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And let’s have a conversation. Welcome to the Kim Monson Show. I’m Alan Thomas, and I’m guest hosting the show for today while Kim is traveling to visit some family. Thank you all for listening. You’re each valued and treasured. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, soul, mind, and body. You were made for this moment. As always, thank you to producer Joe for all your hard work to keep us on track and to keep the show running smoothly and for getting all the guests on. Really appreciate everything that you do. Make sure to visit the website. The website is KimMonsonMONSON.com. And when you’re there, you can sign up for the weekly email newsletter. You’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email Kim at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. And thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. The show. Kim buys all of her airtime. So she deeply appreciates everyone who helps sponsor the show and and keep these ideas out there. Thank you to Hooters Restaurant for their sponsorship. There are five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. They have great lunch specials Monday through Friday for dine-in or to-go. Wednesdays are wings days, so make sure you can buy 20 wings and get an additional 10 for free. Offers to-go or dine-in. So a great place to get together with your friends to watch your favorite sports teams. If you don’t know, the national championship game between Houston and Florida will be tonight. So good place to get some wings to watch that. I’m still a little salty that Duke fell apart the way that they did. But some pretty cool headlines around Florida and specifically Houston, Houston’s head coach. Some of the last words from his dad were that he should stay involved with with college basketball. He was thinking about going to the NBA. So kind of cool. He stuck around with college basketball. And sure enough, he’s guided his team to a national championship. So sports can be. Pretty beautiful thing. So we’ll talk a little bit more about sports here in a minute. But I wanted to get over to the word of the day first, since later this hour we will have Representative Max Brooks in to talk about some of the goings on happening in the state house. So the word of the day was Diablerie. D-I-A-B-L-E-R-I-E. That’s a noun. It means reckless mischief or a charismatic wildness. So for charismatic wildness, kind of like the Diablerie of a good actor, for instance. But the reckless mischief, the Diablerie going on at the state house is… more than concerning, shall we say. So they’re doing things that just go beyond reckless, ideologically encumbering, pushing their ideology at all costs, regardless of what’s happening to the taxpayer either. Also wanted to, for the quote of the day, had to go to a tried and true, went to James Madison. He was born March 16th, 1751 to June 28th, 1836. He, of course, was an American statesman, diplomat and founding father. Happened to be the fourth president of the United States from 1809 to 1817. We probably all know him more so as the father of the Constitution for his pivotal role in drafting and promoting the Constitution of the United States. Although he started out initially being against a Bill of Rights, he ended up becoming a big proponent for them, especially when it came to getting the Constitution passed. He realized the Bill of Rights was going to help get that passed and change the way he thought, which I think is a good lesson to all of us that sometimes you can grow and you can learn. But he said… A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance. And a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. Again, pretty poignant quote there, especially when it comes to the freedom of press and the freedom of speech. But again, the beautiful thing about the way the Founding Fathers wrote, especially in this time period, is while it may apply to one thing in particular, the wisdom that they have is unparalleled. Again, The without information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to farce or tragedy or perhaps even both. And we’ll talk to Representative Brooks a little bit later here about the silencing of debate that happened on Friday. Again, the Democrats dropped quite a few bills and then limited the debate on those. And again, is that. Purposeful, is that just because they’re mismanaging the schedule? Is there more nefarious means at work or perhaps all of the above all at once? But again, knowledge will forever govern ignorance. That’s just a deep quote of if you want to avoid being ignorant, always be seeking out knowledge. And again, that having that agency within yourself, no one should ever be able to take that away. So again, we mentioned it, wanted to come back to another. I love sports. They’re just a way to sometimes show virtue. And one of the big happenings this weekend was Alex Ovechkin passed Wayne Gretzky for the all-time NHL goal scorer over the weekend. And just, you know, some pretty classy things all around. Wayne Gretzky had shown up to the game on Saturday and Alex Ovechkin scored two goals to tie him. And at the end of the game, Ovechkin’s team was up by so much, they’ll sometimes do what they call the other team pulled the goalies. There was an empty net. And Ovechkin’s coach turned to him and was going to put him in, presumably to try and beat Gretzky’s record that night. And Ovechkin sat down on the bench. And after the game, they had a press conference. And Ovechkin said, no, I don’t want to score an empty netter to beat the all-time goal scorer. I want to do it against a goaltender. So pretty classy. He ended up doing it the very next day yesterday. So a pretty cool ceremony. But it was kind of funny because at that same press conference on Saturday when he said he didn’t want to do it against an empty net, Wayne Gretzky quipped. He’s like, well, I never passed up an open net. So that was kind of funny. Ironically, that very same game, a rookie ended up scoring an empty net goal. And Gretzky said only 894 to go until you catch up to Ovechkin. So pretty cool, classy story. Again, Gretzky acknowledged that when he beat Gordie Howe’s all-time goal record, when he broke it, Gordie Howe was there. Just a tradition of being a good sport, of being a good steward of the game. So do you have any thoughts, Producer Joe? No.
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No, that’s actually a really funny story. And I like just that there’s sportsmanship amongst all ends with it. It’s very neat.
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Yeah, you know, and that’s got to be one. It’s I mean, when you hold a record, you kind of one, you know, it’s probably going to get broken at some point. Although I do have to say Gretzky’s all time points record where that’s assists plus goals is looks nigh untouchable. He’s up over 1,000 points over the next closest, and Ovechkin isn’t even in the top 10. But when you have a record like that, it’s probably going to get broken. But to be there when it happens, especially with these hyper-competitive athletes, I mean, I don’t think we truly understand how competitive they are to compete the way that they do. To have their record broken is pretty classy to be there and to be a part of that moment and to pass that on. Speaking of records, also, the Yukon women actually won last night. And you might call it an upset. They were the lower seed. So Gino, are you? I always mispronounce his name. Are you Rema? pretty legendary coach over there at UConn. As we know, the UConn women won four in a row back, I think that ended in like 2016. And he was contemplating retiring. He ended up not retiring, lost a national championship in 2022. And he became the oldest head coach in the men’s or the women’s to win a national championship. He just credited the fact that he wanted to stay with it. He wanted to stick with it. And, you know, a lot of people say he should have rode the high and gone out on a gone out on a high point after winning all those championships in a row and To his credit, he stuck around one. And another interesting water cooler tidbit, not only is he now, UConn now has the oldest head coach in women’s, but also Jim Calhoun, the UConn coach, is the oldest men’s coach to win a national championship. So UConn having some pretty good times there with the national championships. So again, just kind of a fun one there. One more headline, and before we go to break and hear from some more of our sponsors, this one is a little closer to home. The FPC firearms, I’ll look that up at the break. But a lawsuit here in Colorado, pretty pivotal one going on, especially when it comes down to Colorado’s gun and ammo tax. There’s now a lawsuit out there to say, Strike down this gun and gun and ammo tax. And it’s very interesting. In one of the few missteps that Governor Polis has made in a speech, he said the following, and I quote, when you tax something, you penalize it. And there’s things you actually want to penalize in society. So he said this in a 2021 speech. So in this lawsuit, they’re asking the court to recognize that a tax is what it is, an unconstitutional penalty on constitutionally protected conduct. So again, the logic is that this gun and ammo tax is disincentivizing a constitutionally protected right. So the fact that… They’re kind of using the governor’s own words against them. Pretty pivotal. Also… The logic also extends beyond that. At this point, it’s like 6.5%, I believe, is what was passed. But the point the lawsuit makes is, hey, what’s going to stop a state from imposing a 50% or even 100% tax on an excise tax on a constitutionally protected right? So, again, pretty pivotal. It should be. Again, when you look at it in Bruin… The government bears the burden of justifying any modern restriction on Second Amendment protected rights by pointing to relevant historical traditions. So this gun and ammo excise tax by the states doesn’t meet that that principle. So. we’ll be watching that lawsuit with a lot of fervor because it carries a lot of implications, should be pretty cut and dry. Again, Colorado, California, we seem to be the leaders on trying to do things, especially when it goes against constitutionally protected rights. So hoping that we can prove that Colorado’s tax can’t survive constitutional scrutiny and looking forward to to seeing how the justices rule on that. But a lot of what we get to talk about wouldn’t happen without good sponsors of the show, and one of those sponsors is Roger Mangan.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim while she’s traveling today. Make sure and sign up for the weekly email newsletter. You’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests and the most recent essays. You can always email Kim at Kim at Kim Monson dot com M-O-N-S-O-N. Thank you all for contributing to support the independent voice and exercising our right to freedom of speech. And as always, thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And something that should be on your bucket list is to visit the Center for American Values located at the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dixon, Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The Center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients in teaching and upholding the principles of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. For more information, check out their website at americasvaluescenter.org. Also, Kim does a lot of good work with veterans, Americans Veterans Stories. You can always check out those interviews. I know the last time I was on the show, we got to talk to Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix, and his citation was pretty inspiring. Also joining us on the line, we have Representative Max Brooks. He’s the representative of House District 45, which is in Douglas County and covers Castle Rock and some of South Parker. So welcome, Representative Brooks. Good morning, Alan. How are you, sir? Doing pretty good. You know, it’s kind of interesting because there’s a whole lot going on down at the state capitol. So glad we can pick your brain about a little bit of the goings on happening. And, you know, in preparing for the show, we had a couple of things that we’ll talk about in the third and fourth segment. And then Friday and yesterday happened. So that definitely helped us fill up some more of the show as well.
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Yeah, I would like to think that when you and I coordinated originally booking the show for today, that we just did not see, nor did we not anticipate in any way whatsoever, how Friday and then yesterday, yes, Sunday, yesterday, at the state capitol would unfold. Yeah. To be fair, I believe James Madison would be ashamed because your word of the day is, I consider any definition that would include the word mischief, mischief seems to me to be somewhat good-natured. And I’m sorry, Alan, this was certainly not. So we are beyond diablery into just straight villainry, I believe.
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I completely agree. And, you know, whether it’s providence or coincidence, you know, I certainly believe in a higher power. It’s kind of fortunate that we actually have a majority of the show to unpack what’s going on and everything that that dropped last week. But let’s maybe go over a little bit what happened on Friday. And, you know, for those that are deeply involved in politics, it’s easy to talk about things such as like limiting debate and third reading. On Friday, they limited debate to two hours on three pretty controversial bills, one of which actually ended up passing yesterday. So that’s Senate Bill 25-183. So that’s the bill that the Senate proposed to basically enforce the Amendment 79 that the American voters voted on. where it’s funding abortion services. Also, the House Bill 25-1309, so forces insurers to cover expensive gender-affirming procedures. House Bill 25-1312, which we will unpack in more detail, but that’s the… transgender bill, a lot of very scary Orwellian stuff going on with that one. And then also Senate Bill 25-129, so blocking cooperation with out-of-state investigations into gender-affirming care and reproductive health, which again, reproductive health means ending pregnancies, right? Undermining interstate legal accountability. So can you maybe unpack how and what it looks like to limit debate to two hours on some four pretty controversial bills, four bills that would obviously inspire quite a bit of, I imagine, words from our Republican representatives.
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Yes, indeed. No matter how much you attempted to limit debate from our good Republican representatives, I can guarantee you this, we will always have words. So let me unpack how Friday happened. came to be. During the week, I don’t know if it was probably Wednesday of last week, we received notice from our minority leader, Representative Rose Fuglisi, that the majority leader, Representative Monica Durant, has brought to her a negotiation of sorts, right? And that is that They’re going to drop six total bills on Friday, and then the four of them you just mentioned. And they wanted us to agree to be done by, I forget, maybe 5 or 6 o’clock in the afternoon. The Democrats wanted to have their weekend. The Democrats didn’t want to be tied up having to discuss these things because it’s not about we the people. It’s about if the policy. So they wanted to be able to wash their hands a la Pontius Pilate and just move on with their weekend and push through the insidious policy that they had been bringing forward. We said, no, thank you. The deal was that if we had agreed to wrap up by 5 or 6 o’clock, then we would not work on the weekends. I can’t speak for everybody in the Republican caucus, nor would I. I wouldn’t endeavor to, but I’ll tell you, Alan, I pretty much cleared my calendar January 8th, May 7th, knowing that I was going to be working at the state capitol. So you want us to work on a Saturday? You want me to come in on Sunday? Let’s go. You know, we’re on a shot clock here. I understand that the downside is that the more time you give the majority party, the more sessions, if you work every Saturday and Sunday, you’re really giving them an opportunity to pass more of their very bad, selfish, not constituent-driven, James Madison, the quote that you had given earlier about knowledge and understanding what it is that we’re doing. It would have given them more time to drive even more policy through. But as one member of our leadership put it, we don’t negotiate with terrorists. So we told them to very tightly pack sands into a very small container. So they came back and they said, fine, we’re going to rule 14 you. Rule 14 is something that can happen on second reading, which was Friday, which means that debate will be limited. The rule 14 is actually to no less than one hour. That’s how the rule is written. They decided to rule 14 us to limit debate on each item to two hours. so they did that and we did take every single bit of the two hours we ran amendments we argued and then we did something at the end where you have to pass at the end of second reading something called the reports of the committee of the whole which is the reports of the proceedings that had just occurred on the floor we call it cal for short WE THEN RAN AMENDMENTS IN OUR COW. WE BROUGHT AMENDMENTS BACK INTO THE COW THAT WE THOUGHT COULD HAVE THEM PASSED. I THINK THERE WERE ROUGHLY A DOZEN OF THEM. SO WE HAD ANOTHER HOUR OR SO OF COW DEBATE, COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE DEBATE. SO WE WERE THERE FOR A GOOD BIT OF TIME. I THINK PROBABLY 9 O’CLOCK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. You know, it still is very unsavory to bring forward the bills you mentioned, the four specifically you mentioned. They did want to bring forward a couple more, but we ended up, I believe, just working on those four. Some of the most difficult, morally corrupt, villainous, and just downright disgusting bills of the entire session, all on a Friday, and all limited to two hours each of debate. So… Yes, Alan, you can bet we had plenty of words. However, I will tell you that we conducted ourselves with a great sense of decorum, and we debated these on equal footing and did not ever turn it into something ugly, which did end up happening on Sunday at the hands of the Democrats.
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And that’s an important point, because especially when you look at the court of public opinion, sometimes when you can kind of turn ugly, it can get turned against you, right? And it’s one of those, how can you encourage people to follow the rule of law when you’re unwilling to do it yourself? So that does put you in a pretty difficult scenario, especially when you talk about these bills. And for those of us that follow politics quite well, You know, they have a schedule of when they’re supposed to drop bills, when they’re supposed to give you time enough to read them, to really debate them. And especially as a representative, you know, the House of Representatives is supposed to be the people’s house. That’s where things are supposed to be deliberated even more so than the Senate. Right. Even, you know, by the original founding that we had, this is supposed to be where you’re supposed to have an ability to really talk about the logic of things and have these deep discussions. And for them to do that on a Friday, to not schedule maybe even for next week, to give themselves adequate time to debate, to put these bills out there for public knowledge. Yeah. And disheartening is a word that comes to mind. It’s maybe not the most precise word, Representative Brooks. But it just shows the nefarious nature of what they’re doing when a schedule such as this is proposed. And then, again, it does not feel coincidental at all that Senate Bill 25-183, the Quote unquote coverage for pregnancy related services happened to have its final reading on Sunday at all.
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Yes. No, that that’s that that’s you’re absolutely right. I mean, it is so many different avenues that the majority party could have chosen to take. And truly, the majority party, when you are the majority party. And I say that with a great sense of hope that one day Republicans shall reclaim that title ourselves. You have a great bit of power, a great bit of say in how the proceedings will develop. So to put all of these bills on one day and then to limit debate onto a Friday, It’s just indefensible to say that they’re trying to do the best work for Colorado. Everything about doing that on Friday and limiting debate, stacking up these bills, one on top of each other, asking us to be done by 6 o’clock, and then when we say no, they turn around and then rule 14, so we have to be done by a certain time. And then we did start an hour earlier. So all of it just says… We’re pushing this through. There’s nothing that you can do to stop us. And God help Colorado. And honestly, that is unfortunately the truth. That is why we need to make sure that we’re backing very good candidates come 2026. And then, yes, to bring them in, to bring us back in on Sunday, 10 o’clock in the morning. And then we worked the very first one, as you just mentioned. Senate Bill 183, the official title, I believe, is coverage for pregnancy-related services, which is, it just does not describe really what this bill and the intent of it is, and that is to just further expand abortion services in Colorado. They like to call them averted births, but You know, the death cult can call them whatever they would like. It is abortion services that are paid for by tax dollars. We worked that first bill, Alan, for three hours, for three hours, which is funny to me in some ways because we had been limited on Friday in second reading to two hours. We get to Sunday where third reading, Each member of the House is only allowed to speak twice for a total of 10 minutes. If you go up one time and run your 10 minutes, that’s fine. If you come up twice and only go two minutes each time, well, then you’re done at four minutes. So we ended up running debates for over three hours, and that’s when things started to turn very ugly after that because we got Rule 16’d. which means that the question is immediately called and no more debate on an item. They were done talking about it, and we were just getting warmed up.
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And it’s not easy to imagine or it’s not that hard to imagine why they would immediately want to silence debate. But let’s unpack some of these words about 183 because they use a lot of stuff, family planning related services, the irony of you having to be enrolled in children’s basic health plan in order to get an abortion. And again, I want to come back to this averted pregnancies bit. But Before we do, one of the great sponsors and longtime sponsors of the show for Kim Monson has been Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim Monson. Make sure and sign up for the weekly email newsletter where you can get a first look at all the upcoming guests as well as the most recent essays. Thank you for contributing to support the independent voice and exercise our right to the freedom of speech. On the line we have Representative Max Brooks. And it’s kind of ironic that we’re talking about the exercising our right to freedom of speech, especially with the shenanigans going on at the state house. And, you know, before break, we were talking about the Senate Bill 183. So coverage for pregnancy related services. I just wanted to read a little the blip that it has online, the legislative summary of it. And again, the irony and just the Orwellian doublespeak. to say that the bill expands the definition of family planning-related services to include abortion care. So, again, this idea that somehow you’re helping with family planning by aborting kids is just unbelievably double. How do you have both? But then also— This idea, we’re going to go back to they can’t be pregnant women. It’s got to be pregnant persons. You also have to be enrolled in the Children’s Basic Health Plan. So we’re going to kill kids, but you got to make sure you’re signed up for the Children’s Basic Health Plan in Medicaid, which, again, is taxpayer funded. But, you know, Representative Brooks, one of the one of the key things I wanted to highlight when it was in committee and you had mentioned this before the break, this idea of averted pregnancies, just this way of describing it in a different way, thinking that we won’t understand what that is, but. It was sick and twisted to me that one of the logic used in averting a pregnancy was actually that we’re going to be saving money by averting these pregnancies. I mean, that’s a little eugenic for me to be talking about it this way. You know, it used to be safe, rare, and legal. Now we’re talking about saving money. I mean, this is pretty twisted.
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Absolutely, you nailed it. Twisted and just absolutely disheartening, disgusting. Yes, Amendment 79 passed. The Democrats do this all the time. They will, what I call, misappropriate a motion. They will take a story, and then they will try to then appropriate it. Well, I can’t say try. They actually successfully do it. They get everybody on their side to bite off on it, you know, the emotion of it, even though it is unrelated. Or they will just, you know, they’ll just mention pieces that are not relevant to a specific bill. And this, in 79, you know, we heard many references to to just how this enshrined into the Constitution the choice. So a lot of their argument was about choice. Well, this wasn’t about choice. This is about taxpayer-funded abortions. And I’ll tell you, I would love to poll Every single person that voted yes for Amendment 79 and asked them, now that they’ve seen Step 2, which passed yesterday in Senate Bill 183, now that they’ve seen that, is this what they had in mind? Is that what you had in mind, Mr. and Mrs. Voter? when you cast your vote in favor of amendment 79 because i would be willing to bet alan that the answer is no that they were either misled thinking that this was simply to enshrine choice into the colorado constitution um or or or just outright outright lied to um yeah the other piece of this the democrats get up there and they talk about how old that you we are executing the will of The voters. It is our right. I couldn’t keep a straight face during this piece when I heard them say it was their responsibility to carry out the Colorado Constitution. And I thought, well, gee, what about everything else when you have used either the Colorado Constitution or the United States Constitution as toilet paper? You’re picking this as you’re going to be staunch defenders of the Constitution now. Well, yay, that’s fantastic. But let’s consider that Amendment 79, what it did not do, it did not mandate the use of public funds. What it did was it removed the prohibition of the use of public funds. This is very much, in my mind, what the Democrats, unfortunately, are very good at, that they will take one step, take a half measure, to then crack the door open for them to then come barging through the door in the next legislative session. If you were not suspicious, you might say that this is an unintended consequence. If you understand that it was the intended consequence all along, then you just know better. This was a one-two step in order to have public-funded abortions and, as you mentioned, to save Colorado money. It’s absolutely eugenics.
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And, you know, we’ve seen this in Canada. It’s especially places in the U.K. where they have universal health care. It’s not much farther saying we’re going to save money by doing this before the elderly, the infirmed are getting doctor-assisted suicides because, again, the same sort of argument is made. Yeah. Before we move on, I do want to get over to 1312, so legal protections for transgender individuals. But Kim does make a point, and I forgot to do this, and I want to make sure and do this. The authors of Senate Bill 25183, again, that coverage for, quote, pregnancy-related services, taxpayer funding, again, like you said, take an inch, they’ll grab a mile, now we’re going to be paying for abortions. The authors on that were Robert Rodriguez, Lindsay Doherty, Lorena Garcia and Julie McCluskey. Again, like Representative Brooks said, yesterday it passed on a 38 to 21 vote. There were six excused, zero absent. Was that party line, Representative Brooks?
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So, again, it’s pretty obvious what side fights for what. But, again, we’re talking about Orwellian doublespeak and this House Bill 25-1312, so legal protection for transgender individuals. And, you know, Representative Brooks, I want to make sure we save – At least seven minutes, five, seven minutes here at the end of the show to get to this joint resolution talking about the Constitution of the Tabor. But before we go to break here, just wanted to maybe start from the back and work our way to the front on this 1312. Because Sections 8 and 9 define what den naming and misgendering are. Which, again, for those that don’t know, it’s when an individual who is confused – believes they are a different gender and they choose a new name, if you use their legal name, you are now deadnaming and misgendering. And this bill is saying that deadnaming and misgendering will be discriminatory acts in the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, and it will prohibit these discriminatory acts in places of public accommodation. So You know, Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act has not had a very popular run in the Supreme Court. We’ll page Masterpiece Cake Shop and 303 Creative on those. And I mean, again, just just that alone should be pretty concerning to us. So we’ll get a couple of thoughts here, Representative Brooks, and we’ll go to break and then start wrapping this one up, too.
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OK, no, it’s before. We could jump into 1312. It is worth noting that House Bill 1309 was heard first. And the reason that that’s important is because of how our debate ended on 1309 set the scene then for zero debate. zero discussion for 1312 and then Senate Bill 129. The end of 1309, which is the protect access to jigger-affirming healthcare, 1309 was, it ended in absolute disaster. We had had our say, we were done, and then we as a caucus had basically turned over the wrap-up to the bill’s sponsors. That is, typical right the bill sponsors usually have the final word so the bill sponsors and on that one is uh is reps in the house reps brown and rep to tone rep brown came up and and gave his bid and then rep to tone came up and GAVE A SPEECH THAT IN MY ESTIMATION REPTITONE HAD PROBABLY WROTE IT YEARS AGO AND WAS LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO JUST DELIVER THIS NOW. THIS WAS REPTITONE’S MOMENT TO DELIVER THE SPEECH THAT COMPARED REPUBLICANS TO NAZIS. BASICALLY CALLED US FEAR MONGERS AND NAZIS. AND WE OBVIOUSLY JUMPED UP, WE OPPOSED, OBJECTED, AND THEY SHUT DOWN DEBATE IMMEDIATELY. Representative Weinberg got up, did a very good job in representing the caucus and saying that, you know, we had been very respectful through debate and to go in that direction was uncalled for. And certainly he is right. Absolutely uncalled for. Breach of decorum and was just a real show of disrespect and just hyperbolic nonsense. So we got Rule 16 at that point, which immediately limited debate. We had to vote on 1309. That, Alan, meant that for House Bill 1312, legal protections for trans individuals, and then Senate Bill 129, the legally protected health care activity protections, that was, we were already under 16 rule 16 no debate whatsoever so for I think what people would would believe to be the worst piece of legislation of the day 1312 we had zero discussion in it whatsoever oh and by the way the gender dysphoric representative to tone after calling Republicans Nazis on the floor before the discussion on 1312 decided that Representative Titone needed to go get a haircut and zoomed in from the salon for the remainder of the afternoon, was not even present. There were roughly about 10 Democrats that were not even present in the chamber, had better things to do than work for Colorado that day. But Titone drops that bomb and then leaves the chamber to go get a haircut and then zooms in because you have to turn on your camera when you vote so we can see representative tone at a salon. It was just very distasteful, very disrespectful to Colorado voters. I don’t care. I don’t care who you are, what party. you deserve more than that, Alan. Absolutely deserve more.
SPEAKER 10 :
And it’s very ironic when they drop things like Nazi and drop historical references like this and yet want to limit debate and want to limit the expression of ideas and limit the ability for people to hear from their representatives and for representatives to actually represent their districts. So You know, let’s let’s go to break and finish up with 1312 and and hopefully we’ll get a quick rendition of the Tabor resolution and some of the budget deficit stuff. But these are very important bills and we can discuss these because of great sponsors such as Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim Monson while she is traveling. Make sure and visit the website, kimmonson.com. There you can read some of the very important essays that are being written for this site. You can catch up on old podcasts. Also, if you need to email Kim, you can email her at kim at kimmonson.com. Thank you all for contributing to support the independent voice and exercising the right to freedom. Joining us on the phone is Representative Max Brooks of House District 45. Again, some pretty big things happening over this weekend. And we haven’t even really gotten enough time to even talk about some of the Tabor issues that are going on at the statehouse, trying to get taxpayer funding to get rid of the Taxpayers Bill of Rights. But let’s get into it. House Bill 1312, again, this legal protections for transgender individuals. And Representative Zakai, I think I’m mispronouncing that, but Zakai said this, and this is a quote, because there was a lot of talk about not having stakeholder involvement in this bill. And the representative said, quote, but a well-stakeholdered bill does not need to be discussed with hate groups. And we don’t ask someone passing civil rights legislation to go ask the KKK for their opinion, end quote. And again, when you get into comparing Republicans to Nazis, we’re talking about a speech code here, a civil, the civil rights religion, this speech code forcing people to. to say things that are, one, just not true. This idea of dead naming and misgendering somebody, that somebody can choose a different name other than their legal name, and enforcing a speech code, and yet they want to somehow try and take the moral high ground and not claim that they are the KKK, or somebody akin to the historical Nazi regime, who I also believe did enforce speech codes. So your thoughts, Representative Brooks?
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No, you’re absolutely right. I mean, that was that came out a committee that was in the Judiciary Committee. And that was Rep. Zokai was responding to Representative Caldwell, one of our fantastic caucus members, saying that he just did not feel like this had been discussed enough. And keep in mind. That discussion is not, again, it is it the policy, not we the people. Discussion is not their primary motivation here. Cramming through their own personal agenda is what the actual discussion is about, if that’s what they want to call it. Representative Caldwell was taking exception to the fact that maybe parents had not been discussed. or not have been stakeholder. And then that is when Representative Zokai decided to basically liken parent groups to hate groups in the KKK. Don’t forget, it was only, I believe, last session, if not the session before, that Representative DeHill, who fortunately is no longer in the House of Representatives, had said, quote unquote, that parents are the problem. I’m not exactly sure what terrible childhood she experienced, but she apparently felt that that meant that everybody must have experienced a terrible childhood and that parents were the problem. So the sooner that they’re able to get parents out of the way, the better. 1312, if you remember, Alan. the chant from that parade in New York, we’re coming for your children, this is very much that. That if, let’s say, your seven-year-old son, biological male son, seven years old, and I’m just picking a number, comes to you and says, you know, Daddy, I think I’m a girl. And, you know, I have a teacher at school that has been helping me understand that I’m a girl. And you say, well, little Johnny, you know what, I’m not so sure that that’s the case. You’re actually a boy. And then that biological male son then goes back and tells the teacher, oh, geez, you know, my dad is saying that, no, I’m not the girl that I’m being told I should be. Guess what? Child protective services can now take your child away because now you have misgendered. If you have misgendered your child, even while trying to seek treatment, for their gender dysphoria. And keep in mind that by the age of 20 years old, many of these transitioners are looking to detransition because, gosh, here’s a newsflash, teenagers often do confused and rash things. And when they realize that, no, they’ve grown out of this, they may have been taken away from the home already because God forbid you misgender somebody or call somebody by their given name.
SPEAKER 10 :
But we need to remember, Representative Brooks, science matters until it doesn’t support a popular opinion, right? That’s right.
SPEAKER 18 :
Weren’t we all asked to follow the science? Well, that’s a big thing. Follow the science. Follow the science during COVID. You know, I don’t want to mirror mask, but I was told follow the science. Well, Now that we’re here, I need a book about which science we’re supposed to be following because it apparently changes given the argument for the policy they’re trying to push.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it doesn’t change, though. It’s the science that supports the ideology that the left has. So if a scientific opinion does not support their policy, then that’s not real science, right? But I do want to get back to something real quick, Representative Brooks, because it’s very important. Sometimes it’s easy to talk about parental rights and how they’re being infringed. But again, the legislative summary of the bill, just listen to some of these words. So… deadnaming misgendering or threatening to publish material related to an individual’s gender affirming health care services is a type of coercive control again coercive control and a court shall consider reports of coercive control when determining the allocation of parental responsibilities in accordance with the best interests of the child. So when we say that they are directly saying that parents do not have a say in how their child is raised, this is why we’re using it. A court shall consider. They are considering this coercive control. This is now a discriminatory act. And they can use the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act to go directly to parents and say, no, no, you don’t know what your four year old wants to name himself. If he wants to name himself after some robo gobo character, you’re going to have to abide by that now, parents, because we the state, we the state know how best to parent your children. And, you know, we only have a couple minutes here, but I want your last thoughts on this. Again, we weren’t able to get to the House Joint Resolution 25-1023, something very important for the listeners to look up. Again, basically directing the Assembly Committee on Legal Services to file a lawsuit in the state, challenging the constitutionality of TABOR. Again, they’re really interested in the Constitution of Tabor, Constitution when they can use it. But last thoughts here, Representative Brooks, on 1312.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, they’re coming for your children, and on Tabor, they’re continuing to come for your money. For Tabor, that’s your money. That’s the taxpayer’s money. It is the taxpayer bill of rights. But quote, unquote, from the Democrat chair of the Joint Budget Committee, Tabor is the reason we can’t have nice things. That is the quote unquote from from Senator Bridges.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s perfect.
SPEAKER 18 :
You have to wrap up. Yep. Ten seconds. That there were 13,000, 13,000 gender surgeries in 2020, 13,000 nationwide. That’s against 51 million regular medical procedures across the country trying to legislate to a vast minority simply for the policy.
SPEAKER 10 :
And thank you, Representative Brooks. Keep up the great work there at the Statehouse. End of show quote from Abraham Lincoln. Character is like a tree and reputation like a shadow. The shadow is what we think of it. The tree is the real thing. So stay focused on truth. Today, be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you and God bless America. And stay tuned for hour number two.
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And welcome to the Kim Monson Show. I’m Alan Thomas. Excited to be guest hosting today while Kim is out traveling and visiting family. Thank you all for joining. You are each valued and treasured today. Strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, soul, mind, and body. Thank you, Producer Joe, for all your hard work. And, you know, the conversations are great. We probably need about four hours to discuss everything that the Democrats are doing. But if you miss the first hour, it’ll be rebroadcast from 1 to 2 today. We talked to Representative Brooks about some of the goings on down at the Statehouse. But thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow, Producer Joe.
SPEAKER 12 :
Oh, it’s my pleasure, Alan. And, you know, Representative Brooks, as I was thanking him for being on this show, he said something funny. Wouldn’t it be great if we could just, like, get on and be like, hmm, it’s peaches and cream. I don’t really know what to talk about here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Wouldn’t that be nice? The only nice thing about it is that there is an end in sight, that the legislative session will end, although we might be in what feels like purgatory right now as freedom lovers, but it will end eventually. And luckily, if you do believe in a higher power, you know that we serve a higher purpose, that we fight for these issues because we fight for truth. But at the end of the day, I believe in a God and I believe in a God who at the end of times will make everything right. Make sure and visit the website. The website is KimMonsonMonson.com. Make sure and sign up for the weekly email newsletter. That way you can make sure and tune in to the beginning hours. You’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests on Sunday. They send out the whole schedule. You’ll also see the most recent essays. Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. Kim buys all of our airtime, so we appreciate everyone who donates to allow us to talk about the nefarious ways of the Colorado State Legislature and the tyrannical majority right now. And with that, the word of the day is pretty apropos for… for what’s going on. So the word of the day is diablerie. D-I-A-B-L-E-R-I-E. It is a noun, and it means reckless mischief and charismatic wildness. More reckless mischief was why I chose it. Again, we would like to call it diablerie, what’s going on. But this goes, as Representative Brooks pointed out, way past mischief into just tyrannical coercion and using the state, again, to go after parental rights, to use force, to use words like discrimination, to invent words such as misgendering and dead naming, and to use that as a threat against parents for not conforming to their ideology. So Very terrifying stuff. Again, with everything that went down this weekend at the statehouse, wanted to bring up a quote by James Madison. He was born March 16th, 1751 until June 28th, 1836. He was an American statesman, diplomat. Founding father, he was the fourth president of the United States, but probably, and dare I say, even more importantly, is known as the father of the Constitution. He did very influential and important work in getting the Constitution drafted. He was heavily involved with the Federalist Papers, with Alexander Hamilton in trying to convince the public to adopt the Constitution. He then became an advocate of the Bill of Rights. He initially was against it, later became a fierce advocate for them. And he said the following. And again, when we talk about the Bill of Rights, this quote was you can see it’s very easily intended towards a passage of free speech. But it has such implications beyond that, that it’s a very important quote. So he said, a popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to the farce or a tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. And a lot of what happens down at the state house happens because many of these legislators believe that we, the people, are ignorant of the goings on. That the people in whole, and again, there are very many of us that care very deeply and try and stay as informed as possible, but for the most part, they are hoping that the people as a whole are ignorant of what is going on. So again, knowledge will forever govern ignorance. The more people that are knowledgeable means less people will be ignorant. So we have a lot of important sponsors of the show. One of those is Roger Mangan.
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Yeah, absolutely. It brings me to the… Commercials I see on TV all the time, a company to be unnamed always concludes their advertisement with, buy what you need. How do you really know what you need? The need in Colorado, for example, I think that is paramount is underinsured motorist coverage because conservatively, 25% of the people on the road in the Denver Metroplex do not have any insurance. And those that have insurance may have the state minimum insurance. when it comes to underinsured motorists. As a matter of fact, in Colorado, you can waive by law uninsured motorists and not have any of that coverage. Now, is that good or bad? Well, let’s take your situation as a consumer in your car. You’re responsible. You have a good job. You have a family. You’re going to buy the coverage you need. But that depends on your situation. For example, if you’re an entrepreneur and you don’t have disability insurance through a corporate employer, then your need is greater than the person that has that coverage. So I hit you and I don’t have insurance and you are making $100,000 a year and you can’t work for two years. Can you go one month, two months, two years without any income? Well, that person who hit you may be compliant with the law, He may have underinsured motorists, but if he waived it, obviously he doesn’t have any. So where do you turn in that situation? You turn to your own carrier, in this case State Farm is my company, and I would look at your policy and say because of your situation, your unique situation, here’s how you should structure that particular coverage.
SPEAKER 13 :
But how can that be that people don’t have coverage here in Colorado? Because I thought there was a law that said you did have to have coverage.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, there is a law, but you can waive that coverage with that company you’re buying your insurance from. And if you do, then you become personally, fiscally responsible for a law. And if you don’t have coverage, If you’ve waived the coverage, and your insurance company says, okay, you don’t have to buy it, sign this waiver, they’re on their own, so now you get hit by this uninsured motorist, and he has no financial strength to pay you anything. So what happens, the law is on the books that says, yes, you should have it, but the insurance companies let you waive it. So they’re almost like, that’s a noncompliant relationship off the get-go. So let’s say that you… Buy it, but you have the state minimum of $15,000, $30,000. In which case, I hit you. I’m the underinsured motorist in this case. Not uninsured, but underinsured. You win a suit of $100,000. My company steps in. and pays you 15,000, you’re out to 75,000. So if you are properly insured with your own carrier, they can step in and pay the deficit for that amount. But we’re talking about If we’re talking about marginal incomes and pain and suffering and everything else that goes with an accident, you get hit by someone who has no insurance at all, then your carrier, for example, in your case, Kim, I might design a plan where I give you $500,000 of uninsured motors because you’re out there fairly… empty in terms of disability insurance unless you went on bought it on your own so you get hit now by me i have no insurance and your income is such that state farm could be on the hook for five hundred thousand dollars to pay you for to reimburse you for the lost income you would have earned during that period as you’re convalescing through that repair of that medical situation so
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas. I’m pleased to be hosting the show today while Kim is traveling. Make sure and visit the website, KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. There you can sign up for the newsletter, get a first look at upcoming guests, as well as the most recent essays. Thank you all for contributing to support the independent voice and exercising your right to the freedom of speech by supporting it. And something that should also be on your bucket list if you’re ever going through Pueblo is to visit the Center for American Values. It’s on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. It was co-founded by the Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients in teaching and upholding the principles of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. For more information, check out our website, AmericanValuesCenter.org. That’s AmericanValuesCenter.org. So I know in the first hour we got to cover a lot of what’s going on at the state house and some of the terrifying bills. But also in the first hour I got to talk a little bit about some of the sports headlines happening this past weekend, one of them being Alex Ovechkin passing Wayne Gretzky, for the all-time NHL goal scorers and the fact that Gretzky was there to win Ovechkin did that is just a good sportsmanship and fortunately today we have Colonel Rutledge joining us to talk some about the Masters Tournament and the history regarding that and one of the Cool traditions in the Masters Tournament is the prior award winner gets to put the jacket on the upcoming winner. So this year, Scotty Scheffler will be putting the green jacket on whoever wins. But just a good tradition of sportsmanship and the values and the virtue that that instills. And we’re very fortunate to have on the show with us Colonel Rutledge to give us some of that history. So welcome to the show, Colonel Rutledge.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, good morning, Alan. It’s a pleasure to talk with you. And I talked with Kim over the weekend and she’s enjoying being in San Diego with her family.
SPEAKER 10 :
She is indeed. You know, those grandkids can, they’re a handful for parents, but for grandparents, it is fun. You get to have fun with them, rile them up and give them back to the parents at the end of the day. Right?
SPEAKER 16 :
Very true. And you were talking about, uh, some of the highlights over the weekend on sports. Um, The University of Florida in Houston will be playing tonight for the national championship. And I say this with pride because I’m a graduate of the University of Florida.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, well, there you go. So you got skin in the game there. It was a pretty historic Final Four. I mean, when you look at some of the ratings, those four teams ranked among top ten all time, and we got to witness it all in one tournament. So it’s – I love March Madness, just seeing these kids compete and the storylines. It’s pretty remarkable.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, it is, and – Kim and I talked very briefly about March Madness about a week or so ago. And it’s just a great time. It is a great time.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I was about to say. We got Augusta National coming up this weekend. So fortunately, we have you to give us some history on that tournament. And I got to say, I learned quite a bit just reading some of your summary. And I’m looking forward to hearing more about it.
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, when we talk about the Masters, We have to first preface it by talking a little bit about Bobby Jones. Because without Bobby Jones, there would be no Masters. Bobby Jones was the greatest amateur player in American history. And a little bit of background on him. He was born in 1902 in Atlanta to a very prosperous family. And he was given many opportunities. And to learn the game early. By the time he was 14, he was winning statewide golf tournaments. And he graduated from high school at 16. He graduated from Georgia Tech when he was 20 with a degree in engineering. And following that, he went to Harvard and got a degree in English literature and was a great writer. And following that, since his father was in the business field, he went to law school in Atlanta. And law school normally would run two to three years, and then he would be able to take the bar. However, after one year in law school, he took the bar examination for Georgia and passed it. So he dropped out of law school. And then he began to continue to travel as an amateur golfer, and there was no one who could match him. And in those days, people failed to remember that there were very few professional golfers. Many, many of the winners of the Open and a few others during that era were amateurs. But Bobby stood out, and he was outstanding. And his peak was in 1930. In 1930, he achieved then what Tiger Woods achieved in his era. He won the Big Four. And the Big Four back in those days of the majors was the U.S. Amateur, the U.S. Open, the British Amateur, and the British Open. And only if you were rather prosperous could you afford to be going to those tournaments in England since you had to go by ship, and it was very costly. And he had actually gone over there several times and won more than one Open. But the key was 1930 because it was the first time someone had won all four Majors. He came back. He had a ticker tape parade down the main street in New York City. He was welcomed back at home. And then he surprised everyone because he was only 28 years old in 1930. He said, I’m going to retire. I’m going to retire from competitive golf. And this sort of shook the golf world. But it was reality because he had plans then to find a location in Georgia where he could build his golf course that met his specifications and would be, as it turned out, would be a lasting memory to his expertise not only as a player but as a businessman and, above all, as a creator of the most sought-after golf trophy in the world, the Masters.
SPEAKER 10 :
And Colonel Rutledge, I believe you also have some connections, some personal connections to the British Open. You happen to be over there for a little bit.
SPEAKER 16 :
It was an interesting experience. Back in 1988, we did a home exchange in East Anglia in England. And our next-door neighbor was a former captain of the local golf course. And there are little golf courses scattered all over. And he began his golfing career when he was 8 years old as a caddy. And he was 12 years old in 1930, and his father said… Cliff, we’re going to not go to school this week because we are going to go up to St. Andrews to watch Bobby Jones. So Cliff went up there with his father and saw Bobby Jones when he won the final of the four majors at St. Andrews, the home of golf. And one of the ironies of it is that Cliff – was a lifelong golfer, and after he had retired, he got together with some of his friends, and they formed a small club that each Sunday would go to a different golf course in the area on East Anglia. And they were out on one Sunday morning in October 1993, And Cliff had had some heart problems earlier, but he’d regained his health. And he was on the fourth green and was ready to putt, and he had a heart attack, and he died right there. And it could have been no better place for him. And his wife talked to us about it later on. And I had had an opportunity to play one round of golf with him while we were there. And it was a memorable situation, but it showed how people viewed Bobby Jones, even in England, and the chance to go and see him play was the chance of a lifetime for a golfer.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, I can’t even imagine being 12 and getting to see that. And it was kind of funny. In your notes, you had mentioned that Cliff had played for the Eggs, the Elderly Gentlemen’s Golfing Society. So what a great name for a society like that. That’s very English. It’s very English. It’s very English. You know, I think when I get to that age, I might start my own egg society as well. That sounds like a great way to retire.
SPEAKER 16 :
You could do it, but you’re going to have to change that name slightly because those were gentlemen in English, so you’re going to have to come up with a little variation.
SPEAKER 10 :
We’ll come up with the variation in his honor. But, you know, we’re going to go to break and hear about a sponsor of the show, Karen Levine. And then maybe when we get back, you can talk a little bit more about Bobby Jones and specifically the golf course for where the Masters is now held each year. But, again, one of the great sponsors of the show is Karen Levine.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas, guest hosting the show while Kim is traveling and seeing some family. Thank you all for listening. Make sure and visit the website, KimMonson.com. There you can sign up for the weekly email newsletter where you can get a heads up about some great guests such as Representative Max Brooks in hour number one. And on the line with us right now is Kim. retired Colonel Rutledge he was in the United States Air Force and he has some pretty fascinating history on the Masters Tournament again that’s going to be starting here this Thursday culminating with the green jacket hopefully being awarded on Sunday pending any tie holes or any shenanigans that might happen that usually ends there on a on a Sunday and you know Colonel Rutledge I remember growing up that’s a Sunday afternoon is when we would watch some golf and dad would take a little afternoon nap and we could watch some of the Masters and run around and have fun. But, you know, if we go back to 1930, Bobby Jones just retired and then he decided he didn’t have enough to do. So he wanted to stay involved with golf, right?
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Yes. Bobby had apparently had an idea for a number of years that after his retirement as a player, He wanted to build his ideal golf course, as he viewed it. And he wanted it to be built in the state of Georgia. So he did a lot of research and had friends who gave him tips and connections around the state. And they finally found a location near Augusta, Georgia, right near the Savannah River. And it was a a place that had been a nursery and it dated back from the 1850s and actually had a big antebellum home there that they initially had planned to tear down. But today we recognize it when we watch television as the Butler cabin where they all assemble and do exactly as you mentioned earlier. have last year’s winner take the green coat and put it on to the new champion. So that was there. But otherwise, it was 315 acres of land that they looked at and walked the area and said he and Cliff Roberts, who was a good friend of his and a good businessman, elected that as the best place for them to do the construction. But this was right at the beginning of the Great Depression, so finances was a huge problem. And even though the property was not being used, it was nevertheless a lot of land, and they did their best to make good contacts with people. who were chief executive officers of nationally known firms and great golf fans, in order to try to assemble enough money. They put together about $70,000 as sort of a binder, and they were going to pay more, of course, to close out the deal. But their views were that this was the perfect location. And a few minutes later, we’ll I want to read exactly what Bobby said later was his first impression when he went to that location because it reflects his emotions and what a great writer he was. But now that they had put their money down, they sought support. And the idea was this. The Augusta National was to be a private golf course They had not spoken of any kind of tournaments. It was to be done as a very exclusive place. And he had grown up going to a country club to learn his golf in Atlanta. So Bobby was visualizing some of the things that he had learned over the years. But his main concern was the right location to give him the freedom to to design the course based upon all of his years of travel and competition in golf. And he felt that that was the right place. So he actually hired an English doctor. And he was an MD, but he was also an architect for golf, Alistair McKenzie. Sounds very appropriate. Dr. McKenzie was going to do some of the layout, but everything was subject to the approval of Bobby. Bobby walked the course with him. They went over, they spent many, many hours just getting acquainted with the property and the terrain. And Bobby had veto rights on every detail. But nevertheless, he wanted to give tribute to Bobby. Dr. McKenzie in after years when people would ask, well, who designed your course? He would often give credit to him. But nevertheless, Bobby was the one who called the shots.
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And it’s kind of interesting because, you know, he didn’t make it easy. His ideal golf course, again, when we talk about virtuous people, was one that was going to push him. And they call it Amen Corner. That’s holes 11, 12, and 13. It’s kind of where… If you’re looking at an aerial of the course, it’s kind of a corner. So those three holes kind of turn around. And Amen Corner is pretty famous for how brutally difficult it is to navigate. Three very difficult holes all in a row, almost right after the turn when you start your back nine.
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That’s true. However, we must remember the 15th hole because the 15th hole, was the key in 1935 to guarantee the survival of the tournament. Let’s go back to the start of it. First of all, they were building it, and they realized that they couldn’t collect enough money just from the general public, so they had to elect to do a tournament as a fundraiser. The idea on the fundraiser was to make it such an attractive event that new people who could afford to pay the membership and join the club would suddenly come to Augusta and become a part of their corporate structure. So it made a lot of sense to do that. So 1934 was their first effort in this respect. But because of Bobby Jones’s notoriety, what they did, Grantland Rice, who was the greatest sports writer of that era, was approached and told what their plans were. And he said, well, this is going to work out fine, Bobby, but you have to come out and play. Now, Bobby now had not been playing competitively for four years, but his reputation was so great that they knew it would attract not only spectators, but it would attract as many of the better golfers as possible. There were very few professional golfers in that era. And their equipment still was wood, and they didn’t use steel in their clubs or in the shaft. So it was a different world. But nevertheless, they wanted to come back. And so they set the tournament up, and they decided it would be in March of 1934. But unfortunately, March weather in Georgia is not much better than March weather this year was in Colorado. They had rain and wind, and it was not a very pleasant situation. But nevertheless, they were… Famous enough because Bobby had agreed to come out of retirement and play in the tournament. So because of that, Rice and other writers in the sporting field made a lot of information on it, many news releases. So it became well known. And because of that, it attracted the better golfers. And also, it was the second, only after the U.S. Open, to second golf event to be broadcast nationally over the radio. So that was just the introduction to the notoriety of the Masters. And it wasn’t called the Masters on the first tournament. It was an Augusta National Golf Course invitation. Bobby felt that it was… being a little bit too inappropriate to be calling a Masters when they didn’t even know if they would have the best golfers there. And he was reluctant. Now, Cliff Roberts right from the beginning and Grant Unright said, no, it’s going to be the Masters. So Bobby didn’t actually agree on that for about three years. And then he finally recognized… that it was growing into a unique tournament. And for all of the golf fans who are listening to us this morning, the Masters is unquestionably the most watched golf event in the world. Because of the spread of golf all over, the people in Japan are watching it, people in Europe, people in North Africa, in the Middle East, Korea, Japan, and China even are all glued to their TV sets. And not only that, not only is it the greatest event as far as golf and the winning of the trophy, but it’s the hardest thing to get a ticket to. I have a friend in Fort Collins that took him seven years on the waiting list to to be able to get a ticket. And he’s probably representative of many people who aspire to go there. And once he got on the list, however, they would contact him in subsequent years so that he could continue it. And one of the other unique things there is that they’re not just ticket holders. They’re not just customers. They’re called patrons. There’s always a little bit of class and much tradition so that people who go there, it’s an experience of a lifetime.
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And it’s so fascinating that this was all started right in the midst of the Great Depression. You know, the Great Depression around 1929. So Bobby Jones in 1930 is getting this idea for a golf course, starting construction in 1931, right in the midst of the Great Depression. A pretty remarkable story, one, that it was able to even happen, and now, two, just because of his desire to do it, it has such a lasting memory.
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Well, one of the unique contradictions of the Depression is that, yes, there was not very much money and people were really hard-pressed. But also, because of that, the construction prices increased. were a fraction of what it would be today. Matter of fact, everything was somewhat smaller. What they also did, they didn’t have enough money to use for the prizes. They said, okay, we’re going to have the tournament, and we’re going to do this and do that. But they approached the city government of Augusta and said, look, we’re going to bring a lot of people in who are going to bring money and spend in your city. And we’d like a grant from you of $10,000 that we can use for a prize pool. And the city agreed because they had several seasonal hotels. Even in those days, Augusta was a winter locale for those who were rather prosperous. So they did give them the $10,000 that they could use for the prize pool. And then they started trying to speculate on what they should charge for admission. Try this one on for going to Augusta today. For $5, you could go all four days of the tournament. If you only could be there one day, you pay $2. And if you just want to go watch the practice, you could go on Wednesday, and that would be $1. And after the fact, they added up the money, and they found that from the tournament, four days plus practice, their total cash collection was $8,011. And their estimate of the number of tickets sold was around 5,000. Mr. Well, the news people had speculated they might get 20,000. Now, the 5,000 was a smaller number because several of the people came back several times. So collectively, by adding all five days, they estimated they had about 15,000 total. Now, that’s about what they have in just the grandstands in Phoenix today. when they have their open down there each each spring at one hole so the whole thing was it was a different world for golfers and not very many people could get there also transportation to and from augusta in those days was not too great i actually had a chance to go there when i was in Elementary school. I don’t have many memories, but I didn’t get to go to the golf course, unfortunately.
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And just for perspective, $5 in 1930 is approximately equivalent to $95 today, so $95 for the whole weekend. The face value for Masters tickets today is $450 for all four days. So we’re going to go to break, and then we’ll come back with Colonel Rutledge and talk a little bit more about the end of Bobby Jones and kind of some of the things he did. And then also, like Colonel Rutledge said, he studied English literature, so he has a pretty beautiful quote about seeing the the Augusta National Golf Course for the first time. But first, I want to say thanks to John Bosen and Bosen Law for their sponsorship of the show.
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And welcome back to the show. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim Monson while she’s traveling. Make sure and visit the website, kimmonson.com. Sign up for the weekly email newsletter. You’ll learn about guests of the show, such as the one we have online right now, or… on air right now and Colonel Bill Rutledge. We’re learning quite a bit about the Masters and in Augusta National and specifically about Bobby Jones and Colonel Rutledge. He’s not the only colonel. You’re not the only colonel in this story, are you?
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No. What was interesting is that after the Masters was developing and had become a national program, We had World War II started in December 7, 1951. In 1941, within a few months after that, Bobby Jones volunteered to the United States Army Air Corps to become an officer there. I had anticipated that he would have been in the JAG department that is a staff judge advocate because he had a law degree I found out that that was not true he was commissioned as a captain in military intelligence in 1942 and he was also he also was in one of the landing parties during the first week in Normandy in 1944 he was not on the initial one on June 6, but shortly thereafter. So he did serve continuously from 42 in through 44. And then he was returned to the States. And by the time he was mustered out, he was a lieutenant colonel. So when I was doing some of my reading, I couldn’t understand when how some of his friends were referring to him as the colonel. They didn’t say Colonel Jones. They just said, oh, in talking with one another, they’d say, yeah, well, we talked to the colonel today, or the colonel wants so-and-so. And then as I looked back further, I found out that he had a legitimate commission, and he was actually in combat. But this was never discussed in the golf environment. He was a very private individual. And as I say, he’s a very literary individual. He was a great speaker, a great writer. And what many people never became aware of was that he had the onset of a very debilitating health condition that had him in a wheelchair for the last couple of decades of his life. But he would He would always go back for the Masters as long as he was mobile. And I want to conclude on that in a few moments, but perhaps we should cover it right now so we have time. Now, this is an exact quote from his writings after the golf course was constructed several years later, and he was asked, well, tell me about when you really went there. And this is what Bobby said. I shall never forget my first visit to the property, which is now the Augusta National. The long lane of magnolias through which we approached was beautiful. The old manor house with its cupola and walls of masonry two feet thick was charming. the rare trees and shrubs of the old nursery were enchanting. But when I walked out on the great terrace under the big trees behind the house and looked down over the property, the experience was unforgettable. Indeed, it even looked as though it were already a golf course, and I am sure that one standing today where I stood on This first visit on the terrace overlooking the practice putting green sees the property almost exactly as I saw it then. I still like to sit on the terrace and can do so for hours at a time enjoying the beauty of this panorama. Bobby Jones.
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Such a great quote. It is amazing that when you have a vision, kind of like Bobby Jones had, how it can almost feel done already when you step out and see that vision in your mind.
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Well, I’d say few people have an experience as unique as his. However, perhaps most of us who’ve had Many blessings in our lives will recall certain things in certain places, but we’re not as articulate as Bobby. Now, there’s another thing that’s very unique. Well, there are many things that are unique. One thing which I always found interesting was that while Bobby Jones was a student at Georgia Tech, John Heisman, of the Heisman Trophy was the head football coach at Georgia Tech. And his team won a national championship. And Bobby Jones taught John Heisman how to play golf. And Bobby Jones bought him his first set of golf clubs. So in the sporting field, the most sought after award in football nationally is the Heisman Trophy. And the most sought-after trophy in golf is to win the Masters and put on a green jacket. And some of the things that are interesting is that we talked a moment ago about the money, the finances, and how the city of Augusta had given them $20,000. But what they did, they had so many bills that they needed to pay. They took $15,000 to apply towards overdue construction prices. So it only left 5,000 that, no, 15 left, it left, I’m sorry, it left 5,000 of the 20 that they could use for prize money. And first prize was only $1,500. So Horton Smith, who won the trophy, got $1,500. $1,500. And so you had 3,500 to divide up among the other contestants who’d had to travel all the way there and compete. And Bobby competed, and he was part of a foursome, and he was the attraction. But his layoff made his game not as sharp as it was. So the winner was Horton. And Bobby Jones finished 13th in the first Masters. But the key was the second Masters. The following year, they attracted more people because the first one had been successful. And on Sunday afternoon, Gene Sarazin, who was a pro, was running. He was second place when he got to the 15th hole. And so Craig Wood felt he had it in the bag, and he was leading. So on the 15th hole, it was a par 5, and Sarazin had a good drive. And he could see the pin off at the distance, so it wasn’t an extreme dogleg like some of them are now. But even so, it was 230 yards out to reach the green. So we had a, used a four wood, and it was a true wood with a wooden shaft. So he made a, he pointed right at the pin and shot. And he was hoping to get on and make a birdie and maybe qualify even for a playoff. But what happened was the shot, from 230, hit the pin and went in the hole.
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Wow.
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And it was a double eagle. And that double eagle was later referred to by Grantland Rice as a shot that was heard around the world.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s amazing.
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And it just became a part of the history of
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golf it there and um and became an iconic the shot heard around the world so thank you colonel colonel rutledge for for giving us that so unfortunately we’re right up on the end so today be grateful read great books think good thoughts listen to beautiful music communicate and listen well live up honestly and authentically strive for high ideals and like superman stand for truth justice in the american way you are not alone god bless you and god bless america
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