In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast the guys talk about the use of the National Guard to fight crime in DC: was the move necessary? Do voters support the action? Is mobilizing the National Guard in this case “overreach”? They also discuss Russiagate: will it go anywhere? What are the odds we ever see anyone like Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton or James Comey in jail? We also look at Court Packing in response to Trump’s support for “redistricting” and liberal Lefty James Carville’s claims that it may be the only way to “save democracy” long term.
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Well, good to have you with us on this week’s edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. my name is neil i’m the host of neil boron live on wdcx radio in buffalo new york my colleagues bob duco of the bob duco show wmuz in detroit michigan and john rush host of rush to reason on klz in denver are with us as well for today’s conversation. So the whole gang is in the house. Nobody’s on injured reserve. You know, we got the whole team right now. So this is awesome and grateful that you guys can be with us. There’s only a couple of things in the news these days. You know, what’s amazing is that when you go to figure out what we’re going to talk about on the round table, it’s like, where do you where do you draw the lines? There’s so much stuff happening every single day. Social media, I’m sure, has something to do with it, but just so many different headlines grabbing attention. And a little bit later on today, we’re going to touch on some things. Obviously, what’s happening with Russia and Ukraine, the big summit that’s scheduled, we’ll get to that. Might touch on Russiagate just a little bit and a couple of other issues. But I want to start out today talking about what’s happening in D.C. Democrats aren’t happy that President Trump has called out the National Guard to help you know, quell violence and murder and things that are happening on the streets of our nation’s capital. And he’s got the ability to do that because it’s not a state. He doesn’t run into governors or governorships or anything like that when dealing with the National Guard in the District of Columbia. That might be an issue in other places. We can talk about it. But just wanted to get some feedback from you guys. The left is not happy that Donald Trump is kind of calling them out for the chaos that’s happening on the streets in the nation’s capital. Now, some liberals dispute that and they go, oh, no, crime rates are way down in D.C. I don’t know what he’s doing. This is just a show of power on the part of the president, whatever. But let me start with you, Bob, in Detroit. And if you could give us your opinion of what you see happening there by Donald Trump calling in the National Guard to help handle violence on the streets of our nation’s capital.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think he’s absolutely right to do it. And you’ve got to remember that this isn’t about Donald Trump trying to seize power and control from the White House. This is about protecting American citizens. The citizens of Washington, D.C., which, by the way, are overwhelmingly demographically minority, you know what? They want to live in peace. And they shouldn’t have to have their city… be more crime-ridden than Bogota, Colombia. If Washington, D.C. were a state, then it would literally have a higher crime rate per capita than any of the other 50 states. Well, it ought not be that way. The crime rate, even after they say, oh, but it’s come down in the last year, it fluctuates up and down, but it fluctuates up and down in the stratosphere. So right now, The crime rate in Washington, D.C. is six times higher than it is in New York. So what, are you going to brag about that? Because, well, it was seven times higher. I mean, come on. So, no, he’s absolutely right to do this. It’s protecting the citizens of Washington, D.C. But it’s not just that. Washington, D.C. should be a tourist hub for Americans all over the country. They should want to go to Washington, D.C. on vacation and take the kids so they can go to the Smithsonian and look at all the sites in Washington, D.C. And a lot of families are afraid to because they don’t want to. Why would you go? Would you go on vacation in Bogota, Colombia? Well, no, because look at the crime there. Hey, Washington, D.C.’ ‘s worse. So he’s right to do this, and he’s on solid legal ground in this as well to do this. The Home Rule Act of 1973 makes it clear. that the federal, actually our founders originally wanted Washington, D.C. to not be a state and to be under federal control. And so really this is something, it’s within his jurisdiction. Notice you don’t even have Muriel Bowser in those saying, well, I’m going to sue because I can’t do this. Constitutionally, he has the authority to do this. And I would say he’d be derelict if he just turned a blind eye to all the crime going on. So no, this is the right thing. I totally support it.
SPEAKER 01 :
john what are your thoughts about what’s happening in dc same well within his right to do so bob’s numbers are you know right in there i’ll add a couple of numbers too that the actual you know homicide rate is four times that of the national average and you know salt with a deadly weapon uh there’s two per day i mean you just go down the list of the things that are happening there and it needs cleaned up i mean i think one of the things that donald trump said which i which i think this has been needed for decades now even under some of the past republican presidents that have been there i remember visiting uh washington dc taking the kids all out there doing all the things bob just talked about under you know republican uh presidents and still thinking to myself And alive. Can’t you guys, you know, green the grass up and mow the lawns and do some things to really make this thing look great? And you’ve got tourists coming from all over the world. Why does this place not look better than what is we spend all this money all over everywhere else? Why can’t we make, you know, the the what Trump calls the the doorway to the country? You know, why can’t we make the front door to the country? Why can’t we make this thing look better than it is right now? And the reality is it needs to. It is the front door to the country when tourists come here. And there’s no reason why it looks the way and behaves the way that it does right now. It’s ridiculous.
SPEAKER 03 :
Trump is right when he said it’s embarrassing. He said he’s meeting with Putin, you know, in Alaska. But it’s like, you know, foreign leaders come here and shouldn’t be embarrassed like this. This is supposed to be our capital. Yeah, exactly.
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What do you make of the Democrat reaction to it? There’s been some real pushback, a lot of eye rolling, of course. And then it just seems like it doesn’t matter what President Trump does, anything he decides they’re going to disagree with. How in the world do you disagree with making the nation’s capital safer, right? Bringing in the National Guard, he’s perfectly able to do that. Why wouldn’t that be welcomed? John, you got an opinion on that?
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Yeah, these are the same individuals, by the way, that are talking about, you know, this is just going to lead to martial law. And, you know, he’s just ruling with an iron fist and so on. These are the same people that locked the entire country down during COVID. Let’s remind everybody of that, too, by the way. So the reality is these people are loons, absolute loons. They’re so such hypocrites. It’s ridiculous. And I say it all the time. Folks on the left are mentally ill. What else can I say?
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Bob? Can you share what’s really on your mind, Sean? Would you mind doing that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay. But really, and I hate to say this, but the Democratic Party right now stands for one thing. We oppose Trump and anything that he does. That’s right. So this is the… But by the way, they’ve been like this for a long time. Even the border wall issue. Okay. Everybody remember that the The Democrats used to be for a border wall. Trump, when he first got in office for his first term, he didn’t try to start a border wall from scratch. He tried to complete the border wall that was already partially done. Who funded that border wall? It was the Democrats originally. Then as soon as Trump made that his issue, then the Democrats suddenly went 180 degrees and said, oh, build bridges, not walls, and that’s so evil. This is what they do. I’ve said it countless times. Donald Trump could cure cancer and they’d blame him for putting oncologists out of business. He could get world peace and they’d blame him for putting soldiers out of business. The thing is that there’s nothing Donald Trump can do that they’re not going to seize on and try to claim is somehow wrong and evil and whatever. He’s cleaning up the streets and protecting the citizens of Washington, D.C. I There were 23 arrests on the first day. And these included people wanted for murder, for carjacking, for other violent crimes. They’re off the streets. And that’s just day one. This is not a bad thing at all. It’s Donald Trump is evil. Donald Trump is racist. Anything he does, we’re going to look at through that lens. And the mainstream media, the propaganda arm for the Democrat Party, just feels that. The state-run media for the Democrats. I hate to say it.
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Well, for sure, D.C. isn’t the only city in America with crime problems. We’ll talk more about that in a minute. But it is the only city in America where he’s got direct jurisdiction because of the fact it’s not a state. So more to come on that in just a moment. But I just want to talk to those of you who have tinnitus or suffer with tinnitus. Because it’s kind of a depressing situation to have tinnitus and not know how to get rid of it. Some people have it for years with no relief whatsoever. Well, one of our major sponsors that makes the Roundtable possible are our friends at SunPower LED, where they utilize the very light God himself created, harness certain wavelengths of that light, red and near-infrared light, to be able to penetrate the human body, get deep into the cells and excite the mitochondria to do what the mitochondria in our cells were designed to do. And ultimately, the cell starts working properly and can help heal the human body. So joint pain, things related to confusion or even the response people have sometimes, young people especially have to autism, some of the behavioral issues, surgical recovery, wound care, all of these different things have been affected positively. But on top of it now, they’re learning that tinnitus has been dealt with effectively using red light therapy from SunPower LED. And let me give you a hint. If you use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10, When you order a unit from SunPower LED, you get a 10% discount just because you’re a listener to the roundtable. Learn all about it by visiting CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on SunPower LED and learn what red light therapy can do for you, including helping to deal with the tinnitus that you’ve been suffering with for so long. And they’re just one of our sponsors, Bob. Thank God for our friends at Preborn doing such an incredible job protecting human lives.
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Yeah, absolutely. Crawford Media Group dot net. You can find our sponsors there and, of course, let our sponsors know that you listen to the National Crawford Roundtable. So we’re talking about. to begin today’s podcast talking about the national guard being called into the nation’s capital to deal with violence there but as i mentioned before the break it isn’t the only city in america that’s got problems with violence and chaos the president literally mentioned chicago los angeles new york city baltimore and oakland as five other examples of cities that are also bad he said very bad And he started by saying, of course, we’re going to take back our capital and then we’ll look at some other cities also, which raised some eyebrows because obviously he’s got very different situation regarding jurisdiction in those other cities because they’re in states that are ruled by governors who have say over the National Guard and their involvement in helping to quell violence. Now, we saw this thing happen in Los Angeles not long ago. regarding ICE and the arrests that were going on there. And, of course, the National Guard was called in in that circumstance. And there are certain situations where the president has authority to do so. But basically he’s saying, look, if you’re one of the mayors in one of these cities, you better self-clean up or else. We’re watching this. And he went on to issue an executive order that apparently – directs Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to coordinate with state governors and authorize the orders of any additional members of the National Guard to active service as he deems necessary and appropriate to augment this mission. Will he do so? Is he going to cross that line? I don’t know, but let’s talk about that for a minute because involving other cities, very different thing from just dealing with the District of Columbia. So on this one, I don’t know. Let’s start with John, maybe. John, what are your thoughts about Trump eyeing other cities and moving in that direction?
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I think what he would have to do, and I’ve looked this a little bit, A, I don’t think the National Guard response would be well received. So personally, I would recommend if I was near him on his staff, I would recommend not going down that path. But given the fact that we control the House and really the Senate and we control the purse, he can’t unilaterally withhold federal funds from cities, for example, some of these large Democrat cities that get federal funding in all sorts of ways, by the way. He can’t just unilaterally with a pen stroke remove those funds. I mean, I guess he could, but there’s going to be lawsuits over and he’d likely lose. But what he can do is he can run that through Congress and then get approval that way to actually have that done. So he gets enough people on his team. that would actually push some of that through, to me, that would be the approach to take. And I think even just the threat in some of these cases with some of these cities that, listen, we’re not going to really go to battle here. We’re not going to just target one city. We’re going to target a lot of cities. And if you guys don’t meet X benchmarks in whatever it is, homelessness, crime, we can go down the list of things that they would have to have a benchmark for. And if they don’t meet those things, we’re going to remove federal funding from your cities, from your tax dollars. I mean, right now, Colorado’s in a real… budgetary pinch right now because of the way Colorado follows federal law when it comes to taxation and all of that. So the reality is because of the big, beautiful bill, some of our taxes in the state are not going to come in because of the restructuring of just income tax in general. So the reality is we’re really behind right now. So there’s a special session going on right now trying to figure out how to handle that depletion of federal funds. Trust me, that’s a huge eye opener. And I think that would be given that some of the states like Colorado are having to do this right now. I think the funding sides of things would be the tool to use to go after these cities. That’s my opinion.
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And real quick, before we get Bob’s thought on that, I’m just curious, because it crossed my mind. I mean, every one of the cities that he mentioned are Democrat led cities in blue states. So was this really more about caring about the violence on the street or taking a swipe at Democrat policy that leads to this kind of chaos on the streets?
SPEAKER 01 :
you know was it politically expedient or what is it what’s right for the people that live in these i think i mean i hate to say this but it’s both i mean if you care about the people and you care about wanting to make sure their quality of life is improved no effect no offense for all of you listening it’s going to affect blue cities because those are the ones where things are rampant because of their and it’s it’s a marks by the way for everybody listening this is all by design these guys just don’t by happenstance run these cities this way this is the marxist playbook on how you run a city what you do how you create chaos and so on this is all part of Of the playbook, if you would, at the end of the day, Donald Trump is trying to stop that, whether it’s for the people, whether it’s because he wants to start, you know, stop the Marxist revolution. I mean, at the end of the day, Neil, I don’t really care what his motives are. Let’s just get it stopped one way or the other.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Bob, your thoughts on all of this, because obviously D.C. is a different animal from some of the other cities he’s mentioning.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, it’s interesting. Usually I’m the guy who says, you know, plow forward straight ahead. You know, you go you go 10 miles. OK, then you plow through 100 miles and not show the restraint. But in this particular case, I actually think it would be more politically expedient and shrewd for them not to try to go into other cities, even with congressional approval. And here’s why I say that. You look at the border right now. One of the things that Trump has been able to prove is that, hey, guess what? We were right. The Democrats were wrong. You really can close up the border and stop millions of illegals from flooding over here and slow down the crime and the drugs and everything else if we just enforce the laws, right? He’s already proven that. I think that they ought to take Washington, D.C. as kind of a, I don’t know, a benchmark for the rest of the country. And just focus on D.C., clean up D.C., get the crime down dramatically in D.C., then start showing the statistics and let people see around the country that here’s how much murders have gone down. Here’s how much car jacksons have gone down. Here’s how much whatever. This is what happens when you have law and order instead of Democrat policies. And then use that, use the successes that are anticipated in Washington, D.C., to basically say now to other cities around the country, big cities around the country, Voters, are you going to learn from this? Your cities are not safe because of the Democrats. You keep voting into power. You need to start looking to Republicans who are tougher on crime. Wouldn’t you like to live in a safer community? What happened here in Washington, D.C.? ? can happen in your own community if you would just stop electing these same Democrats to be in charge. So I say put all your effort into Washington, D.C., turn it into a showplace, and then use that politically to try to change the vote in some of these bigger cities around the country.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think you’re right about that. And I would love to see a greater sense of law and order and see the American people protected in other cities. John, you’re right. I think it’s Marxist ideology that leads to cities being run this way. Yeah, so bottom line, let’s show them what… you know, adhering to the law and order playbook can do for our nation. Because obviously when it’s, so you guys mentioned the border, there was no new laws passed to help crack down on the border. They simply enforced the laws that were on the books and look at what happened. They’ve, you know, slowed it to a trickle and they say that it’s completely dealt with. Maybe some guy snuck across the border somewhere, but either way, it’s been shut down. Simply by enforcing the law. And I think the American people ultimately want to see that kind of thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, Neil, can I just say in Washington, D.C., this is something that the Trump administration should be touting as well. You know something? We’re not creating any new laws and we’re not violating them. We’re actually just enforcing the laws that are supposed to be enforced. And people like Jeanine Pirro saying, you know what, we’re not going to dismiss 70 percent of the cases that we arrest people on. We are going to prosecute people and stop the revolving door. So it’s enforcing the existing laws. That’s all that Republicans are asking Democrats to do.
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Well, just real quick, I mean, I don’t want to belabor this, but I want to just change the subject real quick before the break here. And, you know, with what happened with the 2020 census and the idea that the numbers were inflated on both sides of the equation, you ended up with a situation where the Republican Party finally said, listen, We need accurate numbers regarding the census. We want to redistrict some of these districts and potentially secure some house seats for us in future elections, simply because, you know, we were dealing with inaccurate census data. Well, that enrages everything Donald Trump does, enrages the left and Democrat strategist James Carville. I didn’t know that guy was still alive, actually. He doesn’t look like he is. Let’s just say that. But he’s coming after this potential move in Texas to redistrict and other states that are targeted as well for redistricting. Saying, look, if we get control of the White House and the Senate and the House in the future, here’s what we’re talking about doing, and that’s adding Puerto Rico and D.C. estates. We’ve heard that before. And then let’s expand the Supreme Court to 11 or more likely 13 justices. Not surprising that you hear that kind of rhetoric. Will it happen? I don’t know. But I just wanted to get some quick feedback, maybe a minute and a half from each of you. So, John, if you don’t mind, real quick, tell us about your thoughts regarding Carville’s comments and the idea that this is ultimately what the left would love to do.
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No doubt that’s what they’ll do. And by the way, I think they’ll do that, what you’re talking about, Neil. They’re going to try that no matter what happens when it comes to redistricting in Texas. It’s just part of their playbook. They’re going to do these things regardless of what happens on our side of the aisle. And I mean that sincerely. This threat, if you would, that threat is there all the time. They’re going to do these things no matter what. My feeling on Texas is, and maybe I’m out of line here, but If we don’t get something done in Texas and if they don’t get this redistricting done to where it gives us an advantage, which I believe it would it would give us a heavy advantage in Texas, because I’ve said this for years, we lose Texas, we’re done. You’re never going to have another R in the presidency ever in the future if you if you lose Texas. So, frankly, I think as Republicans and conservatives, we need to do whatever we possibly can that’s within our power to keep Texas.
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OK, Bob, got about a minute from you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. You know what? I’m with John on this. First of all, it cracks me up to see the Democrats having such a cow over things like gerrymandering. They wrote the book on this. They are the masters at it. All they’re doing in Texas is trying to catch up and play the same game Democrats play all the time. You know, talk about disenfranchising voters. Okay. Do you know that there are a few states, Democrat blue states like Connecticut, like Massachusetts, like New Mexico, a few others that where Republicans accounted for anywhere from 44 to 46 percent of the vote, Trump voters. However, those Democrat blue states have zero, zero Republican congressional districts. So you’ve got nearly half of the voters disenfranchised in these Democrat states because of gerrymandering. and creating these kinds of weird Picasso-shaped congressional districts. So they do this already. In Texas, you will still have, even with the redistricting, you’ll still have at least 20% representation for Democrats in the state of Texas. That’s a whole lot better than 0% for Republicans in a lot of the blue states. So Democrats are masters at this. Republicans are merely playing catch-up and saying, hey, let us try to do it too.
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Absolutely. And as we get ready to launch into the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, we’re going to be looking at what probably is the biggest news story right now in the world. And if not, it will be by Friday. And that is that President Trump will be meeting with Russian leader Vladimir Putin regarding the Russia-Ukraine controversy, which has drug on now for some three years. So we’re going to get to that on the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. With John Rush of Rush to Reason on KLZ in Denver, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show, WMUZ in Detroit. It’s Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live on WPCX in Buffalo, saying join us as we continue with the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast.
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Welcome to the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. My name is Neil Boron, host of Neil Boron Live on WDCX in Buffalo, New York, joined by my friends and colleagues, John Rush, host of Rush to Reason, KLZ in Denver, and Bob Duco of the Bob Duco Show on WMUZ in Detroit, Michigan. We get together once a week, record a podcast here on Wednesday mornings talking about the news that’s going on in the world. And when we have the opportunity, Try to look at these things from a biblical perspective and take a look at what God’s word might say about some of the issues that are facing our world and facing our nation. Obviously, war is a reality that human beings have dealt with throughout almost all of human history. And there’s been a lot of concern about where the Russia-Ukraine war is. is headed and is there a future end to this thing anywhere in sight donald trump i want to say thought he could end this war in 24 hours that hasn’t happened but he’s still a player in the game and he’s going to be meeting with russian leader vladimir putin on friday allegedly the ukrainian leader zielinski vladimir zielinski is not invited to the meeting but will be you know conferenced in at some point or at least made aware of what’s going on uh via telephone or some kind of an electronic hookup So who knows where all this goes, but this big summit is looming, and I feel in my own heart that maybe Donald Trump’s in danger of getting played by Vladimir Putin. I only say that because he’s a KGB agent or was. After all, I think he probably still is in some regard. You know, doesn’t want to get pushed around. He’s very coy. He’s a master at manipulating people. So where all this goes, I don’t know. But the hope is that following this meeting, we can see some kind of agreement or an end, you know, resolve to end this thing soon between Russia and Ukraine, because hundreds of thousands of people have died and there’s no end in sight. So I wanted to, you know, this is probably the biggest news that we’re going to deal with today. I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to respond to what’s going on and share your own thoughts. So let’s start with Bob Duco on WMUZ in Detroit. Bob, your thoughts about this potential meeting this weekend?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, first, let me say that with Donald Trump, I mean, everybody’s got strengths and weaknesses. We know that. All right. But Donald Trump, when it comes to high stakes negotiations with powerful, sharp people that are confident and aggressive and whatever, this is Donald Trump’s wheelhouse. This is what he’s done for decades around the world in the private sector. And so I can’t think of anyone, Republican or Democrat. that I think would do a better job going toe-to-toe with Vladimir Putin in 5D chess than Donald Trump. So I say let Trump be Trump. Let him handle Putin the best way that he knows. I have noticed this, that Trump sometimes – he recognizes that Putin’s got a big ego, and he recognizes that he has to protect Putin’s ego as well. And so this is one of the things where if you notice the way that he – handles Putin publicly, he is making sure not to belittle him. He also has to make sure that it doesn’t look like Putin is kissing Donald Trump’s ring. So I get that, too. I understand why Trump doesn’t want Zelensky there for the meeting. I get that because I think it would You put the stupidest guy in the room putting him in there.
SPEAKER 01 :
Sorry, Bob, but I just had to insert that. Say what? You put the stupidest guy in the room when you invite him. Sorry, but I had to say that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I mean, well, and that is true. And he’s the lesser player here to a certain extent. What Trump needs to do is… Talk with Putin directly and say, look, Zelensky is not in the room. Right. Let’s you and me work out something together. All right. But we’ve got to work out something together that helps that guy’s safe face. Ukraine wants to keep their country. All right. We know you don’t want them in NATO. I get that. I’ll back you on that, okay? And I’ll even back you on some of the land and some of the territory that you end up with. Maybe you end up with a piece, 20% or something in Ukraine, all right? So let’s come up with a way that you can go back to your people in Russia looking victorious. I get you on that. I understand needing to look strong to your own people. I respect that. But, you know, you got to give something, too. Now, listen, those are direct conversations he needs to have without Zelensky sitting there, because Zelensky will just water down the direct communication the two of them need to have. They need to work out a deal together, and then Trump needs to go to Zelensky and sell it to him. And I think that’ll be an easier sell than anything he’s getting out of Putin. All Putin cares about is he wants—I think he does want to end the war, but— But he’s got to somehow look victorious in doing this. And Trump has to come up with a way to help Putin save face with his own people and look strong.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. A couple of things before we get back to John. If, you know, land swapping or at least, you know, some agreement about who gets what territories. is pretty controversial from a Ukrainian point of view because their constitution doesn’t allow such a thing. So some articles, some news people are saying if Zelensky were to agree to such a thing, like if that’s what the end result, you’re going to lose 20% of Ukraine to Russia right now. And that’s how Russia can save face. And that’s how there’s going to be a know a peaceful end to this whole thing zielinski if he agrees to it all of a sudden becomes a criminal literally a criminal because he’s doing something the constitution in ukraine doesn’t allow and then secondarily just not inviting him to the summit means he’s the little kid on the block and And yet Ukraine has gone toe to toe with Russia and Russia hasn’t been able to overcome them in three years. It looks like an ongoing stalemate like this thing could go on for 30 years and never be resolved. So it needs to get resolved. I understand that. But on the other hand, Zelensky has stood toe to toe with Russia. and been somewhat successful with it, even taking little portions of Russia. So you’ve got both of those factors that weigh into this. So, Bob, a quick comment before we throw this thing over to John.
SPEAKER 03 :
He’s only stood toe to toe with Russia because he’s had the help of us and some of our allies. OK, if we pulled that, if we stopped supplying him with the weapons and missiles that he needs, then suddenly he’s not going to be able to stand toe to toe. So we’ve helped prop him up in this case. So the fact is, he is the little kid on the block. He really is. And it’s not time for the little kid on the block to be part of these negotiations. Trump and Putin need to be face to face, eyeball to eyeball, a couple of strong people with big egos who understand that. And by the way, you know, Putin, I think, will understand that of Trump, too. Look, I know you got to look strong, too. OK, and I know this is going to be a victory for you. You’re going to score huge political points if this war is ended. But there’s no way I’m ending this war if it looks like I capitulated to you. And Trump was like, look, I get that. Let’s shake hands. I get that philosophically. I’m with you on that. So let’s come up with a way that it doesn’t look like you caved in to me. It doesn’t look like you capitulated to me. But yeah, I win. You win. You win. And we’ve got to find a way that Ukraine at least somewhat comes out of this with a win instead of completely defeated. Come on, between the two of us, you’re going to tell me we can’t come up with something together? Come on, let’s stop it. How many millions more are you going to lose in your own country? And this is depleting you. And besides, don’t turn me into your enemy, Vladimir. I can totally see Trump saying this. The sanctions, the secondary sanctions, I’m serious. I’ll impose them on countries around the world that are buying energy from you. I’m already doing it to India right now. I mean, so come on. Let’s be friends. Don’t make me be your enemy because one way or another, I’m not going to stick my tail between my legs. I know you’re not either, so let’s put something together right now. I can totally see Trump talking to him that way, and I can see Putin respecting that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Unlike Zielinski, we haven’t left John out of this conversation because he’s the little kid on the block.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, he’s the little kid on the block. He’s just the yes man. He’s the yes man to us, Neil. I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m just Zielinski. Allegedly.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right.
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SPEAKER 01 :
As it should, you can’t have two, in my, this is my opinion, and others may differ with me, but you know, somebody that not like Trump, you know, I’ve probably not negotiated some of the high end deals that he has been negotiated lots of things throughout the years, business wise, and so on. And I know that there are times where two’s company, three’s a crowd. This is a great example of that. You’re not going to benefit by having Zelensky in the room. And I did mean what I said earlier. He’s not a very smart man. Now, do I agree with the war and what’s happened, what Russia’s done to Ukraine and so on? No, I’ve talked about that many times on this program and others, by the way, of my own. So the reality is, no, I don’t agree with what’s gone on. I don’t agree with what Russia did. They were wrong in all of what they’ve done up to this point. So they’re not correct. Although, I don’t trust Ukraine and Zelensky as far as I can throw Zelensky especially. I think the guy’s as corrupt as it gets. I think he’s funneled money into his own personal coffers. I just don’t trust the guy. So frankly, no, he does not need to be in this meeting. He’ll do nothing but screw it up. You can see what he did even when he had the meeting with Trump in the White House and, you know, he and J.D. Vance. And the reality is he’s just not a smart guy. Negotiating-wise, he doesn’t have – candle to what Donald Trump can do on the negotiating stage. So the reality is, let Donald Trump do what Donald Trump is best at. I agree with Bob on that. This is right up his wheelhouse. He knows exactly how to handle a guy like Putin. And by the way, we’ve got two narcissists going against each other. So at the end of the day, who wins? I do think Donald Trump knows that you’ve got to have enough concessions for Russia to feel like there’s a win there, like Bob said. On the same token, you’ve got to have enough concessions to where it feels like when he goes back to Zelenskyy, you can make this happen. Although that one’s probably a little bit easier because we’re the, you know, it’s the old golden rule, the guy with the gold rules. We are the guy with the gold as far as the country goes with Ukraine. So the reality is, you know, Zelensky will do whatever Trump decides needs to happen at the end of this meeting. So, The bottom line is, what can Trump get done during this meeting when it comes to Putin, the concessions and so on? I agree and I’ve said all along that you’re going to have to take a sliver of Ukraine and give that to Russia. I think that’s the only way you get this deal done. I think on the same token, you can hang that that not not only the. the sanctions and all of that, but just not only politically, but just financially, what is this war doing to Russia? At the end of the day, you just can’t keep doing this. At some point in time, you’ve got to have an end to this. And I think that’s gone on longer than it ever should have in the first place. So reality is, and I think Putin knows that, by the way, I think he just wants to save face. So he’s going to keep doing this just because he doesn’t want to lose out any way, shape or form when it comes to his own credibility. So as long as Trump remembers all that going into it, which by the way, he will, I do think that My prediction is I think there’ll be a deal done on Friday. What does that deal exactly look like? I don’t know, but don’t be surprised if there’s a sliver of Ukraine that has to go to Russia to get the deal done.
SPEAKER 03 :
By the way, let me just say, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a ceasefire, a 30-day ceasefire, for the purpose then of going into negotiations, and at least it would be a ceasefire. But we’ve got to remember, too, and Neil, to the point that that John was making. With Vladimir Putin, he’s in danger of Ukraine becoming another Afghanistan-Vietnam for them, because Afghanistan was a 12-year Vietnam quagmire for Russia. And they came out of Russia, Russia came out of the Afghan war after 12 years, basically without a victory, just like we came out of Vietnam without a victory. And now the same thing happens here. If he can’t come out of this looking victorious, then I think on the world stage, it’s like, wow, country geographically the size of Russia, maybe they’re not as powerful as everybody thought. They couldn’t handle the Taliban in Afghanistan for 12 years. They can’t even handle little Ukraine for whatever. So he has to notch up a win in worldwide perception, I think.
SPEAKER 04 :
But yeah, I agree. And the parameters you guys laid out, I think, are fairly accurate. I can’t really disagree with what you’re saying. But on the other hand, you’re dealing with Zelensky’s ego and maybe his own demise. Like what happens if… You know, number one, will Putin with the size of his ego be content with a little sliver of Ukraine? Like, hey, after three years and like a million people dead. Hey, here you go. You get a sliver of Ukraine. OK, wow. We feel good about ourselves. I’m not sure that that’s going to satiate Putin’s ego. On the other hand. Zelensky is in a position where he can’t really give up anything without losing face and being humiliated amongst his own people. Yeah, he stood toe to toe with Russia in one sense. You’re right that the US has propped him up with armaments and munitions and so forth. So I get that. But I don’t know what his future looks like. All of a sudden they go, okay, well, you got a deal. You get a little sliver and that’s all you get. And now everybody’s happy. I don’t see that happening. Do you really think he’s going to agree to that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, you know what? Zelensky, think about it, though. He gets to look victorious in that he stood up. He was David standing up against Goliath and still went off 15 rounds and walked out of the ring on his feet but lost a split decision, okay? He’s basically Rocky and Rocky I fighting Apollo Creed. That’s what I was thinking of. Went the distance, okay, with the world heavyweight champion. It’s like that’s kind of a victory. So Zelensky, I think, can protect his own ego and pride and say, you know what? I took on Russia for several years, and we’re still standing. And we didn’t have to give up very much. So, you know, we could have lost the entire country three years ago. We didn’t. I kept most of our country, not all of our country. I think that’s the pitch that’s made to Zelensky, and he might very well buy that.
SPEAKER 01 :
It’ll be that, Bob, added along with – And oh, by the way, if you don’t take this deal, you’re cut off.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, absolutely right. And you’re right, John. That’s where Donald Trump uses the leverage and says, look, you can come out of this with losing a split decision but still have the pride of you held your own and you held on to most of your country instead of losing all of it. That’s the upside. The downside is we’re your enemy and we pull funding from you. We pull arms from you. We stop selling to you and we tell our allies to start doing it. And then guess what? A year from now, you got nothing because all of Ukraine is now owned by Russia. Is that what you want?
SPEAKER 04 :
I suspect you might be right, Bob. Maybe the 30-day thing is possible, like in the sense that almost like a trial balloon. Here’s where we think this is going to go.
SPEAKER 01 :
Really quick, I think that’s going to be Trump’s backup plan. I think Trump’s going to go in there wanting a deal done at the end of the day. If it comes to I can’t get anything else done other than a 30-day pause, yes, I think he’ll do that. But I think Trump’s main goal is let’s get a deal done while we’re here. I don’t want to do this again.
SPEAKER 03 :
I think we end up with a 30-day. I agree with you, John. I don’t think he’s going to go in there with that first, but I think he knows that that’s what he’s going to end up having to settle with, but he’s not going to play that card first. He’ll treat it like he very reluctantly doesn’t want to go down to that, but I think he knows that’s what he’s going to end up walking out of there with. I’d be surprised if it’s something more than a 30-day ceasefire to at least start. Interesting.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s clearly going to be a topic for future conversation here on NBL, and we’ll be following what happens, you know, this weekend or Friday, at least during this meeting between NBL Trump and Putin. So, yeah, we’re going to be talking about it for sure in the future and keep our eyes on it for you. I want to switch gears here near the end of our conversation and just bring up this Russiagate thing as it’s now being referred to. And I just want to touch on it because I think it’s obviously going to be something we will again be talking about later, but wanted to give it a little bit of airtime here. Vice President J.D. Vance said in an interview last week on Sunday, I believe it was, that, quote, a lot of people are about to get indicted over the Obama administration’s machinations on so-called Russiagate. He didn’t give out any specific names, but he said, I want to see indictments. Of course, you’ve got to have the law follow the facts here. you know is has the law been broken and there’s indications from people like cash patel and pam bondi that there’s now they got their eyes on these documents that indicate that people like president obama not only while in office but afterwards especially committed treason against the country by doing everything possible to make it look like donald trump colluded with the russians in the 2016 election All of that has been debunked. It didn’t happen. There’s no collusion, as Trump used to say. That didn’t happen, but there was a coordinated effort on the part of Obama and Hillary Clinton and James Comey and others to make it look like Donald Trump colluded with the Russians. So what actually was going on behind the scenes? Now, I’m a little skeptical only because we also were told that there was these, you know, Fire and Brimstone Epstein files are going to be made public and then we didn’t quite see anything there. So I’m hopeful that they’re telling the truth this time that they can actually produce documents. And if so, that indictments follow. But guys, we don’t have a lot of time, but at least some initial reaction to what’s happening and what seems to be unfolding with Russiagate. John, why don’t I start with you on this one?
SPEAKER 01 :
I think there’s even some, you know, shifty shift, for example. There’s some I was reading yesterday that there’s some actual documents showing that he leaked, you know, classified information to the press to actually, you know, push some of this narrative on. And I hope J.D. Vance is correct. I want to see some people indicted. I want to see even like a shifty shift. I mean, that guy is scum of the earth. The guy was a scumbag all the way through the first term of President Trump. He hasn’t changed yet. He’s the same person he was then. And by the way, he’s not the only one. He was probably one of the guys that was that was commanded to do some of those things. But this thing runs deep. And I think I really do hope a lot of people are are held accountable on this, Neil.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 01 :
Bob, your thoughts.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I’m I’m tired of Democrats enjoying. being above the law. This is really ridiculous. Hillary Clinton got away with it, the stuff that she did. And now this is such a massive, massive scandal. We’ve got to remember, Adam Schiff, John’s absolutely right. Adam Schiff, he was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He was the leader of the impeach Donald Trump over the Ukrainian phone call thing. And now we find out that Adam Schiff, according to a whistleblower, who, by the way, is a Democrat whistleblower, this is actually really a whistleblower. He says, I was in the room when Adam Schiff approved the illegal leaking of classified information to try to hurt Trump. And it turns out that that information was debunked false information anyway. Alexander Vindman, who the media heralded as some wonderful heroic whistleblower, wasn’t even on the phone call with Trump and Zelensky. He merely heard through hearsay what was said, said he didn’t like it in his opinion, and that made him a hero whistleblower. Here you have an actual whistleblower who says he was in the room. That matters. And it matters if you have Barack Obama and the CIA director and the FBI director and the rest of the director of national intelligence. It matters if they’re saying, we now know Trump did not collude. But we want to try to derail his presidency. So let’s come up with a fake intelligence assessment report that claims that it’s credible that he colluded with the Russians. And let’s run that through the media to try to derail him and launch a bunch of investigations. All right. That is a hundred times more scandalous than Watergate ever came close to. So, yeah, they have to be held accountable.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right, John, 20 seconds, literally, and we got to throw it back to Bob.
SPEAKER 01 :
No, absolutely. I mean, this is one of those where, as I said earlier, we’ve got to hold them accountable. I agree with Bob. This whole business of them being above the law, sort of shuffling things under the rug. Oh, OK, well, you know, just don’t let this happen again and we’ll be good. Yeah, well, they’re going to keep doing this over and over again until we finally show them that we mean business and we need to do that this time.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, Democrats are going to say, look, Trump was all concerned about lawfare against him. Isn’t this lawfare against his political enemies? And that accusation is going to be made, should it matter?
SPEAKER 03 :
No, not when you’re charging people for doing actual crimes. The lawfare against Trump was he didn’t commit any crimes, but they trumped up, no pun intended, to make it look like he committed crimes and he didn’t. These are actual real crimes that we’re talking about them committing here. So-
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I know. But but, you know, people believe that there was real crimes regarding the January 6th so-called insurrection. All I’m saying is that at the front end, it’s all perception right now. OK.
SPEAKER 03 :
Educate them to what the actual facts are. Make them explain what crime did Trump commit? Make make the Democrat that you’re talking to try to articulate what specific crime Donald Trump committed regarding that. They’re not going to be able to.
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