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On this enlightening episode of The Kim Munson Show, Kim engages with community leaders to dissect the pressing issues facing modern America. Featuring passionate dialogues about government-backed scholarships, the pitfalls of altruism, and the responsibilities of the family unit, Kim provides a platform for voices advocating for individual freedom. Tune in to understand why engaging in the battle of ideas around freedom and force is more crucial than ever.
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it’s not.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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Indeed. Let’s have a conversation, and welcome to the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and your body, my friends. We were made for this moment in history. Thank you to the team. That’s Producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda, and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Happy Thursday, Producer Joe.
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Happy Thursday, Kim.
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So this is Thursday, which is the day after Wednesday, right? Last I checked.
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Yep, I think that’s how that works.
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And so that meant that yesterday was Wings Day at Hooters Restaurants. You buy 20 wings, you get an additional 10 for free. The girls were over last night. We partook in that, and it’s always a fan favorite. Hooters Restaurants has been a great sponsor of the show for a long time. How I got to know them, it’s a very interesting story about proper role of government and PBIs, those politicians, bureaucrats, interest of parties and power and and you wouldn’t think that that would happen and just a little local issue but that’s how i got to know them that story is at my website they have five locations loveland aurora lone tree westminster and colorado springs and a great place to get together with friends for their lunch specials monday through friday the website is kim munson mon son.com while you’re there make sure that you sign up for our weekly email newsletter And that way you will get first look at our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at kim at kimmunson.com. And the text line we want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. We’re an independent voice on an independent station. So we so appreciate all of our sponsors as well as all of your support. And the show comes to you 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. First hour is rebroadcast 1 to 2 in the afternoon. Second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And that is on all KLZ platforms, which is KLZ 560 AM, KLZ 100.7 FM, the KLZ website, and the KLZ app. And also you can say, Alexa, play KLZ. And after that, we’re on Spotify and iTunes. What we do here at the show is we look at these issues through this lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You shouldn’t have to force people to do it. And in studio with me is my good friend, Brad Beck. He is co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. It’s great to have you here.
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Well, thanks, Kim. It’s a great day to be in Colorado. Just looking out the window here, we are so blessed.
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Oh, this is an amazing view. And to see the sunrise is pretty amazing. So good to have you here.
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Thank you for having me.
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Absolutely. And also a new sponsor, relatively new. You’re going to be an old sponsor soon here. And that’s Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating and Cooling. So it’s great to have you here as well.
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Kim, it’s an honor and privilege to be here.
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Yeah, so thank you. But, Brad, as you know, because you host the show sometimes for me. I try. Oh, my gosh. The first time that you did this, the phones weren’t working. We had everything organized, all the guests. You had to talk for two hours.
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You know, my kindergarten report card once said, Bradley is loquacious. So there you go.
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But another word that you have really brought to my attention, loquacious was one, but is altruistic. And altruism has been used by PBIs to coerce, I would say, people to vote for things or just to do things that government does in the guise of helping people. And you’ve really drilled down on that word, and I think that’s important.
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Well, people use it, I think, incorrectly. The origination of that word really means other ism. And we today it’s morphed into you should do something for somebody, but it’s by the force of usually government. And I prefer benevolence. If somebody does it out of their own fruition, they do it out of their heart. They see a need and they want to help people. Great. I have no problem with them. But otherism, living your life for others is wrong. I think you should live your life for yourself and your family and your friends and then your local area and then your state and your government. But you shouldn’t live for the government. You shouldn’t live with a gun to your brain saying you should do this. You need to have others first. Now, I know there are some people who are religious that do things for others first, and that’s fine, but it’s not through force of government, and that’s the difference.
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Right. If you choose to, that’s one thing. But the force of government to be compassionate or altruistic, when you have to, and we say it all the time on the show, if something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. So charity. Government should not be in the business of charity. And what I have seen as government has gotten bigger and bigger, That what happens is people sometimes say, well, I don’t have to think about helping my fellow man because government is taking so much from me that they’re doing it. Well, we just drive around Denver and look at a corner and just see how well they are helping the homeless. I actually think it’s a homelessness industrial complex because there’s a bunch of people that’s making a bunch of money homeless. of the tragedy of homelessness. And yesterday I mentioned that apparently Trump, the Trump administration, is kicking around the idea that those that are on Medicaid may have to work to get those benefits. And then Senator Warnock out of Georgia has said that this was really, and I’m paraphrasing, an affront upon the hardworking people of America if they have to work to get their Medicaid. I’m thinking, did he just say that? Yeah. And granted, there are some people, and it’s a small percentage, that can’t, really can’t work. And we, from a charitable standpoint, should take care of that. But I was just thinking about people that are able, that are receiving government benefits. First of all, there’s dignity in work. And so I look at our city, I look at the trash, and I’m thinking, well, at least why don’t we put a broom in everybody’s hand and get our city cleaned up? Because Denver’s in decline. What do you think about that, Ben Williams?
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Absolutely. It’s unfortunate. I mean, you even see that in a family situation. Maybe you feel bad for your kids and you’re letting them live at home and not requiring them to participate or anything. And there becomes almost this resentment where they feel like something is owed to them and just turns sour.
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And families many times need to help other family members. Things can happen. But to your point… is not a free ride. If you’re here, you’re going to help. You’re going to do things. You’re going to help pay rent. And if you don’t, it does devolve into typically not a great situation where people start to resent each other. What do you think about that, Brad?
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Well, I’ll tell you a little story. Back in my youth when I grew up in Southern California and I thought the world owed me everything, I remember telling my dad we were having breakfast and I said, trying to go to college. And I said, Dad, you owe me a good education. You said that? Oh, I did. And there was a nail on the wall where a clock had been had fallen down. And my dad picked me up by my collar and put me on that nail where I was kind of hanging there. And he says, I don’t know you and I won’t say the word. And, you know, the usual substance and walked away. And there I am hanging on the wall, and I can’t go anywhere because my shirt is stuck. Great lesson. I appreciate my father doing that to me because it said nobody owes you anything. You have to work. You have to use your mind, the source of all wealth, and you have to use whatever facilities you have, faculties, excuse me, to pursue your happiness. And nobody owes you anything. And so it was an important lesson for me.
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And your father still lives in Southern California?
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92.
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God bless him.
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Yeah, and just this wonderful relationship with him. You’ve done great speeches and stories about your father over all these years. So anyway, this moves into this long list that I have of… Freedom versus force. I’ve seen this where when I was on city council, there was something that was called the this was under the Obama administration was called the Community Development Block Grants. And that was something that the federal government was pushing out. And I know Jenny probably right now is saying that. Government grants is like the crack cocaine for PBIs. And that’s not the proper role of government. It’s not the proper role of government to take from you, go by me, PBIs take their cut, and then give to Ben. That’s not the proper role of government. So anyway, with these community development block grants, the Obama administration was also saying that they wanted to accomplish what we actually are seeing accomplished, and that is dense housing, rental units, but that was one of the strings that was attached to that. And so anyway, we, the county and the different municipalities, would make decisions on who would get this money. And I’ve told the story on the show before, but so we had all these different non-profits, and come in and make their presentation. And I’m sitting here thinking, gosh, if I wouldn’t give money to them personally, why would I give government money to them? Is this the proper role of government? So I said to staff, I said, I would really like to see the financials on each of these nonprofits and just understand their results. And they said, nobody’s ever asked us for that before. And I’m thinking, here we are doling out people’s, our money, to others and we’re we’re not even asking for accountability but also it’s not even the proper role of government and why is it that government would choose that this non-profit would get money and this didn’t and non-profits need to compete in the free market just like all of us have to every day and that is and and they need to make the case to us not to government make the case and then they need to deliver if they don’t deliver brad then people quit funding them
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Well, you know, we need a doge in Colorado. There is so much waste and fraud and misalignment of taxpayers’ funds. You know, somebody like Ben who works with their hands and their mind and they invest in themselves. You were telling me you and your son went to a recent educational opportunity. You know, somebody like that is doing something to produce, and nothing happens until something is produced. Production precedes consumption. And government has it backwards. They think that they can just invest in something and then, you know, it’s like seed packets. So all kinds of little flowers will grow up and it doesn’t happen that way. You need to invest in education, information, time, trial and error. You know, sometimes you’re going to mess up. That’s OK. But they’re doing something beforehand to produce something that people need, a good or service. And one of the things that I don’t think government does well is really understand the process. They just think money grows on trees.
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Yeah. I’d like to have a tree in my backyard. And you can use a little fertilizer on that, too. But, Ben Williams, getting up, working every day, and producing something, creating something, there’s real dignity in work as well.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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And it brings value to our lives. The quote yesterday from Mark Twain, and then I was talking with Virginia Maka after the show, and she said that was such a great quote. And it was something along the line, there are two days that really matter in your life, the day you were born and the day you figured out why. And I love that quote. We’re going to continue the discussions, and in studio with me is Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters, and Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And another great sponsor of the show is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance team. And Roger’s been in business for 49 years. You know why? Because he strives for excellence as he takes care of his farm. clients and his family and his community and give them a call and set up a complimentary appointment go over your insurance coverage make sure that you have what you need if you bundle things together you might be able to save some money you won’t know unless you find out that number is 303-795-8855 like a good neighbor the roger mangan team is there
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And Brad, in the spirit of Liberty Toastmasters, our word of the day is pantheon. P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. And number one, it could be a circular temple in Rome. It is a circular temple in Rome, completed around A.D. 125 and dedicated to all the gods. It could be a temple dedicated to all gods, all the gods of a people considered as a group. It could be a public building commemorating or dedicated to the heroes of a nation dedicated or it could be a group of persons highly regarded for contributions to a field or an endeavor. I’ve also thought you could have a pantheon of ideas.
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True, true. I think that are something that are timeless. The ancient Greeks often thought about the pantheon of time. I’ve used that term, that it continues on, and it’s somewhat of a circular type of thing. So hence the building itself, from my understandings.
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Yeah, okay. So your challenge is to use Pantheon in a sentence today, and I think you should be able to figure that out. And our quote of the day is from George Washington in a letter to Edmund Randolph in 1795, and I was looking for quotes about truth. initially and he said this there is but one straight course and that is to seek truth and to pursue it steadily and George Washington was born in 1732 and died in 1799 of course he was our first president he was the general of the Continental Army and he oversaw the Constitutional Convention known as the father of our nation and we get to have all these discussions because of our great sponsors and it’s important I think that This isn’t just, oh, this particular, you know, just here spot. It’s important to have a relationship between the sponsor and myself and also the sponsor and our listeners. So Ben Williams, it’s great to have you here. And after the show, when you were on last month, You had said something about the importance of, well, freedom versus force, second opinions, because one of our listeners had texted in about many times with her business when somebody comes out regarding plumbing, heating, and cooling, they say you need a new board or something.
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Electrical panel.
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Yeah, yeah. So you had some thoughts on that.
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Yes, I did. I actually want to discuss the pantheon of freedom versus force in the trades.
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Okay, I love that.
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Bonus points there. Well done. So I’m going to start out with a story. This is a true story. A lady gets a call from a guy who says that he’s with Xcel Energy. And their records indicate that her air conditioner is no longer compliant. He needs to come out and take a look at it.
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That’s another force word.
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It is a force word, yes. And so he and another guy come out. They take a look at the air conditioner. Oh, this has to be replaced. $20,000. Well, fortunately. Is this a true story? This is a true story. Absolutely.
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Okay.
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And fortunately, she’s like, let me check around. Well, so here’s what happens. You know, we have probably, those of us who are older, we’re familiar with the R22 refrigerant. And then they came out with R410A. And it’s one of these things that the EPA is driving new refrigerants all the time.
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I think it’s another control thing.
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It is. It is. Anyway, unfortunately, it’s just one of those things. Well, it’s like I mentioned last time, Kim, I know you weren’t around, but back when they changed from regular leaded fuel to unleaded fuel. I’ve heard about it. You’ve heard about it. That didn’t mean you had to go out and buy a brand new car. But as your car ages out, the new ones are made for unleaded fuel, right? Same thing with your furnace, your air conditioner, whatever. There’s always code upgrades that are being employed in the new products. But that does not mean that just because this new thing has come out that you have to change everything. So I want to talk about what triggers a code upgrade. So let’s say that you get… a new water heater, a new furnace, new air conditioner. Okay, well then that unit, including like the exhaust, the gas line, the wiring to that unit has to be compliant with the new code requirements. Maybe you finish out your basement or you do an addition to your house. That new construction has to comply with the new code, but that doesn’t mean you have to go through and rewire the entire house or redo everything. And that’s specifically stated in the code, in the building code. If you’re doing an addition, you don’t have to upgrade the whole thing. It’s just the work that you are doing. Also, if there’s a change of occupancy, let’s say that you decide, you know what, I’m going to convert my – all the kids are grown up and gone. I’m going to convert my single family home to an adult daycare. Okay, well, now we’re putting a ramp on the front steps and grab bars and probably a fire suppression system, that type of thing. But if you just sell the house to another single family – It’s the same occupancy. Nothing really has to change other than whatever you’re doing to sell it. So in the trades, it’s really unfortunate. I think greed is something that just drives a lot of the problems in our nation. And a lot of the big companies are purely pursuing monetary gain. And so literally they are telling their employees, don’t go out and fix the furnace or the air conditioner. Sell them a new unit. And so the technicians are trained to go out and they’ll take a look and say, oh, you know, we can’t get parts for this anymore. Or, you know, this is shot. It just needs replaced. Well, this is where as consumers we need to take a minute, check your gut. God gave us a gut feeling for a reason, right? And if something doesn’t seem right, Call a trusted neighbor, a friend, call another heat and air conditioning, plumbing company, whatever, and just say, hey, can I just get a second opinion here? But, you know, when it’s really interesting that the time that we live in with the Internet and Google and Amazon, if somebody says, oh, you know, we can’t even get parts for this anymore. Brad, I don’t know if you’ve got a hand well pump in your backyard, but you can still get leather gaskets for that on Amazon.
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I’m sure you can. And there’s a lot of things, like you just mentioned, information that help people figure out whether or not they’re being taken advantage of.
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Yes. So whenever somebody comes out and says, oh, if they’re bringing pressure and force by saying, this is going to blow up if you don’t replace it right now, Literally had a guy go through. The customer called me after this other plumber was there. He offered to do a walk-around inspection in the home and, you know, the little shut-off valves that are by your toilet or your sink faucets. He said, oh, these are all leaking, and if you don’t replace them, they’re going to blow up. Again, $20,000. Wow. Fortunately, they wanted to check around. And here’s the thing. If somebody tells you, oh, this is leaking, you will see water, right?
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That seems like there would be that cause and effect, right? Right. Yeah.
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And, I mean, nobody knows everything about your furnace, your conditioner especially, or your electrical panel. But ask some questions. Get them to explain and show you exactly what they’re talking about. And if it doesn’t make sense, if something doesn’t seem right, just make a call and ask. Fortunately, we are very blessed. My son and I stay busy. But listeners to the Kim Munson Show, you are more than welcome to call or text 303-995-1636. I’m happy to just give you some information and say, yeah, that sounds okay or no. And I want to throw in one last thing. Sometimes things that just seem crazy might be true. Brad, I have a warranty here for a furnace that we installed, and I highlighted on the bottom here. So I want you to read the bottom line first and then the second highlighted line up from that. So if I come out and I’m talking to you about your warranty on your furnace and it seems like, oh, that’s crazy. Tell me what we have there, Brad.
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So it says functional parts term end date is 03-28-2035, 10 years. 10 years.
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Right. How about the next line up on the heat exchanger?
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It says heat exchanger term end date is 03-28-21-24, 99 years.
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Now, that’s crazy, isn’t it? It is absolutely crazy. But this is what the furnaces that we install, they have a 99-year warranty on the heat exchanger. All the parts on your furnace can be replaced, but if the heat exchanger goes, you have to replace the furnace because that’s what separates the carbon monoxide, the exhaust fumes from the heat that’s going through your house.
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Okay. Again, what’s that number? 303-995-1636.
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Okay.
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And I know you guys stay very busy, but we’re very pleased to have you as partners of the show. And again, that’s 303-995-1636. What about one other question? We’re looking at getting into warmer weather. Are you doing any air conditioning checks or anything like that?
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Yes, absolutely. Here’s something that’s really fascinating. On a nice, cool day like today, you tip on the air conditioner. It runs great. If the capacitor is getting worn, it’ll run perfect on a day like today. But when it gets hot and there’s a heavier load on it, that capacitor will fail. And so it’s important to check the run capacitor. And this can prevent, you know, a crazy call when it’s 100 degrees and everybody’s, you know, needing service.
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Everybody’s calling 303-995-1636. That’s right. So, yeah, and again, it’s like all things. Preparation is a great idea. So get things done before everybody else, like you say, and things do happen when it’s really hot, but there are things that you can do in your life to make sure that you try to manage those expectations, manage all that. And so we’re going to go to break. When we come back, we’ll continue the discussion with Ben Williams and Brad Beck. We have all these discussions because of our sponsors, and I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy. For their goal sponsorship of the show, it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate, Ben Williams. That is to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. That’s right. And also another great sponsor of the show is Karen Levine. We’ll talk with her in the next hour, and she can help you with anything residential real estate.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And it is a beautiful day in Colorado. And I think you can still come out and join us for the USMC Memorial Foundation. Their golf tournament, Teresa Irby, our partnership liaison, and myself will be out there for lunch. And so go over to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. If you looked at your calendar and you can make it, it would be a great way to support the USMC Memorial Foundation. And it is so important that we remember and honor those that have given their lives or been willing to give their lives for our liberty. In studio with me is a great sponsor, and that’s Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And great information. I really appreciate that. We all need to be learning these things.
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Yes, we do.
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And my good friend, Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And Liberty Toastmasters, you started this what year?
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2000, when is it? I can’t remember the year.
SPEAKER 14 :
It’s over 10 years ago.
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Oh, at least. Yeah.
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15.
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15 years. And Liberty Toastmasters is a great tool that people should have in their toolbox regarding communication. And the Denver group meets the first and third Saturdays at the Independence Institute. And then the Longmont or North Northern Colorado meets in Longmont, the second and fourth. And we love having guests. And I’ve not been getting any attendance awards lately, but I’ve been out speaking and you’ve I don’t want to embarrass you, but you really helped me get my voice back. I crashed and burned in front of like a thousand people. And I was terrified to get up in front of people.
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I’ve done it as well, and that’s why we practice. It’s like going to the gym and get those muscles. So they’re second nature. I mean, we all talk, and yet people are afraid to stand up in front of other people. And we’re a safe environment where people can experiment, try things, fail on purpose just to try things to get them out there because you don’t want to do it out in the public if you’re trying to do something for your business or an organization you’re part of. So really helping people find their voice, get the skills they need, get the confidence that they need. And one of the things I love about it, last week in Liberty Toastmasters North, we had a speech-a-thon where we just have speeches. We don’t do anything that’s extemporaneous, what we call table topics. And so there was six speakers. And Dave Walden, our friend, decided to jump in and do a seventh speech. So they asked for an evaluator. I said, I’ll do it. And I ended up winning best evaluator that day. And it was fun because it was just on the spot. You had to listen intently. And the beautiful thing about it is I gave Dave some information that he wasn’t aware of. that he can try out his next time he does that speech. And he does it often because he loves talking about money and the value of money and currency in general. So it’s a great opportunity for people to try things and be on the spot, be in the moment. And even Ben said, you know, I give speeches occasionally to schools and so forth about his business and so forth. And it’s important to be able to do that in a public setting.
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Well, and all this will segue together. So yesterday, I had the girls at my house, and there’s a really vibrant Tapas and Topics group up in Boulder. And I’ve not been up there for a while, and I thought the calendar looked like I could make it, so I did. And what an amazing group of women. I just shout out to Jane and what she’s doing with everyone. And there were so many girls there that they had to bring in the lawn furniture so everybody could have a seat. And they do a book review every other month. And the book that they reviewed was The Art of the Deal. And I’ve not read it, but I’m going to read it now. And Julie, who’s an author and was at her house, she is a great leader on this. But she one of the things that they took away from it is that Trump is a real listener. And you can see that. I see that sometimes as people are talking and he’s really listening. And that is such an important skill. And I can find myself sometimes, I’ve gotten to be a better listener, but sometimes I’m really thinking about what they just said and I miss the next thing that they do say. I thought, do I need hearing aids? I think I need focus aids is what I need.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it’s important to listen and respond in the sense of asking a follow-up question, not waiting your turn to talk. And that’s what most of us do. We have an idea and say, oh, we respond to somebody’s, you know, just talking. Ask the question about, well, what do you mean by that or where did you get that information? I’m curious, you know, who told you that? And have a conversation, but follow up and maybe even repeat the question, what I heard you say, because it’s important to have that understanding to move forward rather than just waiting your turn. Now, I say that my wife will catch me when I get home later, but listening is one of those skills that they don’t teach you.
SPEAKER 14 :
and it’s important to practice it and that’s what we do in toastmasters and that evaluation component i in some ways i think that’s more important than the speeches because and i used that when i was on city council and you’ve talked i think you talk about it in here i do the different the sandwich method which is a very effective way to communicate although you said you like the manure method So let’s talk about the essay that we will publish this weekend. And so make sure you’re going to get our newsletter. Sign up for that at KimMunson.com. So it’s titled Wisdom Listens. So where do you want to start?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, there’s an ancient vizier or chief magistrate in ancient Egypt going back, you know, centuries and his name was behotep or tahotep i’ve heard it pronounced both ways and he said something that really struck me that you may be strong be a craftsman in speech for the strength of one is the tongue and the speech of one is mightier than all fighting And so he was probably one of the oldest written pieces of value, of wisdom that we have till this day, written on papyrus. And I started to go down that rabbit hole of, well, what else did he say? And ancient wisdom to me is fascinating because there’s nothing new in the world. You know, you scratch the surface and you keep going and go, wow, you know, these people were smarter than I thought they were. And so he said a series of quotes, and we can talk about each one or I can just list them. But he said, for instance, number one, listening benefits the listener. I thought, boy, that’s brilliant. Only speak when you have something worth saying. I’ve heard that many times. He who listens becomes a master of what is profitable. So in business, you’re listening to your customer and finding out what their needs are. And you provide them value by giving them options and opportunities to say yes or let’s try this option. So that has a profitable component because they become good customers over time. They trust you. To listen is better than anything. Thus is born perfect love. Beautiful idea. Here’s one. Now, you’ve got to think of the terms of the time, the gods. So in ancient Egypt, they had many, many gods. And this quote is a pantheon of gods. They did. God loves him who listens. He hates those who do not listen. Interesting idea. If he who listens listens fully, then he who listens become he who understands. Interesting. Sounds a little bit more like today’s authors who would write something. And then this one’s brilliant. If you are a man of authority, be patient when you are listening to the words of a petitioner. Do not dismay him until he has completely unburdened himself of what he has planned to say to you. Listen first to be understood. And that’s, you know, given credit today to certain gurus, but it was really talked about by St. Francis Assisi many years ago as well. So Pahotep’s maxims have come down over time. There’s many, many others. But these ones were focusing on listening. And as you alluded to earlier, in Toastmasters, we do a lot of listening. And oftentimes, we are waiting our turn so badly to interject, we’re not listening properly. to that petitioner. We’re not listening as an elected official to our constituents. Actively listening, asking follow-up questions. You see this with interviews on the news all the time. They have a list of questions and somebody says something significant and then the interviewer just goes right past it and you go, holy cats, go back and ask a question. But they need to ask their questions because some producer said, hey, here’s what I want to get out of this. We need to be better at communicating that fact of listening really helps us be better communicators overall. So when I say I like the manure method, well, for a new Toastmaster, the sandwich technique is giving some praise, offering one or two ways to improve from our perspective as an audience, and then praise so you want the person to come back. I like it to where people dump on me first, give me all the things I’m not doing right because I can’t see, and then maybe say, hey, I like this or work on that, and then more manure on top of me. And the reason I do it, I think you grow faster. And the evaluator actually benefits the most because you have three minutes. You listen to somebody speak, and then you have no more than three minutes to give them the feedback initially in our Toastmasters arena. Of course, afterwards, you can talk a little more in depth, but that gives you the opportunity to actively listen and to present a little presentation to your peers and especially the person who spoke.
SPEAKER 14 :
So listening is a skill. And you and I travel in a group of people that are movers.
SPEAKER 12 :
Nerdy. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
But going back to Trump and a bit of our discussion yesterday with Trent Luce, Trent is not a fan of Donald Trump. Would you agree that that comes across on that, Ben Williams?
SPEAKER 12 :
I would agree.
SPEAKER 14 :
He was talking about some of the appointees to Trump’s cabinet and some of their past connections. And they are connections, Soros, different – certainly those are big red flags. But I was talking with someone after the show, and she said that – that we got to give Trump a chance. It’s only been 100 days. And she said, we have to be careful as we are messaging on all of this, because there are people, Brad, that are just new to the party. When I say new to the party, I mean what’s going on in America. They’ve been You know, focused on taking care of their families and their jobs, creating their businesses. They’ve realized that something hasn’t been right. And Trump, from what I see, is doing so many positive things to get this ship called America turned back around to the proper role of government. So I think we need to have those discussions that we did, Ben. I tell you, it was a lot of mental work. energy for me to try to listen and respond. But I think we’ve got to have those discussions. We can’t just say we’re not going to have them, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes. And you know what, Kim, I want to share something real quick here. It’s fascinating how we are wired in our DNA. Trump is a developer, a businessman. That’s what he’s all about. If I’m over at somebody’s house, I’m always looking at some project. And when I was in kindergarten, second day of kindergarten, I’m down at the bus stop with the kids from the neighborhood. And I was convinced that the bus was not coming. It was late. I kind of have an inner time clock. And I don’t know if it was off that day or not, but I just knew the bus was late. So I was convincing all these kids that we needed to walk to school across town, which was a mile away.
SPEAKER 14 :
As a kindergartner.
SPEAKER 08 :
As a kindergartner, second day. And I just about had everybody convinced we were getting ready to take off and here comes the bus. That leadership ability is innately in me, but sometimes I don’t make the right decisions. And I’m glad that the general course of our nation is reversing from where it was, but we’re going to have some collateral damage along the way. And then, of course, as Pride and greed comes in, you know, with all the people in his administrations and him. He’s a human. You know, there’s this tendency to maybe not do things just out of pure moral values. And so there’s going to be some of that.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and that’s why I think that, because I thought about it afterwards, what’s our North Star? And North Star is my faith, the vision of the Declaration that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and the Constitution. So let’s take a look at the, and the other thing with my faith is, and I was talking with one of the girls last night, is redemption, right? uh so so as we as as trent is looking at these people he’s he’s making great points about these connections but there’s also this thing of redemption because my gosh brad beck i’ve made some bad decisions in the past and if people only held me to those bad decisions then you can’t grow, you can’t get this country turned around. So he brings in people with great minds, but we the people have to watch, shed light on it, and all of us have to keep us on that North Star. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it reminds me of our friend again, Dave Walden, who often will say, you know, he’s… Often wrong, but never in doubt. And so everybody is fallible. Everybody’s human. And we make decisions based on the facts we have. And oftentimes we’re right. Oftentimes we’re wrong. President Trump listens to people. He always has. I had the opportunity to meet him once in Florida. I was at a convention and just observing him and the people around him. And it started raining and we went into this cabana where there was this bar on one of his properties. And he was just talking to people. This is before he was president and listening to them and interacting with them. And I thought, man, this is different than what I hear in the media. So, you know, there’s the perception and then there’s the reality. and oftentimes the rhetoric versus the reality and we hear a lot of rhetoric but there are facts and things that are are true and the trust that american people have after going through as i call it the wuhan experience is diminished greatly so our trust meter and our bs meter is really high But our trust is really low. And even institutions like the military, like our educators, we just don’t trust people anymore, except when we have a relationship with them over time that’s consistent. You know, I trust Kim Munson. If you tell me something, I’m going to pretty much say, hey, you know, Kim knows because she talks to a lot of people and thinks about things. But if I meet somebody on the street and they tell me something, I’m going to say, I don’t know. You know, like you said, Ben, you got to gut check yourself. So I think people really have to do their homework. It’s incumbent on them to research and to know things and to ask questions and find those trusted experts.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter, and you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. Did want to mention the Center for American Values. The kids are going to be out of school soon. We’re halfway through May. Can’t believe it. And something that should be on your bucket list is get the kids in the car and go to Pueblo to the Center for American Values and just go through the portraits of valor. And Ben Williams, you’ve been down there.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, Kim, I tell you what, that was an amazing experience. I’ve heard you talk about it. And when we went down there, I’m like, wow, this is a hidden gem in Colorado. They have this beautiful river walk. They had some boats that weren’t operating at the time. It looks like you can take a little like Venice. Yes. And the center itself. Oh, my goodness. It is hard to describe, but folks, well, well worth your time and it will impact your kids for life.
SPEAKER 14 :
It will. It will. So that should be on your bucket list. Get more information. Go to AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. And I wasn’t listening. I always say that, oh, text me. And I got so enthralled in everything. There’s a lot coming in here. So, Brad, I’m going to let you talk a little bit more about listening and try to get through some of these things.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, one of the things I love about the Toastmasters experience is you get to hear all kinds of things that normally you wouldn’t even pay attention to. You’d say, I’m not interested in that. But somebody telling a story that makes a point, that connects to the audience through the emotion that they bring, really excites me to hear things that I haven’t heard before in a way from an experience that I might say, wow, I never thought of that. And that just opens you up to all kinds of things. You know, the great Jimi Hendrix, who was a guitarist and one of the most unique individuals that I’ve ever listened to, he said something that really is significant. He said, knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens. And so you can know a lot of stuff. And I know a lot of people that know a lot of stuff, and it’s interesting. But oftentimes there’s always one person in a group that are sitting back just listening to the conversation. And like a Yoda, they come up with these pearls of wisdom. And I’ve met a lot of Yodas in my life, and I’m just blown away by their listening ability and to take all these different components and people speaking and go, there’s a gem. And you just sit there, wait, wait, wait, what did you say? And you’re writing down. And Kurt Gerwitz, who is going to be on in a little bit, he had one of those at a meeting recently that I had at Mindbenders. There’s other folks who will say things, and I’m like, wow. How did you pull that out of all that conversation? So there’s opportunities out there that can start businesses, that start a book, start people having other conversations just by somebody being observant and listening and then coming up with something that is just fascinating. And we all benefit from it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, and I think that in this day and age, it is so important that we listen to other people. I got into a conversation with someone regarding the J6 thing. And I’ve done a lot of research on it. I know people that were there that day. And I hadn’t really listened and realized. And she’s a friend, was just adamant that this was an attack upon the Capitol. And I’m like, no. But I didn’t do a good job listening to her. And so it got a little bit heated between her and I. And I realized that I needed to listen to what she was saying and realize she was probably just hearing only one one side of the story. And I didn’t listen well enough that I then I apologized and I said, hey, I apologize that I didn’t deliver this and I needed to listen more on that. And it’s been a. Liberty Toastmasters has really been a big part of my life in learning how to communicate. People will say to me, Kim, you’re a good communicator or you’re a good listener. I’m thinking, oh, you don’t know. I went through a very angry period. I couldn’t figure out what was going on. And so I would really recommend that people do things to improve their lives. And one of the things is listening. Brad Beck.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, what’s interesting about this is that when you listen more effectively and pause and don’t respond right away, but just think about it, a pause like that. And say, well, tell me more about that. Or I’ve never heard that before. Can you share with me? Because I’m trying to understand. I have my siloed vision or beliefs. And when you affront somebody’s beliefs, oftentimes they get confrontational. So you don’t want to do that if you want to further a conversation. So in the case of your friend with a J6, you may say… That’s interesting. Can you share with me where you got your information? I’d like to see if I can find it. Good point. And then come back and say, have you read anything about that you can share? And oftentimes they can’t. So you say, well, you know, I looked into it a little bit. And here’s something I’ve read you might be interested in that offers a different perspective. Can I share it with you? And then maybe we can have coffee and talk about it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Did you have an interaction? I have a subject that I could bring up, but we don’t have time for that. But did you have an interaction on an airplane recently with someone?
SPEAKER 05 :
I did. I was reading a book, and this gal who’s sitting next to me, who happened to be from Australia, I said, oh, that’s an interesting-looking book, the title, and it escapes me right now. And I said, it is. You should read it. And we were talking back and forth, and the next thing you know, she brought up the ideas of guns. And she said, oh, well, you Americans have all these school shootings. Of course, that’s what she hears in her country all the time. And, of course, in Australia, they took all the guns away. And I pulled out of my bag a constitution with the declaration in it. And I said, you know, here’s something I’d like to give you, and maybe you’ll have a little different understanding of why it’s important to have firearms. It’s not to protect us from wild animals. It’s not to go hunting. History has taught us over time that you have to be prepared to defend yourself, whether it’s from a perpetrator who’s got ill intent or your government. And it’s not to say I want to go out and shoot people. It says, hey, when they start coming for you, you have to make the decision whether or not that force by an entity that is supposedly supposed to protect your rights is usurping them, is taking them away. And that’s why we have the Second Amendment, is to protect the first and your life, your liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
SPEAKER 14 :
And with that, we’re out of time. So I want to say, first of all, thank you to Ben Williams. And you’re going to stay for the next hour.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, ma’am. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Brad Beck, you’re going to stay for the next hour as well.
SPEAKER 05 :
I would love to. This is fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, Liberty Toastmasters. How can people get more information about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Go online, look at toastmasters.org, and then you can link into one of our clubs, Liberty North or Liberty Toastmasters Denver.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we love having guests. And I know that some of our listeners show up.
SPEAKER 05 :
They do, and it’s fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, it’s always fun. And we love guests. And you will learn a lot, and you will learn how to listen. And this whole evaluation component that you mentioned served me very well when I was on city council. So thank you to all that you’re doing. Our quote for the end of the show, I love this quote from George Washington. And he said this. He said, 99% of failures come from people who make excuses. Or we could also say by people that don’t listen.
SPEAKER 1 :
Exactly.
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SPEAKER 15 :
Very good information. I like the listening. That was very good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah. You’re listening a lot. That’s something that you do as you’re running the board. As I’m thinking about it, when things go well, when talk shows on and everything goes well, the producer, all the different little things that go well, it happens because you’re listening. And you can take cues from me as well. You’ve gotten to the point where sometimes you can read my mind. That’s an interesting place to be.
SPEAKER 15 :
It’s a very interesting place to be. And a really unique piece of this job is having to listen to multiple things at once. Not only am I listening to you and your cues and stuff, but I’m also listening to whatever sounds, how other people are talking and trying to make sure that their volumes are not overpowering your volumes. And it gets kind of neat.
SPEAKER 14 :
well it’s important listening and we’re we’re referencing this because brad beck has in studio and we’ll be rolling out this essay that you’ve written regarding wisdom listens and really great gems of just great gems of gold in there i would say well thank you kim and uh it’s always good to listen to other guests and people who uh call in or text in and hear what’s on their mind as well yeah And I just want to mention a couple of things. So Richard, the limo guy, he did respond here. And he says, Kim, look, loquacious. Now you’re in my wheelhouse because Brad used that in the first hour because what you were saying.
SPEAKER 05 :
My report card when I was in, I think, kindergarten, first grade, said Bradley is loquacious. And I wonder why. I like being on radio. Of course, I have a face for radio, so that’s why.
SPEAKER 14 :
And then, Ben Williams, you had a kindergarten story as well. So I guess it’s the… Wasn’t there a book out that said everything I learned about life I learned in kindergarten?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, great book.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, definitely. And Ben Williams, a new sponsor of the show with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And we had a listener. Well, let’s just go ahead and get right to it. It says, I wrote down this fellow’s name and number because he seems honest. He is so right about checking things out. I am by myself a woman when I’ve had to – have a tree be cut down I had five or six quotes that went from six thousand to one thousand she said I chose the one thousand because the guy done work in the neighborhood and he did the the tree he said um he didn’t think that he the quote was high enough but he was very very honest after he did the work and she said honesty is a huge thing for me I totally agree and the the cheapest price is not always the cheapest price i have learned that i i it’s important to work with honest people fair price that you want to make sure that brad you and i talk about it all the time value for value and um and so the cheapest price may not be the you know the the cheapest price it’s important to work with people that you trust so ben williams again what’s that uh phone number for you
SPEAKER 08 :
Phone number is 303-995-1636. And Kim, if I can just mention something real quick. My son and I work together. We don’t have a website because we’re not trying to put out all this stuff. But really what it comes down to is integrity. If you don’t have integrity, you don’t have anything. We refer on people’s word of mouth referrals. And I know some people are probably saying, well, what are you doing on the show here plugging your business? Kim, as you know, we support you regardless whether we get any recognition or not because we believe in the values that you are promoting. And so thank you for what you’re doing. But as far as our business goes, yes, we stand on a reputation. That’s all we have. And so we want to treat people right. We want to honor God in what we do. And, you know, one of the themes that my son and I talk about a lot, this life will soon be passed. Only what’s done for Christ will last. And we want to be craftsmen for Christ.
SPEAKER 14 :
I love that. So what’s that phone number again?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay, great.
SPEAKER 14 :
And our featured guest, let me get over to our featured guest in this hour is Kurt Gerwitz. Professor Kurt Gerwitz, it’s great to have you here.
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s great to be here. I’m in this pantheon of a room right now. Yes, you are.
SPEAKER 14 :
That is our word of the day is pantheon. And it’s spelled P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. And it could be in Rome. And I’ve seen it. A circular temple. It could be a temple dedicated to all gods. It could be a group of persons most highly regarded for contributions to their field. Or it could be a bunch of ideas. Or it is a pantheon of people here as well. And we’re going to talk about AI. And one of the things you keep mentioning is we often need to talk about legacy. Yes. And I don’t know if we’ll get to that, but that would be great if we could.
SPEAKER 17 :
You know, and I have this weird, if we can get to it, if we can get to that third beat, which we never can, there’s a weird intersection between legacy and AI. I love to talk about AI, love to research it. It’s a hobby of mine. And I’m a professional public speaker on the subject of legacy. And Brad was mentioning, you know, I gave a presentation to his group the other day and did some really good listening, collected a lot of great wisdom by asking a group of wise old men for their, I should say wise young men.
SPEAKER 05 :
I was going to say, whoa, baby.
SPEAKER 17 :
For all their wisdom. But there’s a weird intersection that if we can get to it, we’ll get to it.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, let’s keep that as a cliffhanger. Let’s try to make that happen. So, yes, our word of the day is Pantheon. Again, P-A-N-T-H-E-O-N. Our quote of the day is from George Washington, a letter to Edmund Randolph in 1795. regarding truth. He said, there is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and to pursue it steadily. And we’ve got someone on the line who I kind of embarrassed her last week because I’d shared something regarding one of our listeners, and she had helped his son and daughter-in-law, and just a really beautiful woman a testament to both karen levine and lauren levy on just the the the integrity that they have in their business karen levine welcome to the show good morning kim and uh i saw you last night it was a pretty robust conversation at my house last night huh a lot to talk about uh definitely and uh and good questions and the questions are how one of your questions was how do we communicate with people that may be only you know looking at these things that are happening in our country through just kind of a singular lens i’m not sure we got the answer on that though totally karen no but it was you know we started the conversation and i think um
SPEAKER 02 :
I’m seeing in the real estate industry uncertainty, and uncertainty is being brought to the forefront because of the stock market being a bit unstable, interest rates hovering around that 7% rate, thinking that if our economy is doing better, interest rates should be improving. And then, of course, the impact of President Trump’s tariff policies and i have i have friends and i have friends of friends that have acquaintances and friends and business partners overseas and they’re very concerned about their futures and i find it interesting that they’re willing maybe to sacrifice their future here in america for those over there and i’m like can’t there be a balance So I don’t know.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think this was what I went up to the Boulder Topics and Topics yesterday. And a couple of things. A woman said that she was in Portugal. I think it was Portugal. And they got into a cab. And this was before the election. And the cab driver said, oh, you’re American. She said, you have to vote for Donald Trump. We need Donald Trump. And so please vote for Donald Trump. And then another person said that they… They had friends, it wasn’t you, was it, regarding olive oil and wine? Okay, so tell us about that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and I think the concern is that many of us who have traveled to Greece and to Italy, to Sicily, have businesses that we’re supporting that produce olive oil and wine. And the gal that puts together our traveling culinary tours, is concerned about their financial well-being and how much these tariffs will affect their bottom lines. And I think some of the conversation last night was we have helped them be profitable at the expense of our profitability and our financial stability, ours being Americans. And they’re not seeing that from the homeland perspective. They’re very concerned about their friends, which I think is admirable. But what if it improves things here? You can then go spend more money over there.
SPEAKER 14 :
Good point. There’s those intangibles on all that. Yes. And so, yes, we’re in a time, and we have to get through this. I know it’s going to be rocky, but we were headed over a cliff yesterday. And if we go over a cliff, it’s going to be real rocky, and people need to realize that. But moving over to the residential real estate market, there is always opportunity. And sometimes the greatest opportunities comes at the time where things seem a little off. And so I think there’s great opportunity in the residential real estate market.
SPEAKER 02 :
And that would be a very true statement. When there is uncertainty, for those who are willing to take that little bit of risk, and step out and make a home purchase, in today’s market there are sellers who are very motivated and they’re willing to negotiate further on their pricing or their concessions than they would be if interest rates were closer to six and you were competing for a house against another half a dozen people. So you take a little risk now. You get into the real estate market and you become a homeowner or you upgrade or you downsize. And you can take advantage of that opportunity today. And over the last, well, our last conversation, several buyers have taken that opportunity over the last 10 days. And I think that that will help them to start building their generational wealth. And they will have a house. They will have shelter and stability. And it’s exciting for them.
SPEAKER 14 :
So you have helped a lot of people with buying a home, selling a home, or a new build. What’s the best way for people to reach you?
SPEAKER 02 :
The best way to reach me is to dial 303-877-7516. Give me a call or shoot me a text, and let’s start a conversation about your real estate dream.
SPEAKER 14 :
And again, that’s Karen Levine, 303-877-7516. Karen, I think you and Lauren are going to be in on Monday, right?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes, so we’ll have a great conversation then.
SPEAKER 14 :
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to the Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. And you can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. The text line I want to hear from you is 720-605-0647. I wanted to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant energy that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate. And in studio with us is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, which you help people take care of their own personal climate, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
That is correct.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And what’s that phone number?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay, great.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And how can people get information about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
They can call you. Yeah. No, they can go online and look up at Toastmasters.org, and both clubs are there, or any club that is in your local area. But we theme our club meetings so they’re a little different, a lot of fun. And I’d give my phone number, but, you know, I don’t know if anybody wants to talk to me.
SPEAKER 14 :
I think everybody wants to talk. You’ve helped a lot of people get their voices. One of the things that happens, though, is people decide they want to run for office. And tell us just a little story about that.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s amazing. People spend so much time and energy and money on their campaign signs and all the peripheral stuff. And then they’ll call me the day before they’re going to announce that they’re running for office and say, hey, can you help me? It’s like, good luck. Because you really need the practice. And it’s not about the color of your sign if you’re running for office. Knowing what you’re going to say and being able to articulate it in a sound bite in three minutes and five minutes and an hour. And more importantly… Answering questions, that feedback component, which is really important. We do that in Toastmasters.
SPEAKER 14 :
Is the listening component for sure. That’s why people really should have Liberty Toastmasters being a member as a tool in their toolbox. Not only if you’re going to run for office, but it can help in communications, just everyday life, business. And again, we’d love to have visitors. And just go to Toastmasters International and put in Liberty Toastmasters.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, Toastmasters.org. You know, you come be a member. It’s very affordable to be a Toastmasters member. I work for a fee. Instead of free, I took out the R. My wife is teaching me to use that word fee. But Toastmasters, it’s very affordable and we have a lot of fun.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay, great. Professor Kurt Gerwitz, great to have you here. And we want to talk a little bit about AI. And you’re doing public speaking, yes? Yes.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, professional public speaker. I’m the legacy catalyst speaker. Best way to find me is just to Google my name.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that is Kurt, K-U-R-T, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yes, and Gurwitz. You know, really, just do your best. The machines have gotten smart enough. That’s our topic for today. The machines have gotten smart enough. If you misspell my last name. You’ll probably still find me, but it’s G-E-R like Germany and then WITS.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Kurt Gerwitz. We’re going to talk about AI. During the break, Ben Williams, you had a good question, and Kurt said, hey, ask me that on the air.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, Professor Kurt, I feel like I’m really pushing the envelope of technology when I send an email or a text. Welcome to 2005. So when you were talking about AI, you know what? I understand there’s got to be some benefits, but I just have a hard time even entering that pantheon of new ideas. And how would somebody, you know, if they’re a little bit out of touch with some of the newest stuff, how do you kind of… get into using AI?
SPEAKER 17 :
It’s a great question. First of all, it’s coming at you whether you like it or not. You know, there’s a I don’t want to be too technical, but there’s a bell curve, right? There’s a natural distribution of the people who are early adopters. There’s a very few early adopters and then There’s a large group of like, oh, it’s new, and now I’m curious where you’re at perhaps right now. And then there’s the people who are like, okay, well, I’m forced to do this. Everybody is making me do this. And then there’s that – you have one of these in your life, the Luddite who says, I would really rather not have a smartphone. Could we stop the texting? My mom refuses to text, so there’s – There’s people on the deep end of that. So wherever you are is a good place to be. I’ll say that. But you’re not going to be able to avoid this. You’re going to – like Microsoft, you’re touching – when I open up Excel, I use Excel every day. And I open up Excel and now it’s like the old Clippy that used to show up and he’d say, it looks like you’re writing a letter. And you could – the joke in tech circles was you couldn’t get rid of Clippy. There was no way to actually like – Make Clippy stop. And so it’s persistent. Well, they’re going to do it again. This time Clippy is coming back. I don’t know if it’s actually going to be Clippy, but there’s some version of you’re going to be forced. Now, what’s Clippy? Clippy was when you opened up Microsoft Word and you started to type a little… paperclip cartoon character would appear on your screen and would say, it looks like you’re, and then they would try to be helpful, and it was a little annoying, and it’s also kind of cute, and it was like early, this was 1997, not 2005, so early stages of computing. Dial-up. Yeah, I had a friend who could make that noise. I’m going to learn how to make that.
SPEAKER 12 :
Well done.
SPEAKER 17 :
Not bad for my first try. So to answer your great question. First of all, it’s coming at you. You’re not going to be able to avoid it, I think, actually. So all I can do is tell you to kind of open your mind to it. We talked about listening today, and I thought, you know, that there’s a downside to listening or there’s false listening. And good listening lets you change your heart or change your mind. And so I want you to just kind of approach it open-minded, and I’ll say some things that maybe can motivate you a little bit. But I’ve got an even better answer to your question. You just go to ChatGPT.com, or I’m not even sure that’s the website. You just type in ChatGPT into Google, and the company that runs ChatGPT is called OpenAI. And OpenAI, you just click on ChatGPT. They’re going to force you to log in. And I usually just log in with Google on these things. And Google’s another one. Here’s where it’s going to show up in your life. You’re going to go to Google. And very soon, you’re going to go to Google. And instead of having to get a list of 10 bad websites that are trying to answer your question, it just has a summary that answers your question for you. And that’s… You’re using AI in that instance. That’s a chat bot.
SPEAKER 14 :
But I like the idea of a lot of different sources. And we had something that happened with Producer Joe and Producer Luke on Tuesday. And that was we’re doing this book review of The Prince. And so the guys were looking at their phones. And the first sentence, what Luke had on his phone, left out the words, at liberty. which I thought were pretty important words, and then changed the word regarding the state to oligarchy. And so I had the written copy, and they had the online version, and it was a big aha. And then again, Richard had said, something came in, said, this is what could happen with AI. You’re going to start to see this movement to… just one idea, I guess, if you will, and changing words. Our kids not knowing how to read cursive means that our founding documents, they might not know how to read those. And if you only are doing things on the computer, those things can be changed. And so that’s why I’m concerned about it. Also, Gammy said just these AI data centers are going to take a lot of water and a lot of energy. And I’m concerned about that. And then again, I was talking with a friend yesterday, said, well, AI, our data centers, well, what data are they collecting? It’s data on us. And so we should be concerned about that, Kurt Gerwitz.
SPEAKER 17 :
That was another thought I had while we were going through the talking about listening. It’s listening. yeah right like you know in the early days of computing we would say and this is still true with all data garbage in garbage out you know this if you have a child and you raise them with terrible ideas they’re going to be an adult with terrible ideas and so garbage in garbage out is a real problem and the the chat bots that we’re talking about is one form of ai there’s a lot of different forms of ai there’s some really exciting things happening um in ai like There’s going to be medical breakthroughs that AI is able to do things that humans cannot. Just like a calculator is so much faster at doing math, AI is faster at processing information. And I actually think – here’s my bold statement for today. In the very near future, it’s going to be medical malpractice for your doctor to not have consulted AI. But that’s not necessarily – that’s going to be a completely specialized machine that’s different than the chatbots that we’re talking about. But, yeah, they are trained on the internet. This is a real problem for intellectual property right now because you can go – my wife actually just did a fun thing. She went to ChatGPT and said, give me lyrics for a song about – and then she did one for our pet bunny rabbit who’s a celebrity in our world. And then she did one for my nephew, my godson. And she said, write me a song about that person or that pet. And it prompts you. It asks you a few keywords. Then she takes the lyrics and put it in. I think it’s called, it might be Sora, S-O-R-R-A. And it came out with a song like that. Like in less than five minutes, you’ve got a quality song that’s individualized to you. It’s good quality. It’s fun. For this, it’s just entertainment, but it’s where did the training data for that robot come from? It’s all the world’s music that it can find on the internet. They send out spiders. They crawl the internet. It’s reading the internet. It’s reading Reddit. It’s reading the – when I used to describe ChatGPT, I would say it’s like – and this is – it’s better now. It used to be just having a conversation with a smart enough entity that has read all of Wikipedia. It’s like being able to have a conversation with Wikipedia. Yeah.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. I have some other questions for you, Kurt Gerwitz. Bring it on. I love it. Okay. And again, if you have questions or comments, 720-605-0647. That’s 720-605-0647. And we get to do all this because of our sponsors. And very pleased that the Second Syndicate has joined us.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice, and we search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. It is Thursday the 15th, which that means that it is the USMC Memorial Foundation’s golf tournament. And I’m going to be out there for lunch. And I think you can still get a ticket and join us. And I think you can do that for sure by going. I say that because I didn’t check. I think that you can still buy that lunch ticket on the website at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. But if you can’t, I’m sure there’s enough food. Come on out to the Ridge in Castle Pines, and we’d love to have you join us. And again, support the USMC Memorial Foundation. In studio with me is a great sponsor of the show, and that is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. And what’s that phone number?
SPEAKER 08 :
303-995-1636. Okay.
SPEAKER 14 :
Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. And I love to have guests. And the first and third Saturdays of each month at the Independence Institute. And then the second and fourth in Longmont, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Correct. And there’s a meeting this Saturday down in Denver.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And also we will be rolling out your essay, Wisdom Listens. And so make sure you’re signed up for the newsletter that goes out on Sundays. You can do that at kimmunson.com. Kurt Gerwitz, Professor Gerwitz, again, you’re speaking as a profession.
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, just kurtgerwitz.com or find me on LinkedIn. Just search for Kurt Gerwitz. You’ll find me.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And we’re talking about AI. And you said you will be able to, for example, your wife was able to put something in and a song was written. What about the creativity of human beings? Are we going to start to get lazy? And then I’ve heard, your professor, I’ve heard now that some professors are going back to having their students write their reports in front of them so that they know that they’re learning something, that it’s not just putting something in and asking AI to do it. So what would you say about that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I mean, I got a lot of thought. We got a couple threads here. I mean, a listener chimed in about the data center, the problem with the data centers, and that’s real. I do want to talk about that. But I’m going to jump on when you mentioned lazy. We’ve seen the decline of math skills. Remember when we were kids and our teachers, they probably didn’t know they were lying to us, but they said… It’s not like a calculator is always going to be within reach, right? And that was the argument for why we had to memorize our multiplication tables, which a lot of students are not memorizing their multiplication tables. And it does bother me and concern me for sure. Well, there are calculators within reach at all times. And then the study I saw that scared me, and this was more than 10 years ago, was that when people use Google, There was a vocabulary called an enhanced conversation. I’m trying to do one right now. An enhanced conversation is where you and I, we no longer – our parents or us in the past, we used to have like an argument about whether something was a fact or not. And now we don’t. If you and I have a dispute about a fact, not an opinion or an idea, but a fact, we just go to the Google and we ask it. And it gives us some answer that is sufficient enough for the conversation. It’s an enhanced conversation. It’s like, oh, we’re talking about this. Let’s pull up. Joe Rogan made $500 million as a podcaster. He’s almost as good as you are, Kim. But he has his guy named Jamie, and he’s just like, let’s pull that up. And so information is at our fingertips. And the study showed that even though our conversations are actually better because there’s more fact – they’re more fact-based instead of just having to believe Aunt Agnes who’s lying – Now we can bring receipts.
SPEAKER 14 :
How does that go when you say, hey, Aunt Agnes, you’re lying. How does that go?
SPEAKER 17 :
I call mine Gladys. I actually have a program on my phone. I say, hey, Siri, let me talk to Gladys, and it brings up ChatGPT. So I’m asking one robot to bring up the other one. But it actually, what we did find, the studies showed that we actually retain less. So our memorization goes down. So our retention of ideas goes down. But it’s our processing, it’s our analytical thinking can still be, it’s in stronger and enhanced. So there’s actually, there’s a terrible trade-off happening here. And you’re absolutely right about the dangers of AI is that we are going to lose a lot of facilities around critical thinking or, and you had said something about like someone said something and whether, you know, we want to be good listeners. That’s our theme for today. But boy, you also want to be critical listeners. Mm-hmm. And and there is a concern about what does what does.
SPEAKER 14 :
Well, let’s think about COVID. OK, so so you go and you ask this. Yeah. But but you had those that were shutting down voices, those that were shutting down, getting other opinions. And Google and Microsoft was some among those. So. What do we do about that? Because if all they’re putting in, if we get to a point where, oh yeah, we get a lot of information, I can even see that sometimes that I’ll search for something and I know that there’s a different opinion and I can’t find it. Brad, what’s your thoughts about this?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I always push back, but I use different AI search engines. So I use Perplexity. I use Grok just because of that, to get a different perspective on where they’re pulling information. And the one I use more consistently is Perplexity because it cites its sources. And I appreciate that and click on the little numbers that when they state something and then find the source and then go down that rabbit hole and say, oh, who wrote this? Where are they pulling it from? So it’s no different than any other query in a search engine, Google or DuckDuckGo or whatever you use. You have to be critical and then ask the second question and then the third question. And keep inquiring. And I mentioned to Kirk that there’s a book that recently, almost I’m done, called Brave New World by Solomon Kahn. Brave New Words. I’m sorry, Brave New Words. He was the creator of the Kahn Academy. And they’re talking about education and AI. And they were one of the first to integrate AI as a tutor. And it’s fascinating what they’ve been able to accomplish. And they don’t give the answers to the student. They have the conversation with the student so they can record what the work is. And then the instructor can say, ah, so-and-so is actually doing the work as opposed to downloading something, a paper that they got from a variety of sources and turning that in. There’s a way to use it. And even parents have a conversation with through AI to get better at inquiry and instructors as well. So it’s a fascinating opportunity. We’re using it today, as Kirk will attest to, and we don’t even know it. If you’re using Grammarly and your Word documents or pretty much any aspect of our lives, it’s embedded in things. And I think we need to be on the edge of that technology because it’s going to be leaving us behind, as Kirk mentioned.
SPEAKER 17 :
So as a teacher in college, we have this real question. I’m not going to call it a problem because every time there’s a problem, there’s also an opportunity. And there is a problem. It’s a question of the students are turning in. work that the ai did if you if you just go to chat gbt and say give me a 500 word essay on insert any subject there it will impress you if if you’re not if you haven’t done that go do it and and just embrace the fear know that you’re okay we’re gonna be okay we’re gonna live through this um because it will it’s it the answer is it’s it’s creepy it feels scary well as a teacher You’re grading these things. And so teachers now have tools. They came from these companies that gave us the textbooks, that gave us the learning management system software that we already have. And they’re like, hey, you can use AI. Just submit your student’s work, and you can use AI to grade it. And so now what we have is we have students turning in AI, teachers grading with AI. And it is a reality in education today.
SPEAKER 14 :
But then everybody’s getting lazy. Yeah. And mentally, they’re not doing the work. And so what happens? Are we going to just be a bunch of dumb people?
SPEAKER 17 :
That’s a great question. I mean, I think you’re asking a better question than you realize.
SPEAKER 14 :
Oh, okay. Well, good. So what’s the answer?
SPEAKER 17 :
The answer is, like, people are always going to choose. You know, Brad reads a ton. I know. I look at YouTube videos a ton. Well, Brad and I, what we have in common is curiosity. And you find the people who don’t have the curiosity, and the scary part is they vote. And, yeah, like, there’s a real risk of people becoming dumber. But the truth is is that in IQ tests through time, over more than 100 years, we’ve been taking IQ tests in America. They’ve gone up. The concept of a of a percentage like that one one hundredth of a thing is pretty that like we could all just talk about that but 50 years ago 100 years ago it wasn’t common that people did that you know there’s always been a fear of the the new next thing we pull a lot of humans off of farms if you look at what people did for a living for centuries millennia it’s they created food like uh like like your friend Trent Luce does.
SPEAKER 14 :
And but now remember, I’m a farm girl.
SPEAKER 17 :
Am I lazy because I drive a car? Yeah, I didn’t walk here. I didn’t even ride my bike like I should. But I yeah, like so there’s always going to be a choice. We’re going to we’re still going to choose to do hard things because it’s fun to for you. It’s there’s a reward at the end of it. And there’s always going to be a competition of human capability. Actually, there’s a risk to that, too, because the risk of AI is that when we get to what is called general, when we throw the word general into AI, you get AGI, artificial general intelligence. That’s when we’ve got a machine that can do basically what an average human can do cognitively, but just better. Then we’re in trouble.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. So I’ve got some things, of course, I need to ask you about. So we’ll continue this discussion. In studio is Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. Brad Beck, co-founder of Liberty Toastmasters. Professor Kurt Gerwitz. And these are important discussions. They happen because of our sponsors. If you’ve been injured, reach out to John Bozen at Bozen Law.
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SPEAKER 14 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Munson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMunson.com as well. Thank you to all of you who support us. We’re an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And the nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values located down in Pueblo. And they do several things. They have their Portraits of Valor honoring our Medal of Honor recipients. They’re going to have an On Values presentation May 28th in honor of Memorial Day. And then they have some great educational programs for kids K through 12. And Ben Williams with Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, you made it down to the center.
SPEAKER 08 :
It was fantastic. And yeah, if you guys haven’t been down there, definitely make it a priority to get down there.
SPEAKER 14 :
And May 28th would be a great day because there’s going to be a great presentation. So that website is AmericanValueCenter.org, AmericanValueCenter.org. And Brad Beck, I don’t think you’ve been down there yet. Although I was saying during one of the breaks, as Kurt said, you read. And then last time you were in, you said that you hand water your grass as we’re getting ready for spring and that you had the greenest grass on the block. I’m thinking, how How does he have time for that? And then you’re everywhere. How is that? Are you a clone? Are you an AI here?
SPEAKER 05 :
I am an AI. Actually, I love the term AI and I’ve done several speeches and I use the term AI to track people, but I talk about actual intelligence, American individualism, American ideas. So AI is an interesting combination of taking all the information out there. It’s how you use it and don’t be afraid of it because it’s going to help our lives. There’s always that nefarious aspect of it, any new technology, but I think people who really invest some time and look at it will be fascinated about how quick you can get information, knowledge, to use as wisdom eventually.
SPEAKER 14 :
So Kurt, Professor Kurt, you made the statement that our IQs have gone up. I don’t know if I believe that or not, but my grandmother, and again, I come from a long line of farmers, and she was a pretty amazing woman, 24 grandchildren in the family. And she It used to be that women would be judged on what kind of housekeeper they are. She kept a pretty spotless house as well. But her eighth grade education, I would encourage everybody to go and search for eighth grade final exam from 1895 from Saline County, Kansas. And so these are all the questions. But so grammar, I’ll just give you the first thing that they had to do. There are seven things that they had to do and they had an hour to do it. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters. Can we do that?
SPEAKER 17 :
I’m out. I could probably get to like seven.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. Next thing, arithmetic. Name and define the fundamental rules of arithmetic. Okay. Okay. U.S. history. Give the epics into which U.S. history is divided. These are just the first questions. You had 45 minutes for all those. I don’t even know what this is, I don’t think. Orthography. You probably know, Kurt. But it says, what is meant by the following? Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, entomology, and syllabication. They knew this. They didn’t have a computer. Geography. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend? That’s eighth grade. And so when people used to have an eighth-grade education, these are the people then that they could do stuff. And in World War II, they said that the American soldier could do almost anything. And these were people coming off the farms and the ranches.
SPEAKER 17 :
I think we’re missing something there. Okay. I like this narrative. I don’t want to challenge it too much. But I want to say there’s probably a gap of, like, There’s knowledge that our eighth graders have today, and some of that is like how to type or how to use a computer or how to look something up on Google. I’m going to come up with something that hopefully is reasonable to say here. But it’s like there’s a new skill set. During the break, we were talking about cavemen used their full brains and had to think through problems every day. They just had different problems than what we have today. They knew which plants they could eat. They knew the vibrations of the ground.
SPEAKER 14 :
And they’ve probably figured that out from observation. They saw their buddy ate something and didn’t survive. So they’re like, I’m not going to eat that, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, yeah. I mean, at both the micro level you just described and also at a cultural level. See, what… What we don’t want to lose sight of here is that we all, no matter, as smart as we are, this civilization and the people in this room, some of the smartest people on planet Earth that have ever lived, true story. And we have, like, we have at our fingertips, we have the human body of knowledge. And now with AI, we have somebody who can make it make sense to us and give it to us.
SPEAKER 14 :
But who’s making that decision? That’s the thing that I’m concerned about.
SPEAKER 17 :
You should be. And Brad mentioned that there’s lots of different companies doing this. So Google got in a lot of trouble because there’s one of the – it’s not a chat bot, but it’s a text-to-image generator in AI. You type in words, and it gives you an image. And again, there’s some real intellectual property questions about that. But when you would go to Google and you type in founding fathers of the United States, it was a little too woke, and they would show you African-Americans, and they would show you – Native Americans. And they, and that room was not filled. It was white men from mostly from England probably. And, and so Google took a lot of heat for that. Well, Elon Musk is against that. And so he created, and Brad mentioned Grok. And so it’s, it’s the Twitter equivalent, Twitter’s chasing an AI as is Tesla to self-drive the cars. But the Grok is designed to give you a the truth above political correctness. And so they’re competing.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that’s what we want is competition, right?
SPEAKER 17 :
Yeah, and you do want that, and that brings with it the downside. There’s complexity. So Brad had mentioned perplexity. That was one of my favorite AIs for a while, and one of the bigger AIs is going to eat their lunch when they just start doing what perplexity does, is it gives you the source. It tells you where on the internet it got the information from. We do have a real problem in AI. We’ve got a couple problems. One is there is actual hallucinations. The way it’s doing the… calculation is it’s it’s really just sophisticated auto complete they’re guessing at what the next the machine is guessing at what the next word is and it’s surprisingly accurate and scary and it’s past the turning it can pass for humans and um but it’s so there’s a question of like if you ask it i asked it when it first came out i said the spanish word el dia is it masculine feminine word the correct answer is it’s a masculine word it’s el dia, the day in Spanish, but it ends in a, so it kind of breaks one of the grammar rules. And the AI told me three times in a row that it feminine word. So it’s just wrong. And it comes out confident. So it really is a threat. There’s a classic story of a guy, a lawyer who lost his license. He lost his career because he went before a judge and had a case law that had come from AI that was fabricated. We call it hallucination. And what his problem was is that when the judge questioned it, he doubled down and was like, no, he just went in pounding his fist with confidence and said no this is true case law and then when they found out that it’s not and where he got it from then he lost his law license so there’s there’s a whole new world of so like for our eighth graders to be able to navigate you know to in eighth grade your i would suppose that your grandma if she was told something by her teacher she believed it And now we want our students, and you will agree with me on this, that our eighth grade teachers, maybe if they have an opinion about American history, maybe you want that kid asking their parents. Also, you want them challenging the narratives that are being put out there.
SPEAKER 14 :
This is super interesting, Kurt Gerwitz, and I appreciate that. And next time we’re going to talk about legacy. That is one of the things that you wanted to talk about, so we’ll do that next time. So as always, you’re a great sport on all this. I greatly appreciate it.
SPEAKER 17 :
I look forward to having you on my podcast, and we’ll go for three hours on this.
SPEAKER 14 :
We’ll do the whole Joe Rogan thing, that’s for sure. Again, how can people get more information about your speaking and all that?
SPEAKER 17 :
Just do your best to spell my name and put it into the, I guess it’s AI now. Everything’s AI now. I would say put it into the Google. Find me on LinkedIn is one of the best ways. Kurt Gerwitz or it’s kurtgerwitz.com. My email is kurt at gerwitz.com.
SPEAKER 14 :
And we’ll do this again next month.
SPEAKER 17 :
Sounds good.
SPEAKER 14 :
Absolutely. And Ben Williams, great to have you here. Great to have you as a new sponsor of the show. And I think you kind of like this. Are you enjoying this?
SPEAKER 08 :
Oh, this is great. I am learning so much. Yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
And that’s what we’re trying to do on the show is to help people start to think about different things. And, again, you guys get a lot. It’s primarily referral business. We really appreciate having you as a sponsor. And for Kim Munson Show listeners, you’d love to hear from them.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes, and I’m old-fashioned. I still use the phone, 303-995-1636, call or text.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and text is probably best.
SPEAKER 08 :
That’s much easier if my hands are busy doing something, yes.
SPEAKER 14 :
Yeah, and Brad Beck, Liberty Toastmasters, and we’ll be rolling out your piece, Wisdom Listens. Your final thought on all this?
SPEAKER 05 :
This is great. I love the interaction, and as Jimi Hendrix said, knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.
SPEAKER 14 :
And Liberty Toastmasters, we love guests.
SPEAKER 05 :
We do, and you can go to liberty.toastmasters.org and find both clubs.
SPEAKER 14 :
Okay. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to George Washington, and he said this. He said, “…99% of failures come from people who make excuses.” So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. And we’re getting very close to… Memorial Day. And something that you should do is make sure you check out the Center for American Values. That is AmericanValuesCenter.org. And they will be having something for Memorial Day on the 28th. And then also the USMC Memorial Foundation will be having something to honor our veterans, excuse me, for Memorial Day. It’s for those that have given their lives for us. And you can get more information on that by going to USMCMemorialFoundation.org. And we will talk to you tomorrow.
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Talking about freedom.
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