In this revealing episode of A Guy’s Perspective, explore how imposter syndrome impacts various aspects of life. Through engaging discussion, our hosts tackle how it’s possible to achieve top-level success while deep down feeling like a fraud. Discover strategies to harness nervous energy into humor and productivity, and gain insight into how faith and self-comparison play roles in the imposter syndrome experience.
SPEAKER 08 :
I can’t hide myself. I don’t expect you to understand. I just hope I can explain what it’s like to be a man.
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m your favorite janitor, favorite mama’s boy I’m Reno, a local business owner
SPEAKER 04 :
And I am impersonating Heath Hine, the actor in Colorado. I’m an imposter.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s funny. And so imposter syndrome, the only reason why I even thought of this was… One of my finals for college this semester asked a question, so I had to write about it, like what exactly is imposter syndrome? And I had no idea what it was.
SPEAKER 11 :
So you were taking a test for being an engineer and they asked you this question?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 11 :
Wow. I’ve never heard of it myself.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. And most people haven’t. And what imposter syndrome is, it’s basically somebody who is an overachiever and they’re always feeling like they’re failing. um for example you can be the the top salesperson of your company you can be grossing a few million dollars a year but at the end of the day you feel like you’re just not doing enough even though you’re at the top of the food chain but i think there could be more to it oh there is just that i mean you know like persistent self-doubt in your own abilities also like you could be
SPEAKER 11 :
What you’re saying is, you know, you can achieve a lot, but there could be the other side of self-doubt that maybe you can achieve what you want. Like you could have a dream, but you have such self-doubt that you can’t achieve what dream you may have. That’s really good.
SPEAKER 03 :
You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because there’s a lot of people out there that have lofty goals, but they just don’t ever feel like they can achieve them because they doubt their self. You know, it’s crazy we’re talking about this. So I was in the room the other day. That’s funny you mention this. I was at work the other day, and I was in the middle of all these engineers, right? All these different geologists are taking all these tests. And, I mean, they’re dropping like flies. They’re falling left and right. But one guy brought me his test, and I’m grading his test. You could see where he erased all his answers. He had all the right answers and erased them all and put all the wrong answers. And I looked at him. I was like, dude, you had all the right answers and you changed them. And he was like, what? Like he got so much into his head that even though he was at the top, he was now at the bottom because he just didn’t trust in his first instinct.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, he doubted himself.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got a joke. I got a joke. What did geologists and Yukon Cornelius have in common with imposters? Fool’s gold.
SPEAKER 12 :
But I mean, have you guys ever done that? Have you ever like got inside of yourself? Like you knew the right answer. You knew you were doing the right thing, but you changed it because you just started doubting yourself.
SPEAKER 11 :
That happens all the time. Give an example. Where people – because most people aren’t going with their intuition. You might have – because you studied. You took the test, right? You probably studied for weeks on end. So you know what’s inside, but then whatever else may be going on causes you to forget or whatever the reason may be.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, because when you get nervous, don’t you feel like you do – like different things. Like you’re gone. Oh, you’re thinking about it all week. You’re like, yeah, man, I’m going to do this. And all of a sudden there’s a time. It’s almost like a stage fright because being nervous is a real thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah. Put on the spot. You’re being put on the spot.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a real thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
Now you’re on the spot to cut.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now it has to come out. Do you guys know how I use that in film? And I discovered this a long time ago. It was that I had to channel the energy. So the energy that was fear and worry and concern about how I’m perceived, I would channel it into humor. Seriously, man, that’s what I would do in school to make friends and stuff like that, channeling into humor, humor, humor. So the humor was the mask. And I think that if one could channel their feelings and their worries and their concerns into something constructive rather than deconstructing themselves… then they can avoid the imposter syndrome and just learn to grow into, you know, just like, hey, we’re all human. We all have flaws. We all have abilities and inabilities. And just because we’re in a enable or incapable now doesn’t mean we can’t be capable later.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, do you think a person can get so nervous going either on stage, let’s say for a movie or a job to where all of a sudden, They fell the whole thing because they’re just so nervous. Even though they know all the right steps, they just bomb it.
SPEAKER 04 :
You’re talking Hollywood, man. What do people do to cope? Drugs, sex, all that stuff that they do leading up to them getting on stage. I mean, big guys like Chris Farley, man. Do you think they do that? It’s all cocaine, cocaine, just to get them energized enough to be out of that state of mind of self-deprecation so that they could move forward with the task. Wow. Wow. I should have filmed myself on that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow. No, no, no, no. That’s deep. Now think about it in a business aspect because you guys are business owners. Have you ever went to bid a job and then all of a sudden you have your numbers in front of what you’re worth and then you’re like, well, maybe I ought to change that for the sake of getting a job.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it’s happened both ways to where we’re going in bidding a job. It’s a different part of the industry. Yeah. We’re like, well, we need to make it higher. And we’re second-guessing, like, this seems pretty high. So let’s just go with it. We go with it, and then they come back to us and say, we’re questioning your ability to perform because your numbers are so much lower. Whoa. Wow. And we doubled the bid. Wow. And we were still – we could have doubled it again and still been too low. Wow. Just because.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, that is amazing.
SPEAKER 02 :
Just because of the industry.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah. Wow. Wow. That right there just goes. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 04 :
I was just wondering too, though, imposter syndrome is usually for the person who is self-deprecating about their own worth and value. Right. But then there’s the opposite effect, which is the Dunning-Kruger effect, right? which is when you have idiots or fools who press forward on something that they don’t have really the skill set, the time set, the money, or anything to fulfill the job ask of them. Does that make sense? So basically that comparison, you’re comparing yourself to someone else? Well, Dunning-Kruger is an individual who is not equipped to do the job, but they’re so confident in their ability, they get the job. He’s making a good point right there. So that’s the opposite because they’re not beating themselves up about how bad they are inside. Fake it till you make it.
SPEAKER 02 :
I have to go behind those type of people all the time and fix their work.
SPEAKER 11 :
So funny. Yeah, but I mean, when you look up imposter syndrome, I mean. You know, one of the syndromes is, you know, a fear of people, a fear of being exposed. Like they’re exposed that they’ll find out that you’re not as talented or that you don’t have those kind of abilities. And I just don’t understand that. whole scenario like why are you gonna have a fear that how are you so if you get to a place of success but then somebody finds out that you’re a fake or fraud i mean you gotta look at who cares if they look at me like that and look where i am at now i got here by skill whatever it may be so if you look at me as a fraud It doesn’t matter. I got past you. I’m farther than you or whatever the case may be. So why would you be scared that that’s neat?
SPEAKER 04 :
So then how does one reconcile their their their their mindset behind being having imposter syndrome? How does one work on that? Because I find that it’s the people who are capable that have imposter syndrome because they’re so critical on themselves.
SPEAKER 12 :
And being critical on yourself can be good to an extent. You know what I’m saying? I think what happens is when people start comparing themselves to other people, I think is where that part is detrimental to a person.
SPEAKER 11 :
Comparison is the thief of joy. Wow. There’s a you know, there’s a lot of people that were born with just better talent than you. It’s just the way it is. No, no, no. You’re right.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s hard. It’s hard personally, as you know, as I’m speaking of myself to accept that, like, you know, I was watching about an Asian kid. He’s like five years old, 10 years old. But he’s so good at the piano. He’s playing, you know, opera. He’s taking college courses at his age. He can’t even find a school because their ability to teach him isn’t as high as his education. We’re talking a 10-year-old kid. Wow. Like, I mean, you look at them, you’re like, man, I wish I had that. Why couldn’t I be like that?
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s where I think comparing yourself to other people can be detrimental. It can be good if you’re using that person you’re comparing yourself to as what you’re striving to do. For example, if
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, like a vision board. You hold them up as the example that you want to follow.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right. But now when you’re comparing yourself saying, oh man, I’m never going to do that. This person’s got X amount of dollars. I’ve got this crappy job. I’m never going to make that much. That’s when I think you’re self-destructing yourself. Yeah. You know, because at the end of the day, if you compare yourself to someone else, it’s got to be constructive. It can’t be destructive. You know, because if let’s say let’s say I want to be the richest man in the world and I want to be like Elon Musk. Well, I got to get to work at the end of the day. I can sit back on my couch and be like, God, man, how am I going to be a millionaire? And I’m sitting there playing Xbox. You know, while the other guy has got four or five jobs. You know what I’m saying? Oh, yeah. I mean, so so it’s good to compare yourself if it’s in a constructive way. But if you’re just comparing yourself just so you can say, oh, hey, I want to be something and you never apply the steps to it.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but I think but you know, I think a lot of people. go and they chase what they think they want, but when they actually find out where they actually get to that place, they actually hate what they’re doing. I’ve heard so many people tell me that they spent six, seven years in college and find out they hate their job. They spent $250,000 for their education, and they’re not even doing what they went to college for. Because they hate it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Those are the people who are most susceptible to this syndrome.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which ones?
SPEAKER 02 :
Because when you get into a… When you’re unhappy and you change your fields, that’s when you’re susceptible to it. Wow. Because you’re in the unknown, like going into unknown waters.
SPEAKER 10 :
For sure.
SPEAKER 02 :
So then… you’re used to being the best, you go into something new, and then you’re questioning, you’re doubting, can I do this? Yeah, that’s good.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because that could really, like… I’m telling you, man, if you’re doing something that you’re good at and you switch and now all of a sudden you’ve got to relearn it, it can either make you or break you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, I got a curveball. Okay. I got a curveball. So then are we to say that is there imposter syndrome in like cartel or gangster activity? Like people who are like, man, I really don’t belong here, but like… You know, I’m doing this dirt, I’m doing this grimy stuff, but I just don’t fit.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no. I think you can find that in all walks of life. Yeah. And in anything. Right. I mean, because at the end of the day, I think. What happens is people who are so hard on themselves, even though they’ve achieved so much, I think that’s their downfall because they’re always wanting more, looking for more, and comparing themselves to the next person. I heard a professor tell me one time, he said, you can go to Vegas and be a multimillionaire, but if you look around, there’s going to be somebody else in that casino with a lot more money than you. And if you walk out that casino and you head down the strip, there’s probably going to be somebody on the strip that’s got a lot more money than the person you just saw that had more money than you. I mean, so if you’re sitting there… Doubting your self-worth 24-7, I think that could be a bad thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
So do you think this is more common with people than you think? Do you think it’s more common with more people than… Because when I think of it, as we have been talking, I just think of imposter syndrome to maybe be for a certain type of people. But now that I’m thinking about it, it could be for more people than…
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, let’s go around the room. What is one thing that you’ve done that you felt like you were successful, but then after you walked out of the room, you’re like, God, man, I could have done better. Can you think of anything? I can. School. I’ll take college, man. I could turn around and get an A on a test and walk out and be like, Jesus, I could have had an A-plus if I would have applied myself a little bit more.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. I’ll say this radio show when we first started. Oh, man, that came to my mind, too. Imposter Syndrome, because it was some realm that I’d never been in before. Didn’t know about hugging the mic and talking to the audience and just having a good conversation with the guys here. This was Imposter Syndrome to begin with, but I’m getting seeded into it. The more we do it, the better I get.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, yeah, for sure. That’s funny he mentioned that because there’s times I walked out of here like, man, we had a crappy show and then we get emails like, you guys are the best. And I’m like, it throws me for a loop. It does.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, for sure. It does.
SPEAKER 12 :
So you’re making a really good point.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, what about Brian in Reno? Imposter syndrome, had you felt it anywhere?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, see, I think I failed in aspects of, down the road i i had a feeling of what i thought i wanted to do with my life but didn’t pursue it i think i failed in that aspect because i know what i want to do with myself now but yeah i’m still not pursuing it because i’m i’m content with where i’m at when i think god wants me to do more but i’m content in my situation
SPEAKER 12 :
Can I ask you a question? And this is for each one of us. Do you ever feel like you’re an imposter to God? I didn’t think about that until he said that. Because there’s times, you know what I’m saying? There’s times you go to church and you don’t even want to be there.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, that would be more of a lot more to do with what’s it called? I don’t know. It’s passing my mind right now. Faith walk or? No, when you have guilt that you’re not living up to what God’s aspects are for your life. You know what I’m saying? Like condemnation type thing? Yes, that’s what I was looking for, condemnation. I think that has a lot to do with condemnation because I deal with that all the time. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, all the time. With church, you do? Oh, yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
And not business or money? Because I deal with it more with career than anything.
SPEAKER 04 :
The problem there, though, is that what you’re allowing to happen is the… the evil one, the devil, to plant seeds and lies in your head about your worth and value, because your worth and value isn’t you or what you do. It’s Jesus in you. That’s good. That’s really good. You know what I mean? Because it’s not about works. It’s about faith, obviously. And when we find ourselves getting wrapped up in our position with God, you know what I mean? Like our worthiness, we’re already losing the fight.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, but there’s – no, no, no, and that’s good because there’s times I’ve went to prayer before. I’ll go into my time of prayer. I went to the church down to the church for prayer, and I’ll pray 10 or 15 minutes, and I’ll walk out there and be like, God, man, everybody prays longer than me. So sometimes I wonder if – You’re the Dunning-Kruger of faith. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You’re absolutely right because there’s times I walk away from, whether it’s work or church or anything, and I think, Jesus, man, I’ve got to be the worst at this when maybe somebody else is looking from the outside and I don’t know, thinking, oh, man, those people are doing it right. Because, I mean, on the radio, for example, imagine how many people are thinking, you know, these four or five guys got it together when we’re human beings and we have just as many flaws as everybody else.
SPEAKER 11 :
So would you label imposter syndrome fake syndrome because you’re not what you’re saying you are? No, I think what happens is imposter syndrome – I think it’s… Because when I think imposter, when I think the word imposter… For sure, I thought about this too. You’re trying to propose that you’re something that you’re not. That you’re not. To not make you a fake, a fraud.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, but like we’ve talked about it, can a person actually be a fake if they’re actually doing it? For example, we faked it till we made it when we got on the radio, but now are we really fakes?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s kind of second nature now for us, I think, Reno.
SPEAKER 02 :
Really?
SPEAKER 12 :
No. No, no, no. But when we first started, we didn’t really know where to go on the radio. We didn’t know what direction to take. We said we’re going to be the guy’s perspective. We’re going to help men. But at the end of the day, that was all we knew we were going to do. We didn’t know we would turn out to be as good as we are. I mean, could that have been fake it till you make it or imposter syndrome?
SPEAKER 11 :
No, because I think the desire was there.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t think it was imposter syndrome because we’re genuinely trying something new. Yeah, and everybody… Imposter syndrome is… I mean, the way it’s explained is different than… For sure. …what we’re doing.
SPEAKER 12 :
We’re not… But at the end of the day, imposter syndrome still… The main core part of it is feeling like you’re not achieving everything that you ought to be, even though you are achieving it. Wouldn’t that be kind of like fake it till you make it also?
SPEAKER 02 :
So imposter syndrome is like low self-esteem and perfectionism.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
Where, you know, it’s like a negative impact. This isn’t having a negative impact.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s true. It’s not. It’s not having a negative impact. That’s 100% right. Because I don’t think any topic we’ve ever had has a negative impact on anybody.
SPEAKER 11 :
And everybody has to have a starting point. Like, you know, people who play sports. Were they a fake before they started? No, they had to start to become what they wanted to. A professional. Are they a fake now? No. No, they’re a superstar.
SPEAKER 04 :
So, so yeah. So imposter syndrome comes from a state of fearfulness, right? Even in the midst of like succeeding, you’re still fearful of being found out that you’re, that you’re barely keeping up, barely hanging on. And I think, I think that is, it becomes kind of like a selfish, a selfish position of, of a viewpoint because you’re so hyper-focused on, on yourself. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
instead of being in the moment so imposter syndrome often if you suffer from imposter syndrome you’ll often doubt your skills talent or accomplishments but haven’t all of us done that before though What I’m saying is, in the aspect of this radio, what were our accomplishments when we first started?
SPEAKER 12 :
That is really, he’s asking a good question now. Because I think our accomplishments were, when we started, is just like how I highlighted in our book. We needed a radio station to take a chance on five guys who had never, ever done this before. But it’s not like I didn’t have doubt to it because I think all of us did, right? Yeah, I did.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yeah. I mean, you’re human. Can we do this? But that doesn’t mean we had imposter syndrome. Oh, you don’t think so? No, we were trying something new.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, okay. Because I took it as when he first mentioned it, I took it as we had imposter syndrome to start. But, I mean, if you’re saying we didn’t, then I’m going to go along with that. 100%, man.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s my opinion. You’re trying something new. You learn as you go. Doesn’t mean that you’re, you know, we’re doubting.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, God, this is good. I wish we could open this up for callers, man. This is good. No, because what you’re saying is right. Because then it makes you wonder if the fake it or make it mentality really is a thing. Well, we weren’t really… Well, we were kind of because none of us, at least me and you, had never been in this situation before.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, so in my field, when I’m trying something new, I’m learning as I go.
SPEAKER 12 :
Everybody, well, Reno’s got something to say on the other side, so we’re going to take a two-minute break, and then we’ll come right back to this.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 08 :
i can’t hide myself i don’t expect you to understand i just hope i can explain what it’s like to be a man
SPEAKER 05 :
Welcome to A Guy’s Perspective, where they discuss real-life topics that men today are dealing with, whether married, single parent, or just single. We invite you to call into this live program with your comments and questions. And here they are.
SPEAKER 08 :
I just hope I can explain.
SPEAKER 12 :
How’s everybody doing? This is part two of KOZ 560 AM. And we’ll just go around the room, introduce ourselves again, and then we’re going to have Arino. He’s got a thought that he was telling us about.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, this is Heath Hine, the actor in Colorado, number one imposter.
SPEAKER 02 :
This is Arino, local business owner.
SPEAKER 11 :
And I am not an imposter. I am your number one janitor for Denver and Aurora.
SPEAKER 12 :
And the reason why these guys are saying they’re not imposters is we’re talking about imposter syndrome. The first half was really good. And, Reno, what were you saying now?
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 12 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
What was I saying?
SPEAKER 12 :
You were saying something about business. You were saying business.
SPEAKER 02 :
When we first got into this?
SPEAKER 12 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
So yeah, I don’t think we were imposters, because when I was learning the trade that I’m in, you go through an apprenticeship and you learn it. Of course, technically our apprenticeship here is learning as we go okay live asking questions to other people who’ve done it but there’s no actually there’s no actual um apprenticeship to my knowledge but we are I I could say I learned an extreme amount since we started just from doing it oh wow but yeah I agree with him 100 Brian
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, when I think of imposter syndrome, the first thing that came to my mind when he was talking was, how much does that have to do with, you know, upbringing dynamics? Like, you know, your mom or dad were so successful, nice house. You know, I just saw the picture, you know, a vision. Here, you know, here the kids are trying to live up to their parents. You maybe didn’t do as good in school, didn’t go to the kind of college that their parents wanted them to go to. That whole scenario and how much did it have to do with your upbringing?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m going to tell you, man, imposter syndrome is unchecked ego.
SPEAKER 12 :
Explain that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s unchecked ego, man. It’s people who are not living in the moment for what they’re doing in any walk of life and accepting the challenges that come with it as, hey, I’m learning. They’re too egocentric and self-centered, and they think that they should be perfect and perfectionist of everything.
SPEAKER 12 :
Jesus, you guys sound like psychologists today, bro.
SPEAKER 04 :
In essence, what they need to do is they need to have grace on themselves and allow themselves to learn. Oh, yeah, that’s good.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s very good. But how hard is that for most people to do?
SPEAKER 04 :
You got to do introspection, man. You got to go back to, like Brian said, your childhood.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s individual because someone who knows everything can’t be taught. Oh, my God.
SPEAKER 11 :
That’s true. That is so true. Now, that’s with most everybody.
SPEAKER 12 :
But, yes, what he’s saying right there, what you guys all are saying, I’m telling you, man, that’s on like you guys are on a whole new level.
SPEAKER 07 :
Dr. Phil up in here.
SPEAKER 12 :
I’m telling you guys are. I mean, okay, because think about it. Let’s say we jumped into this. We charted our course. We came up with a game plan now. I just think by us doing what we’re doing, by you saying we’ve learned so much, Do you ever feel like you can do better, though?
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. I think we all could do better. Yeah. But we all have to be willing to learn. Because if we come in here and we think we know everything, then we obviously don’t. Even in my field, if you think you know everything, you might as well hang it up. What? Because you’re learning something. There’s something to be learned every day. But, see, I mean, I agree and I disagree. Okay, Brian.
SPEAKER 11 :
I mean, how much more can you learn after, you know, 20 years on the job? You know, if you’ve been on your job so long, I mean, how much more could you learn?
SPEAKER 04 :
Heath. I’ve got a question for Reno because I know you’re in BJJ, right? Jiu-Jitsu? Yeah. So can you go in there with a full cup and expect to grow, or do you have to have an empty cup that they could fill you up with?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, it’s actually MMA. It’s not just jujitsu. So it’s fusion combat. So you’re learning a lot of different. So it’s Muay Thai. But can you go there and know everything? No. No, because. Because you’re always going to learn something. You’re going to learn either easy or hard. There’s things I’ve seen that it’s like, for one, who thought of that? How did you think of that? But you think you know everything, and you’re going to get put on your pockets quick. There’s no way you’re going to go in there no matter how long. Because it’s multiple combat sports, you could be a black belt jujitsu, and you come in there and learn all kinds of stuff about Muay Thai and boxing.
SPEAKER 04 :
And so in the point I’m trying to make, because he’s a martial artist, I’m a martial artist, is that you do have to address everything with humility. I’ve been doing windshield repairs for 30 years, and I just got humbled that I need to accept insurance in order to thrive when I’ve cut insurance off for 15 years, Bri. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Wow. There’s another thing. When you’re talking about MMA or martial arts, your opponent is going to cause you to react different. Wow. You can’t do everything the same, so you’re going to have to learn that individual.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because what did Tyson say? Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth or something like that.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, didn’t he? Everyone’s got a plan. But that’s true not only in fighting. That’s true in business. Relationships.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because it really makes you wonder, guys, because with the imposter syndrome, I wonder if because you’re at the top. And because you’re always critiquing your failures, your mistakes in a negative sense, like you guys said, I wonder if that causes a person to lose their sight of what’s been working and now all of a sudden they fail, whether it’s in business, mixed martial arts, church, relationships. I wonder if they’re so hard on themselves That negativity brings them down.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, but I think there’s a simple way to overcome that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, let’s hear it.
SPEAKER 11 :
And that is, you know, your feelings or your thoughts are just an emotion. You see what I’m saying?
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
It’s not facts. You see what I’m saying? So, you know, the thought or the emotion of thinking that you, with self-doubt, it’s just an emotion and a feeling. It ain’t the truth. The truth is you got where you were at. You succeeded.
SPEAKER 12 :
But the problem is, is how does a person learn to navigate their thoughts?
SPEAKER 11 :
If the imposter syndrome is… I guess it’s when they recognize it’s just an emotion.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 11 :
They have to recognize that this ain’t the truth.
SPEAKER 12 :
When they recognize that they’re not a fraud because that’s what we read about. Imposter syndrome is at the end of the day, you think you’re a fraud and you think everybody’s going to find that out.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
So how does a person actually overcome those thoughts of saying, I’m not a fraud. I actually made the company $2 million. I’m their best seller. I don’t care what anybody else thinks because that’s hard to do, to not worry about what everybody else thinks about you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Not really. Maybe talk.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, you don’t think so?
SPEAKER 02 :
I could care less what someone thinks about me.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay, okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
I could really care less.
SPEAKER 12 :
Okay. Well, I mean, that’s, there’s a lot, but there’s a lot of people out there that can’t do that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I’ve struggled kind of my whole life about caring what people think of me.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, so you guys are polar opposites. No, that’s why I don’t care now. Oh, that’s huge. See, I went through my whole life trying to impress people who really don’t.
SPEAKER 12 :
care about you wow oh my god so when you realize that you’re trying to impress the wrong people who really cares what people think who cares wow yeah he’s got yeah he’s really hitting on something right there yeah that that that right there’s a message for people that are 18 to 35 man because you you know how much they care about their clothes or shoes everybody thinks
SPEAKER 02 :
for real I went through my whole life getting in trouble doing doing all these things trying to impress people who don’t have your best interests at hand and when you when you think about it you get in all this trouble or doing things that trying to impress people they’re gonna forget about it the next day yeah So who cares what people think about you? Who cares? Your opinion of me is none of my business. It has no bearings on whether I’m going to wake up tomorrow.
SPEAKER 11 :
They need to change their opinion of what the person next to them thinks about them and start caring about what God thinks of you.
SPEAKER 04 :
I do think that people could also align themselves and their purpose with those as well. You stop caring about other people and what they’re doing. You focus on the thing that you have in your heart to do, which most likely would align with God.
SPEAKER 11 :
I actually got to change what I said. You should care what people think about you in the sense of, do they see Christ in you? You see what I’m saying? No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER 12 :
I understand that part, but I understand where Arino’s coming from.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, of course, but I do care what people think about me if I’m reflecting Christ at all in my life.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because at the end of the day, I think Dave Ramsey… would go along with what you guys are saying because he would turn around and say, don’t keep up with the Joneses. It don’t matter if they got a brand new truck and you got your truck paid off. Don’t go off and get in debt.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, one of Dave Ramsey’s sayings, because I listened to him so many times, it was you’re too busy buying things you can’t afford to impress people that don’t care about you. Oh, my God.
SPEAKER 12 :
And Reno just said it. I don’t know if he listened to Dave Ramsey, but at the end of the day, that’s Dave Ramsey has built a motto that works, that you get out of debt, and who cares if they don’t like your shoes, they don’t like your house, because there’s a rich dad and a poor dad on somebody’s block. I’m telling you, there’s a rich dad and a poor dad on somebody’s block.
SPEAKER 04 :
More poor.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, but think about it. Like he said, if you care about what everybody thinks you have or don’t have 24-7, it’s going to drive you in debt. It’s going to drive you crazy. It’s going to keep you awake at night. And that’s good that you guys said that because I think a lot of people, like especially me, I need to learn it doesn’t matter what anybody thinks. If I’m doing my best or being my best version of myself, that’s all that matters, right? You know?
SPEAKER 11 :
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because you know where I think as… And this is, maybe I’m wrong and you guys correct me. I think as Christians, I think our biggest mistake, at least for me, and since it’s the Christmas season, maybe I can take my own advice. If you’re some dude on the street corner, I don’t even want to talk to you. I just roll right past you. You know what I’m saying? If you come up to my window, I either tell you I ain’t got no money or I just look straight ahead. And sometimes I wonder if I’m not like my biggest imposter to myself because I’m not willing. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I can’t remember what scripture says, but it says to be careful. You could be entertaining an angel.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s true. I’ve heard Brian say that, you know, quite a few different times.
SPEAKER 02 :
You never know who you’re helping, how you’re helping them. Just a kind word could stop someone from committing suicide.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s true.
SPEAKER 04 :
And what about this, too? You have to understand and realize that you are the gift. You’re the gift that God created to be involved in other people’s lives. So if you deny people that opportunity to have you as a gift in their life, then you’ve really kind of denied God and his purpose for you.
SPEAKER 11 :
you know what did that scripture say it says he that refuses the poor i’ll refuse his prayer in time of his trouble well and i also think about that scripture where it says i was in hungry you didn’t feed me i was naked you didn’t clothe me so you’re talking to yourself
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, definitely. If there’s anybody who’s hard on himself, I am. Listen, man, I think, especially in school, I do it nonstop. I’m like, Jesus, if I would have studied a little bit more, I could have had a better grade. You guys have heard me say it. I always critique myself and base myself off of a bunch of 20-year-olds. I’m like, listen, I’m 40. I’m still in school. But if I was a 20-year-old who lived at mom’s house, you know what I’m saying? I’d have straight A’s like these. And I think I’m at the wrong for that.
SPEAKER 11 :
So I should have straight A’s in school. I don’t think you go to school. I’m not 20 with mom, but I’m 45 at mom’s house.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well, the point I’m making is whether somebody lives at their mom’s or not, I shouldn’t be basing what I do off that other person, like you were saying, Arino. Like, I shouldn’t worry about, oh, if this person’s at their mom and they make straight A’s, well, guess what? Maybe they studied harder than me. And maybe I just didn’t study enough.
SPEAKER 04 :
Circumstantial, right? Every circumstance is different.
SPEAKER 12 :
Right, right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Because… Every walk is different.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because if at the end of the day, if imposter syndrome is somebody that is just extremely hard on himself in a nutshell.
SPEAKER 04 :
I can tell you how everybody’s walk is different. If all four of us were walking down the street right now, Brian would be waddling.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’d be walking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Reno would be gliding. Brock would be stomping. I’d be walking. And I’d be swagger with pimp, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
What would Andre be doing?
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he’s assed out, man.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s not even there.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sorry, Andre.
SPEAKER 12 :
Funny stuff. But you know what? At the end of the day, I think that if if a person recognizes that they’re that they’ve made it to the top of the food chain and it’s OK to be successful in your own way, then I think you’re perfectly fine because success is different for everybody. Like like what do you think success is for you?
SPEAKER 04 :
I like having listened to things like Dave Ramsey and Myron Golden and to come to the conclusion that I have a creator who has made me creative. And so I’m not even looking forward to something like a retirement and to hang it up. I’m looking forward to the next opportunity this year present and my future to come to be better for myself and for others.
SPEAKER 12 :
So that’s success to you.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. So when one would try to be like, oh, look, I’m going to hang my hat and I’m going to retire and I’ll be a multimillionaire. That’s not good enough, man. If I get to that stage, then I need to look for the next challenge.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 04 :
I need to keep going. We need to keep going as long as we got breath in our lungs.
SPEAKER 12 :
Arino, what’s success to you?
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t know. It seems to change depending on the day. Wow. So it could be, you know, seeing my family where… Seeing my family be successful would be success to me, where it’s not so much about me, but what can I do more for someone else?
SPEAKER 11 :
Brian, what’s success to you? I think success to me is to find out what God’s purpose is in your life and to fulfill it, to live in joy. I mean, God’s gave us all a purpose, and I think most people aren’t, you know… searching that out to find out what it is in their lives.
SPEAKER 12 :
Success for me is the zeros in my bank account. I ain’t even going to sit here and lie to y’all. I ain’t even going to sit here and lie to y’all. That to me is so huge.
SPEAKER 04 :
Zeros are just zeros unless you put a one in front of it.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s what I’m saying. Depending on how many zeros behind that one, that to me is success.
SPEAKER 11 :
How many people have sought all that money in heaven and are still not happy? How can that be success?
SPEAKER 12 :
How many people haven’t sought that money and they ain’t happy?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, they just think they won it. I really know. So to add to that, I think you would be, from what you’re saying… Would you be more happy with – you know, money doesn’t buy happiness, but you would be more happy with it than without it?
SPEAKER 11 :
Of course. You say of course? Yes. I would want to be rich and poor for sure.
SPEAKER 12 :
Heath, what do you say?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I want to quote the great Jim Carrey, man, and he said since he’s had so much money, so much fame – he hopes that everyone gets the opportunity to experience that so that they can see that it doesn’t fulfill you. Wow.
SPEAKER 11 :
But I mean, the Bible does say, you know, you know, money answers all things. I mean, hey.
SPEAKER 12 :
And that’s true. That’s in the Bible. People don’t even know that. They always quote the Scripture, the love of money is the root of all evil, but nobody quotes the Scripture that Solomon says.
SPEAKER 02 :
They misquote that Scripture.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, they misquote that Scripture, but they don’t quote it where it says money answers all things.
SPEAKER 11 :
But what does Solomon also say? He said, to be rather poor or rich, I’d rather just be in the middle.
SPEAKER 12 :
I just and you guys answer that and I think to me it’s the sun shines a little bit brighter and feels a little bit better on my back when there’s a bankload of money. You know what I’m saying? I mean, it just, it does. And I know people say, well, I’ve never seen a hearse, you know, an armored truck following a hearse. Like, I always, when I hear people say things like that, it makes me wonder, like, what their bank account is like. Have they been so used to living in the, The not have versus the have.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, like speaking on the whole world as an example of wealth and wealth generation, you know that people here in America, when they’re making $40,000 a year, they’re in the top. They’re in the top of the world. Not necessarily the top of America, but the top of the world.
SPEAKER 12 :
The top of the world, but not the top of America.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. No, yeah.
SPEAKER 1 :
50,000.
SPEAKER 11 :
You make more than 50,000 a year, you make more than half the world.
SPEAKER 04 :
So here’s the thing.
SPEAKER 11 :
But in America, you’re considered poor.
SPEAKER 04 :
Here’s the point, though. Because of comparison, right? Here’s the point. Do we have imposter syndrome when we’re living well? We have a house and we have money and we have a car, a Tesla. Some of us have a Tesla. And we have some of these things. Then are we in imposters? Do we feel like imposters as though we’re not making it? Like we’re barely scraping?
SPEAKER 12 :
Wow, that is good.
SPEAKER 11 :
That is really good. He brought up a great point.
SPEAKER 12 :
He’s bringing up a good point.
SPEAKER 11 :
Yeah, because we brought up, you know, having a house and the cars and you should be grateful. But when you read a story like I was, I read the news the other day, this lady had a blood issue in her body. She was a kid. She was 10 years old. And it went to her legs and her arms. So for her mom to save her life, she had to amputate all four limbs to save her kid’s life. And then it made me realize how thankful I am that I have my arms and feet. I mean, how often do you thank God that you’re still walking?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, no, for sure. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 11 :
So it made me realize how thankful I am for just minor things. I mean, if we went to Africa, a third world country, and you were seeing how people lived, you wouldn’t be complaining with what you have here in America at all. I guarantee you.
SPEAKER 12 :
The only reason why I disagree with that, guys, is because in America… America is ran by the dollar bill. These other countries, not as much because they’re trying to worry about the food they’re going to eat. In America, if you don’t have a bank account, people look at you differently. It’s just the way it is.
SPEAKER 11 :
I thought we just talked about not caring what people thought.
SPEAKER 12 :
No, no, no. We are learning that. But there’s people who aren’t us five. that care about their bank account. And if you’re not in that status of bank account, you’re not hanging out with them.
SPEAKER 04 :
Heath. One minute left.
SPEAKER 12 :
Because, I mean, let’s be real. I mean, there’s some people that they’ve got hundreds of millions in their bank account, and they’re not hanging out with you unless you’ve got hundreds of millions. Just the way it is, dude.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, it is a saying that look at the five people you hang around. There you are. If you’re hanging around a bunch of broke people, you’re going to be the fifth broke person. That is such a true statement. There’s a reason why people with money hang around other people with money.
SPEAKER 12 :
That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Upcycle.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, because if you let yourself be brought down…
SPEAKER 08 :
then you may never get back to that status again and you never want to be the smartest person in the room that’s true everybody thank you for listening and um we’ll see y’all next week i don’t expect you to understand i just hope i can explain what it’s like to be a man it’s
SPEAKER 06 :
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