In this episode of The Kim Munson Show, we delve into the intricacies of freedom versus force, a theme that runs deeply through the fabric of the American Revolutionary War. Our guest, Ben Martin, a patriotic historian and former Army Ranger, lends his insights into the sacrifices made by the founding fathers in pursuit of a self-governing nation. We trace the timeline from the colonial struggle under British oppression to the galvanizing events that led to the Declaration of Independence, highlighting the enduring principles and patience needed to achieve liberty.
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Indeed, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment. And thank you to the team I get to work with. That’s producer Steve, Zach, Patty, Keith, Charlie, Jen, Echo, and and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. I truly am blessed to work with such great people. And I want to say thank you to the Harris family for their sponsorship of this show. Our featured guest is Ben Martin, and you know him. He is a patriotic historian. He is a former Army Ranger and a West Point graduate. And we’ll be talking again about our Revolutionary War, the warriors of our Revolutionary War. But I do want to remind you to check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter there. And you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And that is one of the reasons that the colonists decided to declare our independence and got into the Revolutionary War with the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire. And it was rather remarkable what happened. We have these lions of our of our history, these warriors. And we’ve been talking about that this year with Ben Martin. Ben Martin, welcome to the show.
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Hey, thank you, Kim. Glad to be here today.
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And I thank you for pre-recording this. We have pre-recorded these shows for Thanksgiving week because we think it’s such a special time. And so thank you for making this happen, Ben Martin.
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I’m really happy to be part of it. Thank you, Kim, for allowing me. So, Ben Martin, where do you want to start? Well, we want to start, Kim, you know, this is really the end of the war. This is our last portion of our programs this year about the war report. You know, the whole programs were about the founding fathers and about the different things they contributed to our founding and through the different phases of our revolution. not only the Revolutionary War, but our revolution. So this is kind of the end of the war. And so we start off by saying, before we start going into the details here, that everyone should appreciate this. You know, we just had our Veterans Day, and these are special veterans, these founders that fought in this Revolutionary War. And it wasn’t easy. It wasn’t easy at all. They were very dedicated. There was much sacrifice. But they believed in our country, and they believed it was their duty to do the things they did. When we talk about what they had to do, most of them had to leave a job. These weren’t pikers for the most part. The guys that led, the officers that were in our Revolutionary War, Most of them were very successful business people or farmers. They are lawyers or professional doctors. They had a profession before this started, but they gave it all up to be part of this movement, this revolution. to actually build something better than what had ever been seen before, government of the people, by the people, and for the people, self-government, something that had really never been done successfully throughout the 5,000 or 6,000-year written history of the world. And so they knew it was important. They knew it was very peculiar to be able to do this singularly. And so they gave it all. And so we’re going to talk about that. It was not an easy duty, especially during the summertime when it was really hot or in the wintertime when it was really cold.
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And Ben, I wanted to just mention, because we are at a time right now in 2022 America where And I’d had Major General Joe Arbuckle on before the election. And he had said that he thinks that we are at really a 1775 moment where we are in our country now. And I think it’s important that people need to understand that there was a progression of events. It was over a number of years. Where would you say that it fell? first started, which act was it, or the action by the British that kind of lit that fuse, that started the progression to get to the Revolutionary War?
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Well, you know, if we go back and we look at those writs of assistance, those were the first things that they foisted, that the British foisted upon us. That was even before That was right at the end of the French and Indian War, where we were confronted with this, that the British officials here in America could… could conduct a search of your property, anywhere in your property, your business, your home, your farm, your barns, without having any specificity to what they were looking for or where they were looking. And that was the first thing that we fought against. And what year was that? That was back. Well, actually, that started back in the 17th century when they were doing that. But they brought it back to life in 1761. And so we were fighting that. And that was really important. And we had these big. arguments in the town squares and in the town meeting houses about this. And we talked about it then, you know, our founders, our revolutionary founders talked about it.
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The threat to the American idea, the American ideal, And I think now we’re impatient that we want to address these things immediately. But it was 15 years from where things first people started to recognize they were uncomfortable with things. So we must realize that it’s long. It’s a long road. We can’t give up and take heart from our founders.
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Well, we have to. Patience is an important thing. And you don’t get it all at one time. But we have to do what we have to do. And the thing that I think that sustains us through all this principles. If you have principles that you believe in, you know, the things that our founders talked about, the things that the Bible talks about, you know, if you have those principles, you can maintain them. You can hold on to those as you go through some really tough times. And I think that’s what they did, too. They kept looking at what’s the big prize? What is the big objective we’re trying to get to? And so they stayed the course.
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Okay. So with that, I appreciate that, Ben, to give that context. So we’re coming in on the end of the war. So what do you want to talk about?
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Well, first of all, we talked about the founders’ dedication, their sacrifices, and they believed it was their duty. They owed this to, you know, they wanted to be… servants. They wanted to be public servants. They knew that they had education. They knew the lessons of history, and they wanted to put those into practice. And, you know, there were a lot of times when they were faulted for things like that, but they kept on working at it. And so that was important. But these battles and the sacrifices to the military aspect of the revolution Very important, too. So with that, we can go on and talk a little bit before this segment is out about the wrap-up of the war. Now, we have talked about prior to this, we have talked about the early parts of the war. And all of the parts of the war that we have talked about before, happened up, except for that one early battle down in South Carolina, all of these happened in the northern part of our country, in the northern colonies or, you know, the… the northern states that they became. And so we’re now looking at December of 1778, and the British forces are operating in the south, and they captured Savannah, Georgia, in the fall of 1779, and then they went on to be more successful. capturing not only Savannah, but eventually Augusta, and then eventually Charleston, which was the big prize down there. So they captured this. And we had to respond to this. Most of the fighting in the South before We sent down the Continentals before we sent down the regular army. It was done by militia, the Southern militia, and they were called partisans for the most part, or partisans as they sometimes pronounced it. So we looked at Charleston, and that’s who we talked. You and I talked about that before in other programs and things like that. But Charleston comes along, and that is where that’s the biggest problem. DEFEAT WE’VE HAD UP TO THIS TIME. WE LOST A WHOLE ARMY. WE LOST THIS GREAT CITY. And we lost 5,000. Our army at that time that was lost was 5,000 people. And that was really bad. And then all the cannon and stuff and, you know, the ammunition and the supplies, we didn’t have a lot of that then. And so that was really, really a tough blow. And so then we, the Continental Congress says, okay, well, that was gone, and we fire again. well, he’s captured, but then when he gets released, then that’s General Benjamin Lincoln. He’s fired, and then the Congress says, well, we’re going to send a new champion down there, a new commander. And so they send down the quote-unquote hero. of Saratoga, Horatio Gates, General Horatio Gates. And this is against what General Washington is telling him. He said, we don’t want to send him down there. This is going to be a disaster. We need to send… We need to send Green down there, General Green. General Green is the guy that can do all this stuff. You know, he knows he is my most trusted subordinate here. And so we sent him down, but they said, no, we’re not going to do that. And so they sent him down there. Right away, he runs.
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And this is Gates you’re talking about, right?
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This is Gates, yeah. He runs into the British, led by Cornwallis and Clinton down there, in Camden. In Camden, we lose another army, and Gates doesn’t even stay around for the end of the battle. As soon as the going gets tough, he takes off. He has the fastest horse, and he chose to make sure he had the fastest horse. It’s unbelievable. 200 miles, yeah.
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So it was unbelievable. Unbelievable. Hey, Ben Martin, let’s go to break. I’m talking with Ben Martin, and thank you to the Harris family for their sponsorship of this show. And we’re talking about the end of the Revolutionary War. Before we go to break, though, Hooters Restaurants has been a great sponsor of mine, of both the shows, for many years. I greatly appreciate their partnership. It’s a great place to get together with friends to watch sports events. And they have all kinds of specials Monday through Friday on hamburgers or happy hour lunch specials. I love their fish and chips. So be sure and check out the story. How I got to know them is the story about freedom and free markets and capitalism. We’re going to go to break. We will be right back with Ben Martin.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show.
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Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter there. And you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thrilled to have on the line with me, Ben Martin. He’s a patriotic historian, former Army Ranger, graduate from West Point. And thank you to the Harris family for their sponsorship of this show. Okay, so Ben Martin, we have been talking about the end of the Revolutionary War. We’re down in the southern part of the war, and they have sent down Nathaniel Green, right? Do I have that right?
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So they finally listened to him after the catastrophe that Gates was down there. And Gates is now discredited for the most part. He’s still going to be a thorn in the… George Washington side. And we’re going to talk about that, hopefully, in this program, too. But so we’re going there. And now the British in the southern states, really in South, most of this is happening in South Carolina right now. They’ve had such tremendous victories down there we have lost two armies they have they have conquered two of our armies down there huge loss of life huge loss of manpower huge loss of equipment and so they the british down there have now after those two victories and they have firmly established these british outposts all throughout the state General Cornwallis believes it is now time to move his army to the north to go ahead and conquer North Carolina and Virginia next. And the American response from Congress was at this time to listen to George Washington, as we talked about. And he sent Nathaniel Green, they sent Nathaniel Green down there, along with another great subordinate general, and that was Brigadier General Daniel Morgan, that you and I have talked about before, and we’ve talked about that. at length here on your program before. So these two generals, Greene and Morgan, were General Washington’s most able and trusted commanders. Cornwallis did not yet know it, but his fantastical world of devastating victories over American forces was coming to an abrupt end. And as he was about to head north into North Carolina, patriotic militia from Virginia, Tennessee, and the western parts of the Carolinas, who called themselves the Overmountain Men, completely annihilated the loyalists, partisans, that were led by Major Patrick Ferguson, who was a great fighter at the Battle of Kings Mountain on 7 October 1780. This is just a couple of months after the disaster at Camden. And so in that thing, the forces, those over-mountain men, killed or captured all 2,000 of that valuable force that was led by Major Patrick Ferguson. And so that was a big blow to Cornwallis, who thought, hey, you know, he can’t do any wrong. And so King’s Mountain was followed by an even more devastating defeat, which we’ve talked about before, at a nearby place called Calpins. Now, both of these battlefields are on the northern edge of South Carolina’s border, you know, with North Carolina. And so this is where… And Cornwallis thought he was going. You know, I’m going up now to North Carolina because I’ve got everything completely under control here in South Carolina. So then he’s followed by this battle in Cowpens, which is, again, right on the border, just a few miles away from Kings Mountain. And he’s led by Daniel Morgan there. You know, we’ve talked about him before, what a great fighter he was. And it was made up of some of the best continental forces from Delaware and Maryland. You remember when we were talking about the Battle of Brooklyn Heights and we talked about the Maryland 400? Well, these are part of those people that come from Maryland. Now, obviously, they’ve… They’ve had to replace a lot of the people, but they still have that great training, and there’s still a force. Those are two forces that can be counted upon. And so Benny also has riflemen from Virginia and Georgia and the Carolinas. and cavalry led by William Washington, who was a distant cousin of George Washington, and seasoned militia from the Carolinas. And they destroyed this elite British legion, is what they’re called, which was led by the Bloody Bannister Tarleton, or Bloody Bann, as we called it. And that was on 17 January 1781. So in a matter of just a few months, You know, all of a sudden, Cornwallis’ world is turned upside down, and instead of going on into North Carolina, he hears about this great loss of Tarleton’s cavalry. You know, they call it the British Legion, but it’s basically a combined arms, and it’s cavalry. They’re fast-moving. They can conduct attacks. SECURITY MISSIONS FORM, THEY CAN GATHER INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION, AND THEY CAN STRIKE QUICKLY AND WITH LOTS OF POWER. BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE DOESN’T HAVE THOSE PEOPLE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY’VE BEEN WIPED OUT, EITHER KILLED OR CAPTURED ALL BY THE FORCES UNDER DANIEL MORGAN. SO THIS LOSS, THIS PRIZE UNIT MEANT THAT CORDON WALLACE NO LONGER HAD A FORCE TO PROVIDE SECURITY OR INTELLIGENCE. And when Torrelson rode into Cornwallis’ camp the next day, with approximately 200 survivors that were shell-shocked and weary, Cornwallis became enraged and swore he would catch and destroy General Morgan, General Daniel Morgan, and his patriotic forces. And so to this end, Cornwallis said, you know, we’re not going to have all these supply wagons and things like that. We’re going to travel fast so we can catch this guy. So He orders all of his supply wagons and all of his supplies, really, and his tents and everything like that, to be burned before he starts traveling on. So he only keeps a really small store of medical supplies and a couple of ambulance wagons to treat the wounded in future battles. And all this was for naught, since Cornwallis never caught Morgan or Greene until Green was prepared to meet him at Guilford Courthouse. And Morgan had to retire from the field on the way to Guilford Courthouse because of the back pain that he had. I mean, he had really been through a lot in fighting the war and fighting the French and Indian War, too. So this battle at Guilford Courthouse was fought according to a carefully developed plan created by Green on ground that green green had specifically chosen now green has learned a lot from the time that he was with Washington he paid attention to him and he knew that you know you don’t ever wanna risk your army you wanna inflict as much damage as you can to your enemy but you never want to get so decisively engaged that you can’t get out of the can’t get out of the battle so he is just a great student aboard George Washington was was teaching him in so the campaign This campaign where they had to race all the way through South, through North Carolina, get to the Dan River that’s right on the other side of the border with Virginia, and then he comes back to Guilford Courthouse and he fights Cornwallis on his own terms. And he does not win the battle because of what Cornwallis does, firing cannon into his own men that are embroiled with… with the Patriots, and so he decides, okay, I’ve done enough damage to these guys, and he withdraws from the battlefield. So technically you can say he lost that battle, but he created so much loss to Cornwallis’ force And they no longer have any equipment. They no longer have any supplies. They no longer have any wagons. So instead of him thinking he’s going to go on to Virginia, he has to go down to the coast, to Wilmington, North Carolina, and get supplied from the sea by the British supply forces. He’s never gotten permission from his boss, General Clinton, who’s up in New York City, to say, you can go on into those two states, because what Clinton had told him to do was, I want you to stay in South Carolina and keep that place running well. So he’s kind of disobeyed his boss. And so now he has to take a detour, a long detour, to go down to the coast, get some more supplies, get more weapons, get food, and kind of get his men back to normal, where they can do a little R&R and heal from the stuff that they’ve been through by chasing and fighting. Nathaniel Green and his forces.
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And so ultimately he burned his supplies because he didn’t want the colonists, the Continental Army to get them or the militias. And he did that because he wanted to move his forces quickly.
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Am I getting that right? He was so… I mean, he was so infuriated and he was so just overcome by, I’ve got to get this guy. This guy, he’s made me look like a fool. He’s destroyed my best forces. I’ve got to get him. I’ve got to make him pay for this.
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you know yeah emotion never pays for it no for sure hey ben martin let’s go to break i’m talking with ben martin uh regarding the end of the revolutionary war and so we’re going to go to break we will be right back and before we go to break on the line with us is lauren levy great sponsor of both the kim munson show and america’s veteran stories and lauren as you know we pre-record these shows for thanksgiving week and wanted to just ask you about gratitude what’s your thoughts on gratitude
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You know, this year I have different thoughts on gratitude, because as you know, Kim, I’m an empty nester now, and this is the first time that both my kids have been gone for college, and they’re coming home. So I have a ton of gratitude for the fact that I’m going to get to see them, and they’ll get to see each other, more importantly, because they’re really tight. But beyond that, I have the, you know, we talk about sponsoring these shows, and America’s Veteran Stories, we talk about that, and the gratitude that we should have for these people who afforded us to go there to live the life we live, where we can have family get-togethers and you know versus what’s going on let’s say maybe like a ukraine where they’re fighting just to have the right to even do what we do so it’s pretty special and i have a lot of gratitude for what these folks have done for us well i do too and somebody has said to me and we take it for granted it’s the blessings of the mundane
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The blessings of getting up and going to work, to get together with family at holidays, to go to the grocery store and have food that we can buy. And there’s been so many of these blessings of the mundane. However, I’m realizing, I think I’m exceptionally thankful for all those blessings of the mundane. As you mentioned, you think about Ukraine. And oh, my gosh, the people there, people in Russia, what they would they would love to have just the basic days that we have right here. And we are truly blessed here in America.
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Yeah, I should have said that the people that are fighting in Ukraine from the Russian side, most of them probably don’t want to be there either. And their families are not without their loved ones as well. But I guess to further stay with the theme of the American veteran stories, I know there’s people out there that sometimes feel that our military, we spend too much money on it because, quite honestly, sometimes we’re not using it, but we are using it every day with just the power that we show so that people don’t want to fight with us. And I think that allows us to do our everyday life just from a deterrent standpoint.
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Well, absolutely, and I appreciate your sponsorship of America’s Veterans Stories because those that have been willing to put their lives on the line or who gave their lives for our country, we should stop during this time, and we’d be eternally grateful for them. Lauren Levy, you help so many people with new mortgages, second mortgages, reverse mortgages. I’m grateful for your sponsorship. How can people reach you?
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Same to you, Kim. And we’ll be right back.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter there. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. On the line with me is Ben Martin. He is a patriotic historian, former Army Ranger, graduate of West Point. And I want to thank the Harris family for their sponsorship of the show. Our history is so important. And Ben Martin, you bring these people alive. They’re not just these stoic figures moving around. They’re real live people that are alive. making decisions. And when you said that Daniel Morgan, I think you said that he was not able to be in the battle because of back pain that he was in. We forget these are human beings and that pain is real and what they were willing to sacrifice to to capture this liberty or to to bring liberty to us. It’s a big deal. So where do we go from here regarding the stories? Well, we just finished talking.
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Talking, Kim, about the Battle of Guilford Courthouse in North Carolina. And then I told you, Cornwallis and his forces go limping off because they don’t have any more supplies. Their men are worn out trying to chase green across North Carolina. And so they go down to the coast, down to Wilmington, North Carolina, to get resupplied from the sea by the British Navy. And so when they do that, here is Green thinking, you know, these guys are really beat up. I can follow them and I can basically destroy them as they’re going towards the coast. But, you know, he says, I don’t want to do that. You know, he says, I know. they’re going to try to go into Virginia. And I know we have strong forces in Virginia. And he says, there’s still a lot of work to be done. That’s what George Washington wanted me to do. There’s still a lot of work to be done in South Carolina. So he turns around and he heads back to South Carolina. And during that time, this is after the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, he fights three pretty sizable battles in South Carolina. The first one is 25 April of 1781, and it’s called Hobkirk’s Hill. And it’s in South Carolina. It’s kind of one of the first places he goes to when he gets back. And then he fights the siege of 96. And these are all outposts that the British have established under Cornwallis and in South Carolina to give resupply and also control of different areas there. And so that’s another one. And then he also fights… final big battle of the war down in South Carolina, and that’s Utah Springs. And he does that 8 September of 1781. And as I said, he learned well from General Washington to protect his army and limit his losses while inflicting maximum loss to his enemy. And Greene, in those battles, again, Greene did not win one of those battles, but he did inflict such considerable losses to the enemy forces that that they had to evacuate Savannah on 11 July 1782 and then Charleston on 14 December 1782. I mean, they could no longer stay in the field. And so he, by his persistence and his perseverance, stick to it and this kind of thing, and the skills that he had learned to keep alive his forces and to keep them healthy and ready for the next battle. So by his work there, even though he doesn’t win one of those battles, he creates such loss and such hardship on the enemy. that they have to vacate, they have to evacuate the state. And so he gets everything back that way. And so that’s a little side note to know what Green meant for all of us. And now, after that battle, we go back to… going to Virginia. And we go back to Cornwallis, who is now refurbished and refreshed, and he’s bringing his troops into Virginia. And we talk about that big battle of the siege of Yorktown, which happened between 28 September and 19 October of 1781. And so in May, Cornwallis and his battered force finally make it to Petersburg, Virginia, which is very close to Yorktown. And after suffering those heavy casualties at Guilford Courthouse, he immediately assumed command there as the previous commander had died from fever there. And so, as we remember, Cornwallis had never received authority from General Clinton to actually abandon his mission in South Carolina. But here he is with his troops, and he’s going into Virginia. He’s already passed through North Carolina. And with Cornwallis coming into Petersburg, Virginia, with his other reinforcements that are coming from New York from Clinton, the British force now there totals over 7,000 people, which is a pretty strong force in these times. And after some confusion in the orders sent to him by General Clinton, Cornwallis is now being directed by Clinton, after they cleared it all up, to go to Yorktown and build fortifications for a deepwater port there so that they can be supported from the sea and it’s a strong port. And to build fortifications there. So while the British were working on the fortifications in this deep water port in Yorktown, Washington and the French Allied commanders who have now, we know, have come into the war with their Navy and with their forces, they’re represented now mainly by General Rochambeau. They’re trying to reach an agreement between Washington and Rochambeau about where’s the best point to attack and a strategy for a joint operation against the British. So after exploring many options and going round and round, he looked at all these. George Washington really wanted to get New York City back, but he didn’t. They were persuaded by the French Admiral de Grasse, who had been working in the West Indies, and he agreed to bring his powerful fleet and force up from the West Indies to conduct coordinated attacks on the British forces. forces along the American southern coast. So Yorktown was a good candidate, and they agree, this is the proper way to use this great force. And so Washington wanted to maintain complete secrecy for this operation, and so he set in motion all these deception plans to convince Clinton, who was in New York City, that they were planning a secret attack, a major secret attack with these French forces and combined with the American forces on New York City to keep him in place so that he cannot send additional forces down to Yorktown to aid Cornwallis. And it works. And the combined French and American armies march all the way down through Philadelphia. They get there in the early days of September, and then they publicly tell the people in Philadelphia, which is a public place, they have newspapers and stuff like that, we are going to Maryland, and we are going to stay there, and that’s where we’re going to defeat the British. Now, there’s really no British in Maryland to speak of, okay? But, you know, they sell it. And so in the meantime, the grass comes up, brings his fleet up around 5 September, and he takes the fleet and he brings them to the Virginia Capes. He drops off his force there, and then with ships that are empty except for their armaments and the sailors, he sails up to Elk. A POINT WHERE THEY ARE UP IN just right south of Philadelphia. And he picks up all the forces, and he sails them back down to the area around Yorktown in Virginia. So this has all happened now, and he’s down there. And then they start—the British see that this big French fleet is now coming to their area, and so they send— British Admiral Graves, Thomas Graves, down there to try to destroy the French fleet. They have underestimated how strong and how big Degrassi’s fleet is. And so Graves comes down to give battle, and he is beaten and slain. and sent back to New York City. So this works out really well. And so in late September, more troops, artillery, siege tools are being transported into Williamsburg, Virginia now. And by 26 September of 1781, the combined armies of the French, the militia, and the American Continentals is almost 19,000 troops. Oh, my gosh. It’s amazing. And so on 29 September, Washington moved the army close to the British fortifications that are being built in Yorktown, and he begins exchanging fire with the forces there, and that begins the siege of Yorktown. And over the next month, really, basically a little bit less than a month, the French and American forces pound those British fortifications with all these cannon and artillery and mortars and forces that have been brought into the fight by the Americans and by the French. And so this starts to weaken. They’re pounding at them at really short range with all these cannons and mortars and howitzers and the forces, and they’re just destroying gradually destroying the fortifications that had been built by Cornwallis and the British forces there. And they just keep this firing up. relentlessly. And they go into October, the first part of October, and they’re just pounding them all night, too, to keep them awake and keep them on edge. And by 14 October, the trenches that the Americans have been building, the siege warfare where they build trenches and keep getting them closer and closer to the enemy, They’ve been doing those at night and in bad weather times. And so by 15 and 16 October, the Allied shelling of the British fortification is so intense that the Allies bring up more and more big guns to the fight. And so finally, on the morning of 17 October, a British drummer and an officer under a white flag appear. And that’s when the shelling stopped and negotiations began. And the negotiations reach agreement in short time, and the surrender ceremony takes place on 19 October 1781. And, of course, Cornwallis, you know, who is kind of shrinking from his duties, claims that he is sick, and he sends his second-in-command to act in his place during their surrender ceremonies. Kind of a bad statement about his character there. And some of the weapons and equipment that the British surrender, along with the 8,000 soldiers they surrender, are 214 artillery pieces, thousands of muskets, and 24 transport ships, and numerous horses and wagons. And so that’s really the last big war, and that’s a battle that’s determinative. And that’s basically the last big battle that is fought in the war here in the United States.
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Well, with that, Ben, let’s go to break. And when we come back, we’ll have our final segment. I’m talking with Ben Martin, patriotic historian, former Army Ranger and West Point graduate. We’ll be right back.
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His truth is marching on
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That’s Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter there. And you can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And talking with Ben Martin, we have prerecorded this show. And we’re talking about the end of the Revolutionary War, and we’ve talked this year about the warriors of our Revolutionary War. We’ve got one segment left for today. Where do you want to go with this, Ben Martin?
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Well, Kim, I said that we’ve just talked about the battle or the siege, really, of Yorktown. And that was the last major battle there. And that was a determinative battle. And that really ended most of the major fighting in the colonies here that we call the United States. And so I’d like to go. We talk about all the things that Washington carries on his shoulders. Well, one of the things after they retired from the battlefield, the British had not left New York City. So Washington brings the Army back, and they’re surrounded around West Point so that they’re there and that they can look over and make sure that the British— or not doing anything untoward, and he keeps an eye on them and keeps them bottled up in the city there. And so he goes up there, and he has all of the big guns in the Army are coming back, and, of course, Gates is still a member of the Army, much to Washington’s chagrin. And so they’re there, and the— the patriots, the warriors, the fighters in our Revolutionary War were promised by the Continental Congress that they would receive pensions for their dedicated work to the Revolutionary War and their sacrifices. And now it looks like they’re not going to come through with that, that the Congress is not going to come through with that, because as we’ve talked about before… The Articles of Confederation do not really allow Congress to collect taxes. And so they have no way to get money to pay for these pensions for the veterans.
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Yeah, I just want to interject. So Congress back then made a promise, and then they weren’t going to keep it. Sounds kind of familiar. Yeah.
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Yeah, it does. But in this case, they really did not have any capacity or capability to do that. So the officers and the people that are still, the Army that is still around Washington and the other officers and around the West Point, and they’re there, and they’re still doing their duty. They haven’t gone home. And they think, well, you know, we’re not going to get paid for all the sacrifices that we made. Most of us have lost our businesses, our farms. It’s going to take a lot of work to get things going again. Many of us have lost our wives, our children to the war. And, you know, so they’re really kind of upset. And so then there’s a movement, and we think, we can never really prove this, but Washington really thinks, too, that one of the forces behind this movement movement to start an uprising in the officer corps to actually threaten Congress. He’s one of the big instigators of this. And so they have this… Now, who is it? This is Gates. This is our old friend, Horatio Gates, you know, the hero of Saratoga. Right. And so, you know, anyway, so… So Washington finds this letter being circulated around the camp calling for a meeting, a secret meeting. You know, he’s not been told. He’s the guy in charge of the Army and everything like that. And he hasn’t even been consulted about, hey, is it OK, boss, if we have a meeting of all the officers? So he knows something is really stinky out there. Something smells bad. And so. He starts his own thing to try to do that. So he makes a statement to the officers and he says, hey, you can’t have this meeting on that day. That’s not a good day. And he says, and it’s in the middle of the week. And he said, or in the weekday, and he says, so you can’t have this meeting, but I’m going to be gone on the weekend. So on the 15 March instead of 10 March, you guys can have this meeting, but I’m not going to be here. And so, oh, man, they think this is great, you know. He’s not even going to be here, so we can do whatever we want. And so they say, okay, well, that’s fine. We can have it on the 15th. And so they get together, and, of course, Gates is leading the meeting. And they think, well, Washington and his staff have gone off to look at some other battlefield or whatever or spy upon the British in New York. And so they start this meeting. And all of a sudden, George Washington walks in, you know, to the meeting, of course. Gates is about to swallow his tongue. And he asked him politely, Washington asked Gates politely, do you mind if I address this group? And so he talks, he has this great speech that he basically almost memorizes, short speech, but to talk about everything, all the great things that these soldiers have done, all the sacrifices they have made. And he says, you know, please don’t do this. He says, you’re going to ruin your reputation. Let me, I will carry your battle to the Congress, and I will fight this fight to make sure that you get what you do from our Congress. And so, And he looks around at the audience, you know, and we’ve talked about this before. And he looks at him, and it was a very heartfelt speech. But, you know, he doesn’t see it really sinking in with the troops. And so he has another plan. And so he says, I’m going to read you a letter to prove my point. I’m going to read you a letter from one of our congressmen that they’re really fighting to do this for you. So he pulls out the letter, and he fumbles around a little bit. uh… not quite like our current chief executive you know but he’s he’s kind of got this set up you know where he’s having trouble and then he he turns to the audience and he says uh… please will you please excuse me he says and then he pulls out a pair of reading glasses he says it seems that i have not only grown old in your service but i think i’m going behind and so It just kind of takes the emotion, you know, brings the emotion to the top. And everybody, after he does that, they may see that he is also vulnerable. And they stop this uprising that they’re doing. And true to his word, he goes on and he gets them. their pensions. It’s not the same pension that they had, but at least they think it’s acceptable. It’s not as much as they were going to get before, but they all think that it’s acceptable. And so that’s another thing that he does for the country that we don’t even think about today. Most people don’t even know about that. And you know, the hall that was named, they built, the soldiers built The Army built this place right outside. It’s in Newburgh, and it’s called New Windsor. And it’s still a state park there, and you can go see it. But this hall that they built to meet in is called the Hall of Virtue. So that’s where he addresses these guys. So it’s pretty amazing. And he does that. And then, Kim, I just go back, and we’ve done that. And so then there’s an evacuation day in New York City where— The British are actually leaving, and that happens on the 25th of November. And then Washington and Governor Clinton from New York, you know, American Clinton, not the British general, they ride through the city from the top, from the north part all the way down to New York. to where we go to Francis Tavern, all the way to the bottom. And they have this big parade, and it’s a big celebration. You know, the British have vacated, sort of like what happened in Boston. So they have vacated, and so there’s this great celebration that they have in there, and that’s on the 25th of November. Then Washington comes back on the 4th of December, and he goes down to Francis Tavern again. and on the 4th of December, 1783, and he says farewell to his officers.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, we’re about out of time, but so next month will we do his farewell address, or what do you think?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, next we’re going to talk about the development of the building of the government and George Washington and other folks’ role in that, and then we’re going to try to end our presentations for this year, our presentations for this year, with his heartfelt… advice to the people. This is what I’ve learned, and this is what I think you need to remember if we’re going to keep our republic going.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, that’s our cliffhanger for next month. Ben Martin, thank you so much, and I wish you and yours a very happy and blessed Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER 17 :
And you too, Kim. Thank you. And so does Steve. Thank you very much. I always enjoy being with you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Right back at you. Our quote for the end of the show is Nathaniel Green. He said, we fight, we get beat, we rise and we fight again. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals and like Superman, stand for truth, justice and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you and God bless America. We’ll be right back with our number two.
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indeed and welcome to our number two of the kim munson show thank you so much for joining us you’re each treasured you’re valued you have purpose today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your mind and your body my friends we were made for this moment thank you to the team that’s producer joe producer luke and rachel nicole zach echo charlie all the people here at crawford broadcasting Greatly appreciate each and every one of you. It is Thanksgiving Day, and we actually have prerecorded this show. And I love these holiday weeks because we get to spend more time with these amazing guests. And on the line with me is Scott Powell. He is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, and he is the author of a very important book, Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. And Rediscovering America was an Amazon number one new release in the American history category for eight straight weeks because it reveals God’s hand behind the success of the United States. Lessons that we can apply now since we have fallen away from God. And so today we need to come back to him to save and restore our country. And Rediscovering America will surprise you, delight you and blow your mind. My friends, this is a book we’re coming into Christmas and Hanukkah season. That is a wonderful gift, but it is a book that each and every family should have the hard copy in their home on the Freedom Library. Scott Powell, welcome to the show.
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Thank you, Kim. Great to be with you and your wonderful audience.
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Well, it’s great to have you. And as we were preparing for the show, just talking a little bit about the book. And I think that we as parents and grandparents in many ways have abdicated the education of our children to. Government-run schools in many cases. And we really need to be proactive in our children’s education. And so sitting down over the holidays and reading a chapter, each chapter stands alone, with our children or our grandchildren, can go a long way for people to understand this great American idea, Scott.
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Well, you know, it is an adventure story. The American story… has so many players and so many different periods. And we went through struggles. We overcame. You know, the American story is really the grandest story in human history because America is the first nation in all of human history that was founded on the basis that people had God-given rights unalienable rights, and it was the primary role of government to protect those rights. In all other times, the people were vassals. It was the government that ruled, and the people had to comply with whatever rules the government set up. Well, no, in America, it was that the people rule. And the people aren’t… It’s incredible that there’s so much wisdom… in the common man and oftentimes it’s the elites that have bad judgment so the american system is truly uh… different and many many other countries have been affected by our system that is true and that’s that’s a blessing because we were to be you know a light on a hill uh… you know a beacon to other nations uh… for instance the philippines constitution is almost identical to the to the u.s. constitution now they don’t I mean, we’re kind of catching up with them in terms of moving too much corruption. They’ve always had been plagued with sort of corrupt leaders. And unfortunately, that’s our plight today. And that’s why I think our work is cut out for us to bring our country back to its senses, where we really empower the people and we disempower the elites that want to govern us.
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Well, many times I’ve been giving speeches on this theme that I really believe that we are in the third founding of America. And obviously the first founding was the Revolutionary War, where we declared our independence from Britain. The second was the Civil War, where we answered the question with a resounding no, that men are not property of others, that men cannot own other men, that slavery is not okay. But we’re in, now we’re in this huge ideological battle that’s going on right now. That’s why this book that you have written is so, it’s really important, Scott Powell.
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Well, we are in a spiritual battle. I mean, you really, and I think this is a wonderful opportunity for those of us who are believers to be able to enter into conversations with people more so than ever before. It’s so much easier now because people that have no faith you know, fundamental beliefs in God still want to figure things out, and nothing makes sense to them. So it’s easy to, you know, to enter into a conversation wherein you can begin to introduce this notion that our problems are all related to departing from God’s way, from God’s purpose of creation. You know, God created us man and woman, boy and girl, uh, And he wanted us to be fruitful and multiply. That means that traditional marriages are the only source of propagating our species. But we find that we’re coming out of the blue, almost out of nowhere, is this transgender movement that destroys the lives of young people who enter into deciding that, hey, I might be in the wrong body. I’m going to change my gender. And And the medical establishment that is facilitating this is just, I mean, we’re reminded, again, we’re reminded through the COVID period that the medical establishment has a very big problem with corruption, and it’s money-driven corruption. They make money by giving people the diseases that they then can treat for the rest of their lives. It’s crazy. So I love Thanksgiving because we can leave all of the troubles behind. behind us on this Thanksgiving Day, and we can really reflect on this amazing story that can renew us today and every other day of our life.
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Well, I’m excited about that. So let’s leave that as our cliffhanger on that. I’m talking with Scott Powell, and I want to say thank you. I have amazing sponsors. One of those, or two of those, is Laramie Energy and Karis Oil and Gas, and I want to thank them personally. for their gold sponsorship of the show. And my friends, it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy sources that allows everyday people to thrive and flourish. And so it’s important that we remember that and be grateful for that. And also another sponsor is Hooters Restaurants, and they have five locations. That’s Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. And they have great lunch specials Monday through Friday. I love their fish and chips, but more importantly, how I got to know them. It is an important story about freedom and free markets and capitalism and PBIs, those politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties that want to pick winners and losers. And you can find that story at my website. But we get to do this because I have just amazing sponsors. And one of those is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. And they want you to know that you can feel comfortable and feel well-served here. And to understand your insurance coverage, their office will respond to your call or text 24 hours a day. So for that 24-hour peace of mind, call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, Roger Mangan’s team is there. And it is Thanksgiving week, and we’ve been broadcasting some of our evergreen shows, but wanted to just get some of our great sponsors’ thoughts about Thanksgiving. And so we’ve prerecorded this with Lorne Levy. And Lorne Levy is Everything Mortgages. That would be a reverse mortgage, a new mortgage, a second mortgage. And he can help you in 49 of the 50 states, just not New York. And Lorne Levy, I am grateful. for you and our partnership. You’re a sponsor of both the Kim Munson Show and America’s Veterans Stories. I’m going to be starting my seventh year of solo broadcasting very soon, and you’ve been with me on my solo broadcasting endeavor from close to day one.
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I have. It seems like it was just the other day.
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I know.
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It goes so fast. I don’t know that that’s good.
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My father, who just passed on last year, has said, time waits on no one. And he wasn’t kidding. And I really understand that now. But as we’re reflecting about Thanksgiving and blessings, what’s your thoughts on that?
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Um, you know, it all ties in for me. It’s like when we joke about age and we have Karen and everybody in the studio and we talk about how old everybody is and stuff, but Thanksgiving gets more and more reflective as you get older. I think, you know, you have kids or some, some people have kids of, you know, their kids have kids. I don’t have that yet, but, and they come home from college or they get around, you know, they start coming around and after they’ve done their thing and it becomes way more important to realize what you have and
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um you know in in every part of your life what what what you have to be thankful for versus when i was younger it’s just a couple days off from school and hang out with your buddies you know i somebody sent over a texted over a little clip like instagram or tiktok or something and it was it was a clip of somebody that had immigrated to america from a communist country and um And the clip basically was that they were talking about Thanksgiving, and they’re like, you have a day for Thanksgiving? And so they were in a little apartment in New York, three adults, so it might have been him and his parents. And he said, what do you do for Thanksgiving? And people say, well, you just give thanks. He’s like, that’s it? And he said that they were in this apartment and they’re in America where it’s free. And they just started to reflect and they were holding hands. And he said they got closer and closer and closer because they were so grateful for freedom. I’m paraphrasing this. And he said, and all we could say was thanks. I thought that was amazing.
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Yeah, I have my parents in town right now. They come in around this time each year. And I was talking to my dad last night just about a lot of stuff, not too deep political, but some of the marches that we saw on college campuses and the protests this summer now that this election has gone the way it has. And we were just talking about these people that were protesting, not necessarily understanding what they’re even protesting against or for. And if they tried to do – some of the people they’re supporting would – Not even like them as people. Were they to go to that country? Yeah. And they’re exercising their rights here and their freedoms to march and to state their opinion. And that very same opinion might get them killed. In a different country. Right.
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And they don’t even understand.
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No.
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And that’s why what we’re doing on the show I think is so important to engage in this battle of ideas. We do it on a regular basis because of sponsors like you, Lorne Levy. But my father served in the Air Force for four years. And he said to me, he said, I served so that, he said, I might not agree with what this person says over here, but I want to make sure that they have the right to say it. And that really has stuck with me my whole life. Wow.
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Yeah. I mean, I brought up as bad as it was because I remember it was a long time ago and I was younger, but I brought up the Tiananmen Square thing in China. And when those people tried to get together and march and exercise what they thought was their right to free speech, the government disagreed.
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Yeah, they ran them over with a tank.
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Yeah. And most of them aren’t here anymore. And so it’s great to be thankful for all the stuff we have here.
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Lorne Levy, I wish you and your family a very blessed Thanksgiving. Thank you. Same to you.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. I did want to mention Dr. James Lyons-Weiler’s great book, educational programs that are being offered at IPAK-EDU.org. That’s IPAK-EDU.org. And he is matching up amazing instructors with all of us that are intellectually curious with a wide variety of courses. And they’re preparing for the The next offering, and you can get more information by going to ipac-edu.org. That’s ipac-edu.org. And if you put in Munson, you will get an additional discount on the very reasonable tuition prices on that. So be sure and check that out. We have prerecorded these shows for the week of Thanksgiving, and I love doing that because I get to have these really special guests, and we get to focus on them even more. And I just love doing that. And on the line with me is Scott Powell. And he is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute. He is the author of the book Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. And it was on the Amazon number one new release list in American history for eight straight weeks. And it reveals God’s hand behind the success of the United States. Lessons that we can learn from and we need to learn from them and then we need to save and restore our country. So again, Rediscovering America will surprise you, delight you, and blow your mind. So Scott Powell, let’s talk about Thanksgiving.
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Well, you know, I like to put Thanksgiving in the context, really, of the story of the pilgrims. Thanksgiving holiday, of course, is what we celebrate when we gather around the table and give thanks to God for the food. But really, the The first Thanksgiving was quite a big thanks because of what the pilgrims had gone through to get to that first harvest and that first Thanksgiving. And it remains a favorite holiday, I think, for many Americans, and I think for good reasons beyond enjoying the feast. And I think right now, with our country passing through troubled times, it’s worth revisiting the pilgrims’ five significant achievements today. which created the seminal story of America and reveal, I think, remarkable insight into who we are and the qualities of character we need to overcome our present challenges. So first, it’s important that people understand that of the many groups of settlers who came to America, only the pilgrims were singularly motivated by a spiritual quest for religious freedom. one that had its origin with the Protestant Reformation a century before, and they repeatedly spoke about their voyage to the New World in terms of a flight from tyranny to freedom, comparing themselves to God’s chosen people, the Israelites who overcame slavery and abuse in Egypt to get to the Promised Land. And similar to the Israelites’ exodus, the pilgrims, had left what they saw as an oppressive and morally corrupt authorities in Great Britain and Europe, and they came, you know, they had to have a lot of courage to cross that big ocean to create a new life in America, in the new world. Thus, both Christians and Jews find profound meaning in the Pilgrim’s Thanksgiving story, because it really has that Hebraic orientation, you know, leaving the slavery of Egypt for the Promised Land. That is how the pilgrims saw themselves. So Thanksgiving can be thought of as a holiday that made the other American holidays possible. You know, without the pilgrims having the courage and the absolute faith in their cause and calling, and a willingness to sacrifice and risk everything. Think about that. They were the first to risk everything before the founders risked. At the time of the Revolutionary War, the pilgrims risked everything. And they embarked on this 94-foot Mayflower boat. That’s a very small boat for over 100 people to get on. And it was a ship, really, of questionable seaworthiness. and were it not for their faith and determination to find freedom of conscience and live according to their biblical beliefs, you know, there may not have ever been the subsequent holidays, the Fourth of July, Independence Day, or subsequent American holidays. So it was after this harrowing passage across the Atlantic, one that included storms, you know, wild pitching and broadside batterings by gale force winds and ferocious seas. And one of these, you know, probably two-thirds of the way over, you know, it was so bad that broadside battering that it split the ship’s main beam. And that would mean that the ship would collapse if they didn’t, you know, if they continued to be in other storms because it fundamentally weakened the structure. But lo and behold, on that Mayflower, there were a variety of people, including one that had the foresight, if they’re going to build homes in the New World, they needed a jack to raise up structures and beams. So they got that jack and put it under the broken beam and got the crew to— circle around and screw it and got it back in place. And they lived with that jack in place for the rest of the voyage. It’s a small little story there. But, you know, but were it not for their faith and determination, you know, I don’t know that they would have made it. So anyway, the Mayflower had a charter to go to the Virginia – colony territory. And, you know, they actually did get a charter from the British government to go to the New World and to go to a certain area. And the area that they were going to go to was in the north part of the so-called Virginia, what they called the Virginia Territory. You know, the earlier settlers, the 1607 voyage to Jamestown, which was really the first settlement, was part of Virginia territory also. Now, that settlement, and we don’t have time to go into that, but it was a colony of all men. So it had no vision for procreation and survival. It was really to go… and find the riches and maybe return. But in any case, the pilgrims intended to settle, and so they had numerous families. But they were blown off course, and so they couldn’t, they were headed north of the territory that they had been assigned, and they tried to go against the currents and the seas off Cape Cod, but It just didn’t work out, and they were running out of food, and the food was spoiling, so they decided they were going to go, they were going to find a place to settle. And, of course, they had no idea what they were going to encounter. You could say that they knew not where they were nor how to proceed. So what did they do? They besieged the Almighty for favor. in making landfall in a suitable place with fresh water and fertile soil to establish their settlement.
SPEAKER 10 :
So they prayed. And on that note, we’ll go to break here in just a moment. But I think, I mean, even right there, and I’m thinking the Almighty on the storms and pushing them where they are. I mean, he’s had his hand on this country since the very beginning, Scott Powell. And that’s what we’re talking about in Thanksgiving. And I am very grateful because I have a lot of great sponsors. I know each and every one of them personally.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. And Thanksgiving Day, I wish you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving. And we’ve pre-recorded these shows, very special shows for you. We’re talking with Scott Powell. He’s the author of Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. This book should be on your shelves, your family’s shelves. And we, as parents and grandparents… I should be opening this up and reading it with our children and our grandchildren. Before we get back into the conversation, I’m very grateful for Janssen Photography. They are wonderful sponsors of the show. And Glenn and Mary Janssen have a beautiful property in Lakewood, Colorado. So all kinds of beautiful landscapes for that special photo, that special portrait of your memories. It could be your family or your children, your senior in high school. And, of course, they can do these great photos for your business. and political career as well. So that website is Jansen Photography. That’s J-A-N-S-S-E-N photography.com. Scott Powell, as we were going into break, we were talking about the pilgrims and that they were solely here for religious freedom. During the break, you were giving me a little bit of the breakdown of who all was on that ship of 102 people. And I find that super interesting. So what did that look like?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, it was, you had the pilgrims. What we think of the pilgrims were the separatists. That is to say the people that had found that the Church of England was, you know, had carried on some traditions left over from the Catholic tradition, and it was political, and they began worshiping separately. from the Church of England, and then they got persecuted and were driven to Holland, where the Pilgrims lived in Holland for about 11 years before making the voyage to the New World. So when they finally were sponsored with a ship, and they actually had two ships to start with, but the smaller ship, the Speedwell, leaked very badly, and And they had to be abandoned. And it also shrunk the number of pilgrims who could go to the New World because there just wasn’t space. Think of 102 passengers on a 94-foot ship. I mean, it was very crowded. But there were the pilgrims, which were about three-fifths of the 102 passengers, and the balance were crew, military protectors, Miles Standish, and… And the John Alden family, John Alden was a cooper. He made barrels, and that was very important in preserving food. So they needed to have a cooper. And I think there were several others. So the first accomplishment or achievement, I’d say, that’s important in understanding the pilgrim story, the Thanksgiving story, is that the pilgrims were the only group that came to the New World with a singular quest, a single-minded quest of a spiritual quest to live their life in freedom according to the biblical principles as they understood them. And so that’s the first thing. And what’s next comes up in resuming the story where we left off, where the pilgrims had been blown off course, their food is running out, and it’s spoiling the And they’re beginning to have a mutiny on the ship, not from the Christian separatists, but really some of the other people. They didn’t have the faith, and they didn’t have the sort of internal commitment to the quest that the pilgrims had, and they were threatening to mutiny and turn back. Although, I mean, they couldn’t have turned back. They didn’t have enough food to turn back. So in that environment, the elders of the pilgrims decided we need to save our community and we need to draft up an agreement that everyone can sign on to because we’re going to land we don’t know what we’re going to encounter. We may encounter hostile native people, native Indians. We just don’t know. So they decided off Cape Cod to draft up the Mayflower Compact. And to get a commitment of everyone on board, all the men, because that’s how it was back then, all the men had to sign off on the Mayflower Compact. And the Mayflower Compact basically stated that governance would be done by a democratic vote, that everybody’s wishes would be taken into account on any decisions, and that they would look out for each other, they would protect each other. So it was very short, but it was sort of the seminal document that ultimately was the foundation for self-government. So it was John Carver and William Bradford and William Brewster who drafted up this Mayflower Compact. And it was signed by everyone. And with every man aboard signing the compact, the Pilgrims established the foundation for democratic self-government based on the will of the people for the very first time. So you could say that the Mayflower Compact really laid the cornerstone of the U.S. Constitution, which would be drafted and adopted some 170 years later.
SPEAKER 10 :
It’s absolutely remarkable.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah. Yeah, I know. And it was simple. I mean, you know, here they are at sea, cruise mutinying. You know, they drafted this up fairly quickly. It wasn’t very long. They had these key tenets in it of self-government and looking out for each other. And so it was. But it’s really quite amazing. Now, there’s an interesting story about the Pilgrims. The Mayflower was not a brand-new boat. It was actually an older boat. And it had been previously enlisted as a wine transport cargo ship between the wine country of France and Spain and England. And unlike most merchant ships, the Mayflower had what they call a sweet smell to it from all the decks of the ship and its bilges being disinfected with wine. you know, wine sloshing and soaking from the broken barrels of, who knows, Bordeaux and high-alcohol port in the many prior crossings of the sometimes stormy English Channel. So that disinfected environment meant that, you know, that there was, while people got seasick and had problems, there were no deaths among the pilgrims. No one No one, you know, disinfected environment may have had an effect. But all that changed once the Mayflower’s passengers settled in the New World, in a place they called New Plymouth, Massachusetts. And that was in December of 1620. I mean, it’s winter then when they finally made landfall there. And the first winter was devastating with illness afflicting most, you know, most and over half the pilgrims there. ended up dying, including four entire families.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, my gosh.
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Can you believe it? I mean, here they are, 60-odd people, and they lose over half their people with children, whole families. But the fate of the pilgrims, you know, surely could have been more difficult had they not settled where they did, because God arranged for them to settle in a place that was adjacent to friendly natives of the polka dock and indian village that were part of the wampanoag tribe and uh… standing up for a prevented to providentially who could speak broken english those were squanto and samaset we don’t have time to go into their stories but it just turned out that squanto and samaset were there you know in those indian tribes and they could speak english reasonably well because they’d spent they’d been kidnapped one of them had been kidnapped and taken to to Spain and then was freed and got to England and learned English and found passage back on a trading ship or a fishing vessel. He came back to New England. And so had Squanto and Simmons not been there to communicate and teach the pilgrims survival skills, showing them how to hunt, fish, plant various crops, Crops they’d never seen before, like corn and squash and varieties of beans. And these were all unknown to Englishmen. They were unknown to Europeans. England and Europe had never seen a corn.
SPEAKER 10 :
I did not know that.
SPEAKER 16 :
No, they’d never seen a corn cob before. Wow. So the third, let’s see if we can make a little more progress. The third major achievement that the pilgrims made was a lasting peace treaty. And this was the Pilgrim Wampanoag Peace Treaty, which was signed within five months of their arrival on April 1, 1621. And it was signed by Massasoit and the leaders of the Plymouth Colony. And it was a remarkable accomplishment, for it lasted more than 50 years, longer than any subsequent peace treaties made by other colonizing groups with Native Indian tribes. This was the longest-lasting peace treaty with Indians ever. that any of the white men, the settlers, had, which was really quite something. And the fact that there were bloody conflicts between other colonists and tribes, such as the Pequot Wars fought in Connecticut in 1636, makes the Pilgrims really stand out, for they succeeded in maintaining this long-lasting peace between the natives. Now, in spite of learning from the native Indians how to plant and cultivate and harvest new crops in the first year, the Pilgrims complied with their sponsoring Virginia company charter that called for the settlement farmland to be owned and worked communally and for harvest to be equally shared. And so this was what? Of course, a socialist common property approach. And that created disincentives to work. So William Bradford, the head of the Pilgrims, recorded in his memoirs that while, quote, slackers showed up late for work, everybody was happy to claim their equal share of the production. And production only shrank as a result. Now, no one is exactly certain of the date of the first Thanksgiving, but it came after the first harvest, and that was a meager harvest, partially because the communal farming wasn’t very productive.
SPEAKER 10 :
And they changed that, right, because they were going to starve if they kept that up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yes, and I’ll tell you that story. They actually kept it up for two seasons, and then they abandoned it. So in their first Thanksgiving, they were giving thanks for their first harvest, meager though it was. And when Massachusetts was invited to join the pilgrims, it was assumed that he wouldn’t bring probably more guests than the 40-odd pilgrims that had survived. It turns out Massasoit showed up with twice the number of pilgrims. And they showed up well-stocked with food, with fowl. and game of all kinds, including five deer that they had killed for the feast.
SPEAKER 06 :
Wow.
SPEAKER 16 :
Which was more than enough for everyone. And it turns out that the first Thanksgiving celebration would last three days, punctuated by Indian song and games and dance and pilgrim prayers and even a military parade by Miles Standish. Can you picture this? It’s really incredible, isn’t it?
SPEAKER 10 :
It is. It truly is incredible.
SPEAKER 16 :
It really is. It’s incredible. What an incredible story. So that’s the third accomplishment, was the peace treaty with the Indians. Okay, great.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, let’s keep that at that, and then we’re going to go to the next segment here.
SPEAKER 16 :
We’ll go to the fourth, and then we’ll go to the fifth. So we’ll cover the time pretty well.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. I wish each and every one of you a very happy Thanksgiving. And we have prerecorded the shows this week to have very special shows for you. And before we get back into the conversation, I did want to mention the Center for American Values. They are nonpolitical, but they’re focused on a couple of things, keeping the stories alive, the portraits of our Medal of Honor recipients and their quotes and just keeping that alive. And also, though, focusing and instilling in us these American values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. So they have some great educational programs. You can get more information about that by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That is AmericanValueCenter.org. On the line with me is Scott Powell. He is the author of a great book, and that is Rediscovering America, How the National Holidays Tell an Amazing Story About Who We Are. Scott, we’re talking about the pilgrims. You said there were five significant achievements. And what’s number four?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, number four comes out, we pick up right where we left off after the meager Thanksgiving harvest. and but it was it was made up for more than that for by the indians who attended you know we’re twice the size of the pilgrims and brought all this food that uh… enabled the the feast to go on for three three days uh… but they didn’t abandon uh… collective farming even though the first harvest was meager uh… but it was decided to you know that that was what they were going to do a second season improved equally disappointing and it was governor bradford who ultimately, and we know a lot about this, it’s factual, because Governor Bradford, William Bradford, kept an amazing diary. And I believe that it’s been, you know, I can’t remember how they titled that diary, but it is in book form and you can find it. So a little bit of internet research, you can find out what the title is and probably obtain a copy. It is quite fascinating. And it’s interesting for people you know, for, I think it’s another interesting point for Jewish people, because we talked about the Hebraic orientation of the pilgrims, but William Bradford wrote the first 20 pages of his diary in Hebrew. I mean, he was, you know, he’s an Englishman, speaks English, writes English, but he chose to write the first 20 pages in of his diary in Hebrew. Why is that? Well, I can’t answer that except that perhaps it was a recognition of the future, God’s hand in our history from the beginning, that we’re not just a Christian nation, but we also stand on the shoulders of the Jewish tradition. Of course, the Jewish tradition is where our laws come from. You know, the Jewish tradition was really based on law, whereas the Christian tradition built on that but the emphasis was on love and grace and relational relationships. When Jesus was asked of which of the laws was the greatest, by a Pharisee, Jesus answered it very succinctly, saying that if you love God with all your heart and you love your neighbor as yourself, you will have fulfilled all the laws. So love is the message. But it is interesting… that the Hebrew traditions were embedded in the pilgrims. So it wasn’t—even though they’re Christians, and they’re true Christians, because they wanted to live according to the Bible as they understood it. You know, they—you could say they’re almost literalists, probably. But they were certainly— They certainly, by their actions, were, you know, they were not rigid people. These were loving, these were very loving people. So anyway, so the second season was equally disappointing. And Governor Bradford, and I’m reading from his, you know, his diary, he recorded the socialist collectivist farming system was, quote, found to breed much confusion and discontent AND RETIRED MUCH EMPLOYMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO THEIR BENEFIT AND COMFORT. SO BEFORE THE 1623 SEASON, HE SCRAPPED THE SOCIALIST FARMING AND HE REPLACED IT WITH PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF LAND FOR EACH OF THE FAMILIES AND AS A RESULT OF BECOMING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN WELFARE AND GAINING FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHAT TO GROW FOR THEIR OWN CONSUMPTION, WHAT THEY LIKED, OR TRADE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD TRADE WITH NEIGHBORS. the pilgrims’ productivity ended up surging. They had no trouble, as they had in the first two years, you know, because they were free to grow what they wanted. And they had to take responsibility for their own families, and they wanted to, you know, maybe trade it and gain some relative wealth. Of course, this was before there was even probably coin and money, except what they brought from England. So the scrapping of the socialist system is what I call the fourth major achievement of the Pilgrim. So even before our country was born, we know that we were blessed in freedom, and God’s plan was for America to have a free market system, period. Free market, not free. You know, people say capitalist, but I like the free market jargon because it really is based on freedom of choice and the opportunity to pursue freely what you thought was what you wanted to do, what you wanted to produce. And that brings in creativity. I mean, obviously… You know, we’re made in the image and likeness of God. God is the creator. He intended us to be creators. Well, how do we show our creativity? Well, of course, if you’re an artist, you show your creativity through your work. And if you want to make a living at your art, you’ve got to be able to sell it. So you’ve got to create things that people want. But in business, it’s the same principle. We’re creators. We have to create products that solve people’s problems and that people want. And when we do that, we’re living out this God-given creative orientation that he intended us to have. So we’ve covered now the fourth achievement, which was the rejection of socialism. Now we’ll talk about the fifth. Do we have time to do that?
SPEAKER 10 :
We do. We’ve got about three and a half minutes.
SPEAKER 16 :
Okay. So the fifth factor, and I sort of came up with these in reading the pilgrim story, that distinguished the pilgrims was… really their model relational behavior. And they were extraordinarily tolerant. I mean, they were tolerant to have a mixed community on the ship. You know, when you’re in close quarters, you can really, you know, tempers can fly. But for the most part, they got along with people that were not part of their group and kept relative harmony within that diverse community. but they also looked outwardly to serve and help others. And here’s a story that illustrates that. It was in March of 1623. It came to be known that Massachusetts, who was the chief Saccum, he was the tribal leader of the Wampanoag, and there were subsidiaries of the Wampanoags. The Wampanoags were the big tribe, and then there were smaller tribes like the Poconoaguts. But in March of 1623… Massasoit was on the brink of death, and the pilgrims heard about this. He lived about, I think, some 20 miles away from where the pilgrims were. And it was senior pilgrim elder Edward Winslow who had a… He was an elder in the community, so he preached, and he was a leader… you know, a prayer leader, and he also was very good with natural herbs. He had an orientation of finding natural cures for illness. And so, being the right guy to go to Massachusetts, he immediately set out, and I have to correct myself, it was a 40-mile journey to administer medieval broth and natural herbs, and of course to pray for over Massasoit. And so he got there. It took him several days to get there. But once Winslow got there, he proceeded to take care of Massasoit and administer his natural medicines and prayer. And astonishingly, Massasoit recovered. He recovered almost a full recovery within days. And again, we know about this story because it was recorded. And he said, and I’m now quoting Massasoit, and of course it’s recorded, so it’s not taped. So the words might have been slightly different. But what he said was, now I see the English are my friends and love me. And whilst I live, I will never forget this kindness that they have showed me. So this was, this is the fifth great accomplishment, which is really part of this great commission that Christ calls us to do, and that is to, you know, love others as yourself and to serve them. And, you know, you think about all of the problems that seem to be plaguing us in America today and elsewhere, too. And one thing that I see going on with a lot of people that seem to have all kinds of problems is that they’re very self-absorbed people. Right, right. And if they would learn to serve other people, if they would learn to take an interest and care for other people, and that doesn’t mean they drop what they’re doing entirely, but that they just get oriented differently. towards doing nice things for other people on a daily basis, even if it’s greeting your cashier with kindness. it changes a disposition.
SPEAKER 10 :
It does, Scott Powell. It goes a long way. And we’re out of time with Scott Powell, but what a great, great way to get us into Thanksgiving Day here. So, Scott Powell, thank you so much. I greatly appreciate it, and I wish you and yours a very happy Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER 16 :
Thank you, Kim, and same to you, and same to everyone in your audience who are wonderful people. And You know, help Kim every way you can, because the more you help her, the more her ministry grows. So we’re called to help each other.
SPEAKER 10 :
Great. And again, Scott Powell, thank you so much. And again, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
SPEAKER 16 :
Great. Thanks, Kim. Bye now.
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Like a new moon rising fierce Through the rain and lightning Wandering out into this great unknown And I don’t want no one to cry But tell them if I don’t survive I was born
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