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Indeed, let’s have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. It is Monday, and we’re off to the races, Producer Joe. Yes, ma’am. Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Hey, check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. And while you’re there, make sure that you’ve signed up for our weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays, which highlights all of the upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. Really a good one from Alan Thomas, Life on the Fringe, regarding… politics here and what’s going on here in Colorado. So be sure and check that out. My email is kim at kimmunson.com. I am a little behind on emails. Working on that, though, that’s going to change. Text line is 720-605-0647. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice on an independent station searching for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. something’s a good idea you should not have to force people to do it and it’s not compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff whether or not it’s their rights their property freedom livelihood opportunity childhoods or their lives via force force can be a weapon But we see it as policy, unpredictable and excessive taxation, fear, coercion, government-induced inflation, the agenda by the World Economic Forum, the globalist elites, the United Nations, this Colorado state legislature. Oh, my gosh. And this governor. here in Colorado, then land use codes, zoning regulations, force fees, conservation easements, national monument designations, transmission lines, CO2 pipeline easements, and the list goes on and on. And so remember, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to use force to implement it. The show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday, and the first hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon, second hour 10 to 11 at night, That’s on all KLZ 560 platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, the KLZ app. And you can say, Alexa, play KLZ, and it comes in loud and clear. I wanted to say thank you to the Harris family for their longtime support of the show with their goal sponsorship. I do greatly appreciate them. And the word of the day… now I had practiced on spelling it, it’s discordant. And it could be being at variance or disagreeing or quarrelsome. It’s spelled D-I-S-C-O-R-D-A-N-T. One more time, D-I-S-C-O-R-D-A-N-T. And I would say that there’s a very discordant tone there. down at the statehouse. And what we’re seeing is these extremists that have taken over the Democrat Party are shutting down all kinds of debate and voices. And we’re supposed to have a representative government, but that doesn’t seem to be happening here in Colorado right now. Our quote of the day is from James Wilson. And this is Lectures on Law in 1791. And he was born in 1742. He died in 1798. And he was a British-born American founding father, legal scholar, jurist, and statesman. He served as an associate justice of the United States Supreme Court from 1789 to 1798. He was elected twice to the Continental Congress, was a signatory of the Declaration of Independence. and was a major participant in drafting the US Constitution, becoming one of only six people to sign both documents. He was a leading legal theorist, and he was one of the first four associate justices appointed to the Supreme Court by George Washington. and he said this in planning forming and arranging laws deliberation is always becoming and always useful and we are not seeing any deliberation really down here at this colorado state house the um this session will conclude on wednesday the sixth of um i’ve got to make sure that’s the wednesday of may and we’re going to really be keeping an eye on what is happening down there because there is there could be a lot that’s going on these last this last week and a half on wednesday that very onerous house bill 25 13 12 which is the radical transgender bill that That basically says if a family does not affirm a child’s gender confusion, which will have been sown at school quite often, that the child could be possibly taken away. And so I talked to Erin Lee just briefly yesterday yesterday. And she has been really working diligently to shed light on what is happening there. And as you know, she’s very involved with Protect Kids Colorado. And her child, 12 years old, went to what she thought was after school art club. Well, it was actually a transgender indoctrination session. And you can get that whole story by going to artclubmovie.com. That’s artclubmovie.com. But you’ll want to make your voices heard. And you can go over to the Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, CPAN. and they have a petition that you can sign regarding 1312. You can also go to the Colorado Union of Taxpayers website, which is coloradotaxpayer.org, and we have that as a bill that you can just very quickly make your voices heard by just sending an email, and we’ve got it all set up for you. that has the cup position on it you can add on to that then that will go to the bill sponsors and your legislator and your senator if you so decide and that can be done again it’s very quick to make that happen so check that out and I do want to say thank you to this my fellow cup board members because they have done amazing work This legislative session, we’re all volunteers and have been watching legislation since 1976. And it’s difficult to make a difference down there right now because the extremists that have taken over the Democrat Party are totally in charge. However, we have to know what’s going on first and foremost, and that is the first tool to have in your toolbox is to be a member of the Colorado Union of Taxpayers. It’s only $25. And this board is Steve Dorman, Greg Golianski, Russ Haas, Bill Hamill, Rob Knuth, John Nelson, Wendy Warner, Marty Nielsen, Rami Johnson, Mary Jansen, Dave Evans, Corey Onozorg, Paula Beard, and Ray Beard. When you see them out there, say thank you. to them for all the great work that they are doing on that. So next thing, now I can’t even remember if I mentioned this on Friday. It was on my list. And it was interesting that up in Boulder, there was going to be a sex camp for kids, if you will. And sex education, I guess it was a sex education camp. And great news is that the camp apparently has been canceled. Right. And this is, again, this is a way to be grooming our kids by, I can’t even believe that they were going to be sending a camp, having a camp like this. But this was Colorado Peak Politics said that Boulder Abortion Clinic hosts a sexy time summer camp for children. And then they updated that to say that it’s actually been canceled. But it was saying it started out this way. It said, your tax dollars are funding a sex education camp at the CU Boulder Campus for children ages 10 to 14 this summer to play with stuff. I’m just going to say that. While talking about their bodies and sexy feelings with total strangers. And then it… You know what? I can’t even read the rest of the stuff that this says that’s going to be happening there. But… Anyway, I can’t just say that they were going, ages 10 to 14, well, that’s been canceled, and our tax dollars were going to be used to do that, which is absolutely unbelievable. Next thing I wanted to mention is all of you regarding Holly Kaysen, and she’s going to be on Friday to give us an update regarding their appeal to stop NGO, non-governmental organization, lawfare. And they needed to raise $60,000 for this appeal. And between what she’s done, what Ash Epp has done, and Sean Smith, and what all you, the listeners, have done, that money has been raised. And I want to thank all of you. This is going to be a big deal. I think it could make it all the way to the Supreme Court. And it could really start to take a chink out of the armor, if you will, of these NGOs. And then another thing that was very interesting here is this is from CBS News, I think. Yeah. Colorado Senate, they override a veto by Jared Polis, and they said that leads to a schism at the state capitol. It says for the first time in 14 years, Colorado state legislature could override a governor’s veto. And it’s Senate Bill 85, which imposes a host of new regulations on social media companies. He’s saying the bill is unworkable, erodes privacy, and could violate civil rights. The Senate voted 29-6 to override his veto and repass the bill. State Senator Lindsay Doherty, one of the bill’s sponsors, accused the governor of caving to big tech. And she says, if we fail to act, we let this veto stand. We are choosing to protect the business interests of billion-dollar tech companies over the safety of Colorado kids. I find it interesting that dotary would actually hide behind taking care of Colorado kids when these radical activist Democrats are all over all these things regarding mutilation, either pharmaceutically or surgically, surgical mutilation of our children. So stay tuned. We’ve got a big show planned for you. And I would really recommend that you sit down with the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team and go over your insurance coverage. I was thinking about it. I think I’m up for renewal probably within the next month or so, and I need to sit down, just go through everything with them so that I have everything that I need and want. And to make that complimentary appointment, give them a call at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we’re winding down on this legislative session, and there is a lot of very onerous, overreaching pieces of legislation that have been proposed, passed, some of them signed by the governor down at the statehouse. Mike Rolick is really keeping an eye on that. on many of these things, particularly regarding our privacy. But I wanted to get an update on what he’s watching for this next week or so, as the legislature will be winding down in this session. Mike Rolick, welcome to the show.
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Hey, good morning, Kim. How are you?
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I am well. So what do we need to know today?
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Well, you know, you and I have been talking a lot about the SB 25011, which is the AI use in wildfire detection from companies such as TAN-OAI, but I know there’s others as well out there, but they’re one of the preeminent ones in the business. We talked last time, it was going into the Appropriations Committee. It did pass with one small amendment, which I consider to be rather ineffectual in theory. If there is a donation made one time, it would not obligate the state to continue funding that donation. I think it misses the mark in the sense that If you or I put in enough money, say $50,000 or so, to install a camera, well, then the subscription costs could cover ongoing maintenance and what have you for that camera. So I think the big cost would be the install. So I kind of fail to see what this amendment actually achieved. Unfortunately, it went to the full Senate and it passed 26 to 9. Folks, this is a rather bipartisan win for the sponsors and a loss, I consider, for freedom. Just want to bring up some of the notable no’s. Senator Carson and Frizzell, Kirkmeyer, Lundeen, Marchman, who’s a Democrat. I’d love to see what the thought was there. But like I mentioned way back, I saw Democrats also very concerned about the privacy aspect of this. So I think You know, we should be able to, you know, reach out to these folks as well and kind of see where they’re going with things. Also, both Senators Pelton, Byron, and I forget his, the other. Rod. Thank you. I was going to say Ron. James Rich and Tom Sullivan, which is unique. Yeah, a Democrat. Again, you know, voted no. And I don’t know if it’s because it’s not strong enough or he disagrees with the privacy aspects of this. I just don’t know. But unfortunately, both Baisley and Cleve Simpson voted yes, which is kind of a letdown.
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Oh, that’s really interesting. Huh. Okay. One of the other things about the Senate Bill 011, and this is one of the things that we watch from Colorado Union of Taxpayers, is these – and I first saw this when I was reviewing some of the initiatives that were on a ballot, where I saw that they could actually have basically private – and I have that in – But interested parties could actually put money in behind these things that are put into law through gifts, grants, and donations. So we put something into law, and then what happens is you could have interested parties put money in behind that. And the Senate Bill 11 has that language in there, which I think that that is also of great concern, Mike Rollick.
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Oh, absolutely. And we’ve talked about that potential. And the amendment that said if it’s a one-time gift grant or donation does not force the state to continue funding the situation is kind of, like I said earlier, a little disingenuous in the fact that the major cost is the installation after that, just general upkeep and maintenance. When you have a camera on a pole – The heavy lift is already done. So I fail to see what that amendment actually achieved. But there we go, folks. I think it’s going to go to a House vote. I would recommend everybody reach out to their House representatives.
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Okay.
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That’s how you feel. Okay. And I also, you know, when you mentioned that the legislative season is winding down, I think, though, It is kind of also winding up in the sense that last week we did mention the May 6th election of the fire protection boards. And so this is a technology that will be used by your local fire protection boards in theory if it comes to pass, right? And so I think getting involved in some of these more local races and staying involved year-round on the people who are making the decisions to opt into this technology is a good idea.
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You know what? Now that you mention it, I don’t recall getting any ballot for any, like, South Metro fire protection. So I’m going to have to check and see if that was something that needed to be requested or if there’s an election. We all need to be watching that because they have a lot of money and, boy, they’ll have a lot of power. That’s really important. Now, you feel, so this will be going over to the House. So I’m wondering if we can get this on CutEngaged, which I would really recommend people go to coloradotaxpayer.org, go to CutEngaged, and you can weigh in on these bills. So let me, I’ll check on that, Mike Rawlick. So what’s the next thing people should be aware of?
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I testified a while back on Senate Bill 25-143. There was going to be a full lifting of the ban of facial recognition in schools, including kindergarten, K-12, I believe. Well, there was a partial lift proposed instead, and that became law on the 18th. But it is quite a lift indeed, because now facial recognition services will be allowed to be used in actual educational purposes. So the first component, it says, allows for facial recognition services in education, so including products, devices, or software that allow for the analysis of facial features for education purposes in conjunction with curricula, again, thinking locally, approved by the local school board. These types of things have been used in other countries, and they actually try to analyze the face of the student to see if they’re paying attention, to see if there might be a learning disability, what have you. And I was looking at this really interesting article by Lutzker and Lutzker that talked about how China uses intelligent behavior management systems that collect, store, and respond to student facial recognition. And they mentioned a U.S.-based professor who’s developing a system similar to monitor distracted students. So that’s a real big concern. And your local school board would be the ones who would vote to say, yes, we want the service or no, we don’t. So while the legislative season might be ending, I think the last stop would be what the school boards are up to. I can’t imagine a world where we’re staring at a screen, the screen staring back at us, and the moment you know, I look out the window, I get a point knocked off, so to speak.
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Wow, and you know what, Mike Rawlick, this is another one of those bills that interested parties can put their money into it, which is a real problem because it has the gifts, grants, and donations clause in it.
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Yeah, you know what’s interesting is, again, these uncommon partnerships of thought. When I was testifying, the ACLU was there as well, testifying wholeheartedly against this bill. They thought it was just about the worst thing ever. So they wanted the freedom for the students to be free of it. Now, the good news is there is an opt-in. for this situation. So a student and the parent or guardian would have to actually opt in for this to be used. But however, you know, think about this. If there’s some really cool, shiny objects, so to speak, you know, some great new software that’s being talked about and all teachers get excited and then the students get excited. There’s a peer pressure aspect to this kind of thing, right? So now maybe the parent says, well, I don’t think this might be right for you. And the student could be like, well, all my friends are doing it and they’re having so much fun. And, you know, because remember, gosh, you know, the effect of like the little dings and whistles that people get have been found to give like little dopamine drops, right? So if this kind of thing is associated as a positive reward for something like a facial recognition or a monitoring system, I worry that there’d be some peer pressure to say, come on, mom, can I just do this Your phone does it anyway. What’s the big deal? And that’s the kind of cop-out I think we always hear when we talk about facial recognition. It’s like, well, they already have you anyway. You know, your phone does it anyway. And I think that that’s going to be a real easy opt-in for folks to just kind of cave into, especially if there isn’t a decent alternative. They’re supposed to leave an alternative for students, but they’re really, you know, through peer pressure, who knows what’s going to happen there.
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Oh, that’s terrible. Hey, Mike, who do you think’s behind writing this legislation? Because I’m learning, particularly how many bills, I need to take a quick look, that many times, many, many times, these legislators are not writing these bills. There’s somebody that comes and shops this legislation to them to try to get money. Senator or a representative to carry the bill and so it’s really kind of interested parties that I think that are pushing this do you happen to know who’s behind this facial recognition bill no I do not however during the testimony because this is for sure there were people from the educational facial recognition industry
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They’re saying we can’t stop progress, you know, by making these things illegal in paraphrase. But I remember there’s a few folks from from the industry there. testifying for it because this is progress. This is the way the world’s moving forward. So it was kind of frightening to think that just because something can get done doesn’t mean it should get done. And I think that’s a tenet we should always remember, right? Just because, say, gain of function can happen doesn’t mean that it should. I don’t know. I don’t think so personally. But those are the lines that I think ethically we should make sure that no matter if the technology is available, should that line be crossed.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And we’re talking about first graders here, you know, having their facial features recognized.
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Okay. Okay, we’re just about out of time. One more thing that people need to be aware of or something on their radar?
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Yeah, so along with that facial recognition bill, there is some provision for also school security. where a school official or a LEO, law enforcement officer, can actually switch on this, either when there is a credible threat made or if a student skips class, which is kind of a little big brother for me. And then the House Bill 25-1169 and 1214, that was the quote-unquote yes in God’s backyard, where they wanted to build on land owned by churches. That’s up for floor work today. And the appropriate use of prison beds, you know, where they’re trying to basically accelerate folks out of jail for class five and class six felonies. That is also for house floor work. So, um, yeah, I guess the big takeaway here is people just have to stay engaged in the local things like school boards like the fire races and just all year during during the interim committees.
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Oh, my, you’re doing such great work, and I appreciate this. There’s 724 bills or resolutions that have been proposed this legislative session. And it’s almost, it seems just almost overwhelming to watch all this. But it is so important, and I really appreciate you keeping us in the loop on all this. So thank you so much, Mike Rollick.
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Well, thank you so much, Kim. Have a great day.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. May is right around the corner, Mother’s Day, Father’s Day. And a great gift would be to buy a brick that will be on one of the pathways of service at the USMC Memorial Foundation to honor your loved one’s military service. And to get more information about that, check out their website. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But you’ll receive just this lovely certificate. It’s a great gift. So be sure and check that out. I’m very pleased. And they’ve been on the show before and will be on regularly. And that is Alicia Garcia. and teddy collins with the second syndicate their new sponsors of the show and it’s great to have them alicia garcia welcome good morning how are you kim good i’m well good to have you and teddy collins welcome
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Hey, thank you for having me. Good morning.
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Well, good morning. And Alicia, I was working on different quotes and things as I was preparing for the show, the quote of the day. And I ended up with this quote from James Wilson about laws, the deliberations that we should have on laws. There’s no deliberation going on down at this Colorado State House. It’s the radical activists, extremists are in power. And they are doing everything they can, it seems like, to limit law-abiding citizens’ right to keep and bear firearms to protect ourselves against bad actors. So we talked about Senate Bill 003, and you’ve written an excellent piece that we have at KimMunson.com. What is your ear to the ground that’s going to continue to happen now over the next few days in this session?
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Well, we have a very, very scary bill that’s being actually heard for Senate floor work this morning at 10 a.m. in the Senate chamber. It is a bill proposed by Representative Linstead, Representative Sirota, and Senator Kathy Kipp. It is HB 251314. It is regarding giving peace officer status to certain Department of Revenue employees. It’s basically creating… a Colorado-style ATF board that has law enforcement capabilities that would be able to enforce laws against federal firearms licensees that are very, very much like my business partner, Teddy Collins. So this is a very, very dangerous bill that I don’t think is on a lot of people’s radar that they actually absolutely should be paying attention to and reach out to these prime sponsors as well as their Senate representatives right now to let them know that this bill is a ridiculous overstep and this is something that should not be passed whatsoever.
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wow and uh so that is you said there it’ll be uh on the floor today so people should reach out on this particular bill to the sponsors and and say that well and to our legislators say we do not want this to pass right absolutely this bill would basically
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arm Department of Revenue employees to enforce laws that are obviously unconstitutional. We already have the ATF that does this. So my concern is why are they wanting to arm and enforce laws towards FFL? It makes me concerned to wonder what they plan on doing and what their angle is for this.
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Yeah, that is really of great concern. Teddy, it seems like they’re coming at carrying a firearm every which way. So to really put more and more laws on businesses like yours is a real problem. Did we lose him? Is he still there? Okay, whoops, I think Teddy fell off the line. So, Alicia, why don’t you go ahead and take that question then?
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So, essentially, this bill, HB 251314, is… Their focus is basically attacking a constitutionally protected industry. So this unit that they want to appoint is going to be allowed to carry weapons, make arrests, enforce state laws. And it’s a brand new policing unit that is being created inside of the Department of Revenue. So why do they want that? And they’re saying it’s a zero fiscal note, which is. In the words of my counterpart, Teddy Collins, he says, I want the numbers to their accountant because I want to know how they’re able to, with a $1.3 billion debt, create a $0 fiscal note for positions like this that are going to have to create a post-certified criminal investigator exam to empower these people, etc. How are they going to be able to do that for free?
SPEAKER 08 :
Right, right. Right. The other thing, Alicia, because people may say that, gosh, I don’t carry a firearm. And so they don’t really think about that. And so it doesn’t they say it doesn’t really affect me. But the problem, Alicia, is when government starts to do unconstitutional things and overreach in one area, you can pretty well rest assured that if a tyrannical government will do it in other areas as well, Alicia.
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Well, the scary part of this is this bill was kind of flying under the radar because they were proposing it to be involved solely for, like, the automotive industry. But they snuck a little tick in there that created this for all FFLs, licensed firearms dealers. So this gives them power to knock on your door if you are a licensed firearms dealer, all backed by the Department of Revenue, enforce all Colorado laws, not just those related to firearms. They can carry weapons, make arrests, they can investigate you. So who’s to say that this isn’t the beginning of the Gestapo to start knocking on doors of private citizens to investigate them based on tips? or information pertaining to firearms to confiscate those guns. And when we start imposing laws like this, it opens those doors to bypassing your due process for illegal search and seizure to violate your right to privacy, which are all constitutionally protected rights. So if we’re going to be accepting things like this for the firearms industry, who’s to say that they won’t start doing this to parents who they don’t agree with how they are in raising their children like we were just discussing oh boy or hey you know our kids want to be able to do this and they’re going against the grain of the indoctrination that’s happening in schools hey guess what now we have law enforcement abilities from these departments to knock on your door and investigate you based on these things it’s a slippery slope so when you start accepting law enforcement for these types of things You’re opening the door to all possibilities for them infringing on your rights and violating your right to say no or to raise your family the way you want to.
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Goodness. Gosh, Teddy, as Teddy Collins with Spartan Defense, as I think about this, this is really scary. I don’t know what else to say.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, I mean, it’s definitely a new step, and it’s equivalent of arming IRS agents, essentially, is how I like to explain it, but that are loyal to the governor, not to the president or to the federal government, but to the governor and the state of Colorado and all these crazy laws that they’re passing.
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Gosh, elections really do have consequences. And so we’ve got to really realize that as we’re going to the ballot box on these particular issues. So we need to make our voices heard on this House Bill 1314 for sure. And the status on this. OK, it’s in the Senate third. The last action was the third reading on that. Right. So where is this at exactly, Alicia? I know you’re watching this closely.
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Yes. So today is for Senate floor work at 10 a.m. in the Senate chamber. So you can still reach out to your senators and say, hey, this is an agreed overstep. There is no need for this. I mean, if you think about it, we have marijuana in the state of Colorado. The marijuana division doesn’t even have this much enforcement. So why do they want to do that to us? the firearms licensee department. Why do they want to mess with us in this way? Teddy and I are also involved with the Colorado Federal Firearms Licensee Association that was established last year because of all these egregious laws that are attacking the the gun the gun industry so we are doing our best to stay informed and to push back against these things but you know we’re only a few people we need the people to get involved and we need national outrage in addition to state outrage reach out to your senators and say hey this is this is unnecessary this is uncalled for we do not want this we have plenty of laws in the state of colorado that have not even went into effect yet let’s see how those laws affect the colorado you know dichotomy of guns versus non-gunners and let that play out the way it needs to before we start just drowning out this industry with legislation
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Teddy Collins, this firearms industry, people, there are hunters from all political areas, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, unaffiliated. I’ve heard that many hunters and fishermen, they don’t vote. Have you heard that by any chance? No.
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Yes, and I’ve seen it, including with the customers that come through my store, is that they’re just not informed and they don’t vote. People need to start taking their Second Amendment rights seriously and start showing up to the ballot and being a 2A voter. Because of things exactly like this, the things that we’re seeing in Colorado, it’s… The Second Amendment should not be a partisan issue, but it has become one. And we have to vote people into office that empower us. It’s the citizenry to protect ourselves, to defend ourselves, and to allow us to make it so that we’re able to exercise our constitutional rights.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and the founders put the Second Amendment into the Bill of Rights for a reason. And I love your tagline, Alicia, regarding the Second Amendment and how it relates to the first. So what is that?
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So the second protects the first. That’s exactly the whole point, is the second protects all of these rights. If you have no ability to defend what you want to say, you have no ability to resist, what other freedoms do you have? This is a beautiful thing because our forefathers just finished liberating an entire country. They didn’t create the Second Amendment for hunting. They created the Second Amendment to be able to stand up and resist tyranny if ever it got out of control. And as I mentioned in the article that I wrote for your wonderful network and website is we are living in modern tyranny right now. And what I’m fearful of is that things are going to get a little bit spicy here in Colorado because there’s a lot of people that are very tired and they’re very worn out. And we’ve done everything by the book. But the problem is our opponents aren’t. They are playing dirty games. They are, you know, using strategy that is uncouth. It’s not representative of the system that we created, and it’s very backhanded and dirty. And it’s to the point that people are discouraged because they feel that no matter what they’re doing, no matter how often we show up to the gold dome and testify and stand up against these unconstitutional laws, we’re outnumbering democracy. People in public testimony that are pro-gun tend to won almost every time. And yet these legislators completely ignore and disregard the voice of the people and continue to vote for these egregious oversteps on our constitutional and human rights. So right now we’re at a come to Jesus moment, if you will, that people are like, OK, it’s quite apparent. that you are not caring about the voices of the people. You’re serving your own personal agendas and your own ideologies of wanting to disarm Colorado. Something has got to give, and I’m very concerned with what that’s going to look like. So I want to tell everybody out there, not only is it time to arm up and protect yourself, but it’s time to start looking to how we can get people to run for office. Let’s get these horrible people out of office that are running unopposed, that are literally… put into these seats in office that were walked into there. And now they’re running unopposed. People like Chad Clifford that, you know, he was he was appointed. He wasn’t elected. And then he was in this last election. He ran unopposed. People out there, you need to start believing in yourself and using your voice, stepping up and running for these offices and getting people with conservative pro to a values back in office to protect these rights.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, well, we’re going to continue the discussion. I’m talking with Teddy Collins and Alicia Garcia with the Second Syndicate, and they are doing amazing work. This is so important. And again, it almost seems like these legislators down there are flooding the zone with so many different bills just to wear people down. But we’ve got to stay engaged on this and stay informed, and that’s why we do the show. And it comes to you because of great sponsors like The Second Syndicate. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy.
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And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at Kim Munson dot com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And I did want to mention the Center for American Values located in Pueblo, and they are doing amazing work honoring our Medal of Honor recipients with their portraits of valor, but also educational programs to continue to instill these values of honor, integrity, and patriotism. We’ve got to understand these values so that we can reclaim our state and reclaim our country. And so get more information by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. So pleased to have on the line with me Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins with the Second Syndicate. And Alicia, you and Teddy created the Second Syndicate because we should really be united in it. in trying to protect our Second Amendment. But what’s happened, and in some ways I think it’s by design, protecting our Second Amendment, there’s been a lot of different organizations in that arena, but instead of fighting to protect the Second Amendment, people have ended up kind of fighting each other. So you put this together to unite people so that we can get focused on what we really need to be doing.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. We, you know, we play friendly and we’re very cordial and nice with all two organizations here in the state of Colorado. But at the same time, I feel that there’s a lot of you know, miscommunication and bad blood based on previous histories of things that have happened in Colorado. And we really need people to be focused on working together right now. So Teddy and I and his wife, Rocio, we united to create the second syndicate because truly the second is for everyone. And we want people to understand that this is a nonpartisan organization where we solely champion the rights for the people in the Second Amendment. So we welcome people of all walks of life, all ALL SECTIONS, ALL CHOICES, ALL PARTISANS. SO I DON’T CARE IF YOU’RE A DEMOCRAT, WE DON’T CARE WHAT YOU CHAMPION IN OTHER topics or what your political views on other things are. We are conservative people. We absolutely have certain values, but at the same time, we truly believe that it is not our place to impose it on people. We need people to understand and respect the right to bear arms, to come in under the umbrella of the second syndicate and unite not just federal firearms licensees, but unite firearms instructors, companies that have training organizations or ancillary products that make optics or holsters or Whatever it is that you can think of that’s in relation to the Second Amendment and give them a place where we can unite, where we can communicate and rally together and push back against these tyrannical infringements that are flooding our state.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and, Teddy, I really congratulate you on having the vision. Thank you so much for having me. And it’s really an important piece about the Senate Bill 25003, Teddy. And I know people are concerned about it, but a lot of people don’t understand what it is. So can you explain that for somebody that just doesn’t know? And, oh, Teddy dropped off again? Oh, my gosh. Alicia, I don’t know what’s happening with Teddy. He must be traveling or something. Okay, let’s have you jump in here. He was traveling. What’s that?
SPEAKER 14 :
He was traveling. So, essentially, Senate Bill 25003 is asking the state… for a permit to purchase a semi-automatic firearm, which is egregious. So let me put it to you this way. I am the plaintiff in Garcia versus Polis that is the three-day waiting period in order to obtain a firearm that you already passed a background check and pay for. So in addition to now, to that waiting period that is being enforced and on the books in gun shops across Colorado, this is an additional requirement in addition also to the uh what is it the colorado uh handgun permitting process to be able to conceal a firearm so there’s firearm concealment permits that you’re going to have to get in order to walk around and conceal a firearm now they’re imposing a permit to purchase that says hey you know what i have to ask the state if it is okay for me to buy a semi-automatic magazine fed firearm so you’re going to have to jump through hoops through the department of wildlife and say, hey, I have to get this training. It’s either a four-hour or a 12-hour class, so basically 16 hours of training and education. Then that petition goes to your sheriff in your county, and you have to ask them if it’s okay if you can buy a firearm. Now, how egregious is this? This is egregious because they have the ability to exercise discretion based on your personal recognizance to say, hey, you know what, do I want this person to be able to have this firearm? So they can look at your social media. They can look at your, you know, the fact that you speed all the time and they don’t like the fact that you have a lead foot. Or maybe you are very libertarian and you don’t like to pay your taxes because you believe all taxes are infringements. Whatever it is that. they find repugnant about you, they can rubber stamp your application and say, you know what, this person does not fit the mold of who we want to be armed in Colorado. We are going to deny them this right. And now, even though you jumped through the hoops to get your concealed handgun permit, you’ve waited three days for years to get a handgun, now we’re going to say, you know what, we may not like what you’re doing, so we’re going to deny you the ability to permit or supply this firearm, and they have to do that. God bless you.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. I keep throwing it over to you, Teddy, and I think that you must be traveling because the call gets dropped. So let’s get your comments on this Senate Bill 003. And would people just go to a different state and purchase a firearm?
SPEAKER 12 :
So unfortunately, how federal law works is that for a federal firearms license dealer to sell you a firearm, the firearm has to be compliant with the state that you reside in on the ID that you provide them. And also, you can’t purchase handguns across state lines, only long guns. So going to Wyoming, for example, to purchase an item that would be noncompliant here in the state of Colorado wouldn’t work. People would have to do some things that would be considered borderline illegal under federal law in order to possess items that weren’t compliant in the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow, so this is really going to make it. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we’ve seen this governor and the mayor of Denver welcome in people here illegally. And we know that there’s some bad actors that have arrived. And so they’re welcoming bad actors into our state and yet then trying to deny law-abiding citizens, the citizens, the right to protect ourselves, Teddy.
SPEAKER 12 :
Yeah, it just goes to show where their priorities lie. They don’t care about our right to carry. They don’t care about our right to bear arms over, defend ourselves and our family members. The hypocrisy is great. They could have, there’s so many things they could have done to increase penalties for firearms theft, crime, things of that nature that he did not do this legislative session. In fact, some bills were brought up that they pushed to the side or rooted against in many cases, yet they won’t. citizens bear the responsibility and have these restrictions put on their everyday life, on their ability to exercise that constitutional rights. It’s just our rights. And that’s where we are in the state. That’s why 2026 is extremely important. In the district you live in, you should look and see who’s running for those House and Senate seats here in the state of Colorado for the Colorado legislator. And if no one’s running, maybe you should consider running yourself because The fact that about one third of these seats were appointed this last legislative session. And now we have this this new law that affects all of us here in Colorado shows that we need to show up to vote and we need to make sure we have candidates running.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Teddy Collins with Second Syndicate, thank you so much. And also you’re with Spartan Defense and Alicia Garcia. We have just about a minute left. How can people do people join the Second Syndicate or just contribute to the work? What’s the best way to support you?
SPEAKER 14 :
We have a give, send, go that you can go to at the Second Syndicate and donate to us. We are a 501c4, so literally a 50 cents of every dollar that you donate to us goes directly to protecting and defending the Second Amendment, whether that is creating ballot initiatives or procuring candidates for certain districts that we want to put in office or… You know, recall initiatives, whatever it is that we want to do that we can make sure that we are defending and protecting the Second Amendment. So please go ahead and donate to us if you’d like. We will get a donation link on our website here soon. But every dollar, everything that you do to reach out to us, we appreciate. If you have a skill set and you want to volunteer and get involved. shoot us an email at info at thesecondsyndicate.com. That’s info at the2nd.com. Or just reach out to us and say, hey, I’d like to get involved. Let me see how I can help.
SPEAKER 08 :
We welcome all people. Oh, you’re doing such great work. Teddy Collins, thank you. And Alicia Garcia, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kim. Okay. And our quote for the end of the show is by James Wilson. He said, So, my friends, today be grateful. Read great books. Think good thoughts. Listen to beautiful music. Communicate and listen well. Live honestly and authentically. Strive for high ideals. And like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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Indeed, let’s have a conversation. And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence, take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team that I get to work with, and that is Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Monday, Producer Joe. I feel very somber. This is a very somber… show, both our number one and talking with Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins and also Mike Rolick regarding disarming law-abiding citizens. And somebody just sent this over on the text line. This was a Fox News headline. It says, Mexican nationals arrested while transporting 180,000 rounds of ammunition from Utah to Colorado. And it says that it was a traffic stop last month. and they were on non-immigrant visas i don’t know what that means uh exactly uh they have 180 000 rounds and yet this legislature is trying to prevent us from ammunition you know what this is exactly this is exactly one of the things the founding fathers was pretty uh they were pretty frustrated about producer joe
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Yeah, I don’t understand how you… 180,000 rounds, that’s definitely got to be a cause for concern in the first place. And on non-immigrant visa, that doesn’t make any sense.
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It doesn’t make any sense, does it? And keep those cards and letters coming in on the text line 720-605-0647. And this is… uh just a great concern so let’s get over here to our word of the day it’s discordant and it’s d-i-s-c-o-r-d-a-n-t could be uh being at variance or disagreeing or quarrelsome and uh so your challenge is to use that word discordant d-i-s-c-o-r-d-a-n-t in a sentence today our quote of the day is from james wilson he was born in 1742 he died in 1798 he was a founding father He was elected twice to the Continental Congress. He was a signatory to the Declaration of Independence. And he was one of only six people to sign both the Constitution and the Declaration, which is pretty amazing. And he was a Supreme Court Justice who was appointed by George Washington. And this was from something he’d written lectures on law 1791. He said, in planning, forming, and arranging laws, deliberation is always becoming and always useful. And then you’ve got to have this goal of liberty, the responsible exercise of freedom. So that is a quote from James Wilson. Let’s see, our, well, several, you know what, this is actually going to be a subject that I think is really important, and that is, and I mentioned this, that I think once people really understood what was going on, and many of you had sent this to me, and it was a sex ed summer camp, It was learning about ourselves and our world. And this was at CU Boulder. And actually, and it says when, fifth and sixth graders and seventh and eighth graders. And it says why. This is on their flyer. Because all humans, especially young humans, deserve information about their bodies, other people’s bodies, and how to communicate about them in ways that that feel fun, affirming, and exciting. Hmm. Your tax dollars at work. So this was then they decided that they’re not going to have this sex camp once people figured out what was going on. And so this was an article. Hold on here. From colorado peak politics it says it was updated the sex ed camp has reportedly been canceled due to safety concerns is what they said but initially the initial article said this your tax dollars would be funding a sex education camp at the cu boulder campus for children ages 10 to 14 this summer and then it goes on to say all the stuff that they were going to do and this is actually i would say grooming kids getting them to think about things that they probably don’t really need to be focused on And so we’re going to be talking with Dr. Greg Veeder as well as Dr. Travis Morrell here in the next few segments about what’s happening down at the state legislature, shutting down voices, and it’s going to be really important to chat about that. Before we do, though, as I mentioned, I get to work with amazing sponsors, and we like to keep you informed about what’s going on. I have so many questions regarding insurance coverage, and that’s why I’m so pleased that the Roger Mangett State Farm Insurance team are partners of the show. And Roger is in studio. And, Roger, I’ve got a question for you. We talked last week about roofs and total replacement insurance. I had a friend that she was in that area a few years ago with the tornado and the hail storm, and her roof was damaged, but the insurance company only wanted to replace part of it, and things weren’t matching.
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It was a nightmare for her. So address that. What should people know about that? Thank you, Kim.
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A good question. I think that issue has been resolved by some insurance companies where you can buy a partial roof replacement endorsement. So the scenario is your hailstorm comes in from the north and your roof is facing north and south. And the hailstorm does extensive damage, total damage, to the north side of the roof. But the south side, because of the angle of the hail, just ricochets off the roof. And there’s some damage, but not enough to… It might be cosmetic, and cosmetic damage isn’t really covered. It has to be substantial damage to affect the integrity of the purpose of the roof, which is to keep water out of the house. So basically, you’ve got, let’s say, a $20,000 claim, and the insurance company says, here’s $10,000 for the damaged part. And they only are obligated to pay for that which has been damaged. So you get a $10,000 claim. check minus your deductible, which might be $2,000. So you’re walking into an $8,000 situation, and the roofer says, ma’am, you really should have a full roof put on. And the insurance company says, sorry, we’re obligated to only replace that which was damaged. So what you can do is call your agency if your company has what they call a partial roof endorsement that you can put on at renewal. You can’t do it midterm. And it’s probably going to cost you between $100 and $150 a year, say $12 a month to put that endorsement on. So if the scenario unfolds as I just described, your company would be obligated to give you a total roof. So that hasn’t been around that long, and many companies have not embraced it. So if you want a quote from us, we would be glad to give you an opportunity to see if that fits for you. And if you would like, call my office at 303-795-8855.
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So, Roger, I do think that most people think that they have full replacement costs on their insurance. But they get into the claim, they’re going to find out they may not. So the good thing to do would be to call you guys, right?
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And we are into basketball, hockey playoffs, great place to get together with friends to watch the games is Hooters Restaurants. They have all kinds of TVs there. for all the sporting events. They have five locations, Loveland, Aurora, Lone Tree, Westminster, and Colorado Springs. So be sure and check that out. And then also thank you to the Harris family for their goal sponsorship of the show. We are an independent voice on an independent station, really delving into these important subjects. And so thank you to the Harris family for making all of that happen. On the line with me is Greg Veeder. I referred to him as Dr. Veeder because I think that he’s really, really smart. But he corrected me and he said he’s not a doctor, but he is a licensed Colorado psychotherapist and really appreciate having him on the line. Welcome, Greg.
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Thank you very much. Good to meet you this morning.
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Good to have you. And Dr. Travis Morrell has been on the show a number of different times regarding different pieces of legislation that have been down at the Statehouse. He’s also very involved with CPAN, which is Colorado’s Parents Advocacy Network, doing such important work trying to protect children. So, Dr. Morrell, welcome to the show.
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Thanks, Kim. Thanks for having me.
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So, Greg, I saw you a couple of weeks ago, and you handed me a piece that had been published at FAIR Colorado on March 28th. And in it, you’ve said you’ve been a Colorado licensed psychotherapist for almost 40 years. And tell us just a little bit about your practice.
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Yes, as you said, I’ve been a licensed clinical social worker for… over 40 years, and I was the founding mental health professional on the Colorado Sex Offender Management Board and served as the mental health professional on that board for the first seven years of its existence, and I’ve also had a private practice, and I’ve also ran a long-term sex offender treatment program for over 30 years, and so I’ve been dealing with awkward, complicated, and dangerous situations for all that time. And that work has exposed me to not just sex offenders, but all sorts of victim and sexually difficult issues. And now I’m getting involved in this particular sexual dysphoria problem.
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Greg Veeder, as I was reading your piece, I was thinking about your career. I was thinking that there are jobs that I couldn’t do, and yours is one of them, I think. But it’s a very important one. And you’re concerned because a bill was passed in 2019. It was 1129, so House Bill 19-1129, which basic and i remember seeing this bill thinking this is a problem but what i’m seeing regarding different agendas is there’s a long-term approach so dr travis morrell in 2019 this 1129 is passed which basically says that psychotherapists cannot that or therapists have to affirm gender confusion or dysphoria. I can’t talk about other things and really a silenced voices. And I remember looking at that thinking this could be a real problem, Dr. Morrell.
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Yeah. As Greg said, a lot of therapists tell me that. And we had a lawyer, Candace Jackson, recently at our CPAN summit about gender-affirming treatment harms that said, yeah, this is really silencing therapists because they, so this is bad because if parents come and think, oh, good, well, my kid’s confused, but I really think they’re autistic or really think they’re just depressed or really think they’re struggling through trauma or whatever, they might bring them to a therapist and just assume the therapist is going to make the best decisions for them. But actually right now, especially in Colorado, your therapist is very, very likely to affirm the delusion rather than try to help the child. And even if the therapist doesn’t believe that’s the right thing, they might not really directly treat what they really think should be treated.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Greg Veeder, the reason is because they’re concerned about losing their licenses, right?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, let me add to that. It was 11-29, and I think it was in 2019 that this came out. And since then, therapists have simply been afraid. Every therapist I know, that doesn’t mean I know every therapist, but everyone I know is scared of, some doing work with a child who is questioning their sexuality or seeking support towards going down a transgender changing path of puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries. Those therapists have to or cannot really talk about the pros and cons of such a path for that child, for the kid himself, lest the kid get angry with the therapist and turn around and report that therapist to DORA, the Department of Regulatory Agencies. The fear of DORA investigations and the impact that would have on their license and their ability to function has actually chilled therapists. In fact, I run a support group for therapists that range from licensed clinical clinicians all the way to concluding psychiatrists who won’t come out and say what I’m saying for fear of offending their referral source or, more importantly, offending DORA. So, yeah, it’s had a real chilling effect, and now that same chilling effect is being extended with 1312 to parents themselves And the threat there is through Department of Social Services. And that’s not academic because I’m also working with parents who have had their children removed and they don’t have control of their child or see their children even. So we’re now dealing with a very scary situation.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, Greg Veeder, you know families where the child has been taken from them by the government? Yes.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes. Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Kim, we know parents whose kid has been taken in this exact situation is 13-12, which is to say one parent doesn’t think a kid should get lasting medical change, medical castration, and one parent does. And then in the divorce, the parent who… is sane and protective, loses the kids custody. So that’s already what Colorado is doing to parents. You’ve seen some articles about this in the news about dad, Robert Cameron. I know at least one other. And so by name and then others by people have told me about them and so forth, but by rumor. But I know several personally, and my organization has written legal briefs to try to help one of them. Colorado took a 13-year-old from a father and put the kid on puberty blockers against his will. And as we know, that can have long-term effects for his relationship, his intelligence, and his life. And so Colorado is already doing this, but they’re going to put through 1312 so that they can put it in law, that that’s officially how they do it. And then I don’t know what will be the next step, but the bill that you’re talking about is silencing therapists. The next bill is going to silence parents. And Greg was quick to point out that this really just puts a tool in your ex or the kid. And if they just don’t like you, they can complain. And that’s actually a very powerful tool against therapists and doctors.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, let’s talk a little bit about the family situation. Children come home from school or elsewhere, now from social media, with all sorts of ideas. This prevents families from even being able to wrestle the wisdom of the idea because they have this looming threat of social services over their head, and the kid, often an adolescent, angry at their parents for not just jumping on board, then knows that they can turn around and initiate the removal of themselves and then turn back around and threaten their parents with it. It’s not difficult to see how that can happen, particularly since I’ve already seen it happen.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Greg, let’s think about this, though. Our children are just being bombarded with sexualizing them beginning at a very early age. In fact, the curriculum, my understanding is the curriculum has to include talking about, I think first graders talk about Jared Polis is gay. Of course, what does the next question is? What is gay? Well, then you’re headed down. the whole sex conversation with a little kid. And I think this is by design. But so our kids are going to school. They’re being tossed. And, of course, we’ve got the whole pronoun game as well, that parents might not be identified that they’re having a different name or pronoun at school. And there’s all kinds of peer pressure. And it seems like they’re kind of trying to make it cool to be questioning your – And this is really preying upon our children by kind of knowing what kids are and how impressionable they are, Craig.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. You just used two important words, cool and identify or identity. And it’s long been cool to get in conflict with one’s parents. I would say half of the material that comes out of Hollywood depicts examples of that. One way or another, that’s the arc of so many stories that we see on media. We have taken the concept of cool and essentially run off a cliff with it. We need to now put much more value in families learning how to talk with each other and The struggle is in the family, not at the Department of Social Services. Number two, you use the concept of the word identity. It’s very important to understand that identity is fluid. That being said, the professionals that are promoting the gender-affirming model speak to The notion of a true gender identity. Well, gender identity is fluid, too. I mean, can be. And so the notion that identity is a singular fixed thing discounts the fact that all of us go through identity changes through the course of our lives.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. Okay. Okay, we’re going to continue the discussion with Dr. Travis Murrell and Greg Veeder. This is so important. Colorado, I think, may be at the tip of the spear on these particular issues. I know California has crazy stuff going on. We’ll find out when we come back. These discussions happen because we have amazing sponsors, and they were on it in the first hour, and that’s Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins with the Second Syndicate.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmunson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And do check out the USMC Memorial Foundation’s website. May’s right around the corner, and their second annual golf tournament is May 15th out at the Ridge in Castle Pines. And so be sure and sign up if you’re a golfer. Great round of golf. Meet some great people and support the foundation. That website is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. On the line with me is a licensed psychotherapist, social worker, Greg Veeder, and Dr. Travis Morrell, who’s with Colorado Principled Physicians. And Greg, I’m going to ask you this question first. It seems sometimes that Colorado is worse than California. Are we, and that’s a terrible designation, but are we worse than California on all of this transgender stuff with our children?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, first of all, I want to say that I’m representing Fair for All in arts, education, medicine, and I’m also representing grandparents for kids. Oh, great. That’s a race that I don’t know how to measure, but it’s not a good one, and we appear to be in it. Okay.
SPEAKER 10 :
Great answer. Kim, I would add, actually, this similar bill, this one that requires parents to affirm the gender delusion of their child or potentially lose custody, they actually passed that bill in California last year, and Governor Gavin Newsom vetoed it. And in our state, all signs so far right now point to it being passed and signed. So this will be a good litmus test to officially test your statement whether Colorado is worse than California.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Is there any other states? Nonetheless, it’s effectively happening already.
SPEAKER 15 :
That’s true. Yeah, this practice that is getting codified with 1312 is already going on.
SPEAKER 08 :
Is this happening in other states other than Colorado or California, Travis Morrell?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes. Yes. Although most states now have passed some kind of ban on performing permanent gender procedures on kids, gender medicines on kids. In fact, most Democrats by a slim margin think that doctors shouldn’t be able to do that to kids under 18. But for this custody thing, we do hear reports of this in other states as well.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, so Greg Veeder, in your piece that was reprinted at Fair Colorado, Substack, you said that prior to 2014, the transgender population was very small, and treatment for individuals experiencing distress with their natal sex was primarily occurring amongst adults. What changed in 2014?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, the best I understand it, we’ve had the social media is a big piece. Then a little later, we have the COVID problem where kids are isolated. So then they’re on the computer even more. So those would be the dominant factors. And I think that families have experienced progressively more invasion by our borders. SOCIAL SERVICE SYSTEMS PROGRESSIVELY OVER TIME. SO I THINK IT’S NOT JUST ONE THING. IT’S BEEN A PROGRESSION WHICH 1312 IS A BIG PROBLEM OF IT PERPETUATES THIS PROGRESSION AND WE NEED TO STOP IT. SO I’M SURE I CAN’T GIVE YOU AN EXACT START POINT, BUT IT’S THE COMING TOGETHER OF THOSE VARIOUS FORCES.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, Dr. Travis Morrell, you have such an interesting journey because you had, as a doctor, been assisting adults with transgender surgery, yes?
SPEAKER 10 :
I had assisted surgery. I did prescribe hormones to adults, yes.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, okay. And your journey, though, has moved you over to now really working to protect children.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, well, it’s… pretty clear when they started doing it to kids that that would just absolutely be wrong on kids. So for adults, most of us just accept the World Professional Association for Transgender Health and what they say as far as guidelines. Of course, over time, we’ve learned that that’s really an activist organization posing as a medical organization, and I don’t really think we can trust them with anything. They openly in their guidelines recommend that some people be castrated as part of their gender, just strict castration as a unique gender. Doing this to kids is obviously bad because kids, unlike adults, are developing. And if you put, say, a boy who’s, say, 12 or so on puberty blockers, which Colorado Medicaid pays for as young as 8 to 13, if you put that kid on puberty blockers and then when they’re a little older, put that boy on estrogen, a cross-sex hormone, by the time they’re an adult, they’re going to have very small genitalia that literally don’t work. And so it’s very easy to think like, wow, that’s not going to be good for them if they’re trans, if they’re gay, if they end up straight, it’s just not going to be good for them. And so when you realize that this gender ideology is hurting the same kids that they’re supposedly helping, it’s very shocking and offensive to me as a physician.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and Dr. Travis Morrell, you mentioned something, and that is money. And first and foremost, I do not think tax dollars should be used to pay for this, nor should insurance companies be forced to cover this surgery. If people really, if parents really wanted their child to be on this thing, then I think that first and foremost, they should pay for it themselves. But there’s a lot of money in this industry, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we do know that there’s at least some hundreds of millions of dollars in it and probably billions by some estimates. We don’t really know. But there is money in it, especially over the long term, if you think. Once a patient goes down this road, they become a lifelong patient. So there’s no point where they get enough medicine or get enough surgery where they don’t need it anymore. So it becomes a lifeline stream of income. Probably not really for the individual doctor so much because people will bounce around. But for the pharmaceutical industry and for hospitals and medicine. Now, I do think that a lot of this is not just by money, not individual doctors wanting money, although that’s an influence, but a lot of doctors just, they think they’re helping people and they’re being really tools of activists that are, they’re going along with this because they think they’re doing life-saving care. And so that’s kind of embarrassing for me to see as a doctor.
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and I say all the time on the show, if something’s a good idea, you shouldn’t have to force people to do it. So if something’s a good idea, Greg Veeder, then it should be able to stand on its own two feet in the battle of ideas. But ultimately what’s happening here is a therapist with this House Bill 1911-29, they’re being forced to not talk about, you know, not… not talk about all sides of the issue. So that is a big red flag that the issue very possibly doesn’t make sense to me.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yep, your instincts are right on. If you can’t talk about it, then there’s a problem with it. And if our legal system makes it illegal, effectively, to talk about these issues from a thoroughly, you know, weighing all sides, either in the family or in the therapist’s office, then the issue probably needs to be ended or shown the light of day for the problems it generates. The problems like just exactly what Travis Morell said, the permanent patients that they create.
SPEAKER 08 :
So this House Bill 25, 1312, Dr. Travis Morrell, is being heard in the Senate on Wednesday, right? So I know that Lori Gimmelstein and the whole team over at Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, they’re doing a petition over at coloradotaxpayer.org with our Cut Engaged. You can easily weigh in with the sponsors and your legislators there. And we’d say flood the zone with both things on this. But I know that you’re doing great work over with CPAN as well, correct, Dr. Travis Morrell?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I love working with CPAN. I think they’re definitely leading the state and everybody should go to ColoradoParents.org and check in with them and see what they’re doing. Laura Gimmelstein is doing great work. I know that Lori Gammerstein’s group, as well as Aaron Lee’s group, Protect Kids Colorado, is having a rally this Thursday night at 1 p.m. at 7 p.m. as well. If people want to check that out, that’s something they can physically do. It’s at momsforliberty.org slash town hall. And that’s going to be this Thursday night talking about the bill with some representatives.
SPEAKER 08 :
OK.
SPEAKER 15 :
OK. The bill is also going to be heard on Wednesday in the Senate. And I know I’m going to be testifying along with a 61-year-old transsexual friend of mine who’s definitely against this bill.
SPEAKER 08 :
Interesting. So how does that work, Greg? I was thinking when it was heard in the Senate that you could only testify in committee, but you’ll be able to testify in the Senate as well?
SPEAKER 10 :
It will be the Judiciary Committee of the Senate.
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, it is the – got it.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yes, right. He’s right.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, got it, got it. Okay. And, again, also go to coloradotaxpayer.org, and you can weigh in on the 1312 as well. So, Greg Veeder – this always comes in on the, on the text line when we have these egregious bills is, is there going to be a legal challenge, a legal challenge? And there is a very important case at the Supreme court right now. Uh, Childs versus Salazar. Tell us about that, Greg.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah. Uh, Kaylee Childs is, uh, sued, uh, I think it’s Patty Salazar, uh, who runs Dora and it, uh, got turned down in the 10th district right here in Denver. But the Supreme Court now is taking up this because it’s such an incredible threat to the freedom of speech. And so that’s how come we’re hearing about it. It should be heard, I believe, this fall. And ask me a specific question about that if you’d like.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay. Well, yeah. What is it exactly that Kaylee Childs has sued Dora for?
SPEAKER 15 :
Essentially just what I said earlier, that the law as it exists now prevents her from having a full discussion with her clients. And she can’t talk with her clients either just in a secular therapy fashion or even in a religious fashion because or a Christian fashion. Therapists that can talk, you know, represent themselves as having provided spiritual guidance, and therapists represent themselves, as I do, as just being secular and not spiritually guided. Either one is now being prevented by the existing law, which was 1129. in our state. Did I make that clear enough?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, I think so. Travis Morrell, with this 1129 and therapists having to basically affirm gender confusion or delusion of children, What happens? Families are out there. They’re doing the best they can to try to raise their kids. They’re trusting that the schools are teaching them how to read, write, do arithmetic. Of course, we look at the results on that. It’s not good. So that means that something else must be going on. So let’s say this happens. Your adolescent girl daughter comes home and says, hey, I think I’m a boy, and parents want to do something about it, but they can’t put the child in therapy or that would be very difficult here in Colorado. What should a parent do?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s a scary question. And like you’re saying, this Bill 1312 makes that even more difficult of a situation for parents. So, I mean, if you had a kid with this confusion, you would probably want to move. But if that’s not an option, Therapy First is an organization that people should check out, Therapy First. And they do have parents. They do have therapists that will work with your kid and not affirm the delusion that will deal with the other issues that they have. Greg Veeder is, you know, I’m sure knows people and is an option. Wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER 15 :
Let me speak to that. The Therapy First has a Colorado chapter. But the few, like about half a dozen therapists that are part of Therapy First Colorado Chapter are not doing this gender. They aren’t doing the very therapy that the law prevents them from doing. They don’t want to break the law. They believe in what we’re talking about, but they’re a part of the group of silent therapists. So I can’t tell you where you can get therapy. just regular, full, meaningful therapy for your children. And where the therapist is going to be open about that. Okay. In this state, that’s not, I don’t believe they are doing that because I’ve talked to them.
SPEAKER 08 :
So, Travis and Roel, did you say that if, in the scenario, that you should move? Is that what you said?
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, yeah. I mean, if you had a kid that was really in this confusion, that’s what you should do. And the reason I say that is I know I have several physicians. I have physicians in my group that this happened to where they were their kid was in school and the physicians are super, you know, lifelong Democrats wouldn’t probably hardly talk to a Republican. And then this happens to their kid behind their back at school. And again, these are not religious people. These are not right-wing people, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but just to speak to stereotypes. And then their kid, young kid, preteen, this happens too. And what they’ve done is they’ve at least moved to different districts, have new friends for your kids, lock down social media, because like Greg already said, These kids that are in this confusion on average have four and a half hours more problematic social media time per day is what studies show. So you don’t really get into a delusion and stay into a delusion unless you have people constantly reaffirming it. And studies also show that these kids tend to have very quickly developed friend groups where most of the kids in the friend groups are also friends. so-called trans or have some other, you know, other identity that’s not real. And so it’s only with this constant re-encouragement from friends and on social media that is not going to be there, by the way, when they’re dealing with scars and fertility issues when they’re adults, that is a necessary ingredient. So yeah, you definitely need to get your kid out of a situation where they’re constantly being told that this is a good thing for
SPEAKER 08 :
Well, and one of the first things it sounds like is limiting social media. We are going to continue the discussion with Greg Veeder and Dr. Travis Morrell regarding, again, these are pieces of legislation that are being pushed here in Colorado. And when I say in Colorado they’ve been playing long ball, they have. Because House Bill 19-11-29 silenced the voices of therapists. Now House Bill 25-13-12 would silence the voices of parents. And I think the things are connected. That’s why we do the show is to help you connect the dots. And all this happens because of our sponsors. If you’ve been injured, be sure and reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Well, yes. CU Boulder and also Boulder Valley Health Center, which is a clinic that has their doctors have come to testify in favor of these bills that encourage gender affirming care, so-called treatment on kids, because they directly perform it and profit off of it. And so those are the two co-sponsors with the University of Colorado. And I think the thing worth seeing is if anybody has social media, Scott Shamblin, who’s the executive director of Right to Life in Colorado, Scott Shamblin went to the registration classes for this sex ed summer camp to see, hey, what can parents look for that their kids will get to learn at this camp? And it’s so disturbing. I don’t know. But it was basically they were going to play with puberty toys, and I quote, and dental dams, and I quote, and she kept saying play with them. and so that they could learn how to use these. Again, fifth graders, they’re teaching the kids that they’re about, quote, bodies beyond the binary. In other words, that they’re going to need the medicine and surgery that, or not surgery probably, but the medicine that they perform at Boulder Valley Health Center. So I think that’s a great way to groom kids for your clinic, I guess. And it’s pretty horrible though for their family life and for their personal health. So I think it’s horrible and I’m glad that people spoke up. That being said, even though it died, We have to remember, Colorado pays for, I think it’s $22 million for camps through Queer Joy Camp, I think every year is federal money. And this kind of stuff is going on in schools and stuff all the time. You just don’t realize it. They hide it. They hide it called Art Club or something like that. But this is a much bigger issue. But it is good to see that people spoke up about this one.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And Greg Veeder. There’s another piece. Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s another part in here. And that’s the concept of privacy. And privacy is both a right and a responsibility. And it gets particularly kind of the nexus of this very issue is with our sexuality. That’s why it’s illegal to go around flashing people. And privacy really start, people learn that as young children in the home. And the home is the best place and the most appropriate place to continue that education of how to go through life being appropriately private. And the school should be echoing what the parents are teaching in this department. Connected to that, if schools want to help with sex ed, the better way to do that is talk to parents about how they can talk to their kids, and then they, the parents, can handle it as they feel is appropriate in their respective households, and that’ll be different from household to household, but that’s where it belongs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Most definitely. Okay, so what do people need to do? What’s their to-do things to do today, Dr. Travis Morrell?
SPEAKER 15 :
I can answer. I’ll give Phil in his space.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay, sounds great. Greg?
SPEAKER 15 :
The first thing to do is to do whatever possible to kill 1312 and use that as a starting point. Secondly, they all should be involved in their parental organizations related to their schools so they can get the school squared away and in doing what they should be doing, which is focusing on basic education. rather than social change. Those two projects alone will keep any parent occupied.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I agree, Kim. And they can testify for against 1312 this Wednesday. It’ll be after 1.30 p.m. You can do it on Zoom or in person. And if they follow me, Lori, you know, Gimbelstein, any of us, Aaron Lee, They can find out how to do that if they don’t already know how. And then Thursday night at 1 p.m. Sorry, at 7 p.m. on May 1, there is a parental rights in danger in Colorado with HB 25, 1312 Town Hall with some representatives. And they can read about that at Moms for Liberty slash Town Hall, Moms for Liberty dot org slash Town Hall.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good information. Now, we have just a couple of minutes, and this came in from Jenny. She said, we do not affirm any other delusions. And Greg Veeder, with the postmodernism and relativism that really started, I think, in the 60s and 70s, where instead of real truth, that it was, oh, I have my truth, you have your truth. I think that that was the… founding of where we’ve gotten down to with um people saying that they’re a different gender it’s been a long progression but uh i think it’s now you know slapping us in the face that is there real truth there is real truth and we have to stand for real truth and so greg veder i appreciate what you’re doing oh do you want to comment on on the on what you just said yeah i guess if you yeah give me uh 30 seconds
SPEAKER 15 :
Just that I agree with you that using the victim-victimizer-oppressor model for everything, and the parents now are the oppressor, is a great way to create social division. And I think that’s at the heart of this.
SPEAKER 08 :
Wow. Greg Veeder, thank you so much. And Dr. Travis Morrell, your final thought.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I agree. This identity, making this into changing people’s identity into physical permanent scars on kids is really a danger. And then it has bad impacts on the family and society. So we need to protect our kids from that. So please come out and testify.
SPEAKER 08 :
Absolutely. And that is this this Wednesday in the state Judiciary Committee. Gentlemen, thank you so much. Thank you for caring for our children.
SPEAKER 10 :
Thank you.
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