error. Transparent. Something very few people in politics have ever done.
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, really? Yeah. Let’s get a bit more into it. Here’s what really happened. OK, when she did that, I went online with her and I said, OK, first of all, you cut off the end you hid from your fellow Republicans that this is a Democrat ad. Right. Right. Really? I’d like to have this person’s name. We would like to confirm with this person why they did this, why they gave you this ad with the end clipped off. We would like to talk to this person. No, I have resolved that. No, no, you haven’t resolved that. I want the name of this person so that we can confirm that it was not you. And we also want to know why did this person do this, which is an illegal act.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Nothing. And guess what she did then? She ran. That was the end of it, John. So no, she didn’t own it at the time.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s ridiculous. Anyways, there’s more here that I could go through and read, but it gives me a headache to even read through some of this. And bottom line, I called her out on every single thing that she published out to a lot of journalists and personalities on air in town and really called her out on every single thing. And I got nothing but lame answers back. in my questions to her yep by the way nothing that you could really I mean some of her answers are well you know let’s be frank Jeff Hurd was nothing but a traitor and he’s not an America first candidate and he was running from interviews and blah blah blah blah blah that’s why they endorsed you know Ron Hanks nothing could be farther from the truth by the way Andy yeah
SPEAKER 09 :
Jeff Hurd was a winning candidate. He won in a district that Lauren Boebert was going to lose, so she left that district. And Ron Hanks would have lost big time. He would have gotten absolutely annihilated. That’s right. That’s right. That would be a Democrat seat right now opposing Donald Trump in the U.S. House.
SPEAKER 03 :
Anyways, I should publish all of this, but I won’t do that because I didn’t tell her that I would initially. And I’m not that type of an individual. But I’ll let Andy read through this over the next several days and he can fume over it a little bit. I’ll fume. Some of the answers because he’ll be reading this like you’ve got to be kidding me. Right. But, you know, it just shows you the character of the folks that we had running the party here recently.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, it really does. Thank goodness they’re not in charge anymore.
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It’s time to leave your safe space. This is Rush to Reason on KLZ 560.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, I just got to set the record straight because a couple of you are texting me saying you’re wrong. The original TRO was filed by the Watkins group and not the Dave group. You’re wrong. I’ve got proof even right from Hope Shuppelman. She was the vice chair during that time, and I can read this particular line for you so you can all maybe believe me for a change versus some of the others that are giving you false narratives all the time.
SPEAKER 09 :
Why would the Watkins group file a TRO against their own meeting?
SPEAKER 03 :
You wouldn’t. That doesn’t make any sense. Come on, people. You wouldn’t. Come on. So here’s what it says. This is from Hopes. I’m reading this right from the email she sent me. The temporary restraining order, the TRO, wasn’t filed to suppress dissent. It was filed. To uphold our bylaws, protect the rule of law, and ensure integrity within our party. So, folks, those of you that are listening to me that are saying that Watkins filed first and therefore started spending the money first and the party had to defend itself from them, you are flat out dead wrong. I’ve got Hope’s words right here in front of me in an email that I just read to you proving my point that the party, in fact, started the TRO.
SPEAKER 09 :
Two weeks from today, Todd is going to co-host with me. Please, you folks, go ahead and call in. Talk to Todd.
SPEAKER 03 :
Good luck with that. And I love you guys, but you’re repeating false narratives from inside the party gurus that have been running things for the past two years that, frankly, are completely wrong. And I could go through every one of these answers point by point and prove how wrong they are. Yeah. Stop believing the nonsense that those individuals are putting out because it’s utter… It’s a lie, folks. It is a flat-out lie. Whoever started the lie that the Watkins group started the lawsuit, it’s a flat-out, bold-faced lie. Yeah. And I’ve got hope admitting to the fact that the party, the party, the Colorado GOP, they hired the attorneys. They filed the TRO. Yeah. There you have it. It’s right here in front of me, folks. It’s called Game, Set, and Match.
SPEAKER 09 :
James, why is this so hard for some of you to understand? Well, no, you know, why is it so hard now? Now that you’ve corrected it, you’ve even quoted her. Why would it be so hard for them to simply send in some text saying, sorry, got that one wrong? But they’ll never own it. They’ll never own it.
SPEAKER 03 :
It blows my mind. I don’t know. Somebody also asked, what does the Doge findings and all the waste and so on and the cutting of that, how would that affect Social Security and the insolvency of folks? That’s a big question. I don’t know. I don’t know if anybody knows that answer quite yet. No. Because that money’s not fungible. They would have to find money inside of Social Security itself on the waste, fraud, and abuse. All of the other things they’re finding, like USAID, that doesn’t count for Social Security, correct? Correct. It’s not fungible, I guess I should say.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. No, it is not. Those are totally different accounts.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, again, folks, those of you that are thinking about this whole TRO and all of that, the TRO was filed by the party. They were the first ones to file it. And, again, because of what Andy said, there’s no reason why the other party would file a TRO.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And we have to keep in mind… The reason they filed the TRO. The reason the party launched the lawsuits. Everything was to stop a meeting. A meeting where it was voted upon whether or not to retain Dave and Hope. Okay? That meeting. was declared legal by the courts. Now, they changed the number of votes that you needed, so they didn’t have enough votes. Fine. Okay. But the meeting was legal. So they spent $100,000 to stop or delay a legal meeting. Correct. And that money all came out of the pockets of our candidates.
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct.
SPEAKER 09 :
That’s the bottom line. None of the money from the coup came out of the pockets of our candidates. None. None. Think about that. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 09 :
And they were wrong to try to stop the meeting. She says, oh, it was wrong. We need to return the rule of law. The rule of law said it was a legal meeting, Hope.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay. That’s the rule of law. And by the way, all they had to do was hold the meeting. This is the thing that, you know, set everything else aside, John. Let’s just end it with this. All you had to do was hold the meeting. You would have won. For crying out loud, what are you doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Instead of having the meeting under the bridge to delay the meeting.
SPEAKER 09 :
She had a meeting under a bridge with five people. To delay the meeting.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, because because they felt like there might have been enough people at that meeting that might have gone the other way. Although that probably wasn’t true, Andy.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. She called a meeting in La Plata where she is. She called a meeting of the state central committee. Then they canceled it. Right. And then without announcing it, she went and held the meeting anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
And but that’s the meeting under the bridge.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yeah, well, it wouldn’t have been, but just in case she held the meeting anyway because there were people who didn’t trust her and thought she would hold the meeting anyway even after canceling it. This is unreal. Some of them showed. And so she and her friends went over under a bridge to hide from them and hold their five-person meeting, which, by the way, is not a quorum. No. So how is it a legal meeting? It wasn’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
It wasn’t. You could have sued over that, but that’s a whole other conversation.
SPEAKER 09 :
Right. And it was at that meeting that they finalized the later 831 meeting. I won’t go into that. But, you know, this whole thing is ridiculous.
SPEAKER 03 :
It is. It is. And again, folks, all I’m saying is, you know what? It’s done. It’s over with. I’ve been calling for days removal for almost two years. He’s finally gone. The old administration is gone. There’s a new administration coming in. The big debate now is should this witch hunt that Matt Arnold is running be allowed to continue? I say no. Hope says yes. The reality is it needs to be disbanded. We don’t need to be spending any more money as a party on a bunch of utter nonsense where we’re going after other fellow Republicans for things that we just may not agree upon. That’s the dumbest thing ever. Literally, it’s the dumbest thing ever. I agree. This is like being inside of a church organization, and one person believes one way, and another person believes the other way, and you’re going to now go find an attorney to work for you to go pass judgment upon the person you don’t agree with. That’s essentially what we’re doing here as a party. Right. Am I right in describing it that way, Eddie?
SPEAKER 09 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s utter nonsense, folks. Utter nonsense.
SPEAKER 09 :
You know, there’s one other big thing that they’re circulating all over the place. Hope is doing it and several others. I want to hear what you think about this if we have one minute.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure, go ahead. We’ve got a couple. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 09 :
They are complaining that Brita needs to put out more statements in opposition. to various things that come down from the state capitol.
SPEAKER 03 :
Why?
SPEAKER 09 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 03 :
What’s that going to do?
SPEAKER 09 :
It accomplishes nothing.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, zero.
SPEAKER 09 :
But they’re saying you must take a stand. First of all, Britta takes a stand against, she has taken a stand against all the bad things that have come out of the capitol, obviously. She hates all the legislation that’s coming down from the Democrats and has said so openly. But they want her to issue statement after statement every time one of these new, you know, like the gun legislation. You know, that kind of stuff. Every time it comes out, and I think she did on that. But to them, this is running the party, issuing statements that have no weight to them. They accomplish nothing. Look, folks, if you want to stop what the Democrats are doing down at the Capitol, get Republicans elected.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right.
SPEAKER 09 :
Okay? You can’t just issue statements to fix it. You’re not accomplishing anything. I got news for you. The Colorado GOP is a party, not a protest group. Her job, Britta’s job, is to organize us to win. I don’t care if she makes these stupid statements. Honestly. I’m sure she will, and that’s fine. I’m not against it. That’s fine. But it doesn’t accomplish anything. What do you think?
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with you and the whole statement thing. I mean, the reality is we have radio shows and people like myself that go on air and we talk about a lot of what’s happening down at the Golden Dome and so on. And even then, guys, I talk about a lot of things. But the reality is, and Andy’s correct, until we actually get more legislatures that are with an R next to their name down at the Golden Dome, I can talk until I’m blue in the face. It ain’t going to make a royal rip when it’s all said and done. They’re not going to listen. Why would they? They don’t have to, Andy. They have the numbers. They don’t have to. Look at the last gun bill that went through and Paul has signed. We can talk about this stuff literally until we’re blue in the face. It’s not going to make any difference.
SPEAKER 09 :
Pun intended. That will get shot down in the courts. But they can’t stop it by issuing a statement.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 04 :
We don’t yell at you. We inform you. Now, back to Rush to Reason.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, that’s going to do it for today. Any of you that are texting, there’s going to be things at times where we may agree, we may disagree. At the end of the day, we’re still fighting the same fight. And the only reason why I read some of those things that I had received from Hope was literally to… set the record straight on certain things that are being pushed as a narrative by that side that, frankly, is 100% false and incorrect, and you’re being lied to in some of the things that are being told by those past officers of the party, and I just wanted to set the record straight with that. That’s all.
SPEAKER 09 :
Yep. By the way, the guy who was elected in that coup, Eli Bremer, will be with me the second hour next Tuesday.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Guys, with that, have a great night. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560.
