John and Neil also discuss the importance of being genuinely present for those grieving and how the right approach can make a significant difference. As they navigate through topics such as climate change, they ponder the balance of weather alerts and the implications of how these contribute to public perception. With passionate segments on Preborn’s life-saving missions and the benefits of SunPower LED therapies, this episode satisfies listeners seeking both insight and impactful stories.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome to another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I am your host this week, John Rush, Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason. Bob Duco is not with us today from Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco’s show, but Neil Boron is with us, Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron live. Otherwise, Neil, it would just be the – there would be a roundtable. It would be like, what, a podium if it was just me by myself.
SPEAKER 03 :
Welcome to the National Podium Podcast. There you go.
SPEAKER 02 :
That would be great. And, you know, we’re laughing, which, you know, laughter is good medicine. And, you know, for a lot of you listening, especially those of you that are in the Texas area, you know, our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out to all of you. You know, just such a tragedy, Neil. And I wanted to start there just because… And they’re not done yet. They’re still looking for possible survivors. The death toll now is, I think, I looked just a few seconds ago, it’s 109 as we speak, but there was 173 people missing. And again, that isn’t done yet. We got a lot to talk about there. And I think one of the first questions that comes up, and I got a question on my program yesterday from a texter that basically said, when things like this happen, and even you, John, have you had any immediate deaths in your family and so on, and when those sorts of things happen, do you question God? Do you get angry? What’s your thought process when those things happen? So Neil, I thought I would start there because I do think a lot of people, when things like this happen, I don’t know if they necessarily question their faith, but they may question, you know, why does God allow these things to happen? And that’s a deep subject, and frankly, I’m not him, Neil. I can’t answer that fully. I can get a pretty good idea, I think, just from knowing Scripture and knowing the fallen world that we live in and so on, and so there’s things that I think are basic truths that you and I can talk about, but honestly, can I answer fully Why does God allow this to happen? No, because I’m not him.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’m not either, and I don’t know that there’s an answer to these kind of things, and I’m not just trying to shy away from the question itself. I honestly believe that part of the tension that exists between the things that really happen and the things we can understand is that space where God desires that we would draw close to him. And I’ve, over the years, at times, shook my fist at God, I think Job had sufficient number of questions about things that God was doing. And Jesus himself labored over this idea of, you know, as man, he was fully God, he was fully man. But I believe as man, he understood the pain that was going to face him at the cross. And he was like, hey, Father, if there be any other way, you know, let this cup pass for me. That there was a moment of questioning, at least in his human side. And that didn’t count as sin. He was sinless, of course. So I think that God wants us to be honest. He wants us to come to him when we’re struggling or suffering. And somehow or another, we live in an imperfect, broken world created by sin itself. You know, mankind’s rebellion against God. So one day we have the hope of living for all eternity with God in a place where there’s no tears, no suffering, and everything that’s wrong will be made right. in the meantime, stuff happens and it’s horrible. And I honestly think God appreciates when we’re just honest with him. And when people can come to him and say, why God, how in the world could this happen? You know, did you do this? And let him speak to their hearts. Let him provide the comfort that only he can bring. He’s the God of all comfort. So I don’t know. I don’t know that there’s any one answer. And honestly, John, I’ll just say this. When people try to say, look, I can give you the exact answer to that question. And I know exactly what God was doing on that. I don’t think any of us ever know exactly what God’s doing and how fully he’s working in a situation because we might see it. From one tiny perspective, but while he’s working in our lives and he’s working in our sphere of influence in the world we live in, he’s working everywhere simultaneously. So I don’t know. I just think this is one of those times where we just need to cry out to him, call out to him. You know, God is near to the brokenhearted. He saves those who are crushed in spirit. That’s the God we serve.
SPEAKER 02 :
And again, for those that are listening that have, you know, any connection to that whatsoever, family, friends, distant relatives, close relatives, you know, as you know, Neil, our signal goes a lot of different places. The podcast is listened to all over. Our KLZ, believe it or not, our KLZ regular radio signal in Denver at times, I have terrestrial listeners in the panhandle of Texas that listen to us. So the reality is there are people in that area that I’m sure that we are you know talking to and great advice by the way neil and i will say this too and this is something where i think we all need to be careful this is something that i think i again i don’t have all the direct answers when somebody you know when you how should i say this neil when you meet somebody that you know has just gone through something traumatic death in the family bad accident things along those lines I think the last thing that they want to hear is, I know what you’re going through, because the reality is, no, you don’t. So I think the best thing you can say is, I’m here for you. I have no idea what you’re going through, but I am here for you. I will be praying for you. I will do everything I possibly can to help you. If there’s anything you ever need, let me know, but I will not sit here and lie to you and tell you that I know what you’re going through, because the reality is, I don’t.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, we try to equate things in our minds, or even as we share thoughts like that with people that are suffering. But it never does the trick. And it’s not wise to do that. I agree with you 100%. And I think, you know, I’ve made a lot of mistakes in my life. But among them are times where I tried to provide you know, expert advice or comfort or provide answers to people that were just simply suffering and needed to continue to suffer. We have some friends whose son took his own life a number of years ago. They’re still suffering. They, you know, and his birthday rolls around and turns out that he has the, the boy who took his life, the young man, uh, we have a child by the same name. And so, you know, at times as our friendship has continued, Mary and I have felt somewhat guilty because we still have our son, Ben, and they don’t have their son, Ben. And, you know, it’s just, it’s a, it’s a part of the human experience to go through situations that we don’t fully understand because as you said earlier, we’re not God, but I love what you’re pointing out. And that is that instead of trying to answer everybody’s questions, we just need to be there with them. That the same comfort that God has provided to us, we can provide to them by just loving them in their circumstance right where they’re at.
SPEAKER 02 :
And as we talk about the loss of life, that’s really what’s happening here with Texas. We’ll get into more of maybe some of the things that happened up to that point. And I hate to point fingers, Neil, but I think there were definitely some mistakes that were made. We’ll get into some of those things as well. But in light of that, the other thing that I, as a man especially… have no experience with, and me personally have no experience with this at all because I’ve never been involved with a family member or wives or girlfriends or anything along those lines whereby I had to be involved with any kind of an abortion in any way, shape, or form. I guess you could say, Neil, I’m extremely lucky on that end of things. So I don’t know what those ramifications are like. Now, I’ve interviewed a lot of people over the years when it comes to I’ve talked to a lot of ladies that had them early in life, and then as they get later in life, they regret those decisions. So that part I do know, and I have talked to those particular individuals, but like this Texas flooding, I don’t know exactly what that feeling is like. What I do know is pre-borns. is out there saving babies’ lives. They’re doing just the opposite of what the other side wants to do, Neil, which is to take life. Preborn wants to add life or keep that life that’s in the womb existing and not kill that life off, which essentially, in my opinion, abortion is murder. So they are saving babies’ lives on a daily basis. They’re saving moms. They’re saving families, by the way, because as you know, Neil, this can stretch on to other individuals in the family as well. It’s not just the mom that’s affected. There’s a lot of people that can be involved and affected when it comes to abortion. So guys, I would encourage you greatly. They need your help. They need your resources so they can pass that on to those that are in need. Ultrasound machines, you hear Bob talk about it all the time, $15,000 buys one, but any donation will help save a baby’s life. Do that today. Just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And segueing into, Neil, the SunPower LED, and I’ve given my own testimony on this numerous times on the program, it is a technology that absolutely works.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, going back to the Texas flooding, and I do want to get into some of the – and even our producer, Gail, we were talking right before the program today on some of these things and get into some of what I feel, Neal, should be a learning lesson for a lot of other – not just churches and nonprofits and things like that, but I think just in general, just the preparedness end of things. And for those of you listening, you may not know this, but I do a preparedness show every Friday in Denver from 2 to 3. It’s called Ready Radio. You can find that by going to ready-radio.com. We record that, so there’s podcasts of that as well. So anywhere in the country, you guys can listen to that. After the fact, you can listen on live. with our KLZ app that we have in Denver as well. But these are things, Neil, that I talk about on a weekly basis when it comes to being prepared for the very things that Texas went through. And again, I always am hesitant, especially shortly after an event like this happens, and this is not to point blame, but I think everything has a learning aspect to it, and this would be no different. I think… Number one, I read last night that the National Weather Service, as much as I do feel like at times they overrate things and it’s sort of that they cry wolf so many times that it gets to the point where people become tone deaf to some of the messaging that they put out. And I do think there’s something there that, you know, we could even maybe dive into, whether it’s today or down the road. But I do think that this whole, you know, climate change and they’re crying wolf all the time and all of this is because of, you know, man-made climate change and this, that, and the other, which is a whole other topic that we’ve covered on this program. many times in the past, but the reality, Neal, is there was fair warning. The National Weather Service did put out warnings 24 hours in advance to tell people to be on alert for what was going on. There was a mayor of one of the local cities that, believe it or not, was out jogging at 4 a.m. moments before the flood, meaning that he wasn’t paying any attention to what was going on. I mean, I just find some of those things, honestly, Neal, absurd that we’ve got all of this technology now at our hands and yet we’ve got a camp here that essentially allowed 27 kids to pass because somebody wasn’t paying attention
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it’s really sad. But, you know, in one sense, and I’m not cutting any slack here, I’m just saying it’s part of human nature, I think, in one way to think it’ll never happen to me. You know, I mean, you see, for instance, a suicide bomber in Beirut or something, you know, set off a bomb at a coffee shop. Does that stop us from going to coffee shops here in the U.S.? No, because we think it could never happen to us. And that’s really the same kind of thing you hear after something like the Boston Marathon bombing. It was like I couldn’t believe it. that this was happening to me. I thought this happened in other places. And so I think, and because of crying wolf, I mean, so many times the National Weather Service has said something horrible is going to happen in this area, storms and other ones. We’ve had our share really bad.
SPEAKER 02 :
We have the same situation like you, you know, the bomb cyclone snowstorm is on its way, or, you know, it’s going to be the biggest blizzard we’ve had, you know, this year or whatever the case may be. And you know, here in Colorado, we could go through that with just, you know, hardly any snow whatsoever. And it’s not to point blame. I realize that forecasting weather is not an exact science, but you wonder, should they tone down, and they’re not going to agree with me on this, of course, but should they tone down some of their severe warnings when they may not even be for sure that they’re coming so that people do have, you know the ability or i should say they’re on more more alert to those messages that actually you know come out i i don’t know i don’t know the answer to that exactly i will tell you that personally neil i don’t know how you are on this i’ve got all of the notifications they come on my phone and i’ll be honest with you there are a lot of times and i am not exaggerating There are a lot of times where I’ll take a quick little blurb at that, read it, and I’ll be like, guys, you’re making a big to-do out of what I can see here as being nothing, and yet these alerts just, you know, every day there’s some sort of an alert. I was talking about this on the program the other day, Neil. We are in Colorado here right now. We’re getting into the, you know, high 90s, low 100s, which, by the way, I’ve lived here my entire life. I’m a native. not abnormal to be in the, you know, getting close to the middle of July and having those types of temperatures. But all these alerts come out, you know, basically that, you know, going to be the hottest week could possibly break a record. I mean, they hype this stuff up so much that, that frankly, Neil, and in this particular case of the heat here in Colorado this week, this is a normal thing. There is no news there at all whatsoever.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And that’s all true. But again, What if they don’t provide the warning? You know, it’s like six in one, half dozen in the other. You could probably argue both ways, but I think it’s probably better that they give us the hype so that there’s some level of awareness that severe weather could happen, and not just so that they absolve themselves of any liability, just the idea that that we need to know that there’s a possibility. By the way, like Buffalo, New York, obviously is not the hottest place on the planet. But in July, we get temperatures in the upper 80s, sometimes into the low 90s. And I can tell you this much. In the afternoon in Buffalo, New York, sitting right on the edge of Lake Erie, humidity is kind of high. On a really hot day like that, the conditions are ripe for a severe thunderstorm. Happens every single time. Does the thunderstorm happen? No. But they give the warning every time. And I think it’s valuable to have some idea that things could happen. But it’s that human factor I was talking about earlier, the tune-out factor. Like, well, yeah, but it’s never going to happen to us. I mean, maybe people have gone to Camp Mystic.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and really quick, I’m just going to push back slightly because I don’t disagree with you. But I feel like – and this is my beef with all of this, and it would be interesting to see what Bob thinks along these lines as well because I think he would agree with you and I on this one – I feel at times some of the hype is coming out of the whole climate change, global warming aspect of things. It’s almost like they hype a lot of things up just to prove that, see guys, look, in fact, the earth is doing X, Y, Z, and it’s your fault that it’s happening. I mean, there’s times I feel like that’s exactly what some of these weather services are doing. And that’s my beef because there’s times that they’re trying to justify, you know, climate change when in fact, yes, the climate does change in its cycles, but it’s not the way I don’t believe it’s the way they think. Am I a climate change denier? I wouldn’t say that because I think things are cyclical and things change even from season to season depending upon where you’re at. And I do think that, Neil, that in the case of us here in Colorado, are we potentially a little warmer now than we were maybe even a couple of decades ago? Yeah, there’s twice as many people now living in Colorado. There’s more asphalt on the road. There’s more things that are heating up. There’s more buildings. So is all of that going to contribute to a in our area, not worldwide, but in our little area? Could that contribute to maybe a slightly higher temperature at times? And I think you could argue that, well, maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know one way or the other. But my point with the Weather Service at times is I just feel like it’s almost like PBS. They’re trying to establish their existence. And along with that, they want to make sure that we all know that climate change exists. So they do these warnings on a routine basis to try to back up that narrative.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’ll give you that it’s possible and maybe even probable that that’s going on. But I do think that the situation’s worse on the other side of the equation, meaning after a disaster occurs, the number of people that jump on opportunistically to say this was a cause, this is a result of climate change, when they have no real evidence of that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Agree.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it’s simply based on political evidence. persuasion they’re trying to push people in the way of you know supporting their agenda however i will say i agree with you on on the idea that maybe denver is warmer because there’s you know it’s a growing area lots of asphalt but you got to keep in mind the hottest radio show on the planet is on klz and denver the rush to reason show and that’s the reason is the problem you know
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and your point a moment ago, and I talked about this yesterday on the program, and you’re right. There’s so many folk on the left, which I know we have people on the left listen to us because I get feedback from them. Shame on you, those of you that are on the left, that have come out with some of the absolute vilest remarks that you could ever say about this situation in… Texas, the fact that it’s conservative, it’s a Christian camp, and there were all white kids there, and it’s the best thing that could ever happen would be to have all these white kids gone because eventually they’d all turn out to be racist anyway, so it’s a good thing they died. I’m repeating literally, Neil, some things that have been said from the left. It’s absolutely disgusting that anybody out there, period, nonetheless those on the left would say things along those lines. How ridiculous of a thing to say, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, well, that’s probably a prime example right there of how the Word of God is true when it says in Luke 6, you know, that out of the abundance of the heart, a man speaks. You know, you open your mouth, and eventually you’re going to say what’s in your heart, and that’s true. Prime example of what you’re seeing there. Those are ignorant comments. They’re uncalled for, and particularly during a time of crisis. Like, if you want to come out with these kind of statements, which I think are completely wrong, you know, a month or two later when all the final analysis is happening, John, they’re still looking for bodies. As a matter of fact, there’s an organization… There’s an organization headquartered in Tupelo, Mississippi, but they have a major office here and another one, I think, in Des Moines, Iowa. It’s called Eight Days of Hope, and it’s it’s the size of it’s a disaster release organization, the size of Samaritan’s Purse. So they get calls from FEMA all the time to go to places where, you know, they’re not a government organization, by the way, but they become so sophisticated and they do such a great job. that when there is a disaster, FEMA is calling them to say, hey, can you help out in Mississippi? There’s been tornadoes or whatever. So they’re planning to try to do something in response to all of this, bringing some of their heavy equipment to be able to move debris and other things. I mean, we’re talking major equipment, but they’re not getting the call just yet because the search is still underway for the bodies. And there’s so much confusion surrounding this. So for people to come out and start making claims that are just asinine, bottom line, And that they move forward their own political agenda, I think, is wrong and it shouldn’t be tolerated. Nobody should be listening to anybody that’s trying to, you know, make this into a climate change issue when it’s about the loss of human life. Let’s care about our fellow brothers and sisters.
SPEAKER 02 :
Agreed. One thing I want to add here before we go to our last break here in a moment is I do think this is also a reminder. For those of you that listen that are heads of organizations, churches, nonprofits, even businesses, if you haven’t reviewed any of your disaster plans, you should be. If you’re budgeting other things in place of potential warning systems or communication systems or whatever it might be – and I don’t know exactly everything that happened at this camp. I have a pretty good idea, and I’ve heard through different sources and have read different things whereby – they had the ability to do some upgrades on things, but chose to just keep doing it the way we’ve always done it. Which, by the way, Neil, you of all people know that is one of the worst things that happens in churches, in my opinion, or any organization for that matter, is we’ve always done it this way, so we’ll just keep doing it that way. No, folks, stuff changes. Better technology comes along. Better ways of doing things come along. And to have that mentality, this is my view, and you’re a previous pastor, so you can correct me if my thinking is wrong, but the Lord gives us You know, two eyes, two ears, nose, mouth, brain, all these different things, Neil, that we’re supposed to use. And when things come along that are better, and yet we’re going to come out and say we’ve always done it this way, why change? That is just stupid thinking, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s lazy. It’s lazy. And it’s an unwillingness, I think in many cases to trust God, because somebody might say, well, making that kind of change would cost us money. Well, but if the Lord is in it, if it is, you know, we walk by faith, not by sight and without faith, it’s impossible to please God. And I’m not just trying to throw out scripture to sound spiritual or something. What I’m saying is God has asked us to follow him in faith and to do the things he’s showing us to do. And if they look impossible, That’s okay. God is the God of the impossible, and we need to be willing to adjust and make changes accordingly and not just live by the status quo because it’s easier. That’s lazy Christianity, and we were never called to such a thing.
SPEAKER 02 :
I agree. So my point in all of this and some of the lessons that could be learned, and I know we’re kind of closing our time up for this first half, but It would be that if you’re in charge of any type of an organization, especially where you may be at a higher risk, you’re running a camp and you’re close to potential wildfires or there’s a river nearby or you have the potential for any kind of flash flooding or you’re in a tornado area or I can go down the list, Neil, of all the different things that can happen out there. I think this is a prime example of you need to be reviewing the plans that you have. You need to be figuring out exactly what it is you need to be doing if, in fact, something like this were to ever come along, and what is your plan to deal with that, and then make sure that it’s solid and review that periodically to make sure that if anything comes up that would make that plan better, you take advantage of that. So moving into pre-born, Neil, again, as I talked earlier, I cannot – I cannot say that I know what it’s like to have an abortion because I’m a man. I can also say that I don’t know what it’s like to even have somebody close to me that’s had one. What I can say is, like I said earlier, I’ve interviewed enough people to know what the after effects of those are, and despite what some on the left would say, in most cases, and Neil, you know this firsthand, in most cases there is great grief and despair that comes on ladies that have abortions. On top of that, you know, a life has been taken. Preborn is out there doing just the opposite of what the left wants you to do. They are an advocate, like we are, for life. They are not there to see the unborn killed. They want to see those babies come to term and be born and have, you know, grow up and to be, you know, great, productive Christian citizens and so on. And we can go down the list, and the reality is what preborn is doing is not only saving babies’ lives, but they are literally saving the lives of of mom as well you hear bob talk about that a lot fifteen thousand dollars buys an ultrasound machine a small donation will save a baby’s life what i will say is do whatever you can but always say put your money where your mouth is conservatives and support pre-born just go to crawfordmediagroup.net and do that there and then of course sunpower led one another one of our great sponsors neil and they do a great job for us
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and let me just comment on pre-born real quick. My wife does ultrasounds at a pro-life pregnancy center here in the Buffalo area. And when a woman sees the baby inside her womb, 80% chance she chooses life. It’s unbelievable. So support pre-born. And let me tell you about SunPower LED. Yesterday, we had Tom Kerber of Kerber Applied Research, the man behind this product, SunPower LED, on my program. And we were taking live calls and phone lines were absolutely jammed. One woman said that she had open heart surgery recently and was told it would be a two to three month recovery for her. She was up and around and feeling fine in four weeks. And the reason is that this technology uses the very light God created to energize the cells in the body to do what the cells were designed to do. Big pharma can’t cut it, and surgery isn’t always the answer. Sometimes we just need to rely on the body God gave us to heal us, and that’s made easier when the cells are energized to do what they were created to do. So I want you to check out what light therapy is all about from SunPowerLED. It’s also called photobiomodulation. That’s a big word. But go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED, And look at the videos. Check it out for yourself. See how it’s been used to deal with things like arthritis and wound care and surgical recovery and vision problems, dizziness, all kinds of issues. And if you use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10, you can get a unit for 10% off simply because you’re a listener to the roundtable. So CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Sun Power LED.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I’ll tell you, that stuff does work. Their products, whether you do a handheld unit, whether you do some of their other units, whatever you do, I will tell you right now, their products work. Use them. Use that promo code again for both of our sponsors, Preborn and SunPower. Just go to Crawford Media Group. And really quick, back to the Texas floods, just as a reminder. Yes, if you’ve been affected by any of that, our hearts, our thoughts, our prayers, they’re going out for all of you that are involved with that, and we just feel absolutely terrible about that. what’s happened. And again, I don’t have all the answers as we’ve said through this first half, but most importantly, just rely on the Lord and let him be your strength in this time of need. With that, that is the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is a Crawford Media Group production.
SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome back. Second half, National Crawford Roundtable. Appreciate you all listening. Myself, John Rush from Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason. Neil Boron with me today, Buffalo, New York. Neil Boron live. Bob Duco is not with us today. He’s out doing a big blood drive today. And we record this on Wednesday mornings. No secret there. Neil, let’s move into the Epstein list, and this is one that we may run out of time even talking about because there’s a lot of things here. I talked about this in depth on my program yesterday, and for all of you that maybe haven’t been watching the news, the DOJ, FBI… They have come out here in the last couple of days, and there is no list, quote-unquote. And we’ll get into maybe some of whether you believe that or not here in a minute. I had some very angry listeners yesterday along those lines, Neil. And I guess what I will start off with and say is this. Number one, don’t be angry. If you’re somebody that’s looking for the ultimate smoking gun and you feel like it’s because of some list that our party and our conservatism will somehow now be advanced, I’ll tell you straight up, you’re looking for the wrong thing. I said yesterday that, Neil, if we’re going to advance our agenda, the conservatism of what we believe in and so on, we need to do it by electing the right people, by continuing to work in the trenches, do those things necessary to make that happen. And none of us, I mean, none of us should be relying on a single list that might have somebody’s name on it as what might turn, you know, the country around or the party around. The reality is we need a revival. We need people to come back to the Lord. And that’s the real answer here at the end of the day, not some list. Now, with all that being said, Neil, I’m going to throw this to you. I guess my question to you is, do you think there actually was a list and is it being buried? Or what are your thoughts on all of this?
SPEAKER 03 :
Who knows? And probably remember the Bill Clinton statement, you know, it depends on the definition of what is, is or whatever, you know? So I I’m, I’m skeptical about the whole thing, but I do believe that there’s information we’re not being given what it is. Who knows? You know, you look at like cash, but tells the director of the FBI right now, he was involved in somewhat in this investigation, but in 2023, you know, In 2023, on a podcast, he said that this needs to be looked at and that it was being kept secret and kept from the American public, quote, because of who’s on that list. And then he went on to say, put on your big boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. Dan Bongino, his assistant, current assistant in the Trump administration, said in 2023. That Jeffrey Epstein story is a big deal. Please don’t let that story go. Keep your eye on it. Then you got Pam Bondi, of course, saying, I’ve got – well, I guess she claims that she didn’t say I’ve got the list on my desk. She said, I’ve got that stuff on my desk or I’ve got it on my desk. I’m going to be looking at it. So there’s an interpretation issue there. But either way – I’m just concerned about what some people refer to as the credibility gap, because, you know, look at Corinne Jean-Pierre, right, for years lying to us to our face about Biden’s, you know, mental acuity. Well, I’m not equating this directly, but I am saying. that what you say to the American public matters because people are going to check it out. They’re going to pursue it. And you’ve always got your conspiracy theorists that are at either end of the extreme. They’re, they’re either, you know, for you or against you, but there’s always the people out at the extremes. But I’m just saying when, when you make statements, even Trump said, you know, he’s going to seriously, I think it’s while he was running for president the second time is, is, you know, Trump 47, that he was saying things like, um, yeah, I’m thinking about releasing that list or I’m going to give a serious thought. You know, he gave the implication that, that that there would be information forthcoming and then all of a sudden to go oh you know we checked it out there’s nothing to see here folks go away well if there’s nothing to see then just release it all let’s redact the names of the victims take the names of the girls out and send out whatever you possibly can obviously there’s some pornographic videos apparently accompanying this but look you know john i was thinking i don’t mean to ramble here but let me just say real quick keep going you’re fine nbc a few years back might have been 15 years, I’m not even sure, but they had a show called To Catch a Predator. And if you remember that, but yes, I do get these guys, you know, some 23 year old guy who’s playing video games on his mom’s couch. But then he thinks he’s talking to a 13 year old girl and he’s going to go meet her at some motel in a different state or whatever. And he’s going to bring beer and the whole thing. So he shows up. And she says, hey, I’m getting ready in the bathroom. So come on in, have yourself a beer. I’ll be out to meet you in a second. He walks in. But instead of a teenage girl coming out of the bathroom, it’s like an FBI agent or it’s law enforcement of some kind. Or maybe it was just network exec network reporters, you know, all of a sudden exposing this guy live on the air. And I actually remember seeing an episode where a guy was standing there buck naked with a six pack in front of him, trying to explain that he was only going to have a conversation with the girl. He wasn’t attending sex, whatever. My point is there was like immediate exposure on that stuff. It was immediate. You were seeing the face of the guy and they would always blur out anybody who didn’t matter in that scenario. Well, if there are people that were on that island and they know about it, or how about the flight log? What about the flight log? Does it matter if we see that? there’s more information that can be released. And the fact that it’s not being released, my biggest concern is maybe there’s nothing there. Okay, maybe there’s nothing there, but it just leads to speculation. And then people start running away with their thoughts thinking, oh, well, I wonder who’s, is Trump on that list? Who else is on the list? Why are they hiding the information from us? And my biggest concern ultimately is that it’s going to affect us in the midterms. That when the midterms roll around, they’re going to say, you’re no better than the legacy media who lied to us about Biden. You’re lying to us. And we don’t believe you, so we’ll go vote for Musk and his new party or something. Anyway, I just think it’s going to hurt if they can’t do a better job of helping people believe what they’re saying in the first place. I just think it’s a really bad scenario.
SPEAKER 02 :
All of that well said. Don’t know that I can – disagree with that. I think the only thing I would disagree with is I think it’s far enough away from the midterms that I don’t see that having any real effect, to be honest with you. And I’ve also been one to say that for all of those folks that thought that there would be some sort of a smoking gun there that would somehow put people behind bars, yeah, no. If that’s what you were thinking you were hoping for, wasn’t going to happen. I’ve said that on my program numerous times, by the way, Neil, just isn’t going to happen. Again, if you’re putting all of your faith into a list hoping that it’s going to somehow advance the agenda of our side of the aisle, that’s very wishful thinking on your part because that’s just Not going to happen. Now, with all of what you said, Neil, the thing I guess I would come back to would be, I think, and something we can talk more about after we do our break here in a moment, but I feel like one of the mistakes that people make, Trump included, in this case, maybe even Patel and Bongino. Bongino had his own show, by the way. And I do feel like sometimes the collective… from our side of the aisle, when some of these things start out, you know, where’s the list? There’s got to be a list. There’s got to be something that shows all these people that went in and out of the island and the logs and all these different things. And so I think at times, Neil, it sort of gets this idea pushed that these things exist When in fact, maybe they never existed from the beginning. And I’ve said this before on my program, and I’ll say it again. If I were Epstein, why would I have a list? If I knew that all of these rich billionaires that I was relying on my paycheck from thought for a second that I had a list I could blackmail them with, I doubt if they would keep coming with me. So I’m kind of coming back on the other side of the aisle saying, was there ever really a list in the first place? And I would question whether there was, because common sense tells me there shouldn’t be.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and you’re probably right. I mean, who knows? You could be 100% right. But then the question would be, why ever imply that there is information forthcoming?
SPEAKER 02 :
Because I think that, Neil, personally, I think some of that came from our side as much as it did from anywhere. It’s one of the things we can come back to and talk about here in a moment. Before we continue, though, let’s talk about SunPower LED. I’ll throw that to you really quick before we come back and start delving into that. Go ahead.
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Absolutely. Preborn, again, as I said during the first half, advocating for the lives of the baby that are inside of the womb. They do that by showing mom ultrasound images. In fact, sometimes it could be mom and dad. It’s not always just… mom, Neil, as you know, and the reality is Planned Parenthood and a lot of the other folk on the other side of the aisle will not show those images. They don’t want mom seeing what that baby actually looks like inside the womb, because when they do, it literally can change the outcome of what that mom is thinking about at that point in time. So preborn uses those images. They use it in such a way that it gives mom a lot of education on what’s actually happening inside of her womb, inside of her body. and the fact that there is a growing baby inside of that womb. And she, in a lot of cases, will decide to keep that baby to term. And depending upon the circumstances, you know, that baby can be born, stay in the family, can be adopted. There’s all sorts of things that can happen ultimately. We’re providing and bringing life into the world, if you would, instead of the alternative, which is what the other side would rather have you do. This is literally a good versus evil. I believe that sincerely. Preborn is on the side of good. They want to save babies’ lives, but they can’t do that themselves. They have to have us helping. It’s because of our great donations that they’re able to do that. the things that they do. So donate today. Just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Look for Preborn right there. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Look for Preborn. Give and do that as much as you possibly can. If you can even do a monthly donation, that really helps. And again, both of our sponsors, just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Going back to the Epstein potential list, I always say potential because, Neil, I’m not on the inside. I don’t know what was in all of these documents. I don’t know what kinds of lists were out. Back to your comment about was Trump or anybody like that on the list. This is one thing I can guarantee you. This one, I would bet a million bucks on. If Donald Trump or any other high-ranking Republican was on said list, and maybe I’m wrong in this, but I don’t think I am, Neil. If Donald Trump especially was on that list, that list would have been leaked out prior to the last election doing whatever they possibly could to damage Donald Trump. I believe that with my entire being. So my feeling is if there is anybody like that on a list, that list would have been leaked out for that reason and that reason only.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I think I agree with you on that. Tucker Carlson has his show, you know, and I was watching a segment. I don’t agree with everything he says, but it was intriguing what he was making a claim about regarding this very thing. And he said, you know, the idea that they’re not releasing all the information immediately raises speculation. Well, who are they trying to protect? And the first thought is, could it be Donald Trump? For all the reasons you just described, I think you’re probably right. And his conclusion was, I know this man. I know the president. That doesn’t mean anything. Everybody could have a double life. But I just don’t think that it really makes sense that Donald Trump is the person that they’re trying to hide or whatever. But then he made a really compelling statement because he said, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was this – He was an accountant, really. He worked for a pretty prestigious firm, but he ended up being essentially involved in helping with money laundering. At least it’s believed that that was part of what he was doing for multinational corporations and weapons dealers and stuff. And he said he believes that maybe what this could potentially reveal is some of the key contacts, confidants, whatever, that are involved in the intelligence community, and that ultimately there’s like worldwide implications. Now, is that just fanciful thinking? Is it just good podcast material? I don’t know, but… There clearly is a reason why this thing was halted. And Donald Trump, you know, himself, yesterday in a press conference, somebody started asking about Epstein. And he said, I can’t believe you’re asking a question on Epstein at a time like this when we’re having some of the greatest success ever. And also the tragedy that happened in Texas, it just seems like a desecration. So he shut the whole thing down, and Carlson and whoever was on with him kind of went on to argue that that’s also a signal to those who would be fearful about releasing all the information. There will be no more information forthcoming. We’re shutting this thing down. Whatever it costs us, we’re moving along. I don’t know what all that means, but I do believe, John, that it isn’t just that, okay, we went to work today, we punched in, we checked out all the documents, we found nothing, and okay, we’re going to close up and move on to the next investigation because there’s actually nothing here. I do think there’s something more to the story that we don’t know. Maybe it’ll come out in the end, maybe not, but it just feels awkward the way this whole thing has played out.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I come from the other side, and maybe it’s just because I’m so anti-conspiracy things, and I’m really anti-group think when it comes to how some of these things get started and rolling. And let me give you another example, and I know people are going to be mad at me for saying this. Do I think there’s… election tampering in every election. Absolutely. Men are sinful. They want to win at all costs. There’s been election tampering, Neil, probably in every election since the beginning of elections. And I mean that with 100%. I’m not trying to make light of anything, but men are evil. They do evil things. And if you think you can steal something away by doing something nefarious, then that’s exactly what men will do. So do I believe there’s ever been honest and fair election ever. No, Neil, there’s things that happen in every election, no matter what. Now, do I think, was there some real anomalies and things that were going on in the 2020 election that you just have to shake your head at and say, okay, none of this really makes sense at the The example I’m giving is when you look at all of the folks that jumped on the whole, you know, Dominion machines and all of the, you know, potential changing of ballots and on and on and on. I mean, it got to the point where, and I hate to say this, but it got to the point where there were all sorts of folks claiming all sorts of things happened that to this day, Neil, and I know there’s going to be people mad at me for saying this, but to this day have yet to be proven. There’s lots of speculation about what could have happened and, what might have happened with some of those machines but Neil you know some what six years later almost now we’ve gotten to the point where there’s been no proof of any of that and yet that is still the narrative of a lot of individuals so I’m kind of coming back to the whole Epstein thing along those same lines was there really ever a list or is it just something that people put in their mind thinking that would be their ultimate savior quote-unquote and is that the bandwagon they got on and they won’t jump off of
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And this is all these what if kind of stuff. But, you know, like if you’re if you’re talking about this a few months ago when Dan Bongino wasn’t in the FBI, Kash Patel wasn’t heading the FBI, but they were saying these things prior to the election. Then you’re like, well, maybe there’s something to it. I hope these guys get in office and in power and then they can reveal all this stuff to us. Well, they are in office and they are in power and they’re choosing not to reveal stuff to us or there’s actually nothing there, like you’re saying. And, you know, going back to what was her name? Sidney Powell. I can’t remember her name exactly. But the woman that was charged with she was she kept saying, oh, you know, we’ve got all the evidence that these Dominion voting machines are rigged. And we’re going to start, you know, tomorrow at four o’clock. We’re going to tell you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Release the Kraken. We’re going to release the Kraken, Neil.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, next week, Wednesday, we’re going to know next month on the 10th. We’re going to tell you that she kept moving the date out and there was never any information forthcoming, which means that she was full of baloney is what it was. There was nothing to all of that. And I’ll probably get in trouble, too, because there’s probably some people still clinging to the reality that the Dominion voting machines were rigged. Well, if so, where’s the evidence? How come nobody… Now, right under the Trump administration, you could just immediately release that information if it was available. Bottom line is we focus on this stuff and give it way too much importance in the end. Are people sinful? Yes. And do bad things happen? Absolutely. And they need to be revealed, you know, when they need to be revealed. But simply our bias, in other words… Everything the Biden administration did was bad and we can prove it. And we’ve got all this information. We’re going to prove it. And everything that happens under the Trump administration is rosy red. It’s beautiful. It’s good. Nothing bad could happen there. What are you talking about? There are multi billionaires working in various ways to influence, you know, tax reform. policies and whatever. There’s stuff going on out there that isn’t all pleasing to God. And let’s just remember that we live in a fallen world. John, you know, you mentioned the word sin. I just want to say before we close, I know that we’ve got some time here, but before we close, promise me that we can pray for the victims of the flooding in Texas. We talked about that earlier. And for the young girls, who were sexually abused in this case with Epstein. Because we can talk all day long about the list and about whether or not somebody’s reputation is going to be ruined because they were with a teenage girl. But the fact is, some of these people were with teenage girls. They were with children, and those children were abused. So let’s pray for the victims. In fact, let’s do it right now so that we don’t- Yeah, go right ahead.
SPEAKER 02 :
Perfect timing, Neil. Go ahead.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. Yeah, Lord, it seems strange in the middle here to just jump in and do this, but John was right. I mean, we live in a sinful and fallen world, and there’s corruption everywhere. The heart of man is deceitful above all else. It’s desperately wicked. Who can know it? Well, you know the hearts of mankind, and Lord, we have turned to you for forgiveness and healing because we need to be set free from our own sinful passion and desires, and because of the blood that was shed at Calvary, we have the ability to say yes to you and to walk in obedience to you. God, we’re not perfect. And in the ways where we still stumble and fall, I pray that we would be humble enough to turn to you and to confess those sins and to ask for assistance in becoming more like Jesus every day. Lord, I just want to pray for those who are affected by the fall in having to deal with this flood in Texas. Families, real families who lost Loved ones, some are still searching for loved ones, Lord. And I can’t even imagine what that’s like for a parent who sent their child to summer camp hoping that maybe they’d meet Jesus or have a wonderful time with their friends and grow in relationship with one another. And they don’t even know where their child is today or they’ve been informed their child is dead. Lord, that’s so heartbreaking. And I just pray your comfort would surround them, that your presence would be there and that the church of Jesus Christ would rise up and show the true love that’s available in you to those who are hurting. May the church lead in this process of bringing help and healing to those affected. And for these young girls, Lord, who were suckered into this Epstein thing, we don’t know all the details of how it happened or who was there and who did what. But one thing we do know is that young girls were sexually abused. I pray for supernatural healing for them. And I want to remember them, Lord, and know that a crime was committed against them. And you were aware of it. You were aware of it. And you’re the God who makes all things right. So we pray for truth to emerge and for your comfort and peace to rest on every one of these girls whose lives have been so clearly affected by this. Lord, we don’t want to leave them out of the equation. So minister your grace, your love, your comfort in Jesus name. Amen.
SPEAKER 02 :
Appreciate that, Neil. And yeah, and I want to make sure I’m clear on this, that, you know, Neil, to your point, yes, there were victims in this particular case, and it would be great to bring those particular individuals to justice. Although I think that it’s really important for folks to remember that where these things happened was not on U.S. soil. So, and I could be wrong in that, but to my knowledge, this would be more of a out-of-the-country situation, Neal, meaning that, you know, what people might think should happen, it may be a totally different situation given where these actual events took place because they weren’t here before. on U.S. soil. Now, with all that being said, was there a list? Wasn’t there a list? I don’t know. I do know that I had some folks that called into the program yesterday, Neil, that are becoming, quote-unquote, disenfranchised with Trump and disappointed in the MAGA movement and all of this. And the one thing that I did say to this particular caller, and I’ll say it again, is If you’re putting all of your faith and what you’re relying on in the future of not only yourself but this country into a movement or a man, shame on you. The reality is there is a whole lot more going on in the world than just what’s happening with a movement politically speaking. And if that’s what you’re basing your entire existence on and whether you’re going to support somebody or not, Neil, I’m sorry to say, but I feel sorry for you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and these things matter, and in some sense they’re important, and maybe even very important. But Jesus said right before he ascended to heaven, go and make disciples of all nations. And that’s the mandate he gave to those of us who know and love Jesus Christ, is to make other followers of Jesus and teach them to obey all the things that Christ commanded. That’s our foremost priority, and if we’re spending all of our time complaining about what is or isn’t happening with the Trump administration, I think we’re misguided on that, John.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. And that’s my point with all of this Epstein thing is, number one, if you’re somebody out there hoping for a list to be released, and you can keep hoping, that’s all fine and dandy. I don’t think it’s going to be at this point. Was there a list? Wasn’t there a list? I do think some of those things, as time goes by, Neil. will come out. And again, I’ve kind of stated my position on this throughout the podcast. I questioned whether there was a list even early on knowing how things leak. My engineer, Charlie Grimes, has a great saying, Neil. Two words, people talk. In other words, very few things are ever kept secret. I don’t care what kind of an organization you’re in. I don’t care if you’re in government. Yes, I get it. There might be some high security folk that don’t let things out when it comes to certain things that we do, i.e., you know, our nuclear weapons and so on. But, you know, when it comes to things like this, Neil, people talk and people know that if they can get their name out in a headline, whether it’s a tabloid or whatever, and they can do that because of releasing something out, you know, being that mole, if you would, that’s exactly what they’re going to do. So I still keep coming back to the fact that nothing has ever been leaked up to this point, meaning I am one, and I’ll stand by this, I just don’t think there’s a list.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, my mom used to say, be sure your sin will find you out. I know that’s true in my life. I got caught doing everything I was trying to get away with. And we need to pray that the truth would emerge. And I think relax until it does. We don’t need to be stressing out that God will reveal the truth. And let me tell you something else that’s true real quick. And that is that if an opera singer hits a particular note with the right resonance and sustains that note, She or he can pop a champagne glass. Why? Because sound waves have power. Well, guess what? Light waves have power as well and can be used to energize the cells in our body to help heal our body, reduce pain and swelling and promote healing. And it all happens as a result of the very light God himself created. This isn’t big pharma. It’s not some huge medical organization. It’s a gentleman named Tom Kerber of Kerber USA and Kerber Applied Research, who’s helped develop a product called SunPower LED. It provides photobiomodulation or light therapy to get into the cells and energize the cells to heal our bodies. And the results have been astounding. people experiencing deliverance from tinnitus and arthritis pain and migraines and epilepsy and all kinds of things. Check it out for yourself at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And by the way, he’s offering a special for anybody that listens to the roundtable here. Use the promo code Roundtable10, just one zero, Roundtable10. You’ll get 10% off any purchase from SunPowerLED by going to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, which is also where you’ll find our sponsor, Preborn.
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