Dr. Kelly Victory joins John Rush for a wide-ranging conversation on how funding and incentives can shape the “expert” opinions the public hears—especially in healthcare and media. They dig into why it matters to follow the money, how people can evaluate sources more critically, and why independent platforms have become more important after recent years of censorship and narrative control.
They also cover the exploding world of peptides and GLP-1 medications—what they are, why “microdosing” is trending, and the real risk-benefit questions people should be asking (including what happens when you stop). The hour closes with a blunt reminder: supplements
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Okay, welcome. Thursday edition, Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Thanks for joining us today. Dr. Kelly Victory with us during this hour. Steve House not able to join us. Dr. Kelly, how are you?
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I am great. Thanks for having me, as always.
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Always a joy to learn so much. Lots of folks comment, and literally every single time you’re on, I get a comment from somebody about how much they learn, and I appreciate it greatly. I’ve learned so much over the past five-plus years that we are greatly indebted.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, thank you for having me. It’s important that these platforms, John, I think are so critical. After the sort of censorship that we saw during COVID, it’s become very, very clear that people need to turn to alternative news outlets, different independent programs like this one, because if you are only listening to, and I mean even the quote-unquote conservative networks, if you’re only listening to Fox and Newsmax, let alone, you know, MSNBC, CBS, those outlets, you simply are not hearing everything that’s out there. And you really are obligated to seek out alternate stories and then decide for yourself what’s the truth and what’s not.
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Absolutely. And I’m glad you said it that way because it’s one of the things that we’ve been doing. As you know, we’ve been doing this for, again, five plus years now. And for all of you listening, yeah, it’s extremely important. And mainly, Dr. Kelly, and not to get way off track of some of the stuff we’ve covered many times in the past, but the reality is there’s so much – let me make sure I say this correctly – misinformation from so-called experts that really at the end of the day anymore dr kelly i’m not sure how expert they really are meaning they’re expert in what they feel they need to be pushed or what somebody’s telling them they need to be pushing when it comes to drugs and treatments and so on but really at the end of the day they’re not doing what’s best for the patient
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And one of the things that I really encourage people to do is to look at who’s funding the mouthpiece that’s giving you the information. I can tell you right now, I’m not saying that everybody who is paid to do something is not speaking the truth. But you really have to wonder, you know, certainly all of the people who work for pharmaceutical companies, the politicians who are heavily funded by them without whose support they could never end up where they are in their cushy jobs in Washington. And the people who are out there presenting themselves as experts who work for X, Y, or Z agency, and you compare that to somebody, I’ll be very honest, like myself or like Steve House, who do what we do unpaid. We do what we do because we are trying to bring truth to people, trying to allow them to see a different side of whatever issue it is, and then allow them to make their own decisions. So I would start by saying, and this gets to the heart of the matter in health care. One of the problems, unfortunately, is that medical schools and certainly the medical journals are all heavily funded by big pharma. So what do you think they focus on? And what do you think, you know, the quote unquote studies that come out of those journals? They all, you know, unfortunately reflect exactly what the funders told them the study should reflect.
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Right. And I think what you’re saying, too, and for all of you listening, please, and I know, Dr. Kelly, you said this a moment ago, I mean, it’s not a thousand percent true. There are, I think, some really legitimate folk out there that even though they may receive some funding or whatever the case may be, you know, they may still be very genuine in their fact-finding. Although, and this is a reason why here at Crawford Broadcasting, and most of you don’t know this, but the reason why here at Crawford Broadcasting, anything that I endorse as a host, I’m not paid extra for. So if there happens to be a sponsor that we have and we develop a partnership, that partnership is developed because I believe in them as a company. or I wouldn’t have them on in the first place. I don’t charge any extra. We don’t get paid any extra to voice anything for those individuals. I don’t get paid extra when I talk about a particular sponsor, Dr. Kelly. And my point with that is, is there’s a lot of hosts out there whereby that is not the case. They’re talking about some product or whatever it is and how great it is. But remember, they’re getting paid X amount of dollars every time they mention said product. I don’t do that. And I think You know, the biggest reason we don’t do that at Crawford Broadcasting, Dr. Kelly, is because of what you’re talking about. I’m not tainted in my viewpoint on certain things because I’m paid extra.
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Exactly. And look, as you said, I am not damning people who are paid. We all need to earn a living. That’s right. Myself as well. I am not an independently wealthy woman who can simply do everything for free and don’t need to earn a salary. All I’m saying is that there are ways that you can tell if the person who is hawking something is is benefiting directly from the sale of that specific product, or if your doctor is benefiting and getting a kickback from something, if the medical school who’s teaching something is being supported by a company and they benefit by teaching something a certain way, those are all red flags. And unfortunately, it’s one of the issues with pharmaceutical advertising on television and one of the reasons why Bobby Kennedy and HHS is committed to ending that practice because any particular news outlet, I don’t care who they are, I don’t care if it’s MSNBC or to Fox News, if they are getting all of their advertising dollars from pharmaceutical companies, you can believe they’re not going to ever release any information that could be negative about that pharmaceutical company because they’d lose the advertising dollars if they did and they can’t stay in business that way.
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You know, something else, and it was in our notes to talk about anyways, this dovetails right into it. Folks, believe me when I say this. I’ve talked about this a lot even outside of Dr. Kelly. And, Kelly, this is in regards to all of the transgender things that are going on in regards to surgeries and convincing kids of what they need to be doing. And I have put a lot of blame on the medical community for this because the amount of money literally that they are making off of this. I mean, some of these folk, and you know the number better than I do, Dr. Kelly, that some of these doctors and hospitals and facilities are absolutely getting extremely rich off of these procedures, meaning why wouldn’t they tell a kid to go do this?
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Absolutely, and you should put a lot of fault on the medical community and those people who have been directly involved in what is barbaric. You can think what you want about the issue of gender-confirming care or any of this gender ideology, but the idea that children, and by that I mean people under the age of 18, should ever have been allowed to be operated on or gone through this transitioning process It is absolute insanity. And so what happened this past week that I think is perhaps going to tip the scales, I think it is truly a watershed moment in the gender issue, is the jury awarding a $2 million award to a young woman named Fox Varian. who is now she’s in her early 20s, but she was 16 years old when a surgeon removed both of her breasts because she’s going through a period when she was, quote, identifying as a male. And they allowed this to happen, her to go this, you know, life altering surgery. There’s no, you know, there’s no returning surgery. her body to what it was before this barbaric surgery. She was 16 years old. Now she is quote D transitioned and is saying, look, I didn’t know what I was doing. Nobody counseled me. They did not go through the proper channels of getting, you know, psychological evaluations and all the rest of it. And a Florida jury awarded this young woman $2 million. There are multiple other dozens of other lawsuits pending across the nation on including one brought by another detransitioner, a woman named Chloe Cole. She also is hoping to have a, I think not because she wants the money, as much as she wants to bring attention to the barbaric nature of this fad and the idea that physicians and hospitals have been making money hand over fist by taking advantage of young, impressionable, confused adolescents.
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And do you know, I’ve not looked this up, I don’t know if I’ve ever, well, I think I did look it up, but it’s been a while back. Do you have any idea what the average transition surgery, and I get it, it would be different for male, you know, going to female versus, you know, female, you know, going then to male. I don’t know what the average cost is. Do you know what that is by chance?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Yes. All in. It’s not just one surgery. All in the transition treatment on average costs in the range of two hundred fifty thousand dollars, quarter of a million dollars. It is paid for by insurance and is paid for by Medicaid. OK, so it’s paid for by public funding. These cases are very complicated. They are fraught with complications. You are messing with anatomy and areas of the body that are prone to infection as it is. And many, many times these people are relegated to dozens of revision surgeries to try to fix what hasn’t healed properly. And so they’re very, very problematic. I feel for these kids who are going through this, just to review, you know, adolescence is marked, John, by times of confusion and fickleness, impulsivity. There are reasons why we don’t allow people under the age of 18 to do things like get married, get a tattoo, buy cigarettes, join the military, and on and on, and drink.
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and vote, you know, on and on, because their brains simply are not… But yet, Dr. Kelly, in everything you’re saying, spot on, but yet everything you’re saying, we will encourage, not only will we discourage them from doing, you know, a transition-type surgery and hormone blockers and things along those lines, just by the way, there’s lots of costs and revenue and all of that as well, which we could get into, but… But Dr. Kelly, you know, when it comes to smoking and drinking and drugs and so on, we discourage them from doing that. Yet when it comes to sexual things and transitioning, we encourage it. I mean, to me, it’s just mind boggling.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. All of a sudden you’re so brave. You’re so brave, so courageous that you did that. No, you’re so confused is what you are. And if you take any other confusion with your body, and there are many of them, take for the most common one would be anorexia. A young, typically woman, but a young person who believes that they are overweight when in fact they’re very, very thin. The last thing you would do for that person is put them on Ozempic or do a stomach stapling. You know, you wouldn’t do a stomach surgery. You wouldn’t buy into it and say just because you feel this way, that is out of, you know, clearly in contrast to the reality, you wouldn’t do surgery on that person who’s anorexic. You wouldn’t put them on a life altering medication. So why, when that same kid comes in and says, I think I was born the wrong sex or the wrong gender, and I want to change it. The answer isn’t okay. Let’s give you these drugs and do surgery. The answer let’s intervene just like you would with an anorexic person who has a body image problem. And you’d say, let’s get to the root cause of this. That’s really, and give that person support. Furthermore, They’re saying that somewhere in the range of 35 or more percent of people who go down this route of gender changing surgeries or gender alteration are on the on the autism spectrum. They are they already have neuropsychiatric issues. This is well documented. So these doctors who participate in this with children are taking advantage of kids who are adolescents, who are confused, and in many cases, already socially and neuropsychiatrically disabled.
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Yet, we will celebrate and really congratulate these doctors that are doing this, and yet if they were taking – let’s see if I can come up with another example. Your anorexics example is another great example. If we had doctors encouraging that, we would call them out. I mean, to me, it’s just – It’s almost medical blasphemy what we’re allowing to have happen by encouraging these transitioners, and that’s what I call these doctors, these encouragement, these transitioners, the teachers even, the parents that are involved in all of this. I mean, Dr. Kelly, and maybe I’m wrong in saying this, but have we ever seen a time in our history, medically speaking, where we’ve encouraged these sorts of things to happen?
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Absolutely not. And this is part of a way bigger, deeper, more insidious plan, John, which is to destabilize society. Nothing destabilizes society more than this sort of thing. It is between what happened during the covid debacle and all of the stuff that’s going on with this gender affirmation and gender silliness is what it is. It is destabilized society. We have emasculated our men by, you know, foisting this concept of toxic masculinity. We have rendered our women, you know, who are afraid, who don’t want to have children, who don’t want to be sort of typical or traditional wives. and mothers. We are destabilizing society because the elites really, because that makes us way easier to control. It’s very, very problematic. Look, we’re about to have a Super Bowl in a couple of days where the halftime show is some freak you know called you know bad bunny who’s planning on doing the show in a dress and it the entire thing is supposed to be applauding and bringing attention to the trans community because that’s what we need at the super bowl
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And we are back. Rush to Reason, Denver’s Afternoon Rush, KLZ 560. Dr. Kelly Victory with me today. And Dr. Kelly, one thing I had somebody ask during the week, and make sure that we are out in the open and clear on this, you are a part of another organization that you have been for quite some time that does a lot of things in regards to wellness and so on. Talk about that for a moment, if you would.
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Absolutely. I am on the chief medical board of the Wellness Company, which was founded at the very end of 2022 in direct response to what we saw happen during COVID, meaning that we, a group of physicians, including Dr. Peter McCullough, which many of, who many of your listeners know, were appalled at what happened during COVID, not just with regard to the mandates and the silliness of social distancing and lockdowns, but the fact that people were not able to get access to legitimate medications. And so we started out with the idea that we would allow people to buy kits that include a number of critical prescription medications, primarily antibiotics, antivirals, medications, for allergic reactions for nausea and vomiting those sorts of things so that they could have those things ahead of time in case something else happened so they wouldn’t be beholden on the system they wouldn’t have to find an urgent care or a pharmacy willing to prescribe something And we have now expanded that tremendously into a whole host of primarily supplements, things that have been proven to be very effective at helping everything from sleep to immune health and everything in between pain. Lots of the things that have been, frankly, suppressed information that’s been suppressed. Buy big pharma because they can’t make any money or they’d rather sell you a statin drug or a prescription sleep aid or a prescription for this or that. at high cost rather than saying look it turns out that actually you know reishi mushrooms and turkey tail mushrooms and ashwagandha berberine and different supplements taken together can treat and improve a tremendous number of medical issues everything from inflammation as i said to to potentially cancer so yes i am proudly a part of the wellness company and have been since I’ve been with them for two years shortly after the company was founded.
SPEAKER 08 :
All right. So along those lines, this is something that Steve and I have talked about in the past. You and I have really never hit on this one much. And since you’re talking about that, might as well segue into this because, you know, peptides are becoming a bigger and bigger deal. You know, Dr. Scott, you know, he’s very much into helping people along those lines, making sure that they’re taking the right things for what they’re trying to accomplish in their life and so on. My question to you, Again, Steve and I have talked about this and never have really come to an exact answer because I don’t know that either one of us has one, and maybe you won’t either. How long before, and probably won’t happen under this administration and or as long as there’s a Republican control of the health care sides of things, but how long until you feel the big pharma sides of things kills those?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, actually, big pharma is making money on them. I mean, GLP-1s are peptides. All of these injectable, we go, you know, something on those, that’s a peptide. So they are not trying to suppress those. They’re trying to make a lot of money by the way that they’re selling them to demystify peptides. And you’re right, peptides are the kind of buzzword of the year. Peptides are just short chains of amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. We are learning many, many applications for peptides. There are thousands of peptides out there. The GLP-1 drugs, as I said, the injectable drugs that people are using for weight loss, that is a peptide that’s injected. We now have products that make those same GLP-1 peptides available orally. that you can take in a liquid form or in a tablet form. There are peptides that can be applied topically in lotions and have tremendous impact on actually healing skin wounds, treating cancers, psoriasis, eczema. So there are a tremendous number of peptides and a tremendous different mechanisms by which you can take them, orally, topically, injected. We are just really learning an awful lot about it. At some point, I think that what’s going to happen is we’re going to realize we’ll start to understand more what actually works and what doesn’t. For what are they really most efficient? Right now, everybody and their brother seems to be on a GLP-1 drug for weight loss. I am concerned about this because I don’t believe that we’ve had enough time under our belts to know exactly what the long-term side effects might be. Without question in my mind, The oral versions are safer. And the reason I say that is because the injectable ones you take once a week. So in other words, you take all seven days worth in one shot. And then that wears off and you take the next seven days worth. When you take these GLP-1 drugs orally, whether it’s in a liquid form or as a tablet, you take one seventh of the dose. You take Monday’s dose on Monday and Tuesday’s dose on Tuesday. So you’re doing it at a seventh of the dose anytime with rare exception when you, you know, most bad side effects are dose dependent. So if you take way less of a drug, your risk of having a side effect is also way less with few exceptions. So I think that But I do have concerns about the number of people who are taking these drugs to lose weight. It’s one thing if you have 80 or 100 pounds or more to lose, and you are at significant risk of the very serious side effects that come with carrying that amount of excess weight. It’s not only the risk of heart attack and stroke. It’s also a huge increase in your risk of cancer and certainly diabetes. But it’s the people who are taking them because they want to lose eight pounds before their graduation or they’re going on a spring break to the beach and they want to lose 12 pounds. It is, you know, there’s nothing in medicine, John, I’ve said it so many times, that doesn’t come down to a risk-benefit calculation. And the risks are actually great.
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And I just want to jump into the thing that concerns me a little bit with those as well is, like I had to make life changes when I lost all of my weight, you have to make other changes. I am not against them by any stretch of the imagination. I’ve got family members that are in very, very need situations. of them so I’m not going to talk bad about them at all Dr. Kelly and I think they need to be used you know with with caution as you’re saying I also feel like you need to make sure that you’re making your lifestyle adjustments necessary otherwise when you go off of them you know it’s one two things either you’re going to make lifestyle adjustments or beyond those the rest of your life which I’m not a fan of either I think you need to make lifestyle adjustments to know how to eat and care for yourself properly and so on so that when you go off of them you don’t pick up weight because with any diet you will if you don’t do it correctly.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s correct. And the data are really quite depressing, John. As soon as people go off of them, most people in excess of 80 percent of people gain the weight right back for exactly the reason you said, because they didn’t actually change their lifestyle. They were able to lose the weight when they weren’t hungry, you know, when they were taking a drug that made them not want to eat anything. But as soon as that drug is gone. They go right back to their old eating patterns and gain the weight right back. Which you cannot do. Correct. And so unless using that drug is combined with some really good nutrition coaching, lifestyle coaching, those sorts of things where people really change their relationship with food, they are doomed to fail as soon as they go off of it. and you absolutely cannot stay on them for forever. First of all, because you’ll continue to lose weight beyond when you should, and more concerningly, because you lose so much muscle with these. Unfortunately, it would be great if you just lost fat, but that simply isn’t the case. You lose a lot of muscle, and it’s not only skeletal muscle, meaning your quadriceps, your biceps, your triceps, You also lose cardiac muscle. And the reason that’s so concerning to me is that you can gain your quadriceps or your biceps back by going to the gym and lifting weights and eating extra protein. Unfortunately, you cannot gain heart muscle back. Once you lose it, it is gone. So you are eating away at your heart muscle. And that’s I am concerned that down the road, 30 years after you stop taking this drug, that you’re going to be of an age when all of a sudden people are going to start going into congestive heart failure or having issues with poor cardiac function because they injured their heart or really lost heart muscle when they were using these weight loss drugs.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, well said. And for those of you listening, again, I am not against them by any stretch of the imagination. I think there’s a lot of situations whereby not even justifiable, Dr. Kelly, but probably necessary for folks to really get going on what they need to do. And even if they’re close to being diabetic and so on, again, a lot of great advancements. I’m not knocking them at all, but. I would say this about any diet, and I talk about this in my hour show, Health and Wellness Hour show that we do every Wednesday. Reality is you’ve got to have lifestyle changes or it’s going to come back.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And I’m hoping that part of that lifestyle change for so many people, I’m hoping, given what we’re talking about with HHS and changing the food pyramid and changing the food system, is one of the lifestyle changes has got to be getting back to eating whole foods. The foods that most people eat on a daily basis and the foods that are so alluring, they’re addictive. You know, things, sweets, the highly processed foods, cookies, cakes, crackers, chips, these things are absolutely delectable and addictive. And it’s not different than any other thing to which you can get addicted, whether that’s drugs and alcohol or you know, tobacco, these foods are addictive and we’ve got to kick the food addiction. And the only way to do that is to kind of, you know, wean yourself off of them or cold turkey it. But one way or another, stop eating this junk because that’s what’s fueling your cravings. That’s what’s fueling the constant yo-yo, you know, weight gain, weight loss, weight gain, weight loss. You know, people don’t get fat eating fresh fruits and vegetables and lean proteins.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And again, it’s really and I think, you know, again, good, good doctors. You, Scott, as an example, you’re going to be on some other menu plans, I guess you could say, Dr. Kelly, to make sure that, OK, whatever you’re doing to lose weight, you’re doing this effectively. You’re not going to have a rebound when you come back. Again, I can talk diet after diet for diet and you can too, Dr. Kelly, or it doesn’t make any difference what diet it is. If you don’t make necessary changes, you’re either going to be on that diet the rest of your life or you’re going to rebound and gain more weight. That’s the yo-yo dieting. You’re going to gain more weight back than what you lost in the first place. And I get it. All of you listening, please hear me out. Been there, done that. There now. I mean, I’m one of those, Dr. Kelly, where I have to watch what I eat every single solid day or it will come back overnight. It’s a lifestyle now for me because if I went back to the way I ate prior to losing weight in 2010, I would weigh more than 315 pounds, which is where I started at that time.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly. And it is frustrating, but the best thing you can do is acknowledge it. This is reality. You know where you want to be. You know where you feel good. You know where you’re healthy. You know where your risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease is at its lowest, and that’s where you want to stay. So I have no problem with people trying these medications or If they have a significant amount of weight to lose to help them get there, but you want to get off of them as quickly as possible and make the lifestyle changes in the meantime that will allow you to stay there without going back on these drugs.
SPEAKER 08 :
What about, and this is something that I know not a lot about, I’ve heard a little bit about this, I’ve not done a ton of research, but the microdosing that they now talk about, whereby maybe you were using 20 units a week to lose weight, but now you’re down to 5 units. What’s your thoughts on microdosing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I think it likely will have some significant effect. And as I said before, your risk of bad side effects goes down exponentially, again, by using that lower dose, which I like. What people are really finding with the micro dosing, and I’m hoping it ends up being true, is that it will do just enough to take the edge off. Well, it won’t make you, quote, have no appetite the way the full dose does, that it might take the edge off the sugar craving, the carbohydrate craving.
SPEAKER 08 :
Isn’t it still having a positive effect on the insulin sides of things, especially folks that are really at risk for having diabetes? Doesn’t it still have a positive effect upon that?
SPEAKER 03 :
Correct. It still helps with insulin sensitivity and therefore, which is one of the things that drives sugar cravings, is that insulin resistance. So in the same way, another drug that shows some promise in that is using low-dose naltrexone. Naltrexone is a drug that is the drug in full dose that we give to people who have taken an opiate overdose, a fentanyl overdose. It’s the life-saving drug. that blocks that opiate receptor in the brain and turns it around so that people wake up and then can breathe again and not die from their fentanyl overdose. In small doses, however, there is some very, very good research showing that it can decrease people’s pleasure center craving for both drugs and alcohol and potentially sweets. So just that little bit, it’s kind of a very small dose that it might turn off that part of the brain that says, you know, go for the Snickers bar, go for the donut, go for the, you know, whatever it is. People have used it successfully to cut down on drinking alcohol. And I think, again, that it might have some application to help people to cut down on those cravings. There’s no question that some people, myself included, suffer from those cravings more than others. I have friends who never Jones for for, you know, sweets and carbohydrates. And I think about them constantly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t give into it. You and I are the same on that one.
SPEAKER 08 :
I mean, that’s where with me, I just have to have the willpower to not cave in because, yeah, that craving is always there.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And although I really rarely quote her because I don’t agree with anything she stands for, one thing that Oprah Winfrey did say that was true is that when she started taking a GLP-1 injection, she said for the first time in her life, she realized that there were people out there who didn’t think about potato chips all day long.
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Mm hmm.
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And I understand that because there are, you know, chips aren’t my downfall, but other sweets are. And so some people don’t apparently think about food like that all day long. And having that drug and using that injectable, she, for the first time in her life, experienced that, what it’s like to not think about food constantly. And so I think, you know, we all are wired differently. We all have our cross to bear. For me, it’s unfortunately different. And so it’s a lot of willpower and simply not to do it. So if you are one of those people who, like me, like you, it sounds like you, John, who kind of have that gene that makes us think about unhealthy food, microdosing may end up being something that will be very helpful. It certainly will be fraught with fewer of the serious, potentially serious and life-threatening side effects.
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And we are back. Thank you for listening. Okay, Dr. Kelly Victory with us, and Dr. Kelly, by the way, great conversation we were having on, you know, to your point, peptides, which for all of you listening, there is such, and Dr. Kelly, I think you said it right, and I have done more and more studying on this, and I keep learning more and more, and when you said there are literally peptides You know, plethora is not even the right word. I mean, Dr. Kelly, when it comes to peptides, would you say there’s over 100 of them out there available to folks to take depending upon what they’re trying to accomplish?
SPEAKER 03 :
Definitely. Definitely in different combinations of them. As I said, in different formulations, different combinations. People are kind of trying it for everything, which I don’t mind if there are no bad side effects. We can’t say at this point which ones are actually going to have long-term benefit. But obviously, you’ve got to weigh any potential bad side effects. And at this point, the reality is this is all sort of new territory. We’re learning a lot. And we can’t say with certainty that none of these things are going to have long-term side effects that we don’t like.
SPEAKER 08 :
And I think that’s with a lot of things, Dr. Kelly. And for those that are listening, because this is something that I think I know a little bit about because I’ve talked to you and I’ve talked to Scott even, but talk about peptides in that chain, what they’re actually doing, because it’s different than what most people think. It’s not a vitamin. I think that’s where a lot of folks get a misconception. It’s not like taking a multivitamin. It’s way different than that, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. I mean, it is directly impacting in many cases the functioning of the cell, the power, how the mitochondria within the cell actually metabolize energy. It can cause, it actually has a direct impact on cellular repair in many cases. So, you know, there’s In the case of the GLP-1s, it actually acts as a hormone that improves insulin sensitivity, improves or slows down gut emptying because it replicates one of the naturally occurring hormones. That controls how fast or slow your stomach empties, which has a lot to do with your sense of satiety or which, in other words, how full you are and how soon you need to eat again. So these different peptides in many cases act directly at the cellular level or they replicate or mimic peptides.
SPEAKER 08 :
naturally occurring hormones in the body and so you get sort of a boost rather than taking the hormone itself you’re getting fundamentally a synthetic version okay and for those you know again dr kelly are so many i mean one of the most popular ones on the market by the way nad i say they call it nad plus which i cannot even pronounce what nad actually means But it is one of those things that as we age has a lot to do with replacing, I guess you could say, some of those lost things that we find happen as we age and get older. And I know Dr. Scott talks about it as well. You can do that, by the way, in an injection. You can do it with IV therapy. There’s all sorts of ways to do it. Personally, I feel like it doesn’t help. I think it does, Dr. Kelly, but I’m an old guy. I’m 61 years old.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and I think that, you know, there’s so many of them. If I took everything out there that I thought worked, I would never leave my kitchen. I mean, I would just be taking supplements.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s exactly right. That’s all you would do. No, you’re 100% right. Absolutely. Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
At some point, you know, because I tell people what I take personally. And then people say, well, what about this? Or, you know, what about NAD? Or what about this or that NAC? What about this one or that one? And say, look, the data on that one look great. But at some point, there are just so many things you can take. And again, I will get back to none of these things can or should replace The basics, meaning I don’t care how many peptides you inject or rub on your skin or put under your tongue. I don’t care how much NAD you take. I don’t care how much berberine and ashwagandha you eat. If you are eating a lousy diet, drinking too much, not getting adequate sleep, burning the candle at both ends, don’t go to the gym, there isn’t a supplement on the planet that That’s going to help. Right. OK. Right. You’ve got to start with the basics. You’ve got to give, you know, provide the right, you know, canvas, as it were, provide the foundation, the foundation, the foundation so that they can do the work to give you that extra boost.
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Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
NAD or anything else by itself is, you know, that’s a fool’s errand to believe that those things work. are going to save you from a lifestyle that is, you know, leading you to an early grave.
SPEAKER 08 :
A question came in. What parasites does Dr. Kelly refer to on your commercials regarding the treatments that you describe? In other words, you know, parasites can mean all sorts of things. And again, I’m not getting, you know, exact here, Dr. Kelly, but what parasites are you referring to is what the question is.
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s a great question. We are now starting to understand that there are many, many more parasitic infections out there or symptoms that are related to parasites than we’ve understood previously. Before, when we said parasites, we used to, you know, think we were talking about trichomonas that you get from sexual activity or, you know, worms, intestinal worms. Turns out that there are probably a lot more parasites, microscopic parasites that we’ve been unaware of that lead to many of these very vague symptoms, muscle aches, brain fog, arthralgias, chronic fatigue, all of these things. And it’s likely a combination because of many things, differences in our travel patterns, huge increases in people coming in from out of the country, differences in the way we cook and prepare our foods, everything from eating raw fish, which people do. We eat way more sushi, things like that, more raw eggs, more unpasteurized or raw milk, those sorts of things.
SPEAKER 08 :
For me, I’m an oyster guy, Dr. Kelly, so that’s mine.
SPEAKER 03 :
100%. And so the issue is that we found that many people’s symptoms go away when they are treated with an antiparasitic. So the question is, is it a parasite that we have treated with that ivermectin and levendazole? Or is it simply that those drugs, specifically ivermectin, metbendazole, fenbendazole, have tremendous application to other things? We know, for example, that ivermectin worked brilliantly against COVID, not because COVID’s a parasite, okay, but because of the antiviral properties, the anti-inflammatory properties, and on and on. We know that ivermectin and mebendazole work against cancer cells, not because cancer is a parasite, but because they also have anti-cancer properties. But there are this group of these very vague symptoms that I just rattled off. As I said, they’re things… in the arthralgias, myalgias, muscle aches, joint aches, brain fog, early fatigue, those sorts of things that seem to improve. And so there is a suggestion that some of these might be related to parasitic disease. And because the drugs we’re talking about, specifically ivermectin and mebendazole, are so safe, they have such a great safety profile. that it is worth, in my mind, if you have those symptoms, it is worth trying it to see if those drugs end up making your symptoms better.
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Yeah, no, and I think it’s one of those things, and I know for me, for those of you listening, there are times where I will just sort of proactively take, you know, some ivermectin and do some things. Do I do it constantly? No, but I do think there are times for me, this is for me, and I always want to make sure that I… I put parentheses around that, Dr. Kelly. I do things for my life that I know work for me, and I think it’s really critical for folk out there listening to find what works for them. Everybody’s different. There’s not a one-size-fits-all. I reckon this or liken this back to the car world, which I’m very much a part of, Dr. Kelly, and every maintenance schedule isn’t equal. It’s why I don’t like dealership maintenance schedules. They do a one-size-fits-all. That’s a lot like health care. Everybody drives different. Every car is different. The way you take care of it is different, meaning the recommendations of what it needs is going to be different from one person to the next. I look at our health care in our bodies exactly the same way. And I’m not a doctor, but I got to believe it’s similar.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely, and the reality is this is really quite simple. If the treatment or if the thing that we’re suggesting you do, the intervention, has no side effect, no downside to it, there’s no risk with it, and a drug like ivermectin that’s been around for decades and decades and decades, taken by hundreds of millions of people every year around the globe with no ill side effects, if the intervention is so safe, There’s no downside to trying it for a particular thing to see if it helps, even if we don’t necessarily understand the mechanism. It’s quite interesting. People always say, well, I need to know how it works on that. And the answer is, no, actually, you don’t.
SPEAKER 08 :
I was going to say, why?
SPEAKER 03 :
I mean, no offense, why? Exactly. You actually don’t. It’s different if there is a risk to the thing. You say, look, you better have a pretty good explanation for why you think that this risky thing is going to impact that condition. But there’s nothing wrong with trying. Many, many things work and we don’t understand exactly why at this point. But, again, if there’s no negative, you know, side effect or no risk to taking it, and it’s remarkable in my experience just at the wellness company how many people have tried the combination of ivermectin and benzoin and then said, oh, my gosh, I haven’t woken up without joint pain or I haven’t woken up without muscle pains, you know, in five years, six years. And all of a sudden, this is as good as I felt before. So do we need to understand, you know, was it parasites? Possibly. Was it inflammation? Possibly. Was it, you know, is there some other yet to be discovered mechanism that those drugs have? I think possibly.
SPEAKER 08 :
Right. And again, for those of you listening, and I’m getting questions that come in on this, this really does. Again, I’m a big one. And this is where it takes work, Dr. Kelly. And I know for me, I had to do this on my own. It takes work to determine. It takes time, too, as well. So it takes work. time to decide what works for you in your life in other words I don’t take for example folks listening I don’t take a multivitamin I’ve never felt like they’ve really done much for me so personally I’m not a big multivitamin guy but I have other regiments of things that I do in fact do and some people laugh at me for some of the things that I do dr. Kelly but knock on wood and I be careful I do this because I don’t want end up with a cold tomorrow but knock on wood you know I might get a mild cold once a year and some years not even get that because I feel like I do a really good job of the, and again, you’ve trained me. I mean, this is coming from you directly. It’s because of the things you and Steve have mentioned, but you mainly on air as a doctor that I do and I have found that regimen for me and I continue to do that.
SPEAKER 03 :
No, I agree with you 100%. And I think that you find the things that work for you. Well, one of the things, by the way, that if your people aren’t doing it, you need to know what your vitamin D level is. It is one of the simplest things.
SPEAKER 08 :
And that’s something I do take daily.
SPEAKER 03 :
And it is one of the most impactful true vitamins. I’m like you. I don’t take a multivitamin either, but I take vitamin D every day. Having an adequate vitamin D level not only decreases your risk of getting pretty much every infectious disease from influenza to COVID and everything in between. But it profoundly decreases your risk of getting cancer. It is one of the simplest things to do. And traditionally, doctors have suggested that your levels are way too low. In other words, the levels that they say are fine. You get your level checked and your doctor says it’s fine. Find out what it is, because the labs will report it as being normal if it’s between 30 and 50. That is way too low. We know that vitamin D levels need to be at least really between 80 and 100, certainly above 60, but between 80 and 100 is what I aim for, and it is so easy to do. You really need to get your level checked, though, and then there are good algorithms that out there that will tell you, assuming you’re low, and most people are, they tell you how much you need to take in order to get your serum level, your blood level up where it needs to be.
SPEAKER 08 :
As always, Dr. Kelly, I learn a lot. And for all of you listening, please, I want you to do the work on your own to determine what works for you. And know that doesn’t happen overnight. It’s no quick fix. Your health is something that you have to work at on a daily basis. It’s why you’re with us on a regular basis as well, Dr. Kelly. But I’ll tell you right now, if you get this dialed in, you’ll feel a thousand percent better.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, absolutely. And again, it’s about, you know, making those fundamental lifestyle changes and then a handful of things that you can do. Unfortunately, you know, our food and our soil has been so degraded. It’s been so denuded of nutrients. Much of what we buy in the grocery stores isn’t as chock full of nutrition as we’d like. So I do find that supplementing certain things and vitamin D is absolutely one of them is necessary. There’s almost an unlimited number of other supplements you can take, hundreds that have been proven to be very helpful. I think you need to pick and choose for yourself based on your lifestyle, your personal risk. Many of us have a personal or family high risk of cancer, those sorts of things, or personal histories of cancer that make it worth their time to take things, you know, that are geared towards that. For other people, it’s a, you know, concern about developing, you know, whatever early aging people who have, you know, genetic predispositions towards Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s. You kind of tailor what you’re adding to your daily routine based on your personal profile and what you feel that you’re most at risk for and what you’d like to address.
SPEAKER 08 :
Dr. Kelly, as always, I appreciate it. Thank you for your time. Have a great evening.
SPEAKER 03 :
You too.
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